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Blue Pill ExampleSitting in a girls living room while she is denying she is with anyone to her boyfriend (self.TheRedPill)

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Disclaimer: if this post doesn't seem useful please feel free to delete it mods. I'm doing my best here.

I'm currently waiting this out so thought I would post how powerful the red pill is to us guys. I just slept with an ex who has a boyfriend, and he showed up banging on the door a few minutes ago because he suspected she was lying to him. She didn't answer the door so now I'm sitting in the living room listening to their conversation on the phone.

She is vehemently denying that she is cheating on him. The real lesson here doesn't have anything to do with the girl, but the head space that this other guy is in. According to what the girl told me in the last 24 hours, he has been suspecting foul play for the last two weeks.

If you're new to the red pill, and even if you're not, most of us can probably relate to this guy. He's dating a girl, she is kinda into him (but only out of convenience for her -- she just likes being with someone). She has lied to him several times in front of my face. Now they're talking on the phone and I'm sure she's gonna convince him to stay with her. This girl is hot, and according to her he is pretty head over heels for her while she isn't for him. The poor guy locked down (or so he thought) some hot pussy and is terrified to give it up. He's showing up at her place unannounced.

The most powerful thing I've learned here at the red pill is not to pursue women that aren't head over heels for you. I've tried to pursue girls that weren't excited about me because I thought they were 10's, and you end up like this guy. Don't be that guy, you can't negotiate honesty and fidelity.

Edit: put the power in your own hands.


[–]Lavlamp 454 points455 points  (57 children)

From Mark Mason's blog

The Law of “Fuck Yes or No” states that when you want to get involved with someone new, in whatever capacity, they must inspire you to say “Fuck Yes” in order for you to proceed with them.

The Law of “Fuck Yes or No” also states that when you want to get involved with someone new, in whatever capacity, THEY must respond with a “Fuck Yes” in order for you to proceed with them.

-Adapting this mentality keeps you focused on your mission. Time is too valuable to waste on the undeserving.

[–]Docbear64 124 points125 points  (7 children)

Polarization is the greatest time saver in gauging how a person truly feels about / values you . It changed my world to understand that women who are into you are into you right now and the ones who are lukewarm / not that interested will be more than happy to let you work for their attention and time .

Once you meet women who are in that " Fuck Yes " group of interest you see how pointless it is to chase the " Fuck No " or " Meh" responders .

[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 63 points64 points  (5 children)

Once you meet women who are in that " Fuck Yes " group of interest you see how pointless it is to chase the " Fuck No " or " Meh" responders .

Most of this sub wastes way too much time chasing the "Meh" group. So much effort wasted, the "fuck yes" group shit tests you only every so often coz they can't afford for more. Why bother?

[–]Gallobrax 17 points18 points  (1 child)

A very interesting observation. I've actually taken step back from this sub as of late as (I felt I was becoming too cynical) and your comment articulates why very well. For many we are chasing what does not exist. Furthermore, we encourage an existence which is entirely self dependant. Sure you'll get laid but you miss put on what is really the point of all of this work - potential partnership. Incidently, once you start going after these fuck yes women you start to realize that this goal isn't some blue pill bullshit either: it's a situation you create. Same rules apply, and you have to be ready to walk from anything but again if your just looking for sex why bother? That's easy. This is why I think a lot of us keep having to get wiped off the floor. TRP is only a roadmap. Individually you have to do the rest. That means finding a woman who is willing to follow and learn, being open to being wrong yourself and most importantly never sacrificing yourself entirely for a woman - If you don't feel it Next her; Not now but right now.

[–]Tsdave81 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This right here is you being sent to the friend zone but really you weren't ready for them in the first place. You want to relate but get stepped on In The same process. TRPTruth. FuckYes or FuckNo

[–]greenlittleman 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I don't think so. Most girls are changes after sex with you from "meh" to "fuck yes", so if you haven't fucked girl yet, you can proceed with her for some time you can afford to waste (usually 1-2 meetings is more than enough). Best thing to "pull" girls from "meh" to "fuck yes" isn't being nice and kind, but being "polarizing", in other words doing things you want to do, but which she can possibly dislike.

[–]Otter_Limits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most of this sub wastes way too much time chasing the "Meh" group.

Why bother?

My guess it that a guy considers himself a "real alpha" when he is pulling the "impossible girl", the kind of woman that has a reputation for saying "No", regardless of the guy. If you can get with a woman willingly, even when she would ordinarily be against it, you must be hot sh*t. What guy doesn't want to go through life, knowing he got the girl no one else could?

The bigger the obstacle, the better the payoff.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (13 children)

Yup I have read this also. For me, particularly, this has been one of the most important pieces of advice. Too many times I chased hot bitches and made myself a chump.

