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ScienceThe truth about circumcision (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1-Fidelio-

The truth about circumcision is simple. There are practically no benefits and there is a very long list of harms being done by circumcision.

Okay we're done here. Right? No? You have some questions and comments? You want to figure out whether I'm full of shit or not? Okay let's get into this.

Male Sexual Health

Eric Clopper was recently fired from Harvard for trying to expose the truths about circumcision. I've been interested and aware of some of the related facts and this seems like a good time to spread more awareness about what circumcision is and what it isn't.

I know that a lot of people from the united states are circumcised and I understand that this is a very sensitive and personal issue. But also, fuck your feelings. You deserve the truth and to do with that as you want. If you are circumcised and never looked into this, this may make you angry. Do not be alarmed, that only means you are still sane.

Which men get circumcised?

Men who get circumcised as babies typically come from these cultures:

  • Jewish
  • Muslim
  • African
  • American
  • South Korean
  • Philipines
  • Australian
  • Canada

If it doesn't meet one of the above, the chance of being circumcised as baby are less than 10%

See chart: https://imgur.com/a/vCZ2BlH

Is information about circumcision readily available?

Recently someone got fired from harvard for trying to bring to light the scientific data that is known about circumcision. This jewish man is being accused of being an anti-semite for it. Judge for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCuy163srRc

Didn't circumcision start for health and hygienic reasons?

Depends on which start you mean. South korea started circumcision 50 years ago, exactly when the United States practically took control over their country post 2nd world war.

The United States started circumcision 90 years ago, when Kellogg (yes from the breakfast) found that circumcision was the best way to reduce masturbation and that despite the harm that circumcision did, the reduction to masturbation was worth it.

Jewish circumcision goes back to ancient egypt about 4000 years. About this circumcision, revered jewish scholar Maimonides wrote:

Similarly with regard to circumcision, one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible. It has been thought that circumcision perfects what is defective congenitally. This gave the possibility to everyone to raise an objection and to say: How can natural things be defective so that they need to be perfected from outside, all the more because we know how useful the foreskin is for that member? In fact this commandment has not been prescribed with a view to perfecting what is defective congenitally, but to perfecting what is defective morally. The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision. None of the activities necessary for the preservation of the individual is harmed thereby, nor is procreation rendered impossible, but violent concupiscence and lust that goes beyond what is needed are diminished. The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable. For if at birth this member has been made to bleed and has had its covering taken away from it, it must indubitably be weakened. The Sages, may their memory be blessed, have explicitly stated: It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate from him. In my opinion this is the strongest of the reasons for circumcision.

or Philo Judaeus:

circumcision is a symbol of two things necessary to our well being 1) the excision of sexual pleasure and 2) to check a man's pride

Okay but it prevents diseases and is more hygienic right?

There is more than little reason to think that this is through fraudulent studies and exaggeration.

So what are the supposed health benefits?

Prevention of:

  • urinary tract infections
  • penile cancer
  • STD's (including HIV)

It takes 100 circumcisions to prevent 1 urinary tract infection (which is easily treated with antibiotics anyways)

It takes between 922-322000 circumcisions to prevent 1 case of penile cancer. (Penile cancer only happens to elderly men and is so rare that they have no idea whether it's 922 or 322000. They have no idea!)

There are deep flaws in the studies about HIV reduction. Studies where rates of circumcised men with HIV were higher were prematurely terminated. They only taught the circumcised group how to use condoms. Many more flaws, see source below.

source: https://youtu.be/FCuy163srRc?t=3934

What does the foreskin do?

Sexual:

  1. Provides MAJORITY of male sexual pleasure (densest nerve endings anywhere on the human body, denser than in the clitoris)

  2. Acts as a rolling bearing in masturbation and intercourse

  3. Prevents dyspareunia (painful sex)

  4. Stimulates partner's genitals (6 out of 7 women report preferring uncircumcised men)

  5. Supplies skin to cover shaft and prevents tightness during erections

  6. Stores pheromones and releases them during arousal

  7. Stores, releases and helps distribute natural lubricants

  8. Provides seal against vaginal wall to contain partner's sex fluids

  9. Makes the glans a visual sign of arousal

Protective:

  1. Protects glans from being keratinized. Keeps them soft and moist.

  2. Protects glans from injury

  3. Protects nerves of glans

  4. Protects against contamination, especially during infancy, and against meatal stenosis as adult

  5. Provides lysosomes bacteriostatic action around the glans

  6. Pigmented - protects unpigmented glans from sunburns

  7. Vascular - protects less vascular glans from frostbite

Other:

  1. Embryologically guides formation of end of penis and urethera

  2. Contributes mass, size and girth

https://youtu.be/FCuy163srRc?t=3179

What's the harm of circumcising a penis?

Well besides removing the most sensitive part of a man's body (it has 10,000 - 20,000 nerve endings. The clitoris has 8000 nerve endings. As the huge disparity should tell you between 10,000 and 20,000 is that this is poorly known and hasn't been studied for 50 years) and losing all the functions described above, there is also deep psychological harm done by circumcisions.

  • There is a 51% chance for kids to meet PTSD diagnosis if they've been circumcised. (Iraq war veterans have 20% incidence of PTSD)
  • It changes the brain permanently and irreversably. (higher anxiety, hyperactivity, attention problems, mood disorders)
  • A study by Lander and colleagues (1997) about circumcision without anesthetics (which is not uncommon in practice) had to be stopped because babies began choking or even had seizures from the pain. The post operative pain of infants is severe and persistent.

Source:

http://archive.is/dqOsX

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/moral-landscapes/201501/circumcision-s-psychological-damage

Any physical harm?

Like with any surgery, there is a chance for complications. Death is relatively rare, about a 100 per year in the United states (babies circumcised is about a million per year, rough estimate by yours truly).

But there is no legal requirement to record harm done by complications as a result of circumcisions. This should raise immediate alarm bells. It even seems to be the case that some deaths that might well be as a result of circumcision are reported as SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome). An expert I've talked to estimated that to be about 100 of the 1500 yearly SIDS to be as a result of circumcision, but I have not yet had a chance to talk about the data with him and I have not been able to verify that claim.

We simply don't know. We don't record the complications of circumcision.

What happens with collected foreskins

They get sold for profit by the hospital for various uses, cosmetics among others.

What this should mean for redpill men

Don't circumcise your sons. Be aware, in the united states in rare occasions, circumcision happens without parent's consent.

Foreskin regeneration is being researched, but probably 16 years from being available (foregen is researching this by using stem cells from your own body).

If you're patient, there are many who can with patient stretch their surrounding skin into becoming a kind of pseudo-foreskin, getting about a third of the benefits from an original foreskin. This is a long process, but the people I've heard from that have done it are quite positive about it and report better sexual experience. This is just anecdotal data though, I should study this more. It might be something you want to look into and if anyone knows more, please share.

And if you're not circumcised and you're considering it... best not to do it if you value your and your partner's sexual pleasure.

Conclusion

Male sexual health is a very understudied subject as the summary above should tell you. Fuck the people that censor and perpetuate this crime against boys.

Cutting of the female genitals is highly stigmatized and illegal while cutting a male's genitals is done for profit, encouraged and is fully legal.

