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Red Pill TheoryGirls just want to have fun (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TRP VanguardArchwinger

The Red Pill is a relatively new phenomenon, but the need for the Red Pill is as old (or older) than many of us. In 1983, I was a toddler. I’m older than a lot of you, younger than some. That year, Cyndi Lauper recorded the iconic song “Girls Just Want to Have Fun.” The lyrics playfully talk about a girl coming home after being out all night (presumably getting fucked), guys calling for her at all hours, and her parents disapprove, but they don’t understand, because girls just want to have fun. Some boys want to hide a beautiful girl away, but she wants to bask in the sun flaunting herself to the boys. When the working day is done, girls just want to have fun.

Fun fact – the original lyrics to this iconic hit from the 80s were written by a guy named Robert Hazard, and the song was originally about a player cad cruising about, crushing vag. He’d come home late at night, presumably after fucking girls, get scolded by his parents, and exclaim that the girls just want to have fun. That’s all they want. Lauper found the original lyrics to this song to be misogynistic, so she rewrote them to the ones summarized in the first paragraph, intending them to be an anthem for young women. Oddly, they’re even more misogynistic her way.

Housewives galore, my mother included, did aerobics classes in psychedelically colored leotards to this song, while reminiscing and gossiping about all the guys they fucked in the 60s and 70s during their hippie days in high school and college. And badmouthing their clean-cut, hardworking husbands who put on conservative dark suits and white dress shirts every day to go sit in an office and pray that the recession didn’t cost them the jobs that were supporting their wives and kids and paying for their tenuous middle class lifestyle. Even as early as the 60s, hard-working, responsible men who provided for their families were boring. A laughingstock when women were alone together. A necessary evil.

This didn’t stop women who’d fucked their way through college (after earlier women fought for their right to be there) from settling down and marrying a stable guy. Sure beats working. Work sucks, and girls just want to have fun.

Hazard knew what was up, or at least the character in his song did. The original message in those lyrics was meant for guys, not girls. Girls already knew they wanted to have fun. They’d been having fun for awhile. It was men in the 70s and 80s who needed to get a clue. The song didn’t go, “Girls just want to fuck a guy with a middle class job.” You couldn’t say fuck on the radio.

The 70s and 80s were burdened with feminism. First-wave feminism was awesome. Women needed to be able to vote and own property and not be second-class citizens. Second-wave feminism was better than the shit we have today, but was considerably more retarded than first-wave feminism. Apparently, keeping house while the husband works wasn’t the standard because it makes logical sense for the person who doesn’t get pregnant to be the one relied upon for income. It was the standard due to systemic sexism. The world definitely had to do away with that. The line’s a little blurry where second-wave feminism ends and third-wave feminism begins, but the third wave is essentially just planting a victory flag as far up the ass of society as possible, because they already won equality decades ago, so now it’s time to normalize being a slut. Girls just want to have fun.

Mark my words, if we don’t have a war or something else significant to shock the world in the interim, in another decade or two, one-sided poly marriages will be a somewhat common thing. Sexless men who are just happy to have a wife, marrying women who are free to go fuck whoever they want. Because trying to use marriage to own and control women is a patriarchal relic from the past. If men want to commit to women, that’s fine, but they’d better check their privilege and not think that marrying someone means they own that vagina. It’s her vagina, to fuck whoever she wants. Not her husband’s. He should be thrilled when she comes home ready to bear kids for him to help raise. That’s why he married her. For a family, right? Be a real man. Marry a woman and support her family for her.

The old regime died decades ago. Women get free birth control through their insurance. They have jobs and support themselves, scholarships designated just for them, sexist programs designed to put more of them into various fields independent of qualifications, and other ways to make life a bit easier for them. If they don’t have jobs or don’t make enough with the jobs they have, they get free insurance and free money from the government. And if a woman slips up and gets pregnant, she can get an abortion at will, no questions asked. Or if she knows who the father is, she can have the kid if she wants it, and the government will take a portion of his paycheck and send it to her. That portion isn’t based on her expenses. It’s based on how much money he makes. So she can spend a little time keeping track of his promotions and raises and get that amount increased periodically. If he’s ever a dime short, he goes to jail.

Women don’t need hard-working, responsible guys who support them any more. They didn’t need that in the 60s, they didn’t need it in the 80s, they don’t need it now. Girls just want to have fun.

Don’t go crazy now. You still have to be hard-working and responsible. For you, not them. Your job is to support yourself awesomely and be a badass, because being a badass is fun. Hey, guys want to have fun, too. Sucking and having a shit life is not fun.

But for them, your job isn’t to be hard-working and responsible. They want to have fun. They don’t need you to support them or save them or love them or cherish them. The world’s given them a safety net. You don’t need to be their soft place to land. They have that already. They won it fair and square. Society failed the shit test and gave women the farm. And now women don’t respect society any more. They piss all over society daily and still call it unfair and sexist, after all it’s done for them. Now they’re angling for two farms and a private island, and society will probably give it to them.

Your only purpose to women now is entertainment. Hard work? Responsibility? Support? Boring. Girls hate boring. Your job is to be fun. Girls want to have fun. If you’re not fun and interesting, they’ll fuck someone else. There are plenty of someone elses.

You young guys out there need to work harder than ever, for you. Get your awesome life in gear, for you, so when this bubble bursts, you’re on top. But on your down time, ride this third wave of slutty feminism as far as it can take you. Look hot, smile, be fun, and abdicate all appearances of work, responsibility, or love. Entertain them. Perform like a monkey. Stick your dick in them. Laugh at them inside your head. Then go home and keep working on that awesome life you’re building. It’ll be our secret.


[–][deleted] 238 points239 points  (35 children)

Great fucking post. It's funny, I recently heard this song on the radio and had the exact same realization: "Girls just want to have fun" is a complete and comprehensive thesis statement that the entire gender can get behind.

What do girls want? Fun. That's it. Nothing else. Big Daddy government ensures they will never spend a night on the streets or go hungry. So what's left for them to seek? Fun.

Another song that's an unbelievably accurate summation of current gender politics is Daft Punk's "Get Lucky."

"She's up all night to have fun. I'm up all night to get lucky. "

Men go to clubs and parties for the purpose of getting laid. Their testosterone-fueled brains mandate that they spend their energy seeking sex. But women don't have the same hormonal balance, and their sex drives are nowhere near as intense as a man's.

So, like Daft Punk says:

When a girl goes to a party, she just wants to have fun. If a tall dark Alpha wants to fuck her, great! But if not, it's okay, because she's still having fun.

But when a man goes to a party, he just wants to get lucky. If he doesn't get lucky, he regrets going to the party, because he messed up his circadian rhythms and hormonal balance by staying up so late drinking what is technically poison. Smart men soon realize that it's more efficient and healthier to spend their energy improving themselves during the day than going out late at night, sacrificing sleep and energy, in order to get lucky.

She's up all night to have fun. He's up all night to get lucky.

Meanwhile, I'm in bed early to wake up early, hit the gym, eat breakfast, and continue building my awesome life.

Thanks for the post Archwinger, you're one of the best writers we've got.

[–]LuvBeer 82 points83 points  (31 children)

Meanwhile, I'm in bed early to wake up early, hit the gym, eat breakfast, and continue building my awesome life.

