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29 year old woman wants her fiancee to understand she has too much self respect to perform certain sex acts AFTER he finds pictures of her doing these sex acts with her college boyfriend. (self.TheRedPill)

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TL;DR Man finds pictures of his fiancee performing sex acts on her old boyfriend. He's hurt she's never tried those acts with him. Her reasoning? She had no 'self-esteem' back then.

The poor beta fiancee was subjected to pictures of his girlfriend:

Roleplaying, bondage, anal. He was kind of kinky and he really really loved taking pictures of us naked. You name it, the photos were there. There were pictures of us having sex, there were nude pictures.

Of course the guy is blindsided:

I obviously knew he was upset. We talked on the phone today during our lunch breaks and he essentially told me he feels like I don't love him because a) I kept them and b) I was doing things I don't do with him in them.

She kept them because they were reminders of her old flame. Who keeps pictures like that?

A lot of the stuff I did in college was because I wanted my ex to love me and I was desperate for affection and I thought being in a relationship meant doing everything the other person wanted. That meant doing stuff I actually didn't like. I'm not that person anymore and I don't think the same way about sex anymore.

It's like she's a redpill strawoman. She did those things for Chad because she was afraid of losing him but she never has to worry about Beta dumping her so why would she ever put any effort into their sex life?

Her hamstering is hilarious:

I do believe in doing stuff for the people you love but I don't do sex stuff anymore that actively turns me off or that I don't enjoy. I'd totally dress up for him now that I now he'd want me to but I've always hated anal and I never want to do it ever again. I hate deepthroating. But now that he's seen photos of me doing that to another person he's taken that to mean that I just don't love him enough to do those things.

But I'm sure she expects her bf to go down on her every time they have sex.

Is it okay for me to not want to do these things with my partner? I feel shitty but I'm a little mad at the mentality that just because I did something with one person I have to do them with another. I just don't know what to tell him.

He's supposed to be home tomorrow night and he says he wants to discuss "where this relationship is going" which is anxiety-inducing.

This comment from /u/archwinger summarizes what this woman's fiancee is probably feeling:

The biggest, angriest lie that keeps "beta" men in check is the belief that women need to feel some kind of emotional connection with a guy before they'll be willing to have sex.

When a loser man learns that his wife/girlfriend was a super-slut, who can't even name or remember over half the people she fucked or messed around with, it hits him like a truck. All of that crap about how a woman needs to feel safe, comfortable, special, loved, and emotionally intimate is bullshit. She fucked all kinds of guys she barely knew, just for fun.

Then it dawns on him even more: all of the times she rejected his sexual advances because she didn't feel special, comfortable, loved, emotionally intimate -- that was all bullshit excuses to cover the fact that she just plain didn't want sex with him at all. If she wants sex, she doesn't need any of that - she just fucks for fun. But she's not into him, so she uses those excuses - those lies he's believed his entire life - to hide her lack of attraction to him.

Then, he feels used, exploited, tricked.


[–]joekrozak 794 points795 points  (98 children)

She hates it, yet she kept the pictures of it.

[–]LegElbow 92 points93 points  (2 children)

Precisely.

With women: action >>>>>>>>>>> words

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

And it was college. Cell phones weren't exactly high definition cameras ten years ago like they are today. These are likely from a digital camera that have since been stored on a computer hd or email, ie manually uploaded. These were intended to be kept.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 106 points107 points  (8 children)

That there was my major red flag reading the post. Why the fuck did she keep the pics?

Probably to still get off on them

[–]grimreaperx2 38 points39 points  (1 child)

No no, see she needs those photos to remind herself of those times she had "no self-esteem". It's just a way to keep herself inline. This snow flake has seen the errors in her ways and is on the road to redemption.

[–]LugerDog 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I could see this bitch saying almost exactly this.

[–]1Snivellious 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Well, even if everything she said about "not even knowing she had them" is true, there was a moment when she decided to stuff them in a box of English papers, tape it up, and ship it to her new house.

Y'know, instead of burning them the day after the breakup.

[–]Meglomaniac 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I have respect for a woman who hides all her past bullshit, legitimately hits the wall and tries to turn the leaf and not be a grade A slut (dont excuse her behavior) but doing things like holding onto photos, msging exes on facebook, etc..

[–]MakingItWorthit 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It would be one thing to turn over a new leaf and change entirely, and quite another to simply hide evidence while continuing the same shit.

[–]cleverley1986 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To shit test and sabotage her current bf when he eventually finds them.

[–]Psynaut 26 points27 points  (4 children)

I would bet $1,000 she masturbates to those pictures when she's feeling dirty; that's why she kept them.

[–]GasStationCoffee 41 points42 points  (43 children)

This infuriates me. I keep thinking I get out of the anger phase and this kind of shit drags me back in.

Why did she keep pictures of her ex? Why did she keep sex pictures? Why did she keep pictures of acts that she doesn't want to do?

My situation isn't this FUBAR, but there are parallels and it drives me insane.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (3 children)

Not only did she keep the photos but they were so handy and readily accessible that her BB could find them.

I might understand if you put them in a box down in the basement and sealed it up with tape 10 years ago and haven't looked at them since. Then you could plausibly say they don't mean anything and the mice droppings and nibbles on the photos would prove that.

But this bitch has them somewhere she can find them easily and her BB got ahold of them. That there is the problem. She kept them close to her and then she wants to say they don't mean anything?

I wear a gold earring that a girl gave to me 20 years ago. I never take it off. If a woman I'm dating asks me about it there is no way I can say it doesn't mean anything to me. It does and that's why it's always there.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I wear a gold earring that a girl gave to me 20 years ago. I never take it off. If a woman I'm dating asks me about it there is no way I can say it doesn't mean anything to me. It does and that's why it's always there.

"I dumped the girl, I kept the earring."

Sorted.

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If a woman I'm dating asks me about it there is no way I can say it doesn't mean anything to me.

I wear a ring from a gf that died from CF. Vowed to wear it til there is a cure.

And it doesn't hurt that story is a panty dropper.

[–]UniversalFapture 8 points9 points  (6 children)

I think that will be because it's all becoming painfully obvious to us men who were played.

I remember I fed, complimented, and even catered to my first crush just earlier this year. Stupid bitch never did return any of the favors.

Take it as a reminder that this is the world we live in, and that what worked for our fathers and grandfathers is obsolete.

It is what it is.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (24 children)

I keep thinking I get out of the anger phase and this kind of shit drags me back in.

You're looking at it wrong then.... really wrong.

There is no fault with her. She did what she wanted with her ex, and her new bf is a beta so she doesn't do shit. Which is fine.

If you're so beta that you get with a girl, she says "no" to everything you want, or in his case probably beg, to do, and you still propose to her, you're beta as fuck. it's that simple.

there's nothing to be mad about, you or him. Him because he made this situation 100% for himself, and you because what does it matter? A beta is being a beta, why get mad at that?

[–]GasStationCoffee 17 points18 points  (6 children)

there's nothing to be mad about, you or him. Him because he made this situation 100% for himself, and you because what does it matter? A beta is being a beta, why get mad at that?

