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Red Pill Example"You know, maybe we should stop seeing each other. I have another guy that has been asking me out, maybe I should let him." I agree. The tears fall and I get a clean house and home cooked meal in the interim. (self.TheRedPill)

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Summary: Plate tries to call my bluff when bringing up the talk of an LTR with a statement to the effect of: "Maybe we should stop seeing each other, another guy has been asking me out maybe I should let him." I instantly agree, waterfalls come from her eyes, the next day she cleans my apartment and cooks a meal. Also, banged 3 times in the interim.

Body: Had a pretty regular plate come over couple weeks ago with an attitude. I could tell something was up from the beginning. We've been banging for about 2 months and I can read her like a book. She's even said it's scary how well I know exactly what she's thinking at all times (read: normal hamster tendencies). She feels vulnerable around me and even told me "I think you're perfect" on more than one occassion. She's hooked pretty bad, and seriously cannot get enough sex when she comes over. She always brings me food, so my stomach is full and balls are empty every single time she comes to my apartment.

Anyway, the other day she comes over and has an attitude. I am in the middle of doing some work on my side business on my computer and I can tell she's got a bug up her ass for some reason. I ignore.

Her: Annoyed sigh.

Me: No response.

Her: Pay attention to me!

Me: Are you going to do a magic trick? (smirk)

Her: You're a real asshole sometimes you know that?

Me: Yes.

She just blurts it out.

Her: What are we?

Me: (I do not flinch, still staring at my computer) I'm hungry, not sure about you?

Her: Seriously, what are we?

Me: I'm serious, I'm about to go make a sandwich.

Her: I hate you! You're so mean to me! You know, maybe we should stop seeing each other. Another guy has been asking me out, maybe I should let him!

At this point i'm starting to get pissed as I have work to finish up, she's killing my good mood, and I hate these talks which seem to happen more and more lately. They're just fucking exhausting.

I instantly fire back without hesitation.

Me: I agree. Lock the door on your way out.

The tears come rushing down at this point. I get the whole "you don't even care about me" speech. She tells me how unappreciative I am, how she cares so much about me, blah, blah. I do not respond. When she is done I just tell her that she knew I didn't want a girlfriend and have been honest with her from the start, I did not promise anything, and that if she thinks it's in her best interests to not see me any longer, I understand. I show no emotion (I'm not mean mind you, I stopped on the computer and I'm looking at her at this point). She is sitting on the floor crying while I'm at the computer desk and then gets up and leaves.

For the next 2 hours I get floods of long texts. From anger, to sadness, to being called a "worthless" POS. I lol'd at that one. I'm a pretty productive SOB, so she is really grasping at straws now. I do not respond to any of them.

She then begs to come back over and starts the apologies. She says she is on her way over. My only response was: heading to bed. 20 minutes later she comes to the front door, we bang 3 times and I go to sleep. I wake up to a clean house and a sweet breakfast made when I wake up.

Not a single word since then about being exclusive, and she's been much, much happier lately. I don't get it really, other than the fact that she must now realize I have a spine and her emotions do not affect me. She is taking comfort in that and is really trying to prove her worth to me. As many of you know, I do enjoy LTR's with good girls, so maybe she will prove to be worth one, but I learned a long time ago you need time with a woman to decide if she's worth it, and no way I'm doing that after barely 8 weeks of sporadic sex.

Lesson Learnt: Keep frame 100% of the time. It only makes their attraction to you increase, and it shows that she can trust your masculinity. The bonus is that they know you won't be manipulated by emotion, so they have to truly prove their worth.

Edit: grammar and added context.


[–]johnchapel 163 points164 points  (44 children)

The tears come rushing down at this point. I get the whole "you don't even care about me" speech. She tells me how unappreciative I am, how she cares so much about me, blah, blah.

I know AWALT and everything, but aren't you guys just a little fascinated that this exact script, word for word seems to be in every girls arsenal, and that every one of us have heard that verbatim as OP describes? AND from multiple girls?

Think about that fact for a moment. I'm so fascinated by the fact that we all have, not even statistically, but realistically, had the exact same fight as each other.

[–]1naMlliPdeR 92 points93 points  (26 children)

I've had it happen with every girl I've ever slept with (because even when I was blue pill, I didn't like relationships, and never had one).

EVERY SINGLE ONE has at one point used that shit test. AND, I used to royally fuck them all up. I'd use logic to explain to them why they're wrong, I'd get investment in the argument, they'd lose attraction, no more sex.

Ever since I started reading TRP, I have one go to line. "Go argue with someone else if you're in a bad mood". Then I leave. And I wait.

NOT ONCE have they not come back to apologize within a day or two at max.

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    [–]1naMlliPdeR 125 points126 points  (21 children)

    Sure.

    Usually from the first date, I'll use very aggresive and masculine body language to try and get them as eager for sex as possible. Manly kissing (pull a bit of hair, kiss hard, pull back and tease her, etc.), lots of touching. Basically get her to associate you with sex.

    Once we'd had sex, I talk to her about how I like her, but I don't do relationships, and that she shouldn't expect much from us but having fun. But I do it with a smile, like it's no big deal, keep her in my frame (which is a happy frame).