Edit: I crossed out "(6 out of 7 women report preferring uncircumcised men)" because it was correctly pointed out that this is from a study with a tainted sample. It was an addition I made to Eric Clopper's work and it was a mistake on my part. One of the studies that Clopper bases the fact that both men and women report more difficulty to orgasm when the male is circumcised is this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947


[–]Hailteni NaHalitenina[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (21 children)

I approved this post because the OP attempted to provide some kind of evidence rather than just make wild claims. His "sources" aren't legitimate enough to arrive at any kind of definitive conclusion, but it's a good way to kick off the discussion.

Leave your blind opinions out of this. I expect you to have some kind of evidence, if only anecdotal, in your response.

What happens with collected foreskins

They get sold for profit by the hospital for various uses, cosmetics among others.

I am going to need to see some kind of source on this, though.

[–]nordicpolarbear 123 points124 points  (31 children)

Thanks for all this great information. This reinforces my decision to not have my son circumcised. So happy for him as I am circumcised and wish that I wasn’t.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat[🍰] 158 points159 points  (13 children)

I hate the way feminists always belittle the importance of this. It's like a litmus test of their true feelings about men... ("A man thing? Oh that's not important...")

Great post, very solid, and I totally agree.

I am circumcised because when I was born in Australia in the 60's it was done for all boys automatically.

But my son is not. Problems? He got an infection when he was two. We bought some medicine and it was gone in a week. Zero problems since then. He's nine now.

I think circumcision is abuse of boys, just as clitoridectomy and infibulation are for girls.

Sadly there's religion and custom involved and it probably won't be until the old guard dies (and I'm in my 50's myself) that our culture will accept the truth - because truth it is.

"it's more hygienic" is as much nonsense at the idea that masturbation sent you blind. And as for the "benefit" of reducing masturbation, masturbation is actually good for you (and your sperm quality)

This old nonsense needs to die.

[–]elucubra 72 points73 points  (2 children)

Uncut here. Hygienic? Fuck! Just wash it. What about women? Their labia are all folds. Washing isn't that hard.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat[🍰] 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Good comment!

We don't live in tribes in the desert any more. We have access to showers and baths.

Get rid of outdated laws and customs.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah man. 80%of the humans on this planet are retarded. You cant tell right away by looking at them,but they are. It's really something to be aware of. Could be your doctor. It could be your lawyer,sadly. 80% bro. Watch out.

[–]roosterinflight 44 points45 points  (6 children)

It's the Jews who perpetuate it.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat[🍰] 28 points29 points  (4 children)

I definitely think that's part of it. Wasn't Germany considering making it illegal about a year ago but there was such a huge outcry from Jews that they relented?

(Could be wrong on this, just a vague recall...)

[–]1-Fidelio-[S] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

No you're right. This happened in 2012. They realised it was illegal based on the fact that it was damaging when no medical necessity for it. It took the jewish lobby only 3 months to get it back legalised and was done so for "religious tolerance".

Take note americans that when it came to court, they did not argue on the basis of any medical benefits, because they knew they would lose that argument. They argued on the basis of religious custom.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep that's the one. Thanks.

[–]RagnarOlson 20 points21 points  (0 children)

If WW2 had gone their way they would've outlawed it 60 years ago.

[–]roosterinflight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Jews don't practice female circumcision, but do so with males. One of those non-medical procedures is accepted, the other is outrage.

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[–]3rdtimethecharm67 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I was 13 when my nephew returned home from the hospital after circumcision. It was readily apparent that he was deeply traumatized and despondent. I did not circumcise my son, not my choice.

[–]HonestyOverCivility 322 points323 points  (24 children)

Remove parts of Male Genitals: β€œCircumcision”

Remove parts of Female Genitals: Female Genital Mutilation!

The fact that men are getting fucked on this is baked right into the wording. Regardless of whether you like the end result or not, the reality that this is being performed on unconsenting infants is reprehensible.

To anyone who is on the fence about this or is pro-circumcision, go find a video of one being performed; I guarantee it’ll change your mind

[–]RoninUnderground 76 points77 points  (2 children)

To anyone who is on the fence about this or is pro-circumcision, go find a video of one being performed; I guarantee it’ll change your mind

Well, maybe. I was personally present for one when I was in middle school shadowing a surgeon, but I've always been pretty desensitized and detached. Looking back though I remember all the signs of extreme distress in that baby boy, he was in absolute pain and terror and there is no way that can be positive for a person all for an elective procedure. Do not fucking do this to your kids unless you absolutely must. I had a finger amputated under just local anesthetic a few years ago. It was excruciating. I've no doubts that severing a part of you that's packed with more nerve endings than anywhere else in the body would hurt as much or more, and sometimes they don't even anesthetize.

[–]1-Fidelio-[S] 86 points87 points  (6 children)

Someone recently said it quite well to me:

Female circumcision is unacceptable, taboo and illegal. Male circumcision is encouraged, for profit and fully legal.

[–]Prophets_Prey 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Exactly. We should let the children decide themselves if they want to get circumcised. When they're old enough to understand the repercussions of their decision, then they'll choose. It's not fair to have that choice taken from them.

[–]DwightWolftail 132 points133 points  (26 children)

I never got why they circumcise babies in the USA. And as a child, it seemed pretty disturbing. Not from a visual POV, but from a physical one. When I was a child, it was really irritable for me to touch the head without the foreskin. As you said, it also helps with masturbation, because you can also roll the head. Apart from that, my LTR goes absolutely crazy when I mop her clitoris with my foreskin...

It is really a matter of common sense...

[–]joner888 50 points51 points  (5 children)

Jewish Influence ? Might be the reason. In Europe it's extremely rare to get circumcised unless you have something wrong with your pee pee.

[–]RedHeimdall 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Bingo. I want reparations from Israel for the theft of my foreskin!

[–]joner888 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well they have been getting generations for WW2 since 1946 even "2nd generation" holocaust survivors

[–]I_BET_UR_MAD 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Israel is extremely influential in US politics but idk if it's reach extends to circumcision. Most of it is Kellogg imo

[–]hivemond 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I never got why they circumcise babies in the USA.

Jewish Influence ?

No, more like conservative Chritian influence combined with pseudoscience. Dr Kellogg was heavily involved in the Seventh Day Adventist church and pursued a lot of crazy theories. We can pretty much blame American circumcision on him.

He's also the creator of Kellogg's Corn Flakes which is pretty much where "junk food" breakfast cereals got their start.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg

[–]RoninUnderground 81 points82 points  (5 children)

It is really a matter of common sense...

It should be, but bring it up in a public forum here and all you get is screeching about hygiene, cultural norms, and appearance. Almost no one here who supports the practice gives a fuck that it's not actually necessary and therefore deeply violates the child, especially most men who were themselves cut.

[–]FreyWill 40 points41 points  (4 children)

That’s because no one wants to admit they might have a mutilated penis.

[–]RoninUnderground 19 points20 points  (2 children)

For many of the men, yes. The women, hell, the stated reasons vary wildly. Pretty sure I've even seen fringe feminists praise the practice as the first installment of reparations for the original sin of being male.

[–]FreyWill 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Of course women will jump to appearance. We’re just an accessory to them anyway.

[–]stevemunoz117 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This right here. It really is a bitter pill to swallow knowing they were cut for no good reason. They grew up in this big lie and they can’t accept it.