Girls want to have fun. If you’re not fun and interesting, they’ll fuck someone else. There are plenty of someone elses.

Now that I'm in my late 30s, hangovers completely wipe out a full day. When my early 20s plates invite me out with them and their friends, I decline, because I'm boring in their context. I don't need to impress them: we're already fucking, and I can let their imaginations fill in the details about my wild life when I'm really in bed by 11.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (26 children)

Dude I'm in my 20's and hangovers wipe out a full day or TWO or THREE for me. Maybe I'm just hyper-sensitive to it, but for me, going out is a losing game. I've always found improving myself and day gaming way more lucrative anyway.

[–]CreateTheFuture 158 points159 points  (12 children)

Drink more water.

[–]a-tapir 83 points84 points  (1 child)

Honestly this guy is correct. I drink quite a bit for a student taking a second degree, and the best hangovr cure is to drink a fuck ton of water before going to sleep. I'm even drunk right now so I'm right don't argue

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    [–]1aguy01 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Yes. This. Either add sugar/salt or drink gatorade. Electrolytes get depleted by processing the alcohol and have a big effect on the tiredness during the hang over.

    [–]animestar93 32 points33 points  (0 children)

    This guy knows how to drink properly.

    [–]suloco 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    Exactly! I haven't had a hangover in over a year and I party a lot. I just don't drink that much (like I did before), use moderation and make every other drink a glass of water. Oh and weed. Definitely. A little weed and moderate alcohol can take you to a party mood and later lay you down for a nice 9 hour sleep. No problem.

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      [–]CreateTheFuture 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      That's not a hangover; that's poisoning.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      Don't get suckered into drinking too much. Tell the bartender you want a jack and coke without the jack and they will happily oblige while you save face.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 6 points7 points  (5 children)

      The fuck? Early 30s here, I go out 1-2 times a month drinking ungodly amounts (I'm a big dude, 220Lbs of not fat) after pregaming with ~.5L of vodka to go to bed at 3AM and be up (probably still drunk) by 5:30 to run and get my ass back to training. Losing 2-3 days does not sound healthy, or okay. Alcohol annihilates your Folate, Calcium, A & B12 - take a high dose of those along with at least 3 quarts of Coconut Water when you get home after a night out.

      Also, there's reliable evidence that taking NAC before alcohol consumption significantly reduces the downsides.

      Learn about nutrition & your body. Never use vitamins or other shit as a substitute for a proper, healthy diet.

      [–]1aguy01 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      go to bed at 3AM and be up (probably still drunk) by 5:30 to run and get my ass back to training.

      For real you are probably better off just sleeping in. Drinking lowers testosterone, lack of sleep lowers testosterone, and training without properly recovering reduces testosterone.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Drinking and lack of sleep do indeed lower testosterone, you are correct. As for "properly recovering"...

      If you are mentally, emotionally or on another non-physical level, stressed you likely have high Cortisol. Training without proper (muscular) recovery or training with high Cortisol due to other reasons is detrimental, however if you don't feel "stressed"/"annoyed" (the feeling of Cortisol) and your muscles are recovered, you are primed for training.

      Going into the gym drunk on 3 hours of sleep when your muscles were already almost fully recovered the night before doesn't magically put tears in your muscle fibers or drain your glucogen (the conditions for overwhelming release of Cortisol to the point where it has an overall negative impact on Testosterone from a resistance training session).

      Mind you, there's a world of difference between the casual aestheticfag gym rat and someone who's been training for almost a decade. If I don't go to the gym or otherwise physically exert myself, my entire day feels wrong & fucked up.

      [–]rpscrote 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Also, there's reliable evidence that taking NAC before alcohol consumption significantly reduces the downsides.

      NAC is awesome. There's evidence that people with nervous tics (nail biting, scab picking) do those activities less while regularly taking NAC, in addition to its liver benefits.

      [–]beginner_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Travel sickness pills help against all types of sickness. ;)

      [–]theproudbanana 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Most people have a hard time drinking X drink, IE my friend cant drink wine. Maybe you should try to drink the one that you gives less hangover, for me its whisky

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Switch to dangerous drugs instead?

      [–]1aguy01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You have some nutritional problems if that's happening bro.

      [–]Buchloe 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      Yep. "Boring old man! You never do anything fun!" Yep. That's me. But I'll see you later tonight when I bend your drunk little ass over the sofa. THEN I'll be doing something fun.

      [–]ThroughDarkness 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      How do you get these plates if you're in bed by 11? Is it through online dating/Tinder?

      [–]xPURE_AcIDx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Haha except if you're in a professional degree its more like study late, study in the morning, study in the afternoon. Get ripped in the summer while making bank.

      [–][deleted] 236 points237 points  (50 children)

      Taylor Swift provides the modern day slut anthem

      Saw you there and I thought oh my god... Look at that face, you look like my next mistake

      [–]25russianbear25 63 points64 points  (0 children)

      girl are allowed to make "mistakes", its part of life, growing up and having fun!!

      she can learn from her mistakes when shes 40!

      [–][deleted] 160 points161 points  (23 children)

      I wasn't born last night

      I know these hoes ain't right

      But you was blowing up her phone last night

      But she ain't have her ringer nor her ring on last night, oh

      Nigga, that's that nerve

      Why give a bitch your heart

      When she rather have a purse?

      Why give a bitch your inch

      When she rather have nine?

      You know how the game goes

      She be mine by half time, I'm the shit, oh

      Nigga, that's that nerve

      You all about her, and she all about hers

      People say rap is just gibberish and nonsense. I don't. I love it, these rappers are on the red pill and most people don't even know it. They aren't just talking out of their ass they speaking from experience, they are speaking a philosophy.

      [–]25russianbear25 36 points37 points  (0 children)

      this should be redpill anthem

      love the nerve part... everyone gets so defensive when exposing females

      [–]Anderfail 11 points12 points  (3 children)

      The only redpill music left is rap, metal, and outlaw country (not modern country). These are the only genres where it is accepted to be very masculine.

      [–]rpscrote 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      half of metal subgenres are pussified though, even if they still make good music. The other half of metal is definitely "fuck you" which is awesome

      [–]Anderfail 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      The SJW kind of metal is obvious though because it doesn't contain the pure aggression that standard metal does. They try to incorporate shit like vegetarianism and other bullshit, but it doesn't work at all and makes them come across as posers. That kind of aggression and rage cannot be faked.

      [–]prodigy2throw 30 points31 points  (0 children)

      I swear this song was my summer anthem. Best part was when these girls were singing along with the song. AWALT

      [–]1aguy01 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      I grew up on Bluepill alternative shit in the 90s. Now all I listen to is rap.

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      Notice how all the 60s soul songs were based on love. James brown's "a man loves a women" was about his love for her. Notice when the 3rd wave of feminism came in the 90s and music started to change, songs like "bitches ain't nothing but hoes and tricks" "don't love these hoes" because the women started to fuck every guy that makes their pussy tingle with no restraint, then want to settle down with betas when they lose their youthful vigor.

      [–]seiken287 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      Used to never listen to r&b/hip hop/rap growing up. Now it's really the only kind of lyrics+music I can tolerate.

      [–]the99percent1 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      Big Sean, I don't fuck with you.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      That song gets stuck in my head so easily

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      Source on the song for those in mobile?