    Anyway, usually around 1 month or so, the inevitable comes. She'll say that she's wasting her time with me, I don't do stuff for her, etc. etc. I think this comes either from her seeing what her friends get out of their BBs or from TV, but regardless, they get it in their heads that "I should be giviing her more".

    Universally, the reason they are doing this is because they have temporarily forgotten how wet they get for you, and how much they crave you. They never do this during sex, or during times of passion. Only once they've sat home alone, thought about it, and hamstered "he's not all that".

    So when she does it, if you cave in and try to argue it, she'll stick to her emotional guns. There is only one perfect answer. Tell her to fuck off (in a nice way). Mine is "Go argue with someone else".

    What this achieves is getting her out of your face, while mantaining dignity. She hates it that she couldn't bring you down to her level. But a day or two go by, she remembers how much of a stud you are, how great the sex is, and you being that upfront about "Go argue with someone else" shows you're not needy. She starts getting aches in her pussy for another pounding, and the only way to get it is by typing something stupid like "hey... I might have over reacted".

    To that, I just reply "sure". It's amused mastery. You know that's how girls are. She appreciates that you don't punish her for it. Then, just set a date for when it pleases you, fuck her hard. This shit test might show up again, she might one day eventually decide to end it (remember, pussy is not yours, it's just your turn), but doesn't matter. It usually has them coming back begging for more dick.

    Was this what you were looking for?

    [–]sweetleef 47 points48 points  (2 children)

    She'll say that she's wasting her time with me,

    Think about the rationale behind that statement - she is "wasting" time with you, because you haven't committed to her support. You haven't assured her that you will support her in the future, so her being with you to that point has been useless.

    Her motive is not to enjoy the time she spends with you; she is only investing her time into you in order to obtain something (that you're not yet giving her, hence the "waste").

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    [–]soadaa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Wow, great perspective on this. I didn't consider what the undertone of that line meant, just accepted it.

    [–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 12 points13 points  (7 children)

    /u/redpillschool how do we award points to people? This comment deserves it.

    [–]Modredpillschool 9 points10 points  (5 children)

    It's a feature reserved for endorsed contributors, but I'll read it over and evaluate for points.

    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    oh look, it's a wild EC

    [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I used to have a point but now it's gone. What gives? They expire or something?

    [–]night-addict 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Seconded, this is a great basic script to a LOT of my previous sexual encounters.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    /u/ChoMinga this is spot fucking on. Digest what /u/naMLliPdeR said here, because it's just how it works. Amused mastery. Good, hard sex. She will leave you to fuck someone else some day. Dont get attached. All that shit.

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      [–]1naMlliPdeR 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Keep in mind though that the cold "Go argue with someone else" is for when she's disrespectful, and arguing, or when she's naggy and pushes the topic.

      It's not for when she feels insecure. As a man, she subconsciously looks to you for stability. So when she comes to you saying (like the OP mentioned) "What are we", "do we have a future", etc. these are all valid questions in her mind, and you have to pull her away from her insecure frame into your secure one, but all without giving up any ground. If you're rude while she's feeling insecure, it just makes her feel worse, and while she might still get wet for you, at least from my experience, it can end to ruining relationships (by relationship, I include FWB, plates, etc.).

      [–]watcher45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Its a good line. Ive used something similar but more like "if you want to argue then go tell the wall, it cares more than i do."

      [–]Benny757 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Great comment. Agreed. Doesn't it just show the futility of an LTR in our society today? Makes me wanna steer right to MGTOW. LTR's are just not worth it.

      [–]angry-neckbeard 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      What's the difference between this and a comfort test? They seem very similar.

      [–]1naMlliPdeR 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      A shit test is when she is testing your alphaness, testing your frame, testing your resolve, etc. It's basically a sexual fitness test. Tells her and assures her of your SMV. Basically, it's what a girl does to be sure that your SMV is as high as she thinks it is.

      A comfort test happens when she feels that your SMV is too high, and she wants you to comfort her in the sense of telling her "you're good enough for me". She wants to feel like she belongs with someone as awesome as you. It's basically a girl getting paranoid in thoughts and wanting you to tell her everything will be alright, hence the name, comfort test, she seeks comfort.

      The two can appear incredibly similar in execution. But they are done for different reasons.

      [–]angry-neckbeard 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      This sounds like one of those "I know it when I see it" things. I understand what you are telling me but I'm sure I'll confuse them at least once. It just seems very nuanced.

      [–]midlifedick 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I think of it like this:

      If perceived(by her) smv difference is big enough, it will subconsciously trigger her to test.

      If she is afraid her smv is higher than yours, you are a beta, weaker than her, or not alpha enough, it will be a shit test.

      If she is afraid your smv is too far above her, too alpha, it's a comfort test.

      [–]Demhandlebars 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Or put in another fashion. A comfort test will only happen AFTER a passed shit test. The shit test is obviously to see if you're good enough for her. But when you pass it/them with flying colors, after some time she will begin to question wether the reverse is true. Essentially the shit test and comfort test are exact opposites of one another and the latter cannot happen without the former. Baring this in mind when one comes up should make it easier to distinguish which one you're dealing with.