[–]deville05 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Mop her clitoris with my foreskin is the best description lol

[–]FloorBufferOverflow 14 points15 points  (2 children)

"mop her clitoris with my foreskin"

I'm sure this isn't the first time you've heard this, but ... thanks for the tip

[–]JBo4Three 8 points9 points  (0 children)

β€œThanks for the tip”. I’m dying.

[–]DwightWolftail 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You're welcome lol. The copyrights are all mine. First time written in the english language though.

[–]pisspoordecisions 21 points22 points  (7 children)

What’s annoying now is most US females find uncircumcised dicks gross

[–]DwightWolftail 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Really ? Well, I suppose it has to do with how rare it is ..

[–]RisingTideXIII 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Literally have had a woman talk shot about uncut docks , and then eventually deepthroat my uncut dick sometime later.

We know women will say whatever they have to in the moment, but what they do is what matter

[–]pisspoordecisions 10 points11 points  (2 children)

My girlfriend and I got in a tif about it cause I told her I’m not circumcising my son if we ever have one - she went and asked all her friends their opinion and they all agreed with her. Except the one in med school for PT, who understands there’s not much benefit to it and told them it’s just aesthetics.

[–]stevemunoz117 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They’re just as ignorant and uneducated on the subject like men. They’ve been fed a lie their whole lives.

[–]HannibalBacara 49 points50 points  (2 children)

Not salty about myself being circumcised (can’t do anything about it now and I’ve had plenty of women compliment me on β€œmy looks”), but this shit gotta stop. Literally the exact same thing as female genital mutilation but seen in an entirely different light.

[–]thomascoopers 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Honestly, that's why it's almost more dangerous - male genital mutilation is still seen as socially acceptable to a frightening amount of people.

My good friend is dating a staunch feminist and she sees no issue with MGM. But she's a decent 9/10, so.

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[–]1-Fidelio-[S] 91 points92 points  (6 children)

Stay on top of your game when your son is born too

Good advice.

I've read stories, like for example where a doctor will circumcise the moment the mother went to the bathroom despite repeatedly saying that she didn't want it. Is it possible those stories are made up? Yes. Better safe than sorry, though.

[–]FreeRadical5 50 points51 points  (5 children)

That's how you get a dead doctor.

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Murders go unsolved at an alarming rate.

[–]Prophets_Prey 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Just another suicide I guess.

[–]Your_Coke_Dealer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Doctors have a very high suicide rate I hear

[–]YerubediahRosenbaum 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Sounds like a textbook case of Sudden Doctor Death Syndrome.

[–]Theguygotgame777 117 points118 points  (22 children)

I thought I was missing nothing by being circumcised. This is pretty fucked up.

[–]MoDuReddit 72 points73 points  (1 child)

The Redpill of truth is never easy to swallow.

[–]eyewant 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Im glad this redpill is finally being posted on this sub. I posted it a few years back and circumcised copers didnt want to accept that they had been damaged.

[–]1-Fidelio-[S] 38 points39 points  (15 children)

Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, mate.

[–]Reliiq 14 points15 points  (5 children)

Bad news? Im one of those that got cut because medical reasons, I never had any problem with being cut and yes it looks better that having a foreskin. You make a point about not allowing boys to be cut just because its a fucking ritual, but there are others that might benefit from it, its never just white and black.

[–]meateatercat 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Speaking as someone who was cut by some Jewish butcher, you only think it looks better because you don't want buyers remorse.

[–]KIZAN 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I got circumsized as a baby, I have no point of reference of how sensation non circurmized feels. As it was described, I feel jealous as it seems sex could be more pleasureable than I know it to be. It sucks but there’s nothing I can do about it.

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[–]KrustyKrabReject 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Were the healthcare workers pushy about it?

[–]allSmallThings 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Every day so-called "health care" bastards are pushing circumcision. Also see what's going on in the Philippines with young teenagers, and in Africa with the WHO. I've spoken with several parents about this and they were pressured, lied to, or manipulated, at a very vulnerable moment right after the birth.

Also watch out for pressure and guilt from family members. This is a sick obsession. The mutilation of children must stop.

www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

[–]allSmallThings 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Congratulations! Glad you stuck to your guns.

[–]Hass7771 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Damn this makes me feel annoyed, if I ever have a kid it'll be his choice when he's older

[–]MushroomTaco 79 points80 points  (6 children)

Nice one bruv. Routine infant circumcision is evil. Its a Red Pill in its own way. The practice in America was started by people who hated male sexuality so much they were willing to mutilate infants. And it continues because its a great way to scam a couple more bucks out of childbirth, and sell the foreskin for cosmetics. And nobody really gives a fuck.

There are no health benefits in 99.9% of cases. If you think it looks better or you really dont care about the thousands of lost nerve endings, go ahead and snip your shit. But dont force it on an infant.

[–]MoDuReddit 18 points19 points  (4 children)

sell the foreskin for cosmetics

That sounds really disgusting, is it really the case? I thought it was bad enough when I learned that Rabbis used to suck the blood of the infants when they cut their dicks.

[–]1-Fidelio-[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Yes, just google oprah + foreskin or cate blanchett + foreskin.

Alternatively go to the sticky at the top of these comments. I've placed a reply with some links.

[–]MushroomTaco 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Yep, its not common knowledge, but you can find articles about it on all the anticirc sites of course, but even cuck sites like Huffpo and Jezebel have written about it. And the sucking baby dicks thing hasnt gone away either. There was a baby a couple years ago in NYC who got herpes from it. Sick.

[–]F0rward- 8 points9 points  (0 children)

[–]newName543456 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Hygiene "argument" was always hilarious to me.

Like, motherfuckers, do you not know how to wash yourself?

[–]RoninUnderground 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Background: I was cut at birth like so many, I always thought this was a good thing, family always said this was the right way. I eventually dug into the topic like OP and completely changed my take on it.

So get this. When I presented some of this to an ex of mine while we were dating she got angry with me and claimed I was selfish for wanting to have had my bodily autonomy respected and wanting to experience sexual pleasure as nature intended. She was never that bright though. edit: Case in point she never could grasp how I could detest that it was done to me but not hate my penis. Am I a man or aren't I? A man does the best fucking he can with what he's got.

Don't be stupid. Don't ignore this. Exercise due diligence and research, no one can make you reach the same conclusion, but we can present you with new information and if you're really red pill then you'll critically assess its validity and implications.

[–]Pokeylaw 11 points12 points  (0 children)

When I have my son I'm making sure he's not circumcised there's no reason to do it.

[–]xNightly 57 points58 points  (7 children)

I was circumcised when I was a baby. Is this shit for real? Kinda makes me pissed off with my parents.

[–]1-Fidelio-[S] 49 points50 points  (4 children)

They might have been misinformed by a doctor. It was hard to find out these kind of things pre-internet. You might want to talk with them and find out their choices before judging them.

[–]xNightly 29 points30 points  (3 children)

I was circumcised due to religion (Islam). Won't lie, I've never had an issue with it to this day but if what you mentioned above is true, especially the sensitivity part, it kind of makes me feel like I've missed out.

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    [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

    This. Don't talk yourself into problems if you're not experiencing any with it. Just break the cycle.

