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MetaThe official "an incel murdered somebody" thread for onlookers, bystanders & media suit types (ignore this and publish a story saying we are just like them for that sweet adrev) (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist

I've seen posted around reddit recently that we're starting to get grouped in with the incels. While it should be clear that we are not associated with them, let's make this very clear, autistically clear.

I'm not here to write for controversy, but instead for people to understand the issue. If anyone actually cared about the people's lives who were lost, they'd read this, and take action from it. But I don't expect anyone to care, or take action, and I would go so far to say that even people who are involved in the media that read this will disregard the information here and push for views to get that sweet sweet adrev until the next misguided, desperate sexless guy at the end of his rope shows up in a crowded area to kill a bunch of innocent people.

I knew blood was on Reddit's hands the minute they closed down that sub.

I don't typically write content with the intention to judge, but today, I'm judging.

Park Deitz, a Forensic Psychologist, along with many other mental health professionals have advocated against many of the practices that mainstream media companies use to sensationalize this behavior. Yet these organizations operate agnostically as if they are unable to control the outcome, even with feigned malicious inaptitude as if they don't understand or realize they provide a platform for society's rejects to get up and make their statement.

These men make a statement when they take the lives of innocent people, and if any of these media companies cared about preventing such a thing in the future, or even curbing it, they wouldn't fuel the message of an "incel revolution" but they've given credence to people who self identify with this idea that at one point everyone thought was a joke, that started on 4chan as the "beta uprising."

"If you're lonely and unsuccessful with women, when you're ready to give up, kill a bunch of people, and we'll be here to make you the anti-hero."

So this most certainly isn't the last time we'll hear of this, and just like school shootings, I won't at all be surprised when this becomes a recurring issue. I knew the moment that sub closed down that someone would pay for that with their life.


TRP as a "system" analyzes and trades notes within a woman's short term mate selection paradigm.

Incels are involuntary celibate. That is, they do not have sex.

Traditional, monogamous, long term relationships, are frowned upon here. They are considered a fool's errand. (Since women can not negotiate attraction, and men harbor the duty of performance, making any such arrangement willful ignorance at best)

Casual sex, obviously, being much more difficult for men near a median level of attractiveness to obtain, puts this group pretty far and away past the types of men within the incel grouping.

So you should understand now that the primary audience for this group, are men that are interested in having sex with women, without having traditional long term relationships.

The system here advocates for "spinning plates" which is our ingroup speak for having sex in an uncommitted relationship with more than one woman at a time. This is equivalent to what people in the left call "hookup culture." We advocate competing within this culture.

Incels, on the other hand, understand they are incapable of competing within this culture, and even unable to obtain a girlfriend, which is considerably less difficult to compete for than a casual sex partner.


Why do we appear to share somewhat similar views?

Incels seek information to understand their position in the world. They've tried all the advice that's been given to them by family, friends and other groups on the internet. Yet they remain lonely and unsuccessful. So they are forced to study female behavior at a level that is considered atypical. They begin to over time understand that they are physically uncompetitive specimens, low status awkward outcasts or maybe self aware enough to realize they have significant personality disorders scaring women away.

TRP subjects men who are not Über males to a large shock as they begin to understand women are just as if not more superficial as men. The primary difference being that women are born into a blind entitlement, who will never know what is like to try and have sex and fail, some for years or even decades at at time.

It is as much of a shock for men who have had limited success with women through serial monogamy to learn they've functioned as useful idiots as it is for men who have no success with women to learn how much work they need to get anywhere at all.

The difference between these two outliers (men who can compete within the STR paradigm, and men who can not compete *at all, either STR or LTRs) is the median. The "rest" of men function more or less as useful idiots to women, whether they understand it or not. This is clearly demonstrated in sexual selection literature.

A small fraction of men are within relationships where he is her best choice. In these cases, these men are not often useful idiots, but instead jackpots. Mr. Dreamy. These are men with top physical traits, highly sociable, usually successful financially who choose to compete within a woman's preference. Rather than using his superior physical genetics to obtain many short term mates, he chooses one woman. They are the men whose words pull the least weight in this argument, but argue the most loudly without any self awareness whatsoever.

If you believe we share similar views, it's because you don't understand the content here or you're not self aware enough. Likely because you've functioned as a useful idiot or align more with female preferential sexual strategy. You've been selected against (likely) as a controllable mate, you see no downside to this arrangement (believe that serial monogamy is preferred to polygamy), and therefore you either can't understand your genetic advantages over these other men (incels) or you can't understand the mechanisms men use to compete with women within their short term paradigm (TRP) to maximize their sexual success.

If you understood the content here and didn't harbor a view that played so well into female sexual strategy, you'd understand we're actually polar opposite of each other.

Why do men need TRP at all? What about the men who have success without these groups?

They don't need it. Men come here because they are unhappy or looking to increase their sexual success. They could choose to remain in the pattern they're in, but they've chosen for one reason or another to come here and break out. What they're doing from a top down, systems analysis, game theory perspective, is breaking out of a woman's LTR preference, which is conflated as the way women date and instead understanding women from a raw arousal standpoint.

Plenty of already attractive men, who were born with superior genetics coast on that until they land in here after their first, or maybe even second divorce. This is when they are forced to understand concepts like Facta Non Verba, or, watch what she does. This conflicts with the largely held view that women operate at a rational level in a relationship. To be clear, such a thing can never be possible. If it were, women could circumvent evolution itself.

TRP's position is that a woman's arousal takes precedence over her responsibilities as a mother or her loyalty as a partner. Such a thing can be easily demonstrated by looking at egalitarian countries, who have higher divorce rates, and much lower numbers of children growing up within the house of their biological father. Also of consideration is a disproportionate number of women who file divorce. Finally, when raising children in the nuclear family is no longer a societal priority, physical dimorphism increases.

This is because while men are polygamous, women are hypergamous. This demonstrates absent societal structuring to prevent women acting in ways they prefer, they will choose to nomadically change mates to the detriment of themselves (female happiness paradox) and their children. If such a thing wasn't true, then the absence of male valued systems of control wouldn't have an effect on the rate in which women change partners or stay in the nuclear family. Yet they do, because as we say, tingles uber alles.

What many of these men take for granted is that they often are

  • Tall
  • Conventionally attractive
  • Functioning as useful idiots for women

Speaking frankly, but likely above your reading level for the content here, most women select against for long term relationships. The type of men within the incel community would never be considered short term mates, since such enormous numbers of much more attractive mates are on supply.

This means that many of these men figure out that even if they were to procure a relationship, they understand they'd be chosen because they

  • Are easily controlled
  • Provide resources
  • Are a temporary mate until a more attractive one can be obtained.
  • Would likely be cheated on

More or less, they begin to understand how useless they are within the system. This concept here is called "male disposability." And that even if they were to become more attractive through significant effort and sacrifice, that they could still lose a significant portion of their life in the event the relationship fails, leaving them on the hook for child support or losing assets. Men who lack the physicality or intelligence to even compete to this level of "high beta" begin to resent women for having such a low level of necessary competence or value in the world outside of their youth and or attractiveness.

Upper middle class women would argue that many women struggle with the same issue. Yet they aren't alone, they're merely too choosy to be saddled with an "unattractive" partner, even if, they are unattractive. If you were to pair these women with men of equal attractiveness, they'd consider these men beneath them. As is often demonstrated, women select on the pareto distribution. 20% of men are attractive, and 80% are invisible. Most incel men are in the bottom 20%. The idea that "everyone has their equal" isn't true for men because this also, would conflict with the purpose of evolution, which serves to increase genetic quality and diversity.

One need not look further than the advertisements of prostitutes to see that men are willing to stoop pretty low, for a chance at intimacy, even if more shallow and less long term. Frankly speaking, voluntary celibacy is not the same as being involuntarily celibate.

And frankly speaking, from what I outlined above, these men lack the physicality to stumble into the sexual marketplace by accident and have success. And so we are united in a forced understanding of women, yet for different reasons. The readers at TRP do so, to become more successful with women and men who identify as incel do so to understand their failures in life or because we provide the only explanation as to how they may even create a suboptimal solution for themselves.

The divergence between our groups is the men here accept these facts and change how they compete. Many incels do not. Instead they use our content as a way to justify their misery, when most are physically able to compete, just lacking the strategy and mindset.

