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Red Pill TheoryWe Don't Hate Sluts; We Just Recognize Their Low Value (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1Ronin11A

Summary

One of the common criticisms of the Red Pill philosophy is the supposed contradiction that results from our simultaneous disdain for sluts but willingness to still have sex with them. This "contradiction" is false, and the result of failure to understand what's really going on.

What is a slut?

A slut is commonly defined as a woman who has too many sexual partners. However, this is a superficial perspective. What really makes a slut so despised is their disregard for their own inherent value, and the fact that they give it away so freely.

Women are the gatekeepers of sex, something inherently valuable to men. Men have built and destroyed great empires and many lives in pursuit of the sexual pleasures of beautiful women. We assign (often foolishly) great value to sex. We view it as something worthy of conquest, of effort, and acknowledge that women have the right to withhold it for only the men that have proved themselves as deserving of it.

In this sense, we view sex as a marker of merit. A man who has ample sexual access to beautiful women, whether he's amassed great wealth, chiseled his body into a physical masterpiece, or simply honed his linguistic and social skills to their peak, has clearly done something to deserve the bounty of sex he reaps.

A slut, however, disregards all of this. We expect a woman to evaluate men carefully and be discriminating in her choice of sexual company. Instead, a slut gives that value freely to many different men based on fickle "feelz" and fleeting emotions. In doing so, her sex becomes less valuable because it's given so freely. Why would we work hard for something that's given away easily to so many?

What about men?

This is where it get interesting. Women, because they're the gatekeepers of sex, don't value it as highly as we do. Instead, they place the most value on commitment, the one thing men have control of. This makes the the White Knight, the FriendZoned, the Nice Guy, the male equivalent of the slut. Why? Because this guy comes to her aid, offers valiant defense, resources, and his protection based solely on the fact she's a woman and has a vagina.

Deep down, women inherently know that they have to earn a good man's commitment by being feminine and fucking his brains out to the point he can't get enough and wants to commit on his own accord. Just as men want to be the one that bagged that tight ass and perky tits, women want to be the one that bagged the high-quality guy. It's why, in the beginning of the relationship, the sex is plentiful, naughty, and things like breakfast in bed are common, as the woman is putting in effort to earn that commitment. In contrast, the White Knight/Nice Guy offers all of the commitment, without making the woman prove herself first as a quality woman. In doing so, he reveals that his commitment is of little value since, surprise, it's given so freely to any woman that walks by.

Nobody Respects a Slut!

Unsurprisingly, women get very upset by the manner in which men treat sluts while remaining oblivious to the fact they treat White Knights/Nice Guys with the same disregard and disdain. How many times have you heard a woman talk about how a guy was just "too nice" or "too good a friend" to have sex with? If, like Neo, you can see the code, you realize what she's really saying is, "He's too emotionally easy, and I don't respect or value his commitment because of it." It's quite literally the same thought process as a man who says, "She's a great bang, but she's not girlfriend material." As men, we don't hate sluts; we simply recognize their offering as low-quality and low value, and unworthy of commitment. We use them for the easy sex that they are, just as women use the Nice Guys as emotional tampons and ATMs for free drinks.

The irony is women understand this, even if it's on a subconscious, almost biological level. It's why they never date the Nice Guys until their physical currency begins to wane. It's why they get so upset when they're pumped and dumped or called sluts, as they recognize they're being accurately identified as being disposable and of low value to high-quality men. It's also why women are the first to call each other "sluts," as they know it cuts deeply. It's why women hate prostitution; if men can simply pay for sex, the whole girlfriend package is less appealing and women that offer it less valuable. It's competition, but at the price point they can't match.

In contrast, "slut walks" and "feminist empowerment" are the social equivalent of unions, essentially trying to lower the standards bar while raising the asking price simultaneously. If the value of slutty women is artificially raised, girls won't have to try so hard to be feminine, charming, actually got to the gym to maintain an attractive figure.

Lessons Learned

  • Both men and women value most what the opposite controls, and all sexual interaction that follows is essentially a power struggle.
  • Like in economics, value is determined by scarcity.
  • A slut will go have sex with dozens of men, then try to make the next man "wait" because she's "not like that anymore."
  • By having sex with so many men, she's devalued her brand equity and made her offering low-quality.
  • Attempting to make the next man then wait and "earn" that sexual reward she gave so easily to other men is charging premium prices for what is now a bargain good.
  • Women are physical sluts; men are emotional sluts.
  • Women treat emotional sluts with the same disdain that we treat physical sluts. If men are hypocrites for pumping and dumping sluts, then women are the same for using and abusing Nice Guys.
  • Don't be a slut, and understand your own value.

EDITED for typos and clarity.


[–][deleted] 152 points153 points  (108 children)

Exactly this. Sluts are fun when they are having sex with you and might be chill to talk to or drink with, but never commit to one.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (70 children)

never commit to one.

Made that mistake once. She was a hot, thin 24 year old Italian brunette with huge tits (HB8), very intelligent (IQ 130+), massive daddy issues, and dark triad as fuck. Horrible, horrible combination. Literally the most dangerous kind of woman imaginable. That alone woke me up to a lot of Red Pill truths before I even swallowed the pill.