You're implying that he made this situation himself, in a vacuum. If so, then I disagree.

For myself, I'm mad at situations like this because it's similar to my story, where I was told "Act this way and women will like you". Which was a fucking lie. I've been told all my life to act Blue Pill and that I'd have success with women.

As we're here, it's obviously BS. I'm mad at the liars for their falsehoods. I'm mad at the broken trust from those I held dear. I'm mad at myself for believing it. I'm mad at all the wasted time in my life that I can never get back.

[–]Gunnilingus 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I consider myself well out of the anger phase; branch-swinging, hypergamy, etc. no longer anger me. That said, there are certain qualities that inherent to AWALT that still and probably always will irritate me, because they are just shitty qualities for a human to have. Solipsism and the hamstering associated with it are prime examples. I have no patience for self-centeredness or rationalizing no matter who it's coming from, man or woman. Maybe OP feels the same and that's what angered him; I don't think there's anything wrong with that, or that he's necessarily looking at the anger phase wrongly.

[–]thejynxed 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I think he is angry that this kind of situation can even happen when it shouldn't ever.

[–]WillWorkForLTC 1 point2 points  (1 child)

why get mad at that?

The only reason this situation bothers me is due to seeing another blue piller that potentially could be free if he was just made aware of simple gender dynamics and psychology. Although I don't benefit from him swallowing the red pill I think society does and that aligns with my belief system more than "fuck that beta".

[–]1jb_trp 11 points12 points  (0 children)

And she can lie to his face about how "I didn't like it," but I'm sure the look on her face in those pictures show the truth: She loved it. Every minute of it.

[–]RedSugarPill 116 points117 points  (10 children)

Exactly. If that guy doesn't dump her ass, and if the rest of these beta pushovers don't wake the fuck up, I will be astonished. There is just too much information out there, and the brazen behavior of these cunts is just too dam far to ignore. It's time for the ranchers to rope these cattle back into their pens and turn the fences back on. On second thought, let's just fuck them all and let them run feral.

[–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (6 children)

Welcome to the real world Neo

[–]Cookiest 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I keep photos me doing deeply humiliating things that I'm completely ashamed of.

I don't want others to see these photos.

Every time I see them I'm reminded of how much suffering I went through.

But I keep them because I never, ever, ever EVER want to see them and be reminded of all these terrible things.

Why don't you guys understand this?

[–]dancing_junkie 7 points8 points  (2 children)

This person explains it perfectly as to why she didn't want to through it away.. haha of course! "I expect you probably didn't throw them away, because to throw them away you would have to think about them and you probably prefer to avoid thinking about them at all.".

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This person explains it perfectly as to why she didn't want to through it away.. haha of course! "I expect you probably didn't throw them away, because to throw them away you would have to think about them and you probably prefer to avoid thinking about them at all.".

She must have to get a new hamster, b/c that one's heart just gave out on the wheel!

[–]1iluminatiNYC 19 points20 points  (14 children)

Devil's advocate, but I'm not exactly fastidious about chucking old photos. I have photos from the past that I'm shocked I still have at times.

[–]Ekudar 117 points118 points  (12 children)

Is that of you taking anal or deepthroating a guy?

[–]HighOnLife 85 points86 points  (7 children)

Always reverse the story.

Man has pictures of him and women in his past doing stereotypical female-oriented things like ring and clothes shopping, nice dinners, cuddling, etc. Man keeps these photos, current woman finds them. How could she not question why she is not getting the same treatment?

Jesus, women have no introspection on the male perspective (beyond their own agency).

[–]Bearhardy 56 points57 points  (4 children)

"A lot of the stuff I did in college was because I wanted my ex to love me and I was desperate for affection and I thought being in a relationship meant doing everything the other person wanted. That meant doing stuff I actually didn't like. I'm not that person anymore and I don't think the same way about MONEY anymore"

Hilarious

[–]Godtiermasturbator 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Yep, flipping the script is something that has been popping up on TRP a lot lately, and it's awesome. Let's see how understanding she is when faced with the same situation. Unfortunately though, women are so fucked up they'd never cop to their own double standard.

[–]LugerDog 1 point2 points  (2 children)

My SO found all my pics of exes and just deleted them. Now i just have to keep ours encrypted. Went better then i figured. Thank god for the cloud.

[–]1Snivellious 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You missed the furious commenters on the original thread going "How dare you compare sex to romance, that's not a male equivalent, it's totally unrelated!"

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Is that of you taking anal or deepthroating a guy?

A guy that you don't like and who you felt compelled to service so he would like you better?

All those bad feelings about being sexually used by a lover and she kept the mementos.

[–]WillWorkForLTC 14 points15 points  (0 children)

All those bad feelings about being sexually used by a lover and she kept the mementos.

Most important point listed. Your one sentence explains everything.

[–]reigorius 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy. For a moment I was being swayed by her reasons of doing stuff she hated doing. But then again she kept the mementos of the acts she hates doing now and she did those acts to please her ex.

[–]PlanB_pedofile 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Would you keep photos of eating out a fatty or riding the land whale?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The compartmentalizing required here is baffling.

[–]GuitarHero07 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's just pure hamstering. She "hated it" and had "low self esteem" yet she is obviously looking back at those pictures from time to time and they were easily found by her fiancée.

If he has any sense, he should drop her like a bad habit.

[–]GuruDev1000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see why you got the gold. This one statement of yours is the most creative and foolproof argument against her.

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 144 points145 points  (3 children)

If she found pictures of the car gifts, exotic trips, lavish dates, heartbreakingly romantic sonnets, and high status social soirées BF took the ex to,, but never her, she would understand. And talk about self esteem would not cut it with her.

[–]JihadDerp 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Amen. Women never flip the script. They're too self absorbed.

I've dated girls so hot I WANTED to treat them to nice shit. And I've dated cows who I was ashamed to bring around to my friends/family.

If a hot gf hadn't met my family, but saw that I took some uglier ex to family dinner in the past, she'd flip her shit. Or instead of family dinner, bought jewelry, took on vacation, etc. You get the idea.

Too selfish. Can't walk a mile in their partner's shoes.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 219 points220 points  (51 children)

This is a good comment on the site.

Man, reddit really needs to make up its mind on this topic, because the hypocrisy is out of control. A girl writes: My guy doesn't want to perform cunnilingus. Reddit: dump that motherfucker, he should eat you out 24/7! A guy writes: my girlfriend used to do anal, now she won't. Reddit: Deal with it, it's her choice what she wants to do, nobody owes you anything!

Then the hamster responses are stuff like

You're really going to compare oral sex to anal penetration? Do you have any idea whatsoever how much anal sex HURTS or are you being willingly obtuse on the matter?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 95 points96 points  (47 children)

Do you have any idea whatsoever how much anal sex HURTS

IDK. What do the gays - especially those "power"bottoms - have to say to this?

[–]sir_wankalot_here 64 points65 points  (1 child)

From her comments it was not trying anal once but repeatedly doing anal with her exes. I never really had much interest in anal usually it was the chicks who wanted to try it and in most cases when I stuck it in, it hurt them too much.