I have created a post in my post history that helps these men, and have received many messages of thanks. To this I will make the strongest point of this group.

Incels are the creation of male duty and honor

The saddest realization I had when I made the post for incels to understand sexual theory, was a realization that many of these men struggled competing on the level that women compete on in the sexual marketplace. Women who have high sexual value simply need to put themselves onto an online platform and they are assured to get messages pouring in. Even average women are bombarded. And there are not as many sexual messages as they'd like to claim, it's just part of the flood. Regardless, the average number of messages a median woman gets, is infinitely higher.

That's not hyperbole, it's literal. The average number of messages a median male gets on an online dating platform is zero.

These men were stuck in decision paralysis because no one was telling them that they could date these women and leave them. This may be a hard thing for a normal person to digest. But these men were so stuck in male duty and honor, that they couldn't push themselves to compete within the sexual market in a way they considered dishonest.

That they could be the low value "controllable" man that a woman searches for, who isn't her best option, and turn her down for marriage.

There is an odd paradoxical sadness in that male incels often times have internal standards that are too high.

This can be boiled down to this conceptual shorthand.

Take the average involuntary celibate man, match him with a woman who is of equal levels of attractiveness, and they are both hypothetically obligated by totalitarian enforcement to be loyal to each other till they die, most of these men would take this agreement, almost no women would.

We explain to men why such an arrangement isn't feasible. (Hypergamy, SMV differential, etc) Men in TRP use this information to formulate their sexual strategy to one that is designed for long term stability. Incels use this information to help understand their state.

The truth of the matter is that some men, normally short men or men who are foreign, have valid concerns. Their best case option is to pray that the woman that they marry doesn't cheat on them militantly and divorce them. They know in their heart of hearts it's unlikely they'll ever be a woman's number one. And even at TRP, many men try to point to a man like Kevin Hart, yet if you took away all the money and status he has, Kevin Hart could likely be just as discouraged. Men below the median height of women have an extremely difficult time finding partners.

Naive men say they're just "be themselves" or "approach more" away, some of these guys having confided to having done hundreds or thousands of approaches to me.

These men deserve to understand the truth, that women select based on height as one of their primary selection mechanisms. A fact, so indisputable that it serves as a canary in a coal mine as to how misinformed most men and women are in regards to sexual selection. Such a choice is so obviously innate to the species and yet most men and women would insist that such a preference "isn't universal." Which is only true in the most obscenely absolutist, truth deaf way. True in the sense that not all men dislike having their balls stomped on with high heels.

Tell that to men who are 5'2" tall, who have tried speaking to a thousand women. Who are competing for a small subset of women who are that height or smaller, who are selecting men who are 6'0". Too bad, so sad, be more yourself, stop hating women, you aren't entitled to them.

Die alone, loser.

And yet these same men are confined to their rooms, scouring the internet for some solution to their misery that doesn't involve treating women in the way that "those dirty misogynists at TRP" do.

They are looking at a group that has solutions to maximize potential, so that they may position themselves as having something. Lamenting that they'll have to grow the fortitude to treat women in ways that they've been treated. Discarded at a moments notice, for trivial errors in the dance of attraction, because they lack the raw arousal characteristics they learn are potent in sexual selection.

To the casual observer, a lack of regard to sensitivity that we have is unable to be separated out from the hatred many of these self identified men have that seeks as a way to soothe their intense inner sadness from a world that has rejected them, giving them little options to grow from.

The violent incel program

  1. Take away a support groups for some of the lonliest, purposeless human beings on the planet.
  2. Deride them for their failures.
  3. Offer them no actionable solutions.
  4. Be surprised when lonely, purposeless human beings, who are being derided for their failures, with no actionable solutions lash out after taking away their support groups.

Truth is the matter is a lot of these guys could have remained within their "in group" as outcast loners. But taking down one of their last spots to hide away and bemoan their own lives sent a message I thought was dangerous.

There is no spot a man is allowed to have in the world where he can be accepted for being sexually unsuccessful, not even in an obscure part of the internet.

Think about that level of isolation. It's dark to even consider and to accept this black truth.

If you're wondering why incels come here, it's because you've provided no actionable advice for these men and taken away their last refuges. Until the only thing that makes any sense in their world is to pick up a gun or jump in a vehicle and kill innocent people as one last jab back at a world that if it operated with the claimed empathy and equality it purports, would have focused on helping these guys out a long time ago. And any claims that we should be the ones helping them are about as absurd as someone who has never played blackjack coming to a blackjack pro convention. The only reason that player is here is because there are literally no other places for him to go.

And FYI, that isn't just a "mental health" issue. If you criminalize being unattractive, then these men will "choose" to be criminals. Frankly I consider the mental state of incel men to be that of a society inflicted complex. Where men who are not attractive enough are told a variety of means to achieve their goal which are ineffective, persisting in a state of society induced insanity.

Where the only solution to this insanity is a group of men who do know how to exploit sexual selection mechanisms, yet have no sympathy for such divergent men who run literally counter to their mission to maximize male sexual success.

More or less, society, get your shit together. You stopped overt, easy to spot physical bullying and transitioned all that negative energy to "misogynistic men who feel entitled to women's bodies." These men don't get their ass kicked in gym class anymore, and I would argue such a thing would be a positive to some of these guys. Instead, the world puts them in a box and tells them the key is in their heart.

It's not.


[–]modTheRedPike[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

So a couple people clued into the fact that posts about this "incident" were being removed. In a moment, I will share what I told them, but first a few notes.

This was intended as a temporary measure as I knew eventually we needed to have a retrospective look at this. Sado was the first to get past my automod rules and posted something with some thought behind it, so I decided to let this post stand. Soon I will revert automod to remove my changes.

This isn't an official statement by the moderators of this sub. While I agree with a lot of what was said, at no point have the mods endorsed any policy on this. However if bears to note that we really don't do that to very many things. If you want to use our information to get married to a shrill harpy that soaks your wealth and never touches your pecker again, go for it cupcake--we'll give you a pat on the head and a hearty huzzah, though we reserve the right to point and laugh later. We are here to share information, not to tell you what to do.

Finally, several people have asked me to pin this post. I'm not going to today. However, if we are down this road again, I may consider doing it if sado posts it as a new thread (and please no "official" in the title.) As always, one of the senior mods can override this.

(This is where I cut and paste what I told someone in modmail.)

The problem with the current situation is that people aren't interested in the realities of the situation. They just want to be given names to bitch about. Generally speaking, the entire clusterfuck has very little to do with us, other than we use the term Red Pill. There is a political (on the-) spectrum that wants to create a super-group of badguys, the "alt-right," and put as many sub-groups people into those boxcars as they can. In my experience, even acknowledging their bleating is an acceptance into their groupings. No thanks. I welcome people to come read us after reading the headlines, but they are going to have to read what we say, instead of the meta- of the situation, which would be talking about the accusations.

And we know what happens when people actually read what we say...

Nevertheless, I know we can't avoid the topic forever. I planned on removing the changes to automod after the news cycle calms down and have some retrospective looks at the situation.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 79 points80 points  (7 children)

Be surprised when lonely, purposeless human beings, who are being derided for their failures, with no actionable solutions lash out after taking away their support groups.

And yet the solution is so incredibly simple: Dear incels, just pretend to be "confused about your gender identity". And then watch the entire society's attitude shifting: Support groups, supportive media segments, "friends", and prospective romantic partners will start pouring in.

See, the only real issue is that despite your possible lack of social skills, possible autist-spectrum, evident lack of good genetics, possible anxiety/depression-disorders, you are unfortunately men sexually attracted to women, aka a privileged oppressor you vile, powerful, white, hetero man.

In our current society, you cannot be awarded any victimhood brownie points for that. Solution: grab a membership card from an officially-approved victimized group. Explore the LGBTQ's endless list of sexual orientations and genders and select an obscure combination of titles. Nobody will go check if you're actually bisexual, but they will award you the support and love you want.

[–]DrBalance 41 points42 points  (2 children)

I had an acquaintance who was a fat nerd in high school. Like WoW 19 hours a day type nerd.

He didn't even get the social skills of a mangy rabid dog, when most of the rest of us figured out adult life eventually.

