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Red Pill ExampleThey are starting to see it too: 30 Is the New 50: "Old Age" is Killing My Dating Life (Most of my 30-something guy friends are dating girls fresh out of college) (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by inquiringmindswould

In an XOJane article dated 16 September, the principles and promises of TRP are so perfectly espoused, I initially thought that it was a subversive post- but, sure enough, it appears to be genuine (Oldie, but goodie).

A 30-year-old women is dating a 38-year-old man who ghosts her for a younger women- and she is seeing it everywhere in her social circle.

"Alex is 38. I’m 30. Technically, there are no "people our age.” But I'm starting to feel that a 30-year-old woman might as well be a 40-year-old-man, though infinitely less desirable, culturally speaking."

Well, if the shoe fits, Tinderella...

"At 40, a man is well into hitting his stride, something the guy I’m arguing with is all too aware of, as evidenced when he professes on multiple occasions, “I’m an amazing guy." “We’re killing it. KILLING IT," he tells me, while explaining that he’s been caught up in his rapidly expanding architecture firm."

Alex knows what's up. He's teeming with options and can't help but indulge.

"Alex sees his stock rising. For a man, age brings success, wisdom, and the Hollywood-approved wrinkles of Robert Redford. And, while I too find that my career is on the up, it doesn’t matter, because time, for a woman, is hardly as kind as it is to a man. My career successes, my triumphs as a human being, are trumped by the fact my looks -- and my ovaries -- have a shelf life. Biology and Sociology 101."

No amount of "girl power" t-shirts or feminist lectures can change the reality of the relationship dynamics. Finally, after hemming and hawing the shoe drops:

"...after nearly an hour on the phone explaining that he’s been so hot and cold because he’s too busy with work, because he’s very into expanding his business, because he’s shy -- admits he’s been seeing some 20-something girl named Anouk for the past few months."

Despite the evidence staring her in the face, she must- must rationalize:

"It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly. They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything -- like most of the guys I have dated in New York -- less is more."

Because, obviously, younger women are inferior to older women. Isn't that convenient? I'm sure she didn't feel that way 10 years ago. Stick with it, guys- it's working.

If you aren't Chad now, be Alex later.

Original article (visit at your own peril): XOJane


[–]103342 200 points201 points  (52 children)

I don't even know if this is legit or not, because women still have it pretty easy finding a guy to marry, she just has to lower has standards a little bit.

But it must be pretty frustrating for a girl reaching 30 and still trying to lock a guy up. Every year the idea of having a real family gets further and futher away. She loses the upper hand in the dating world for sure, this is if she actually wants to date an above average guy.

Truth is, most women past 30 are toxic as fuck to date. I know this from experience. Desperation is no joke. Younger girls are more unstable but at least most of them just want to have fun, the most fucked up thing an average younger girl will do is hookup with a lot of guys and you will just be one of them.

Older women have too much experience and baggage.

[–]1nonthaki 67 points68 points  (2 children)

because women still have it pretty easy finding a guy to marry

Its true . A woman will always hype her own condition and make it public , like post their stories in dailymail or whatever just to feel validated and to get everyone's sympathy and attention .

A woman in her 20s receives attention from guys throughout her day . As the years and ages go by , the number of people who find her attractive decrease but doesnt fall flat out to 0 . I am sure the woman in that article is still chased by some men , most probably beta or old , looking for relationship or sex . But that doesnt mean no guys chase her . She definitely still gets a percentage of the attention she got when she was 20 . And when a woman who used to get so much attention now gets a little less attention , she will definitely overhype the situation and proclaim it hopeless ; And similarly in the guys case in the article , he might have got no attention from women in his 20s and now is getting a lot of attention due to his wealth, maturity , etc ... thats like going from 0 to 100 . ... so he is very over-confident as stated in the article that he is "killing it" .

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 14 points15 points  (0 children)

"like post their stories in dailymail or whatever just to feel validated and to get everyone's sympathy and attention ."

Damn, so true. How many times have I seen these bullshit sob stories in the DailyMail? So many...!

Like the way over-the-hill women being portrayed as victims because they "can't find good men". In other words, playing the sympathy card because of poor choices and being undesirable, at least to the men in their age bracket...all while being a bit picky too. And never admitting fault for their own life consequences.

[–]_the_shape_ 86 points87 points  (9 children)

But it must be pretty frustrating for a girl reaching 30 and still trying to lock a guy up. Every year the idea of having a real family gets further and futher away. She loses the upper hand in the dating world for sure, this is if she actually wants to date an above average guy.

Especially if settling ...down (heh) is anticipated by her family and peers. The pressure only rises if her friends are managing to do what she hasn't been able to.

Speaking of pressure, it must be one fiery road to travel down if you take it all into account:

--getting older (and thus less desirable, especially compared to fresher, younger meat); competing gets harder, the hits (getting turned down/ getting pumped and dumped / getting hit on by guys she thinks have no business trying to run game on her) hurt more

--family tapping their wrists asking her "ummm, what are you waiting for???"

--every time she fires up Instagram or Facebook, she's repeatedly reminded of her failures (ex. friends with their babies and hubby "on vacay")

--wanting her alpha but realizing it's progressively coming down to choosing between an uninspiring, predictable, vagina-drying beta or the curse of loneliness from here until the end

Let's see if a decade or two down the line we get a chorus of women preaching against feminism and how it mislead them over the cliff into a pit of ruin, isolation and self-hatred. Not holding my breath though.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Damn... if someone published an article with points like this in it emphasized the shit storm that would ensue would be off the charts.

As for your last bit no that is never gonna happen. This is the red pill after all. Only way it'll change is if dudes make it change (of course) but not gonna happen.

[–]therealpkg 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They can, will, and already are railing against feminism... But only when it directly benefits their immediate agenda. And actions speak louder than words. You can be damn sure that change in blabber hasn't changed any behavior.

[–]LarParWar 4 points5 points  (2 children)

All of you guys just want to fuck, and when you decide to settle you want a virgin. Ha-ha. Hypocrites.

This is true, actually. And it's a problem, because if everybody's fucking around then there are no virgins to grab at the end of it all.

It will always be some mid-30s guy pissing in his early-20s counterpart's ever-dwindling pool of virgins.

[–]paydenbts 5 points6 points  (0 children)

e we get a chorus of women preaching against feminism

never, women are like children if given the chance they choose whats more satisfying, instant and feels better

[–]Toolman890 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Whenever there's a photo attached to one of these types of articles, almost always the woman is quite ugly.

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    [–]PlayFair 43 points44 points  (8 children)

    The story is about a women from NYC. The chads in NYC have Ferraris and penthouses and trust funds. At 30, she probably still believes that Mr. 7-figures and a corner office is right around the next grocery aisle. Or maybe a few more swipes on tinder. Or perhaps they'll meet serendipitously at that weekend EDM bars in the LES.

    Lowering her standards at this point would mean returning to the realities of middle-class men.

    [–]harsha_hs 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    wow! that's a great fall. Not many girls would survive that

    [–]Pires007 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    The 30s career women in NYC are nothing special either. The issue is that they think they are and the real world is sex in the city

    [–]squidracer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Yes and no.. They may still very attention, but they are in a different category of men.. Men who have been ruined in divorce!! Sure, the broke fuckers that have nothing to lose will still put a ring on it, but the successful men that already came close to losing everything??

    Source: I'm in that age group.. I'm successful. I've heard several women complain about men no longer wanting commitment

    [–]CQC3 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    I don't even know if this is legit or not, because women still have it pretty easy finding a guy to marry

    You never know, but career women have it the worst in this aspect. As we know, women only date up. The more successful they become career wise, the smaller that pool becomes. Suddenly, if she's making good money, a man who makes the often sought after 100k marker isn't really all that impressive is it?

    Depending on the woman, they either wise up sooner or later and marry some chump and abuse him, or they always think prince charming is around the corner.

