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ScienceAttraction, Arousal, Agitation, Anxiety: ALL good things! Also, why you get punched in the arm and called an asshole (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 3whatsthisgarg

What do you think of when you hear the phrase

Bring Your A Game

Jenna Haze's ass? Yep. Or, how about maybe some other A words…

 

It's just a coincidence that those words in the title begin with the letter A, but they have something more interesting in common: They have very similar physiological signs. Specifically, the physiological signs of attraction and agitation are indistinguishable.

 

Increased blood pressure, elevated heart rate, muscular tension, and the attendant effects of light-headedness, perhaps increased perspiration, and that pit-of-the-stomach feeling. These same physiological signs can appear in completely different contexts, and that is what differentiates them in the felt experience of the person. The physical feeling gets labeled as an emotion: fear, anxiety, or attraction, depending on the situation.

 

Given that these disparate states of mind are accompanied by the same physical states of being, you would expect attraction to do funny things to people, especially women. When a woman is attracted to a man, I mean truly attracted and turned on, she often doesn't know why. Consider again the physiological signs: basically she is uncomfortable; not an entirely pleasant feeling.

 

It's a different thing for men, though.

We all know about sexual dimorphism, but this is another important, less well-known, physical difference between men and women. As men, we are accustomed to this: this feeling is with us every day, to a certain extent. That's one reason we are ready for action at all times (if you are a man and you aren't, I'm not even talking about you).

Men are also, quite frankly, more in tune with their bodies than women are, generally speaking. That's why these physiological signs are not typically experienced as unpleasant for men. It's normal.

But for women, again, it's not normal, it's uncomfortable, it's unpleasant to have that physical sensation, not know what it is, and not know how to quell it.

 

It's this unpleasant feeling that spurs action. She wants to rid herself of this agitation, one way or another. Hopefully, it's by getting fucked hard, and not just punching you in the arm and calling you an asshole.

 

A. THIS EXPLAINS SOME KEY CONCEPTS.

 

I. Dread.

I hate the PUA lingo, but dread is real, and it's real effective. Why? Is it because she KNOWS you have options? LOL. Women don't think, they feel. (That's why dread isn't very effective by you TELLING her about your options.) She SEES that you have options, and that goes right to her stomach.

Then she has that good anxiety, all those unpleasant physiological signs. The physical feeling needs to be turned into an emotion -- that's how the human body works. So you get her in a situation where you allow her brain to label that feeling: arousal. Otherwise, it's just jealousy, and that's a real drag to deal with.

 

II. Push/Pull.

Why does this work so wonderfully, and why does Push work better than Pull? Because it goes right to the center of her self-image. When you are pushing her away you are instilling that good anxiety again.

You should not think of this as a technique or a tactic. That's fake. Push/Pull should be a lifestyle. I am doing about 90% push and having most excellent results. Why? Because I am making her uncomfortable and agitated, and she needs to get out of that state by getting fucked.

What? I thought women needed to be comfortable before they were ready for sex! LOLOLOL. No they do not. They need to be agitated.

 

III. Betafication of Long-Term Partners.

Women need a good provider for their offspring. And so they shit-test their partner until the former alpha is a beta provider who has no other options? If you think that's a good evolutionary explanation then you are guilty of backwards thinking.

When women are sexually attracted to a man, they experience those aforementioned physiological signs, which are uncomfortable. They seek to alleviate their discomfort. That's what biological creatures do. It's a basic drive.

In evolutionary terms, the women who have done that, via the basic stress-reduction drive, are the ones who have succeeded at procuring the provider. And then they are the ones who have passed on their genes.

So now in modern times, in long-term relationships, women can fulfill this ancient drive not by having sex every day, which is exhausting, but more easily for the fundamentally lazy and selfish woman, by encouraging the man himself to become less sexy and appealing.

 

IV. Women Stay with Their Abusers.

This is self-explanatory at this point; I just had to throw it in as a gratuitous dog turd for the BP crowd to step in.

Bad transition for the autists coming up from this point to the next section.

 

B. WHAT THIS MEANS TO YOU: PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS.

 

I. Don't Be Afraid to Have a Woman Be Mad at You.

I made a recent post about the importance of not being pussy-whipped ("Memorial Day Weekend Cuck-Out"). This was the central message of that post.