    [–]iqbal002 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Me too got cut due to religion(Islam) but now I m thinking of ways to save my son !

    [–]deville05 19 points20 points  (1 child)

    Don't be.. the info is only jsut coming out. It will take another 20-30 years to change minds. Your parents are just doing what they know

    [–]midnightreider 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Exactly. This post created some brief resentment with my parents but then I remember when I was a kid my father telling me I was circumcised and that the doctors really pushed it when I was born. My parents didn’t know better.

    [–]Psypherus 25 points26 points  (2 children)

    Evolution hasn't left us any extra bits that aren't beneficial in some way. Even the appendix has been shown in recent years to have a role in maintaining the gut biome.

    [–]djh860 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    When they do it to girls it’s called mutilation

    [–]jontycampbell 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    If the Prepuce is 'just a piece of skin' (it isn't), and was useless to Neuropsychosexual and mechanical functioning, it would have evolved away in earlier species of Homo.

    It is truly a wonder of natural selection, providing an array of sensory, mechanical and urinary assistance functioning:

    - Prevents infections entering the urinary meatus- Contains yards of sensory nerves and capillary beds, thousands of sense organs -Meissner's corpuscles- that detect pressure, stretching forces that provide neurological feedback on the optimal moment for ejaculation.- scoops competitor sperm deposits away and lubricant up the shaft by rolling over the glans on the start of the upstroke, thus trapping some in the coronal space -Provides tube-like directionality and a kind of 'suppressor', as it were to high pressure flow exiting the urinary meatus.

    Ingenious, huh?

    [–]DesperateChemical 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Don't cut up your sons' dicks.

    [–]tiger_stu 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    I am English where is is not the done thing. I told the nurses in the Hospital (in NY) when my wife was giving birth that if anyone went near my son and tried to circumsize him there would be hell to pay.

    My wife was worried he would be 'different' at school. Yes, he is different. As in not mutilated for no reason.

    I have never regretted it for a second. It is a barbaric act that needs to be banned.

    [–]ELEPHANTIUSCOCKIUS 30 points31 points  (2 children)

    Interesting stuff! Thanks for including Canada in your list too, usually gets lumped into the states. Circumcision is and odd scenario in regards to the social implications. I know a few guys that are uncircumcised, while the majority including myself are. The guys with a foreskin are usually teased a fair amount about it, and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t part of that at sometime. Even though the benefits are in the favour of the uncircumcised, the majority will try and diminish it.

    Another fact I think is over looked but they you touched on a bit is the psychological impact of the actual procedure. The entire hospital birth process is supposedly an disruptive and harsh process for a newborn. I imagine mutilating the genitals has a lasting impact, even if we aren’t able to recall the specific memory.

    [–]Andrusz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    It's funny you mentioned getting "teased" for not being circumcised as a youth in Canada, but I remember very vividly being teased by my peers as a youth for that very reason and it never sat well with me until I finally started to have sex.

    Once I began having sex however all that changed.

    [–]coolredpill 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Am uncircumcised, grew up feeling insecure about it, parents told me my dick was too small for the doctor to do it when i was born LOL

    Guess i feel better after reading this. I often considered getting it done as an adult but just never decided to cuz apparently i will be writhing in pain for a week or so not being able to move, and i dont wanna pay to do that and miss work

    Oh and no bitch has ever had a problem with it. They never mentioned about it either.

    As fof hygiene i just wash inside and out with water like normal

    [–]allSmallThings 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    [–]RoastedDuckinator 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    circumcision is how you control the goyim

    [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    But also the chosen people themselves.

    [–]roosterinflight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Jews are matrilineal, to my understanding.

    [–]kikkamokkeli 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    To each his/her own with genital mutilation in adult age. But aside from medical problems, there are no compelling reasons to do it to minors who are not able to consent to it.

    [–]1Ill_Will7 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I have done a lot of research (internet) on this subject.

    My El Salvadorian friend is uncircumcised and told me that Americans do it to keep them less sexually charged.

    Makes me sad because I am and never had a choice in the matter. I cant blame my parents because they were indoctrinated in this system and thought they were doing what was best for me.

    He gets an incredible amount of pussy if he wants and has a much deeper grasp of sexuality and overall success in life compared to me.

    Nothing is true, Everything is permitted

    [–]kylerosa21 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    I used to think that being uncircumcised was terrible since I assumed a majority of men were circumcised, but recently (just the other day) I was thinking about how i don’t really mind being uncircumcised m and this post kinda reinforces that belief.

    [–]allSmallThings 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    About 70% of men are not circumcised, when you count worldwide.

    There is an uncircumcised reddit if you want to talk about it.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Kind of a no brainer really. Imagine all those sensitive nerve endings rubbing against the fabric of your Calvins, unprotected, they end up desensitized. Now imagine them protected by a thick wall of skin for 17-18 years, only truly stimulated by the first girl you fuck.

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    [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Foregen is a company working on full foreskin regeneration, but that will take years and clinical trials. They are the first company to put these modern medicine practices to use for foreskin restoration. I've heard a couple of methods that stretches out other skin into a pseudo foreskin and people sound pretty positive about the result. It can take a long time (2-5 year) and requires daily actions. However the glans protection judging by individual anecdotes are positive.

    I am not informed enough to advice on it, I suggest you use google. But I'll ask around just in case someone can tell me more.

    [–]riggedved 6 points7 points  (5 children)

    I never got circumcised. neither do people of my religion or country do. And Ive had girls tell me that my penis is much, much more pelasurable inside their pussy than a circumcised penix.

    [–]WalkingInfinite 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    Oh man, if only you knew how envious I am about it...

    [–]8700nonK 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    There is 0 reason for the uncircumcised penis to be more pleasurable. The skin just rolls down and it looks (and most probably feels) like a circumcised one (I'm not circumcised btw).

    [–]WalkingInfinite 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The rolling itself is the thing that makes intercourses more pleasurable. It's being said on the internets and that's what a couple of my friends told me. For obvious reasons, it's the only source available :D

    [–]I_am_Jax_account 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    I wish my grandfather was still alive. He had all sorts of "crazy" ideas that he imposed on the family that ran contrary to the wisdom of his time but he imposed his will as the breadwinner of the family. He made sure no one in the family was circumcised. He asserted that career-oriented, unmarried women would be miserable and that liberals pushing masculinity and work on women was wrong (he actually wrote a self-published book on that). He asserted that there was nothing morally wrong with homosexuality (also in his book). He thought women should not raise men (also in his book). And he never lived long enough to see culture begin to vindicate him. Instead, most people probably thought he was just eccentric.

    [–]RoninUnderground 28 points29 points  (5 children)

    I was cut, thought it was totally normal and even a good thing. I've done my own research and while some studies list slightly different rates of things like partner satisfaction, incidence of complications, etc. the conclusion is still perfectly clear to me. OP is correct, there is zero compelling reason to do this to your son except in dire medical need. Claims of hygiene are overstated, learn how to wash your kid properly instead of cutting him up. If he has phimosis it typically won't show up until much later when he can consciously deal with the pain and simple treatment options rather than remove that choice from him in a painful and traumatizing way. Many people say "But if you do it at birth he won't remember it!" That's exactly one of the big problems, unpacking and healing trauma from a source you can't recall in any detail is some of the hardest to overcome. What's worse for me is I didn't realize this until it was too late for my son. Don't ignore this.