      [–]johnchapel 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      Yes totally! But what im trying to get at, and honestly, I trust that you'll confirm:

      You've LITERALLY heard this script word for word, haven't you?

      That fact, assuming you confirm, is fascinating, right? I can't even draw a parrallel.

      [–]rp_divorced 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Yep! I heard it three days ago.

      [–]johnchapel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      My LTR and I don't fight, so the last time I had this conversation with a girl was when my current and I were "open" as it were. The side girl said this to me. And I reacted exactly like OP. Haven't responded since. She's still thirsty.

      But again, same exact words. Thats just so godamn fascinating. Do we, as males, do any sort of webbed convoluted behavioral pattern, complete with script like that universally?

      [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 25 points26 points  (9 children)

      I've made posts about this phenomenon but it may be time for a another.

      Women have three moves and only three moves in their arsenal.

      Play in your emotions. Appeal to your masculinity wanting to protect her. Sex. That's it. They have no game.

      Game comes from failure and women don't fail. Men have a million weapons in our arsenal and smart men use them all.

      [–]Omnisovereign 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      Women have three moves and only three moves in their arsenal.

      Play in your emotions. Appeal to your masculinity wanting to protect her. Sex. That's it. They have no game.

      Game comes from failure and women don't fail. Men have a million weapons in our arsenal and smart men use them all.

      That's some real shit right there...

      RP men play chess, and gain more piece as we get more experience/knowledge....

      Women are playing checkers with their 3 pieces (as you eloquently put it).

      We can see them coming from a long way.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Exactly.

      Getting good at Checkers is a lot easier. You can master Checkers pretty quickly because it's a limited game. Most games end up boring because of its limitations.

      Chess has a MILLIONS options, but once you master it everyone else seems pedestrian. Those beneath you, even slightly, are nothing more than amateurs.

      [–]johnchapel 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      It just seem so statistically interesting that males end up being the more complex of the species. Again, objectively, I'm not even making a judgement. Its just so fascinating that we have all had this situation happen, and when it did, these exact words were used.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      If men don't develop a hefty arsenal of tools and skills, we end up homeless without anyone in society giving a flying fuck about you. Women always have a vagina to fall back on. Women realize that much earlier than men do.

      [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Ability comes from necessity.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Stats have nothing to do with it.

      Women fear failure and the world is designed to prevent it from them because most of them are fragile and can't handle it, much like children(Neoteny explains that.)

      Men are BUILT off of failure. The world gives us nothing and takes from us everything.

      We've all had this happen because without failure there is no growth, you just use the same tricks over and over and over.

      [–]Redasshole 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I hope you do a post on those three weapons soon.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I already have but I'll do a new one. We get new members here all the time

      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      Lol - good point. We have all been berated the exact same way.

      I'd say they all do it because it works 99% of the time.

      [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children)

      Its because they get it from tv. Girls love drama and Rom coms. Hell, the most recent episode of arrow had a main character on their death bed say that buddy and other female character are meant for each other, despite their falling out.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I used to watch smallville when i was 12, not sure how it influenced me.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Never watched it so I can't say.

      [–]Johnny_Lawless_Esq 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It's the human paradox. We are all unique, complex individuals with nuance and depth, but on the other hand, we're all just slender, hairless apes who are particularly good at tool-making.

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      [–]Chris_Phoenix 477 points478 points  (94 children)

      This looked like a last ditch effort to put you under control. A nuclear shit test for sure. You did exceptionally well, and you can tell so by her disposition to you now. It's still surreal to me how often these intense displays of emotion are just power plays to domesticate and turn men into good little betas

      But as I've said before: "She's going to try to break you, because she's looking for a man she cannot break"

      [–]trancedj 244 points245 points  (5 children)

      "She's going to try to break you, because she's looking for a man she cannot break"

      Solid fucking gold right here.

      [–]94redstealth 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      agreed, that quote is being committed to memory right now

      [–]Namelessfear9 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      This little nugget of wisdom should be taught to all our sons from here untill the end of time. It's TRP in one sentence. Brilliant.

      [–]94redstealth 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      if i would have been taught this as a young man, I would have done soooooo many things different

      [–]Molthen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Read The Fountainhead by Ann Rand. One of the main characters is exactly like this.

      [–]bardshaman 29 points30 points  (3 children)

      This brought an Oscar Wilde quote to mind, tried looking for it, but couldn't find it. The basic gist is "women will pursue a man they're highly attracted to, then once they have him, proceed to turn him into something that absolutely repulses them."

      I did find some gems on this page, though

      Woman haven't really changed since Wilde's day.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Weird thing was, he liked men.

      [–]GC0W30 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      It's like Milo Yiannopoulos.

      They have the distance to observe women without ANY cognitive dissonance about the shit they're accepting from their women.

      Don't know about Wilde... but most straight guys are never told the truth by one woman about how that woman treats others.

      Gays hear that all the time... and men who maintain frame sometimes do too. The rare platonic best friend thing happens, with honesty, but that's rare as shit.