[–]In33dmon3yz 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Preach Brother i am Recovering From One of Those. She was Head over heals in the beginning tho but i fucked up somewhere

[–]Itsgeneticsbruh 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You showed her that you where Head over heals for her. At that point the game was over. Im going through something similar, and that's how I see it. Live and learn.

[–]Shaney96 6 points7 points  (2 children)

She wants to chase you. Once she knows she's gotten you, and you almost succumb to her, then the excitement she gets from the partnership/relationship/whatever-the-fuck is gone.

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    [–]calibeachgod420 26 points27 points  (3 children)

    This reminds me of that quote from Stefan molyneux "Be so fucking great that they can't say no"

    [–]dialecticwizard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Be so fucking great, it does not bother you what anyone says as you know you're a winner..

    [–]Lavlamp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Great quote, hits the nail on the head

    [–]calibeachgod420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Stefan molyneux is really good at putting things in perspective.

    [–]Andgelyo 9 points10 points  (4 children)

    Time is too valuable to waste on the undeserving

    Completely agree with you. Got an Egyptian girl’s number on tinder and we hit it off immediately. Flirted, texted sexually, and spoke on the phone for about 2 weeks. We had arrangements to even fuck later on this month(because I’ll have a open crib). I decided to meet up with her for some hot chocolate yesterday in NYC. Met her up and she turned out to be the biggest fucking cunt I’ve ever met. The whole time talking to me she was texting on her phone, forgetting details I had to mentioned to her like 5 times, and had a conversation with her gay friend in front of me. Not to mention she was about 30lbs heavier than she looked. Perhaps my SMV wasn’t high enough for her to be interested, or maybe she’s just naturally a cunt. But at that point,I decided I’m not going to tolerate a disrespectful bitch, let alone sleep with one. Ended the date early, she even said to me “Be honest, are you not enjoying the time spent with me” and I made up some excuse about leaving early to meet up my brother. I had to decency to walk her back to the bus. She texted me later saying “ had a lot a of fun with you, I’ll text you when I get home”. Never replied back to her. I’m not wasting my valuable time on disrespectful fat cunts.

    [–]Gwoas 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    “Be honest, are you not enjoying the time spent with me”

    Oh God, what an arrogant thing to say. If she wasn't DTF at the end of the date, she played with you the whole time. Definately dodged a bullet.

    [–]Andgelyo 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    She was/is DTF I’m pretty sure. She just texted me 5 min ago wearing her work outfit showing off her curves saying “Meeting ready 🤓”. Lmao as if all that shit will counter what she did. I’ve made up my mind already, I will not fuck her based on the disrespect she showed me. As a man, I won’t tolerate it, and I’m already in the works of talking to more women on Tinder. Our greatest power is the ability to walk away. Fuck that hoe!

    [–]Gwoas 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Or you could also decide to fuck her without any kind of concern. "So, are we gonna fuck or what ? If not why are you still talking ?".
    If she disrespected you, no reason not to treat her like a bitch and still get an easy lay out of it.

    [–]Unstoppable316 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Agreed. OP isn't fucking her bc she's fat, not because of disrespect.

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      [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      In lieu of improving your SMV, you have a choice then, don't you? Turn down the lights and navigate a wet, warm hole that is going to be a whole like any other wet, warm hole. Or you can jerk off to barbie doll porn.

      [–]Lavlamp 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Status, wealth, looks. Focus on your strengths but balance your weaknesses. Bring up that smv and stop giving a fuck what women think. They're just bitches. When you stop needing them they start needing you.

      [–]GettingShitTogether_ 1 point2 points  (7 children)

      Question: so how does one truly get to getting a girl to give you that fuck yes? I get the concept just not how to put it to practice.

      [–]Lavlamp 13 points14 points  (5 children)

      Be a man. Be the greatest fucking man you can be, fuck everything else. The rest will fall into place. I just got out of a LTR and hit monk mode in November. Lost ten pounds, got my abs back, invested in some new clothes and a good haircut, and said fuck dating. Two plates have literally fallen into my lap this month without even so much as a cold approach. Status, wealth, and physical looks are the three things they are after, play to your strengths but also bring up your weaknesses. When you stop believing you need women they start believing they need you.

      [–]Shaney96 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      "When you stop believing you need women they start believing they need you."

      Nicely said. I've recently gotten out of an LTR and am in the best shape of my life. My question: I still have trouble with sexual expression. I've only been with one girl so, although I want to continue working on myself, I find that I still feel my weakness is with girls. I live in a small town and work with only males, so it's not all the opportunistic.

      Monk mode until back at Uni while only gaming at weekends..?

      [–]Lavlamp 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      How old are you? Are you comfortable spending long periods of time alone? Have hobbies you are passionate about? Do you have a general idea of what your mission is? Are there any big towns you could hit on the weekends? Playing the dumb out of towner is a great way to meet women. I use to drive over to our sister city every so often and crash at random girls places I met before hand online. Great reminder actually, I might look into starting doing it again.