If I wasn't so lazy I would message one of my exes and ask them what BS they tell their BFs. One of them who is engaged/married I did really nasty shit with her including threesomes. She told me her BF thinks she is sweet and innocent, but I never asked for details.

She is right about the sweet part she is sweet ☺

[–]yumyumgivemesome 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If I wasn't so lazy I would message one of my exes and ask them what BS they tell their BFs.

This would be very interesting to know. But if you aren't already on chatting terms with the girl, I wouldn't want to re-open that can of worms.

[–]ItsCold_ItsCold 112 points113 points  (9 children)

"Fuck my asshole because in my opinion it feels nice"?

[–]marrio91 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Well yeah, sounds like we're done here. Good work boys, we solved the case.

[–]MadChestHairYuKnight 13 points14 points  (7 children)

I haven't ever been penetrated by a penis but it may be that men have stronger (and wider?) assholes and it hurts less?

I don't have proof, just talking out of my asshole (pun intended).

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure the prostate factors in there somewhere too.

[–]thejynxed 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Erm, the male version of the G spot is located up the ass. Yippy.

[–]evileddy 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I wonder if it's because men take bigger shits because of all the meat we eat... and it toughens and strengthens our muscles from years of running a log factory down there.

[–]666Evo 14 points15 points  (2 children)

That was always my theory. Not many dicks are bigger than some of the shits I've taken...

[–]evileddy 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It's so fucking nice to have a real conversation like this in a relaxed environment.

[–]666Evo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

We discuss the pressing issues here.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (11 children)

"If it hurts you're doing it wrong."

They will tell you that you have to seduce that asshole. Lick it, rub it, lube it, and then finger it. Eventually working your way up to bigger objects until they WANT you to put your dick in there.

Also, make sure they take a shit before and douche their bung hole out because that shit's nasty.

[–][deleted]  (2 children)

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    [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    It's certainly a downer, although when I was younger there were times I was horny enough and drunk enough that I wouldn't have cared.

    What I don't like about anal is the lack of spontaneity. Unless she well broke in then she has to prepare herself. It's just easier to hit that pussy and I don't have to shower after.

    [–]reigorius 1 point2 points  (7 children)

    How do you douche it out? My water pressure is nothing and being distributed like rain. No probing hose to flood the a-hole.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    LOL, people forget "douchebag" is an actual personal care device.

    When used in the ass, the same thing is called an enema bag.

    You're welcome.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    Well, it helps to have one of those hand showers like some kitchens have on their sink.

    I have an old house that only has a bath tub with a hand shower. If you get the water hot you can massage the anus with it and the heat loosens up the sphincter. At that point, press the nozzle against the anus and force water inside. When no more will enter, release. Repeat and eventually the water goes deeper and you can clean out the last 12 inches of colon.

    This is a good way to introduce a girl to anal. Although, it's best to let her evacuate herself unless you want to end up like Tubgirl.

    Since you don't have water pressure then you can go to the drug store and buy an enema. They are just saltwater and they make her flush out.

    They also make enema bags that you can use. Just fill them up with hot water and insert into lubed and hopefully warmed bottom.

    [–]Ducman69 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    Or spend $20 and get a bidet attachment on Amazon. So many Americans think its too euro-faggy, but think about it; if you got shit on your hand would you just wipe your hand on toilet paper and call it a day? Hell no, you'd wash them with water. Same concept, you spray your butt and then wipe off dry with TP, and if you have sufficient water pressure on your house she can max out the pressure dial and probably have the water coming out her nose so she's DEEP clean!

    [–]adam_varg 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    Anal sex hurts only when giver is asshole or dont know how to do it right.

    All of my girls in last decade took in the ass on regular basis and all of them enjoy it. Some started prefer anal after getting used to it.

    Pain during anal is sympton of not doing it right, actually you have should stop immedietely. There can be unplesant feeling at start, but no bad pain!

    [–]analfanatic 11 points12 points  (19 children)

    It still can hurt. Also, women don't have prostates up their ass

    [–]truchisoft 43 points44 points  (0 children)

    Every woman I have been with, liked anal, no exceptions.

    But every woman I was in a relationship with, I fucked in the ass at the beginning but witdrawed anal sex when I became a fucking mangina doing chores like I was taught to do.

    Nowadays they ask me please to fuck them in the ass.

    For people with a little more experience (over 30) the red pill really feels like talking the fucking pill from the matrix movie.

    [–]Redasshole 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, it can hurt but like every slut I've been with told me

    • "the fact that it hurt is part of the experience"

    To put it in the nutshell, they like it when it hurts. (but just a little, don't put some weird things in her ass)

    [–]detachedbymarriage 2 points3 points  (13 children)

    Genuinely serious question...

    Is that a plus or negative when dealing with anal?

    [–]neededsomething 8 points9 points  (10 children)

    Having a prostate is a huge plus.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (9 children)

    Prostate orgasms are the BEST. Probably 3x better than P+V sex.

    [–]MadChestHairYuKnight 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Sometimes I wish I should go all men and forget about women.

    [–]reigorius 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Ah, that's why gay guys fuck like rabbits.

    [–]Cr3X1eUZ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Right, and that's why they're always fighting over who gets to be the bottom.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I had a girl go at my gooch one time way back when.

    Blew my mind that I didn't even know about it.

    Its like a dudes clit.

    [–]TurgidMeatWand 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    You don't just ram it in and it takes a bit of solo practice to be skilled enough to let someone do it to you.

    But goddamn, once you can manage a real dick and not some overpriced doggy chew toy, it's amazing.

    My insides felt like they were going down a water slide filled with warm jello

    [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 128 points129 points  (26 children)

    I thought being in a relationship meant doing everything the other person wanted.

    "For a man who gives me real tingles, I'll do anything he wants."

    I don't think the same way about sex anymore.

    "Sex used to be enjoyable, now it's a job. I'm not doing overtime anymore."

    I hate deepthroatingmybeta.

    I feel shitty but I'm a little mad at the mentality that just because I did something with one person I have to do them with another. I just don't know what to tell him.

    "He's right, but he's not my alpha so he can fuck off. I don't know how to spin this."

    I'll bet it's strong showing for the WhiteKnight, Beta and Sisterhood societies in that thread. I don't even have the patience to look.

    [–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (2 children)

    Exactly. If Drake or Justin Beiber or whatever celebrity she wants to fuck asked for sex, not only would she cheat on her husband, she'd take it up her butthole without even thinking twice.

    [–]INomYou 55 points56 points  (1 child)

    And whisper it to her bff as a point of pride "After I blew the roadie crew to get to Drake, he came in my ass during a set change. Best 90 seconds of my life."

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    Same thread as every one in relationships or deadbedrooms...

    I'm surprised more people don't know the script before posting to there

    [–]wehadtosaydickety 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    I found the advice there terribly inconsistent, which is to be expected I suppose. My ex was textbook TRP field report material but I hadn't swallowed yet and didn't know it. I had problems for months and would occasionally post to r relationshipsI would get wildly different threads each time, it seemed like whatever the first answer or two was, the herd went with it.