      [–]Chris_Phoenix 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      It's always wonderful to see what some of the great minds had to say about women and the sexual marketplace, I appreciate the link

      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 92 points93 points  (76 children)

      But as I've said before: "She's going to try to break you, because she's looking for a man she cannot break"

      Exactly. It's just like us looking for a sweet, feminine, virgin, young, conservative 9. She just has to jump through more hoops to figure it out, we just have to have eyeballs.

      It's still surreal to me how often these intense displays of emotion are just power plays to domesticate and turn men into good little betas

      Agreed. It's crazy how women are such different creatures, how their emotions are used as toys and how they can stare you right in the face and not mean a damn thing they're saying or portraying.

      [–]Racism_Is_Natural 39 points40 points  (68 children)

      It's still surreal to me how often these intense displays of emotion are just power plays to domesticate and turn men into good little betas

      Funny enough internalizing this is how I fixed my relationship with my mother. She's a real bipolar bitch to my step-father, who himself is pathetic. He works 40 hours a week and then spends his leisure time taking care of my mother's organic farm or taking care of the puppies which my mother breeds.

      I've been out of the house for over 6 years now but when I come back to visit and get even a little attitude from her I just tell her if you don't behave around me I'll get in my car and leave right now. And (surprise! /s) we have a wonderful weekend.

      I keep telling my stepfather to not take any of her shit but divorce is like his biggest fear so he just pampers her, unknowingly making her hate him more.

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        [–]Racism_Is_Natural 10 points11 points  (66 children)

        Word. My biological father ran out of my mother before I was born so I've been raised by cucks all my life. Still suffering from a beta mindset sometimes if I'm not careful.

        It's why I gravitated towards supporting Trump. He's like an actual alpha father I never had. I even started doing that frown-chin-up combo technique for when someone is giving you bullshit.

        [–]trpdgc 38 points39 points  (28 children)

        Trump doesn't give a shit about you. If you want to be a real man you need some fucking reason and accountability.

        [–]Racism_Is_Natural 13 points14 points  (27 children)

        you need some fucking reason and accountability.

        I hold myself accountable for all my past mistakes. I don't blame another race. I'm also an immigrant. I started off at the very bottom rung of the ladder here in America and yet my family is now a contributing force in our local politics and our nation's economy. Sure, it did take almost a decade for us to become "comfortable" but we worked hard and smart and deserve our current life.

        The truth is that America is an environment that breeds success if the individual chooses to seize it. But it punishes the shit out of you if you're weak. Kind of like a PvP server as opposed to a PvE server.

        The USA is PvP where you work hard and fight tooth and nail for your place in the world. Europe is PvE where everybody is safe but there's no opportunity. It just depends on your personality/ability. If you can't hack it here move to Europe we have trade agreements so you could easily become a citizen there and be safe like you want.

        [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 6 points7 points  (20 children)

        Well put.

        Why the hell any American would want to give up what we have is beyond me. Sacrificing liberty and opportunity for safety is disgusting and despicable.

        [–]Racism_Is_Natural 0 points1 point  (11 children)

        Liberals want to tear everybody down to put everyone on an equal level. I want to raise everybody up (even the little guy) to allow people for growth and sel-actualization.

        [–]Wilreadit 1 point2 points  (8 children)

        You can't do either. What you can do is raise yourself up or bring yourself down. That is the only thing you have control on. The sooner you realize it, the better for your growth.

        [–]bornredd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Simply put, because when I get a little older, I'd like to move someplace tropical. Not a whole lot of that in the US.

        [–]Wilreadit 0 points1 point  (6 children)

        Liberty/ opportunity and safety are not antogonistic. You do not have to give up one to get the other. Anyone convincing you has hidden agendas.

        [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

        I'm not sure how you can say they aren't antagonistic. You cannot have safety nets without giving up freedom (choosing to not have health insurance rath than the government providing you healthcare for example), money (choosing to keep your tax dollars rather than pay for police, fire fighters, local representatives, social security etc), and time (slowing down on the highway, filling out taxes, sitting at the DMV renewing your license, Etc). There is no way around it.

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          [–]WolfofAnarchy 9 points10 points  (4 children)

          He's like an actual alpha father I never had

          You should really listen to Trumps speeches he made like 10-20 years ago about mindset, motivation and success. Life lessons like they are from a father.

          [–]Wilreadit 2 points3 points  (5 children)

          Dude you looking for an alpha father figure who is going to take care of you is your problem. That makes you weak.

          Forget about how you were conceived, who raised you or stuff like that. This is the internet age, these things do not matter. A man can build himself if he has the desire and the energy to do it. The path is waiting for him.

          So quit the self pity now. And be the man that you want to be. Noone is going to do that for you. Not Trump, not anyone here.

          [–]Racism_Is_Natural 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          I'm already "built up." But I still suffer from beta mindsets that's all. To truly internalize a masculine mindset you need masculine people in your life to look up to.

          [–]Wilreadit 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Not necessarily. If you have truly built up your life and you did it all alone, then you have mastered it. This is life, how to build yourself up. And if shit hits the fan, how to do it again. If you know this then there is no need to model yourself after someone. Trump wanted to run for Pres and he is doing it. You wanted to do something and you did it. You are fucking par.

