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Red Pill Theory“The Red Piller’s Guide to Online Dating” (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior ContributorOmLaLa

TL;DR- This is a concise and heavily updated guide on how to approach dating sites. Most of this guide has been altered based upon which strategies worked the most frequently and consistently from beginning to end.




“The Red Piller’s Guide to Online Dating”




Almost all of the women I’ve slept with/plated in the past several months I’ve met on dating sites.

I’m going to explain how.

For the previous version of this guide, please see “The Comprehensive RP Guide to Dating Sites”. If you've read the previous version, I'd highly recommend you read this one as most of its content has changed.

Note: Several Addendums have been added since this article's original posting.


Key Notes


  • Don't start until you're ready. A strong frame, attractive figure and abundance mentality are REQUIRED prior to attempting this guide. If you don't have these 3 qualities yet or you feel that they could use improvement, handle that first. A lot of how you'll be judged as an alpha from here on will be based solely on perception and not necessarily the reality of your situation. Because of this, these qualities need to become second nature and aspects of yourself you don't have to think about. You need to know your frame is strong, know you're attractive and know you could move on if you had to.

  • All women on dating sites are not innately serious about meeting you in-person. Women use dating sites purely for validation. It is your goal to pull them from this mindset and into your frame. Once this has occurred, the rest becomes easy.

  • Understand you opponent. Always think from the LSSW's (Local Sexy Single Woman's) perspective: they receive up to 50 messages a day, don't respond to most of them, but something about your profile picture and bios caught her attention. Find out what that something is and exploit it. Also, if you're noticing a point in the guide where a lot of LSSWs are dropping off, find out why and repair it.

  • Understand your SMV. The hotter she is the higher her SMV range will be. You may be considered an 8 amongst the women you frequently see, but remember that if these women are less attractive compared to the LSSW you’re pursuing, then that 8 will drop comparatively. For example, what I find hot and attainable is completely different compared to Brad Pitt.

  • Understand your competition. Even if you’re in the top 20% in your area, there are always hotter guys out there. Thanks to the globalization of the internet, women can see and judge any guy within a 100-mile radius. She is always weighing her options. Should one of these more-attractive guys reciprocate her interest, it’s likely she’ll suddenly drop off the face of the earth. Most times she’s only picking you over the hotter guy because of limitations like range. Never over-invest, never forget hypergamy. Don’t take it personally. Move on.

  • Learn from your opponent. A lot of the successes from the strategies in this guide were inspired by how hot women reply to men they’re not attracted to. You will be using their strategy against them. The key to understanding this guide is understanding the importance of fleeting investment and why overinvestment is often the silent killer to most of your attempts.

  • Be attractive. Again, this is very important. This is a late-game strategy and can ONLY be implemented successfully if your body is in the right place. Physique is the main driving point of this strategy; most women I’ve encountered don’t even read my bio or even open my profile (you get notified when they do). They’ll look at my profile picture and decide from there.

  • Insecurity shows. If you go into any encounter thinking, “this woman’s waay out of my league, I hope I don’t mess this up”, you’re going to mess it up. It’s best to picture the woman you’re messaging as fat or unattractive to keep your mind planted in a position of higher SMV.

  • Less is more. Though we’ll cover this more in the actual guide, the less you say in both messages and texts, the less you initiate as opposed to her, the more likely you are to succeed.

  • Don’t creep. Most dating sites will inform you when you have a visitor. Don’t be that guy that visits her profile every hour. She will notice and it will put her off.

  • Approach dating sites like baking. You don’t begin baking a cake without all the necessary ingredients, you don't bake as soon as your starving and you don’t only bake one cake in case something goes wrong. Approach multiple women at once, only approach women you’d be excited to fuck and be ready to let them “bake” for at least a few hours to days. Abundance mentality is a prerequisite to success.

  • Be ready to drop out at any time. This is very important. I don’t care how hot she was. I don’t care how well it was going. I don’t care how it seemed like a sure thing. Women and LSSWs are fickle, and remember that you are not real to them until you’re standing in front of them. They don’t feel the need to hamster or explain their actions to someone who doesn’t exist. So until you’re sitting in their living room sipping on whiskey and coke, don’t expect any compassion or mercy from them.

  • Don’t settle. You’ll notice that the higher your SMV appears on your profile, the more subpar women will begin outright chasing you. Do not engage. If you settle for less than you’re capable of, more often than not you’ll end up mistranslating the subpar women as “your league” and your actual league as unattainable. Long term this does more harm than good.

  • Don't be afraid of WonderTits™ one-word responses. If she's responding to you at all, she's interested to some degree and the guide still stands. This goes double for WonderTits™, who probably get 10x the messages compared to ordinary women.

  • Don’t flash. Don't talk on how much you make or flash around your wealth. She'll perceive it as compensation for something else or perceive you as a potential provider, both of which you don't want.

  • Be wary of the “easy lay”. If something came too easy, there’s usually a reason. If she messages you first, quickly becomes sexual, gives out her number much faster than expected, begs to visit you with no shit tests or in a short amount of time, be skeptical. Ask for a picture, ask to Skype, whatever it takes to confirm her identity. You’d be surprised how many catfish there are.

  • Turn off those pesky notifications. This one I’d also highly recommend. A watched pot never boils. If you see pending messages from POF, Tinder or OKC every time you check your phone, you're pretty likely to respond too soon. Go into your phone's settings and turn off those pesky notification pop-ups so pending messages can be addressed at your leisure.

  • Dicks don’t attract chicks. Women don’t want to see your dick. Women are aroused by the high SMV man attached to your dick. Don’t go waving your dick around unless it’s explicitly asked for. Don’t be that dick. Dicks are like pens. Everyone's got one, most people'll loan you one if you ask for it and unless it's super unique, nobody cares about it.

  • Know what signs to look for. If her figure isn’t clearly shown in any pictures, if her pictures are taken at an obscure angle, if her pictures look dated and blurry, if all of her pictures are of just her face or in one post or just her ass, there’s a reason. You may think an LSSW has the traits you’d like in a woman, yet if you're unsure you open yourself to being catfished by an unattractive woman with good photography skills.

  • Text carefully. Read over your texts very carefully before sending them. Without the ability to read your body language to understand you on a covert level, women will attempt to do so through the texts you send. Small things give out huge messages to women if you’re not careful (more on this later). I’m not sure about iPhones, but on Androids there’s a “Text Delay” setting where you can type and send a text and it’ll give you up to 30 seconds to alter or change it before it’s actually sent out. I would highly recommend this to anyone attempting this guide.

  • Let convos die. More on this in the guide, but if she’s attempting to push a subject matter that bores you, stop the conversation there and leave her be. Most likely she’ll message you again in several days with a much more erotic disposition.

  • Learn from your mistakes. I've dropped the ball countless times and so will you. Figure out what you said, how you said it and why you said whatever you said that lost her interest. Maybe you responded too soon? Maybe you came off as insecure or desperate? Remember, for this to work her perception of you is what matters. I'll be repeating this a lot.

And now for what’s been removed since the last version of the guide:

  • Organization is key. Drop this advice. Documentation of various LSSWs you’ll encounter both a) causes overinvestment in any particular interaction with an LSSW and b) subconsciously causes you to approach LSSWs differently based on SMV, race, locale, etc.

  • Avoid single mothers. While I’d highly advise caution when dealing with single mothers, complete avoidance is unnecessary so long as nothing other than sexual promiscuity is established between the two of you.

  • The entire calling section. Calling can work for some people, but for others –especially the younger RPers- it’s wildly inconsistent and may communicate an overinvestment on the RPer’s part. This guide will aim to avoid calling altogether.


PART 1: DATING SITES


LSSWs aren’t serious about meeting any of the guys they see online in-person. It’s like a game to them; the more men in their inbox, the more attractive they perceive themselves and the more confident they feel.

You are not real to her until you are standing in front of her.

The goal of this guide is to make that happen in as short a time span as possible while cutting out as much “shit-test”, “I have to get to know you first”, “I’m not that type of girl” BS as possible.