    [–]lodro 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Why should I have to lower MY standards when I'm a such a BAD ASS BITCH?

    To be fair though, I have been with and known older women (past early thirties, into early forties) who were totally cool and very feminine. They exist, and they are more mature than 20-somethings generally. Can make for great relationships, sexual or not.

    Still comes with the mustache.

    [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (17 children)

    Bollocks - my ex wife just turned 30 and she's still super fucking hot - she'll have no trouble in the next few years. Most of her friends are still single and not married - 30 is no longer the shitty age it used to be for Women regardless of their ovaries.

    [–]harsha_hs 41 points42 points  (13 children)

    yes. 30 is not so bad as long as she's taking care of health and beauty. But if she's binge drinking throughout her twenties, her body is already into forties.

    [–]ReddittFeist 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    Not just drinking.

    Chicks who smoke age incredibly fast. Even by age 30 you can see a major difference in how old smoker chicks look compared to non-smokers.

    It does the same to guys too. No Red Pill guy should be smoking. If a guy who smokes wakes up to the RP, getting off the cigs should be his first, red-flag priority.

    [–]NaughtyFred 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Will stopping smoking improve the look of skin, or just halt further decline?

    Do e-cigs/vaping produce the same skin damage?

    [–]pusangani 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I'm pretty new to this place, but it's the first time I've seen smoking mentioned

    [–]phx-au 6 points7 points  (8 children)

    Smoking and sun age skin like crazy.

    edit: compare top to bottom

    [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    You're forgetting something extremely important - even with relatively good looks, the baggage and defective personalities that women post-30 have is self-sabotaging and makes men leave them or not interested in long-term. Less beta men, that is.

    [–]TheReformist94 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    They can still get alphas.even in Hollywood most of the guys marry women at or past the wall. Clooney is an exception.the wall rele isn't that bad.most have their cake and eat it,if not they just settle and fuck on the side. This article is an exageration

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    [–][deleted] 113 points114 points  (44 children)

    Women will try everything in order to shame an older man dating young women. They'll call him a pedo, they'll call him insecure.

    I've conducted a little experiment on a local forum here in my country. I made a topic where I claimed I want to marry a 19 year old virgin from a patriarchal family, and her only duties would be to give birth to children and take care of the household. Oh boy. I'll just list some replies from women that I can recall:

    • You can't marry a virgin unless you're a virgin too.
    • All of you guys just want to fuck, and when you decide to settle you want a virgin. Ha-ha. Hypocrites.
    • So hymen is the only quality you seek in women? I knew you guys are shallow, but this is just beyond me.
    • You're still mentally stuck in Middle Ages. Wake up, it's <current year>
    • Is your dick really that small?
    • You need a woman to cook and clean for you? Go marry your mother.
    • You don't need a wife, you need a maid.
    • You pervert, you just want to take advantage of an inexperienced girl and trap her.
    • You're a selfish bastard that only cares about himself.
    • Wow, I want to have a slave too! Where can I get one?
    • Are you in a wheelchair?
    • This is disguising. Nothing more to add.
    • Misogynist.

    And I live in eastern Europe. This planet is fucked.

    [–]nicksnice 60 points61 points  (31 children)

    Blue pill men will try to shame you too. There were many times I was referred to as "Chester" by my coworkers for dating a 21 year old as a 32 year old myself. (Chester is an urban slang term for a pedophile aka Chester the molester) while they went home to beg their fat wives for a piece of ass I had this gorgeous 5ft, 115lb 21 year old hoppin on my dick a few times a week. Did we have anything in common? Absolutely not, we liked the way each other looked naked. I'm not pursuing anyone over 26 again.

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      [–]socalsolja 12 points13 points  (26 children)

      LOL Community College? I'm taking sports classes and its cool as hell! Soccer in the morning to wake up and swimming later in the day! It feels nice to be outside of a crummy office with burnouts and bitter peeps... not everyone that is older and who works in an office is like that but I guess youthful energy is fun to be around.. p.s I just left my 20's too... seriously believe that college was one of the best times ever haha

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        [–]zue3 7 points8 points  (22 children)

        As someone currently wasting his younger years in stem, it is indeed a waste of time. There's no real money in it, at least relevant to the insane amount of work required. I wish someone had told me this so I could've gone into the arts. The bitches would've actually made my college years worth living over there.

        [–]GetrichonIMP 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Just hooked up with a tight 20 y/o (I'm 34 also) over the weekend after my LTR (27) lost the feelz for me on vacation. She's tasted freedom and I hope this is the start to her CC so she can get a taste of the new 50's very soon :D

        [–]Temperfuelmma 102 points103 points  (1 child)

        I couldn't stop laughing wow.

        You need a woman to cook and clean for you? Go marry your mother.

        You need a man to lead you and feed you? Go marry your daddy haha

        [–]hipfash3 26 points27 points  (0 children)

        And it's the same people calling him pervert. How ironic.

        [–]losectrl 25 points26 points  (3 children)

        Can you follow up saying you're a woman looking for a rich husband who's only duty is to provide for you in exchange for sex?

        [–]harsha_hs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        She says yes and Still she won't get it.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        Mothers here are saying to their daughters "marry a rich guy, don't end up like me" eversince they're toddlers. Being a gold digger is considered "normal".

        [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 14 points15 points  (3 children)

        Women will try everything in order to shame an older man dating young women.

        I was 33 and took a fresh little 19-year-old to a hotel for a weekend of nothing but sex. It was an embassy suites, so nothing too fancy but nothing seedy either. I checked in and as I escorted the young thing to the room, I noticed what must have been the manager glaring at me as we went by. She was some 40-something hag. She was clearly displeased.

        So, a few hours later, when I'm all up in this chicks ass, there is a knock at the door. wtf? So, apparently, there was an urgent need to replace all the curtains in the room right then. Like this shit can't wait; red alert curtain emergency. I refused to leave the room, so there we are--young girl on the couch wearing only a blanket, I'm standing in shorts, two workers change the curtains and the haggard old bat manager glaring at me.

        In hindsight, I'm shocked she didn't call the police to check it out.

        [–]WildFox87 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Oh wow man. Fuck that. I would of got her name and called corporate. That was totally her trying to interfere. That shit seems to happen all the time for some reason, at least for me.

        [–]TryDoingSomethingNew 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        I'm a huge believer in exactly what you wrote, and I find it exquisitely enjoyable when I hear stories of American men (I'm American) who marry far younger women (example: Asian, or other) and how it drives a dagger into the soul of women who see them out together, simply because they exist. A few men over at Return of Kings had written some brief experiences, and also got negative attention from some male simps, too, about their younger women.

        I find it fascinating that these same bitches who would ignore the men in question normally take it upon themselves to suddenly decide to criticize and shame these men suddenly once they see them with a younger, hotter woman. However, it is awesome to know it gnaws at them internally. I love it. It shows you how real biological motivation trumps any "feel good" bullshit put out by today's feminist/female propaganda.

        Your points are excellent, and very true. I have seen comments in other venues from women, targeted at men, about "age-appropriate dating." It is bullshit shaming jargon, and should be thrown back in their face immediately and harshly.

        Don't forget about "she just wants a green card", and how supposedly men want "passive, subservient women" (implying taking advantage of poor, weak women etc.).

        [–]Grain_Man 8 points9 points  (6 children)

        The thing that's always weirded me out about that argument is how incredibly shallow must you be if your only interests are completely boring to someone 10 years older or younger than yourself?

        I had a conversation with my father and my nephew over the weekend, and despite the fact that there's a quarter of a century either way the three of us still managed to hold a conversation about something of mutual interest.

        [–]2comment 74 points75 points  (9 children)

        Yeah baby, come right here and jiggle your career right in my face! Man, those 401ks are stacked!

        Said no man ever. These women are the female equivalent of sci-fi nerds showing off their comic collection.

        [–]RedMoonAscendant 34 points35 points  (2 children)

        In all fairness, though, my comic collection is pretty sexy. I was showing this one girl how I had #32 from the Wolverine 1992 series that officially only had 31.