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      [–]occupythekitchen 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      god this chick i was hanging with would play this song on repeat it burned me out of it

      [–]prodigy2throw 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Also check out Ty Dolla Sign. He actually wrote the song. The guy spits more unintentional Red Pill than anyone. Looks like a 40 year old perv but has the confidence of Iron Man

      [–]Kingspot 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      "Lord Knows"

      Last week I fucked 5 bitches don't remember one name

      She wanna know more, I want one thing

      Had her drinking and smoking on the tour bus

      Last year I remember they ignored us

      She used to fuck with A$AP

      Too $hort said he knew the bitch from way back

      These groupie hoes ain't got no morals

      Where that pussy goes only lord knows

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        [–]rztzz 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        I was trying to explain to my girlfriend that Taylor Swift shoots herself in the foot by dating guys out of her league like the One Direction front-man. My Girlfriend obviously disagreed and felt she was led astray by men, and Taylor was entitled to have fun.

        Lets see how the "fun" works out for her in the long run.

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          [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

          All of her songs are like that ASALT:

          And to the fella over there with the hella good hair... Won't you come on over baby we could shake, shake

          [–]LoveOfThreeLemons 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          You look like bad news/I gotta have you

          [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (3 children)

          It doesn't matter, because even if it is, the masses are blind to the initial intentions, aka lost in translation.

          [–]dropit_reborn 21 points22 points  (3 children)

          Perhaps, but I guarantee the median listener is not smirking at satire, but placing herself in the position of the character described in the song.

          [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

          Yah but that's only 1 person though, so not really a big deal.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 129 points130 points  (31 children)

          That last paragraph is the key.

          Stop being mad and upset. If these women want to be whores then let them, it's their body and they are indeed free to do whatever they want.

          Just don't fall into the trap of taking them seriously as partners. Appease them. Placate them. Be the little sociopath they want, feed them their pretty little lies they crave. Let them go clubbing and do whatever the fuck they wsnt.

          Treat them like children and do not hold them responsible for anything. And then when you meet someone better or find a woman worth dating, drop her snd move on.

          She won't care because she's got a million other guys she's been fucking and you get someone who will cherish and respect your hsrd work and effort. Win win.

          [–]Godtiermasturbator 51 points52 points  (15 children)

          Well, you might get to date/marry a woman who cherishes and respects you. Don't expect it, because AWALT. Let it be icing on the cake if it happens, otherwise be happy with the awesome life you've built for yourself.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 16 points17 points  (13 children)

          Nope, those women are still out there. I've noticed the more masculine and real i am the more date able women become. Once you break through the brainwashing they become really genuine and respectful.

          [–]-Awake- 27 points28 points  (3 children)

          They don't love you my friend, they love the game. If you forget that then you're fucked

          [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 25 points26 points  (1 child)

          All men should know it's both.

          She loves me because I know how to play the game.

          [–]makesomewyrms 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          they love how you make them feel. That's it.

          [–]e50000 36 points37 points  (6 children)

          Or you've just graduated to a higher tier that are better at lying and hiding it.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 28 points29 points  (5 children)

          There have been several studies into why sociopaths exist because if they were a genetic deterrent they should've been removed from the gene pool.

          but it takes a special society, an overly tolerant, completely insecure and narcissistic society to breed sociopaths. We happen to live in such a society.

          So when I say you're surrounded by people who are all better liars then you I'm not on some littlefinger shit. I'm genuinely trying to warn you about what you're dealing with.

          [–]sweetleef 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Quit your job, give away all your money and possessions, then go home and start swaggering around about how much of a "masculine" tough guy you are. Pay close attention to how much she loves you then.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Being masculine includes financial stability and the ability to provide snd protect

          Getting emotional and offended and transcending into the world of absurdum helps no one

          [–]A419a 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Just look younger and maybe go some place where younger doesn't mean jail. Also look outside of the US and other 'well off' countries. It isn't a guarantee but you significantly up your chances, if that is what you are looking for.

          [–]Patranus 21 points22 points  (12 children)

          Just don't fall into the trap of taking them seriously as partners.

          The key here is to additionally don't talk them seriously as partners later when they decide to 'settle down'.

          They should not be rewarded for their behavior and allow them to 'settle down' after running around like a child until they are 30.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 19 points20 points  (11 children)

          My friend it's too late for that. There is now two generations of brainwashed men who think single moms and thirty something career women are worthy partners.

          Guys who WANT to be house dads

          [–]Patranus 6 points7 points  (8 children)

          You make a mistake. A thirty something career woman looking to settle down is on a completely different playing field than that 30 something single mom.

          The 30 something career woman put in the same work as the 30 something career male. They usually went through the trials and tribulations as the men and usually actually didn't slut it up and then look for the 30 something man to settle down with. They were too busy which is a plus.

          The aversion is toward the 30 something single mom or freeloader who passed up the 20 something men in they heyday who were working towards having a stable life. They should not be rewarded to staying in neutral and not pushing them selves or for slutting it up.

          [–]InflatableRaft 31 points32 points  (0 children)

          Trust me, career women are slutting it up too. AWALT

          [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 9 points10 points  (6 children)

          I need to know if you're being sarcastic before I respond

          [–]A419a 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Worthy? Men are taught they are a world better than someone much younger. I get a funny feeling listening to the guys who say they want someone with a ton of experience. Yuck

          [–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 45 points46 points  (3 children)

          True.

          This is why the loud, socially active overconfident "jerks" fuck all of them when their smv is at the highest.

          It's better to offend a woman than to bore her.

          [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 32 points33 points  (1 child)

          It's better to offend a woman than to bore her.

          Not only that, but if you can recover from offending her then you've given her a huge emotional spike which is exciting, ergo attractive. See also: push-pull.

          [–]2Overkillengine 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Like a roller-coaster, you can't have highs without the lows.

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          It's better to offend her than compliment her.

          [–]Buchloe 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          Equally pertinent in this era of fat-shaming and obesity is weird Al's rendition "Girls just wanna have lunch", which also features an epic synth-fart solo.

          [–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 31 points32 points  (2 children)

          Speaking about songs from that time... Madonna put out the song "Material girl". I remember when that song was on the radio and how all the girls loved it and all the guys just tried their best to ignore that it existed. The lyrics are very telling and very red pill.

          http://www.metrolyrics.com/material-girl-lyrics-madonna.html

          If you don't have money you aren't attractive. My favorite part is

          They can beg and they can plead But they can't see the light (that's right) 'Cause the boy with the cold hard cash Is always Mister Right"

          [–]tallwheel 13 points14 points  (1 child)

          That would be the '80s beta bucks song. The alpha fucks song would be Gloria Estefan's "Bad Boy".

          Bad, bad, bad, bad boy, you make me feel so good

          Always get so restless, nothing but trouble Leaving me feeling breathless, nothing but trouble

          It's pretty much all spelled out there. Bad boys give the tingles. It's staring everyone straight in the face... or at least in the ears. It was on the radio being broadcasted to us constantly. How did people not get the message?

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Because for every RP anthem there were also crooning love beta songs. It went along with the nerd-get-the-girl fantasies force fed to us in the 80s. It was a giant battleground that I kow I did not have the eyes to see, but in retrospect, it was a bloody war.

          Never Gonna Give You Up, Say Say Say, Head Over Heels versus Girls, Girls, Girls, Cherry Pie, Billie Jean.