The goal of this section will be to get her number as effortlessly as possible ALL WHILE MAINTAINING YOUR FRAME. I stress this because getting a number is meaningless if the LSSW’s perception of you is beta or a validation resource. Until you’re standing right in front of her, perception is all you have - false or otherwise. She must perceive you as alpha all the way through for this to succeed or else you’ll all fall on your ass in Part 2.


--Building Your Profile--



1. When fishing for bass, use the right bait.


Minnows are a better bait for catching bass than worms. On the same note, shirtless, attractive pictures are a better bait when fishing for purely sexual encounters with women.

The idea here is selective marketing. If you own a restaurant and you want to attract hungry people, do you put a nuclear scientist conducting research as your commercial? No, as that would either attract the wrong demographic or misrepresent the goals and intentions of your restaurant.

The same applies for shirtless pictures. The key is to tap into the reptilian side of her mind. Any LSSW that messages or responds to a message to a guy with a good shirtless picture has made it clear that your physique piqued her interest.

Look confident. Relaxed posture, relaxed shoulders, relaxed palms, no head tilt, no deer in headlights stare.

Making your profile picture shirtless is making sexuality and physicality your thesis statement; most women typically don’t look past the profile picture anyway, so she’ll draw as much as she can from the profile picture alone. Make it a summation not of you or what you are but what you want and what you expect. A profile picture of you riding in a race car? “He’s interesting and fun, but he’s looking for women who also like that sort of thing and I don’t care about cars.” A shirtless picture in low-waist jeans at some beach in Maui? “He’s attractive and comfortable with himself.”

This will establish you as attractive, a woman’s first alpha prerequisite.

NOTE: I'm not implying that having pictures of you doing interesting things is a bad thing. Quite the opposite, I'd encourage it. What I am saying is that if sex is what you want from an LSSW, shirtless pictures will make that message clear.


2. Pre-selection is powerful. Use it.


The second most potent statement one can make through pictures is displayed/”unintentional” pre-selection.

Preselection basically boils down to any evidence supporting you as a hot commodity, or in this case, pictures with women genuinely enjoying your company.

I’ve posted pictures of myself from the Toyko nightlife with a swarm of 8-10 women. I don’t remember their names or how we’d met that night, but in reality, for what I use them for, that doesn’t matter. All that matters is that by reading their body language in the pictures it was clear that they were having a good time and I was the cause. While they don’t need to be Tonk Stark-esque pictures, you should post pictures like these.

NOTE: Do not post pictures of you near women or with women where interest or attraction isn’t blatantly displayed. The women need to seem enthralled just by being in your company. The truth of what’s really happening in the picture doesn’t matter, only how it appears. More pictures like this but none like this or this or this. Watch for body language. That “they’ve probably boned before” look.


3. Write about how you’re the shit.


Juxtapose the vain shirtless selfies with a bio that tells about all the amazing hobbies, interests and accomplishments that represent you. Go as in depth as you can. Be cocky. Describe your life as the best thing since sliced bread.

This extravagant regaling of your life will be contrasted nicely by your short and rare responses while chatting with the LSSWs, causing them to hamster into thinking maybe they’re not good enough for you. Why would this attractive, interesting, smart alpha want to spend time with a boring woman like me? And all this will come without you having to lift a finger.

This will establish you as higher value than her, a woman’s second alpha prerequisite.

NOTE: DO NOT talk about how much money you make, your high-paying corporate job, your nice car, your big house, etc. Only boast about YOU and things that can only be found within YOU. Otherwise, the LSSWs will immediate peg you as a potential high-SMV provider, the shit tests will get insane and same-night/short-term sex will be near impossible.


4. Real you vs. digital you.


If you’ve continuously floundered on the first date every time you’ve met an LSSW in person, this could be your problem. If you’re more attractive in your profile picture than you appear now, she’ll brand you a liar.

And she’s not wrong in feeling that way.

If a HB9 agreed to meet you for coffee and a HB4 walked through the door, you would feel cheated.

Humble yourself a bit, be honest; are you as attractive as you’re making yourself look? 1,000 numbers means nothing with 0 lays. Attracting them is only the first step. Maintaining their intrigue is the rest.


--Messaging--


Before we delve into messaging on dating sites, let’s briefly discuss “baking”.

Baking is the process of leaving messages or text messages unanswered for long periods of time to invoke intrigue.

Just like in actual baking, LSSWs can be left to bake for too long or not long enough.

Over-baking is leaving a text or message for too long, often leading to an unintended “soft” next. The resulting soft next isn’t the same as one towards a known woman, however, and future interactions with the LSSW may be lost as you have yet to exist to her i.e. have yet to enter her perception.

Under-baking is how most guys handle messaging on dating sites; as soon as the notification of a new message arrives, they jump on the sight and reply on the spot. This invokes over-investment in her and significantly weakens your chances of success in any form. Remember, women watch actions over words; if you’re responding to her immediately every time she messages you no matter the hour or day, she’ll notice your over-abundance of interest and be put off.

You should bake a minimum of 15 minutes and a maximum of 24 hours. The more attractive you consider her, the longer you bake.

Why? Attractive women expect a certain level of investment from men. By separating yourself from this expectation, you effortlessly invoke intrigue putting you above whomever else she’s considering.

Now back to the matter at hand.


5. Succint and selective.


The shorter the message the better. Nowadays, I begin all encounters by sending “Hi” to every women I’d enjoy fucking. No punctuations, no double messages, no questions.

This is the preverbial “casting of the net”; this part of the process is purely a numbers game.

You only engage the women who reply back. Those that don’t have their reasons which you don’t have time to dwell in.

Your physique increases the number of initial responses, your frame increases the number of in-person meets, your SMV increases the number of sexual encounters.

If you’re having trouble in any of these areas, check their corresponding causes.

Her first response will almost always be “Hey”, “Hi”, “Hello”, etc. Follow it up with “What’re you looking for” (no punctuation).

Starting a conversation with “Hi” and following with “Whatre you looking for" has rarely changed for me. It’s pretty standard.

Oh no, did she asked “How’re you?” or “How’re you doing?”

Respond with “Good you” (no punctuation).

Seems overly short and uninterested, right? That’s the point. We want her to feel as though you’ve got better people to message with. Too preoccupied to pay her any attention. She’ll say “good”, you say “What’re you looking for" and move forward.


6. “What’re you looking for” and the wonderful letter K.


This is the best point to judge her investment in you.

If she gives you some long-winded explanation about how she wants guy whose sweet, funny, caring, blah blah blah, you’re officially under-invested in comparison. That makes the rest of this guide very easy.

If she responds with one word like “Friends”, she’s still under-invested, but no problem. We’ll use the rest of the guide to appear even less invested than her.

No matter what her response is, I reply with the wonderful letter “K” (no punctuation).

Here's an actual exchange:

  • “I want a man would loves me for me and will be by my side no matter what.”

  • “K”

  • ”So, what about you? What’re you looking for?”

The fact that I completely ignored her desires for a man didn’t bother her in the slightest.

If you’re ever in a bind and don’t know how to respond, always always use the wonderful letter K.

Most times, because this mundane response is such a farcry from what they’re accustomed to, the LSSW will continue the conversation of her own volition. She desperately wants to get inside your head and see what makes you so different from the others.

And you’ll notice this a lot. It’ll seem like she’s having a conversation with herself. Just let it happen.

I was on Skype the other night with an LSSW and I played with my phone the entire time. I rarely looked at the screen.

She used this technique I like to call “blind firing” where she'd jump from topic to topic to see what grabbed my attention.

She brought up sex, I finally looked at the screen.

It’s sort of like a reverse psychology version of classical conditioning. Let her feel like she naturally reached the conclusion. Mind games through silence and succinctness.

NOTE: “K cool” and “K good” and “K great” (no punctuation) work as less-succinct variations. The K is what matters. It’s such an unimpressed and pedantic response, it’s hard not to use it.


7. “Friends”


Nobody joins on a dating site looking for friends. "Friends" on dating sites is slang for sex partners. Remember that.