Next thing you know he's wearing a dress and taking hormones. I see it as a cry for help / knowing he can't change in any short time to anything a woman would go near, so becoming a victim of the patriarchy is now his identity. Any facebook post is a whine about how life is so unfair.

Might not have the same opinion after dropping 50kg and approaching 1000 women 5 nights a week, but no, just be a 'woman' to avoid that.

[–]Sonseh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

so becoming a victim of the patriarchy is now his identity.

Except incels and red pillers are the same but victims of the matriarchy that doesn't even exist.

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    [–]H42 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Didn't go too well for Ms. Manning

    Didn't go too well for Ms. Its. Manning

    FTFY

    [–]slashaceman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    lol that is a damn good point

    [–]exploratoah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Ok but where is that group going to go after we get rid of them what they believe is so self-defeating no one will take them in.

    [–]Iwannachokekatie 80 points81 points  (2 children)

    Nobody who thinks we're murderous incels will read this essay anyway.

    [–]Unrealenting 24 points25 points  (1 child)

    Exactly. Never try to convince people. It is always a waste of time.

    [–]Troll_Name 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Thirding this. You're more likely to encounter someone who is asking poisoned questions in bad faith, only searching for a cluster of words they can take out of context to get a lynch mob chasing after you.

    Nobody ever wanted to solve the problem of lynching they just wanted to make it their own tool.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 230 points231 points  (38 children)

    The funny thing here is that your attempting to explain something to a group of people who have a vested interest in not understanding you. It's like the whole wage gap party all over again. Yes the wage gap can be easily disproven but if Feminists accept the premise poof goes their funding.

    If you want to see this unfold in real time go watch that Cathy Newman Peterson video in which a grown ass bitch deliberately and repeatedly confuses herself on national television.

    The media wants a toxic masculinity story the same way it wants a Syrian Chemical Weapons story or a Iraqi weapons of mass destruction story.

    I'm going to file this under "Democrates are the real racists" yea sure maybe but no one cares either way. Explaining things to the enemy is a loss of frame plain and simple.

    Everything the media says is retarded and I have no interest in correcting retards and niether should anyone here.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist[S] 109 points110 points  (6 children)

    "Ha gotcha"

    -Jordan BP Peterson

    😂

    [–]Paladin2903 86 points87 points  (14 children)

    I agree. The media isn’t stupid. They’re just in on the game. “The game” being to bash males, and paint them as toxic, at every avenue. Just more of the divide and conquer game.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 46 points47 points  (13 children)

    There was this guy with a small mustache, totally forgot his name. But he wrote a book about how the media lies pollutes the culture and pushes a degenerate agenda.

    [–]ARUKET 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    I think I know which guy you might be referring to. What a strange coincidence that he has become the Satan of the secular world, eh? Very strange coincidence indeed.

    [–]Chaddeus_Rex 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Goebbels wrote a books imilar to that too. In fact he wrote the media playbook

    [–]root_pulp 10 points11 points  (6 children)

    Ben Shapiro has a great book on it as well called Prime Time Propaganda.

    [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 15 points16 points  (5 children)

    Makes sence, Ben Shapiro probably interviewed his cousins. I'm sure they're a great primary source for a book on Lugenpresse.

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      [–]modTheRedPike 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      Naughty mongoose. No cookie for you.

      [–]Black_m0ngoose 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Remove my comments that would get the sub in trouble- not worth the hassle and we're already under the magnifying glass.

      [–]modTheRedPike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Automod beat me to it. I was just giving you a hard time.

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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        [–]rahl_r 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        [–]VickVaseline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm confused. Trump doesn't have a mustache.

        [–]beginner_ 29 points30 points  (5 children)

        Feminism is simply a religion with a fat ugly woman as the godess and it's own commandments like:

        • Woman are pure and fragile
        • Woman earn less and you must do everything to change that
        • Masculinity is toxic and must be eradicated ...and so forth

        The moment you argue with a feminist, it't like arguing with religious people about whether god exists or not. It's futile and a waste of your time.

        Has Richard Dawkins made any dent into religion or creationists? No, he has not.

        Also the average media hipster and young blonde feminist journalist can't read that much text. The probably stop after the second paragraph because it's too demanding and too long. Can't you sum it up in a twitter message?

        [–]David-Eight 10 points11 points  (3 children)

        The number of religious people seems to be going down, so I'd say Dawkins has made a difference

        [–]fromthecrypt8 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Yeah, he may have had a preventative effect, but those who have already bought into religion deflects every piece of his logic. It’s the same with feminism, save for a few exceptional cases. Once a woman gets lured into feminism and brainwashed, oftentimes all the logic and evidence based arguments in the world can’t save her.

        [–]Troll_Name 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If Richard Dawkins is solely to credit for a single person leaving Christianity, then that person likely converted to the underworld sect of the apocalyptic vagina same-day. People don't convert from delusions-of-divinity to normalcy smoothly or easily just like people don't convert from incel to chad.

        [–]Troll_Name 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        so I'd say Dawkins has made a difference

        I've got a tiger-repelling rock to sell you; it works every place except for Asia and zoos.

        If you look at religious leaders the past 20 years, the reduction in religious following is already explained. The current pope demands sympathy for violent aggression, condemns self defense, commands people to give up their walls and guns, but has among the world's finest of both.

        Claiming to be a free-minded disciple of all science is just another religion. The norm for religion is for them to all act like they're somehow above the petty conflicts of the rest.

        [–]Troll_Name 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Has Richard Dawkins made any dent into religion or creationists?

        That's because Richard Dawkins is just another kind of uberpriest, and the dichotomy between science and religion is false. He's the messiah of fedora Shreks who regard his every word as above all questioning or criticism.

        [–]kasper138 13 points14 points  (2 children)

        The left use to be against religion; little did they know they were one.

        [–]Troll_Name 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Cults hate competition.

        [–]kasper138 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I feel like this would be a good name for a band.

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          [–]SolarWizard 9 points10 points  (2 children)

          Uhh... Maybe because the Incel subreddit was banned and so allowing the media to conflate them with us could result in TRP being banned as well? Isn't the whole point of OP's post to delineate the two?

          [–]Troll_Name 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The guild of eternal wizards is larger than people think. Vastly larger. Keep in mind that stereotypes color people's entire minds, and anything inconvenient to the narrative "does not exist" even if it's standing right in front of the teevee camera. When people think of "man" they think of a Disney Prince and when people think of "woman" they think of everything good a man ever dreams of getting from women. You show people the opposite, and it discomforts them so much that they can only get their mind back on track by hating you and holding a grudge.

          [–]iLLprincipLeS 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Yes the wage gap can be easily disproven but if Feminists accept the premise poof goes their funding.

          So what you're saying is that women should be paid nothing and work as slaves.

          [–]Troll_Name 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Conservatives believe people should be equal at the starting line. Liberals believe they should be equal at the finish line.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 108 points109 points  (13 children)

          I knew blood was on Reddit's hands the minute they closed down that sub.....There is no spot a man is allowed to have in the world where he can be accepted for being sexually unsuccessful, not even in an obscure part of the internet.

          These two sentences read better together rather than as bookends. Don't make the reader look for your brilliant conclusions. Tell them directly.

          They begin to over time understand that they are physically uncompetitive specimens, low status awkward outcasts or maybe self aware enough to realize they have significant personality disorders scaring women away.

          It is the personality disorders that are the problem. These guys (incels) are terribly mentally ill in many cases. Depriving them of all sources of succor and comfort is not exactly helping the problem. We literally just shit on these guys and expect there to be no reaction. I am amazed there have not been dozens of highly coordinated attacks. The only thing preventing it is these guys really are mentally ill and unable to pull it off. Elliot Rodgers couldn't even get into a sorority house. The girls only had to take one look at that fucker and said fuuuuuck no!

          you either can't understand your genetic advantages over these other men (incels) or you can't understand the mechanisms men use to compete with women

          Regarding the uber Alphas, I see this on Married Red Pill all the time in Modchat. These natural Alphas (Assholes) don't understand Incels any better than the girls. We get that these married Incels who are literally suffering from years and years of PTSD and they discover TRP/MRP and it melts their mind. Victim puke, boom! Banned. These are guys whose heart races to 190 when they even think about initiating with their frigid, harpy, screechtard wife and cry about getting shot down again by her but they are pounced on mercilessly. If they survive the barrage they are better for it but many do not.