        Her mom died at that very moment and she had to go to the funeral. Pretty sad stuff. She never did get to see that insane ink on the final pages.

        [–]mummersfarce_is_done 10 points11 points  (1 child)

        Yeah. Discovering Blue Pill was the best thing that happened in my life. Before I discovered Blue Pill, I was an Average Frustrated Red pill guy. I thought hitting the gym, improving myself, holding my frame etc. was what would get me girls. But now I am enlightened. Instead I focused on having a comic collection and now girls literally jump on my lap when I wave an old Avengers comic to their faces.

        TBP changed my life. Thank you TBP.

        [–]squidracer 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        It's like they don't understand men only had careers to support families.. Men would work part time otherwise then fish all day

        [–]maxbrooksmacbook 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        I dated a girl worth 40 million that is a high value lawyer in manhattan. Don't underestimate the life you can have with a woman that is driven, successful and rich

        [–][deleted] 127 points128 points  (40 children)

        My sister's friends are all turning 30 right about now. They're absolutely desperate to find men to marry them, and to start popping out babies, where most of them were party girls through their 20s.

        I went to one of their 30th birthday parties last weekend, and it was funny how nice all of them were to me, when some of them were stuck-up bitches in their 20s. Oh how the power dynamic changes :)

        [–]askmrcia 49 points50 points  (30 children)

        Its the same with my sister and her friends. Except they are in their mid twenties. Now they used to be hot as shit when they were in high school, but not so much anymore.

        They all put way too much makeup on and they all gained some weight. Still trying to relive their high school glory days while my sister is so desperate for a man, the best she can get is some loser who doesn't even have a job, loads of college debt and does nothing, but smoke weed all day.

        My sister and her friends will end up miserable by the time they are 30 assuming if they not already. I know my sis was a whore (hate to talk about her, but shit it's true) who got STDs and been with so many guys its just.....eh. Same with her friends. All whores.

        Now all these girls graduated college (tons of debt) and have corporate jobs (Human resources). They all think they are hot shit because of their degree, but don't realize they bring nothing else to the table.

        Again these women are in their mid 20s and have hit the wall. Sure they can still get guys attention, but these are guys who will just sleep with them then move on. No guy who has their head on their shoulders want women like this.

        I know I don't and my sister's friends hit on me all the time, but I never go for it because who knows what I'll catch. Some of them call me gay because I never went for them (did when I was younger like 14, but they didn't want me back then).

        The wall is real. And I see plenty of good looking 30 year old women affected by it as well. These girls are the same, they pull low quality guys, bitch about all men being the same, take their meds, and then post on social media like they are "queen bees."

        But I have noticed a lot more women on medication. Its like every woman past 25 is on them.

        [–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (23 children)

        Damn. It's funny how when people, including myself thought about the wall for the first time, I literally thought it was about looks. The thing is there are still women in their 30s who look good. Heck, there are female celebrities in their 40s or even 50s who are still bangable.

        The problem is all the baggage and stuck up attitude they come with. Some older women I'm sure are chill, but many of them these days in the future will have rode so many cocks, that they are damaged goods.

        [–]Temperfuelmma 22 points23 points  (10 children)

        It's not just that, the drop of attention from hot guys and slight increase in attention from disgusting beta's that'll make them puke really takes a toll on them.

        They think they're worthless hence all the rationalizations that they're not. Dating younger, normal girls itself is a pain in the ass now imagine dating an insecure woman that thinks she's nothing but a worthless piece of human shit made entirely for the sole purpose of being a fuck toy, haha.

        Shit, this must be what it's like for women to date beta's.

        [–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (9 children)

        Exactly why I'm not focusing on women and focusing on my career. Of course if I'm out at a bar and I see a woman I'm interested in approaching or is giving me signal, I will approach.

        I'm currently 25, but I just want to make as much money as I can, save a good portion of it, live in a decent sized apartment or a smaller house by myself in 3-5 years, travel to places, have fun, stay in good shape and have an almost drama free life. Women can be such a pain in the ass sometimes with the flakiness and all that. They aren't worth putting on a pedestal.

        [–]okiedokie321 21 points22 points  (6 children)

        You have the right mindset. Sometimes it isn't always about banging as many as possible, but focusing on you and you alone. You're young and swallowed the pill early, enjoy it.

        [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (5 children)

        Yep. Honestly now that you mentioned it, in college I was obsessed with the notch count, because well every young guy is. And that's what people back in college love talking about. I'm somewhere in the low double digits. Some alright girls, a couple really good ones and a few ones I would rather forget. I'm not exactly focused on that right now.

        The problem is the pedestalization of women continues not just because of people think of women as "special snowflakes." It happens because most guys don't try to improve themselves so that they can be successful in their lives. They do it just to impress women and maybe find someone to "settle down with." So they spend so much time focusing on "game" and try to be nice to women.

        If the guy does those things and gets laid, he's happy, but when he does those things and isn't getting that validation, that's where the problem occurs for them and why you have to dress well, strive to make money and stay healthy for YOURSELF. Not just do it so one day, you can find "the one"

        Plus, if I'm making more money in the future, I can go to Thailand and fuck some slim Asian chicks.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        If you're worried about increasing your N-count, save up a bit of money and go visit the redlight in Frankfurt, Germany for a week or two. I fucked more HB 8 and 9s...and even one I would consider a 10 (yeah, as in hotter than Kate Upton) than most people get to even lay eyes on in a lifetime. To top it off, each one cost less than half the price of a decent dinner here in the USA. European prostitutes are very safe and clean since it's a regulated industry, and look far better than the girls from Thailand in my opinion.

        Girls know that they better put out in Germany because you could just go down the street and fuck someone twice as hot as them for the price of a beer. It really knocks them down a few pegs when they can't hold their vaginas for ransom like western women do.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I will definitely look into going into Frankfurt, Germany in the future. I have always wanted to go to Germany for some time. Amazing beer and beautiful women. Maybe not right this moment, given everything going on, but definitely in the future. Oktoberfest is probably crazy in Germany.

        [–]CrashXXL 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        They're not all chicks in Thailand!

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I know that. I will make sure to vet them somehow.

        [–]RedDeadlift 14 points15 points  (6 children)

        Exactly right. I'm 32 and usually date under 25, but I met this 30 yo who I initially clicked with. But after 2 dates, the demands where ridiculous. Clearly she was in no mood to have fun or get to know each other. It was like an interrogation.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

        I remember one night, since my roommate was doing something else, I decided to go out solo. I end up approaching a woman who was probably in her 30s. I think she might have told me her age, but can't remember.

        At first, she would show interest in me and all that, but after that it was an interrogation of sorts. Like constant shit tests and questions. We made out, but she kept asking personal question and out of nowhere, would keep feeling my dick. I didn't get laid that night. It was such a mindfuck and so many times, I should have just walked away before all that. She was acting hot and cold, regarding interest level.

        [–]squidracer 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        Pretty much this exactly.. I've dated several in their 30s this year since being single.. All cunts, except for one.. Pretty decent plate.. When I first met her she called Hillary a cunt and said trump should win..

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

        Well, she is right about the fact that Hillary Clinton is a cunt.

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          [–]Galactic-Unicorn 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          Depression now affects one in three.

          [–]harsha_hs 15 points16 points  (0 children)

          I second about meds. EVERY single woman past 30 is on meds!

          [–]nicksnice 13 points14 points  (1 child)

          There's this group of girls I know from a few years back I follow them on IG. Theyre all 30 and on social media crying about fuckboys. This girl who is a former obeast (was hot in her teens and early 20s then ballooned) had the audacity to make this post about lowering her standards. Her post read "stop going for the fuckboys, get you a solid 7 that beats the kitty up." This girl is a high 4 at best claiming she will lower her standards to the top 30% of men with a good dick. her saving grace is that she's not ugly and has some huge tits so she's prime real estate for the BP social media simps to boost her ego.