So many men are wrongly terrified of the consequences of having a woman be mad at them. So sad. And so ironic, because there are no consequences, and if you do it right, there are only benefits.

Having her be agitated because she's mad at you may mean that she fucks right off out of your life. Counts as a win in my book. Or if she wants to stick around, see next point.

 

II. More Sex with Less Effort in a LTR; plus, An Extreme Example.

(I would have a hard time advocating this, but I will because Blue Pill Trigger Warning content I want to truly EARN the charge of Manipulation! Don't let me down you Blue Pill Assholes, take a break from making fun of retarded people (e.g., incels and MGTOWs) and ridicule a real man.)

Stop being nice. Stop doing things for her. Don't hold back when you want to tell her she is doing stupid shit. Ignore her when she wants attention. You can go so far as actively be mean and cruel to her. As long as you have initial attraction. Let me repeat: this is for LTRs only, and after you really have her hooked.

This is the extreme example, also from my recent post; analysis follows:

I have actually said the words Fuck off to this woman; I was serious, and it was warranted. Doghouse, right? Wrong. She left me alone for a while (wonderful silence). Then not 8 hours later, without a word, she initiates, we fuck; all positions, including ones she has claimed were uncomfortable or too strenuous for her. After it's over, she says, in a very sweet voice, You shouldn't say "Fuck off" to me. Similar things have happened, many times.

What happened between the time I made that most incorrigible, offensive remark and when we had that great energetic sex? She was agitated and set off, and she was thinking about it. More precisely, she was thinking about me.

It doesn't matter that the thoughts and feelings were negative. Women aren't logical; as my old French-Canadian hockey coach used to say, Tank gawd fer det.

 

III. Planning Activities (other than sex) with a Woman.

Hard to believe, but dudes are still taking women to movies or dinner as a first date; I've seen this recently on this very sub. SMH. I don't even need to explain how stupid that is.

Get physical: mountain biking, rock climbing, hiking, surfing. Haunted house. Mosh pit. Vandalism, if that's your thing. Explosives. Breaking and entering, whatever. Not only is this shit FUN, but it actually increases feelings of attraction.

There are some very interesting psychological studies that support my original point. The researchers got people agitated and then approached by an attractive confederate (for those who don't know, that's someone in on the research but unknown to the person in the experiment). Those in the experimental group rated the confederate as more attractive than the control group of unagitated persons did.

(If you want to read more, you can look these up. Schachter & Singer gave subjects a shot of epinephrine, then exposed them to either a happy or an angry confederate: the subjects mirrored the emotion; they developed the two-factor theory of emotions to explain the subsequent emotional reactions. Berscheid & Walster's experiment had subjects exercise vigorously before being approached; they called the phenomenon the misattribution of arousal. Dutton & Aron had subjects cross a scary suspension bridge over a 230-foot chasm, and the control group crossed a sturdy cedar bridge over a small gurgling stream; in this case fear resulted in higher attraction toward the confederate.)

 

Take a woman who may be somewhat attracted to you on a scary adventure; she will become MORE attracted to you.

 

Because … science.

 

(I have to acknowledge /u/vandaalen for initially suggesting I write this up; that was 7 months ago -- forgive me, I haven't been derelict in my duties, I was just fucking busy. It took /u/seattleron and a few others to get my ass in gear. Any person can make a difference. If someone makes a point you want to see more of, just ask them. THAT'S how you improve the sub, not by whining and complaining. Cheers.)


[–]Cunt_Robber 156 points157 points  (5 children)

For me this was a totally new take on shittests. Thank you for taking the time to gather the resources and write this up! It's weird to say but reading content like this brings me back to those first days on this sub back in 2014, when every post seemed to be filled to the brim and foaming over with knowledge, lessons, and insight.

I have but a small voice on here but I vote OP be awarded a point, at least.

[–]3whatsthisgarg[S] 57 points58 points  (2 children)

reading content like this brings me back to those first days on this sub back in 2014, when every post seemed to be filled to the brim and foaming over with knowledge, lessons, and insight.

That is some high praise, my friend, I'm flattered. 2014 was indeed a golden era on TRP. Also when I started reading this.