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (23 children)

I always find it amazing how society tries to tell us that what she did in the past doesn't matter. Especially with the whole Slut Walk that the alpha widow, Amber Rose did. It's like they want men to commit to women that sleep around. To that I say, no thanks.

[–]GoingTheHardWay 53 points54 points  (16 children)

It's like they want men to commit to women that sleep around. To that I say, no thanks.

its not like that. It is exactly that.

They want to be able to "explore their youth" until they hit the wall - with none of the consequences of doing so. Lots of women (people in general really) FEEL entitled to the fairy tale ending but don't want to give up the instant gratification lifestyle that prevents that.

[–]melliescomingover 25 points26 points  (6 children)

The good news is that as men, we have the power to grant/deny that commitment as and when we choose. We have the upper hand.

The bad news is there are plenty of cucked beta bux willing to wife these slatterns and commit to a lifetime of misery. If women are allowed to behave badly and be rewarded for it, they're going to continue doing it. Why wouldn't they?

tl;dr When it comes to marriage or LTR's, men must stop enabling sluts + rewarding their slutty behaviour with a big fat diamond ring.

[–]zue3 8 points9 points  (2 children)

So many guys on trp don't yet understand this. If you have any self esteem at all, don't commit to a non virgin. What's that you say? There are no virgins? Then don't fucking commit. It's that simple.

The amount of times these self proclaimed red pillers have tried to ridicule and shame me for saying this is hilarious.

I value myself enough to know that my commitment is worthy of nothing less than a virgin. Until I find one, I won't commit. What do I gave to lose from waiting? Nothing.

So if any of you want to pay a premium price for used pussy, be my guest. That's all your worth then.

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      [–]melliescomingover 23 points24 points  (1 child)

      Thats pretty reductionist. Women's sexual liberation has resulted in positives: more sluts to go around and greater sexual freedom.

      However it has also brought with it enormous disadvantages and social problems. Since the pill was invented in the 50's and the sexual revolution of the 60's, the rates of STDs, teenage pregnancies, single mothers, broken families, divorce, divorce-rape and false rape accusations have skyrocketed. Womens N-counts are higher than ever before, which directly correlates with dissatisfaction and fidelity rates within marriage and LTRs. It's no coincidence that all this has happened within the last 50-60 years. What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander.

      So for people such as myself who do eventually want marriage and kids and to raise them in a healthy, stable environment, of course it's a concern. I want my children to have a good mother and a good start in life. Providing that is now harder than ever before.

      Obviously TRP culture is changing men's lives, otherwise there wouldn't be so many subscribers and success stories. It certainly has the potential to become a mainstream movement for men, just as feminism has become a mainstream movement (read: cult) for women. It's never too late to swallow the red pill.

      Again, minimizing.

      [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children)

      Exactly. I mean I have slept with many different women, but it's not as easy for men and I'm not really looking for a fairy tale ending. Not because a fairy tale ending wouldn't be great, but because they don't exist. Maybe I will get into some LTRs, but I'm definitely not marrying or having kids. Maybe a couple of dogs and a cat.

      [–]razormachine 19 points20 points  (2 children)

      And this is why woman who had slept with a lot of guys is considered a slut, and man who had slept with a lot of girls is considered, a f... hero. All she has to do is not look like a complete trash, wait for a man and spread her legs at the right time. And that sidebar on the right is the representation of all the things man has to do to get the woman to spread their legs.

      [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      Exactly. Heck, that's why you see disgusting women who still get laid. I mean a guy could be considered an 8, yet just to even get a make out session, has to be dressed right, say all the right things and pass every stupid shit test. Yet if a woman is an 8, she just has to show up and say YES.

      https://youtu.be/pbvrGiL_s70

      [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Hilarious, thanks. Didn't know about him.

      [–]DarthRoach 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      And this is why every successful civilization ever has been sexually repressive. The men simply can't be arsed otherwise.

      [–]Stythe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      This frustrates me because youth is naivety. It's up to the generation before them to help guide them. Many women people pumped and dumped and claiming empowerment are people who may have avoided it if everyone wasn't doing it or if they knew the consequences. This is true of men as well. Those who knew how reality was might have spent tI'm in their youth planning a better future.

      It's not accurate to day it's not their fault for not knowing, but it certainly isn't accurate to totally blame them for their ignorance. Since the baby boomers people have had no proper guide me.

      [–]menial_optimist 13 points14 points  (2 children)

      My friends new wife, who is now 26 and has found jesus, dated a 27 year old coke dealer when she was 17.

      On the surface she puts on an innocent caring girly girl facade, but my gut tells me she's got deep slut issues that she hasn't dealt with.

      Why does my gut tell me that? Well, when she drunkenly groped one of our friends, that's what. Decided to not tell our husband friend.