If she asks what you’re looking for –especially after she just described her Prince Charming- respond with “Friends” or “Friends maybe more” (no punctuation).

In the last guide I made the mistake of advising “I can manage that much” as an acceptable response. That implies interest in becoming whatever lollipop definition of a guy she described previously and invokes an over investment. Remember, Friends means sex buddies. You want friends for now.

NOTE: If she says “Friends and you?”, you respond with “Same” (no punctuation).

NOTE: "Nothing serious right now" is an equally -if not more- effective response. [Addendum]


8. “Whats your number”


You want to keep going until you get to the point where she has nothing left to say or the conversations hit an end. If she responds with “yeah” or “okay” or “cool” or anything that ends that arch of the conversation, respond with “Whats your number” (no punctuation).

If she follows up with “What do you do?” or “What’s your favorite color?” or “What’s your favorite movie?” respond with “Only in person” and keep going.

If she doesn’t respond to your number request, fuck it and move on. If multiple LSSWs are non-responsive at this point, check the level of SMV you're displaying both in your pics and in your bios ad make some adjustments. Be honest and be objective.

If she gives you some schpeel about how “It’s too early to give out her number” or “she doesn’t give out her number after the first conversation” or she wants to “talk more on here more first to get to know you” or any other possible excuse, she either sees you as a potential provider, as a lower SMV compared to her or as desperate/sexually-depraved (comes across by responding too quickly; scarce mentality). This cake is bad, move on and work on yourself more.


PART 2: TEXTING


Unlike conversing on dating sites, texting is a bit trickier with someone you’ve never met, simply because this is usually when the real shit tests start. On top of that, ignoring, combating or brushing off these shit tests will usually lead to her cutting you off in an instant because remember: you don’t exist to her until you’re standing in front of her.

The goal of this section will be to establish your existence (and your frame) within her world by meeting in person, all-the-while avoiding those game-ending shit tests most people encounter at this stage.

Also, be very very succinct. Shorter the better. Think of what you want to say then shorten it as much as possible without using unnecessary abbreviations (u for you, wyd for what’re you doing, ur for your, etc.)

NOTE: Some phones (all Androids I believe) have a text setting called “Text Delay”. It allows you to edit any text you send out 30 seconds after pressing send before the text completely leaves your phone. I highly recommend altering these settings in your phone to prevent premature text responses.


9. Make her remember you.


Once you’ve received her number, start off by texting “Name’s ___” with a picture of your profile picture attached to the text. Do this so that after you leave this conversation to “bake”, she’ll remember what you look like.

Women rarely save the numbers of guys they haven’t met. Sending your picture solidifies a reference to your physique should a great deal of time pass and she choose to reach out to you again.

Do this soon after receiving her number to keep it relevant.


10. Give her a taste.


If she responds, reply back with a “Whatre you up to” (no punctuation) to invoke a small level of interest.

This may sound odd, but start a conversation with the sole purpose of leaving her hanging mid-way through. For example, start talking about movies, ask what hers are, and when she responds drop the conversation for the day. After baking, do not continue or acknowledge this conversation.

This’ll cause her to hamster, but the direction she hamsters isn’t really important. What’s important is that now you’ve become relevant to her.


11. Bake at 450 degrees.


Bake for however long you deem appropriate do not continue or acknowledge the conversation you were having previously. Simply tell her “Hey” and move on to the next step.


12. “You free any this week”


You’re variation may change from mine, but I’ve found “You free any this week” (no punctuation) after baking to be the best way to get an LSSW out the front door.

If she says she's free on a particular day, don’t say “Let’s [blank]” or “We should [blank]”.

Say “Im free after ” (no punctuation) or "__[time/day] works" (no punctuation).

Remember, women don’t too much care for blunt, direct conversation. Imply what you want without outright saying it.

You asking if she’s free is implication enough that you're interested, you're attracted to her and you want to meet her.

If she asks what you two will be doing, dance around it but stay succinct. “Whatever I want”, “Whatever I feel like”, “Things”, “Crazy shit”, “Cool stuff” are all evasive-type answers that can build up intrigue.

If she asks when to meet up, either say “Whenever” (no punctuation) or just give a number, like "6". If she asks where, just send the address.

As short and sweet as possible.

NOTE: "Variations like "hows your week look" are just as effective. [Addendum]


13. Make her ass worry you flaked.


Whether you’ve decided to meet back at her place or at some coffee shop, once the date/time has been finalized and the address decided, don’t bring it up again and if possible, stop texting her until that date (unless she reaches out).

Do not double-check the time you’re meeting, don’t check if she can still make it, don’t call her to say you’re on your way, etc.

She’ll do that for you and you need to allow her to. It’ll further her investment in meeting you.

NOTE: I’ve noticed that reconfirming dates will increase an LSSW’s likelihood to flake, even if this guide is implemented perfectly. By not reconfirming and letting her reach out first, I’ve yet to see an LSSW flake.


14. Flakes will happen.


For flaking, I like to use the College 20 rule. If she doesn’t show or contact me in 20 minutes after our arranged time, I’m gone.

Don’t get mad. Don’t get upset. Don’t reach out. Simply drive off and go do something else.

You’d be surprised how surprised they get when you don’t passive-aggressively call after being stood up.

If she calls later, act like it didn’t faze you.

Or even better, tell her you didn’t show up either! Show control of your emotions an she’ll repay you in kind.

An LSSW was supposed to meet me and my friends one weekend to attend a rave. She never showed nor called. I dropped it and we had a good time.

Two days later I get a half page message of how sorry she was that she’d forgotten. She invited me over as recompense. Maintain frame.

Don’t be shaken.

Always expect a flake and always have a back-up strategy.

A fun thing you can do should she not show up. This will keep you from making your happiness dependent on her arrival; sure having her around would be cool, but the mall is 5 minutes from here.


Lesson Learned


Behavioural patterns of LSSWs can be controlled for the experimenter’s best possible outcome through a concise, repeatable cause-and-effect method developed through behavioural experimentation and approach modification.

For any further questions, I'm open to talking over Skype under Skype username OmLaLa2015. Please message me set up a meeting.


Addendum


This should suffice as proof of the usefulness of the wonderful letter K and succinct grammar when dealing with LSSWs.


[–]mugatucrazypills 82 points83 points  (13 children)

has anyone tried setting up overlapping "dates" ?

meet a woman at coffee shop and schedule more ladies to arrive at 20 min intervals

I doubt it would get you laid. But the social chaos would be awesome.

"You wanted to meet me alone for coffee ?"

"This isn't a date. I'm auditioning."

[–]bobbybluepill 55 points56 points  (6 children)

There's a guy on here who books 3 dates over an hour and a half or something in order of hotness and flakes on the later dates if it's going well during an earlier date. Also, if he gets flaked on, he's got two backups.

I do like your idea though. "I'm auditioning." Hilarious.

If you try it, write a FR.

[–]redadactyl 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I do this. Two or three at a time tops. I've never had more than one actually show up. I used to get butthurt over being stood up but now I just don't care. Its an intrinsic behavior of these women, I am not real to them.

[–]mugatucrazypills 1 point2 points  (2 children)

would be better to sequence the ladies from doggie to hottie

that way every 20 minutes or so more social proof arrives. rapidly diminishing supply of mugatu, increasing demand

should get out from behind my keyboard and write something real world

[–]94redstealth 12 points13 points  (1 child)

i disagree. If a hottie shows up with you chatting to someone she shes as lower SMV than her, she will think less of you.
But if a lower SMV rolls up on you with a higher SMV, you might have an instant plate as she tries to compete
Then if you bounce the higher SMV girl for the lower, her hamster will explode thinking shes not as high SMV as she thought

[–]mugatucrazypills 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Your logic is sound.higher to lower SMV so long as you don't spoil hottie with attention (and she shows up)

[–]Soender 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mostly plan 3 women near the same time. I always got a backup, and therefore a flake means nothing. If she is shit, I get her to leave and another one arrives. If she's cool, I let her stay.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 8 points9 points  (0 children)

has anyone tried setting up overlapping "dates" ?