    There ended up being some helpful stuff eventually.. Basically 'dude your gut is telling you something, she is being sketchy, walk away.' Long story short I dumped her for a groupie incident she showed off and lied about, classic alpha widow stuff.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    That's why the sidebar is important. Most here aren't very good at it, and without a solid base, you can't tell the good from the bad.

    [–][deleted]  (9 children)

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      [–]interestedplayer 58 points59 points  (6 children)

      Those are not RP truths, they are pissed off betas. The RP truth is you can not negotiate desire. It's her biology, he has to make it work. You can't put responsibility on a woman, there's a reason we say "most responsible teenager in the house".

      [–]1Snivellious 28 points29 points  (0 children)

      There are also several people pushing more sincerely RP points: namely, that this is about respect and can't be fixed.

      That even if her previous relationship was unhealthy and born of desperation to keep the guy, that still means she's much less worried about keeping the current guy, and that her respect ladder is CollegeBF>Herself>Fiance. So even if she has every right to not do those things, he still needs to walk because he's (unfixably) undesirable to her.

      [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Yep. Women are barely logical at the best of times. You can't negotiate attraction, you have to inspire it.

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

      If it were the truth, it would be telling the dude to stop with the bitch behaviour and man up. Treat her like a sex object to get her to act right

      [–]JonThe5th 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      The last guy that fucked her ass and throat didn't do it by begging and pleading that she did it for old boyfriends. He put her on her knees and used the bitch how he wanted.

      [–]BramRhodesDouglas 17 points18 points  (6 children)

      I actually don't think she's conscious of her behavior. The primary mechanism for this is the hamster. She doesn't know because she isn't cognizant; as a woman she possesses a lower level conciousness. I honestly think she has no idea that she loves wild sex and that her BF doesn't turn her on.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 9 points10 points  (5 children)

      Of course not! This is about #3 or #4 on the list of most common mistakes redpillers make which keep them from internalising everything and moving on from this sub. If the points mechanism worked I'd (Alt+11) you.

      But if she were cognizant, this is what she would be saying. It's what she is saying, she just doesn't know it.

      [–]BramRhodesDouglas 30 points31 points  (4 children)

      This was probably the single most shocking thing for me to realize as I went down the rabbit hole. It's amazing how ignorant modern man is of female nature. It's fucking unreal to me too that women are constantly presented as our equals yet they have a fundamentally different perception of reality compared to man. This may be the exact cause of the popular opinion that women are mysterious and difficult to understand. The mystery immediately evaporated when I realized there is no mystery to them at all. There is almost nothing fascinating or intriguing about a woman beyond her anatomy.

      It makes perfect sense that only a privileged class could vote in the past. Since women in general can't introspect I see little reason to take anything they say or think seriously. When I first took the pill I thought they were just great liars (and hey they often are great liars). But really most of the time they're not lying, they're just extremely clueless about reality because they don't possess the mental mechanisms (like objectivity and rationality) necessary to fully grasp truth. Nor do they have a curiosity about reality. They don't give a fuck about reality. I think this is due to the fact that their reward centers only give them dopamine hits when they do girly shit. What a mind fuck. And to think I thought I'd have a female conversation partner who would one day be my wife even though virtually every example of a woman in my life was totally blind, ignorant, or uninterested in anything dealing with straight fact.

      What may be even crazier to me is that my interactions with women are so sweet, flirty, and great now that I know they are irrational, feral little automatons that follow their tingles and instinctual programming. You'd think this would make me bitter or abusive toward them. Honestly, I pity them (though it definitely helps that I've never really been hurt too badly by women and that women have tits, ass, etc.). This is so fucking wild to me man. I don't even know what to say.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      It's the hardest thing in the anger phase to get over. I think I'll write a post about it, actually. Nothing new but every now and then we need to repeat ourselves on here for the ever-increasing membership.

      It's hard because it takes a huge amount of maturity. It's hard because it's so damn easy to scorn, pity and look down on women when you have unplugged.

      It's the ability to be genuine friends with the incredibly entitled rich kid on your block, even though his overbearing parents treat you like shit, condescend to you, viciously attack your identity, label you all manner of vile things, all while lessening any sort of adversity felt by their already privileged offspring while you are dirt poor, clothed in rags, fighting for everything you have.

      But it's not the kid's fault, and the kid is genuinely unaware of it. You can never be that kid's friend until you stop blaming them for it entirely. That takes a huge amount of maturity and self-discipline.

      Though of course some women are aware, I just avoid them and so should you.

      [–]NecroticFury 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Fuck that. See a rich kid has no doubt he is rich.

      A woman actually thinks she is a victim of society and not entitled by it.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      It's an imperfect analogy. The post I'll write will explain it better.

      [–]1Snivellious 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      You might be surprised if you actually do check it out. Lots of people who suck, but the highest up posters are (politely, in /relationships acceptable tones) explaining why he's totally right to be hurt, and she can't fix this by talking.

      Bonus points to the guy who explains that even if this was just about her previous lack of self-respect, it still means current-fiance is at the bottom of the respect ladder and ought to leave.

      [–]LuvBeer 310 points311 points  (49 children)

      Met girl on tinder

      Brazilian, she speaks no English, I speak no Portuguese

      Without being able to communicate except through sign language, brought her back to my place, got her a glass of water and we fucked

      fucked her a few more times

      anal, rimming, swallowing, took pictures of her

      thru google translate she says that she doesn't like local guys because they're "perverts" and "don't respect women"

      lol

      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 50 points51 points  (0 children)

      If only tinder brahs were as chivalrous as you.

      [–]stdTrancR 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      Best part is the glass of 'water'.

      [–]yumyumgivemesome 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      She did this really hot thing during sex where she pretended to be asleep for a few hours.

      [–]clint_bronson 70 points71 points  (36 children)

      Not respecting women is treating them as equals. They're not equals, do not treat them as such.

      [–]Fafner2 51 points52 points  (27 children)

      Shit man I can't do a woman's job in the kitchen so I guess they beat me in that department

      Oh wait most modern whores can't even cook and clean, nevermind

      [–]MadChestHairYuKnight 8 points9 points  (18 children)

      Where did they lose that skill? Makes me mad...

      [–]DennisReynoldsAMA 26 points27 points  (16 children)

      When they started rallying for feminism

      [–]MadChestHairYuKnight 12 points13 points  (14 children)

      I never go into a relationship unless the woman is atleast willing to learn how to cook.

      My prev girlfriend (and still my only ltr), I made my mother teach her how to cook. That was a wise decision on my part.

      [–]Fafner2 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      I give you props for taking the incentive-- very RP thing to do. Too many BP idiots let this slide, without knowing how important a woman's domesticity is, might make a post on this. My cousin is a great BB example-- earns a ton as a doctor yet has a wife that barely knows anything about cooking, hires a nanny, constantly orders out, etc. Love him like a brother but I really fear for his future with the red flags I'm seeing. The only plus side is that his wife doesn't look like an ex-CC rider, at least not from what I can gather, but who knows

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      Most women don't respect men to the degree we demand, makes sense to treat them as equals.

      [–]2niczar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      She's not lying. There's just a couple words missing. She hates that the local guys she wants to fuck are perverts and don't respect women. The guys won aren't and do don't exist, from a sexual point of view.