      [–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      A few years ago I'd say tell him, but now, don't tell him anything. Let him find out the hard way his wife is a slut. Hell even if you told him he probably wouldn't believe you

      [–]yaysmr 14 points15 points  (12 children)

      Smart, sociopathic, and Daddy issues?

      TERRIFYING to behold. You can never, ever let your guard down because you never know if what they're showing you is the truth, or just what they want you to think at that given moment.

      They seem to enjoy seeing which of your buttons they can push and get away with it, and they are experts at weeding out your weaknesses. And they hold that shit in reserve, only to pull it out when you least expect it.

      In other words, they will mindfuck you and probably leave you LIKING it, all while making you FEEL like you're in control.

      I won't say run from these types, but DO NOT get close.

      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I have fun playing with these girls, they think they can get me to do what they wish, I'm a step ahead and pay along until I have gotten as much of what I want. Then I go full beta begging for sex and they leave with a minimum of drama. So far none of them had ever caught on that I was using her rather than her using me.

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        [–]Kumrag 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        deleted What is this?

        [–]yomo86 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        If this story checks out.. well.. you know for certain that there is a god

        [–]Rommel0502 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Never ever commit to a woman who has even the slightest of strained relationship with her father. If there is one truism Ive learned in my life, its daddy issues = disaster.

        [–]melb22 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Exactly. That is also one of my life lessons. Women who have warm, secure relationships with their fathers are much more likely to be securely family oriented.

        [–]evileddy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Was her name, Laura, by chance?

        [–]garlicextract 4 points5 points  (4 children)

        very intelligent (IQ 130+),

        So you're claiming she was in the 97th percentile? Unless she had advanced degrees or something else to validate this, I'm quite skeptical. I'm not sure people realize how rare a 130 IQ is, and yes, we all know people who claim to have been 145 IQ when they were tested as a child. It's bullshit.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The school district we went to administered IQ tests to children

        [–]Rommel0502 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Haha. Ive laughed at this one quite a bit myself over the years. On the Stanford-Binet scale, Mensa begins at 132, or the top 2%.

        The fact of the matter is 95+% of the population falls within two standard deviations of the mean, or mean +/- 30 depending upon which scale you use (70-130). I must have met around 20+ people who've claimed to me that they or their children have a 140+ IQ. Despite some of the circles Ive been in, the math simply doesnt support that.

        [–]wiseprogressivethink 2 points3 points  (7 children)

        Sounds like a lot of fun to be around, but just awful to be with.

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

        When I tried to dump her, she basically said (in powertalk) that she would kill herself if I did

        [–]wiseprogressivethink 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That's pretty much the ultimate chick trump card, amirite?

        [–]DarthRoach 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        I honestly don't get this. Why does such a tactic even work? As far as I know, no court will convict you just because some cunt anheroed to spite you. Plus, if you call her bluff immediately, she's far less likely to go through with it.

        [–]capt_quackers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I suppose many men in a situation like this honestly believe the woman making such threats feels so miserable that she might go ahead and do that, because society keeps telling us that women are oh so sensitive and fragile, and so they don't see that as a calculated emotional blackmail that it most often is.

        [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Bet you had some extremely hawt fun before she went full retard on you.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Yep. It didn't take long either

        [–]RetiredTimeHo 35 points36 points  (4 children)

        Sluts are fun when they are having sex with you

        A slut is a woman who'll fuck anyone

        A bitch is a woman who'll fuck anyone but you

        [–]babybopp 20 points21 points  (2 children)

        Reminds me of a friend of mine with a level 50 Thousand Cock Stare. Wisconsin girl who in the two semesters I knew her, had rode more than 65 + guys. She then switched colleges and it took me a while to realize that she had tapped out resources and was already known as a slut in many circles. Her identity as a slut was compromised. She was a junior who had been to 3 colleges. Naturally the slut did what sluts do, went study abroad. clean slate. She can probably even called herself a virgin.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Yeah I know someone posted how traveling and studying abroad is the cc on steroids for women

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          [–]wiseprogressivethink 22 points23 points  (10 children)

          Best blow job I ever had (seriously, when I came I'm pretty sure my tadpoles hit the ceiling, and I thought I was stroking out) was from a gal with severe daddy issues who had already fucked or blown basically all my guy friends. She did some Bobbi Bliss-style shit that was mind-blowing. A gag-spit-twist thing. And she was just 18.

          I, being so blue-pilled at the time I must have looked like a character from Avatar, made the mistake of liking her (not just the sex, but her). We had a relationship that lasted for a couple weeks until I broke up with her because I got cucked while at work. When I found out about her cheating (she told me), she - I kid you not - smiled at my horrified reaction.

          Sluts can be wonderful creatures, guys, but never, ever commit to one.

          Edit: Oh yeah, forgot to mention - since we're in the same circle of old high school friends, she and I are "friends" on Facebook. It appears that she's hit The Wall (she's approaching her late 30s, unmarried, no kids, getting chubby), and I recently noticed that she's in a "serious relationship" with this short bald guy who just so happens to have a really good job. Fucking classic.

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            [–]Repeated_Accidents 9 points10 points  (1 child)

            This is the best way I've ever heard a future divorce put.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I legitimately lol'd, no exaggeration.