I remember the assburger spree shooter, then the spreadsheet, then I dated a MRA on Jezebel or some shit. Each time, they were kind enough to actually have LINKS to TRP.

I thought let's go laugh at the misogynists.

And then every significant moment in my life was explained. I am not exaggerating. I fucked up THERE. This is why THAT worked. I should have done it like THAT. Most gratifying when I realize I had some natural RP instincts.

What a trip.

[–]Cunt_Robber 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Definitely a trip sorting through the BP conditioning, the "I get it now" moments, the anger, etc. I remember my relationship was failing and I started browsing relationships sub for advice, and same thing: read posts about this "mysogynistic" sub and curiosity did the rest. The "feminine mystique" was forever de-bunked to be nothing more than pussy privilege and BP society buying into bullshit.

Funny I look back to that time with such fondness. Thanks again for bringing it back but still keeping it fresh. Hope to see more from you in the future man

[–]CQC3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But for women, again, it's not normal, it's uncomfortable, it's unpleasant to have that physical sensation, not know

Ditto. Cept I found this place searching the web to see if anybody felt all fucked up and suspicious of reality. Turns out, there was. Michael's story really encapsulated how I felt emotionally about women, and while I was a beta I was never the type of beta to take shit from women, thus I got zero contact with them. Not willing to validate and be friend zoned, yet sabotaging myself constantly to never be a sexual prospect.

Never went through an anger phase, the anger phase was my whole life up until then. Just shifting the perspective and finally piecing together what I felt was wrong was enough to bring me great relief.

[–]basebool 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Indeed. No matter what I read about shit tests, this post really helped me "get it". Simply don't be afraid to get them mad. Just like negative media press is still media press.

Good post OP.

[–]grandaddychimp 71 points72 points  (9 children)

Everything in your post reminds me of something that happened the other night.

My LTR knows how against legal marriage I am and she agrees it's a bad deal for men. I told her I am not necessarily opposed to a religious marriage that doesn't involve government in anyway, but that I just don't really see the point in making a promise to a vengeful omnipotent deity if I can't guarantee that I can keep it. The only way I'd ever get involved in such an arrangement was if I was planning on starting a family with her.

She told me whoever she ends up marrying, she wants an engagement ring worth several thousand dollars. She claimed that if you love a girl, you buy her the ring because it's a symbol of commitment. I told her if it was about the symbol of commitment, a guy could give her a ring he got out of a crackerjack box and it wouldn't make a difference. But of course the symbolism is not what it's about - it's about the money. She wants to see if she can get me to be a beta provider for her. I called her out on that and said I would never waste that kind of money on a piece of gold with a rock on it. Even if someone gave me her ideal ring for free, I'd pawn it instead of giving it to her and put the money towards something more useful.

I asked her if she was going to buy me something equally as valuable. If she said no, then I was going to say that's unfair and not equality. But she said yes, so I said then we should just cancel it out and save the money instead. Either way the question was a trap. The truth is I'd buy a her ring, but I wouldn't spend much more money on it than she spends on me on my birthday...and only if she bought me something of equal value.

She got really upset and started acting like she was entitled to an expensive ring. I told her she was brainwashed by popular culture into thinking she needed it, and that expensive engagement rings weren't even a thing until the mid 20th century thanks to De Beers diamond cartel advertisements. She was crying and I told her she was acting like a spoiled little brat and that you can't always get what you want in life, and that she isn't entitled to shit.

Then I pointed out that when it comes to a religious-only marriage, there's no difference between being a wife and being a girlfriend - except for the vengeful omnipotent deity part. Being her boyfriend or her husband is essentially the same thing at that point - we have a verbal contract to not fuck other people indefinitely, until one of us dies or we decide to end our relationship. So what's the point in getting religiously married except so that the potentially non-existent vengeful deity might not send us to hell when we die.

That was EASILY the biggest shit test I've faced so far in my relationship with her. I didn't even care that I made her cry because her entitlement (AWALT) really pissed me off. And because I was pissed, I was swift and harsh with my punishment. After I finished logically destroying the concept of an expensive engagement ring and planting the seeds of doubt in her mind about marriage, I just straight up ignored her while she was crying. Eventually she calmed down and tried cuddling with me and told me that she likes how I challenge her worldview and make her think about things in ways she never thought about them before, and that she felt like I was acting like a father scolding his daughter.