      Keep that positive self growth attitude, it will get you far in life. Study day game and keep active. Go to local meet ups, become active in your community, give back. Try meeting women while doing your hobbies, they will be much higher quality than bar sluts. The older I get, the less appealing LTRs are to me, and the more appealing spinning plates is.

      I had to give up things like gaming completely, it dissasociates me from reality and I loose too much focus and mental clarity. Everyone is different though, this is just my personal weakness which I recognize and deal with.

      [–]Shaney96 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I'm 21 and am currently doing a year out of Uni working as a 'technical intern' (software developer basically) in a small town. The 'problem' is that I don't see myself doing this after I finish Uni, so I see some futility in my 9-5, which has caused me to feel like I've lost my sense of direction.

      A passion would be clothing/fashion and guitar.

      A couple of months ago I headed to my Uni town with just a rucksack and a sleeping bag, with the intention of sleeping on a bench if I didn't pull. Fortunately I met an old friend who let me stay on her couch. I didn't pull that night. I've been advised on TRP that doing that probably wasn't the smartest since, when I'm talking to girls, I'll probably sub-communicate neediness since it's like "I need to pull tonight or else I'm on a bench". This would be a more viable option if I was more comfortable with my sexuality and was more comfortable just going to clubs solo and hitting on girls, unfortunately even dancing with a random girl in a club intimidates me a lot.

      The only actual thing on meetup.com is a meditation class once a week, which has like 4 or 5 middle-aged people who go per week, and that literally is it. I have however managed to cultivate something of a small group of friends/acquaintances by going out and slowly getting to know more and more of this friend group. I've also started BJJ which, although all male, I believe will produce a friend or two.

      I haven't gamed in over a year. After work I head back to the gym to finish my workout, cycle home then cook, then either chill out for the evening (read TRP, YouTube, practice guitar) or will be playing 5-a-side or going to BJJ.

      I am looking forward to getting back to Uni in September, but I would like to actually fuck a girl or just have opportunities with women beforehand. Being in a small town where everyone's out in groups, where there's not many students (all college or working in supermarkets etc.) makes things nice little challenge.

      [–]Lavlamp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Don't feel bad about exploring options, life's road isn't a paved highway, hell it isn't even a road most of the time. There are bumps and turns, the important thing is to correct yourself when you get too far off course. A year is nothing, I spent a decade doing all Sorts of jobs that have nothing to do with my career. They all helped shape me into who I am today. Good and bad, you learn lessons every day.

      Are there any other towns or cities near by? Bjj is great, I met a lot of my closest friends and quite a few flings through a local muay thai/bjj gym. Great for the mind body and soul.

      Opening groups can be easy if you open all the friends first. The girl I picked up Friday night was out with her class celebrating the end of their course. She was the only girl, so I got in with all her friends. By the end of the night one of them actually told me it was my job to go fuck her good, can't make this shit up.

      [–]BJJTallon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I genuinely think BJJ can increase someone SMV quite a lot. You have a sense of brotherhood and bitches love men that can wrestlefuck someone 😂

      [–]yomo86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You will never get a straight 'fuck yes' until you fucked her.

      Fucking is the only threshold girls have anymore these days. If the both of you haven't fucked each other she will be able to drop you in an instant. This is also why high n-counts are bad for women, they cannot measure their level of emotional investments anymore it's either fuck | no fuck. No first date, no first kiss, no holding hands. Just fuck | no fuck.

      The 'fuck yes', beforehand, comes in disguise of unsolicited genuine contact or even small gifts. She is asking you about your day unsolicited? It's a fuck yes. She calls instead of texting, fuck yes. She makes moves so you can easily set up a date and plausible deniability for her? Fuck, yes. She says you don't get laid with her tonight? Fuck, yes.

      [–]wsba910am 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      i think this is why i have not yet been promoted where i want to at work. i don't exude this enthusiasm. this ferocity

      [–]Lavlamp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's all about the energy man! I've run a few social experiments for myself guaging how people treat me based on how I dress, act, and both. Whether you are dealing with men or women, dress your best and be happy to be doing whatever is in front of you. People will treat you different- you will get away with more and get further in life

      [–]billsmashole 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      I like this law and agree with it if by involved you mean ltr. Because sometimes I just want to have sex with a girl for a while and I'm not worried about how we feel about one another.

      [–]Lavlamp 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      These words come straight from the blog, so they are not my own. Take them as you will, there is no guaranteed right answer. If you are both benefiting from relationship and you are receiving equally or greater than her than sure. Just remember women won't let you keep an even playing field, someone is always benefitting more from a relationship be it LRT or FWB

      [–]billsmashole 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I agree with that. I suppose the whole point is to not let women treat you like crap no matter what because there's a better one (or 3) out there.