          Unless you mean, you are financially all set, but you don't seem to do well with the chicks. In that case, you may do well to have someone show you how its done.

          [–]Racism_Is_Natural 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          I am financially all set and do pretty well with girls.

          It's just that I always have to pretend when I'm in public. I'm just posturing. I want it to be natural so it doesn't feel like I'm acting.

          [–]Wilreadit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Just be natural. What do you have to fear? Just be cool and it is not like you got anything to prove. Once you know that you have nothing to prove, then that will reflect in your behavior as well.

          [–]1lurkingtacopiller 24 points25 points  (0 children)

          Beige Philip has a good phrase for this too: "Women give you shit to make sure that you are the shit."

          [–]SuicidalPilot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          these intense displays of emotion are just power plays to domesticate and turn men into good little betas

          This is gold. Also, sorry no gold

          [–][deleted] 138 points139 points  (25 children)

          "You better treat your girl right or someone else will...."

          Everytime I hear this load of horseshit, i'll think about this post. Well played sir.

          [–]2kez88 103 points104 points  (3 children)

          That quote is correct, its just that BP definition of 'Right' and RP definition of 'Right' are completely different

          [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

          BP: treat her how she says RP: treat her how she wants

          [–]Chrience 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          It's the same with "be yourself" and "there's plenty more fish in the sea".

          In BP lens, the first means "be complacent with the state you're in now, and don't change". The second means "there will be another special woman to wife up someday"

          In RP lens, the first means "demonstrate your own value to others" . The second one means "women are replaceable, and if you lose one you can get another later" (there are no Snowflakes, because women are so basic they are largely the same, like fish).

          [–]MasterRoshi21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          "If you don't treat your women like cattle someone else will"

          [–]Redasshole 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I'm 100% down for letting someone else treat her right. This idiot won't get anything from her and she will only get wetter for me.

          [–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          So someone else will buy her drinks but I still get to have sex with her at the end of the day?

          Sounds like a win-win to me.

          [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 26 points27 points  (1 child)

          how she cares so much about me

          Sure.... caring enough to threaten to leave and see someone else...

          much happier lately. I don't get it really, other than the fact that she must now realize I have a spine and her emotions do not affect me.

          It's almost like women are happier with a strong man who won't take her shit... ;)

          [–]zeny_two 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Sure.... caring enough to threaten to leave

          Yes, exactly! That's an output of emotion that's only shown when you care about something. You would threaten to leave your job, but you wouldn't threaten to leave your banana stickers. Nobody cares about stickers.

          [–]faded_jester 35 points36 points  (29 children)

          Calling her bluff is a win/win situation. She either (momentarily) realizes she's full of it and starts acting right, or she leaves in which case you still win because men don't need drama queens in their lives. Eventually she'll try again but as long as you remain the same she'll have two options....admit (only to herself!) she wants you more than she wants to be "right", or hamster enough to believe she "deserves better", gets her a BP boyfriend, and wonders why she is still so unhappy.

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            [–]faded_jester 2 points3 points  (25 children)

            True but I'd be a little wary of what might happen if she gets caught. I've heard too many horror stories to take that risk knowingly.

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              [–]faded_jester 8 points9 points  (9 children)

              But if she views him as her golden bb ticket she was "raped"....3-5 times a week....for months. She was simply too afraid to say no and feared for life. It's laughable to us but to a jury of her peers it's all the proof they need. Although I guess no matter what (sadly) you take that risk every time you engage in sex with a western woman. I'm seriously considering hiring a lawyer to write up some type of consensual sex agreement and telling girls they can sign it or they can go home.

              Yeah I'm a little paranoid. I don't have much and I don't want to risk what I do have on the innocent angel assurance of "I would never do that!". Every guy that has ever been fucked like that didn't think she would do it either.

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                [–]10211799107 6 points7 points  (7 children)

                No need to be a millionaire. About $900 for 5yr storage and $500 out of pocket to get snipped. Got both and never looking back.

                [–]Swelfie 3 points4 points  (6 children)

                Snipped is fucking awesome. Your life changes. Your stress melts away...

                [–]10211799107 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                New coined term: "Best thing since vasectomies". not sliced bread.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Yeah unless your shit regenerates.

                [–]Swelfie 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Chances of that are really low if the surgery is done right. And it almost always happens in the first couple years. That's typically because the lazy doc just snipped rather than taking a section of the vas out. You shouldn't trust it 100% (although, still better odds than a broken condom) for the first couple years, then get your sperm counted at a lab. If you're at zero 2 years later then you're golden.

                [–]1v1crown 22 points23 points  (8 children)

                Or he murders you with a pistol... and not even a GOOD pistol... a fucking beta ass .22

                [–]suckersdie99 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                This. and even more in my country which has a law that makes you able to legally murder both cheating parties if you caught them. Though ive never heard it occur, its still in the legal system

                [–]1v1crown 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                wtf country are you from? lol

                [–]suckersdie99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                its an old law reaching back maybe 100 years i think. The reason it never got changed is that its so obscure that people who would hear of it would be surprised that it even existed.