Five minutes later I was balls deep in her from behind.

[–]Eclectiqque 8 points9 points  (0 children)

red pill applause. well played

[–]Leonidas_79 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There's honestly few things in the world I love more than physically towering over and "educating" women (always starting with a heavy "No") about the harsh realities of the world like you just did. Its magical.

It always ends with them going "You're such a dick/asshole...", whilst simultaneously giving me the IWantYouToFuckMyBrainsOut smile.

Magic.

[–]oddisay 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nice, don't let up brother.

[–]OptiLaSeR 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Why are you logical with a women? Target her feels w.r.t the ring story. She wants the ring for validation, she thinks she will feel awkward around her friends without the ring. She will feel judged around her friends. Unless her friends know you are top god alpha.

[–]grandaddychimp 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Because when she's acting like a brat there is no better way to get her to submit than to logically destroy her position, put her on the spot and demand that she logically defend her position while she's crying. then when she fails, you hold frame by withdrawing affection, and then when she enters your frame you anger fuck the hell out of her.

I don't give a shit how she feels around her friends or what her friends or my friends think of me. I am not hesitant to express my opinions of legal marriage and expensive engagement rings around any of my or her friends. If it's a problem then she can fuck off because I don't want an LTR with a woman who is only with me because she thinks she's getting a ring and a wedding for her social validation.

[–]OptiLaSeR -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

I don't think you need to be that extreme. A cheap ring is better than withdrawing everything. It will also show that she is taken in public. But if it is what you do, do it. There are no rules here. TRP just shows the path.

[–]Radioactivebuny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're misunderstanding the established consensus on how women think, here: this IS the right thing to do, and if you were to capitulate she'd see that as being weak.

She knows you like her, even if you're a cockhead sometimes. Be a cockhead correctly, and she'll even enjoy it.

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[–]Shaman6624 58 points59 points  (1 child)

That's to be expected though. From a narcissistic walrus.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I'm a tusked adonis while she's a seal on the wrong side of 25 with a blubber problem.

[–]thetrpthrowaway 4 points5 points  (3 children)

What's wrong with sending flowers once?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

For many things in life "just once" is a poor idea for the same reasons as "all the time", just on a smaller scale.

Ex: wasting money, failing shit tests, unhelpful food, skipping workouts, not maintaining your tools/stuff

[–]OptiLaSeR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope. Just once is good than nothing. She will know you care, she will fight more hard to get that little validation again.

You don't pull the hook fast, you reel it in slowly. Pull/Push dynamics apply here as well.

[–]basebool 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She then expects it going forward or keeps bringing up how ypu liked when you sent her flowers, in hoping you do it again.

[–]tanqop 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Very good content. You should post more often.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I. Don't Be Afraid to Have a Woman Be Mad at You.

So many men are wrongly terrified of the consequences of having a woman be mad at them. So sad. And so ironic, because there are no consequences, and if you do it right, there are only benefit

Spot on. Recently I was invited to a party where I met the sister (A) of the birthday girl. Then I chatted to another girl (B) for a few hours and clearly we were going home together.

As we were all leaving A approached me and gave me her number, right in front of B.

I sleep with B then meet up with with A and sleep with her a few times (not that night).

Fast forward a few weeks and someone tells her I'd slept with another girl from that party and she wrote to tell me she was disgusted and disappointed.

I wrote back: I'm perfectly comfortable with what I've done and if you're not, that's your problem. You're a great girl but we don't owe anything to each other.

She replies: Fair enough, true. 10 minutes later...Sorry 1 hour later...Come over tonight?

TL/DR Hold frame and don't be afraid to have a woman mad at you.

[–]teutonictoast 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The first thing that popped into my mind was that she was the one who felt disgusted and disappointed with herself, and she was just projecting her doubt onto you, which you skillfully deflected.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea she thinks I'm a 'bad boy' and sees herself as a 'good girl' and is annoyed that she's attracted to me (at least she articulates that) so maybe you're right.

Her actions and words are contradictory (of course)

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Come over tonight was her admitting she had nothing to offer you besides sex. That's fantastic if that's what you're looking for. Me? I've been looking for more in women.