          TRP's position is that a woman's arousal takes precedence over her responsibilities as a mother or her loyalty as a partner.

          I think you go to far. All TRP claims is the radical idea that women are heavily influenced by the tingles. This is what sets TRP apart from any academic subject, counseling, therapy, or social theory. There is NOTHING on female attraction in the academic literature. Like Shit Tests it is a gigantic gap. A deliberate hole created by Feminist Scholars and the left wing tilt of the academy. TRP has basically backwards engineered the tingles and incorporated it into male sexual strategy. As it turns out, once you have that down, all the other bad things women do seem to diminish greatly. Go figure.

          male incels often times have internal standards that are too high.

          This is their delusional mental illness. They worship women. I don't even think they imagine getting down and dirty with them. I think they jerk off to submission and femdom porn if anything because they would not be able to take a woman off her pedestal except to dust her feet.

          Their best case option is to pray that the woman that they marry doesn't cheat on them militantly and divorce them. They know in their heart of hearts it's unlikely they'll ever be a woman's number one.

          If they assortively mate (with 1's and 2's) like God intended then the woman would be unlikely to cheat. Even less if we reintroduced stoning at the city gates.

          Tell that to men who are 5'2" tall, who have tried speaking to a thousand women. Who are competing for a small subset of women who are that height or smaller, who are selecting men who are 6'0". Too bad, so sad, be more yourself, stop hating women, you aren't entitled to them. Die alone, loser.

          Fellow Mods, take note, This is what some guys are dealing with. it's one thing to say life isn't fair but some of these are completely ridiculous.

          I really think the solution is affordable prostitution.

          I had another neat idea earlier in light of the recent metoo scalps. Under the old law a person who falsely accused another was subjected to the same penalty as the accused faced. So if we make rape a capital crime- life in prison- then if a woman falsely accused a man she would face a penalty as onerous as life in prison. I propose the false accusers be put in the public brothels to be used by the Incells until they have paid their debt to society.

          There, I just solved TWO intractable social problems...

          [–]kasper138 52 points53 points  (8 children)

          I left a comment on inceltears saying "you are making fun of these people, they are autistic, it's like going to the special Olympics and booing". I got down-voted to hell(cause mah feels). Of course logic and reasoning seem to have no place on reddit which is why you have to unsub from every single default sub. These same people, specifically women, have these children who are boys. Boys they have spent a vast majority of their lives railing against and saying how toxic they are and all of sudden theirs is special. Their boy is special, he's so special he's autistic, but it's ok because he's mine and he's special. It's maddening the illogical minds of most people.

          [–]TheRealJesusChristus 31 points32 points  (4 children)

          Eech subreddit has its own narrative. If I go on TRP and comment under a random post that I would like to marry a woman and make her happy and the only way is to give her all my money and only get sex when she wants and starts... I get heavily downvoted. On most other subs I get upvoted.

          Yeah, I wouldnt word it that way, but you get the idea.

          If you go against the narrative you get downvoted, and what you did went against it. They dont listen or try to figure you out. They just see „thats against the narrative and I support the narrative. Downvote.“. Nothing more, nothing less.

          [–]Troll_Name 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Reddit's voting system is the ultimate human shepherd. Governments of the future will treat this website as a source of inspiration.

          You go on ANY popular sub and the first 50 visible replies to anything are a mass circlejerk of riding on each other's coattails for upvotes. It's like the Slashdot system but they only made things larger instead of better.

          That's what you're presented when you come here for social interaction, exchange of ideas, or just a last-ditch attempt at being able to relax at all in a day.

          [–]TheRealJesusChristus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Exactly and it will be called „Democracy 2.0“. Or something similar. Because „people can contribute their ideas freely and then other people are free to vote upon those ideas in a way which allows to determin what is popular and what not“.

          Or at least I hear politicians say so in my head already, lol.

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            [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            I left a comment on inceltears saying "you are making fun of these people, they are autistic, it's like going to the special Olympics and booing"

            The hamster is A-OK with booing the tards, as long as no one says anything about them booing at the tards. Honor is a male concept.

            [–]Troll_Name 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It's a masculine concept. Being conceived XY guarantees nothing but the challenge.

            [–]iLLprincipLeS 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            Depriving them of all sources of succor and comfort is not exactly helping the problem. We literally just shit on these guys and expect there to be no reaction. I am amazed there have not been dozens of highly coordinated attacks. The only thing preventing it is these guys really are mentally ill and unable to pull it off.

            All that's missing is a charismatic leader. 'Mohammed knew that most people are terribly cowardly and stupid. That is why he promised two beautiful women to every courageous warrior who dies in battle. This is the kind of language a soldier understands. When he believes that he will be welcomed in this manner in the afterlife, he will be willing to give his life, he will be enthusiastic about going to battle and not fear death. You may call this primitive and you may laugh about it, but it is based on deeper wisdom. A religion must speak a man's language.'

            [–]Troll_Name 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I really think the solution is affordable prostitution.

            It'll get automated before it passes the politician gauntlet. People will be dying left and right from intentional misuse of their own sexbots, and people will care exactly as much as they care about the same group of human beings today.

            [–]Guardian_of_Justice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I really think the solution is affordable prostitution.

            I propose the false accusers be put in the public brothels to be used by the Incells until they have paid their debt to society.

            U know what, i think you understand a lot. Albeit implementing all of your ideas would backlash, you know what has to be done to solve social issues like these +uncontrolled hypergamy. A good solution already exists: marriage and slut-shaming. Now this totally makes sense that religion played some part in restraining the animalistic, darwinian nature of mankind. The idea that we are all equal creations of God levels the competition and suppresses the AF/BB rule, thus equalising everyone's chances in life. This made me even more assured that religion is a human construct to enforce morality upon a group of apes that we are.

            But, morality does not come from god.

            [–]13139 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Like Shit Tests it is a gigantic gap.

            Peterson's 12 rules says something along the lines of shit tests are to humans what ritual fights are to animals, and that both men and women do it without having to be consciously motivated to do so.

            Perhaps shit tests re: women are an unexplored area, but men testing each other has bound to be well documented in science.

            It's such a basic thing.

            [–]BittyMitty 13 points14 points  (4 children)

            There was a quote:
            "You only have power over people so long as you don’t take everything away from them. But when you’ve robbed a man of everything he’s no longer in your power — he’s free again."

            So yeah, it's nice when they ask themselves, why these people don't act on the society imposed rules and go on a rampage.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 8 points9 points  (1 child)

            Right out of Fight Club:

            It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.

            [–]BittyMitty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn, was a Russian writer that criticized the communist regime and helped to raise awareness about the Gulag labor camps.

            I should have added the author to the quote.

            [–]Troll_Name 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            So yeah, it's nice when they ask themselves, why these people don't act on the society imposed rules and go on a rampage.

            Comfort.

            You can have food clothing shelter, telescreens, cigarettes and victory gin - not a damned thing else. Or you can go on a killing spree and trade all of that permanently for females writing you letters saying they want to bear your children. Some microscopic minority will make that trade, rest won't. Compare the absolute height of American spree killings (Obama administration) with the number of deaths from obesity.

            For as long as history has been written and preserved, great leaders have used comfort as a weapon. Comfortable people are 99.9999% less likely to overthrow your superstate from within.

            [–]UpbeatMasterpiece 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            Essentially, I am angry about the fact that we are just tax cattle for the government who use it to subsidise irresponsible women choices for fucking Chads and then ending up with a spawn. We get double-fucked: financially and being unhappy for being born unattractive. On the other hand, it is not government's fault women select men this way, so cannot be mad at it much as well...And it pays a lot more to participate in this society with its injustices than to go off the grid. Fucked no matter what one chooses...

            [–]Incel_Executioner 35 points36 points  (13 children)

            The divergence between our groups is the men here accept these facts and change how they compete. Many incels do not. Instead they use our content as a way to justify their misery, when most are physically able to compete, just lacking the strategy and mindset.

            It's a fair point to make. Many use incel as a crutch to avoid making effort. It's more comfortable. That's why the term truecel was introduced to distinguish from those who aren't "ugly enough" to be incel. Truth to told, I am hoping to be one of those incels.