      [–]ferengiprophet 34 points35 points  (0 children)

      I grew up in an extremely religious home and sex was super taboo and he was super uninhibited so I tried a lot of things

      Religious girl fucked a confident guy who knew what he wanted. Sounds like he was her alpha fucks.

      A lot of the stuff I did in college was because I wanted my ex to love me and I was desperate for affection and I thought being in a relationship meant doing everything the other person wanted.

      He knew exactly how to handle her to the point that she did things just to please him.

      AF/BB.

      [–]Lifio 91 points92 points  (1 child)

      Now imagine that this girl finds pictures, dozens of pictures, of her current boyfriend and his exes. Except in this case, said pictures are taken at five star hotels in the Maldives, Europe, Hawaii, basically the best destinations for a vacation. Also, there are many pictures of her current boyfriend offering flowers to the girls that were at that time his girlfriends, buying nice necklaces and rings, the best chocolate and so on. Now lets imagine what would this girl feel, how would she tell him to do this stuff for her too, and her reaction when he says that he is not like that anymore, he has too much self-respect to be that person again, I mean, I might guess what her reaction would be, but we will never know.

      [–]Haakon_Stormbrow 84 points85 points  (7 children)

      From her response a little further down the page: "But the thing is that I wasn't more attracted to or in love with them - I was just a girl who didn't know how to say no."

      THEM.... So its not just this one guy from college..

      [–]2Overkillengine 49 points50 points  (0 children)

      THEM.... So its not just this one guy from college..

      "It was just a phase!"

      Sure babe. Right.

      [–]needsomehelp3211 20 points21 points  (5 children)

      Good catch. Rmember, if a woman tells you she's been with X number of guys, add 3-4 to that in order to get the actual number.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 23 points24 points  (1 child)

      add or multiply!?

      Some just straight out lie... remember girl from marriage/polygraph post? "I gave my usual number, five..... " (it was really 17 or something)

      [–]TheLife_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It doesn't really matter. If they fail the dick-stacking test by 3 or 4 or by 17. They fail. If you make a small extension to the rule and LTR her, you're only damaging your own standards, your own wallet and your own SMV.

      [–]vitriolicnaivety 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      add multiply by 3-4

      FTFY

      [–][deleted] 86 points87 points  (1 child)

      "Good for you and your new standards, I wish you luck in your relationships"

      Only thing that really needs to be said

      [–]Njncguy 42 points43 points  (11 children)

      Painful. The guy should part ways. I married a 100+ sex partner woman. To her credit, she at least told me about her past before we married. But I was already in love with her.

      Some 18 years later (and 2 kids) we divorced. THE core problem was her desire for me was limited. Although the first few years seemed to be good, the last 12 were a downhill slide to utter misery for me.

      I was her "comfortable shoe" beta bucks of a husband. She only "enjoyed" sex with me in one position. No oral or anything adventurous. Ever.

      Turns out she was living a secret life of multiple lovers for at least the last ten years. As I found out, the sex she had was highly adventurous. She could fit in crazy wild sex 4 or 5 times per week while rejecting me for two or months at a time. Afterall, as she said, I had unrealistic expectations about sex in a LTR with small kids around.

      Bottom line, she enjoyed -- had to have -- sex with guys she genuinely felt the hots for. I wasn't one of them.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 23 points24 points  (4 children)

      Thanks for sharing this, it must have been incredibly painful to write.

      Afterall, as she said, I had unrealistic expectations about sex in a LTR with small kids around.

      And this just goes to show how deeply women lie in order to further their AF/BB strategy.

      I don't think I'll ever accept any reason to not have sex with a woman ever again as valid. Every single time on this sub, "I can't have sex because ...." means "I want to sex someone else".

      [–]Njncguy 13 points14 points  (2 children)

      Bingo (mostly). But I don't think life (and my own situation) is as simple as the alpha fucks vs. beta bucks scenario I've given.

      For one, there's the excitement of sex with a new partner. As my now ex wife said to me in a moment of candor at the end the "forbidden fruit" of an affair made for "exciting sex". And then there's also the classic TRP factor of me needing to improve myself and thus also improving my sexual desirability.

      But still, at the core she just simply liked fucking around. And she just didn't "get off" on me. Jeez, I remember at the end, in feeling sorry for herself, she told me how she told one of her lovers that she was married to someone (me) whom she couldn't stand to have even touch her. ... Well, she can go fuck herself. Why the hell was she lying to me all those years and tearing me down in the process? Just GD leave.

      Note: I've had other postings on this time in my life. Sorry if I'm a repeat for some of the readers.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Black Dragon (blog) says it really well. That relationships have a three year expiry date (absolute maximum). After that she'll lose attraction for you not matter what you do or have done. His solution (and mine) is multiple long term relationships. Most (non BP) men seem to come to this conclusion eventually.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Its not an uncommon thing. The pinnacle of female strategy is the best genes for her offspring, AND the best nest to raise them in. Even in situations where she gets the genes and nest from the same provider, she still has that biological call of the wild to get gina tingles from alpha males. Women are always true to their best interests, unlike men. And thats part of why males and females are incompatible for LTR's.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Thats why LTR's are a waste of time. When the excuses start rolling just bounce. Nothing left to talk about. Even if the excuses were valid it doesnt matter. A females primary worth is sex. If she cant deliver that, then she isnt worth having anymore. When the cow is out of milk, you get a new cow. You dont feed the useless cow for 20 more years out of the goodness of your own heart. Its just business.

      [–]chief_slap_ahoe 72 points73 points  (9 children)

      never settle on a woman that has and will do more with thier exes.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 61 points62 points  (6 children)

      If she did more than she does with you, it's because you haven't earned the status required in her eyes.

      It's not her, it's you.

      [–]bigmfkr 51 points52 points  (2 children)

      Your remark is 100% true. But it still is not a good idea to settle for such a woman. Significantly improving your SMV, especially when in an LTR, is a long and time consuming process. Chances are, by the time you are more desirable than her previous lovers, she's going to be old.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorScholarInRed 21 points22 points  (1 child)

      I never advocated doing so. I take Mark Manson's stance; "If she doesn't answer 'Fuck yes!' to a chance to see me, then I'll see her around."

      [–]trancedj 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Fucking perfect. I'm saving that one. I like it better than "you can fuck me or fuck you".

      Here's a couple I keep close to the chest regarding abundance mentality:

      "She's not yours, is only your turn" and "She was already gone the moment you met her".

      [–]CuntyMcFagNuts69 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      The important word in your post was "will"

      Chad leaves a permanent itch on their pussy

      [–]IASGame 50 points51 points  (5 children)

      This is classic "Saving the Best" material: http://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/ Still the most chilling blog post I read on the Rational Male.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 23 points24 points  (3 children)

      Damn. That poor bastard. I wonder what ever happened? Is there an archive of the OP's original post? The links to it now are dead. I'd love to read the comments, from what was said in TRP thread about the comments in his original thread, he grew some balls in those comments.

      She knew she fucked up bad, and he was 100% correct. She just plain didn't want to fuck him. Nothing more. Nothing less. She just did not desire him in that way, he was just the safest guy for her to have a family with.