I always do. Well, not always since it's actually tough to get them to come out on nights & times that actually overlaps. When I do though I follow Aaron Clarey's rule of whatever the hell it was. Set up 3 dates and you're lucky if one shows up. I've never had more than one show, but I have had all 3 flake before when i was getting the hang of Tinder and such.

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[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 22 points23 points  (6 children)

Basic cat string theory. Give them too much and they get bored with it, but keep it bouncing around and just enough attention to spike their interest and they can't help but pounce.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

I've often compared women to cats. If I'm petting a cat I always stop when they're enjoying it and then wait for them to ask for more. Getting a cat that doesn't know you to come sit on your lap requires patience. If you try to pick it up too soon it will run away and it will actually take quite a bit longer. Instead of pursuing a cat, I show interest and lure it in with something. And never touch the belly of a cat you don't know that well. They can turn on you in an instant and fuck your hand up.

[–]Modredpillschool 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Drag a string around the corner, and then wait.

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This, right here, is fucking GOLD. Thank you.

Act like the pussy is in the bag -- in text as in life -- and good things will come to you.

[–][deleted] 117 points118 points  (44 children)

Funny how Men need to regress to caveman language to get younger women.

The End is near alright.

Great Post.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (11 children)

There is no damn way I would forgo punctuation to get a woman.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 15 points16 points  (9 children)

Is a woman’s opinion on your grammar so important to you that you'd forgo sex?

There is no damn way I would forgo punctuation to get a woman.

Communication with women is purely covert in the first place. Intention > Information. A lack of punctuation gives of the intention of under-investment to the point where your texts are short and brief. She's not the highest on your priority list. That's what women want.

Accurate grammar is an overt i.e. male construct of communication. The key is to communicate on their level.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (7 children)

It's not about her. I hold myself to that standard.

Edit: I'd also say that it makes negligible difference to your chances, in terms of quantity, but increases your chances in terms of quality. A lot of well educated women are put off by atrocious spelling and grammar. Upping your game in terms of perceived education, care and professionalism, and not sounding like a dead-beat degenerate, will target a greater number of quality females.

[–]yumyumgivemesome 7 points8 points  (1 child)

OP described his outline as a superficial numbers game for sex. That means her quality must meet the simple threshold of looking sexy and clean enough for the guy's standards. The rest of her could be anything.

If you either aren't merely looking for a bunch of sex or if other characteristics of a woman are more important to how you rate her overall quality in regard to sex, then you should tinker with or disregard his outline.

For example, if your goal is to acquire plates, then this guide won't necessarily give you the best approach. Using decent grammar will decrease your number of hits but hopefully increase the average quality and thereby increase your likelihood of connecting with a plateable woman.

[–]Stonish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I use punctuations since ever, it comes pretty much automaticly without thinking... Not that easy to stop if you ask me but I get the point.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 22 points23 points  (7 children)

Action words are where it's at. I forget where I saw it, but there's science that talking like that actually works wonders, but it has to be used at the right times. For example...

You me my house now.

It very much sounds cavemanish, but it works.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The message i sent to my current plate to arrange a date, two days after the first time we fucked:

Tonight, 9.30, xxx place, bring your jacket

No "hey" in the message, no smilies, no punctuation marks. Plus the fact that she was hamstering for the whole day on why does she needs a jacket in the middle of July

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

If women responded to barking sounds men will start barking like dogs.

This proves why women leading societies always collapse in the end. We are regressing to accommodate women's preferences.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I'd edit this to say beta men would bark like dogs. Alphas would meow and get laid regardless.

[–]AllOrDeath 7 points8 points  (3 children)

You wrote a huge guide on how to appeal and cater to females and get them attracted. That's the barking part. Betas meow and dont get laid. If simply doingwhat you wanted worked, this post and subreddit wouldnt exist.

[–]Addictedtoiron 2 points3 points  (2 children)

If women responded to barking sounds men will start barking like dogs.

We do what women respond to because they're driven by nature. OP is not preaching to do what women want but instead to appeal to the irresistible subconscious instinct that drive woman's decisions.

Suppose women do respond to barking sound, then:

  1. Woman would deny it
  2. Society would create a taboo around barking
  3. Betas would do what they've been told.

[–]AllOrDeath 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Women want to be seduced. Successfully seducing a woman is giving her what she wants. Being alpha is giving her what she wants. There's no hamstering that can be done to escape that.

[–]Addictedtoiron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women don't know what they want.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I realize that is the reality of the situation, but I'm not sure If I go to that level if I will be degrading and eroding all self respect.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a slippery slope. Sure you remember correct grammar from school but the younger guys eventually will become 100% fluent in retard-speak.

[–]magus678 3 points4 points  (20 children)

I notice this too. It all comes down to just flying the flag she needs.

Some girls (journalism/English lit types) will swing hard the other direction, talking about Oxford commas like some kind of horseshit deal breaker.

As always, be perceptive and adaptable.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

I think it has to do with the ghetto culture here in the USA. It's cool to be ghetto. Ghetto rap took a while to penetrate the American fabric and now it's there like a black virus.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

I wouldn't go as far as to blame urban culture for poor grammatical practice. I'd say it's the birth of the digital age that caused the shift of importance.

The digital age and online globalization brought about an increase in speed in all things and a lack of patience as a result. In turn, certain things were deemed unimportant within the greater scheme. The information was deemed more important than the grammar used to convey it so long as the core message was unaltered. "What're you doing?" and "wyd" convey the same message, so socially wyd was preferred.

[–]cdtCPTret 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A while back I lost my phone downtown. I was still logged in to a bunch of my accounts like tinder. A day or so later I log in from another device and notice that the guy that found my phone was messaging some girls on there better than me. I particularly remember some stalled out conversation where I was using normal words. He messaged her "Wyd" and he replied a lot. Then something like "hbu" and she replied a ton. Whereas when I was doing it normally it was like pulling teeth. Eventually tracked down the phone to the shit part of town. Went in and demanded to search a couple of houses. That was dumb in retrospect. Never found it.

[–]truchisoft 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Well I decided to implement the guide in Argentina, where we have no ghetto, and I am getting numbers left and right, so many that now I don't know what the fuck am I going to do with 15 numbers and three days next week.

[–]rpscrote 3 points4 points  (12 children)

dude. If a girl gives you shit about your grammar it has nothing to do with your grammar. Its a shit test. She doesn't give 2 shits about grammar. I have impeccable grammar when necessary, which is not with some bitch I hardly care about. Perfect grammar signals overinvestment pretty consistently

[–]magus678 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have pretty good grammar effortlessly, and I am pretty funny effortlessly.

If a girl wants to think either means I'm overinvested, I don't particularly care; I will just get a new less retarded one.

In my situation acting otherwise is the labor. So I don't do it.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If a girl gives you shit about your grammar it has nothing to do with your grammar. Its a shit test. She doesn't give 2 shits about grammar.

I think this is a very accurate point.

I have impeccable grammar when necessary, which is not with some bitch I hardly care about. Perfect grammar signals overinvestment pretty consistently.

So it this. I have good grammar, but I'm not catering my grammar towards her. To do so would be an over-investment on my part.

She's not getting wet over my proper usage of you're and your. She's getting wet over my Adonis belt.

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[–]UmbrellaCorp1961 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sooo....2 months gone. How did it work?

[–]SwagYoloJesus 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Sooo....4 months gone. How did it work?

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    [–]Venomroach 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Warning: never use the super like feature that just rolled out. It paints your profile beta blue and let's the girl you super liked know you are eager. Counter intuitive to abundance mentality and just seems like a new feature to weed out the betas. The best part is it colours your profile blue. Does an RPer work at tinder?

    [–]time_to_MANUP 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    Holy fuck, it's working...

    "Hi girly"

    "Hello"

    "What're you looking for"

    "Looking for new friends and you?"

    "Same"

    "So how long have you been here on dating site?"