    [–]MushroomTaco 35 points36 points  (4 children)

    "They wont remember it!"

    If you tried that line with a judge after roofieing and raping a chick i doubt he would take it very well.

    [–]RoninUnderground 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    It belies the assumed innocence of the procedure. They also stupidly believe that not remembering something in the way adults remember things means that it has no effect. A brief study of childhood trauma, with commonly associated PTSD and repressed memories, should be enough to convince someone with a lick of sense that this is patently false.

    [–]midnightreider 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Are you saying that there is underlying trauma that stays when you’re circumcised right after birth?

    [–]suitcasecity 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    I never understood it, aside from the cultural norm there is absolutely no point to it. Makes me think how crazy society is.

    Like what if someone decided one day that we only needed one ear or 4 fingers on a hand and started marketing it to hospitals with supposed benefits (which im sure they could find some) and then making it a cultural norm.

    Crazy

    [–]MoDuReddit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I'm sure there'd still be people here posting how it's natural and that cutting off one ear has been done for thousands of years.

    [–]kaazsssz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Me and my ex wife were going to circumcise our son. I’m glad we didn’t.

    [–]Zahlix 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    Dicks seemed to work just fine for about 350.000 years. I don't see a reason to mess with a proven concept.

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      [–]Tootblan45 11 points12 points  (2 children)

      The BEST pro-circumcision arguments I've ever heard are all awful:

      • Circumcision lessens the incidence of penile cancer.

      Yeah well if you remove a woman's breasts (like Angelina Jolie) there is less tissue for cancer to inflict.

      Even if this point is completely true, and based on the ridiculous range of benefit offered it's dubious, it still isn't anymore valid than advocating all women have double masectomies to lower the chance of breast cancer.

      • Circumcision lowers the rate of STD's, particularly AIDS.

      The main study used to back this claim was done in Sub-Saharan Africa, with a decidedly non-random sample population. Those that who were circumcised were far more likely to be devoutly religious and married.

      Just the fact that the populated was highly stratified like this should call any conclusion into question. But it makes sense that married people are less likely to contract AIDS.

      • Baby boys should look like their fath

      This sounds almost like a way to justify the father's mutilation. Because if the father had acid dumped on him, for example, no one would ever suggest to subject the child to it.

      There really aren't any good argument FOR circumcision. It's mutilation...by definition and it's barbaric.

      [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Also note that penile cancer typically only happens to 60+ year old men, and in rarer cases to 55+ year old men. It's one of the rarest form of cancer. You have more chance of dying to complications of the circumcision than it preventing penile cancer in your life (though I guess if you die it does prevent penile cancer in your post-retirement life).

      [–]Tootblan45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Good point to add.

      The thing is though...even if those three arguments were legit, parents STILL have no right to mutilate their children.

      [–]CommJimHoredem 13 points14 points  (2 children)

      Appreciate you doing this research!

      [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      That's a bit to much praise; I just summarized it. But thank you.

      [–]CommJimHoredem 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Well, thx for summarizing. I never thought of possible lingering traumatic effects.

      [–]da_Crow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Even though I haven't been negatively affected by being circumcised, if I ever have a son I won't have him circumcised. I'll teach him proper hygiene so he never has to get cut either. It just seems natural to me.

      [–]CocaineOnYourClit 74 points75 points  (62 children)

      I'm circumcised, never had any problems and have only received compliments on it from women, and I live in a country where 99% of men are not circumcised. Would get circumcised again . But I agree that we shouldn't perform it on children who cannot consent to it

      [–]RoninUnderground 60 points61 points  (0 children)

      But I agree that we shouldn't perform it on children who cannot consent to it

      This is exactly the problem in the US. I have zero problem with adults choosing to lop off any part of themselves they like as long as I don't have to pay for it. I don't even mind if parents have a conversation with their kids about having it done and maybe ultimately have it done, but the kid needs a lot more say in it and the only thing an infant will do is protest. I've seen it, it's pretty horrifying really. The way boys scream while strapped to that table you might as well be murdering them slowly. To claim there isn't pain or trauma associated with it is either supremely ignorant or willfully malicious.

      [–]-DeadLock 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      You probably have a circumcision that isnt severe. I have scarring until halfway down my shaft and all the nerves scraped away. I only learned to ejaculate at age 17 and I have never been able to cum in a woman. It really makes my head spin and reading about it easily tumbles me into a depressed mood for weeks .. Gotta go... But please stop ... Because I can virtually guarantee they didnt scrape away as much as they did for me.. And getting complements from women about it.... Not a good enough reason to promote mutilation of male genitalia.

      [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 14 points15 points  (30 children)

      Were you circumcised as an infant or were you circumcised later in life? If later, before or after you had your first sexual experience?

      [–]CocaineOnYourClit 11 points12 points  (28 children)

      Not as an infant, it was after 2 sexual experiences. Not too much difference in the quality of sex. I feel like the orgasms are more powerful (sometimes too much when it feels like my glands are getting crushed when I cum inside). However I last a bit longer and masturbation is now impossible without lube

      [–]SuwinTzi 10 points11 points  (8 children)

      I'm cut but I can jerk it w/o lube? What do you mean by its impossible?

      [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 18 points19 points  (7 children)

      masturbation is now impossible without lube

      This definitely seems like a common trend. Thanks for sharing.

      Interesting about the different (more powerful!) orgasm experience.

      [–]LiftingShithead 10 points11 points  (6 children)

      I was circumcised for medical reasons 4years ago. I donβ€˜t know what it is called in English. Basically my foreskin had a white ring underneath that got tighter so i get checked and told a circumcision is necessary.

      I had sexual experiences in a 1,5year-relationship before that.

      I would say that i got a bit less sensitive. I miss the feeling on the foreskin a bit but sex and masturbation both work fine.

      [–]MoDuReddit 16 points17 points  (8 children)

      masturbation is now impossible without lube

      Not that you should be wanking all the time, but that spells like a disability to me. You know what they do with women who can't orgasm? They prod electric needles into their spine to directly stimulate a deep orgasm.

      You guys cut off part of your dick (no judging) and you need to go to the pharmacy to be able to wank.

      [–]jmg83 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      That's how I see it, a disability. I, too, have trouble in that area. It's always been like this for me, though. I recently purchased this device , and I wish I'd owned one of these 20, or even 10 years ago, it's amazing. I actually feel pleasure during masturbation, not pain, and I can actually cum from it.

      [–]eyewant 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Maturbation without lube is impossible for me too. Circumcision is destructive.

      [–]ApwoperMuser 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Why did you get circumcised? Did you get your frenulum removed?

      [–]1v1crown 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      I was circumcised and I guess I'll never know what it's like to be uncircumcised, but I've never had a problem with it. But I will say I guess if everyone didn't get circumcised I guess it would be better?

      [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      It's not life ending, otherwise south korea couldn't have survived 1 generation of circumcision, the US 4 generations of circumcision and semites about 4000 years of circumcision.

      I'm glad you didn't have a problem with it. It's a good idea to prevent this for future generations.

      [–]NikolaGeorgiev 16 points17 points  (23 children)

      "4.Stimulates partner's genitals (6 out of 7 women report preferring uncircumcised men)" Please link the study, I wanna share this with people.