          But to answer your question, people like me didn't get the message back then because of single motherhood and political correctness. We can't blame (or praise) the media for influencing us, because it is only a reflection of attitudes at the time. (In a similar vein, I don't worry that violent video games create violent kids.)

          [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 57 points58 points  (7 children)

          Fun fact – the original lyrics to this iconic hit from the 80s were written by a guy named Robert Hazard, and the song was originally about a player cad cruising about, crushing vag. He’d come home late at night, presumably after fucking girls, get scolded by his parents, and exclaim that the girls just want to have fun. That’s all they want. Lauper found the original lyrics to this song to be misogynistic, so she rewrote them to the ones summarized in the first paragraph, intending them to be an anthem for young women. Oddly, they’re even more misogynistic her way.

          As a kid who grew up in the 80's, playing with GI Joe, TMNT, and hearing this song on the radio constantly, that's a pretty cool-to-know TIL. Feminism was wrecking my childhood and I never even knew it.

          [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

          The original version is craptons better than Lauper's, too. Not just the small lyric modifications. The arrangement itself.

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

          Did anyone ever record the original version as a song?

          [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

          You can find it on YouTube, I think.

          [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

          [–]nillotampoco 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          I'll say, both versions suck.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I was thinking the same thing, but I do like Robbie's better. It sounds more organic at least, after listening to this Lauper's sounds like it was shrink wrapped and shoved up a campy robot's ass.

          [–]ilikeurbootyimnotgay 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          I'm just waiting for male sex toys to become indistinguishable from real women.

          The driving force of success for a lot of men is women. What will women do when the men don't want to work anymore?

          [–]captshady 18 points19 points  (4 children)

          I remember those days, I was in H.S. It was totally an girl's anthem back then, along with "Like a Virgin" (I know I've banged everyone in town, but with you, it's LIKE I'm a virgin) and "Material Girl" (If they don't give me proper credit, I just walk away) by Madonna.

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            [–]real-boethius 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            First-wave feminism was awesome. Women needed to be able to vote and own property and not be second-class citizens.

            I suggest you read up a bit about early feminism. They were pushing for women to get custody of children plus child support from day 1 (it is in Mary Wollstonecraft's book from the eighteenth century). They were the driving force behind the disaster that was prohibition. Many of them (eg Emmeline Pankhurst) supported the white feather brigades (social enforcement of men having to enlist in the armed forces). Pankhurst also promoted the vote for upper class but not lower class (propertyless) women to help the ruling class retain their hold on power.

            And what have women done with their votes? They have awarded themselves money, mostly taken from men at the point of a gun. Nowadays the government takes vast sums of money from men in the form of taxes, "child support", alimony and gives it to women.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 53 points54 points  (4 children)

            I'm going to weigh in on the minority position of agreeing that first wave feminism was necessary.

            I have an antique player piano, and some of the 100+ year rolls include lyrics about women wanting the right to vote, then wanting to be able to smoke... at the time, this was positively scandalous. Other rolls from this era include lyrics about the darkies working in the cotton fields. It is not a time I hearken to with nostalgia, or think returning to this time would improve womens' OR mens' lot in life.

            Many seem to be judging the suffragettes by today's comfortable standards, and coming to ridiculous conclusions. Married women were like galley slaves, running the household without modern appliances, even electric light in many cases. Unmarried women were worse off; social and economic pariahs. All women were considered the property of some man, and they had no say or standing in politics, the public arena, or their own destiny. I would not want to live in such a society as a man, and the problems of modern feminism can be confronted and vanquished by intelligent men without the thought of returning to such a system.

            The civil rights movement of the 60s saw some additional necessary advancements. Another thing I notice about my piano rolls, love songs from the early 1900s till 1960 often mentioned a preacher or marriage. That stopped after the birth control pill was introduced.

            I think Feminism went off the rails with the most radical of the Womens' Lib era of the mid 70s. This marks when feminism lost the focus on equality, and went off in the weeds with the bra-burning, don't need a man rejection of femininity itself. Place the blame where it belongs, and it becomes apparent that the solution to neo-feminism's problems isn't as radical as removing the right of women to vote.

            As for Cyndi Lauper, that song was popular during my high school years. I've always dismissed it as silly, but with a red pill perspective, it does make sense as an anthem of an era when women can do foolish things in the pursuit of fun and never suffer harsh consequences.

            [–]UgUgImDyingYouIdiot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Those songs, just like the songs of today, were a form of social engineering, putting the ideas in your head with catchy melodies that you repeat over and over. I have a history book written by "progressive" darling HG Wells and it's from the same first wave era, absolutely chock full of the same type of shit. He actually claims in that book that the founding principle of the USA wasthatwomen were not citizens. All that kind of shit does is engrain a convenient narrative for the current political class to use to get their goals furthered. It's a big agenda.

            [–]Newdist2 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            Married women were like galley slaves, running the household without modern appliances, even electric light in many cases.

            And their husbands were working 14 hour days six days a week in the coal mines. Life sucked back before technology.

            [–]Eskibro47 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            A moderate opinion on this board that didn't get downvoted: I'm impressed.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Deserve a lot more upvotes than you're going to get.

            [–]Hennez 17 points18 points  (1 child)

            That's exactly how it is. Girls wanna have fun and guys want to be loved. Fun guys get to fuck them and the other to fuck themselves. Nice but boring guys do realize this but don't know what to do in order to fuck them, well it would be better to say that they do know how to get the girls (the fun guy's attitude they think offends the honor of their princesses) but don't want to accept it.

            EDIT: better explaining.

            [–]RPSigmaStigma 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Yep. It's gamma males hamstering about how they think things should be, refusing to accept how they are. It's a narcissistic self-congratulating cycle. The funny thing is, these gammas vacillate between pedestalizing women (falsely, under the auspices of "respecting" them), and secretly hating women for not "appreciating" their (insincere) attempts to be "not like all the other assholes".

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            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            In France a man has to pay for his wife's kid, even if it's not his kid.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 14 points15 points  (10 children)

            Firstly, excellent post. Your writing is clear and concise. I like your style and this kind of high quality post is the reason why I come to TRP. Your analysis of Robert Hazard's song encapsulates how feminists spin a harsh reality into a moral anthem for their own ideological shock troops.

            I do have one major issue to bring up. You wrote:

            First-wave feminism was awesome. Women needed to be able to vote and own property and not be second-class citizens. Second-wave feminism was better than the shit we have today, but was considerably more retarded than first-wave feminism. ... in another decade or two, one-sided poly marriages will be a somewhat common thing. (emphasis mine)

            More men should challenge their beliefs about liberal democracy and universal suffrage. It's mind boggling that you wrote such a cogent summary of the downward spiral of Western civilization and the very thing that started us down that spiral earns a grade of "awesome."

            No. Women were not second class citizens. Civilization is a male invention. It is built, maintained, and defended by males. When (always when, never if) shit hits the fan it is millions of men that pay the price to put things back together.

            In the United States when white men decided to end slavery and salvage the Union it was men that were slaughtered by the hundreds of thousands to make it happen. The United States is a male project. When Europe was engulfed in the Great War, and then threatened again 20 years later, it was millions of men that were slaughtered to prevent world conquest by the Nazis. Every tribal village, principality, country, Kingdom, and Empire is a male project.