But here's the kicker. AWALT have nothing to offer men that isn't better provided by other men, besides sex and gestation. I am responding accordingly by trying to make more friends

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AWALT have nothing to offer men that isn't better provided by other men, besides sex and gestation

THis is mostly true-but there are definitely exceptions. Few and far between but worth sifting around for.

[–]mechz21 33 points34 points  (0 children)

IV. Women Stay with Their Abusers. This is self-explanatory at this point; I just had to throw it in as a gratuitous dog turd for the BP crowd to step in. Bad transition for the autists coming up from this point to the next section.

only if you're alpha in her eyes. Once you drop your frame, she'll call the cops on you

[–]Ayoung4u 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Insanely digestible content and easy to understand/apply. Thank you for writing. I agree with the other poster, I'd like to see more content from you.

[–]Gallobrax 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have to echo this thought as well. More content would be appreciated as I can think the OP can further elaborate on this discussion in small chunks.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 28 points29 points  (6 children)

Man this shit is on a whole new level! Science works bitches.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 7 points8 points  (1 child)

The fruits of red-pill freedom are beautiful. Its wisdom is gleeful, adventurous wisdom - not something an anemic academic or autist would ever accept as true, or often even notice.

I personally endorse every theme OP has explained in this rule-breaking post. Definitely worth your attention, especially if you know yourself to be overly logical or overly timid at times. The women in your life will thank you in their own unique way for being unlike any other guy.

[–]3whatsthisgarg[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I personally endorse every theme OP has explained in this rule-breaking post.

Thank you, I really appreciate that.

Definitely worth your attention, especially if you know yourself to be overly logical or overly timid at times. The women in your life will thank you in their own unique way for being unlike any other guy.

It may sound weird, but I actually MISS that adrenaline rush I got the first few times I dared to do something that I KNEW would piss a woman off. I mean something really mundane like when she left an empty milk carton out, so that I would be a good boy and go to the store for her. I wouldn't do it and I knew she would be pissed and there would be consequences and no sex and a big fight etc. etc.

And yet ... nothing. Because I presented myself as the man who wouldn't be ordered around by her or anybody, and I had more important shit to do with my time and energy. And because she was wound up and put in her place, more often than not we would be fucking that night.

Of course, as per the post, I have escalated, and the rewards of sex, affection, adoration, and respect have as well. As you said:

The fruits of red-pill freedom are beautiful.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You got a quality perspective there, that makes sense and fits with my experiences. To add to your info with what works for me:

I've gotten laid in ugly, scary fast, uncomfortable cars by taking girls on a terrifying thrill ride. Smoking the tires, smashing her into the seat with brutal acceleration, it gets them incredibly wet. The uglier the car the more pronounced the effect is. My ideal first date is a dive in my car that includes a dirt road where she can take a piss. When she gets done and gets back in, we almost always fucked. Didn't matter how long I'd known her. The car is full of visceral stimuli, sound, vibration, acceleration forces, and while they beat the shit out of me driving them for long, they make girls wet.

Go on a hike with my dogs and her, pussy is offered up willingly at the end. They usually try to stay ahead of me, so going up hills and steps her ass is in my face. When a girl displays her ass to you multiple times, she is almost certainly wanting you to fuck it.

The one thing that has made every girl wet, and those who didn't get to fuck me would fantasize about fucking me for decades after, is wrestling them. Let them win a little, let her struggle against your strength, your body pressed against hers, legs and arms wrapped around her, and no matter what she does, biting, scratching, whatever, chuckle at her efforts and never say ow or show pain. That is the wettest pussy you'll ever fuck. My second wife used to beg me to wrestle her just so we could have hotter sex. She wanted to do it nude, so it was a seamless transition to fucking.

Exercise, kino, uncertainty, and feeling your strength, nothing works better to get them wet than wrestling around with them. If you're not strong enough to control her easily, it won't work as well. Go fucking lift.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I think Richard Wiseman advises people to do the 'high intensity date' in his book '59 Seconds' - it's a psychology book BTW, not a pick-up manual.

Chris Paley on the other hand, in his thoroughly underwhelming book 'Unthink', advises you to wear red and take her to a warm restaurant - and that's another psychology book.

Proof positive, if ever it were needed, that you should never just rely on one source (even if it seems credible) for all of your information.