      [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 13 points14 points  (21 children)

      Here you go.

      https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1079.x

      edit: since some of the data is somewhat hard to extrapolate, someone made an image that summarizes some of the studies findings.

      Late edit2: Note that /u/replis gave good criticism of the above link: part of the survey participants were gotten by advertising in an anti-circumcision newsletter and as such there should be considerable caution at taking that study too serious. This might be a better study, more participants, national survey in denmark. Similar results, but not exactly the same of course: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947

      [–]Replis 25 points26 points  (15 children)

      Quote from your source, the first paragraph:

      To date no study has investigated whether this dramatic alteration in the male genitalia affects the sexual pleasure experienced by the female partner or whether women can physically discern the difference between a penis with or without a foreskin. The impact that male circumcision has on the overall sexual experience for either partner is unknown.

      So basically, this debunks what you said, instead of supporting it. I didn't read rest of this source, but this isn't academic or study at all. This is just a writing that gives some studies as source material for its statements. Which can be true, I don't know, I didn't read the sources this writing refers to.

      But this writing is:

      1. Not a study.
      2. Not objective.

      Need to say "dramatic alteration" in this writing is one of the proof that this is not a study nor objective.

      EDIT: Someone pointed out, that "to date" no study has investigated", which is also BS: Let me explain why: They didn't have their own study. Also they don't say "Until now" or something like that. Also, I want to add: But what is their study? How did they study?

      If they have their own study, which is subjective as we can see from the writing, will not be accepted.

      [–]SmamelessMe 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      "to date no study has investigated"

      This is academic speak for "Look at how rare / touchy this topic is, we're the first ones to look at it seriously. Look at us, how smart / fearless we are! We got brains / balls of steel yo!"

      If you want to disprove a study, attack its metrics, data and methodology.

      Hint: they're found in the actual study (that's why they're called studies).

      [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 13 points14 points  (13 children)

      When they write:

      To date no study has investigated

      What that means is that prior to the study that you're reading, this wasn't studied. They're giving the reason for why they did the study.

      [–]pm_me_tangibles 19 points20 points  (2 children)

      Thank you for compiling this. What you have written deeply resonates with my personal experiences.

      I cannot tell you how many conversations I’ve had with ignorant people who think β€œwell it’s just a useless bit of skin” or β€œwomen prefer prefer a circumcised dick, it’s so pretty”. As if as a society we deem it acceptable to make babies undergo cosmetic surgery to please their future partners’ whims.

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        [–]pm_me_tangibles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I think most people (men & women) are simply ignorant of the dep extent of damage it does. Most people are so ignorant they literally see it like an external appendix - a useless bit of skin. So their ignorance is naive not malicious.

        [–]banthrow 21 points22 points  (8 children)

        Dudes from US: Is totally insane and absurd that you think that removing a part of your body have a natural advantage. If there were any advantage, we would have evolved that part out millions of years ago. Please, don't remove random parts of your body.

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          [–]banthrow 13 points14 points  (6 children)

          Also girls says they like it more that way. So if women like mutilated penises I should mutilate mine? that's the ultimate betaification. Cutting your dick because of what women think.

          [–]thomascoopers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm not even sure how true that is, even for the States. I managed to lay a few girls when I was in the States (have been twice) and all of them said they loved an uncut cock. Sure, that's purely anecdotal, but Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

          [–]kurdishpower01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Girls also say they like Guys who are nice and honest and appreciates them.

          [–]Amiska5v5 9 points10 points  (4 children)

          I got cut when I was 15. I noticed the sensitivity on the forehead got reduced more and more everyday. Now I am 27 and its MUCH less sensitive than I remember it to be.

          Mixed feelings on it as I can have issues with premature ejaculation, so less sensation can be a good thing for me, but some part of me wish to have try sex without being cut to feel the difference. I never got to experience that.

          Personally I think it looks better cut tho.

          [–]Reniboy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Doesn't that happen for everyone? The more your rub it, the less sensitive your dick would be. Has less to do with circumcision and more to do with the level of stimulation available. I don't think any normal dude's dick at 27 is at the same level of sensation/sensitivity as it was at 15.

          [–]G5_Shadows 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          I've always enjoyed having sex alot, even though im circumcised, it's the greatest natural feeling in the world.

          It's upsetting knowing I could have been feeling even better with an additional 8000 nerves. I feel like I'm missing out and there's nothing i can do to get it back.

          Then again I have nothing to compare it to. I will never really know what it'll feel like so i guess i shouldn't be bothered, but I only live once and my one shot has been tainted. Very upset with my mother saying the reason she did it was because "circumcised penises look better". Very upset.

          [–]kafkian 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I'm a lucky European, over here we don't get circumsized and I don't care if someone thinks my dick looks like a shar-pei. My reasoning is that it must be there for a reason: if it ain't broken don't fix it

          [–]Crass_Conspirator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Agreed. I’m not circumcised and I don’t want to be. My father is circumcised and insisted my brother and I not be. My brother ended up going and getting circumcised at 18 due to societal pressures, and he told me β€œnever get circumcised”.

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Im pretty lucky to be uncircumsized. It's definitely awesome

          [–]RedHoodhandles 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          I was circumcised as a kid. Phimosis. I remember lying in the hospital bed, banging my fist against the wall and screaming that I don't want to die. The pain was unbearable.

          I don't know what pleasure was taking from me in the first place with the foreskin but compared to sex in my early twenties (I'm 30 now), my glans has decenticised. Well what do you expect? Its constantly rubbing against my underwear. And no that's not a good thing because now you can fuck longer.. I guess 5 to 10 year from now I will have problems cumming with condoms (so much for the plating). I never came via bj.

          Half a year ago (in line with self-improvement and because a plate wanted me to cum with her mouth) I went partly down that rabbit hole of foreskin and foreskin restauration. It could be worth it but I'm not wearing a plastic cup around my dick all day.

          'It is cleaner.' 'It looks better.' Lol... Circumcision is barbaric and you are a special kind of dumb if you believe it's not that big of a deal.

          My parents didn't know better and I don't hate them for it. I wish they did and so, kind of, I do.

          [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

          How old a kid were you? If done before puberty there is a good chance that it is a misdiagnosis.

          There is serious lack of information about this in the United States in particular, where a healthy penis can be misdiagnosed for having phimosis, because the misinformation goes right up to the medical professional education.

          [–]JBo4Three 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I made our decision on circumcision for my son. I chose not to. Have wrestled with that choice ever since. Now, I no longer will. Thanks for this. Made my day.

          [–]WalkingInfinite 14 points15 points  (9 children)

          I've been circumcised at age ~7 and thus obviously can't compare my current sensations and sensations of uncircumcised man. But I'm pretty sure that I've lost a lot. Yes, I can last for a really long time (sometimes it's up to 3 hours), but is it normal for a man to try hard in order to achieve an orgasm? Some men say that they would be so much more confident if they could last that long, but believe me you won't be confident if you are always afraid of not getting hard because of lack of sensitivity...

          [–]roosterinflight 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          I have the exact same problem, dude. I have a nice dick. Like, truly blessed, I get compliments and surprised looks from every girl. And sometimes it scares the shit out of me to use it.