            The part of your post regarding removal of the main incels sub and other incel subs which have been nuked despite no rule breaking really resonated with me. It certainly does feel like there is no home for incels. Reddit at large is too gynocentric. The braincels subreddit is brigaded 24/7 and modded by a woman of all things. TRP doesn't quite fit, especially with the sting of constant success stories from people with superior genetics. Other "lonely" communities like foreveralone have women, who can't be lonely the same way an ugly male can and spoil the "comradership" of bonding with your fellow subhumans.

            I don't feel like there is any good place for incels anymore

            [–]wayneinthegame 11 points12 points  (3 children)

            Yea they should have a place. Society in general wants to just ignore or destroy the ugly. Its fucked up. Its the actual reason behind all the school shooting.

            [–]Unrealenting 13 points14 points  (1 child)

            It's because women refuse to acknowledge what they find sexually attractive. "Nice guys" don't make good protectors or warriors and so their genes are usually discarded with each generation through female sexual selection.

            If a woman asks for relationship help she's encouraged and given nothing but positive feedback about how she's beautiful just the way she is. If a man asks for relationship help he's a predator looking for a victim and his failure is attributed to the idea that he is inherently, and often incurably, flawed.

            If we had positive male role models and identities for men it would decrease toxic masculinity, but as we all know the most powerful and resourceful people in media and in life are the drug kingpins, the cartel members, the mafiosos, the selfish tyrants, the super villains. Is it any wonder men emulate them? It's like these journalists look at the effect and never even bother to question or acknowledge the cause of these guys' mentalities.

            [–]Celicni 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            That really is the main problem. Being told all your life "being nice" and "respecting wamen" works and then it not working over and over and over while everyone else has success sucks. Fuck, some of us are just fucking autistic that we can't figure out real life ourselves, but boy are we great at following instructions, probably due to gaming.

            So TRP is heaven for us. Here's what to do, go fucking do it. And then it works. And life gets infinitely better.

            [–]Troll_Name 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Yea they should have a place. Society in general wants to just ignore or destroy the ugly. Its fucked up. Its the actual reason behind all the school shooting.

            Societies around the world have treated people far worse for far greater spans of time out of their lives, and doesn't/didn't have them rise up to kill their captors let alone swaths of random people.

            Here's some other variables at play in United States...

            1) Attention is the ONLY thing more highly valued than money. People spend their money on attention. People risk their lives or liberty for attention. What's the usual real motive behind school shootings? Motherfucking attention. Same reason bitches stay up all night flipping through Tinder.

            2) Every American or squatter in USA that makes it out of the womb is so powerful and lucky - barring extremely rare horrors like a Fritzl case or children with cancer - that they think they're the protagonist of an important story. Betas just think they're the protagonist of a sad story. When the story starts going against them and no easy solution is available, the morals people thought they had will be dropped in favor of playing to win. Trust a Jew before you trust a Greek before you trust a frustrated egomaniac.

            3) The US media NEVER blames the perpetrator. They blame society at large, they blame whomever they hate, they blame some other country the defense contractors are hoping to ignite soon; anyone trying to blame the criminal is publicly shamed. In most other countries the criminal gets put through hell on earth that would make typical US jails (not the worst landmark ones without protective custody) look like Disney World. The worst landmark US jails are still a cakewalk compared to the ones in metric land.

            Notice how I didn't need to attack the NRA in any portion of this. The NRA's purpose is keeping the KKK down through equal gun rights instead of guns for the white man and empty hands for his black neighbor; remove old solutions and you summon old problems back.

            [–]Chaddeus_Rex 4 points5 points  (6 children)

            4chan has quite a few. Also there was this wizard website. If youre a trucel, youd know what a wizard is

            [–]Incel_Executioner 6 points7 points  (5 children)

            R9K is not a proper place for incels. It's beta orbiter central with "fembots" getting metric tons of attention.

            [–]Troll_Name 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            It's beta orbiter central with "fembots" getting metric tons of attention.

            Thanks for the insight. I haven't checked that place out since moot deleted it in January 2011 but if it ever comes up in conversation I'll be sure to steal your memes.

            [–]anon35201 27 points28 points  (1 child)

            TRP is like Tesla, whenever anyone gets hurt, we have to have a huge dialog and it gets promoted to front page because the harm must be caused by the thing. If a black man, feminist or democrat is associated with a tragic outcome, its just not associated and wouldn't be news to outline the correlations.

            [–]TheRealJesusChristus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            If a person who belongs to a group which is supported by feminazis (race, gender, genderidentity, sexual orientation, etc) gets involved, its just „a normal person doing something wrong“ or sometimes even „the poor victim of society“.

            If a white male straight man who has once looked up stuff like trp or incels even uf he didnt like it, its „the misogonystic straight CIS asshole scum who did a violent crime to rage on society for not giving him sex for which he didnt do something to earn it“.

            Im not surprised.

            [–]1kevin32 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            One of the best essays for understanding incels I've ever read. A few days ago I informed my mods that we don't allow incel-shaming on our sub, and I summarized my perspective on the matter.

            When I make my announcement to our community, I will include your essay as recommended reading.

            [–]CreatedItJust2Saythi 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            "while men are polygamous, women are hypergamous"

            In fact male polygamy isn't a mere TRP intuition or recommendation; male polygamy is of a logical necessity, since if all women are to prefer and select Chad (hypergamy) then Chad will have to breed all women (polygamy).

            This is why plating, pre-selection, and everything male polygamy related is true and right.

            But, for men, there is an obvious downside to that "female hypergamy-male polygamy" order of the world: since females won't be shared among all males, competition for females will become necessary among males; there can only be 1 winner.

            This is why women get bombarded with messages on online platforms; men are just playing their "duty" of performance, that is, they're competing. And women are ok with male polygamy as long as he is Chad; women are real women as long as he is a real man.

            The way mother Nature programs male polygamy and "duty of performance" within your genes is a very simple mechanism: your sexual need. This is why sexual need is a male thing and women are the gatekeepers of sex: sexual need isn't a mere accident or unimportant attribute, sexual need is the intended mechanism mother Nature uses in order to induce male fight for females.

            This is why males hold the strong, superior, fighting attributes, and you'll only see stags fighting for hinds, not the other way around. The stag fit enough to stay well fed and strong along the year will win the fights.

            So remember, that irresistible sexual need you feel speaks to you about the polygamous and promiscuous condition of your male gender. And this is why promiscuity, n-count, polygamy, etc aren't sexy attributes in women.

            [–]iLLprincipLeS 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            I knew blood was on Reddit's hands the minute they closed down that sub.

            Couldn't agree more. It was basically an incel holocaust. Censorship is a form of bullying.

            As society becomes more connected globally and social media use increases - amplifying female narcissism, there will be an incel warrior ready for the beta uprising created every day, their righteous actions will become part and parcel of living in a big city.

            PS: if any "journalist" is interested in finding out one of the main causes of these happenings, consider that a lot of the perpetrators were raised by single mothers and or were bullied by females.

            [–]1Original_Dankster 30 points31 points  (6 children)

            A thorough and thoughtful post, but too verbose and theoretical to be TRP's one clear definitive post on the subject...

            Simply put for the noobs, journalists, visitors and gawkers: Red-pilled men and Incels are POLAR OPPOSITES.

            TRP teaches men how to change themselves to adapt to the sexual market.


            Incels make futile demands that the sexual market change to accommodate them.

            That is the difference.

            We took the red pill. They took the blue one, as they mistakenly believe that the world should somehow change for them.

            They feel entitled to immediate and eternal female affection, love and loyalty just for being themselves.

            We know we are entitled to nothing, that we must earn any affection we get and that love is conditional and that loyalty is fleeting... And we accept that without malice.

            [–]Icr711 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            Truth

            [–]Iwannachokekatie 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            Not really.

            The incels don't make futile demands that the smp change to accommodate them. They just can't really compete no matter what.

            [–]1Original_Dankster 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Elliott Roger (and the incels who idolize them, likely including Alek Minassian) believed the SMP should change. It was pretty explicit in his manifesto.