                [–]suckersdie99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                So i realized i didnt actually answer your question and couldnt edit in mobile. Just google weird laws in the phillipines. Its no 1 where the punishment to the murderrer is banishment so the relatives of the cheaters he killed couldnt get even. So yeah, weird shit among others

                [–]johnchapel 14 points15 points  (4 children)

                Ive been caught several times. Trust me. Cucks never do anything.

                One guy was so beta, he actually messaged me on facebook and wrote "You shouldnt be doing what you're doing". Literally the weirdest message you can get from someone who knows you're banging their wife.

                [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                Yup, this is how it usually ends up. If they were crazy enough to do something stupid either they'd be too weird to get a chick, or alpha enough to not have to.

                [–]bornredd 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                That's because if they felt like they could get away with it, they'd do it too.

                Men don't really resent men for fucking women. They resent "their" woman fucking another dude.

                [–]johnchapel 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                I laughed at it and told showed it to her and said "Jesus. No wonder you come over here to fuck when you got a woman for a husband."

                Whats fucked up is her reaction was just like "hmmmm" and then we fucked. She didnt freak out or anything. She was just like "Eh, I'll handle it later".

                Women are fucking weirdos.

                [–]Dronitto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The big turn off is she probably went to him after that and told him "i love you so much" weird world

                [–]dking168 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                After TRP, I've always called bluffs with women. Abundance mentality is strong. As long as you don't get her pregnant, she pretty much has no power.

                [–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing 22 points23 points  (1 child)

                From anger, to sadness, to being called a "worthless" POS. I lol'd at that one. I'm a pretty productive SOB, so she is really grasping at straws now

                Gotta love that shit.

                Because the subtext, of course, is that you only have worth as a human being insofar as you serve her.

                Too fucking close to home.

                [–]Docbear64 50 points51 points  (16 children)

                I'm impressed, I foresee these talks on the horizon for me and my plate and have been curious about how best to approach them . I'm definitely taking notes don't be mean but definitely express her decision to stick around is a choice and whether she chooses to stay or not I will survive .

                [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 30 points31 points  (14 children)

                I foresee these talks on the horizon for me and my plate and have been curious about how best to approach them

                Just be strong. A rock. Let her get all emotional, say whatever she wants, and you sit there and don't say a word until she's done. Then state your case, don't be a dick about it, and leave it at that. She will love you more for it and will feel desire for you and your masculinity. 99% of guys crack under these situations and seeing a guy who doesn't is extremely attractive to them. This is like the 5th time I've had this kind of talk (a talk about LTRing immediately followed by an emotional tirade) happen over the years and every single time it's resulted in her wanting me even more.

                She craves masculinity, be a fucking gentleman and give the little lady what she wants.

                Edit: This is different than a woman who's been with a guy for years who wouldn't commit and is at the end of her rope and is serious about leaving for another guy. Different siatuation there, of which I've had happen once, this is just another test with a new girl and an example of how to pass it. A woman who you care about and is at the end of her rope with waiting is a different beast altogether.

                [–]PM_ME_GOOD_ART 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                How would you handle that beast?

                [–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                The year+ with a girl that wants more?

                Short answer is, if you are asking the question, you aren't experienced enough to handle it. Revert to OP for proper procedures and handling.

                The right answer unfortunately is to complicated and contextual. Ever case will be different. Best guidelines are to weigh what she brings to the table vs what you bring. Does she want kids? Do you want kids? Are you still spinning or in a bottom bitch/main plate situation? Are we getting perks from her that most girls don't have? She into threesomes, etc?

                There's just to many variables to answer that. You and you alone should know what to do. And if you don't then you have no business trying an LTR. Stick to plating and get your N count high enough till you know you can handle it and have a spine.

                My golden line of handling girls was somewhere around N15-20. It's different for everyone but by that many bangs I knew what I wanted and didn't want in a girl and I had the experience to handle more than plating. Still not doing an LTR but each to his own.

                [–]Johnny_Lawless_Esq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Well, by that time, the options are different. As he said, you're emotionally invested yourself, so that means that you're going to have to make a choice. Do you want to keep her around, or no? If not, well, that's pretty simple, if trying.

                If you do, you're going to have to compromise to some degree. Just don't compromise on the things that made you attractive to her to begin with, because if you do that, you're doomed.

                [–]LazyMagus 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Have you made the mistake of caving in to their demand for exclusivity in your initial years?

                [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                In my beta years I was the one pushing it. At the start of my RP years telling girls I didn't want a gf really helped me. It was one of the things I made myself do because I was trying to learn that a woman should not be the center of my life. Plus, as soon as you tell a woman that they want you 10x more.

                [–]RP15 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                You hit the nail on the head. I go with: Cool, how long until your uber gets here?

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Don't let the door bruise that cute little ass on the way out.

                [–]Adolf_ghandi 5 points6 points  (3 children)

                Did you just bang her in those 8 weeks or did you reward good behaviour by going out together? I am curious how to properly approach this.

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                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  lol the beta who gives her everything you get sex once on your anniversary once on your birthday. The dude who is 100% asshole gets sex 3 times.

                  Do women not see that they constantly reward bad behavior?