          Why? Because I lack sensitivity, and maintaining erections is hard. I can usually get things going after a few tries, and everything is fine. But, it's hard getting over the burning shame to want to keep trying after a failure or two.

          [–]oneorigin 28 points29 points  (4 children)

          Better repost it to women's subs, because cut men have an inferiority complex, that makes them ignore truth, and force circumcision to their kids.

          Uncut men in non-barbarian countries view this practice as barbarian or as a religious insanity.

          [–]TheDevilsAdvokaat[🍰] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

          I'm cut but I made sure my son wasn't.

          Some of us can see the truth.

          [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

          Every smokescreen in the book is thrown up by cut men trying to get out of Plato's cave with zero means to, only then claiming the cave is better and the real losers are outside of it all the while being completely ignorant to the natural anatomy and ignoring any argument otherwise when cutting their own kid. Break. The. Cycle.

          [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          It's never easy to accept topics that go against what you've previously been told, because it also asks the person to accept that their parents/ doctor lied to them or unwittingly misinformed them. I think a high degree of skepticism is natural and healthy.

          Although I hope they also apply that skepticism to the claims they had formerly accepted as truth.

          [–]LazyLizardd 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          This shit hit me hard. I was clueless

          [–]intactisnormal 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          A good post OP. In case anyone questions your stats, the Canadian Paediatric Society’s paper pretty much backs them all up, table 1.

          http://www.cps.ca/documents/position/circumcision

          And here's a study showing that the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis. Full study here.

          [–]memamu76 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Christopher Hitchens: babies are born as amazing bundles of potential, pure and totally dependent on you for care. Who in their right mind would think, "Lets take a knife to their genitals?". It's sickening.

          I don't care if it's your religion, it's not the baby's religion and you have no right to force it on a baby, who has life long consequences.

          If you have a faith you'll find that a very strong comment to make; but it is a fair point in an open discussion.

          [–]ChadsCock 23 points24 points  (14 children)

          This is all very true. It's amazing how savage we are while we presume since we have advanced technology we must be modern.

          The United States has the most fatal pregnancies of all modern nations, it's so bad we have more per capital than Libya because doctors insist on forcing women to push up against gravity since it increases the likelihood of "complicated deliveries" which make a lot more money.

          Once a woman has one complicated delivery she is forever stamped as complicated which means she would require a cesarean every time hence forth.

          So we basically deliberately murder ourselves for money including mothers along with their children

          Every time we look back at history and talk about something dumb we used to do and then claim "nobody knew" they're lying. We are forced to be dumb when it's convenient even if as individuals we all know better

          [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Would like more reading on this subject

          [–]ChadsCock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          https://www.vox.com/2016/8/8/12001348/more-women-dying-childbirth-america

          American health care! But we're really great at heart surgeries so keep deep frying your arteries. Practice makes perfect

          [–]anothdae 26 points27 points  (8 children)

          The United States has the most fatal pregnancies of all modern nations, it's so bad we have more per capital than Libya because doctors insist on forcing women to push up against gravity since it increases the likelihood of "complicated deliveries" which make a lot more money.

          This is absurd.

          We have complicated deliveries because women are very unhealthy in the US, and have babies much, much, much later than the rest of the world, and our health reporting is a lot better.

          As someone in medicine, and actually currently in OBGYN, the people with "complicated deliveries" are 99% of the time gestational diabetes causing macrosomnia.

          Most of the statistics you hear are bullshit anyway... if you don't smoke and drink during your pregnancy, and aren't diabetic... you will be fine.

          Once a woman has one complicated delivery she is forever stamped as complicated which means she would require a cesarean every time hence forth.

          This is completely untrue.

          After a C section you have to wait 2 years before attempting a vaginal delivery, to allow the uterus to heal. If you don't, you risk uterine abruption and fetal (as well as maternal) death.

          If you have had an oldschool c-section (verticle uterine incision), your risk is much higher as well, forever.

          If you have had multiple c sections, you also need another, as the rates of uterine abruption rise to over 50%.

          But apart from all that, vaginal deliveries are encouraged, even after c sections.

          So we basically deliberately murder ourselves for money including mothers along with their children

          This is again, fucking stupid.

          Once you see a mother die from giving birth, your tolerance for doing things "naturally" drops. Because that is the natural course. For mothers to routinely die.

          C-sections save lives.

          fuck off with your bullshit.

          [–]clamops 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Do you have a source for this? Genuinely curious

          [–]djh860 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I didn’t have my sons cut now 23 and 25 and they don’t seem to be totally cool with being different .

          [–]Casanova-Quinn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Totally agree with this. On a related note, if you're circumcised guy who has trouble feeling it during sex, your problem is likely caused by too much rough masturbation (aka death grip). Your hand can move faster and grip much harder than a vagina. This makes real sex seem dull. It can be fixed by only masturbating with a sex toy that can't be squeezed (like a flesh light). Furthermore, actually fuck the toy (thrust your body) instead of just moving your hand. The point is, your masturbation habits should be as similar as possible to actual sex.

          [–]Chitlinsandgravy 2 points3 points  (8 children)

          My dad left me intact. I've had no major health issues related to my foreskin in 37yrs. Only negative side effect I'm aware of was enhanced tip sensitivity due to it constantly being wrapped up. Kept it pulled back until it was no longer sensitive to the touch when wearing tighty whiteys.

          I've always wondered/considered if it was a measure of controlling/limiting male sexuality thru mutilation. The shaming that can come with being uncircumcised, from men, can be astounding. The conditioning required to program such a response...

          Only issue I ever had with women was if I had a case of sweaty dick.

          [–]sammysep 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Wanna just comment on the restoration part, has anyone here tried restoration through a non-surgical procedure ie wearing a restoration device? If so any results? And if results achieved, how long did it take?

          [–]BrewandRun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Why the fuck would anyone cut off the tip of their dick just to pander to the opposite sex. Or worse yet some bullshit religions organization who's leaders have never had a proper sexual relationship.

          [–]EdAnt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          This is a great source of aggravation for me. I had my mind made up when my son was born not to have him circumcised. There was a young especially cunty nurse who I had to tell this to. I had just seen my son born, so I wasn't quite myself, anyway, and I was a total soy boy at the time. The nurse began screeching at me and telling me how fucking evil I was for not having him circumcised, berating me, Etc. I caved. My son is circumcised today, just like me. This is just one of a thousand little life-altering mistakes I've made that the red pill could have prevented. I find solace in the fact that my boy won't make any of those same mistakes.

          [–]Lionlocker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Literally the only argument anyone can make is that women prefer the aesthetics of the mutilated penis. And no one is surprised how dumb that opinion is to have, or that argument is to make.

          [–]masterofmydomain_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          i always laugh when religious zealots argue about it. you were made in god's image right? better cut the tip off your dick then.

          i would never have my [future] son[s] circumsized. shit is barbaric.

          [–]thisthiccbeat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Protip: you can temporarily disable your foreskin with a cock ring. I do it all the time and it's fun.

          [–]RpwomN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I am so pleased to see this post here. I will be saving this to show anyone who has a conversation about it with me. I've been trying to educate those around me about the harmful effect circumcision has, but it's difficult to show stats in the moment.

          Thank you for this post.