          [–]joeyjojosharknado 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          prime real estate for the BP social media simps to boost her ego.

          That's the disconnect that is making women crazy. Extreme validation from social media and online dating that doesn't translate into tangible, real world benefits, such as a solid relationship with a high SMV guy. It's all smoke and mirrors, but the hamster fights against seeing it for what it is. Even in their 40's and 50's women will get this shallow validation, from younger guys who just want to stick their dick in anything so go for the low hanging fruit, or beta uggos with mommy issues. The hamster tells them they must still be hot and young and desirable, because the reality - that they are a mommy substitute for some loser or a small step up from a tube sock for a regular guy - is horrifying.

          [–]TheOtherWalternate 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          Some years ago there were studies that got publicized that claimed old age begins at 27. They mostly discussed mental decline but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the magic average age our bodies start declining.

          Long before that came out, some friends and I had noticed it was right around 27 that many of the women who bragged about being able to eat anything and stay thin suddenly gained 50 lbs in a year. Hell, I was in my late 20s when my weight really got out of control. I went through a wuick weight loss then, crept back up, and when I finally took it all of again last year (early/mid 40s) it was several times as hard.

          My point is, mid 20-s is biologically when it all starts changing.

          [–]1nonthaki 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Yay . Enjoy . Do a fake laugh for them and not a genuine one , whenever they have a light hearted conversation with you . This will fuck up their brains , cause they already have low confidence because they are post wall , and they will think they cant hold the situation socially enough with you , or suck in conversations . Let them never suspect that you are sarcastic inside and that you Know their fucking game .

          [–][deleted] 255 points256 points  (59 children)

          As a 34yo man who is currently banging a 21yo sorority chick on the regular I second this article.

          [–]heelface 132 points133 points  (36 children)

          As a guy who just broke up with a GF and just turned 34 you've made my day.

          [–]LeftShark86 94 points95 points  (26 children)

          Bro. I'm slightly younger, but there's no excuse for dating any girl even close to 30. There are so many 21-26 year olds out there. Seriously, as I get older, I date younger. 22-24 is the sweet spot.

          [–]robotghow 25 points26 points  (7 children)

          How/Where do you meet them? If you don't mind me asking

          [–]squidracer 56 points57 points  (6 children)

          Starbucks. Where all young white girls hangout

          [–]robotghow 10 points11 points  (5 children)

          Damn, we don't have those in my country.

          [–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (1 child)

          Starbucks, or young white girls?

          [–]RUSTY_LEMONADE 31 points32 points  (1 child)

          No white girls? Go for the brown ones then. Shit, Captain Kirk it. Green, blue, yellow, black, albino, vitiligo, it don't matter.

          [–]aanarchist 17 points18 points  (0 children)

          waiting for space aliens to be confirmed so i can find me a sexy asari girl. they pass for mid 30s at 800 years old ya know.

          [–]BlackHeart89 29 points30 points  (12 children)

          That's funny. I'm 26 and I'm dating a 21 year old. She's great, but on an intellectual note, I don't like her. On the other hand, all the women my age and up have, "too much baggage". Either several children or too damn stubborn. The girl I'm dating now is eager to please. So of course going forward, I don't think I'll ever be able to date a chick older than me or the same age without intentions of breaking up later down the line.

          [–]yomo86 54 points55 points  (4 children)

          You want meaningful conversations grt some friends.

          [–]aanarchist 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          i've tried dating older and while it's nice to have a conversation with a woman who isn't a complete child, she still ends up being less mature and less intelligent, and eventually brings all her baggage on my doorstep. there's simply nothing she brings to the table at the end of the day.

          [–]TSM_Bjergson 5 points6 points  (4 children)

          I'm obviously doing something wrong here. 20 years old and dating a 25 year old.

          [–]aggresivenapk1n 17 points18 points  (0 children)

          You gotta get experience somewhere

          [–]LeJacquelope 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Nothing wrong with that. It's a man's prerogative to date an older or younger woman as he pleases, if she's down with him, too. The BIGGEST mistake of this XoJane article, par for the feminist course as it is, is that this woman feels she's owed a man for being an older, "stronger" woman. Yet in the next article they probably screamed hellfire and damnation at nice guys for having the same attitude. So if your 25 year old is good for you, keep her and don't let anyone tell you she's past her expiration date. But don't stick with her just because someone says you can't handle a strong woman, you owe her, etc etc etc

          [–]TheStumblingWolf 39 points40 points  (1 child)

          I have a friend who's 41. He's seeing a 20 year old girl. I'm 31 and my other friend wants me to date his 20 year old cousin. Would be a shame to let him down :)

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            [–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 47 points48 points  (1 child)

            If you've internalized TRP you will begin to celebrate every breakup and see it as a victory. You are now free to replace your car for a newer bouncier model.

            [–]atomsk413 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            This thought alone got me through a hard break-up after I found this place. Thanks for the refresher mate.

            [–]aceangel3k 16 points17 points  (0 children)

            Yup. 31 here dating a 21 year old model. Less is definitely more.

            [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I'm 47, while I have a few over 30 that I have fucked in the three years since my divorce from a 30 year old, the majority of girls I've banged have been between 18 and 26. It's a myth that men can't pull young tail, but it's because of the losers being so prominent and numerous. I'm not even great looking and girls constantly flirt and eye fuck me. All I have to do to fuck them is engage, isolate, and escalate. It's easier now than 20 years ago.

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              [–]textualintercourse 45 points46 points  (4 children)

              38 with a 25, been working out perfectly fine. Her older used up coworkers hate her and say we are "gross", at the same time pissed no one gives them the time.

              [–]SnarkyFella 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Damn thats hilarious. Keep at it man. Always wear a rubber.

              [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

              31 with 23's to 26's over the past couple years. It's been hard for me to crack under 23.

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Yep these are the type of plates or LTR's that it will kinda suck when they fall and break - AH WELL ¯_(ツ)_/¯

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Exact same circumstances when I ended the relationship of 5 years. She became all the negatives listee by the writer, had to go.

              [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 37 points38 points  (6 children)

              As a 49 y.o. man who woke up next to a 20 y.o. hottie this morning, I third, fourth, and fifth it. <EFG>

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                [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 26 points27 points  (1 child)

                You're welcome.

                That said, I can only bang so many 20 y.o. girls...and they make more every year. So you have that going for you. Besides, I am Here To Help. Play your cards right and you can do what I do, too.

                [–]Keldoclock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                I did. It was okay at the time and bad in retrospect, or the reverse. Nothing to do but think about how to do it better next time.

                I was always salty about having to compete with essentially all of the men in the world for the tiny segment of college girls. Tough enough dealing with the rich kids, the naturally gifted ones, without also having to worry about playing fucking chess games against my dad, you know? Nothing I can do to change that though.

                The reality is, in a tough environment, you're going to get fewer people succeeding and they're all going to be better than they would have been in a less demanding environment, just because that's the nature of the cut. All I can do is work at it until I'm weeded out.

                [–]Eatsnax 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                As a bald 40 yo man who's dating a hot 22 yo I'll second that too. Besides loosing my hair which I've owned in the best way possible, I workout on the reg, diet, dress nice and get mine. It gets better gents.

                [–]antariusz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Hello fellow 34 year old man... As I sit and watch Netflix with a 21 year old girl next to me.

                [–]LeftShark86 108 points109 points  (21 children)

                I've had this conversation with women countless times. I always ask "Who would I rather date; you at 28 or you at 22." They have no regrets. They always argue that their mistakes make them who they are today. I wholeheartedly agree and say "that's why I wish I would have met you when you were 22". The difference is X number of dicks, sagging tits, and a wider waist. The insignificant rise in their bs career is irrelevant.

                "It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly. They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything -- like most of the guys I have dated in New York -- less is more."