            I do get your point. There may be passive, resigned incels who accept their place in the SMP, though I would instead describe those men as celibate MGTOW - the core element of MGTOW is stoic acceptance, whereas those who adopt the identity of incel seem pretty angry and resentful at the world.

            [–]Iwannachokekatie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            I have never really encountered pro-violence incels. I don't go on 4chan and only visited sluthate way post Rodger. He was merely deranged. Rich and good looking but insane. Maybe I just don't notice as I stray away from incels for my own good.

            All most incels do is loathe the fact that they aren't chad or can't become one. I was very deep in the incel mentality and still partially am, but I never even thought about the smp changing. The incels can't compete in the smp and living with that while you see couples outside, porn and whatever is hell. Couple that with the fact that these loser guys get ostracized, I'm surprised there aren't more violent incels.

            [–]Rick_OShay1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Both sides are anti-New Age "marriage" though.

            [–]radicalizedIncel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            You guys are our polar opposite. We only overlap in our understanding of the female nature.

            [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (50 children)

            Excellent. I'm glad an endorsed contributor laid it out. This is a good summary of the Red Pill. Hell, you've even softened me a bit regarding incels. The whole point is spinning plates is tricky, and some men will never make the cut.

            That said, lift like your life depends on it. Even just a few months of lifting heavy has done wonders for me. On my hike today, getting great smiles from virtually every woman, I kicked around posting to asktrp.... but it's not a personal question... I really don't know what to say to those guys who will never be able to crawl out of the bottom 20%. Lifting and Game can vault an upper normal guy like me, but some guys are fucked. Better luck next time? It's rough.

            [–]Incel_Executioner 38 points39 points  (42 children)

            This is a rough pill to swallow. A black pill, if you will. I've been lifting for years, got good lifts like 220lbs x 10 bench at 180lbs. Muscular enough for people to randomly comment on it. I definitively get more respect from men automatically. But it's a flat line from women. There is no difference whatsoever between when I was benching a broomstick.

            TRP dogmas you describe, lifting and game, are invaluable tools for guys with average genetics. But they mean nothing when you've got the facial structure of an incel.

            [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (4 children)

            Shit man those are way better numbers than mine. This is my thinking.... to accept the Red Pill is to accept orderings of rank, which isn't too popular these days. To accept SMV is to accept there will be those who lose out. This kind of goes back to women, over all of the timescale of humanity, being more successful breeders.

            To be perfectly honest, I have plenty of sympathy for men who are totally fucked. I just don't know why they would waste time in a sexual strategy sub. Seems self abusive. To me, this sub is a band of men changing the rules.... my stock saying is "spinning plates is a rational response to hypergamy" and if you've not been at the receiving end of that, again, what use is this sub?

            That said, there is a rah rah..... hard edged, but rah rah nature of this sub which is impatient with excuses. The default is to be hard on complainers, because most men aren't working hard enough .

            [–]2Overkillengine 9 points10 points  (1 child)

            because most men aren't working hard enough .

            Like that dumbass that kept making accounts to endlessly whine about lack of intimacy and getting banned.

            They would blame their lack of success on anything other than them being a needy whiner, while ignoring the simple fact that if they channeled some of that effort they were devoting to whining into self improvement, they'd have far less reason to whine.

            It's such a consistent pattern that there really is no other reliable choice than to come down on that self-defeating bullshit like a ton of bricks.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            User name checks out.... we're on the same page, bro.

            [–]Iwannachokekatie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I just don't know why they would waste time in a sexual strategy sub. Seems self abusive

            Sexual strategy is hope for us 'lesser' men. It's really hard to accept being the unfit in the survival of the fittest game.

            [–]Incel_Executioner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Precisely. Ever since feminism we have returned to natural selection for mating. Someone must lose out and I have an uneasy feeling it might be me.

            [–]asdasda5453 9 points10 points  (29 children)

            if anything your now beta material when you were LDAR material, until you lose your gains or a more wealthy beta comes along.

            [–]Incel_Executioner 7 points8 points  (28 children)

            I don't think so. Women don't even want me to orbit them. I'm below cuck soyboys on the sexual ladder scale.

            [–]asdasda5453 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            if i had any say i would arrange you a wife inshallah incellah

            be like julaybeeb

            [–]ksatriamelayu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Indeed, the theory of war brides are made for people like @Incel_Executioner

            [–]1empatheticapathetic 4 points5 points  (17 children)

            What do you look like bro. I’m in the same boat as you. Just wondering how you must be if you are lifting sufficiently.

            [–]grewapair 9 points10 points  (7 children)

            That's kind of a nonsensical statement. Lifting works for some, not others.

            Lifting for us is like shoes for women. Women notice shoes, men don't really care. Shoes can "finish" a look for a woman, but they can't do anything for a fat one.

            It's the same for a guy with an ugly face, one who is short and not extremely attractive, etc. Lifting wont really overcome any of that. On the other hand, it can finish the look of someone tall or decent looking.

            If you look around at the guys who have the prettiest girls, very few of them lift. It's not the panacea it's made out to be here, but there are success stories if you're the right kind of guy.

            [–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (6 children)

            I was basically asking him to describe his worst self defined features and if lifting has not made up for them.

            [–]grewapair 7 points8 points  (5 children)

            I have an ugly face, but a gym perfect body. What has it done for me? Announce to the world that I'll try real hard, so any pretty girl looking to take advantage of a guy has zoomed right in on me. Otherwise, it hasn't helped at all.

            [–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Ha. Fantastic. Better than nothing I guess because you know they’re trying to take advantage.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            any pretty girl looking to take advantage of a guy has zoomed right in on me

            That sounds like it helps a lot. Now you have options. What are you going to do with them?

            [–]grewapair 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            Spend time and resources on a woman who will do nothing but try to use me?

            [–]Incel_Executioner 4 points5 points  (7 children)

            It's bad enough that I have not had a single inkling of interest from women at any point in life. Not during early adolesence where hypergamy isn't too bad. Before redpill or blackpill or post lifting. It's always been a flat line. Women either look at me with that mixture of disgust and pity or consider me an eunuch.

            [–]1empatheticapathetic -1 points0 points  (6 children)

            Well bro i have the same experience. But lets be real, i get looks from some fatties here and there. Can you say the same?

            It's hard to take at face value but frame is much more important than looks. I read this statement for years but only truly internalised it last year when i was on holiday. Gorgeous girls everywhere, i lifted, got nowhere with girls. The group i was with, all fucking obese. All alpha as fuck but obese as fuck. They all fucked on holiday because they truly did not give a fuck about anything. They woke up and did borderline homosexual 'pranks' because they simply just didn't care.

            One went up to a girl with her boyfriend and said "you're hot, lets fuck. your boyfriend can watch". Bf couldn't do shit to this guy and the girl was mega impressed. He fucked her later on in the day. I couldn't believe that shit.

            [–]Incel_Executioner 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I can say I haven't even had bottom of the barrel women show or return any interest. Ugly women have called me ugly to my face after I asked them out.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            But lets be real, i get looks from some fatties here and there.

            They are SETTLING for you and they don't really feel the same level of visceral lust.

            [–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            Makes no difference to me. It’s either a 0 or 1 value. Sex or no sex.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            cope

            and then that can end up in dbs very well.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Lol TRP is a fucking joke. You dimwits yell LIFT LIFT LIFT at the top of your lungs and probably even jack off to your muscles in the locker room daily.

            Face and height mean everything.

            [–]rainbowstalin1234 0 points1 point  (7 children)

            read through some o your posts and came across the guy who did 1000 approaches in 6 months.

            what about you, and maybe him too, learn an intstrument?

            and get like...really really good at it.

            like.. guitar or piano?

            guitarists are probably better as they can take their instrument everywhere.

            everyone knows how much musicians slay. so. . .why not just try that?

            [–]35yoGeneticTrash 3 points4 points  (6 children)

            Most of us do play instruments. I've been playing for 18 years. There's two submissions to our sub, one from a bassist and another a guitarist just to dispel the myth inceltears spread that incels don't have the dedication to learn an instrument.

            Over a decade ago I'd have argued guitar was great strategy but most 20 somethings don't give a shit about guitar players anymore and the market has taken notice. Gibson is in debt. Guitar centre is closing down. Mumble rap rules the charts.