      [–]Lavlamp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Hell ya. You are a man, the only creature on this planet of achieving greatness. A rock capable of withstanding even the greatest (emotional) ocean swells. You are the prize and you alone decide who gets to bask in the glory that is you.

      [–]suxxos 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      The Law of “Fuck Yes or No” states that when you want to get involved with someone new, in whatever capacity, they must inspire you to say “Fuck Yes” in order for you to proceed with them.

      Yeah, the problem is, it doesn't happen that often for the "Fuck Yes" to be mutual. I'd say this is one of the main problem with romantic relationships. And you may say "girls are hypergamous", but, to an extent, we all are. When you see a super hot girl, you're going to get hard, even if you are a 4/10 yourself. And of course you're going to be more attracted to her than to another 4/10. But it's unlikely for the super hot chick to be into you, no matter what you do. So unless you are really lucky and find someone both attractive and attracted to you, following this Law of Fuck Yes might make you an incel for life.

      [–]Lavlamp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      There is no right or wrong answer here, but you are over thinking this. No matter how high your smv is, unless you are some famous movie star or billionaire the odds are always going to be stacked against you.

      Just because someone isn't falling head over heals for you doesn't mean you can't have a good time with them, but I will never invest more into a relationship than the women. 35% tops. I will also never again begin a LTR with someone who isn't more into me than I am them. This is the key to the point, don't let some chick hold the power in your relationship. It will never last unless you are willing to walk away, she WILL get bored.

      [–]Lavlamp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Also, I can see how "in whatever capacity" can make this seem like an absolute, but really all it is saying is that if some chick is taking two hours to reply to your texts, isn't able to give diffinitive plans, hums and haws your questions, and isn't putting in ATLEAST as much as you are, then next that bitch.

      [–]itsjustsimon- -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      That sounds great on paper but some guys SMV will never reach a point where they will get a “fuck yes” response from any girl or at least not from the one they would like to fuck.

      Edit: spelling

      [–]Lavlamp 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      No one will ever get a fuck yes from everyone. Good thing there are billions of bitches on this planet though, right?

      Edit: fuck this actually. If I can get a kid with fucking cerebral palsy laid and even married, there's no reason anyone does can't. Strive greatness, be a fucking man, stop caring what women think and quit putting them above or even on the same level as you. Bring up your smv by focusing on your looks, status and wealth. Play to your strengths but balance your weaknesses, we all have them. Do all this and not only will you get laid, but you won't care if you get laid, which will make you ironically get laid even more.

      [–]joikol -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

      What if no one ever says that to you?

      [–][deleted] 105 points106 points  (3 children)

      I have never actually had a guy banging on the door of a room I was in but I have been the guy in a girl’s bed as she declares to her boyfriend/ husband that she is “at her friend’s place”. I avoid girls in relationships, there are enough single girls out there yet some of these girls are total fucking liars. They tell you they are single then next thing you know they are on the phone to some dude lying their ass off. They lie to me, they lie to them. Utterly fucking shameless. They even roll their eyes while they are talking to the guy as if to say “I can’t believe he doesn’t trust me”. They live in a world of make believe.

      [–]Gallobrax 27 points28 points  (0 children)

      Just don't forget this key detail: They are of able to live in this make believe world because we have let them. Take back what is yours.

      [–]antariusz 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      I’ve been on both sides of the cheating woman situation.

      Because I’ve been the other dude so many times, it made me laugh when she tried to hide fucking another guy from me. And I didn’t need to get angry or go pound down some kind of door.

      Similarly to telling guys not to even attempt a LtR until you’ve banged at least 10 girls. I would similarly recommend not LTR’ing anyone until you’ve got at LEAST 2-3 women in relationships to cheat WITH you.

      They can ALL lie with a straight face.

      [–]Tesrali 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      And this is why your dick will probably not get aids. Well said friend.

      [–]Raikkonen716 92 points93 points  (31 children)

      The most powerful thing I've learned here at the red pill is not to pursue women that aren't head over heels for you.

      Definitely this.

      It's been already some years i'm here on TRP, and I dated girls from much longer than that. However, i can't help but feel sad when i hear this kind of stories. Not that i don't know how women act. We all do, here we all know what they're attracted to, and how it's easy for them to forget about a guy. Fact is, i'm always surprised how many of these girls have absolutely no sense of honesty, or honor, or respect for their boyfriends. I don't pretend they change their nature, but I always wish they had at least the decency to tell their boyfriends "it's over", not to just deliberately lie.

      I'm just venting now, it's no surprise that they behave this way. But i can't help feeling disappointed by them. I was teached that human decency comes before sexuality.

      [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (24 children)

      Yea, I'm not even that angry. I was wondering if he was gonna come in swinging but really I just feel bad for the dude

      [–]Sittingonabigbluebox 14 points15 points  (23 children)

      You still hiding in the bathroom? Fucking gold.