    This chick's pics are way hotter than the usual ones that message back. I'll probably fuck it up at some point, but hey - one step at a time. Thanks for the guide, bro.

    [–]putinbush10 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    So how did it go? Did you sort it out?

    [–]wehadtosaydickety 31 points32 points  (13 children)

    I'm slaying it at online dating and I really have to disagree with most of your advice. Responding with "K" or repeating "What's your number" is going to turn a lot of girls off, at this point you're just a random person on the internet and have little sway with them.

    The goal of online dating is: get a face-to-face meeting with a woman with a romantic dynamic.

    Ok, so rule number one is don't talk about sex. There are a bunch of creeps on these sites and women are mostly sick of them. You have NOTHING to gain by talking about sex before you meet the woman.

    Then,

    a) Send a message that asks a question, pick out something in her profile and ask about it.

    b) Use her response to start a conversation, blablabla that's so interesting then ask another question

    c) Get her off the dating site. Ask for her number, or ask if she uses whatsapp or viber or whatever. Now you will not be a dating site guy but a 'new friend' to her

    d) Continue the conversation outside the dating site.

    e) ask for date

    B and D should not be too long, about 2-4 responses from her is good enough for each. It depends on the situation. If she is really talkative you can go right for the date. If she is a little colder you need to get her talking more. When you ask for a date, it shouldn't even be a doubt in your mind she will say yes - when the woman is talking to you freely and is asking you questions also, they want to meet you.

    Also I should note - I never get flakes. And I get laid so much on the first date it's ridiculous. A big reason for this is I'm priming them before the date, I'm not bullying them into a meeting where they aren't comfortable. If you've been really cold and talking about sex or they haven't talked to you beyond giving you their number, the meeting is going to be like meeting a random person on the street. It's going to take more work at the date to get comfortable.

    As a former salesman, I'd just add it's not just getting a 'yes' that is important, it's getting them to think 'YES!' It's easy to manipulate someone into saying yes, it's better to give them some motivation to meet you.

    [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I don't doubt that this worked for you but I've had more success focusing on hinting at sex. For reference I was getting more than a 50% response rate.

    You don't want to be overt about it, no "u want sum fuk?", but hint at it in an amusing way. Something like "We're easily the hottest people on this site, I'm pretty sure it's our duty to create the next generation of models". The chicks that want to bone on the first date want guys that are sexual and fun.

    I agree with the rest of your tips, but avoiding the sexual talk hasn't really worked for me in the past.

    [–]wehadtosaydickety 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    yea sometimes I'll fit that type of talk in, especially if I have doubts about her purpose (e.g. vague profile, single photo, might want to gauge her reaction). But from what I've seen of the competition (girls have shown me messages), there is a temptation to search for spank bank material rather than to actually have sex. E.g. guys trying to start sex chat. That's what should be avoided.

    and my approach doesn't work for everyone, I've been accused of seeming cold to girls because I didn't use pet names and talk a lot about their bodies when we first met. I guess I've got more of a quick strike mentality, where the goal is to get them to my house and make things sexual there.

    [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 15 points16 points  (4 children)

    I must disagree with this response. The over-investment implied will serve as nothing more than a self-deprecation.

    Send a message that asks a question, pick out something in her profile and ask about it.

    I'd argue that this is beginning in an implied over-investment. You don't know this woman and immediately you're asking her details about herself.

    You're also limiting your range across the board. You'd have to actually read the bios of every girl you're interested in, pick out something unique about each one, then cater a question to her. That's time consuming. It also significantly increases your actual investment in the entire process.

    Use her response to start a conversation, blablabla that's so interesting then ask another question

    Again, asking personal or detailed questions to a women you've never met conveys an over-investment. I've had fat chicks ask me about details on my bio and I've been immediately pu off, so I know other LSSWs think the same thing if we do it.

    I'd argue most of what the rest of your advice implies is a catering to any particular LSSW.

    I'm not bullying them into a meeting where they aren't comfortable

    Their comfort shouldn't matter to you. Your convenience should. If they can't meet at a time or place convenient to you, move on.

    I never get flakes

    If you cater to each and every LSSW that responds, that may be. But that's an over-investment on your part. You're adapting your schedule and time to better suit theirs, which is a weakness in frame.

    If you've been really cold and talking about sex or they haven't talked to you beyond giving you their number, the meeting is going to be like meeting a random person on the street.

    Or you can skip the date altogether and invite them to your place. This statement feels like it stems from a fear of confrontation; you're afraid of offending her, so you tell her what she likes to hear in order to get in her pants. The sex means too much to you.

    It's going to take more work at the date to get comfortable.

    Again, if your SMV is in check, she'll be comfortable in a dive bar amongst thieves and harlots. Her comfort isn't something you should have to work at to establish.

    [–]wehadtosaydickety 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    Different strokes, I guess. I tried the tough guy approach and found it significantly limited my pool. As for overinvestment, it doesn't really take a lot of time to do what I said. The next girl I'm meeting? I told her her hat was awesome, and asked her where she bought it.

    To me it's not an overinvestment, it's an excuse to initiate a conversation. If the girl is attracted to you, she'll appreciate it for what it is (no matter how stupid or inane) and engage.

    I suppose this also depends on your preference - I like meeting new people, and talking to them, so for me it isn't an investment at all. If I can have an interesting conversation with someone, that fits my approach and is enjoyable for me.

    Her comfort does matter to me insofar as she feels comfortable enough to decide to meet me and eventually have sex. And personally I'm not comfortable inviting a stranger to my house, I'd much rather meet them for coffee and have at least a short date to make everything feel less 'arranged.'

    And it isn't all a manipulation on my part - I genuinely enjoy talking to new people, I'm good at it, so I'm playing to my strengths. I think any sort of one-size-fits-all, acronym-laden approach is going to not suit a lot of people.

    [–]Limekill 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    blackdragon agrees with OmLaLa - he recommends you don't even read the profile - too much investment, so I'm with OmLaLa with this. And why?

    It's a numbers game - imagine read a long rambling talk, messaging and (of course) she doesn't even bother replying to you to your crafted message.... no point in reading it in the first place.

    [–]Gawernator 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    Great post. I can't live without commas though. lol.

    I always thought you should have a pretty minimalist profile, to be more vague/intriguing/stoic...

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    I agree about minimalist profiles. Going in depth about yourself shows over-investment and opens the door to saying something she doesn't like. It also looks like you're trying to impress. Women like mystery, then they can fill in the blanks on their own and imagination is often more interesting than reality.

    On okcupid if you fill out every section and answer a certain number of questions then your profile will become more visible. This can be achieved with short one word or one sentence answers.

    [–]trinitys_dildo 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    Thanks for another great guide/FR /u/OmLaLa.

    RE:

    I've dropped the ball countless times and so will you

    If you were to go out and start matching/responding on dating sites with your current level of experience and knowledge what would be your hit rate roughly?

    So if we count from when you send the first message what % would you end up meeting in person ? Of these what % would you end up bedding?

    EDIT: "start" not "starting"

    [–]magus678 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Not OP, but I have a fair bit of experience in the online arena and I would say for me it is:

    20% or so of my messages get responses worth pursuing.

    I can get about 75% of those to meet it I want to.

    I bang at least 80% of the ones I end up meeting, and about 75% of those on the first meet.

    Now, I screen pretty strongly for sex; I think that accounts for my numbers being a bit lopsided as the interaction moves forward. My initial success is a bit tougher, but it pays off later on.

    [–]trinitys_dildo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Thanks for the stats.

    I went on Tinder briefly. My profile pics were reasonable but no shirt off I'm not jacked yet and didn't have any pics with women that I felt OK about posting (only ex gf etc).

    Still I got a fair amount of matches and replies to my messages (maybe 50%). After this it went downhill got almost no meets and no lays.

    From OP:

    Don't start until you're ready. A strong frame, attractive figure and abundance mentality are REQUIRED prior to attempting this guide

    I wasn't ready and won't be going back until I am

    [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    So if we count from when you send the first message what % would you end up meeting in person ? Of these what % would you end up bedding?