                In my experience, younger women are more impressive, more striving, about the same volatile, marginally less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less, pressing, less annoying, less damaged, and more womanly. They are certainly more than their older counterparts.

                [–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (17 children)

                about the same volatile

                i'd actually say younger women are less volatile. i found TRP when i was looking for econometrics in dating, and for answers to questions like "why the fuck are so many women in their 30s on antidepressants?" after you bang a girl in her 30s the first time and she doesn't cum, it's a blow to your ego. but fuck them 3 or 4 times, and it's not that they just had more stamina than me... start asking questions. turns out it's because they're taking anti-depressants, and one of the most common side effects is inability to orgasm. now multiple studies have been done, and even the CDC was like "wtf, 25%+ of middle aged women are on anti-depressants." when you narrow to single women in their 30s, living in big liberal cities, it's usually above 50%.

                the only downside i'd say with younger girls is more starfish sex. they just don't have the same motivation to lock down a guy.

                [–]LeftShark86 7 points8 points  (7 children)

                I haven't noticed worse sex in younger girls. I'd say on average lower 20's and upper 20's are about the same. Though my age range is 19-30, so I don't know about older.

                [–]Stormhammer 14 points15 points  (5 children)

                Older women are kinky as fuck.

                On a serious note, keep aware of their hands when they're sucking you off. You might find one trying to sneak its way up your ass.

                [–]Sad_Larry 17 points18 points  (3 children)

                reddit is a non stop source of entertainment

                [–]Stormhammer 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                Oh god, I just realized I failed to specify a finger. A finger, not their entire hand!

                [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                The thing about older women is they "know" that their currency has deflated, even if they don't consciously know it, so they get that they're going to have to put some effort into it. They have some mileage on them, so experience is a factor also. Plus the back door is usually open.

                With a less experienced girl, you're simply going to have to lead her, which isn't much of a trade-off for her young, supple body. One of the best things you can do is ask her what her fantasies are. You'll likely get some good intel, and even if you don't, it's an opener for explaining what YOU want, and then leading her through it.

                [–]199639 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                Independent of anorgasmia from SSRI, many women aren't able to orgasm from penetrative sex, and a large percentage of those can't orgasm from sex of any kind. Regardless, they can still enjoy sex and men often struggle to understand this because of the nature of male orgasm.

                [–]adam_varg 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                Number of women who cant orgasm by any means isnt large. Number of women who havent experienced orgasm is somewhat large.

                Rest of what you wrote is accurate.

                [–]omega_dawg93 9 points10 points  (5 children)

                Go to Katy Texas... It is the antidepressant capital of the USA.

                [–]RedDeadlift 5 points6 points  (4 children)

                Fuckin right. I was at a house party in Katy one time and couldn't wait to get the hell out of there.

                [–]Sad_Larry 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                Can you explain for those of us who haven't attended anti depressant parties? Like anything besides being boring and sad?

                [–]RedDeadlift 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Hard to explain. No one seemed happy, complaining about things, general negative attitude, just not fun to be around,

                [–]2comment 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                They always argue that their mistakes make them who they are today.

                A pumpndump. They should open a gas station franchise.

                [–]Rufferto_n_Groo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                "more womanly"

                That was my takeaway as well.

                [–]Lsegundo 35 points36 points  (5 children)

                Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly....

                How the fuck are less volatile, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, and less damaged listed as negatives? Oh right the hamster.

                Women have it drilled into their hamsters that they need to be successful. I see so many career women confused as fuck that they aren't dating higher quality men based on their career success. Guys want to be seen with the most beautiful woman in the room. Is there any guy that beams with pride because he has the most career accomplished woman in the room?

                [–]squidracer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                Career women are nuts.. I'm going back to waitresses.. Went out with two very well off career women last week.. Both showed up drunk one even got out of her car with her big cup of wine..

                I ended up telling one that she was bossy. She told me men liked being bossed around. I asked her if that's why she's been divorced twice.. She still tried to make a move before I left..

                Fucking train wrecks!!

                [–]offthebeatmeoff 74 points75 points  (25 children)

                The culture we live in now, is impacting women the hardest (believe it or not). This stuff should have been common knowledge. In Japan they call them Christmas cake. In Hispanic cultures it is common to see a guy with a woman 15-20 years younger than he is. In India arranged marriages were sought with men who were established successful providers, and I'm sure other cultures that perform arranged marriages do the same. Women in China know they are fucked if they're not married after 25. Everyone knows it, but western women are being force fed garbage, similar to how we are being force fed garbage. At the very least guys have a fighting chance with common sense, their own observations from getting laid, observations from friends who get laid a lot, and last but not least the Redpill.

                I'm not defending women or anything like that, but they're being fed this garbage and buy the time they realize it's garbage they're past their prime. Naturally being selfish they don't warn other women.

                We on the other hand have each other and other networks. On top of that, once we snap out of it we haven't even hit our prime, and even if we have, we're still riding the peak of the plateau.

                [–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (21 children)

                This. Let's be red pilled it's only a shock in White western societies. Everywhere else its nothing new for an 18 year old to 20s to be snatched up by an old guy. In the west though chicks can't see that they are destroying themselves literally by waiting till the end. It's fine though the way it should be.

                Whoever came up with feminism is an evil little bastard. They took advantage of womens lack of foresight to ensure their doom. It is a nice time to be alive though if you are somewhat decent looking.

                [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (14 children)

                It's awesome to be a man in western society as long as you are in top 20%. But still, in this society I'd rather be in the bottom 80% than to be a woman.

                [–]offthebeatmeoff 41 points42 points  (12 children)

                This is an unpopular opinion on this sub, but "top 20%" is all context. There are niches for everyone and everything. There are flabby stupid guys who get laid tons because they do drugs like coke, that hot girls love. There's a redneck crushing some country tail, because he's got a big pick up that he pounds puss in that he meets right at the honky tonk. There's a handsome wealthy guy who's frustrated and beating his meat, because he's in San Francisco or down in Silicon Valley, and it's mostly dudes. It's all context. Don't get me wrong, improve yourself and work on your game and you'll get results, but I would confidently put myself in the top 5% easy within my demographic, and there are nights and places where I feel like a God, and others where I feel like an ugly freak that couldn't come close to even sniffing pussy

                [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                That's true. It's all relative and I have some nights where I feel like the best looking and most charming guy on the planet and other times, where I feel like I can attract any women. You could be top 20% in one place, but be in the bottom 20% in another place.

                [–]efrp 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                Very well said. One of the things I learned rather late in life is to figure out your niche and then work it as much as you can. Some types/demographics of women will just be naturally more receptive; others won't give a fuck about you for whatever reason. Get in where you fit in etc etc.

                [–]offthebeatmeoff 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                Yeah exactly. I have a buddy, he's handsome and jacked (competes in physique). He can pull fitness chicks pretty well where as I barely stand a chance. That being said, I dominate him with tall girls, bar skanks, and ethnic chicks. I even have a buddy who honest to god has a fucking pear shaped figure. Definition of skinny fat, with a lesbian haircut, but he's juggling three chicks. They're cute, but look like emos. He has his niche as well.

                [–]RedDeadlift 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                Agreed. Your SMV varies wildly with different environments. Find your niche.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                What women look for in men is cultural success.

                http://web.missouri.edu/~gearyd/MatechoicePDF.pdf

                Evolutionary logic indicates that the best situation for a woman is a long-term partner with good genes who has reproductive potential and the willingness to invest this potential in her and her children. Men’s reproductive potential is determined by the ability to parent and the ability to invest social and material resources in children. One way to conceptualize men’s resources is in terms of their cultural success (Irons, 1979): that is, their social status and their control of material resources. We describe women’s preference for culturally successful men in the first section.

                Women desire men who are culturally successful.

                [–]alvlear 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                Take advantage, they did. But evil? Technology had made women useless in the home, and we had a lot of wealth to create. Doubling the workforce is a neat idea.