          [–]suckisuckilongtime 3 points4 points  (8 children)

          I was circumcised at age 5 and I remember all of it, under no anaesthesia AMA

          [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          1. Did you know what was going to happen?
          2. Was it done in a western country?
          3. Was it done for religious reasons?

          [–]suckisuckilongtime 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          1) No dude turned up to my house and snipped me on my bed lol 2) Yes UK wasn’t done in hospital but at home 3) Yes but myself am no longer affiliated with any religion

          [–]tolstushki701 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          I was circumcised without any anesthesia. It affected me in a very bad way...I loose erection when a woman touches my abs and desire to have sex disappears. Up to this day I remember how I cried and how people were holding me down and I believe this painful experience somehow got stored in my body’s memory. I don’t care what your religion is it is all bull shit, if your kid suffers like me nothing good will come out of it.

          [–]Devils_Duke 13 points14 points  (22 children)

          I'm circumcised for medical reasons (all the men in my family are born with tight foreskins) and I can tell you that, while I've never had sex uncircumcised (I got it done when I was 11), it really has no negative effects on my sex life. It doesn't get in the way of me enjoying sex (a lot) and it doesn't seem to prevent me from pleasing my lady callers (if I do say so myself). If there's any difference between circumcised and uncircumcised, I'm fairly sure it's negligible.

          Most of the nerve endings are in the actual head of the penis rather than the foreskin, so getting rid of it doesn't make that much of a difference on pleasure.

          Girls either like a circumcised dick (it's "tidier" or "neater") or couldn't give a flying fuck (excuse the pun). And I have a lot of fun teasing my uncircumcised buddies about how saggy and disgusting their dicks are going to look when they're 70.

          Not a criticism of the contents or intention of this post; just a few thoughts from the perspective of a medical circumcisee (that's definitely a word). While I truly don't think there are any negative effects of circumcision, and would even go as far to say I'm glad I'm circumcised, I do think the practice of fashionable circumcision is ridiculous. Doesn't really happen here in the UK!

          And by the way, the idea that it was intended as a masturbation deterrent is actually laughable. I can jack it with the best of them!

          [–]SmamelessMe 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          I don't want to doubt the reason why you were circumcised, but when it happens to your kids, make sure to exhaust all other solutions before invasive surgery.

          I too was born with Phimosis. A few weeks of stretching after warm baths fixed that while I was still a little kid.

          Edit: removed rest of the post. OP addressed that.

          [–]AggressiveProgrammer 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          The only thing to be said is babies should not be getting skin cut off of their dick for non medical reason without their consent. Even phimosis can be cured by stretching of the glans. Sure, circumcision is not the end of the world, however as a circumcised male myself I can clearly see that circumcision has had a very, very negative effect on my life and it was done for no reason whatsoever. If an adult who is well informed wants to cut skin off his dick, OK, but you can never defend someone cutting skin off of me without my consent. Especially considering that you have to go through pain as a baby, for no fucking reason. It's NOT normal or ok to cut up a LIVE baby all just so some mindless parent can continue a pattern.

          [–]intactisnormal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Most of the nerve endings are in the actual head of the penis rather than the foreskin,

          The foreskin is actually the most sensitive part of the penis. Full study here.

          [–]1-Fidelio-[S] 16 points17 points  (9 children)

          Most of the nerve endings are in the actual head of the penis rather than the foreskin, so getting rid of it doesn't make that much of a difference on pleasure.

          Nerve endings in the glans are not as concentrated as in the frenulum, which is removed in circumcision.

          Girls either like a circumcised dick (it's "tidier" or "neater") or couldn't give a flying fuck (excuse the pun)

          Research does not support your anecdotal experience:

          To summarize a few bulletpoints from this study:

          • Women were more likely to have a vaginal orgasm with an intact partner

          • Women were more likely not to have a vaginal orgasm with a circumcised partner

          • Circumcised partners were more likely to have premature ejaculation

          • Women were more likely to report vaginal discomfort with circumcised partners (either often or ocasionally) compared to intact partners (either rarely or never)

          https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1079.x


          Not to detract from your personal experiences I think it's always good for people to share.

          [–]Devils_Duke 9 points10 points  (2 children)

          What I'm getting at is that if you're not making a girl cum, it's not because you're circumcised. A bit like how a 7 incher will probably do a better job than a 6 incher, but a 6 incher is always sufficient. If you're good in the bedroom, a lack of foreskin isn't going to hold you back. And trust me, sex is still very fun. We're really "majoring in the minors" here. Any differences are negligible when it comes down to it. See what I'm saying?

          [–]RoninUnderground 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Yeah well I've read that circumcised dicks are on average 15% shorter than uncut, too. I'm cut, well above average in length and girth (genetic olympics, baby), I like my dick because I'm a man not a self loathing bitch, and of course sex is fun, but I should have never been cut without my consent.

          [–]TangoZulu 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          Don't you think that the results of that study may contain inherent bias in the answers due to the fact that a portion of the respondents were found via an ad placed in "an anti-circumcision newsletter"? Women subscribing to an anti-circumcision newsletter would hardly seem an unbiased opinion, would they?

          [–]gaspaonrocks 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          • Circumcised partners were more likely to have premature ejaculation

          Well EVERY guy I know that were circumcised (myself included) all agree that it reduces the sensitivity, being exposed to all sorts of friction in the pants.

          After a quick ctrl + F in the paper you give, I show you this :

          In women who preferred circumcised men, there was no difference in their comparison of circumcised and unaltered men other than overall rating and a higher rate of premature ejaculation in their unaltered partners (4.63, 2.36–9.07)

          To me this means that unaltered men are more likely to premature ejaculate.

          EDIT : and in the study they go straight to what I pointed out to 'women say circumcised guys come too fast'.

          EDIT 2 : less nerve endings = less stimulation = less reasons to come early.

          So yeah, do it or don't, you (and/or your offspring) can still be a king in the sack.

          [–]simplisticallysimple 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          How can you know that it doesn't "get in the way" of you enjoying sex? You have no basis for comparison. Sounds like sour grapes to me

          [–]IndividualRegister 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The good news is there is a non-profit organization, Foregen, actively working to create a regenerative surgery for foreskins. Donor foreskins are taken, decellularized, which just leaves the foreskin scaffolding, then conduct microsurgery to attach the foreskin to the patient and allow the patient's cells to basically become the new foreskin.

          www.foregen.org

          [–]fall0ut 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Check your math. World war 2 didn't end 50 years ago.

          [–]Rollo_Mayhem3 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          try putting a cotton sock over your cock and jerk off...you'll see an increased in pleasurable sensation...it would make u cum faster because you would not be used to this type of stimulation. I think it is a better way to get use to fucking, particularly without a condom --if you do that.

          i guess that was what the foreskin did. This my anecdotal evidence.

          [–]MoDuReddit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I was very late when I understood in American Pie, what the deal was with wanking, socks and lube was.

          [–]berniel64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Excellent post. My dad was from the old country, Italy, didn't believe in circumcision. I'm Glad he didn't the protection makes a difference.

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          [–]SnowMonkeyCracker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Circumcision is a weird cultural practice and so is the relative acceptance of it. As a culture we would be shocked if parents tattooed a child, yet a tattoo is just a cosmetic procedure. We debate when is too young to pierce an ear, yet pierced ears heal over. But cut the skin of the top of a penis; sure, no problems at all.

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