    These are rough approximations:

    At this point, I'd say ~75% of LSSWs I'll message respond initially.

    60% of those give their number.

    60% of those agree to meet up.

    90% of those end up sexual.

    50% of those become sexual by the initial engagement.

    So, if I message 100 women a week...

    75 respond intially, ~45 give their number, 27 agree to meet, ~25 typically become sexual after meeting, 12 become sexual on the first meet.

    Granted, I don't meet up with 27 women every week, but going off of those that either agree or ask to meet, that's usually where it stands.

    Once we've met, sex typically always happens save for one or two.

    [–]metallica11 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    the most distressing thing a man notices in his pursuit and evolution of online dating from 1st profile and message to maximizing his success rate is the painful realization of WHAT WORKS and what doesn't and how that reflects on women in society.

    Initial Strategy: I'll create a profile with an emphasis on my personality, interests, likes/dislikes and what I am looking for in the opposite sex. I'll put some pictures up of me, they don't HAVE to be the best ones because women care about personality right? I'll message women I believe are in my league (not fat) with a well thought out highly intellectual message explaining to them why I am interested in them, what I liked about their profile, and why we should get a drink sometime.

    End Strategy: Maximize your physical attraction in your pictures AS MUCH AS possible. Go as far as to use photoshop to hide blemishes. Covertly put shirtless pictures up in natural settings to show off your body. Forget highly intellectual message - be short, direct and brief. NEVER tell her that you find her attractive or pretty.

    It's truly sad reflection of the sexual marketplace and what is in demand these days.

    [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    A man goes from presenting himself as the best person possible to presenting himself as the most attractive product on the shelf.

    Women base their shopping off the label all the time with no appreciation for what's inside. It's why we've seen such a boom in Marketing during the last generation.

    Wonderful summary.

    [–]metallica11 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Marketing has harnessed the emotional circuitry of women to their advantage to maximize profits.

    This guide is similar, except we use it to maximize lays.

    [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Maximizing lays, as it should be.

    [–]-Johnny- 4 points5 points  (5 children)

    Not if, but when she ask you about the past girl you where TALKING TO just tell her that the lady girl was boring. She will get very insecure and try harder. 95% of the time.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Happened to me last night. I got asked almost immediately how many girls I've met so far. Told her I don't keep track but they were pretty boring. An hour later she was in my bed moaning.

    [–]-Johnny- 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Another tip: tell her something brutally honest you don't like about girls, bbbuuutttt make sure she doesn't have it. I tell girls im very particular about nipples. I hate big nipples, they will send nudes very soon after.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    LOL I like it, gonna try it

    [–]redadactyl 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    This is a great point. keepin that in the back pocket,

    [–]-Johnny- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I honestly use it on every girl I talk to online.

    [–]DeathByTeaCup 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    How many girls will actually respond to "K"? This is a good guide overall, I just feel like many won't bother responding to a one word answer like that, especially when they (presumably) are getting hundreds of other messages.

    [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Try it and see. What've you got to lose?

    [–]Drekalo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    When your SMV is a margin above hers, and you're making it clear you know that, why wouldn't she respond?

    [–]Venomroach 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    those hundreds of other messages usually have 100+ words in them. Yours will be different even if it's a single letter.

    [–]cdtCPTret 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yet I'm pretty sure the majority are "hey" to start. It's even in their profile. "Don't message me with 'hey'"

    [–]drallcom3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    If the responds it's a sure date. If she doesn't next her. I like to give those responses at one point to weed out the flakes.

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    [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That's a very viable option.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (6 children)

    I've followed your previous post's advice with great results so this is not a critique but more of clarifying questions.

    1. "you free any time this week" - to me that implies going into her frame. I've seen other people recommend starting with "I'm free ___." If your strategy is working for you, why do you think that is? To me it seems like you're placating to the times she is available.

    2. Same goes for "whenever" when being ask to meet up. To me this seems like it goes against the whole men are in control and women want to be led idea. Wouldn't it be more manly to dictate time and place? Responding with something like "X time at X location."

    3. In the same vein as #2

      Remember, women don’t too much care for blunt, direct conversation. Imply what you want without outright saying it.

    This seems to be against the consensus in most RP materials. Outright saying your wants is successful, or at least has been for me. I guess I'm just interested in a discussion of how and why this has been successful for you since it does not seem to be the norm.

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      [–]Venomroach 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I think the main point here is being different, and in this day and age, being different means showing you don't really give a shit. "I don't give a fuck" should be the underlying tone in these messages.

      [–]yumyumgivemesome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I am very interested to hear the discussion of #s 1 and 2.

      As for 3, one point of distinction is texting before she considers us a real person versus when she has met us and knows we exist. The vagueness and flakiness is perhaps better for the former in order to spin the hamster wheel and force her to think about us as real people and wonder what we're thinking about.

      [–]trinitys_dildo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I'm just interested in a discussion of how and why this has been successful for you since it does not seem to be the norm

      Me also...

      I read the original LSSW series that OP wrote and I was struck by how much of the details (but not the big picture) seemed to contradict things I understand about TRP.

      For example sometimes he seemed to put himself in the friendzone at the earliest opportunity when first chatting to girls on dating sites/apps. Some of his convos went something like:

      him: "what are you looking for?" her: "blah blah. And you?" him: "yeah similar. Do you want to hang out and be friends ? ....

      [–]cdtCPTret 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Saw an RSD video about "let's meet up as friends." It's like a technique to get her to "leave her bitch shield at home" so she comes just for fun. "But little does she know, you're gonna fuck her." The quintessential PUA.

      [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      Online dating is a great teaching tool for guys who still struggle with putting women on a pedastel.

      Read those profiles, and you will quickly learn how boring and fucking basic the majority of them are. You realize quickly just how more interesting you are compared to them. It helps you realize that girls are really looking for an interesting guy so they can join in on the activities.

      [–]cdtCPTret 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      RSD Tyler puts it as 'a man is an island with a strong grounded reality. A woman is a boat with no reality and she goes from island to island experiencing different realities. But she has no reality of her own.' And a mistake is to consider yourself the boat that's visiting the woman islands and adapting to their realities to Try to fuck em. Because they have none, and you just became an orbiter/giving up your identity. That tidbit is actually striking me much harder than any TRP theory short of the misandry bubble.

      [–]Redasshole 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      For any further questions, I'm open to talking over Skype under Skype username OmLaLa2015. Please message me set up a meeting.

      Lol are you going to sell shirts soon?

      [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      There's a special going on today.

      [–]doctorlw 3 points4 points  (15 children)

      I have a very good amount of success with online dating, getting more dates per week than I can actually go on. That said, I don't agree with many of these statements, though I do see the logic and reasoning in them. Many of them I also agree with whole-heartedly.

      Either way, good post.

      [–]frankgold 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      This has more valid, useful information than, most PUA/Online dating courses sold... :D

      [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Thank you. I feel like human behavioural analysis is becoming a strength of mine.

      [–]truchisoft 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Man this is tight I have been implemeting this the past few days with my tinder matches, and hell its really useful to weed out quickly non interested girls.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      you are the real red pill god. can we give you gaylubeoil's flair?

      [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      I'd rather have a Machiavellian flair.

      [–]stickfiguresk 6 points7 points  (11 children)

      TRP has shocked me with how little time and energy I can invest in a woman and still get laid. Your last guide put that at an all-time maximum effeciency. This guide looks like it'll cut my time investment further. Thanks, OmLaLa. Your guides are doing the world a service, on several different levels.

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        [–]stickfiguresk 5 points6 points  (8 children)

        Ah, I enjoy the gym and my hobbies. It's the talking to new prospects that's usually a chore.

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          [–]stickfiguresk 3 points4 points  (6 children)

          I don't really do "dates" it's f-close after meet up or I don't talk to her again.

          [–]cdtCPTret 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          What do you do? Invite them over every time?

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          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Same. Tinder is the only one I bother with anymore. I think the social stigma against online dating is much less with Tinder. I've seen way more attractive girls there. I think it's because they can only receive messages from guys they like and match with instead of weeding through hundreds. The fact that it's just an app on your phone with little investment as well.