                [–]Osoto_Gari 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                In Japan they call them Christmas cake

                "Because nobody wants Christmas cake after 26". LOL

                [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 61 points62 points  (20 children)

                From the article:

                There was something there, and we both knew it, which is why were attempting to hash things out over the phone at some ungodly hour. Because at our age, we’re adults, and things matter more. The mistakes leave marks.

                This is female scarcity. It's just like male scarcity. 10 years ago she would flake or go out and never call back if they didn't fuck or it wasn't amazing, because she didn't give a shit - because she had 100 dudes just like him lined up.

                The pain, plight and rejection of women between 28 and 38 is identical to what men experience from 18 to 28 - the only difference is, it's direction in time is reversed. Just as most 18y/o men are invisible, so are most 38y/o women.

                The difference is: whether guys are the equivalent of a 18, 28 or 38y/o chick depends on the work they put in.

                [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 49 points50 points  (19 children)

                10 years ago she would flake or go out and never call back if they didn't fuck or it wasn't amazing, because she didn't give a shit

                Exactly. This is why I have no sympathy. Every time I hear a post wall woman complaining about dating not being quite as easy as it once was, I think "yeah, I remember what you were like when you were in your 20's and I was a sexually frustrated victim of your lies and manipulations and you had all the options and you used them at my expense".

                The pain, plight and rejection of women between 28 and 38 is identical to what men experience from 18 to 28

                No it's not. Men 28 to 38 still do more, give more, get more rejections, get less attention, get more rejections. It's not even starting to balance out until she hits 50. All that's happening is that she has it not-quite-as-fucking-easy but still vastly easier than most men. The only thing making her life even very slightly hard is her own insane level of choosiness and entitlement.

                Imagine if she had to be attractive with zero inherent value in a world that was anti-female and the slightest bit of complaining or neediness or caring or saying the wrong thing even once would instantly cancel out all potential sexual attractiveness. A world in which she is constantly criticised for both being female, not being female enough and the opposite sex demanded their best interests be permanently accounted for even at the expense of her own potential sexual attractiveness, and not only that but she has to maintain this perfect level of attractiveness in the face of doing all the work and taking all the rejections.

                After all that, she's not even close to being at the level men are when they deal with women.

                TL;DR: even at 35 she's still got it easier than 99.9% of men. 50 is when the roles reverse and women realise (too late) that they have to put some work in and offer value. Of course even then they'd rather just complain about it.

                [–]sd4c 12 points13 points  (11 children)

                Imagine if she had to be attractive with zero inherent value in a world that was anti-female and the slightest bit of complaining or neediness or caring or saying the wrong thing even once would instantly cancel out all potential sexual attractiveness.

                Excellent and very true. I once had one in the bag, until I mentioned that my favorite bar was called "The Mangy Dog". She disgusted by the name of the bar, that's all it took.

                [–]jmg83 3 points4 points  (9 children)

                Oh, I can believe it. I was at a bar with a friend, and he gets talking to a woman. I honestly thought he was going to fuck her. When he was buying her drinks, she made a sneering remark about his wallet, and from that point on, her behaviour towards him cooled. His fucking wallet. A basic, black nylon wallet.

                [–]squidracer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                I don't know if I agree with you.. I'm currently 37 and rejection is extremely low.. When I put forth the effort it's not hard to land 4-5 dates in a week.. Honestly, I flake on women constantly..

                I don't think women have that big of an advantage at this agree unless they are hot and have no kids.. Since most are chubby, that is not the case

                [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                TL;DR: even at 35 she's still got it easier than 99.9% of men. 50 is when the roles reverse

                Meanwhile, back in reality, by pretty much 38, women, on average, have no choice at all. That data might look not too significant on paper but then you realize that most 30+ guys are fucking chicks under 35, and the further up the age ladder one climbs, the less total population (not to mention the eligible singles pool): women are fucked after 35.

                The way you write makes it sound like it's bad to be a man, but shit's the best since sliced bread. Even at 18-24, the worst years for men, with 1-2 years worth of actual work, most of us can be more sexually active than a ham planet.

                [–]1nonthaki 37 points38 points  (2 children)

                It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly. They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything -- like most of the guys I have dated in New York -- less is more.

                Sweet karma . She is judging what men like by what she thinks men should want or like about her or post wall women like her . One can feel her hopelessness , just like men felt in their 20s , but she never cared about what men went through .

                As though any amount of talking is going to make this better, Alex continues to tell me about Anouk, who doesn’t mind him going on dates with other women because he “doesn’t love her,” and who he is dating precisely because she’s not looking for anything at all.

                Oh man , this is just class , and I suspect that guy is Red Pill or became a Natural Red Pill after seeing the change in sexual market dynamics from a young guy to his current age .

                By the way , its a 2 year old post . I dont know how the hell you found it now .

                [–]useyourmouth 30 points31 points  (1 child)

                Lol at her hamstering at the end. We can play word games, too:

                ...less wrinkled, less fat, less demanding, less used up, less barren, less broken, less cunty -- so yes, less is more.

                [–]1jb_trp 33 points34 points  (2 children)

                Jokes on you, divorced women with baggage: We'd rather have two 20s than one 40.

                [–]squidracer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Or nothing at all!! Rather ride solo then settle for a fat old divorced hag with kids

                [–]kaspell 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                37 here, dating a 24 year old (turned last week), started with 36/23. The one before her was 24 too. They're broken but fun. The older ones are just broken.

                [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                Hit the wall and then cry "where are all da good men?"

                [–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 28 points29 points  (1 child)

                The 28 year old woman was once the 22 year old fresh-out-of-college girl. So not only does she have the baggage of the 22 year old, she also has the ravages of time with her as well. Women at the age of 28 pretend like they are completely different from their 22 year old counterparts, yet they tend to forget that most of them have experienced the same things.

                I've met girls that were exceedingly intelligent and driven in college, more so than women who were older at the time. Why should I believe that women get "smarter" as they age? The whole notion that women become more "mature" in character as they get older is mostly bullshit. The only difference is how much more desperate a woman becomes as she knows her options are declining exponentially.

                [–]pyrom33 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                I often work with old (RP) men from eastern Europe. they are between 50-65 yrs. they have good shape because hard work (oil&gas industry) and they fuck young chicks regularly (no prostitute)

                [–]yummyluckycharms 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                Younger women are more enjoyable and fun to be around. No negativity, no toxic feminism, no attitudes - they have a greater zest for life in general

                Case in point, I've had 3 plates that I enjoyed ffm threesomes with - all under 30. I've had 0 plates over 30 that enjoyed them. Women over 30 are just plain boring and they just seem to become more frigid over time

                [–]DailyManliness 43 points44 points  (39 children)

                I don't think it even takes this long for women to notice the wall anymore, it's happening in the early to mid-20s where they're locking down the betas now. I'd say most of the women in my group are far removed from the wall or going on the decline and even they are starting to feel the biological clock. It's built in them, we can analyze it and call it the wall but women feel it. By the looks of it they feel it long before even one wrinkle sets in. If they find the right beta early enough they'll go with him and "settle down" while craving alphas on the side.

                [–]Marino4K 44 points45 points  (35 children)

                they'll go with him and "settle down" while craving alphas on the side

                Which is why divorce rates are so high. Nothing wrong with settling down but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

                [–]DailyManliness 36 points37 points  (31 children)

                Completely agreed, this has to be the reason for the insanely high divorce rate. I can see it already from the married girls I know. One of the girls in my group has been with a beta for a year and she's already antsy and going out without him. What's gonna happen when she marries him in 2-3 years? They've already needed one "break" so she could be with other guys and that was a few months in. This is why TRP is so necessary for men, you can't blame the women, it's how they are. It's a mans responsibility to take control of himself and his relationships.

                [–]Marino4K 23 points24 points  (10 children)

                I mean for real though. You want beta qualities but alpha tendencies? Hold up woman, let me get you a build a bear,.