            The idea that women should vote when they never have and never will defend the entity in which they are controlling is laughable. That, in effect, makes them first class citizens, above men. They have the privilege of controlling resources without the burden of defending them.

            Furthermore, men should question the wisdom of allowing the poorest and dumbest masses to control the machinations of the State. Since women have had the vote it has been a steady march toward replacing men with big daddy gov. The very thing that men built, maintain, and defend with blood is now robbing us to replace us through the hocus-pocus of the enshrined vote. We sense that something is amiss, that we are headed for a crash of some sort, but the worse it gets the more we look for Hope & ChangeTM .

            Women unconsciously want to be conquered and ravaged by their betters. A good case study is the country of Sweden. Once in the top 3 for standard of living in the entire world, the ideology of feminism gained a tight grip and they raced full speed left off the cliff. Currently Sweden is being colonized by outsiders. Muslims, and sub-Saharan Africans. Once a safe and prosperous place, it is quickly turning into the rape capital of the entire world. It is estimated that in 20 to 30 years Sweden will have the standard of living of a third world country. They are going backward in time. Swedish feminists shit tested their men and the men failed. So they are inviting in men from Africa by the boatload. Needless to say those Africans don't buy into feminism, and they are raping and pillaging the Swedish women and social services respectively. Women can't be trusted to lead civilization. It's not their thing. When push comes to shove they would rather get raped than be called racist.

            I agree with the overall message of this post. Have your fun. Spin plates. Fuck sluts. But wake up on the political side of life, eh? Democracy is a sham and universal suffrage is a time bomb. Civilization has always been a male venture and when women have too much say, they take all the goodies for themselves. We see this in countless examples of marriages where the woman is in charge and cuckolds the man. The same can be said on the country and empire level.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            With luxury came freedom. With Americans freed from the tyranny of survival, they craved equality next. True, there will forever be a cycle of luxury, freedom, downfall, advancement, and luxury again, but should freedom be restricted because of it? It's a moral problem, to me. Is it moral to maintain civilization if it oppresses? Is it moral to give freedom if it brings down civilization? Think of V for Vendetta and the like. Sure, the movie is propaganda for revolution where it may not be needed, but giving moral agency to "organization" is murky.

            I would agree with you 100% that freedom makes us inefficient and possibly even poor, but the tyranny of philosophy makes it hard to say that the current situation is objectively poor. If you spin plates and enjoy the decline, such chaos can be seen as good, in a self-serving, semi-nihilistic way.

            [–]kevkos 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Spot on, and nothing that a good dose of anarchy won't fix. I'm not being facetious- government itself is the problem. Humans are autonomous by nature, and having a centralized system of domination and control simply does not work, and leads to the exact problems we are discussing here.

            Government is just human beings.

            They are supposedly superior to us, allowed to use violence against us, legally to support a corrupt system? These are mere politicians I might add, some of the greediest types of people on earth.

            Democracy certainly is a sham, but voting, male or female, is beyond pointless, and is in fact as the late George Carlin said, "bullshit". You choosing your slave masters is not freedom.

            [–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            AnCap here. I'm just waiting to see what will happen when the SNAP/EBT don't work, and the welfare payments won't buy shit 'cause the Chinese/Russians will only take gold.

            [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (14 children)

            I see the possibility of another outcome, one where marriage disappears.

            As women obtain more and more protected jobs and income, male resource provisioning will play an ever smaller role in mate choice. Many men will understand, as they always have, that the key to getting women is to simply develop the correct persona, money be damned. Given how hard it will be for them to make money, as women squeeze them out of the workplace, persona will be all they care about. These will become women's go to fun time options, but not marriage material. What could they bring to a marriage that the woman doesn't already get?

            Most of the other men will also get squeezed out of any meaningful employment but fail to develop the correct persona. These are not fun men. But, they bring no resources into the marriage equation either--by this point we'll have to have state mandated child care. Women can freeze their eggs and inseminate them whenever they want and bare children all on their timeline without a man or "closing windows of opportunity." They won't need a stay at home parent, the state will provide care and resources. These men will never get married.

            A few true over achieving men will rise to the top and have great jobs and great lives, but with marriage become the abnormality these same men will have grown up understanding that marriage just isn't what you do. Would women want to marry them? Absolutely, but these men won't make a commitment to one when they really can have them all, and again marriage is not the norm.

            Also, the wall will disappear. When child birth can be chosen at any time and mate selection is no longer an issue, these two factors, and their traditionally imposed biological limitations, will disappear. There will be no wall. There will simply be a number of choices for women for as long as they live.

            [–]scamper_22 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            yeah definitely. This is entirely possible. It might not even be that bad. IF you're a man and want a kid, adopt or a surrogate. The other day I saw in the paper about a gay man who wanted a kid and went to an Indian surrogate.

            Maybe marriage is dead and we all just have our own kids.

            [–]fittitthroway 4 points5 points  (7 children)

            Wait until increased automation comes. Then the real fun begins. Millions of vehicle based jobs are already on the cliff once Google, Mercedes, Toyota etc start producing automated smart cars. Google already has tens of thousands of miles of tests done with autonomous cars. Then you have automated check outs, retail etc in the pipeline. As the chinese curse goes, we're in for interesting times.

            [–]finalfantasybrownies 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            The time the egg is fertilized doesn't effect the DNA in the egg that makes women age like milk. That would take some DNA engineering of the distant future.

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            Not sure what you mean. If you're referring to the wall disappearing: it's because without having to use their rapidly diminishing youth to secure a provider to start a family their age doesn't matter. Husbands won't factor into women's timeline for childbirth, science will and it will greatly extend the time frame (the fact that the eggs might be less healthy likely won't be any more important to women then than it is now). We might see a trend towards younger mothers when husbands are no longer factored in. And, since women understand they won't be obtaining husbands, their youth becomes less important. Yes, they'll still have to lower the level of alpha they expect to attract as they age, but that will also be a slow process given how few options those lesser and non-alpha men looking for sex will have when they can no longer secure the BB role.

            Very likely you'll see an informal harem type dynamic with most people having multiple partners (wmoen in general having more partners then all but the very top men) none of whom cohabitate. The higher up the scale you are the higher your core number of primary, then secondary then tertiary, etc. partners and the greater your frequency of ONS as well. Lower down the scale you get fewer number of primary and maybe one or two secondary partners. Mid range will have people mainly progressing through a series of serial monogamy relationships with the occasional overlap. On the lower half of the scale you'll have greater and greater times between relationships until you enter the lowest reaches of the scale where your options will be similar to what is currently available to people at that place on the scale now.

            [–]SgtBrutalisk 22 points23 points  (1 child)

            This post aligns with a post I had published under the same title on RoK. Basically, become a jester who entertains women or opt out of dating scene altogether. Women simply don't need men as providers anymore.

            [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

            I don't like or would ever adopt the "jester" mentality

            I want to have a good time, so I do fun things for my own sake. Sometimes I want a beautiful woman there to be the garnish on my good time, or to have sex with after I'm done exploring/hiking/etc. They're more than glad to tag along with my action packed schedule than sit home bored. They get turned on watching me partake and by me forcing them out of their comfort zone. They will gladly fuck someone who makes their life fun and interesting.

            Fun, Interest & Mystery = High SMV. If you reek of high SMV they will do their best to raise their own. In their mind, they raise their own by fucking High SMV men. Be that High SMV man, not a Jester. End of Story.