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (13 children)

            What constitutes a slut?

            I always hear RPers say if you're not fucking on your first date, you're doing something wrong. How do I tell if a girl is slutty or just under my spell?

            [–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Experience mostly. At this point it doesnt really matter as you shouldnt be investing in a relationship anyway if you havent banged enough to know. Spin plates or do the serial monogamy thing if you prefer it (dont go live together and dont fucking marry).

            Once you have enough experience to be able to screen girls you can consider investing a bit in a relationship.

            [–]adam_varg 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            You cant know if girl didnt put out soon because of not enough attraction, playing games or whatever reason. She could fuck thousand men and then let you wait for six months.

            Be (or try to act if you arent) maximally openminded and laidback about everything sex related. Then make it kind of game, as guy above wrote, who is more filthy.

            If you pull it right you will get her confess all of her desires, fantasies and history. If you are very good at this and perform like god in bed you will help her to find out things that she didnt know or admitted to herself.

            From this you can expect that she is interested in: very rough sex with little degradation/humiliation on top of that, having sex with multiple guys at once (threeways for non kinky girls, rape gangbangs for rest), in my experience most girls are into former, some filthy fetish in like half of girls (cumplay, anal stuff, roleplay), sometimes hothusband/cuckqueening. Of course there are some 100% vanilla girls, but i have yet to met one in my 17yrs of sex life.

            Above is normal. What makes girl slut is no or little self control how she act on these urges, level of her selfesteem and her reasons to have sex.

            Personally dont see nothing wrong at all with girl being slut, but its major minus point in SWOT analysis when evaluating possibility of relationship, not taking it in consideration would be stupid, careless and immature.

            [–]1Ronin11A[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            I always hear RPers say if you're not fucking on your first date, you're doing something wrong.

            It depends on your goals. I will never LTR a girl I fucked on the first date.

            If she sleeps with you on the first night, she's slutty.

            [–]askmrcia 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            Great question. And really you're going to get different answers. Because it's really up to you to decide. And keep in mind no one here can really answer this in words only.

            Before I answer, don't pay attention to what some red pillers say. If you're not fuckin on the first date, it doesn't mean you're doing something wrong. You can't take what people say here as a definite rule and run away with it.

            Now I'll try and answer your question. You can tell a girl is a slut through her actions, body language and attitude on MOST occasions. For instance, a girl that drinks alot, grinds on a bunch of different guys in a club and you happen to bang her on the first date. Huge slut. But guess what? She could make you wait a week or two before you bang. Still huge slut. It's the way she carries herself.

            Now I had a girl from tinder last month who seemed real chill. She was Asian, in medical school, didn't party, had very few friends, loved hiking, wasn't a social media whore, and barely drinked. Sounds like a unicorn right?

            Well during the first date I made out with her. I could tell she was ready to give it up. Second date we hung, she sucked me off in a parking lot. She wouldn't let me have sex with her because she told me not on the second date. But she sucked me off.

            That's a slut to me. The thing was I was actually starting to like her UNTIL she sucked me off because that just felt so dirty, slutty and sleezy. I mean the blow Job was good, but I lost all respect for her once she did that.

            I can keep going. Point is, there is no clear cut definition of a slut. They can have you wait for sex or allow you to have sex on the first date. Doesn't mean anything. The best way to tell a girl is a slut is if she is making it easy for guys to have sexual activities with her. This ranges from blow jobs, intercourse, dry humping, making out, groping, ect....

            I just don't count intercourse. I count all types of sexual activities. Even having slutty pics of herself on social media counts. So yea a girl that makes herself sexually available and allows guys to do sexual activities easily with her is a slut. A guy should have to work for those things, not obtain it in an easy way. So yes going by my definition MOST western women are sluts.

            [–]SudoAptGetMeASammich 3 points4 points  (3 children)

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            What is this?

            [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            What works is taking all the information in. Spot correlations and overlapping truths and take what works and drop what doesn't. But this is simply how people have always learned- through trail and error.

            [–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Yea i learned a long time ago to not take what people say on here including the endorsed guys opinions as rules.

            [–]SudoAptGetMeASammich 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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            What is this?

            [–]kanji_sasahara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Am I a terrible person that I enjoy them more if they have a husband or boyfriend? Some of the best hook ups I've had are with brides to be.

            [–]Swoledinger 66 points67 points  (10 children)

            Sluts are to celebrated. The market is saturated with product and inventory is being moved at an all time low.

            No matter how low the price goes, women will still compete to be a better product. She will still seek validation. To differentiate herself (now that cost has leveled out at 0) she will improve her quality. I'm excited to see the levels of sluttiness the newest generation is bringing to the SMP.

            Now free those nipples, show dem titties, and get some validation you third wave feminist.

            [–]melliescomingover 24 points25 points  (2 children)

            That's one good thing about liberal feminism - women seem to see sluttiness as empowering nowadays. Men are winning, whereas they're losing value all the time. It's hilarious. Not complaining though. More pussy for everyone.