      [–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (22 children)

      Nah he ended up making it inside, I was sitting on the couch. To be honest I wouldn't have been happy whether his blood or my blood ended up on the floor. I just deescalated the situation and said let's keep it cool. I kept it real with him and told him what happened and he thanked me for being honest and shook my hand. Really surprised he didn't come in guns blazing at me. Can't make this shit up boys.

      I doubt any of us on this sub are the kind to just hide in the bathroom.

      [–]sigma272 19 points20 points  (12 children)

      he thanked me for being honest and shook my hand

      I'm not even sure where to place this behavior on the alpha-beta spectrum

      [–]wheresMYsteakAt 34 points35 points  (8 children)

      Boss move if he dumped her and ghosted afterwards.

      [–]nomorelulu 5 points6 points  (7 children)

      I wouldn't call it a boss move solely because the girl probably didn't give a fuck and he still got played. But yeah that's probably his best option.

      [–]kyledontcare 20 points21 points  (6 children)

      They should both ditch her and ghost her.

      [–]nomorelulu 12 points13 points  (4 children)

      Absolutely. Unfortunately she'll find another guy (or two) at the drop of a hat and repeat the process.

      [–]Tesrali 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      eh, pump and dump those ones. then they hit the wall and pretend to shape up. maybe a few pull off the shaping, or at least the appearance of having done so.

      [–]yuube 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      That’s only unfortunate if you’re salty about it, who gives a fuck. Ghost her, I wouldn’t be pissed at a random dude either, I have no relationship with a random dude, I did have a relationship with the girl. Whose to say she even told him she had a boyfriend? Not the guys fault for trying to get laid.

      Would be different if it was a friend or something.

      [–]Cesare_MA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yeah then just fuck each other. Ultimate revenge.

      [–]washington_breadstix 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      How he deals with the other guy shouldn't matter as much as how he dealt with the girl. If he "forgave" her and made her promise not to do it again, he's beta. In fact, if he even acknowledged her existence after that and insisted on having any kind of conversation with her at all, he's beta. There's no "spectrum."

      [–]michael_wilkins -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      they should have fucked on her couch.

      [–]Sittingonabigbluebox 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      Hell hath no fury like a bluepill scorned

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        [–]Lavlamp 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Infedelity has been one of the leading causes of murder cases since the dawn of time. I'm always down for a good scrap anytime, but ya never know who has a gun or knife these days

        [–]iwasbornred 5 points6 points  (4 children)

        Why would you be mad at the guy? He's just doing his thing. Blaming the other guy or attacking him is honestly immature. You should be like "good for you" and just next.

        [–]Luckylancer96 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        If the guy know there is a bf, he deserves bf's punch.

        [–]iwasbornred 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I disagree. Bitches are so vague about boyfriends, dating, what their relationship is with another dude etc... If a woman makes a commitment to guy A, and breaks that commitment, that is between her and him. Guy B has no responsibility to keep track of some hoe's relationship status. It doesn't fucking matter what he knows or doesn't know.

        I'll give you an example. I have an ex that I've kept as a plate for a while. A year or so ago she was seeing some other ex of hers around the same time we had been fucking pretty frequently. She hadn't told me about it. Anyway, I send her some picture of my dick in her mouth and said some stupid little line about it, just being funny. She would usually respond to this pretty quickly, but didn't.

        She hadn't told me she was seeing him at the time, but a few weeks later(after they stopped due to his emotions) she told me the story of how she had begun seeing him again, but then they were together when I sent her that picture and he flipped out, called her all kinds of nasty names, etc.

        She was literally making fun of him for being upset about it, just laughing and making jokes about him being a pussy blah blah blah. She claims to me that they hadn't made a new commitment to each other.

        Do I believe this? Not necessarily. Could be the truth, could be a lie. I didn't even know at the time that she was seeing him. But it would not have made a difference; either way I would've been dumping my load in her when I felt like it.

        Point is, under your rules, I would be clear of guilt here because I didn't know. But knowing would not have made a difference in my decision to fuck her, and it shouldn't. SHE made the commitment(or she didn't, doesn't matter) to not put other dicks in her hole, I didn't make that commitment. I'm just living my life, using pussy for what it's supposed to be used for. Blaming the guy whose fucking your girlfriend is like being mad at your coworker for beating you out on a promotion.

        edit: TLDR- she's not yours, it's just your turn

        [–]Luckylancer96 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        Ok, if another man use her(a ltr) in my turn and knows it is my turn, he deserves a punch. This is not about girl. Someone intentionaly cucking you is a humiliating.

        But if girls is on CC (your example), then who cares.

        [–]iwasbornred 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Okay I have to respond again because I can tell you're not getting the point.