            [–]ELMasTurbo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            so get into production. I play bass but also make beats and bitches love that shit. :)

            [–]rainbowstalin1234 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            damn, well in that case, if youre short, there's only one solution left.

            That is getting surgery to increase your height. I saw a news story on this once, where short guys get their legs broken and have some device surgically put in their legs to improve their height.

            pros: you can have whatever height you desire

            cons: its EXPENSVE and you'll be out of commission doing rehab for 6 months.

            so basically....$$$

            [–]35yoGeneticTrash 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            It's a pretty barbaric operation and you can never play sport or run again. Not worth it at 35. I'm 5'7" or 5'8" on a good day so I can just wear shoes with heels or thicker soles to get to 5'10". Not that it's ever helped as that puts you at the same height as an average height girl in heels.

            [–]rainbowstalin1234 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            ahh I see. Well the only thing id suggest is geo arbitrage downside to this is. .well you gotta be white although there are some countries where that doesnt matter.

            so, like go to SEA countries, especially thailand.

            Other than that, yeah If I were a super short guy, Id just make lots of money, go to SEA, and maybe go to amsterdam and pay for it.

            [–]35yoGeneticTrash 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            White & cashed up no problem. Where I'm from the whole thailand dating game is not looked at pretty fondly and is considered to be the domain of creepy pedophiles. :/ But eh, we're already considered to be trash so what's the worry in caring what other people think?

            [–]Chaddeus_Rex 10 points11 points  (1 child)

            Convert to islam. Srs. Islam is a huge help for incels.

            [–]1Original_Dankster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This is good advice... Islam would be a good choice for incels. And I reluctantly say that as a man who absolutely despises that religion.

            I guess it has one thing going for it at least...

            [–]monadyne 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            Having a ripped body is but one factor. What else attracts women? Humor, for one thing. Money-- as a measure of success. Showing supreme self-confidence. Having a swaggering style. Having the IDGAF attitude, where you imply that you don't give a shit whether a woman likes you or not. (Independence from outcomes.) And FUN. If you're someone doing fun things, having fun in the moment, not being serious... women are attracted to that because they want to have fun, too. There's a lot you can do to improve your game.

            [–]Incel_Executioner 9 points10 points  (1 child)

            Frame and not giving women tons of attention is the one piece of advice thrown around here that's confused me. I can't shower women with attention because they don't want my attention in the first place. I'm too low on the SMV ladder to even be allowed to be a beta orbiter. What's the point of holding frame if women don't even want you to enter their frame or give a shit if your frame is good?

            Being ugly seems to override everything. I've seen guys with fuck all frame who have never seen the inside of a gym get laid. Guys who were pathetic and whiny who got oneitis for any girl that showed them attention. Everything incels are sterotyped for as the root cause of their celibacy, but without the ugly.

            [–]TheShearerComplex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            It means your not putting enough effort in to improve yourself.

            You say you hit the gym well done. But how many girls have you honestly approached in the last month?

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Lifting, frame and game are even more invaluable for guys with below average genetics.

            [–]EminemLovesGrapes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Yep, it all depends how lucky you are with your face and your body structure.

            I might not have a super wide jawline, but my face is.... clean. No acne, no weird proportions(giant nose, flat eyes) etc etc. So I'm lucky on that.

            But my body is an ectomorph(ie. bruce lee) and i'm 5"6. Bruce lee with clothing? Don't even see the guy is ripped. I will have that too. But the benefits still outweigh the negatives for me,

            If you've been genetically gifted when it comes to your body shape, sometimes all you do need to do is lift. And sometimes your face looks so terrible that even when you lift, you still look awful. Tough shit.(look up gymcel).

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 5 points6 points  (5 children)

            lift like your life depends on it.

            90% of these damn incels could build a ripped body in six months. Every one of the killers has been perfectly fine physically and could have learned how to pull even being spergs. The problem is that society covers it up. Who is telling the truth to men and boys? Nobody. They are covering it, deleting MGTOW content, and make no mistake. Red Pill is in their sites.

            Paul Elom notes all the shooters were on the Asperger's spectrum and all were denied access to their fathers and raised by a congo line of men or in the case of Nicholas Cruze (Marjory Stoneman) he was raised by another man who died in the boys teenage years. I guess that was strike two and all of saw strike three.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I have all my favorite manosphere pages saved, not bookmarked, in case things get shut down. I'll be happily spinning plates for decades to come, while subtly spreading the word.

            I got here like most dudes, after a long term relationship ended.... it's hard to overstate how much gratitude I have towards this source of information on a better life for men. The kicker is it's better for women, too.... I'm no longer making promises I don't know if I'll keep, I just stroke the Tingle generator and have a good time.

            As to the incels....I agree with your comment here. I think men have a moral duty to improve. I'm not a religious man, far from it, yet it's men striving that has built everything around us. I judge men as much on effort as ability and save the worst of my scorn for men of high ability but low effort.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Well, TRP is better for 18-29 year old women anyways. It’s crushing depression, regret, and bitterness for post wall women.

            [–]Rick_OShay1 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Red Pill is in their sites.

            Their websites? Or did you mean "sights", like they are aiming at this place, targeting it?

            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Yes, "sights."

            -They are covering it up, deleting MGTOW content, and make no mistake Red Pill is in their sites.

            The "They" are the SJW's and others who police social media, delete accounts and content, and so on. Red Pill is in their sights and they are taking aim like a sniper trying to prevent men from getting this information by calling the truth "misogyny." Problem is they are not all wrong. The truth about female nature is very misogynistic indeed.

            [–]Rick_OShay1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I must slightly disagree; as "misogyny" means "hatred of women". Telling the truth is NOT hateful.

            Lying about someone is hateful. Even if it's beautiful lie.

            In Germany, all they need to suppress male voices is to falsely accuse them of being Nazi.

            [–]Brazilian_Slaughter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I don't spin plates, but its out of option and Christian morals. I do keep in contact with potential plates, so that when it ends, I have new gals available

            [–]Ezaar 12 points13 points  (0 children)

            I think the driver for change does come from within, but it’s a difficult journey to actually see it in right context. Proper guidance and willing to see the change and do the work is necessary.

            It’s tough for me to realize the state of which these men are in, but i suspect the vast majority aren’t necessarily willing to do the work to actually understand the mechanics of arousal let alone even begin to understand themselves.

            Some of this TRP information blows my fucking mind and makes me sick to my stomach, I wish it weren’t true, but god damn does it make sense and I fucking feel it.

            I personally think individual consideration and self understanding might help remedy the situation as well as understanding the “game” mechanics, but you gotta want otherwise don’t complain.

            Great post and thanks for breaking this down.

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            [–]strikethrough123 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            Absorb TRP as quickly as possible and get out of here. It's only a matter of time before everyone starts getting DOXed to the witch hunt.

            Slippery slope? We shall see.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Yea I’ve been wondering if it’s actually safe anymore to be associated with conservative causes online. Should probably use a separate anonymous email account even though reddit is supposed to be anonymous.

            [–]strikethrough123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The switch Hunt has already begun.

            [–]Banned-in-Boston 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            How about this meme:

            Legal prostitution cures Incels.

            [–]Slipstream17X 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            This is the best explanation of the issue I have read to date. Far, far superior to anything I’ve read in mainstream media.

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            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            If we call ourselves Muslims will they leave us alone?

            [–]ShotgunTRP 14 points15 points  (2 children)

            You make a lot of good points.

            The problem with this article is there is way too many words for a lazy 21st century internet journalist to bother plowing through

            To make the message clearer, you need to condense the length of this article. Write for your intended audience, which as you advertise is lazy 21st century internet journalists who skim an article quick for some word-bytes to cherry pick click-bait from

            [–]anonlymouse 10 points11 points  (1 child)

            This is stupid. It's not that they're incapable of understanding it. It's that their salary depends on not reporting on any of the content in an honest fashion. You can try to condense it, and you'd get nothing.

            [–]ShotgunTRP 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            This is stupid. I never said they’re incapable of understanding the message. It’s that the message is drowning in deep coherent thoughts when the intended audience is looking for quick bytes of information that is easily digestible.

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

            I like this post but as other people have said or implied, this isn't some "misunderstanding" that can be corrected by denouncing incels or clarifying what TRP is all about. Leftists will jump at any opportunity to further demonize average white men, and incels are a perfect chance to do that.