[–]BlackJ1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Quality post.

I'm eager to hear more from you.

[–]SilverGryphon 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Get physical: mountain biking, rock climbing, hiking, surfing.

True, bitches love rock climbing. I know a few whom are as good as guys.

[–]TheodoreRPelite 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Examples please! Especially things you can say over text or tinder would be supreme

[–]red-arctic-tern 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's impossible to be authentic if you find stuff to write to girls on the Internet. Improve yourself. Rest will follow.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mystery is key over tinder and text. Don't give direct answers, purposely keep them in the dark, randomly change subjects, spark their curiousity.

Most girls will respond to a cheesy-but-a-little-clever pick up line/opener over HI with a winky face.

[–]anusbleach11111 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In other words, make her feel Alive. Fuck all that mundane bullshit. Get her heart racing and thinking only in the present moment, while you're present. This post will definitely have an impact on my game, thanks op. But more than that, even if it has nothing to do with sexual strategy, this is actually a really brilliant and insightful biological analysis. Now I know why I'm always very horny at the gym.

[–]Self-elected_trainer 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Nice post. But...where are the sources of this science?

[–]Future_Alpha[🍰] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

So many men are wrongly terrified of the consequences of having a woman be mad at them. So sad. And so ironic, because there are no consequences, and if you do it right, there are only benefits.

Not too sure about that point.

I actually am afraid of that. I am in university. I fear that if I fuck up with a girl during the day or during a date, then word will get around. So I hold myself back.

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    [–]Future_Alpha[🍰] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    How is word getting around a good thing, especially if you fucked up on dates or randomly try to kiss her during the day?

    [–]majorbollocks[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Because of women's hamsters. Women want the man that other women want. And hearing about your exploits from another woman gets her wet more than anything else.

    Women's interest in me skyrocketed when people were spreading gossip about me that I'm a fuckboy, player, etc.

    Remember that people who like to gossip also love to exaggerate, so that does 90% of your work for you.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    He meant word getting around about any kind of alpha trait/action. Even seemingly negative things like "he's such an asshole". Which is womenspeak for, I've fucked him, you should go have a turn.

    [–]Future_Alpha[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I see. Problem for me is I can never get past a first date. So when I screw up a date, world will get around.

    [–]imurhckleberry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    grade A content brother, keep it up

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Funny how accurate this has been to some of my lays. I remember this girl asking me to draw her so I drew the picture really grotesque. She then started playing with my hair so I told her don't touch me I don't want Chlamydia. (got laid that same day)

    [–]chloridecells 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This has me laughing my ass off.

    [–]Roaring40sUK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    the physiological signs of attraction and agitation are indistinguishable.

    Great post. Something along similar lines.. I have been in a couple of situations where in playful conversation, I will ask a woman if she trusts me (with a smile on my face). She smiles back and says "No".. and I have then gone on to fuck her..

    I think this is similar, if she is agitated by you, she may not know why.. Any thoughts on this OP?

    [–]lavasse 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    how the fuck do you take a first date on a scary adventure... vandalism or breaking and entering? lol, good luck pitching that. haunted houses aren't around besides in october.

    [–]bengalsturntup5532 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Lol

    Her- what can we do for a first date, meet for coffee?

    Him- no I was thinking about drag racing and after that we go to a heavy metal concert, then we go rob a bank after,then I'll drop you off.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    very good post and Im commenting so I can reread it later.

    100% agree that too many men, me too once, are afraid of women being upset or mad.

    meanwhile, the stress of remaining upset is too much for them ansd soon they rush to fuck you to regain your approval like the followers they are

    There is a shepherd and there are sheep

    [–]3whatsthisgarg[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    meanwhile, the stress of remaining upset is too much for them ansd soon they rush to fuck you to regain your approval like the followers they are

    I know women who LOVE to be mad. I do not understand the dudes who tolerate that shit; it just looks like misery.

    The good thing for guys is the women who are like that are so OBVIOUS about it, and you can just stay clear of that shit.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    they just want to FEEL something, anything

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    OP you seem like a swell guy so here's my question. I found that asshole game works great and always did. Personally I can't understand why some guys never get it. Here's what I found though after many years of being a jerk with a good heart..