        "intentionally cucking you"-dude no one cares, they're hitting that pussy because they want to hit that pussy, that's it. Very few guys are running around specifically only looking for girls with boyfriends because they want to go out of their way to cuck someone.

        "this is not about girl"- Wrong. It is about the girl. The guy that's fucking her didn't lie to you. He did nothing to you. All he did was put his dick in a girl who happened to lie to you about who else was putting dick in her. He is doing what he is supposed to be doing. The woman is the problem in this scenario, period. Literally all she has to do is say "we aren't exclusive", or break up. It's that simple. Having anger toward the guy that's "cucking" you is just fucking stupid.

        If anyone deserves to be punched in the mouth, it's HER. But of course, society will come at you hard if you pull anything like that, and most men wouldn't do anything like that anyway despite the absurd level of disrespect she is pulling by cheating.

        To be clear about what "your turn" is: literally when you are fucking her and that is it. It is not your turn for the entire time you agree to be in a relationship with her, and she with you.

        This sort of mentality is what results in getting cucked in the first place: you think it's your turn with the girl simply because you both said it was your turn with each other. You just didn't know she was lying, and thought the reason she only fucked you twice a month was she "wasn't in the mood". "not in the mood" is code for "sore from chad"

        Women ARE NOT PROPERTY. THESE HOES ARE FOR EVERYBODY.

        [–]WestyWorld 7 points8 points  (2 children)

        The greater the gap in the SMV between you and a woman, the more likely she is to behave herself, treat you well, and stay faithful.

        [–]Lavlamp 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        That's the rub. You want as hot as you can get, but the risk rises the higher you shoot. That's why you need the frame to be able to lock it down if LTRs are your thing. The irony is that the people best equipped to handle high smv women are the ones who are most likely to next them at the first red flag.

        [–]Your_Coke_Dealer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        The trick is to not give a shit if you lose her. It is just the way life goes; all glass will eventually break, all wood will rot or burn, and all hoes will not be loyal.

        [–]Gozsayin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Kinda still new to TRP, I have been slowly easing into frame and it's been a rollercoaster. I still remember a time when I thought women were God's gift to Earth and that women were naturally loyal and to a certain degree trustworthy. Lmao boy was I stupid and this story proves it.

        [–]Lavlamp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Those bitches hold onto their beta bucks for fear of losing a provider. Hypergamy in full effect. It is truly awful being the guy who's being strung along, all a friend can hope for is they wake the fuck up and learn from it. Turn the battle wound into lesson.

        [–]MrJanglesLovesBooty1 72 points73 points  (2 children)

        Thots gonna thot. Dick, attention and drama are like drugs to them.

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        [–]Itsgeneticsbruh 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        Most of these lessons will get put to the back of the head until we all experience it. unfortunately we all think we are special snowflakes, until we learn the hard way.

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          [–]Ninokun 38 points39 points  (1 child)

          If u wanna date short or longterm always take Girls that are extremely into u, even if it means u have to go down on the beauty scale. U shouldnt introduce her to ur friends or Parents anyway.

          The Reason being is simply because of Time Management, a Girl that loves u more than u are her is always gonna make room for u, always fucking u when u want. and is still available even when u didnt call her for 2 or 3 days.

          [–]between1-2min 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Damn that's a good way to put it. It's simply logical.

          [–]hodltaco 56 points57 points  (0 children)

          Have been the guy she was cheating with literally 20 years ago which sent me on my Red Pill/MGTOW path. They’re all deceitful cunts. I’m in my 50’s guys and nothing has ever mother fucking changed.

          Having said that...tip your waitress. She’s actually working for it.

          [–]SovereignSoul76 35 points36 points  (1 child)

          Other lesson: if you strongly suspect a girl is fooling around behind your back, just cut your losses and move on. Having a girl lie directly to your face, continuing to date her, and then later her telling you that you were right all along, is far worse.

          [–]360_no_scope_upvote 27 points28 points  (0 children)

          You shouldn't pursue women to a point of detriment period. Everything is fluid, push and pull, undulating, other times sharp recesses. Oneitis is your enemy. Listen to your gut, your brain is telling you something is wrong for good reason, because it is.

          [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

          The guy's mental space is all messed up. He should be happy to occasionally bang this slut while he goes about getting his career and money in line and meeting new other women who aren't such low quality. I mean he is winning here he's just thinking about it all wrong. It's like when a girl tells you all and the wonders of polyamory. Might as well high five her and tell her you'll let her know when to come Netflix and chill with you. Just make sure you wrap it up.

          [–]throwlaca 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          Those are my thoughts. The boyfriends is beta, yes. But he's banging a 10 anyway, she's way out of his league. I would downgrade her to plate and continue.

          [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          Good post man. I would go a little further and make it a universal rule: Never Chase After a Bitch.