            [–]RPFlame 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            You won't believe the amount of idiots who actually think the same. "She's just sexually liberated and had her fun, no need to judge her".

            RP men are winning, not the BP kind of man who'd feel comfortable being the last pick aka. the leftover.

            [–]marty2k 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Third wave feminism has mostly been awesome for alpha men. It has been horrendously destructive for beta men. The rich get richer.

            [–]Lesninore 19 points20 points  (4 children)

            This viewpoint is very short-sighted because these sluts will be bringing in bastard children, who will then commit toe more broken homes and anti-social behavior.

            Essentially it's off-loading the misery on to their children. You gain is that child's pain.

            Let's not celebrate any races to the bottom. Sluts should be scorned, nobody wants to be born to a single mother...

            [–]draketton 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            Birth control exists.

            Single mothers are a different type of woman. A single mother is a woman who takes a calculating look at the social and financial incentives for having a child and decides "even though I don't care about raising a stable family, it's in my best interest to give birth to and raise a kid." It's a selfish, coldly logical decision which is completely decoupled from the desire to have lots of casual sex while on birth control.

            [–]Wilreadit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Just wear a condom or squirt in her ass, gosh

            [–]Wilreadit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I love sluts. I just do not want to be around once I am done loving

            [–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (18 children)

            I used to not shame sluts until they started bragging about their "conquests", like showing up and spreading your legs is an accomplishment.

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              [–]RedMoonAscendant 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I was out at some clubs recently. A couple cougars hit on me. Obviously I wasn't going to be an antisocial asshole. I chatted with them a little while, made them laugh, then graciously made my exit.

              I'm sure they both wrote something just like the above in their blogs about how they still had it, and could have bagged me.

              [–]2Overkillengine 37 points38 points  (3 children)

              They make the mistake of equating their value with the value of the man that is willing to bust a nut in them.

              When a more accurate assessment would be equating their value with the value of a man willing to commit to them.

              This is probably a maladapted holdover behavior from when men had to commit to get sexual access.

              [–]JackGetsIt 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              They make the mistake of equating their value with the value of the man they get find that is willing to bust a nut in them.

              This perfectly explains the alpha widow. They've 'slept' with the best, they feel entitled to that access now, and they spend the rest of their life dejected and forlorn that they don't have it.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Exactly. I will admit that on the down low, I have slept with some ugly or fat girls, but no way in hell would I even consider committing to them.

              [–]1Ronin11A[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              When a more accurate assessment would be equating their value with the value of a man willing to commit to them.

              I like this a lot. Well put.

              [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              That is so true. I remember talking to a girl on I think tinder and we were texting a bit and she was bragging about guys she has slept with, like its some accomplishment. I didn't end up meeting with her because she was busy or whatever, but even then, she would have been pump and dump at best. Come to think of it, she wasn't even that great looking.

              [–]evileddy 33 points34 points  (0 children)

              "I fucked 10 guys last week... fuck I'm gooood"

              "I beat up 10 kindergarden kids this week.. fuck I'm stroooong"

              [–]wiseprogressivethink 7 points8 points  (6 children)

              Exactly.

              Two scenarios:

              A guy shows up at a bar, freshly showered and groomed, wearing stylish clothing. He has white teeth and isn't missing any. His breath is fresh and he has no BO. He is social, friendly, outgoing, confident, gregarious. He is HWP. He chats up some young ladies and pays for a few drinks. After expending all this time, effort, and expense, his odds of getting laid that night - 33%

              A woman shows up at a bar. She hasn't showered in two days. Her hair is a rat's nest. She's basically wearing pajamas. Her teeth are yellowed from cigarette smoking. She just sits at the bar not talking or making eye contact with anyone. She is overweight, bordering on obese. Her odds of getting laid that night (if she wants to) - 100%

              [–]jonknownothing 4 points5 points  (4 children)

              are you sure about this? I've never seen this ugly type get chatted up by anyone

              [–]JourneymanTRP 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              This is the kind of woman that makes the first move

              [–]wiseprogressivethink 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Around closing time, they get chatted up.

              [–]wiseprogressivethink 8 points9 points  (1 child)

              Very good post.

              Sluts are fine when they are few and far between. These days, they are on their way to becoming the majority - http://imgur.com/vDlF3y2 And that's when it becomes a serious societal problem.

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              [–]1Ronin11A[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Good feedback. I adjusted it.

              [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (9 children)

              Without sluts, getting laid would be so much harder. Although on the other hand, if there were less sluts, there might be more quality women around.

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                [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                That's the dream. Sadly, women can actually do the AF/BB, and get away with it too, as long as they get off the CC before they're to old.

                [–]SudoAptGetMeASammich 1 point2 points  (3 children)

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                What is this?

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                  [–]scarletspider3 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  The great conundrum of our time

                  [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Well, if you put some effort in, you always get something. It just so happens that what's up for grabs right now is sluts. It used to be quality women, or so i'm told.

                  [–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  It all depends on what you are looking for. LTR or casual sex.