                [–]LeftShark86 40 points41 points  (8 children)

                Yea, I'd like a number HB9, petite, toned but easy on the muscles, with DDs and a side of nympho.

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                  [–]Kingoffistycuffs 17 points18 points  (1 child)

                  As the manager of this establishment I can say I like the cut of your jib and I'll toss on a side of "can actually cook" to your order. Keep up the good work.

                  [–]fatalbinoninja 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  I'll take the jumbo value size if you can toss in general housekeeping and cooking as well.

                  [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                  Well if they made sense they wouldn't be women they'd be men.

                  [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (13 children)

                  A break after a few months? LMAO

                  [–]DailyManliness 10 points11 points  (12 children)

                  Yup. It's shocking how much guys deal with from girls who are clearly above them. Once you show your hand like that you will always lose, she knows she can do whatever she wants. This is commonplace for a beta situation though

                  [–]sd4c 9 points10 points  (6 children)

                  It can get worse. There are legions of guys on Craigslist being forced to find sexual partners for their cruel ruthless wives

                  [–]thisishowibowl 4 points5 points  (5 children)

                  I almost refuse to believe this cuck thing exists. I know it does but . It's so insane to me that I can almost not wrap my mind around it. Just hearing about makes my blood boil.

                  [–]sd4c 10 points11 points  (4 children)

                  It doesn't happen overnight, and requires strong Oneitis. First she gets away with nagging. Girls nights out. Then yelling. Then forces marriage. Controls finances. Physical abuse. Uses dread game. When caught cheating, makes it seem like the guy's fault. That's the turning point- will he go back? If he entertains reconciling, she's got him. She can spin it into something fun. That benefits him- dwindle the sex to a trickle except after she bangs Chad, then he gets to fuck her. Next thing you know, he's conditioned Pavlovian-style, to associate other guys banging his girl with sexual release. Eventually this leads to him doing her legwork for him. In extreme cases I've seen guys offer to rent a room to a Chad for free for this arrangement.

                  It's sick because it's cruel and sad to anyone with half a heart. But remember, AWALT. They would ALL go for this arrangement, if they could get it, just like most guys would be cool with a harem of 200 virgins guarded by eunuchs. If they could get it (which only military dictators have been able to pull off).

                  No one is moral, we just estimate the limits of our own reproductive capacity and extrapolate principles based on that. It's kind of fucked up if you think about it.

                  [–]pillchangedmylife 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  'just like most guys would be cool with a harem of 200 virgins guarded by eunuchs' - thats the dream

                  [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

                  if you ever get a time machine, do me a favor: go back and slap 20 y.o. me HARD

                  [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                  Also my 15 y.o. one version. You can have my savings later, doesn't matter. Idk, my 15 y.o. version would prefer that, my 26 y.o. version would prefer he never fell for a whore but still would like to hunt well into old age with .

                  I saw a hunter while going to mountain a day ago. He was 45 y.o. atleast, alone, with a shotgun and his dog. Never saw someone smiling more to randoms like us. Not like he wanted to please us, like he just was that happy in life and wanted to share.

                  Hunting and conquering is the youth of spirit.

                  [–]sd4c 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                  What's gonna happen when she marries him in 2-3 years? They've already needed one "break" so she could be with other guys and that was a few months in.

                  DO NOT GET ATTACHED. And the way to do that is not to spend so much damned time with them. Plate 2-3, or none at all. Do not commit.

                  [–]sd4c 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                  If you do commit, you will be punished. Your sacrifice will be rewarded for 2-3 days, then the demands will resume escalating. See Briffault's Law:

                  "Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit"

                  [–]_the_shape_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  They've already needed one "break" so she could be with other guys and that was a few months in.

                  This one flies over the beta's head over and over and strongly supports what you wrote next:

                  This is why TRP is so necessary for men, you can't blame the women, it's how they are. It's a mans responsibility to take control of himself and his relationships.

                  At least she's having the decency to not outright cuck the guy, but the beta fails to read between the lines of her message: you're not my first choice, in fact you're a back-up at best, completely written off if I find better at worst.

                  --"So what now, beta? She wants to try out a few different cocks date a bit, so what are you going to do?"

                  --"Um, I guess, um, just gonna give her some space, and umm, just sorta hang around in the meantime.."

                  --"So you're going to wait for her - that's what you're saying..."

                  --"Umm, yeah, pretty much"

                  --"Sheesh. Take a seat for a second, son. While you're at it, get a pen and paper so you can take some notes.."

                  [–]bornredd 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                  Was out with my friends this weekend and met a woman who has been married for just over a year, short, cute little thing, very religious.

                  I was invited to this shindig by a mutual friend, and she spent the entire time flirting with me. When I wasn't around, she spent the time asking my friends about me (where'd they meet me, what do I do for a living, am I married, etc). I would have had no idea she was married except for the ring.

                  [–]theneoroot[🍰] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                  It doesn't really help the club culture (aka CC, cock carousel) of doing drugs, drinking till you pass out and eating whatever gives the most instant satisfaction at the moment.

                  Women that work out, eat well and take care of themselves although rare can postpone the wall for a few years, but these CC chicks are believing that whatever happens to them when they get older can be fixed with plastic surgery, not knowing the difference between the skin of a 20yo and a 30 or 40 something hag with a stretched face.

                  [–]atomsk413 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  "That the fox could not reach, for all [her] labour, And leaving them declared, they're not ripe yet..."

                  [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                  Idk about other guys here, but for me it's not the age in years of a woman that bothers me and makes her undateable, but the literal age... Lots of girls I know were heavy partiers, drugs, alcohol, careless sex, smoking etc. I know girls who were an HB8 in their early twenties drop down to a 5 by the time they're 27.

                  Then there's other factors.. Emotional damage, little or no housekeeping skills (TBH, I keep my place tidier than most women I've met in their 20's), and a very unrealistic outlook on how a healthy relationship functions.

                  As the old saying goes, you reap what you sow. This isn't really a concept that's strictly gendered. If a guy eats like shit all his life, drinks heavily, does drugs, and has some shitty ME FIRST entitled attitude.. He's probably going to be in shitty shape physically and financially too, thus un-fuckable. I personally knew plenty of guys like this in their late 20's. Beer guts, dead end uninspiring jobs they stay at out of safety, dress like shit, and just put minimal effort into life then wonder why they're so unlucky.

                  [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  "For a man, age brings success, wisdom..."

                  Uh no. The man-truck doesn't stop by when you're 40 to drop a million dollars in gold ingots. Hard work, discipline and experience brings success and wisdom, for anyone. Delusions like this are why women act and see the world the way they do.

                  [–]DiebytheSword666 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                  I visited at my own peril.

                  Yep, she's seems a bit bat-shit crazy. She said that she had four dates with the guy - the first three being good. But she said "we" had to discuss things for an hour on the phone, at, what was it?, 1:00 AM. Guys don't need closure, it's obvious that she was bothering him. Christ, they didn't even have sex.

                  [–]ELLEN_POO 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  Small correction, only the high SMV men are dating the younger girls. The low SMV men aren't dating anyone at all.

                  [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  I want to feel bad but can't. I'm a little nervous the current age gap I'm used to is going to expand even more. I used to think "8" years was a big gap, now 20 years is nothing. If it gets to 30 years, well, whoa. It is what it is.

                  I've had some successes, but over my lifespan I've had far more rejections, dry spells, and periods of time where I couldn't pay a woman to have a cup of coffee with me.

                  [–]RedMoonAscendant 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  So damn good.

                  Just adding my data point out there for you youngsters that are feeling down. I'm 40+. LTR is HB9 who is 20 years my junior.

                  She's great. Mainly because she recognizes my value to her as a mate. As a 40+, my value is higher than when I was her age.

                  Fuck those girls your age in their 20's and just keep fucking girls that same age as you get older. They'll get better and better.

                  Never settle for a girl over 25. It's fine to keep her around forever, but your first date with her she must be under 25.