            [–]FallenHighSchoolJock 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Hey, I just met you, (9/10 male model who I haven't shared two words with) And this is crazy, (no it's not) But here's my number, So call me, maybe!

            And all the other boys, (Sub 8 beta orbiters) Try to chase me, (stroke my ego) But here's my number, So call me, maybe!

            Hypergamy is everywhere.

            [–]TheFriendWithin 15 points16 points  (1 child)

            Society is a genuine tragedy. Humanity is capable of so much but its being squandered.

            It would be ignorant and naive to blame women, it is not exclusively their fault, but they are the catalyst for societys destruction.

            I only hope that some of the men from this forum have survived when its time to rebuild civilization.

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Lol. The majority of this forum is doing their best to ensure it goes down in flames.

            [–]Bibosas 18 points19 points  (11 children)

            Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmgF9OUWdQs

            Here we go! I present you: Tylor Swift – Style

            Midnight Come and pick me up. No headlights.

            Interpretation: There's really late and nobody's supposed to see us, but be careful I don't wanna look like a slut. I have to care about my reputation of a good girl.

            A long drive. Could end in burning flames or paradise.

            Interpretation: I don't know if I'm gonna fuck him. This is a long drive, because there's no drama like usually. Are you still alpha? We will see. I will shit test out of you.

            Fade into view. It's been a while since I have even heard from you. (Heard from you.)

            Interpretation: And here we go! Let's create some drama! Shit test!

            I should just tell you to leave 'cause... I know exactly where it leads, but...

            Interpretation: Shit test. But maybe you are still alpha, I'm gonna give you a chance...

            I watch us go 'round and 'round each time

            Interpretation: You treating me like a plate and I don't deserve this. I'm so special. And you don't even see this! (More drama!) (Look at the movement of her finger. Is that remind you something? Little plate :-) Hilarious!

            You got that James Dean daydream look in your eyes

            Interpretation: You look like a bad boy alpha with a possibility of making a lot of money in the future.

            And I got that red lip classic thing that you like.

            Interpretation: Look! Look! I would be a good wife! I not a slut! I'm so special! Just give me a chance.

            And when we go crashing down We come back every time

            Interpretation: Everytime when I create drama and shit test him, he always is giving me good alpha responses.

            'Cause we never go out of style.

            Interpretation:You so alpha I'm going to tell all my friends about you. They gonna be so envy! She's so proud of herself.

            We never go out of style

            Interpretation: Hamster marathon! (Wait for the wall, my dear. :)

            You got that long hair slicked back, white t-shirt.

            Interpretation: You got all the attributes of an alpha bad boy.

            And I got that good girl faith And tight little skirt.

            Interpretation: And for you I can play a good wife. You gonna see! Nobody gonna notice anything. I'm gonna ad value to your life by being your wife. And at night I'm gonna be only your slut. I'm gonna forget about thunder dick Chad and Big dick Brandon, and pure half hour of laying pipe Ricardo. I love you. I only care about you. They don't matter.

            And when we go crashing down We come back every time We never go out of style

            Interpretation: I'm gonna hamster as long as I can to pursue you, my alpha. Beta bux Rick gonna wait for me no matter what.

            So it goes

            Interpretation:So it begins.

            He can't keep his wild eyes on the road.

            Interpretation: He's work me over. I'm getting horny.

            Ooh, yeah.

            Interpretation: Yeah I'm 100% sure I'm wet.

            Takes me home

            Interpretation: Look how proud she is :-)

            Lights are off He's taking of his coat.

            Interpretation: There's a mood. Everything's in place. Fuck! There's nothing get drama for. He's ready to fuck me.

            I say I heard Oh, that you've been out and about with some other girl Some other girl

            Interpretation: Fake anger. Here we go again, an other shit test. You thought you gonna fuck me so easily? You gonna have to work me little bit more. Show me more how alpha you are!

            He says: What you heard is true
            But I can't stop thinking About you and I

            Interpretation: Look at his fucking guys frame, I just love this guy. He's brilliant. I'm 100 % sure she didn't come up with this herself. This is too goddamn brilliant.

            I said I've been there, too, a few times.

            Interpretation: Great answer, you are a master of shit tests. You can fuck me. Also I'm a slut too. You don't care and you never gonna shame me for it. You so alpha!

            We never go! (chorus: out of style) We never go! (chorus: out of style)

            Interpretation: Hamster is burning! I will never hit the wall. I'm so special!

            Take me home!

            Interpretation: Ok, you can fuck me!

            Just take me home!

            Interpretation: I'm ready, I can't wait. Just fuck me!

            Yeah

            Interpretation: Is that "yeah" is enough with this new "yes means yes" policy? :)

            Just take me home

            Interpretation: Come on, fuck me already! I'm so wet!

            'Cause we never go out of style. we never go out of style

            Interpretation: Don't worry, alpha, my hamster gonna explain everything to me. My hamster gonna find some value in me whoring :)

            Taylor Swift's songs are a vault for a RP information. Every her song.

            Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmgF9OUWdQs

            [–]rockerfeller_1696 7 points8 points  (1 child)

            It would be nice if there was a "Red Pill Rap Genius" for deciphering lyrics like these for our less-enlightened bretheren

            [–]Newdist2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Midnight Come and pick me up. No headlights.

            Translation: Don't wake up my parents.

            Taylor Swift is encouraging your underage daughters to be whores like herself.

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                [–]rztzz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I noted similar things in that songs, and most of the songs on her album, but interpretated the lyrics a bit differently than you.

                This is a FWB, alpha fucks situation. Therefore she must comment on his physical appearance. It's also a situation where his SMV is likely a little bit higher than hers, this could have been about the One Direction guy, and therefore he fades in and out with her but she's texting with other guys too so it hurts less. She makes this song to feign control and glorify her existence essentially as a plate.

                [–]NeoreactionSafe 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                Always remember that in this age you can "go your own way" and probably should most of the time.

                Sad to think we are reduced as men to the level of "entertainment" objects, but there is a lot of truth in this.

                The Whore of Babylon wears the Jewels:

                http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130425154153/villains/images/5/51/Whore_of_Babylon.jpg

                The opposite is "Barefoot and Pregnant":

                http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/cherries-in-the-snow/pinups/housework12.jpg

                ...which do you prefer?

                [–]alfred_e_nooman 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                An additional note to point out was that although the OP says that the first and second wave feminism might have been a good thing, an often omitted fact was that women before that time were completely content with their relationship arrangements. They were not concerned with voting or any of the other political activities that they saw were boring, complicated and better left to the devices of men.

                While she felt comfortable being subordinate to her husband, at least she had power over other lesser human beings to do her bidding in the form of slaves. First wave feminism is arose as a response to the abolition of slavery which happened around the same period (1865 onwards) because white women found it incredibly offensive that a black man whom they consider subhuman had more rights to property and freedom than herself.

                Feminism was hardly a movement for equal rights for women but was more of a movement to try to grab what power was taken away from them. Slaves were taken away from them and they demanded compensation for the right to manipulate the government in the form of voting. Now, they've stumbled on an untapped source of power in the form of government provisions and the force of law to effectively create new slaves in the form of alimony and child support. Not only can they re-enslave black men again, but all men and all taxpayers. It's so incredibly insidious and now people have grown to accept it.