                  [–]J_AsapGem 19 points20 points  (3 children)

                  This is where it get interesting. Women, because they're the gatekeepers of sex, don't value it as highly as we do.

                  omg finally someone said it, i've been thinking about this recently women disregard their sex as not a big deal while we take it as something of enormous value, so we get upset when they give it away to another man, because it's " extremely " valuable to us, to her it's probably like going for a swim or something not a big deal, maybe that's why women fuck so easily sex isn't a big deal for them so they reward you if you let them have fun or " feelz ", honestly bro this thread isn't getting the amount of recognition it deserve this is beautifully written and solid facts.

                  [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

                  Exactly. It's why men think physical cheating is the worst thing out there, while women are more devastated by emotional cheating. Both are bad, but there is a definite difference.

                  [–]Eze-Wong 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                  In evo psych theory it's compounded further by the fact that a woman, doesn't ever have to care about who she is sleeping with or who her man really sleeps with. She is always secured a genetic offspring no matter what. Whereas a man has everything to worry about that shit constantly. If a man only sleeps with one woman, and she sleeps with everyone, he has no idea if his genes get passed on.

                  He is done... Which is why we fucking lose our shit when women cheat with sex. It's not the same for women, women lose their shit when guys notice other women, or fall in love with someone else or commit emotionally to another girl.

                  I've seen this in action so many times. There are two girls who sit with me at a table. Neither have any interest in me at all. I tend to show interest in one of them and then the other one gets INSANELY jealous. She tries everything to get my favor (including sex).

                  This has always been the formula I've noticed when I get the most insane attention from girls. Hit on the ugly friend, and the hot will bend over backwards to get you. I read later that this was in "the game" and other men apparently found this out too.

                  Problem is, such women tend to be insane...

                  [–]J_AsapGem 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  It's not the same for women, women lose their shit when guys notice other women, or fall in love with someone else or commit emotionally to another girl.

                  Completely contrast to men, she's worried about losing the alpha that she wants to reproduce with to make kids with good genes, life is interesting man when you take a closer look at it, everything you said is true.

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                  [–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 32 points33 points  (3 children)

                  We love sluts. We have the best sluts. Some of my closest friends are sluts. They tell me, what you are doing at TRP is good. Sluts will help us make TRP great again.

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                    [–]of_course_jeeves 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    A small loan of a million sluts

                    [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 16 points17 points  (12 children)

                    I'm fine with people hating sluts; it means more for me. Thank goodness for sluts! It's like having a clearance sale on sex with hot women.

                    [–]1Sir_Distic 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                    Thank you. I love me some sluts, harlots, tramps, women of loose morals, hoes, and even slam pigs.

                    [–]Leangainzfordayz 0 points1 point  (6 children)

                    So should you never open up emotionally to a slut (e.g., talk about your dreams and passions or seem vulnerable)? or only after they bang you?

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                      [–]RedSugarPill 17 points18 points  (1 child)

                      Never open up emotionally to a woman, unless you don't want to have sex with her. That is a very well-known tactic for false betafication (i.e., a tactic for soft-nexting someone you want to get rid of--or a way to kill attraction, e.g., with a business partner/friend that you need for purposes other than sex).

                      [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Never, is the operative word here.

                      [–]J_AsapGem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      they basically bang you because of the way you made them feel most like, sluts normally bang any guy they had " fun " with or anyone that excites their emotions, what you're suggesting is most likely a bad idea

                      [–]wiseprogressivethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      True, although most sluts aren't hot.

                      [–]Your_Coke_Dealer 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                      Sluts are like fast food: easy and cheap to get, probably not healthy for you in the long run, and always hit the spot.

                      [–]nohomeforthebrave 10 points11 points  (5 children)

                      Know this...

                      There is a whole sub-reddit where Women make fun of "nice guy" men.

                      Often, all these men do is give them a compliment or ask them on a date, and they get berated on the Internet like disgusting pests or low class filth.

                      Women certainly don't give a fuck about the "feelings" of these guys, so those of us who are on the other side of the coin, the ones who these Women desperately chase, need to remind them that it goes the other way too.

                      [–]1Ronin11A[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                      Often, all these men do is give them a compliment or ask them on a date, and they get berated on the Internet like disgusting pests or low class filth.

                      Exactly. They're emotional sluts, and women laugh at them.

                      If you're truly still questioning whether society is gynocentric and has double-standards, imagine a sub-reddit where men shared pictures and correspondence from sluts and laugh about how rough they are with them. Imagine the response from SJWs, feminists, and the media.

                      But mocking Nice Guys and White Knights is totally kosher.

                      [–]RedMoonAscendant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      That's the matriarchy we live in, for sure.

                      [–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I saw that thread and honestly I think most women on there are fat, unattractive or just have no life at all because it's nothing but bullying.

                      If anyone tries to compare that sub to this one, you have to realize red pill has both theories and facts. On that sub they do nothing but make fun of people on there. And I know we get on betas, but not like they do on there. They seem to be stuck in the anger phase on that sub.