      She never truly cared for him, she only truly cared for herself, and he was a the best means to that end.

      [–]IASGame 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      I think the guy used as example in Rollo's blog post posted a sequel with a new nickname (so maybe was just a sock puppet).

      If it was true the guy stuck around with the girl for at least a bit further, having negotiated that she had to do everything with him (and she was).

      He had scheduled a 3-some (he had invited someone from his work, but she vetted that, he told her then you have to get someone, she got a friend). No news after that but I don't think it could have ended well.

      Negotiated desire isn't genuine.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Wow....would have loved to read all that happened there.

      Thanks for the update.

      [–]VodkaTankerSpill 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Fuck, the last line is like the straw that broke camels back. Off to the gym to build better back!

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi 27 points28 points  (2 children)

      You know it's funny now, but when I wrote Saving The Best (which is yet another repeat of this very common story) I got run up the flagpole for that guy's story being a troll job, an isolated thing or simply untrue.

      It is incumbent on a man to enter into anything like monogamy with a woman with his eyes wide open. There is a huge double standard that shames men for even being concerned with a woman's sexual history. The latent purpose of that shame is to keep you ignorant of the plan women's Hypergamy has for your role.

      It's ugly. The harsh truth (like the guy in this link's story as well as Saving the Best) is women will readily bang the Alpha with the most minimal of his investment while making the Beta wait, making him feel bad for asking about that Alpha, making him invest himself wholesale into her very precarious control of Frame in order to get not even a half-measure of the genuine sexual desire she held for that Alpha.

      When that truth is unignorable, even by the most rank of Blue Pill Beta men, that's when she falls back on ready rationalizations of personal conviction – she was so desperate for the Alpha's love she was willing to do all the kinky shit he demanded of her. None of that sexuality was her idea.

      For all of the flaunting of Open Hypergamy this is the inconvenient, damning truths the FI hopes you will simply overlook because "we should all just grow up and accept how things are" or else shame you for being concerned with your own exploitation.

      The ugly truth is that the sexual best you hoped the woman you've decided to spend the rest of your life with would give you was willingly, with abandon, given to her past Alpha lovers.

      [–]IASGame 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I can't know how these guys felt but I think the worst is not that the women in question did these things in the past, or even hid the truth (while keeping the proof around in many cases).

      I think the worst for the guys in situations like these is that the women's "best" for them so clearly demonstrates: she doesn't genuinely desires him.

      [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      These pictures were physical, which is an anomaly; it's usually FB, IG, Twitter, Tumblr, Flickr, etc that busts these women.

      I'm a firm believer that the internet and modern technology will be the two-headed monster that is the undoing of the last vestiges of Discreet Hypergamy. Two headed monster because these women simply cannot help themselves from collecting this online social validation, but at the same time, they are jeopardizing the Discreet Hypergamy that has worked for them for ages ad infinitum, by posting ever-persistent photo evidence of their sluttery.

      This is why, as you have illustrated, women have just now in the last couple of years decided to go for broke and openly and wantonly embrace Open Hypergamy. They've subconsciously made a decision between keeping up the electronic validation seeking, or to protect Discreet Hypergamy, and they've obviously chosen the former.

      And it's not hard to see why; they've rolled the dice on a gamble that the beta bux would keep on flowing, even if BB knew he was a BB, and the gamble has paid off big time. They got away with it, and they will continue to get away with it. Rare is the instance these BB's discover their snowflake's past debauchery and leave them over it. The thirst is simply too palpable.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 26 points27 points  (1 child)

      The pictures were, "tragically documented," but yet Chad was kind enough to return them and that tragedy turned into a memory she just didn't want to forget.

      If those pictures were such a got damned tragedy, she'd have burned them.

      When will women understand that sex to men = a sign of love. When that sign is taken away, or even an epiphany about why certain sexual acts were denied, everything is questioned. It would be like a woman in an LTR who has a man who's distant that doesn't listen or talk to her, and only touches her to have sex, finds out her man goes to the neighbor lady's house after work every day to cuddle and talk about their day.

      Seems obvious, but obviously isn't something they realize naturally, because vagina.

      [–]NecroticFury 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      they know what they are doing. how could they possibly brag about it to their friends otherwise?

      RP is useless if you lose your ability to place moral blame. If you look at a woman as anything morally equal to you, you'll lose her. Assume hypergamy will take her over at some point.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      The comments section has some illustrative gender reversals:

      How would you feel if you found a stack of love letters your ex saved from an old girlfriend, and in those letters you discovered the he was an expert masseuse, and would give her full body massages, and he was skilled in tantric sex and was able to have sex for hours and provide her with brain altering orgasms. He would write her poetry, and draw her hot baths, and they would spend weekends in bed cuddled. But he's never done any of these things with you.

      When you discuss what was in the letters he tells you that he never really liked any of that stuff, he did it because he thought he needed to do it in order for her to stay with him and love him. How would you feel? Would you want him to do those things with you? Would you feel like you are somehow 2nd rate? Would you think that he was more in love, or more attracted to her, or that she was just overall better? If you asked him to do any of those things and he declined would you feel completely rejected?

      And:

      Imagine yourself sitting there on the couch watching netflix with him and somehow you see pictures of him on someone's Facebook visiting Paris or Rio in a private jet with an ex girlfriend of his. You ask him about it and why he never thought to take you on extravagant romantic trips and he just says "Oh I just wanted to please those girls, I didn't really enjoy it myself". Can you really say you wouldn't think "So he did want to please them in that way, but doesn't want to please me like that"?

      This issue gets brought up rather frequently and this is the fundamental point everyone on this sub seems to miss. It's not about the sex. It's about you being willing to please an ex in ways you're not willing to please your current SO. That draws a direct comparison between your current SO and your ex and shows pretty conclusively that you cared more in some way for your ex than you do for your current. You can insert any other non sexual activity or form of showing affection in place of sex.

      "I was willing to (insert thing your current SO enjoys) with other people because I knew it made them happy. I know it makes you happy too but I'm not willing to do it with you". If you don't think that sort of thing would make anyone feel like shit, I don't know what to tell you.

      [–]anonymousapple111 20 points21 points  (0 children)

      In the comments "He's just being insecure".Fuckin' wow!!

      [–]1NV0K3R 35 points36 points  (6 children)

      One day, I will make a thread.

      It will consist of this same exact scenario, but reversed.

      "So...today I found out that my boyfriend used to take his ex on cruises, romantic holiday get aways, fancy restaurants, resorts, you name it. But with me...I think we've been to outback once."

      Etc etc.

      [–]1DRMMR76 26 points27 points  (0 children)

      Don't overdo it, and make sure you have a lot of fluff and woman-speak filler in there to make it more believable.

      [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

      Marriage is a tricky proposition at best when all the stars line up correctly. If you are sexually frustrated during engagement that's a big fucking problem.

      If your fiancee won't get freaky deeky - DO NOT MARRY THAT BITCH - regardless of whether or not a Chad ever defiled her before you knew her.