    Girls do give up, always. Around the 2-4 month mark they've used every play in their playbook and they go for the final hair mary attempt. Which is to attempt to make me jealous with another guy, triangulation. This never works, they do hover back, apologize, beg etc. But after a while when they realize they can't advance the relationship beyond fuckbuddy. They hike it out and look for a beta.

    Did you experience this to

    [–]3whatsthisgarg[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    But after a while when they realize they can't advance the relationship beyond fuckbuddy. They hike it out and look for a beta.

    Sounds good to me; but that was not what you wanted?

    Did you experience this to

    If I experienced that, I was unaware and didn't care! So so many women, at around the 2-3 month mark, it was like a flip switched and EVERYTHING SHE DOES BUGS ME. Adios.

    I've only gone over the 3-month mark 4 times. Those 4 were apparently fine with my shenanigans. 2 showed their inner psycho eventually and I booked. 1 was sweet but didn't want to share me when she finally figured out what I was up to.

    Still with the last one; she either doesn't know, or doesn't want to know (about others); regarding the stuff in the post, she continually says she wants me to be nicer to her, I just laugh and she continues to adore me. I can't argue with her actions. LOL

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Sounds good to me; but that was not what you wanted?

    Depends, sometimes I'd want to have them spin a bit longer when I am to busy to replace.

    If I experienced that, I was unaware and didn't care! So so many women, at around the 2-3 month mark, it was like a flip switched and EVERYTHING SHE DOES BUGS ME. Adios.

    That's what I wanted to know, I wondered how other guys faired. Since I noticed the repeating pattern of 2-3 months over and over. I just wondered if this is internal or I should be doing something else. It's a minor annoyance.

    It made me wonder what the reasons are. I think it's partial boredom sometimes or they just give up and want to get further with another guy. I do have them always recontact me after a while. But the cycles only get shorter and shorter. Sometimes it does bore me, the constant repetition. Since girls aren't all that unique or some shit. I've heard them all by now, they feel like computer game NPC spouting scripted dialogue it's horrible. That's the one thing that pisses me off the most. Although it does help because I start saying ridiculous shit to see if they can utter a new line I haven't heard.

    [–]3whatsthisgarg[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    That's what I wanted to know, I wondered how other guys faired. Since I noticed the repeating pattern of 2-3 months over and over.

    I actually don't think it's that common; I see and hear about couples staying together for years even when the sex drops off and they really don't like each other; fear of being alone or something. The guys I personally know who have done this are low-value slobs, so I think that plays in it.

    It made me wonder what the reasons are.

    Since girls aren't all that unique or some shit.

    there's your answer. Most PEOPLE are boring, and most WOMEN are annoying. I can only look past that for the familiar 2-3 months.

    Unfortunately, when I started getting distant, they only got MORE attached. Looking back with TRP lens, I can see that now.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I actually don't think it's that common; I see and hear about couples staying together for years even when the sex drops off and they really don't like each other; fear of being alone or something. The guys I personally know who have done this are low-value slobs, so I think that plays in it.

    Yeh but they aren't really spinning these girls. The relationship bottles down to the guy giving all his time and attention to the girl in exchange for less and less sex. When you actually plate a girl I found that she gives up after 2-3 months. I can be a jerk though so perhaps most other guys keep them around longer.

    Most PEOPLE are boring, and most WOMEN are annoying. I can only look past that for the familiar 2-3 months.

    Generally I figure out a girls personality within a week or two so the really unbearable ones don't even make it beyond a month. Those that drop off after about three usually just disgusted me one way or another. For example, I slut test them constantly. When I hear a girl proclaim she likes black guys or has fantasies about gangbangs or male threesomes I get emotionally turned off. To associate myself with a girl like that beyond fucking doesn't appeal to me at all. I've dropped the most girls late in the cycle because of sexual degeneracy like this. If they are truly annoying I don't even go for follow ups unless it's pure booty calling.

    Unfortunately, when I started getting distant, they only got MORE attached. Looking back with TRP lens, I can see that now.

    They do but don't you experience them either attempting to 1. triangulate you in the hopes that it gets you jealous or 2. keep looking for a guy that does want to commit. Perhaps we attract different types, I usually end up with the crazy manipulating girls who fall hard for me but can't handle the lack of control. They are great fun though. You will never find a girl more submissive, eager and filthy. The best part is getting them so desperate they literally crawl after you on the floor wearing nothing but a skimpy outfit.