            Notice how, despite apparently being against bigotry to the tune of denouncing any criticism of Islam based on the countless global terrorist attacks committed in the name of Islam, suddenly every incel and every red piller should be on a terrorist watch list because of something one autist did in Toronto?

            Also where's all the librul sympathy for this guy? He's a liberal bleeding heart sob story if I've ever seen one. But he's the wrong race (or at least associated with the wrong race, I don't think he's even technically white lmao). If it was a black guy then systemic white racism would be blamed, he'd by a "good boy, dindu nuffin, the evil system pushed him over the edge" but since he wasn't, instead he's painted as pure evil and any and all like him are now also evil.

            Libs dont have principles. Libs dont care about right or wrong or making anyone's lives better. They just care about spouting platitudes like that in order to further their own goals and destroy their enemies, which is us.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I don’t know how anyone could be red pill and liberal. Everything you said is 100% correct. Being a liberal today requires believing so many contradictory things at the same time. It’s legit 1984.

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            [–]UpbeatMasterpiece 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            Ironically, the genetic shown my genes are not bad at all. But it is not whole picture and plenty is not sequenced. So maybe bad genes are in non-sequenced ones. I find it very difficult to believe it is my genes though. My brother is like a 7, and I am a 4 so there is that ...

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              [–]UpbeatMasterpiece 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              My Testosterone levels are in 850s. I was not checked for the macro and micro nutrients though. Should give my doctor a ring and ask I guess.

              [–]slashaceman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              The thing I've never understood is why women, generally as a whole, continue the facade of "I don't care about money or biceps! I just want a funnnnnny guy!".

              Right...of course you do sweetie. Wouldn't women be happier and ultimately better off if they dropped this thinly veiled lie (I assume to try to trick morons into believing they aren't slaves to their nature. but really, are the stupidest among us really falling for it?) and just said "Yeah, I want a dude who works out, is masculine, and fun to be around".

              No man ever says "I'm tired of attractive skinny women with big tits. I just want a nice, overweight, divorced 45 year old with 3 kids".

              seems so silly to actively encourage the opposite sex to become the opposite of what you really want.

              as for the incels...can't someone just go create a new website with a forum? bam, community restored (and herpes.....although probably not herpes b/c that would require women to be around).

              [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I've seen posted around reddit recently that we're starting to get grouped in with the incels

              TRPers are oversexed virgins.

              [–]3LiveAFTSOV 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              F f****** brilliantly written

              [–]CraftyAd0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              You really expect anyone to read all that shit?

              Most sincere tl;dr ever.

              [–]Black_m0ngoose 2 points3 points  (6 children)

              The SMP was normally limited by logistics back in the day. Many women had to settle with the men that were within walking distance of their childhood homes.

              The homogenization through the use of social media and access to vehicles has allowed the SMP to transcend the confines of their local areas and access partners in any area on the globe.

              Basically- any man who is not able to break the top percentile of men will not have the priviledge of having children and a relationship... in any format. Period.

              Strap yourselves in boys- it's going to be akin to the walking dead in the next 20 years if the world cannot control the 80% of men who are genetically doomed. They won't take it lying down- that's not how evolution works.

              [–]slashaceman 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              well wait, there's always the 2-3 out of 10's. I see them with what one might consider stereotypical incels all the time, often with kids. they'll have kids, just not with genetically desirable women.

              [–]krustywazoo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              I see it, too. 2-3s out of 10 males with partners in the same level of attractiveness, sometimes with kids.

              Makes me wonder if some incels are waiting for an 11/10 virgin to just fall on their lap, instead of dating in their range or improving themselves. That's a topic for another post, though.

              [–]slashaceman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I think it's just incels not having enough self awareness and/or being too under the blue pill spell (ie I'm a gentleman, wear a fedora, cultured, and know the ways of the blade. why are the bitches not flocking?).

              JD from the howard stern show, if anyone is familiar, is a prime example of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k88gnqstNFY

              this guy would always hold out for the "hot" chicks and could never get them, even with the help of one of the most powerful men in the entertainment industry. Youtube "JD vs jared" for a highly entertaining dose of red pill antics and incel thinking.

              [–]krustywazoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yeah, I'm willing to bet it's a lack of self awareness, or generally not thinking it through.

              First I've heard of JD. Prime example of what we're talking about though!

              [–]AnteesAntaas 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              if the world cannot control the 80% of men who are genetically doomed.

              By genetically doomed, do you mean won't breed?

              If so, isn't that taking the pareto principle way too literally? Even in the current climate, a lot more than 20 % of men will have children.

              [–]Black_m0ngoose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              To err on the side of caution simply means that we become better human beings.

              To throw caution to the wind means death, along with most of Western Civilization.

              I'll stick with improving myself. Like I said, technology has allowed this bubble to grow disproportionately. We'd of had a war 20 years ago to thin the herd, if not for nuclear weapons.

              [–]TehSleepless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              You absolutely nailed it, fantastic essay.

              [–]2Dmva100 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Sticky

              u/TheRedPike ...

              [–]modTheRedPike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Weird. I didn't' get the tag. I should have. Stay tuned, i have an announcement coming.

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              [–]modTheRedPike 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              No hotlinking subs.

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              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Well you have to have something to offer and then dangle the LTR in front of your plates. The article clearly states this as the "strategy" of TRP and I'd agree.

              [–]Helpcalculus 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Did someone shoot up the school again? I can't find anything on the news.

              [–]H42 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              Toronto. Van mows down pedestrians. 10 killed. Incel driver blamed.

              [–]Helpcalculus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Thx for the info.

              [–]DrBalance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              No one will read this who isn't already 110% convinced sadly. But they do have the choice.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This should go on the nyt editorial page, the whole thing.

              [–]VickVaseline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I don't know what the media will get out of this, but I certainly got a lot out of it. I wish this had been the first post I read when I discovered this sub.

              Thank you.

              [–]nofilmynofucky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is one of the best posts I've seen on TRP, and certainly the best post I've seen that addresses the plight of the common incel

              It's a real pity that it will fall on deaf ears. I'm not personally sure of what horrors will be necessary before society as a whole makes an effort to understand and accommodate for uncomfortable truths that anyone on this sub is already aware of, but I do know that it won't involve rational, reasoned debate and explanation.

              [–]i_amtheice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Might be smart to add this to the sidebar for the time being.

              [–]THOT_Analytica 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The weaponization of incel discussion into a psychic assault meme is like the release of chemical weapons onto the battlefields of WWI Europe. We are about to glimpse the logical evolution of the meme war

              [–]rudra_1793 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              If you visit this sub , even on weekly basis , the least you would gain is good writing skills . Quality information here but if you have swallowed the pill you know its all about action .

              [–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I thought this was gonna to be your average "we are better than them" article but I was pleasantly surprised, good job...

              [–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              People need to remember that the tying of incel to violent attacks is neither based on fact nor even realistic. Its all about propagating the narrative, and 4chan is laughing all the way with this along with the ok sign

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              It seems so bizarre that there are one or two incel related incidents and the left is ready to declare war on them, but yet they continue to deflect and deny that Islamic terrorism is anything more than they acts of a few deranged individuals. How can people stand this hypocrisy? I just don’t see how western democracy can survive these ever increasing levels of insanity. Like at some point we have to reach a breaking point, don’t we?

              [–]Persaeus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              100 megaton truth bomb. nice Sado

              one question:

              To be clear, such a thing can never be possible. If it were, women could circumvent evolution itself.

              how would women circumvent evolution?

              [–]TheRailTracer1930 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              "Autistically clear" I like an oxymoron

              [–]throwawaydefriended -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

              I feel like OP has never actually seen the Incels sub.

              [–]futmut -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              " More or less, they begin to understand how useless they are within the system. This concept here is called "male disposability." And that even if they were to become more attractive through significant effort and sacrifice, that they could still lose a significant portion of their life in the event the relationship fails, leaving them on the hook for child support or losing assets. ''

              Doesnt this applies to every dude on this sub? I swear some of you guys are beyond retarded, no logic in there just female hamstering ''im a RPiller so im not like those guys, im improving myself to a HIGH BETA but im not like those guys im better...

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