      This is it man - during the engagement a woman generally is doing the runner's kick to get to the finish line. She certainly doesn't want to fuck things up now - and if she doesn't want to get crazy sexy fun with you that's a HUGE RED FLAG.

      I seriously don't know why guys put up with this shit. Are they so fucking desperate they think the little breadcumbs of pussy a former carousel riding narcissist may drop in exchange for the beta bux is better than no pussy at all?

      No man should put up with that.

      She should be worshipping your cock like a fervent fertility priestess. She should be all about it - down for whatever non-creepy shit you want to get playful with.

      If you say "Honey I want to fuck you in the ass."

      She should respond "OK just get me drunk and make sure you use lube" and while you're banging that ass she should be moaning "oh yeah fuck my ass."

      She should be looking to make a time of it - not being a mega bitch about it. You're the guy she's going to marry - she should want to fuck you. If she doesn't - then you know you're just a beta bux to her. Fuck that noise.

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      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron 22 points23 points  (1 child)

      I did anal with him because I felt like I had to in order to be a good girlfriend. I was deeply afraid he'd leave me.

      This is why dread is needed and useful. I've been preaching it since ingestion: the anxiety a woman feels when her man is desired by other women is healthy. It keeps her focused on you, attracted to you, and happy. Yes, happy. She has a man desired by other women, which is all women ever really want. What other women think of you is more important than your bank account, your biceps, your looks, or your lifestyle.

      Give a girl a choice between a good looking guy with a nice car who isn't desired by other women - especially those in her circle - or a guy who is a 5 and drives a cavalier, but is and desired by other women - especially those in her inner circle - and she takes the Cavalier guy 10 times out of 10.

      [–]my_redpill_account 17 points18 points  (4 children)

      Man constantly seeing women not understand these things guys feel is depressing. It's like they can't even begin to try to understand.

      Oh well.

      [–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 25 points26 points  (2 children)

      they can't even begin to try to understand.

      Solipsism is when you believe that your views and perspectives are the only ones possible. She feels what she feels, and doesn't feel what she doesn't feel - and she can't conceive of any other way.

      depressing

      Don't let this knowledge depress you. Instead, think how fortunate you are to be forearmed.

      Take the fiance in this story, for example, do you see the mistake that he made? He tried to reason with her. He told her that he was hurt by what he saw. He naively expects her to say, "oh okay, yeah, that makes sense that you'd feel that way - tell you what, I'll kick it up a notch in the bedroom so that you don't feel that way anymore."

      He fails! But you, armed with this knowledge, can predict that his response isn't going to get him what he desires. You can't make them understand. You have to make them feel.

      When a woman feels attraction, her solipsism works in your favor. It's also useful (though I wont address the morality of it) to make her feel dread that you might leave. Regardless, feeling is what motivates her. Don't bother talking about it.

      [–]1KissTheBridesmaid 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      You can't make them understand. You have to make them feel

      This is one of the most important things I learned on TRP and it has helped me so much. Always remember this when you are trying to reason with a woman!

      [–]my_redpill_account 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Very good points. Thanks for provoking some thought.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Understand? I think that they understand.

      They know that it's not in their best interests to admit these things.

      Outliers aside, if a woman steps outside of her shield of plausible deniability she either thinks that she "holds all of the cards" in the situation, she is so worked-up that she is caught up in a purely emotional state*, or the benefits of going overt in the moment far outweigh the future protections plausible deniability would provide.

      * Causing her to disregard her logical side which would normally be feeding her the consequences of her actions.

      [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      There have been a shit ton of alpha fucks, beta bucks examples lately.

      This is not an accident. Understanding women's sexual strategy is the cornerstone of a man developing his own effective strategy

      Once you truly understand what gives women the tingles, then the process becomes almost laughable, they want non needy masculine men with status

      [–]michael_wilkins 23 points24 points  (3 children)

      I think I'm going to start taking photos of Girls on their phone just so their loser husbands can find them years later.

      It'll be my new hobby.

      [–]Kalidane 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      Yup, do it as a matter of policy. It's 'safer' when the pics are on her phone.

      Then have her send the pics to you. But only tell her once. If she doesn't send them, she doesn't get to take new ones.

      [–]NecroticFury 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      it doubles as proof of consent, have her take the photos, with her phone, and send them to you.

      [–]Kalidane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I forgot to mention that aspect - yep it's a critical element of legal defense; that and a text message or two later.

      Fucking sad that it comes to this.

      [–]WingsnLV 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      She kept the pictures. That is all you need to know about this situation. If she didn't enjoy these things she would not have kept the pictures.

      [–]philly2shoes 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      I think this is a good barometer. If your wife did things in the past that she won't do with you, you might be a beta.... Take note, people.

      [–]chill1995 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      Who the fuck keeps physical pictures of them and an ex going at it?

      [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 20 points21 points  (0 children)

      A chick who would rather rub her clit to those pictures than have sex with her current boyfriend or husband.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

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      What is this?

      [–]Stalgrim 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      What a lucky guy, they're only engaged. He can, I'm pretty sure, still dump her now WITHOUT consequence (and I hope that since he's only in his 20's, still find someone else) before he's trapped in a marriage with her in their mid 30's with several kids and she slowly cuts the sex down to MAYBE three times a year, if at all.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      "Nobody wants a woman with dignity. You ever have a girl, when you're doing her doggy style, keeps trying to look back at you? What kind of shit is that?"-Patrice Oneal. lose the chick. She's been used up and is bitter about it. Dumb chicks nowadays don't know that you're supposed to lose your dignity with your husband/LTR, that way he still has intentions to keep her afterwards.. If she loses dignity to a stranger, they both lost something. He lost all respect for women, and she learned that she's not worth respect.. The red pill is a hard swallow even for women.

      [–]jasonmiles2014 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      The more I read through this, the more I am sickened by this whore.

      [–]hebola4lyfe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      80% of women are like this nowadays

      [–]B_Campbell 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      She only keeps those pictures of her doing those things to remind herself how much stronger she is now. Lol

      [–]MobilePenor 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      It is sad, really. On one hand, sexual preferences can shift during lifetime. I used to like putting my dick in a woman's ass, now I find it kinda disgusting.

      But with women you can never be sure if she really has changed her taste or if she is just using you as beta bux so she just does the minimum.

      Of course if she's using "self-respect" as the explanation, you should probably bet on you being the beta bux.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Her "self-respect" wouldn't be an issue if she had the opportunity for a present-day clandestine rendezvous with Chad.

      [–]ZioFascist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      the funny thing is SHE LOVED getting dicked down in the ass and face fucked by chad. that's the funny part. her bf is a beta dweeb

      [–]4juice 8 points9 points  (6 children)

      Did the beta fiance asked her to do it with him? If he doesn't, he shouldnt expect the girl to do stuff like she did in college back then. He's crying over spilt milk. If he did but the girl in question rejected him, that is another story. Just my opinion.

      [–]2Overkillengine 11 points12 points  (4 children)

      asked her to do it

      If she actually desired him; he would not even have to ask, she would be doing it unprompted.

      [–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 16 points17 points  (3 children)

      I think you're overstating it a bit. It's a man's responsibility to take charge and lead in the bedroom.