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          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 20 points21 points  (6 children)

          As you get older the usefulness of online dating drops precipitously. After 37 the chances of you pulling 18-25 age group girls are going to be much lower. Just having that number there is enough to make them go eeewww creepy.

          I have zero problems getting the same age group to show interest in person, but online all I get is wrinkled up hags and fat single mothers. Unless you look like a movie star, that 40+ age will work against you. They don't want to know, they want to assume you're just prematurely gray.

          Unless I want to fuck a 45 year old single mom with a mustache, online dating is absolutely useless.

          [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          After 37 the chances of you pulling 18-25 age group girls are going to be much lower.

          Meh. If you're not looking for relationships and just to hook up, then lower your age (so long as you can look the part in person).

          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Gray hair and I'm obviously not 30 anymore. Five years ago I could pull off 30, but no longer at 46. All I do is fuck buddies and short term, I have no use for an LTR. No bitch will ever hear me tell her I love her or anything close to it.

          Online is nowhere as effective as walking my dog.

          [–]bobbybluepill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Bingo. I'm in my early 30s but am constantly told I look mid-20s. I set my online stuff to "30" because a lot of girls under 25 will set 30 as their highest age limit.

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            [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Definitely for me. You hit 40 and the 20 somethings look at you as either a creepy old guy or bb. In person, whole different world.

            [–]loin_fruit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            This is great. Been looking around for a Tinder post for awhile now that covered almost every aspect. This is perfect. Thanks man.

            [–]my_redpill_account 2 points3 points  (5 children)

            For shirt less pics, do you have to have chiseled abs? While I have muscle I have some body fat so you can see the abs are there, you just don't see the six pack very well.

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              [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              That and having your forearm musculature clearly showing. It sounds retarded, I know, but it's something more than a handful of women have commented on.

              [–]my_redpill_account 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Thanks. Regardless I'm going to keep lifting.

              [–]Drekalo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Abdominal vacuums and planks focusing on the vacuum muscles bud. Transverse Abdominis.

              [–]SonicTRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Where's this android delay option?

              [–]Boovs4life 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              Saving this and will come back to it when i have improved myself enough. Just started lifting and working on myself thanks to this subreddit otherwise I'd still be watching porn and fapping away my chances of getting laid.

              [–]Drekalo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Progress report!? 5 lbs a month bro.

              [–]DigitalTherapy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Good luck man, don't give up. Don't let your dreams be dreams.

              [–]throwawayyourliberty 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Set up a bitcoin account darling.

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Alrighty. My Bitcoin address is 14V3TcExEZPMf6oyRKvxfLaqu2eaMBabhN

              [–]RICCIedm 2 points3 points  (5 children)

              OmLaLa makes the best guides EVER, very practical writings. I'll get back to using Tinder as I'm working too much and can't to go out 3x a week. Feeling confident with my new knowledge.

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

              I'm in a similar situation. Effective online dating makes it all so much easier.

              [–]RICCIedm 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Daygame is way more fun and challenging, though.

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              It's not about the challenge, it's about the result.

              Well, for me anyway. I don't knock daygamers though.

              I still daygame occasionally, I just never go out of my way to. House parties v. clubs.

              [–]RICCIedm 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              "I just never go out of my way to". That is the ideal daygame scenario: becoming a naturally social and flirty person.

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I'm as extroverted as the day is long.

              But on that note, I think daygame is something everyone should try at least a few times, especially while they're young.

              [–]bigcitytruth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Regarding flaking --

              If you're out getting dates, you'll have a number of flaked meetups. The way to counter this is to double or even triple-book. Yes, this means you'll have to flake on them.

              Give about 1 hour intervals on your date meetup times. You can tell within a half hour whether a date is promising. If date 1 is definitely going good (and I mean, you're about to make out), then excuse yourself to the bathroom and tell date 2 something came up and you want to reschedule for another time. If date 1 is neutral, say you have to leave, go on to date 2. Let's say date 2 stands you up, no problem, you still have date 3. If date 3 flakes, that's okay, just call up a pal around the corner and start picking up more women in the vicinity. Rinse, repeat. If you consistently do this at least a couple times a week, your abundance will build up to a crescendo. Yes, this might piss off your other dates but that's the reality of the game.

              [–]Profdiddy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Hey shitlords I am going on a tinder date. 1st one ever in fact. I have done okc and pof on several occasions. Will report back at some point in the week.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Having multiple girls tell me they are looking for hot dirty sex. Please advise, instructions unclear. Dick stuck in fan.

              This shit works.

              [–]Grifter32 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              I hooked up with 25-30 girls over summer from Tinder. I agree with everything you said except the opener of "hi". If you can come up with something clever that'll always be the better than "hi".

              I'll try out your way of setting up the date, but I usually invite them to do something I'm already going/wanting to do. I tell them, "I'm going to grab lunch at whatever at 1pm. Come with me". I tell them. I never ask them anything. If they can't make it then I don't reply back. I'll try again in a few days. Note: Before you start telling them make sure your SMV is there. Otherwise, like OP said they won't like it.

              If your SMV is there then BE A FUCKING LION with these women! Don't be scared of it going south. Abundance mentality my friends.

              One more thing: after I get the number. I text them "Hey it's Grifter. Save my number. You're going to need it". They love that. It's never failed me.

              [–]NiceTryDisaster 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Thank you so much. Great post.

              [–]SonicTRP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              loving how you always revise these dating guides OmLaLa. Since I'm feeling a bit more confident with my smv now I'm going in.

              [–]exceptionalEBOLA 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Does the texting section apply to girls you've met once and exchanged numbers with?

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Only towards women you haven't met.

              u/dr_warlock does a great job at addressing texting women you've already met.

              [–]exceptionalEBOLA 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Do you mean his post on gaming your ex?

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              That's the one. Although it caters to exes, the approach should be similar if I'm not mistaken.

              [–]Dbrown15 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              I've seen where a solid 50% of attractive women online make it a point to add, "if you just say hello or what's up, I won't reply." Granted, words don't mean much to women, but have you encountered this directly?

              [–]Drekalo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              hah, I hopped on eHarmony for a weekend and apparently they have an option to limit the minimum # of words they receive. Chicks can be like, "nuhuh, you gotta say at least 100 words to get MY attention!"

              Promptly closed the tab.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              No coincidence this pops up from you right when I'm about to dive back into online dating.

              Well played universe, great post.

              [–]kaljanas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Makes a lot of sense. Thank you for sharing your experience. Btw love all of your posts, pure gold + highly entertaining to read.

              [–]ChairBorneMGTOW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is really solid work. Thanks!

              [–]Moldy_Gecko 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Quick question. You put to say hi, but 70% or so of their shit says don't say just hi. What do you do then? My opener has always been just their name. It has garnered a huge response rate.

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Response is nothing without effective under-investment control. You'll want your messages to be as under-customized/tailored to the LSSW as possible.

              I wouldn't send their name as an initial message as it's tailored to that particular LSSW. Also, ignore headlines/bios that specifies not to say just "Hi". I see those all the time and still get to a close of some sort.

              If you're going to read an LSSW's bio/headline the key thing to watch for is for whom the message is intended.

              If is says things like "don't message me hi" or "not looking for just a hook-up", it's a message directed at men she considers of lower value than herself. If it says things like "message me" or "inbox me" or "stop looking you've found me" it's meant for men above her perceived SMV.

              Her response or lack thereof will tell you what she considers you, so it's a good way to gauge your perceived SMV amongst LSSW of a similar SMV when compared to hers. If she says "don't just say hi", you just say hi and she responds, phiscally she considers you more attractive than her. If she doesn't respond, she considers you just as attract (women don't fuck down or parallel) or less attractive than her.

              [–]Moldy_Gecko 1 point2 points  (4 children)

              Do you always just say K? Or do you engage as well? I just had a girl say I was a Leo, her favorite sign. I was thinking to reply with Yeah, We have a reputation. Or should I just K it? I would think just K would cause disinterest.