                  [–]paydenbts 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  "i am tired of ridding the dick caroussel, i am ready to commit!!!

                  guys..?..g-guys?!?"

                  [–]lodro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  "It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. "

                  Yeah, must be the logic. See - men just don't get it. They don't understand. Why are men so dumb?

                  Hips, tits, kindness, innocence, girlishness, youth, and a lack of mustachio - these things are obviously, rationally inferior to the power of a career driven woman who knows what she wants and won't take no for an answer because she's 38 and racked with testosterone.

                  Wait...

                  [–]blackierobinsin6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Appearently a guy she wouldn't want 10/20 years ago, now he's supposed to use those year to gain wealth and be with some old bich!?!?

                  [–]Makonar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  As a 34 yo who has been dating for 5 years a girl 9 years younger - I can assure you, that a 30+ yo woman would be nothing but baggage and arguing, the exact 2 things my gf lacks. It's funny how women always dream of dating a mature, adult guy - girls 14-18 always bragging about some 18-28 yo guy who would be their dream partner, but somehow, women 30-35 don't want to date men 39-45. It's twice as funny when you think how women at their teens are envious about their best friends older boyfriends, but when they hit their best before date, immediately, guys dating younger girls are creeps and younger girls are stupid bimbos.... funny how age changes women views, but most guys stay the same....

                  [–]ecosci 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Its not that women dont have options but her pool of alphas and badboys has diminished and to think she has to settle for beta bob makes them sad which is were the bitching starts from they all knew this day would come but didnt think it would come because of a favourble society and illogical reasoning lie in your beds cunts.

                  [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  less intimidating

                  What she thinks she is saying: She's a strong grrl and you should be impressed with her ability to have opinions, instead of running away from her like a scared boy.

                  What we hear her saying: She will have an opinion about everything and throw tantrums if she doesn't get what she wants. We have more important things to do with our time than trying to cage a harpy.

                  [–]Steve_Wiener 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

                  [–]1edwardhwhite 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  They act like what we want should be exclusive to them, that we should have no choice in our love lives simply because it is inconvienent to them.

                  [–]kgriffen 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Why would I want to date a woman who is more volatile, more intimidating, more questioning, more pressing, more complex, more damaged, more opinionated and more womanly (matronly)?

                  [–]squidracer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Because men like to be bossed around.. I had a woman say that to me this past week.

                  [–]RUSTY_LEMONADE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Intimidating, damaged, opinonated? Are these supposed to be virtues? These are obstacles at best, at worst they are a reason to next. WTF?

                  [–]vicious_armbar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  deleted What is this?

                  [–]waldo888 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Its the same game of expecting things to be like they were when it benefits them while enjoying the fruits of modern female life. These "Women" have no respect for nor any idea how to take care of a man at all. They only know how to get something from him. And they expect everything from him. If this guy is taking a young woman for sex only, that is how he also saw this older woman. There is no love, no fidelity, no connection, and no wife or pleasant womanly company just cheap pussy. So of course anything more attractive is better. It used to be you got everything if you gave up everything, and now you don't give shit besides a ride... guess what happens.. you only get a ride.

                  [–]yomo86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  College aged women are also less old.

                  [–]Venicedreaming 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Do tell how you tumbled on this article lol. With that said, women are past their prime at 30s, and youth is very attractive in a woman. People can deny all they want, no changing that

                  [–]joh2141 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Fuck I didn't even hit 30 and most girls I date around my age have so much baggage and bullshit crazy attitude like they think the president will eat her shit if she wanted. None of these girls have less than double digit partners. All of them are godforsaken sluts on top of having a million guy friends. Maybe it is just where I live but this is why no one wants to date a woman even close to or post 30. Shit I can get a girl who just entered college looking to have fun and explore new things. That's exciting. Instead I'm supposed to want some lunatic that thinks more emotional baggage and damage and drama is better than carefree, fun, adventure.

                  Full retard version of hamster mode there.

                  [–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  The party lifestyle ages anyone faster than they would have aged otherwise. Staying up all night, alcohol, and drugs will have you looking like 35 when you are only 25, and that's if you are lucky.

                  And this hits women harder than men because a woman that can't/won't put the bottle and pills away is very likely to bear deformed children- far more so than a man.

                  This is the trade-off for being the biological bottleneck bearer for human reproduction. A man looking for a long term mate is rightly wary of any woman that appears to have treated this power and attendant responsibility frivolously.

                  [–]TheRedChemist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Alex sees his stock rising. For a man, age brings success, wisdom, and the Hollywood-approved wrinkles of Robert Redford. And, while I too find that my career is on the up, it doesn’t matter, because time, for a woman, is hardly as kind as it is to a man.

                  Notice how all she sees is the injustice of his rising stock in the face of hers falling. Never mind the fact that he likely spent the previous 40 years of his life on the bottom looking up, fighting for scraps, while she enjoyed the perks of her own high value. She cannot even perceive it.

                  [–]Rougepellet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I love how she perfectly identifies all the evidence staring her kn the face but draws an absurd conclusion. Humans truly are irrational creatures. To shelter our fragile egos, because the truth hurts, we would rather fabricate a more pleasent version of our environment than accept reality.

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                  [–]Tarnsman4Life 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  The lack of self awareness is so funny. If the 30 year old woman had been smart she would have kept her partner count low or non existent , learned to cook, clean and be a good partner in her late teens/early twenties. Then by 21-25 she could have found someone of high value who would be willing to commit because her value in SMV and self worth is high.

                  Instead she probably spent her teens and 20's fucking anyone who was "hot" and would stick it in. Now that she is 30 she realizes that the age of the men interested in her has slowly creeped up into a range where the men she finds attractive won't commit to someone with the 1000 cock stare and can easily through their wealth and experience fuck younger, more fun, more attractive women. The men who will commit she finds unsuitable for various reasons thus they are invisible E: "I can't find a man!"

                  As for Alex I consider myself an Alex, I spent most of my 20's with the same woman. She was a good woman or so I thought but I got oneitis and found out about 7 years in she started fucking other guys (and women) behind my back. Now that I am over 30 I am taking full advantage to catch up by pulling 18-21 year olds with daddy issues. Spending most of my 20's nose to the grindstone with work and not solely focused on chasing pussy enabled me to get well ahead of my peers in my career, which has enabled me in part to pull these chicks.

                  [–]michael_wilkins 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I will start caring about a chick's masters degree in whatever she got it in when I can have sex with it.

                  [–]Venny_1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive

                  basic projection, but let's see what she means by that.

                  less striving

                  Striving means setting goals for yourself and trying to achieve them on a daily basis. A person studying daily for months for his finals is no less striving than an architect directing a project on a daily basis for months too.

                  less volatile

                  And that's a negative because?

                  less successful

                  Success is basically tied with striving. Striving is the journey itself, and success is the ending point. If the above is achieved, then succes will be close at hand.

                  less intimidating

                  If a woman applies the concept of intimidation in a relationship, then the guy needs to get the fuck out. Intimidation, or dread game, is a tool only to be had at a man's disposal. When applied by a woman, it SHOULD be useless.

                  less questioning, less pressing

                  Of course! The girls are in their sexual prime (early 20s), and the guys are in their sexual prime (late 20s-40s). They are just enjoying each other at their highest values!

                  less complex

                  Easy with the basic projection! You think having led 35+ years makes you complex? It's actions and mental fortitude that cover that, and not how long it takes to get there.

                  less damaged, less opinionated

                  I see only positives there.

                  less powerful

                  Yeah, cause behind every powerful woman, there is man, or did I get the saying wrong? Besides, I love me some bossy bitch!

                  less womanly.

                  By biological metrics alone, that is simply not the case. A 20 year old woman is more fertile, more beautiful, releases more pheromones for attracting mates, has lesser percentile chance to siren a child with birth defects or pregnancy complications, is psychologically not stunted, etc.

                  They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything -- like most of the guys I have dated in New York -- less is more.

                  Welcome to wall honey!!!

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