                  If women want men to be beta than bang us for being beta. It's so fucking simple.

                  But as I said women will never ever say they are the problem. The only time they admit they are not perfect is when they opened their legs to soon. Their only advice to women ever is be even more stingy with sex. Which creates even more betas which makes them want to have sex even less.

                  And then we hit the 80/20 rule again, birthrates plummet, and society as we know it collapses and is replaced with barbarians who don't give a shit about women.

                  All of this is usually helped along by stupid leaders making retarded decisions.

                  Technology won't make the fall of western society exactly like rome, but the ultimate causes will be extremely similar.

                  [–]gonorealover 13 points14 points  (2 children)

                  You did great .

                  Now here's the bad news : she is not going to let this end. Girls who uses terms like " worthless POS" , " virgin", "gay" , "man-child" are strictly feminists and die-hard manipulators . These girls are constantly " competing" with men to prove themselves to be equal to men. She will ask you " am I just a meat sack to you ? " or something similar like this. Tell her " yes , just like I am a salami to you " . Fuck women who thinks that way. They think they are being used but they are willingly using men as well . These are feminist women who are widely hated by the world. " I am being used by but i am allowed to use men because vagina and womb bla bla bla ". Fuck these cunts and their feminist bullshit . Do not give these girls a pass. They are not curable .

                  Women are all children but these type of whores are fucking incurable no matter what you do. They will NOT LET THIS GO ! She will bring this type of test back !

                  If she stops her chores and favors , next this bitch and move to your next target.

                  [–]VanityKings 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                  Anyone else see how OPs reaction to her tantrum is comparable to the way a father punishes his child and doesn't give her what she wants?
                  I really do think women want a man who puts them in their place like their fathers did when she was younger, only she is screwing this one and finds him attractive

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                    [–]zenhoodman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Can you private message me this subreddit?

                    [–]CeruleanDawn 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                    Very interesting.

                    Whenever I read these threads, I always wonder what this girl looks like. The way RP indicates that women are constantly trying to date up and being orbited, I'd think that they would be jumping plates a lot more if they had the options

                    [–]HobKing 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                    Is it worth it? All that trouble of putting up with her bullshit and standing strong in the face of shit tests for some sex?

                    If it were life changing sex, that's one thing, but clearly with this dynamic you're not fucking someone you emotionally are on the same page as or can respect mentally. How much better is her pussy than your hand? Is it worth the trouble when you could be totally focused on yourself otherwise?

                    [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                    It's much better than my hand, and I know how to handle her shit, I literally had to do almost nothing except have a short conversation then answer the door when she came back. It's not like I built her a house.

                    [–]Frigzy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Omg. You didn't build her a house?

                    Worthless POS..

                    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    It's not like I built her a house.

                    The beta carpenter. He builds pedestals too.

                    [–]Essexal 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                    The 'What are we?' : 'I'm hungry' line, I'm stealing that one.

                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                    LMAO, this is op

                    http://imgur.com/YfJFbhN

                    [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    Hahaha! Channel your inner Kobe. The face looks about right.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    I made this like 10 minutes ago, couldnt stop laughing.

                    [–]RedKnight1990 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    Good man. She acted a child having a tantrum, and you took the appropriate route.

                    [–]1naMlliPdeR 15 points16 points  (4 children)

                    You have to be careful with this one man (if you care at all for keeping her as a plate).

                    There's a difference between shit test and comfort test.

                    Her asking you "what are we", etc. was a comfort test. You were too good for her, she probably felt insecure that you might end it, so she wanted to feel better about herself, hense bringing up the topic.

                    If you want to keep her a plate, badly handled. Sure, it can work. But a much better answer would be something like "We're friends who have great sex", pull her up to your lap, maybe spank her, etc. Show her she at least has some value. Ignoring her question just makes her even more insecure.

                    Now, after that, and he whole "see other people", that's a shit test, through and through. Well handled.

                    But it's important to give them a little confidence boost or at least a pat on the back when they become insecure, otherwise they end up unhappy, and it can lead to the FWB deal becoming not so great.

                    Still, your handling of the shit test that came after probably produced so many "omg i fucked up" tingles that it fixed everything.

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                      [–]pmmedenver 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                      If they try everything to prove themselves to you, and get absolutely nothing back in return, they're going to split for good. This is cat string theory, the string has to be just barely out of their reach: not too far, not too close. Its a delicate balance.

                      [–]LazyMagus 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                      Some asshole a few days back on TRP, made fun of us regular newbies for not knowing such similar things about dealing with women intuitively and having to rely on other men to tell us what to do.

                      But the thing is, it's the knowledge and experience of other successful men that helps and guides us in world that is showering us with examples of supplicating to women and fucking ourselves over in the process.

                      So many of us men would be lost souls without The Red Pill subreddit.

                      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                      I was in your shoes once not all that long ago. It's tough at first because it's not natural, it's not how you were raised and it's not what society tells you.

                      Fuck the haters. You ever have any questions, feel free to ask.

                      [–]Omnisovereign 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Because people can learn everything through intuition... Where would we make mistakes?

                      [–]anooblol 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      What are we?

                      -Well I'm hungry.