                [–]Patranus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                Or if she knows who the father is, she can have the kid if she wants it, and the government will take a portion of his paycheck and send it to her. That portion isn’t based on her expenses.

                In todays society she doesn't even need to know who the father is, she can just find a middle-class chump and put his name on the birth certificate and they are screwed for 18 years.

                But for them, your job isn’t to be hard-working and responsible. They want to have fun.

                Yes/No.

                If you are looking at the 18-32 year old, yes, they want to have fun. Then they turn around and and chase men who are hard working and responsible after years of blowing those guys off.

                [–]vakerr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                if we don’t have a war or something else significant to shock the world in the interim, in another decade or two, one-sided poly marriages will be a somewhat common thing. Sexless men who are just happy to have a wife, marrying women who are free to go fuck whoever they want. Because trying to use marriage to own and control women is a patriarchal relic from the past.

                No matriarchy ever survived long term in history. If the west continues on this path it'll be overrun by people who don't subscribe to the feminist/progressive nonsense.

                [–]Bocaj6487 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                There is no good wave of feminism. From the courtly love movement to women's suffrage and beyond, the female imperative has been bad for humanity. Consult the wisdom of our forefathers

                [–]fittitthroway 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                Goes all the way back to Rome empire and more. It's insane.

                [–]TomilloDanup 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                This is so cool to read. It's like "back to basics".

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                My question is, how can we combat feminism? I've known it's bullshit for a while, recently started reading TRP. I'm in college and there's lots of feminists here, even one of my professors has us read feminist articles and makes us write journals on our opinions of them. If we don't agree with her, we fail. So I just play her game and spout the bullshit nonsense she wants for the grade.

                What is the way for men to counter this? It's depressing to see so many brainwashed men just accepting feminism for whatever demand they have next. What do we do? On a day-to-day basis, dealing with these people is becoming frustrating. I don't think the media would have ANY interest in men's rights, unfortunately. I think we're going to hit rock bottom as a gender. Hell, we're already close to it. The tables have almost completely turned.

                [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                You don't combat feminism or try to change the world.

                The rules changed on us. The Red Pill is about learning the new rules and accepting them - how things really work, not the politically correct version, not how we wish things were or how they ought to be, not what girls tell you. How things really work. And we say it out loud even if the truth is offensive. Even if everyone else will deny it and call us crazy and misogynistic.

                Then, we explore ways of being successful, sexually and otherwise, under the new regime. We're not out to change anything, more to succeed despite how things are.

                [–]Mac2TheFuture 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                And women would call this claim discriminating, sexist, and mysoginist despite it being absolutely true. The fact that TRP offends people is a good thing, because that means it's probably true. The difference between being 'insulted' and 'offended' is that being offended means denying truth to avoid enlightenment for blissfully ignorant minds.

                [–]1kingofpoplives 22 points23 points  (39 children)

                First-wave feminism was awesome. Women needed to be able to vote and own property and not be second-class citizens.

                False.

                It should be obvious that the problems created by second and third wave feminism were only made possible by the success of the first wave.

                I'm sorry bud, but you can't have it both ways.

                You can't claim feminism was good, but then it went bad.

                It was always bad. It always wanted to subvert the patriarchy, and through that, destroy civilization itself.

                You have to understand that leftism is a ratchet. First they ask for one thing, it sounds innocuous enough, so you give it to them. Then they ask for another, and another. They keep pushing for more and more and never give an inch in the other direction. Once they gain critical mass and take power, they really start putting the screws to the opposition (read: SJWs). This is how we find ourselves in our present predicament.

                [–]arrayay 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                Glad I'm not the only one who caught that.

                If you don't see the issue with this statement, go back and reread "The Manipulated Man" in the sidebar material. Men have always had it worse than women, we are the disposable gender.

                [–]A419a 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The ones who disagree just never looked down. And they never intend to. Yells about glass ceiling while refusing to recognize the much larger glass cellar.

                [–]guy_from_the_thing 21 points22 points  (21 children)

                Do you think we'd be better off if they were not allowed to vote?

                I never thought I'd actually consider it. The more RP my worldview has become, the less crazy it actually sounds. Although saying anything like that in public will get you skewered.

                [–]scamper_22 20 points21 points  (4 children)

                Well it actually is a good question.

                As the Middle East is teaching some people right now, democracy means nothing if you don't change the mind set of the people. If all democracy means is me Sunni, you Shia, me vote Sunni, you vote Shia. Life not good. We go war... well that democracy is pretty meaningless. Or in the case of some people... me want money, government give me money, I get money.

                It's the same with voting. Women got the right to vote BEFORE having to do anything or change their mindset. As the obvious contradiction arose. When women got the right to vote, they really had no responsibilities outside of well... having children and staying home. Politically, they couldn't be drafted into war and sent to die. Culturally, they were not expected to support themselves.

                Democracy is a pretty decent form of government, but it also needs democratic citizens, democratic culture, strong judiciary... to be effective.

                But whatever, politics has always been pretty screwed up. If it's not women controlling politics, its bankers, corporations, government unions, military... whatever.

                Most of this would not even be a problem if men actually saw was happening and grew a spine... well we now have the RP, but I mean where has it been for the past 60 years. Not in terms of stopping politics, but just in terms of teaching men. Where was every father telling their son, don't get married or teaching them this RP stuff?

                Even here at times, we have men telling other men to screw over other men or laughing at BP guys. Well congrats, that's not very productive now is it.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                I think one of the best things we can do to start fixing the problem is having senators send appointed by state legislatures, not elected. I think politicians that don't have to campaign will be more effective.

                [–]Newdist2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                To the extent that democracy works at all, it works with a single cohesive population has a common interest, but legitimate disagreements about how to advance their common interest.

                However, all too often you have competing groups voting to extract resources from each other. Ben Franklin's old adage of the wolves and the sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

                [–]Endorsed Contributorzyk0s 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                Do you think we'd be better off if they were not allowed to vote?

                If you think about it for a bit, this is the wrong question to ask. OP's proposition was that "women needed to be able to vote". We don't know what would have happened if they didn't get the vote and all else stayed the same, how our technological progress, trends and fashions would have shaped politics then. It's foolish to speculate, even more so to qualify as "better" or "worse".

                No, the real question was, was there really a need? No, it was a luxury, only afforded because it was a time of relative peace and prosperity. If there had been a famine going around, how many women do you think would have joined the suffragettes, and how many would have shut their pretty mouth and tried to secure a husband so they could be assured provision? Contrast this with the French Revolution, that was brought about because times were hard for the common folk. Allowing the people to vote was a need because the French society was about to collapse. Women's suffrage came about because wealthy and well educated women got bored, and like a petulant child, asked "what about me? It's not fair", not realizing how coddled they were.

                [–]zephyrprime 27 points28 points  (3 children)

                I definitely think so. We would be better off if women were not allowed to vote. Women always vote in wealth redistribution and welfare for themselves. 10 out of 11 welfare recipients are women and their children. Basically, women vote in laws that put men into tax servitude. For some of them, that money will be going to women that wouldn't give them the time of day and for children they will never be able to have. Sure, there aren't a whole lot of guys like this...YET. Unfortunately, this is the direction society is moving in.

                [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 20 points21 points  (1 child)

                10 out of 11 welfare recipients are women and their children.