          Think of all the times she cried, threw up her hands and stormed off to the bathroom - full of expectation that you'll be running after her to apologize.

          Or how women throw out an IOI here and there deliberately to make you focus in on her in a social setting, and then just as deliberately yank it away to enjoy your confused disorientation: "but I thought you liked me?"

          Never chase a bitch, it's either a trap she laid deliberately or it just spooks them out when she realizes you're after her, that you want her. The female response to chasing is always running, even if she liked you to begin with.

          [–]HandsomeCub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Never chase a bitch, it's either a trap she laid deliberately or it just spooks them out when she realizes you're after her, that you want her. The female response to chasing is always running, even if she liked you to begin with.

          And if there is any hint of you having any sexual desire, they will run screaming "predator", with zero forgiveness.

          [–]Sonic324 24 points25 points  (24 children)

          Does it ever feel morally wrong to be the guy who's banging some thot in a relationship?

          [–]Docbear64 62 points63 points  (5 children)

          I feel sorry for the men and personally when a woman tells me up front she has a boyfriend or husband I have ( more recently) turned her down ... more because I don't want drama more than out of mutual respect for another man .

          At the end of the day though I only feel sorry for the guys because they chose to commit to a slut . No matter what vows or oaths you've made to a woman she's not your property so if you choose one who likes to share her pussy (openly or secretly) than I hope he finds out and is able to place the blame where it needs to go ( on the woman he's picked) but most of these men can't even do that right.

          If your girl likes to suck my dick then I don't get how many men rationalize either A, They pushed her / forced her to step out of the relationship or B That I am somehow some mega seducer who tainted the pure heart of their flawless vagina angel .

          It's insane . the things men do and don't think about women Pre- TRP.

          [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (4 children)

          You wrote it more eloquently than I could have. If she's willing to cheat, the problem is their relationship not me.

          [–]michael_wilkins 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          You wrote it more eloquently than I could have. If she's willing to cheat, the problem is their relationship not me.

          But all women are willing to cheat.

          [–]Gallobrax 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Problem is not you at all, however I'd draw the line at the point you find out. You should never be attracted to an out and proud slut. Sure mistakes happen but if she's doing it consistently and openly she's a bad person. Get involved with a girl like that at your own peril.

          [–]Some_Random_Guy_1138 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          How do you know she didn't cheat on you when you were together?

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          We can't ever truly know can we!

          [–]2CasaDeFranco 11 points12 points  (0 children)

          I've slept with married women during business trips.

          I used to have a rule against, I still kind of do but I break that rule occasionally. I don't feel great about it, it's usually a spontaneous decision but I have felt pangs of guilt when I see social media photos of the happily married couple.

          I try to avoid investing in women which clearly demonstrate low loyalty (ie if I can fuck her whilst she's locked in, she'll do it again).

          It's also unwise as some married men will vector their anger towards you, the man that ruined his perfect marriage; this is why I usually only break that rule whilst overseas.

          [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          99% of relationships are temporary. Who cares, the dude will get over it. Especially if they haven't been dating for that long. Plus you're doing the guy a favor by showing him what happens when you commit to some thot who's just gonna forget about you and fuck the next best thing that passes her.

          [–]3nebder 10 points11 points  (5 children)

          If it’s not my cock it’ll be someone else’s. Maybe I’ll get gutstabbed someday. That day is not today.

          [–]MyUsrNameWasTaken 3 points4 points  (4 children)

          If all men refused to bang a girl in a relationship then couldn't we curb their cheating behavior?

          [–]3nebder 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Why do we want to stop it? Hypergamy is best for the species as a whole.

          Naive on the individual level. How bout every other man except me stops banging attached gals. The demand won’t go away.

          Do you see the problem here?

          [–]searcher612 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          At this point in time, the way society is constructed, why do you think it is best for the species?

          [–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          All attractive women are always attached. They always have beta orbiters, usually several that they might let get to second base even.

          If she’s not attracted to the attached male, you won’t know about him. But if she isn’t attracted to you he’ll be labeled as her boyfriend.

          [–]soupladlelad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          He made no agreement to not cheat on this guy or not have sex with this girl. She has done a moral wrong but OP has not.

          [–]michael_wilkins 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Does it ever feel morally wrong to be the guy who's banging some thot in a relationship?

          A little yes, but what are you going to do about it.

          And from a moral perspective, your not in a relationship, so where's your moral imperative to honour someone's else's bargain? it's on her to say no not on you to not pursue.

          If your a salesman selling phone contracts and someone says they already have a contract. Is it morally wrong to get them to switch?

          [–]throwlaca 18 points19 points  (3 children)

          Does it ever feel morally wrong to be the guy who's banging some thot in a relationship?

          It's not morally wrong. But if you keep doing that, some day you will fuck with the wrong guy's girlfriend.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Or you could do that the first time.