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        [–]1Snivellious 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        There are still some "Don't be a slut" cultural standards in full force, and women bringing up kinky/degrading bedroom practices would still break those.

        [–]1Snivellious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        He did (for some things). She mentions deep in the comments that he asked about outfits (they did that), asked about anal and deepthroating (she refused) and then never asked about anything further.

        She has a moment of insight and points out: "I guess maybe after I shot down anal and deepthroating he didn't bother asking about other stuff he thought I might think was too raunchy?"

        [–]1KissTheBridesmaid 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        OK The chick is clueless and the comment posters even more so. But in all likelihood, so is the guy in this story.

        If he knew how to give her tingles or properly lead her / make things fun for her in the bedroom he would be doing all those things.

        Her ex knew how to turn her on. He was uninhibited (as she puts it) and kinky and shameless.

        She thinks it was a phase, it was not. It wasn’t ‘just experimenting’, it never is. She would do those things again tomorrow with the right guy and love it.

        [–]Limekill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        He's supposed to be home tomorrow night and he says he wants to discuss "where this relationship is going" which is anxiety-inducing.

        So her BF who she apparently "loves him endlessly" could be ending their relationship and she finds that "anxiety-inducing"...

        Poor bastid... and he thought she really loved him....

        [–]JihadDerp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Chris Rock has a bit about exactly this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNFpQ9Nr1z4

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        If you hate sucking dick then you don't ever try to learn how to deep throat a cock.

        That takes passion and a desire to be really good at something. She explored her sexuality and found she had a natural talent for taking a dick deep down her throat. Now she wants to convince her future beta bucks that it was all about self-esteem.

        She's a god damn liar. Why would she keep the photos if she wasn't turned on by them?

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Not only they limit their sex positions. They also dry up fast. Without lube it's impossible to finish off with a rubber.

        [–]drallcom3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I'm always amazed that people leave nude pictures and dirty conversations around unprotected. This subreddit wouldn't even be half as fun if people would actually protect their secrets.

        [–]evilkenevil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        How refreshing the mature woman is. I'm sure she's mature enough to understand why he has other girlfriends besides herself. I'm sure she's mature enough too to also understand that there's very little hope of a future with her. Ah maturity.

        [–]jkeegan123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Sounds like a lot of rationalization to me...it kindof made me sick. What the guy should do is just pack up his shit and leave. Then she will do the only thing that she knows how to do to keep someone 'loving' her. Obviously it's not as callous or black and white as all that, but ... I assume that they have talked about what she will not do with him ... she should try it if he wants to try it. If she does not like it while they are trying it, it will be obvious to him that she is not enjoying herself, but at least he is satisfied that they tried it and it didn't work out. For her to not want to even TRY It says .... that this guy is a meal ticket and that's it. He needs to fucking leave.

        [–]Mature_Student 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Did it with her ex because she was scared of losing him but obviously isn't quite as attached to her current BF as he isn't worth doing these things for. He is absolutely right to be upset at finding out he isn't as important to her as the ex was, basically she is making it crystal clear that her current man is second best. Also, is it just me or is that subreddit some kind of blue pill headquarters?

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Maybe I have been hanging out TRP too long.

        Maybe after swallowing TRP a couple of years ago, the long term effects are now taking place.

        Maybe I am just jaded.

        But I find these posts funny. Really. I smile and think: "It's business as usual in this part of life called reality, because at the end of the day that's what TRP demonstrates, reality as-is no sugar coating.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I'm a little over a year into TRP and it's like I can see the script played out day to day in real time and know exactly what is going to happen.

        I'm glad I was turned onto TRP but I wish it had happened many years ago.

        [–]bloodfoxtrue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Unless she has mountains of cash or something, this man better ditch her in a hurry.

        I feel shitty but I'm a little mad

        So sorry, but not really sorry?

        [–]a1b1no 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        The "advice" supporting OP in that thread is hilarious, especially this gem: "I guess you didn't throw those pictures away cos to do that you'd have to think about those things, and you didn't want to do that, right?"

        OP "hamsters furiously!"

        [–]drummmmmergeorge 8 points9 points  (9 children)

        Her reasoning? She had no 'self-esteem' back then.

        This is why I date 18 year olds. Every year my campus is honored with 18 year old dumb, oblivious freshmen. It's so fun.

        [–]JonThe5th 12 points13 points  (3 children)

        Dumb, obedient, perfect bodies, why don't girls stay 18 forever? Oh right they do you just have to keep trading in your model.

        [–]blacwidonsfw 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Best thing about 18 year olds. You get older and they stay the same age.

        [–]drummmmmergeorge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        An excerpt from The Great Gatsby sums up my argument.

        “I hope she'll be a fool -- that's the best thing a girl can be in this world, a beautiful little fool.”

        [–]NecroticFury 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        What do you recommend for 18 year old men for whom sleeping with someone younger is illegal? Spin 18 year old plates?

        Good luck keeping them when you are competing with an adult. TRP doesn't spend enough time trying to understand young men.

        [–]best_username_ever11 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        I think everyone in the archive's comments are kind of missing the point.

        All the 'supportive' comments are saying "You shouldn't have to do anything you don't want and if he doesn't understand that, he doesn't deserve you".

        All the 'real' comments are saying, "Yup, guy has every right to be pissed. Why'd you keep the photos if you didn't like it?".

        Both are wrong. It's okay to try stuff and find out you don't like it. The point is, THE BOYFRIEND DIDN'T GET TO DO ANY OF THIS! He gets her after she gets off the CC and has already done all the wild things she wants to try.

        I'm a Christian and I firmly believe this is one of the reasons that it's one man and one woman for life. Find a woman, marry her and fuck the shit out of each other. I don't get why women feel the need to 'experiment' when they are young and then settle down.

        I realize some of this is not in keeping with TRP doctrine. A lot of the 'why' of TRP I don't agree with but the conclusions you come to are dead on.

        [–]BallisticTherapy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        I'm a Christian and I firmly believe this is one of the reasons that it's one man and one woman for life. Find a woman, marry her and fuck the shit out of each other. I don't get why women feel the need to 'experiment' when they are young and then settle down.

        Well, if we use the ol' intuition pump and combine that with the implications of your theology, it's because God instilled them with extremely powerful, innate instinctual desires to engage in the very type of debauchery the Bible shows so much disdain for.

        AF/BB is in the source code. You wanna know why it was put there? You're gonna have to take that up with the programmer.

        [–]Malabar_Monsoon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Forget all the noise, simple stuff. Dump the chic. Move on, she is not the one.

        [–]moose_war 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        It's like I've seen this story dozens of times before. Because I have.

        The woman always keeps videos and pics from her ex boyfriends and fuckbuddies. Why? That right there is the red flag. Why do you need this shit you disrespectful bitch? Seriously.

        Then to insult a man like that, the man she supposedly loves. She keeps the souvenirs from the men she went all out for. Virtual cucking. Spitting in her fiancee's face. The worst.

        [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        And in case you thought this very common story was an outlier, here's yet another incident of the same thing:

        http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/marriage-life-partnerships/525666-past-threesome-affecting-marriage-now-3.html

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