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              I've heard this question a lot.

              Continuing on tangents like this will likely lead to becoming a source of validation instead of a sexual one.

              Here's how it'd possibly play out (and you may have already had this happen before): the conversation concludes, you ask for her number and since she's been validated through your light convo on astrology, she'll only look for more of the same. Remember, you don't exist to her as a person until you've actually met. Until then, you're nothing more than another "feel-good" stimuli source no matter how attractive you may be. Since sex isn't possible with an imaginary friend, she'll stick to what you were just good for moments ago: a source of validation. She might then disregard your request for her number or your request to meet in person as meeting a validationary source in person is unnecessary.

              Though you can't see it from a male's bio, there are TONS -literally TONS- of guys on dating sites pouring validation like this onto these girls on a daily basis. That's why women will go days without checking their profile/inbox; they get so much validation that they'll only check their inbox when they need more.

              She feels ugly because she stood by some sexy girl at the gym the past two hours? Better check my dating profile and read through the hundreds of messages from guys who love me as I am.

              You don't want to be mistaken as one of these guys.

              [–]Moldy_Gecko 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              So, how would you respond to that without validation?

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I'd just say "K" or "Cool" honestly.

              [–]SeekingTheWay 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I know this guide is already really comprehensive but I am missing one point after the "you free this week". When she says "yes" or "yes, thursday" and doesn't ask what will you be doing or where to meet, how to best continue?

              I always felt like displaying dominance by saying "ok, meet me by XXX at 8" is the best way but you kinda make it sound you have better ways... please advice

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I think "ok, meet me by XXX at 8" is an appropriate response, sans the "ok," at the beginning and change the "by" to "at".

              That simple leaves "meet me at XXX at 8".

              Personally, I'd leave grammar completely absent are reply with "[address] [time of meet]". Remember, the shorter the better.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Some of this guide conflicts drastically with my experiences. Example, opening with "Hi" has never gotten a response, ever. Then again, I don't have a shirtless pic, or anything high SMV either. I suspect if you're successful with that profile pic you can open with anything "boring" and atill get a positive (any) response.

              [–]plentyoffishes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              "Don't be afraid of WonderTits™ one-word responses."

              I say, don't reward that behavior. If you are writing in sentences and she is sending back one word, sure she is interested but she will be a huge pain in the butt and probably not worth dating. If this happens, NEXT her.

              [–]__ROOSTER__ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I can't read this now, but will get back to it.

              Three years ago I screwed two new women a week for about six months and got most of them online. I learned a lot from it.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              The way to succeed at online dating? Have good looks.

              [–]Knownformadness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              My biggest problem with tinder is the messaging. I just don't know how to keep the ball movin, most girls in my country want to have a week long chat before anything yet talking to them is like throwing ball with a wall. I tried your example: * Me: Hi * Her: hello! :victorysign: :square: * Me: What are you looking for? * Her: What you are looking for! * Me: So you love playing with lego too? * Her: Haha for real! As long as the peices are small! * Me: I dont have those. I thought girls only liked big peices Her_ No but then there is no challenge! That was some minutes ago so we'll see if I get a response. I guess the main thing I'm lacking, and would require advice on, is how to bring the chat from hi how are you and worthless small talk to an actual date

              [–]Wille-zur-Macht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Damn, give this man a medal! Not gonna lie... first time I read this, I called it BS. Specially considering these lines sound extremely awkward in portuguese (my language) and contradict a lot of RP wisdom. Boy, was I wrong... It's bloody crazy how I can see them gushing their panties over the tubes. AWALT and AWALTE, I guess. Only part I disagree is about ugly girls. They're what I call fodder: worthy for practice and experimenting new lines, as well as distracting from the good ones, so you don't overgive them attention and better "bake" them, as OP says.

              [–]Syn3rgetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Noticed you go to raves too. Been seeing a lot of dudes at the clubs/raves trying to hit on the girls I bring with me to them. Been going almost every month for almost three years and I have never seen a single cold-approach at a rave work. I usually bring my own women (BYOW) and basically use the rave as a date. I've been having moderate success closing but could use tips to increase my chances of you have any.

              [–]Wille-zur-Macht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Lol, This "what you looking for" line gives margin to the most hilarious replies. Some so far include "someone. (new message) to pay me a pizza" and "not nemo". Mostly they just answer "don't really know, you?", to which I'm experimenting some lines, including "strong, independent wymen", just for laughs, and "right now, your phone number", but by default I stick to just "Women".

              [–]trpfieldreport 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Regular tinderer, decided to try "Hi" followed by "What are you looking for?"

              First girl I tried on "Not you lol" and blocked. 10/10 will do again haha.

              Legit made me laugh. Always looking for fun new ways to plate em.

              [–]Wille-zur-Macht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Damn. Just laugh it off, mate. Seems like you saved yourself from a bloody self-conceited bitch there.

              [–]tomysotomayorfuxboys 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Don't

              That sums up online dating IMO. Seriously, though, if it works for you, more power to you. I've found more effective routes to get what I want. Online dating doesn't provide enough reward for effort to be worth my time.

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I'd argue that this approach takes a very minute amount of effort all things considered. But to each his own.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

              Online dating is great for guys with low standards. HB9-10s don't need anymore validation and already have many options from RL.

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

              There are definitely HB9s and 10s on online dating sites.

              Validation isn't like hunger; it isn't just sated and then they're satified for a few months. Women always crave a better source.

              In addition the fact that online dating is catered to women (many "premium" features a woman's profile starts out with) leads to why the process of browsing online dating sites is so easy for them. Why wouldn't they at least join one to see if there's someone better than the Chad they're currently sleeping with?

              If you're only surrounded by HB4 and want to fuck an HB8, it makes sense. If you're surrounded by HB7s and you want to fuck HB9s, it makes sense. It's not that these hot women aren't being validated enough, they just want more. They want better.

              It's not only female nature, it's human nature.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              I think it depends on where you live. My town has about 100k people and I found no quality on okcupid that wasn't fake. Tinder is much better. I've had a couple tinder matches that never responded to me on okcupid (HB7-8) and there are many more 8-10s which are nonexistent on cupid. Tons of spambots though.

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I think it depends on where you live. My town has about 100k people and I found no quality on okcupid that wasn't fake.

              OKCupid is a trashcan where I live too. POF and Tinder are my Amazons for pussy at the moment.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Wow. POF has just the lowest common denominator of female in my area.

              OKCupid on the other hand is loaded with attactive women, many of whom are joining a recent polyamory movement.

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              [–]akjoltoy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Can't think of many ways to look more invested.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Thanks for this. It's so hard because as far as your advice on messaging, it flies in the face of what women say they want, and what I was stupid enough to listen to for so long. No wonder I had no success.

              [–]MAG1C_FL1GHT 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              In regards to text game, when should I text first?

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Soon after receiving her number.

              [–]MAG1C_FL1GHT 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I'm talking about when the conversation dies. Am I the only one that is supposed to initiate?

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              If the conversation dies online, you ask for her number. If it dies and you wait to long to ask, you're done.

              If you're texting and it dies, that's fine. More oft than not, she'l reach back out in a few days. Most women aren't used to guys killing convos. It'll intrigue her if anything.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              What do you say after you answered with "Same" here?

              NOTE: If she says “Friends and you?”, you respond with “Same” (no punctuation).

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              If she ends with "yeah" or "ok" or anything that ends the conversation, you ask for her number. If she asks you more questions, you say "only in person" or some similarly succinct response until she reaches a conversational conclusion.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              also after she asked you what you're looking for and you say "friends" what do you usually say after? what's your next topic?

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Depends on her response. If she ends with "yeah" or "ok" or anything that ends the conversation, you ask for her number. If she asks you more questions, you say "only in person" or some similarly succinct response until she reaches a conversational conclusion.

              [–]Stonish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              In case of no 14 I tend to chose location in which there is also something else to do so in case she didn't show up I don't have the time wasted (I always need to drive up to the city)

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