    Pealing away until you reach that primal state is a sure thrill, but after they exhaust every attempt to get to you they fade away or try to include another guy.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Think the problem here is that you play the game well and now know it too well so of course it feels dull. Also reading people is a really my opinion deducting and generalizing their experiences and personality, this will probably explain two thirds of them honestly, but the last one third can be quite random. If you look at girls from a purely sexual standpoint; you know your goal, you know the way there and when you get it you dont feel any more pursuit. So you got to create a more meanful goal, maybe one not related to girls, get out of your comfort zone. But hey just an interent stranger.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well actually my goals beyond girls are much more exciting. I won't bore you with specifics but my interests reach much further, it's been a great ride so far. That's where I find my thoughts racing to day after day and never the girl.

    Although them being boring isn't a direct problem. I was just wondering if I was plating girls right because they always drop after 3 months. I'm running pure asshole game tho I guess I answered my own question. Still it helps to share experiences.

    [–]cherryCanSuckMyDick 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Honestly, the first link in the sidebar should just be the Wikipedia article about sexual dimorphism.

    You would not believe how many of the problems that this sub addresses are directly related to modern men being raised to believe that males and females in our species are fundamentally the same. I would not be surprised if you took an anonymous poll of the men in my area, and easily 90-95% of them would believe that the two genders behave in the same way, even when they themselves behave in a way that doesnt line up with that belief at all.

    Its the biggest reason why so many people are unhappy; a female human needs to act like a fucking woman, and a male human needs to be a fucking man. If you dont live that way, you cannot and will not be happy in your mind on a day to day basis.

    [–]3whatsthisgarg[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Honestly, the first link in the sidebar should just be the Wikipedia article about sexual dimorphism.

    You would not believe how many of the problems that this sub addresses are directly related to modern men being raised to believe that males and females in our species are fundamentally the same. I would not be surprised if you took an anonymous poll of the men in my area, and easily 90-95% of them would believe that the two genders behave in the same way, even when they themselves behave in a way that doesnt line up with that belief at all.

    Its the biggest reason why so many people are unhappy; a female human needs to act like a fucking woman, and a male human needs to be a fucking man. If you dont live that way, you cannot and will not be happy in your mind on a day to day basis.

    Rock bottom, cast iron, hardcore TRUTHS. Make a post about it.

    [–]Alexinfinite01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Solid gold. Women need to be worked up into some form of discomfort that requires release. Following your post it should be easy for a man to become that source of release

    [–]ElusiveSpecter 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    You should explain why you think MGTOWs and incels are retards. Otherwise, good post.

    [–]3whatsthisgarg[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    You should explain why you think MGTOWs and incels are retards. Otherwise, good post.

    Good point and thank you.

    I don't think they are retards. I think the assholes who post in the Blue Pill who think they are superior to them do.

    Let me clarify: to the BP crowd, IF YOU THINK THEY ARE WRONG, YOU ARE MAKING FUN OF RETARDED PEOPLE. OTHERWISE YOU ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THEY ARE RIGHT.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think he meant tell us in what way they're retards. Contrast the arguments so even a retard can see the truth.

    [–]VickVaseline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Bravo! I love to see good science on here.

    [–]BloodRedAlert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I never knew they do shit tests because sex is *too tiring***. This is a good science read. I wish they'll never teach this kind of science in schools. 10/10 will look forward for more of your science class <3

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Thanks OP, you address something important that I realize I need to keep in mind. Don't be apologetic especially when a girl deserves to be told off on. Don't give ground, and concede to her even when she plays the crying card or starts unnervingly you by ghosting. I guess I don't like the scene of an angry woman in my head and was taught to comfort them during that time and never really questioned it. Great Mind Opener.

    [–]michael_wilkins -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Increased blood pressure, elevated heart rate, muscular tension, and the attendant effects of light-headedness, perhaps increased perspiration, and that pit-of-the-stomach feeling.

    Birthgivers long and wavy pasta products.

    [–]vwzwv -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    There's a reason you get punched in the are when you are called an asshole