                      Seriously?

                      -Yeah I'm fucking starving... About to make a sandwich.

                      I died laughing. You sir... Are a comic.

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                      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      YW. Frame just means you do not let them manipulate you with their emotions, i.e. Get into a screaming match when they're freaking out. You ignore obvious troll jobs of things she says just to shock you (I think I'm pregnant - she would show you a positive stuck if she really thought she was. No response is the best response), and you'd deflect questions that are obvious tests (you're the biggest asshole I ever met, I'm going out with Chad, he's been messaging me every day on Facebook anyway - you: cool, you guys should try the new Chinese place, food is excellent).

                      Frame means no matter what she tries to do to get a rise out of you, you do not reward her efforts. If you do, you lose.

                      [–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                      The first LTR conversation: always right at the 2-month mark. You can set your watch to it.

                      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      It's weird how they all have the same clock.

                      [–]prf_q 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      my stomach is full and balls are empty every single time she comes to my apartment.

                      omg my sides, we have a winner.

                      [–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      great post man!

                      it feels to me like she just needed an outlet for her feelings she had at the time. once she got all that shit out of her system. she went back to being " normal" instead of " emotional"

                      [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      Yes, which is really all most women want, is to do something with their feelings. The trick is, 99% of the time they don't want you to respond to them. They're more attracted to you if you don't. Just let them freak out, feel better, and move on. Don't show her she can manipulate you. That will repulse her, because what kind of man are you if I can manipulate you but I can't even open up a jar of pickles?

                      [–]newmeforever 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      way to maintain frame man.

                      You seem like a true man - respect.

                      [–]1Su-Wu_Red 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Crazy. I just had this argument with my plate 2 days ago. She eve used the "you don't care" words exactly and talked about how she gets much more attention on the streets. I listed out all the things I do for her, reminded her that I have never lied about not wanting to be in a relationship, and that if she wanted she could move on. She was quiet for a day and then begged to come spend the night. Amazing how often this happens.

                      [–]n8dawwg 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Fantastic post. I took the pill way to late in life, but it's posts like these that I will share with my son to prevent him from failing shit tests like this when he is grown.

                      [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

                      You sir are on fire. Saying all the funny shit, treating her all the right ways, living life like a man should.

                      We can only hope that one day the majority of men pick up on the uncaring asshole game and eternally silence these Feminists and equality bitchers. Like you said- everyone's happier this way.

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                        [–]feminazi_oppresor 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                        She doesn't love you, she loves the way you make her feel

                        [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Yeah, that's basically what I said.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        everyone's happier this way

                        Seeing a girl truly happy when you treat her like a child is a real eye opener.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                        Maybe you should start having sex with grownups.

                        [–]rp_divorced 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                        You're suggesting he only has sex with men?

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Are you dating my crazy ex?

                        [–]PissedPajamas 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                        I sense some Sterling Archer in your tone. You've got a solid game dude, keep killing it

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                          [–]mehdreamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          and will feel an insatiable desire for you and your masculinity. 99% of guys crack under these situations and seeing a guy who

                          Are you good looking brah? Are you above 7?

                          [–]etherealembryo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                          Cant let them get abusive. Sounds like my girl. The hail marys still sting a bit though.

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                            [–]etherealembryo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Yeah its quite funny when they think im like the other guys! Hahha youre so right.

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                            [–]All__fun 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                            For the next 2 hours I get floods of long texts. From anger, to sadness, to being called a "worthless" POS. I lol'd at that one. I'm a pretty productive SOB, so she is really grasping at straws now. I do not respond to any of them.

                            How do you feel about this level of disrespect though?

                            If this is her first blow up, what are the consequences of another argument ?

                            [–]azrise 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Shouldn't take it to heart IMO. Just a frustration rant given the realization that she can't control him.

                            [–]Endorsed Contributorseattleron[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            How do you feel about this level of disrespect though?

                            I pay no attention, because it's not genuine. If I feel disrespected she wins. She wants to get a rise out of me, I do not reward it and it makes it worse for her.

                            No response is the best thing you can do. No facial expressions, no words, no body language. Continue doing what you're doing.

                            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            Emotional outbursts happen man. You do have to understand with women, that the hormones they have to deal with on a daily basis are really 10x more intense than ours.

                            Treat them like a child. Children have emotional outbursts all the time. This doesn't mean they are a bad child, it's just in their nature.

                            [–]R1fle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            I got these all the time with my last plate, who I even considered LTR'ing. It was these texts that made me finally just stop contact with her.

                            I didn't like the disrespect either. The whole ultimatum of seeing her once a week or she throws a hissy fit. It had been going on for months. The time I came over to drop her shit off, she just latched onto me. She would not let me leave without fucking her. I even told her this is essentially rape if she doesn't let go. Had the most ridiculous sex ever that night. Two weeks later, drama texts ensue. I finally just blocked her.

                            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            so much of this behavior works in MRP as well.

                            [–]garlicextract 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            She's not much happier, she just acts happier around you because you showed your hand that you're willing to move on

                            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Women are so annoying sometimes. I hate dealing with these shit-test rants. I just turn my phone off and wait 24 hours.

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