                      [–]WildmanThaGod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      This is probably among the best things I've ever read on TRP and I agree with everything.

                      [–]razormachine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                      This makes the the White Knight, the FriendZoned, the Nice Guy, the male equivalent of the slut. Why?

                      Fucking yes! White Knight is a man who is "selling" his goods to cheap, and a slut is a woman who is "selling" her goods too cheap. Both of them have low value and get no respect because of that.

                      [–]Shankar_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                      I literally don't understand how anybody can not agree with this post. Every single sentence is pure logic, this reads like a math equation.

                      [–]sassypaella 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      My perspective on this, as follows,

                      Women with high n-counts tend to give sex away not for the purely physical pleasure of it, but as a coin: they want commitment, comfort... You name it. Men who carelessly give commitment away are the same: they don't do it due to an stablished relationship of respect and trust, but as a way to achieve something.

                      Would a woman respect those guys? No. They are weak, volatile men who will give their everything to everyone. They will be 'too friendly' to gain some kindness in return. In the same vein, a slut will give sex away as a mean to get comfort or any kind of positive feedback. Could you trust that woman to be faithful to you? I wouldn't.

                      Another point is the nature of sex. A sexually active man is one who can dominate women, who can achieve his carnal goals. He is a powerful man. A sexually active woman is one who considers many men to be superior to her, who considers them to be worth their submission.


                      Of course, some women will really enjoy casual sex in a healthy way. They are the least, so I don't care about them.

                      [–]IDontKnowAnymore3456 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      A slut will go have sex with dozens of men, then try to make the next man "wait" because she's "not like that anymore."

                      If you see this as artificial scarcity, you might recognize that's parallel to what De Beers cartel did to diamond industry.

                      [–]docbloodmoney 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Speak for yourself, every normal man instinctually is revolted by sluts

                      [–]PheromoneVoid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      Are you kidding? I fucking love sluts. I mean it. They suck mean cock, they generally know what they're doing, and they actually make an effort in bed.

                      And some are great to talk to. If she's exceptional, she's a bro and a hoe all in one.

                      [–]ghee99 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      I agree.

                      I never had any disdain for sluts

                      in fact, I love sluts.

                      As far as I am concerned, there is nothing better.

                      Besides, a self-aware slut knows what she is, and as such, she won't bug you after you've banged her expecting a relationship (something that women who don't consider themselves sluts do all the time - can you say annoying?)

                      and a slut is almost always willing to take the second fiddle role when you find someone better, and then a slut will also be there afterwords when you want to bang her again (without her needing you to explain anything - sluts just "get it").

                      As for "no one respects a slut", that may be true, but when i'm looking for a hot, pleasing to my eye, sexually adventurous woman to have fun with, I'm not worried about respect. so in that sense, a slut is perfect.

                      so yeah... i know i never felt that we didn't like sluts (i know i never said i didn't like them).

                      its just that different women have different purposes. For example, when i want help in finding a library book, i don't want a slut, i want a librarian.

                      when i want sex, easy access to pussy, or just some awesome sexual female energy around me, i want a slut.

                      It just depends upon what you want at the moment. In my case, I'm usually hoping for sex more often than a library book, for example

                      ...and as such, its a slut that i want around most of the time (luckily, sluts are plentiful) so any man who likes them is a lucky man indeed.

                      [–]xertlust 5 points6 points  (10 children)

                      Not bad, but maybe in order would be a post about how to find and attract quality women. TRP men have lots of experience with sluts. Quite near a monopoly I would think.

                      [–]1Ronin11A[S] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

                      how to find and attract quality women

                      Have you been outside lately? They're an endangered species.

                      [–]RobertCarraway 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      We should start a preserve. In all seriousness - they are so rare that we should be introducing each OTHER to them. I'd say every RP man probably knows ONE available quality woman on average (out of a normal, healthy sized social circle consisting of hundreds of peers).

                      We should be aggressively pairing these women with RP friends. I assume you guys have RP friends. If you don't? Get some.

                      [–]RedMoonAscendant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I have a job where I meet a lot of people. I haven't met any quality women (in the key 18-24 demographic) in the past decade. The current generation really is fucked.

                      [–]1ToSeeAndToHear 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      Plenty on here about seeking out unicorns. Look for women with strong father figures, parents still together, low n-count, and no mental illnesses.

                      Just remember all women are, at the very least, like the typical bar/club slut. It's a spectrum.

                      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                      How to find and attract quality. Ok Don, joust those windmills, chase that unicorn, believe the myth.

                      When you step into reality, we'll be here.

                      [–]xertlust 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                      Do you even realize what you're telling me here?

                      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      I know full well what I'm saying. There are no unicorns, no "high quality" girls, because every one of them can and will do the same bullshit.

                      [–]SudoAptGetMeASammich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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                      What is this?

                      [–]Phlecks 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                      Why are you putting SO MUCH value on sex here? This is crazy.

                      [–]RedMoonAscendant 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      What would you place higher value upon?

                      [–]Phlecks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I just never need sex to feel validated or like I'm happy. In life, I put value on friends, parties, making money, food, all that ahead of sex.