                I figured it was bad, but not that bad. Is there a source for this figure?

                [–]RedMorpheus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Stanford study, source: Female-Headed Households and the Welfare System

                TL;DR; Women with children are the overwhelming majority among the beneficiaries of the main "means tested" income maintenance programs, such as AFDC, food stamps, and Medicaid..

                [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                And the most ironic thing is that all of those career-minded progressive feminist women that are postponing childbirth are subsidizing through taxes the unemployed and low-income women having many children. Ultimately, feminism is demographically unsustainable and feminists will over the long run breed themselves out of existence, since the traditionalists/RP cultures always have superior demographics.

                You just can't beat the natural order.

                [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                IMO, nobody should be allowed to vote if they're on the dole and/or don't have skin in the game as people are selfish fucks. It should surprise no one that women voted more more more for themselves the moment they got the vote.

                Furthermore, back then women consumed resources rather than produced them, in large part because of the limited jobs available to them for a couple generations. Men on the other hand were the opposite in the grand sceme of things. Complicating matters is how same-group preference works: women have it and men do not, plus men actually prefer women over their fellow men. Toss it all into a pot and stir and you get why women have gotten just about everything they ever asked for and why the historic expansion of govt spending is in lock step with women's suffrage.

                [–]1kingofpoplives 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                Do you think we'd be better off if they were not allowed to vote?

                Oh god, yes. Things have only gotten worse since they extended the franchise beyond land owning males.

                Women just can't be in charge of society. They don't think far enough into the future and allow emotions to corrupt their decision making. This is just the truth of their nature.

                Although saying anything like that in public will get you skewered.

                Ain't that the truth.

                [–]Tom_The_Human 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Do you think we'd be better off if they were not allowed to vote?

                Tbh, I think most people shouldn't be allowed to vote, as I don't want my life decided by millions of idiots. I think that only the ~80th percentile and higher should be allowed to vote.

                [–]BrunoOh 9 points10 points  (4 children)

                I'd rather have voting rights based on how much tax you pay. That way male leeches are excluded as well, and it won't be a gender specific law. Democracy works better when voters have a stake in the game.

                [–]RPenetrate 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                I'm not sure if your comment is intended to be ironic, but that's not Democracy. What you're describing is a kind of Plutocracy.

                [–]guy_from_the_thing 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                that's tricky. I prefer a combination of being a net tax contributor, plus some kind of exam you have to pass to vote. Topics should include civics, math (compound interest function a must), logic, reading comprehension.

                if it's based on the amount you pay, the rich would have a disproportionate influence, even though they'd vote to lower their own taxes, they'd still end up paying more and having more influence. I know they already have a disproportionate influence as of now anyway lol.

                [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                I wonder about that. Female voters outnumber male voters. The gender gap was 10 percent in women's favor in 1996.

                Going to the polling place during peak (after work) hours is a hassle. If you don't work or work a part time or flexible schedule (more women than men), you can show up at alternate times, early polling locations, etc.

                Plus, a lot of the men that vote do what their wives do. They're busy working all day and haven't researched the issues or the candidates. So the woman tells her husband who to vote for.

                Pandering to female voters is essential nowadays.

                [–]mr_willz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Define 'better off', I mean it's an interesting thought but in my mind that is completely irrelevant to whether they should be allowed to vote. Then you have to ask yourself, who should be allowed to vote? There are a lot of dumb idiot men out there too.

                [–]mr_willz 3 points4 points  (13 children)

                I'm sorry bud, but you can't have it both ways.

                You can't claim feminism was good, but then it went bad.

                Incorrect, balance is a thing.

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                  [–]tallwheel 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Women have all the rights and none of the responsibilities.

                  It was that way with the first wave too, though. Women wanted the vote, but only as long as they still didn't have to sign up for selective service.

                  [–]1kingofpoplives 13 points14 points  (5 children)

                  Yea... except not when it comes to granting voting rights to half the population.

                  Can you please tell me sir, in which direction women voted with their newly acquired voting rights?

                  Spoiler: for more and more feminist shit.

                  [–]Godtiermasturbator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Bravo. As they say on one of my favorite sites, "fukkin saved".

                  [–]Shankar_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Sooo true and beautifully written

                  [–]FrameWalker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  You young guys out there need to work harder than ever, for you. Get your awesome life in gear, for you, so when this bubble bursts, you’re on top. But on your down time, ride this third wave of slutty feminism as far as it can take you. Look hot, smile, be fun, and abdicate all appearances of work, responsibility, or love. Entertain them. Perform like a monkey. Stick your dick in them. Laugh at them inside your head. Then go home and keep working on that awesome life you’re building. It’ll be our secret.

                  Thanks for the inspiration arch. It's crazy how many little tells they give you about being a slut, using you for sex, seeing other men on the side. I was so blind before. I'll play nice and enjoy the sex, but it'll be a long time before one will lock me down.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  A lot of excellent points made here however I disagree as far as where feminism is going. I believe we are at the peak currently. Their own gender is starting to turn on them and well from my own stand point I have a hard time seeing society stomaching much more anyway.

                  [–]TomHicks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  First-wave feminism was awesome. Women needed to be able to vote and own property and not be second-class citizens.

                  ehhhhh they started the white feather movement. Bunch of fucking cunts

                  [–]Vietnom 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  I think a lot of what you're saying is pretty crazy, but the paragraph about one-sided poly marriages caught my eye.

                  My dad is friends with a family that matches that description. The woman is a powerful, semi-attractive professor at a major U.S. university. She has a husband, an older man, who is a rich lawyer, and pays for their megamansion. She also has a younger man who is her lover. They don't quite declare it publicly, but it's incredibly obvious. The three of them all "pitch in" to raise the child. The woman sort of tried to pull my dad into the mix and he was like "no thanks."

                  [–]SportingCP21 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Come on now these arrangements are very rare. I don't see this becoming a thing. Theres about 1% of the US population that practice polyamory. That dude is obviously a beta cuckold for allowing his wife to bitch him like that.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  He's got money too? Certainly enough to hire someone to make people start falling on knives 20 times?

                  [–]SportingCP21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  One sided poly relationships? The fuck are you serious, polyamory is about 1% of the American population why the fuck do you think it will be the majority in years to come?

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I feel like women argue two things. "leave me alone!" and "you're not a man!"

                  I have such a head rush from the cognitive dissonance. I'm a man, im not a jerk. But if you want a jerk, i can help. However, once you get said jerk, don't go around complaining that he never lets you see your friends or go out, or do anything fun. don't bitch and whine about the fact that you feel like he owns you. Cuz you know what? At the end of the day, he does own you. As sexist and evil as that sounds. It will always be true.

                  [–]THX138 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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                  [–]alpha_n3rd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  like it or not every line in a song has been carefully crafted for subliminal messages. you have reminded me that there are many songs that i want to pull apart in red pill postings. upvoted

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  If he’s ever a dime short, he goes to jail.

                  I live in Brazil and here the law system is fucked up, inefficient and slow, but if there's one thing that's very effective and sends you to jail faster than you can say "Red Pill" is failing to pay alimony/child support.

                  [–]ghaenrynquau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  And what's most fun? To be having sex and looking at a good looking guy of course. So we can come to the conclusion that men's good looks (good genes) are the most important thing for women right now. How can I improve my physical attractiveness? Plastic surgery? Platform shoes?

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