                      [–]1Ronin11A[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      Why are you putting SO MUCH value on sex here?

                      Because TRP is about sexual strategy. Read the fucking side-bar.

                      [–]Phlecks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      No, I mean like, in life. It seems from this post that you really put a ton of value in sex in your day to day life.

                      [–]not_an_ashtray 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      All of the science like opinions i read here make me think you guys dont really have a clue :(

                      [–]wont_tell_i_refuse_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Holy fuck, I've been thinking about making a post like this for the past year. Mostly in the BP sections of Reddit. They don't understand that the reason RPers avoid sluts is that sluts cheat.

                      We're not moralists, we avoid things because they lack utility to us.

                      [–]1Ronin11A[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      the reason RPers avoid sluts is that sluts cheat.

                      No, we avoid them because they offer a low-quality good, but try to charge high-quality prices.

                      A slut will go have sex with dozens of men, then try to make me "wait" because she's "not like that anymore." By having sex with so many men, she's devalued her brand equity and made her offering low-quality. By attempting to make me then wait and "earn" that sexual reward she gave so easily to other men is an attempt to charge premium prices for what is now a bargain good.

                      Fidelity isn't even in the picture.

                      [–]maggieG42 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      I often do not like what is written on here, but on this I believe you are correct.

                      I believe it is like this when a man and a woman first start dating a woman wants the man to try and get her into bed as it makes her feel beautiful, sexy and that he is very physically attracted to her. The man on a superficial level wants her to say yes as that gives him easy sex but on a more deeper level he wants her to say No for the first few times he tries.

                      [–]RedMoonAscendant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I never like what is written on TheRedPill.

                      I fucking hate the truth.

                      I am glad someone is out there doing the thankless job of writing the shitty truth into our national psyche, though.

                      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                      Absolutely saving this. Good shit.

                      [–]Red_Trojan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I find it rather strange how we get the bad wrap for slut shaming. Reality would have that Bp men and even women are the ones to do this. Men angry that all these youthful and extremely sexual women won't pay them any light. And better yet on the women side, writhing that they are not getting the attention.

                      We love sluts :') through and through.

                      [–]scarletspider3 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                      I guess sluts are good as long as they don't get praised. Sluts lower the price of pussy across the board. we just have to make sure that women act right to compete with the sluts.

                      [–]suckmyfish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      This is such a high quality post.

                      [–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Excellent understanding of the nuances. Clearly written in a logical fashion that's easy to digest.

                      I read this yesterday and didn't have time to comment. It's quality posts like this which make me believe there's still hope in TRP. Have a point. ♂

                      [–]1Ronin11A[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      High praise coming from you. I'm honored. Thank you.

                      [–]Redpill_Hannibal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      What really makes a slut so despised is their disregard for their own inherent value, and the fact that they give it away so freely.

                      In my opinion, whether a chick is a slut or not is highly contextual. For example some random chick fucks guys who are 2 meters tall and ride only BMW. You might say that bitch has standards that some of us would never meet. BUT once a girl finds herself in a bus full of NBA players, she might be passed between them just like a ball, UNLESS she would readjust her standards.

                      How would you guys judge chick like that?

                      [–]bergkampinthesheets 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Wow, perfectly worded. A lot of the comments here are about sluts being sluts, but an important takeaway is that if you're friendzoned, its YOUR fault.

                      [–]bountyhunterdjango 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      This is a bad road to go down red pill, encouraging girls to be more frigid is fucking stupid. More sluts = more sex, and since sex is the primary goal of this sub, this post is redundant. I love sluts and you should too.

                      [–]Mister-guy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Thank you. This is exactly what I needed to read.

                      [–]Tarnsman4Life 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      "They for everybody Pass them all around, they at every party They ain't gon be loyal, not for anybody Still I love these hoes"

                      [–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      You could have replaced sluts by women.

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                      [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                      It's also why women hate prostitution

                      Women hate hoes because they know that they will be hot fucks. Her man will pick the hottest bitch out there- and there's no way in hell she could ever compete. Thus her man will treat her worse because he got jaded by escort pussy.

                      They do the same shit right now by fucking high value Chads whom they could never get commitment from. Then they get alpha widowed and blame it all on the next guy she LTR's- who is actually from her SMV.

                      This is why women who fall in this category deserve to be treated badly.

                      [–]dates_only_chinese 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                      Prostitutes are only competition if all you offer is sex.

                      [–]1Ronin11A[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Given that most women today are overweight, incompetent in the kitchen, unfeminine and swear like sailors, they literally offer nothing else.

                      [–]jtzabor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Thats not what I saw on the front page the other day!! I read that TRP is bad and stupid must be true.... of course I didnt read what the TRP is actually all about.... but its because you guys are bad!! aaand hypocrites!

                      [–]DFresh7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Great post, man. Nailed it.

                      [–]RMK24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      In all honesty this is simple social psychology and how human beings negotiate attraction and production of offspring.

                      [–]kagetsuki23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      slut are god gift for real men to have fun, nothing else.

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