          The problem is that you. The problem is

          • Cheating slut meets unstable idiot.

          That's a recipe for disaster for even betas who may get mixed into it.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          A little-discussed bit of female courage in such tight spots (when they have cheated male A, who they like more than B, with male B): they'll convince male A that they, really, really, didn't want to do it, and, somehow somehow, all the mischief was made by B, and B is to be held responsible for the screw she had with B.

          Of course, male A usually likes to believe this true (we all like to believe true what makes us feel better), and then B is in danger, while the scheming, double-faced slut is absolved of any responsibility (and gets A back).

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Yes if I know the guy.

          Look. I'm not asking every girl if she has a man. If she does it's on her to say.

          If it ain't me it will be another guy. I'm not the one cheating.

          [–]Your_Coke_Dealer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          TRP is an amoral philosophy. You personally may keep your moral convictions if you want, but we as a subreddit don't treat cheating, being the side dude, etc. as 'wrong'.

          TRP exists to put us as men on par with the innate sexual strategy practiced by women. They have naturally what we strive for here, although this does not make being female an objective advantage in life either. The female sexual strategy does not have morality bundled in with it; women cheat/lie/deceive unless the morality of a particular woman, by choice, overrides the innate sexual strategy. As such, you may choose to take morals over nature, or not. We don't judge.

          [–]GOODLORD100 16 points17 points  (2 children)

          Poor guy :/. My ex gf cheated on me with 7 guys and I had no idea, but always a suspicion. And when I was suspicious about something, it turned out to be true. I’m making sure that never happens to me again. Whoever started this sub, thank you!

          [–]PhaedrusHunt 39 points40 points  (6 children)

          I've been there. Most of us have. My ex was fucking her ex behind my back. Dumbass that I was, I stuck with her. But I long conned the shit out of her.

          I managed to change things over to my frame through the course of the relationship.

          I ended up fucking several women while still with her, gaslit the shit out of her, then allowed myself to get caught once I had what I wanted.

          It broke her. But payback is a bitch. I told her, you cheated on BF B with BF A (she was dumb enough to tell me that shit), and on me with BF C. And you'll cheat on the next guy with me.

          I can go fuck her literally any time I want, but I don't. Not that she's not a good piece of ass or hot, she's both. I just get more pleasure out of not fucking her and ignoring her than I would out of fucking her. Abundance. She's just another woman.

          There are soooo many women out there. When they know you know that, and they know it's easier for you to get a hot piece of ass than for her to get good dick (especially in Soy Boy Central where I live), you have frame.

          The amazing thing is, with the woman I'm with now, this is all unspoken and well understood.

          [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

          There are soooo many women out there.

          Yup and they're all the same. AWALT.

          [–]Gallobrax 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          You my friend understand the tremendous value of effective leverage. I wonder, when you say you broke her did she actually catch herself and reflect or is she now just a mess? Well played sir. Well played.

          [–]PhaedrusHunt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I wonder, when you say you broke her did she actually catch herself and reflect or is she now just a mess?

          She's a spoiled rich brat with a Beta Bucks dad that kisses the ass of her mom, her sister, and her. Until me she only dated men with lower SMV than she has.

          Remember Nicholson's line in As Good as it Gets? He's a writer well known for his female characters being so realistic. When asked how he makes women so accurate, he says, "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."

          Self reflection is not in her DNA. She's just a mess now. In her mind this is 100% my fault. I'm fine with that.

          [–]thefisherman1961 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Why would you knowingly stay in a relationship with a woman who is cheating? Do you want to get STDs? Are you a cuck?

          [–]PhaedrusHunt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Nah, quite the opposite. Her ex was a total cuck. She wanted me to fuck her in front of him lmao and was going to peg him at some point. She was actually a dominatrix in a sense but very submissive with me.

          In fairness to her it was really early on, and we weren't "exclusive" yet. BUT she had been lying saying she wasn't seeing anyone else. She shut that crap down and was not with anyone else the rest of our relationship. But I was playing a long game, and messed her up.

          Granted, if that situation arose again I would ghost immediately and without giving her any idea that I knew what was going on.

          So yeah, I played the fool a bit by listening to what she said instead if observing what she did. But I completely flipped the script and ended up as the one in control. Best course of action should have been to be, but I was in a weird situation, coming out of an 11 year marriage where I was dutiful all around, and was still getting my sea legs in this new dating environment. Hell man, I'd been in a monogamous relationship since I was 26. I needed some time to figure this shit out.

          [–]boo_radley_awesome 13 points14 points  (1 child)

          My question is, what are you doing digging through the trash brah? An ex??

          IMHO, anytime you go digging up the past (no matter how much you think you or someone else has changed) all you get is dirty.

          But hey, do what you like. Thanks for the post

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          There are no hard rules to life, we're all just making it up as we go. I'm just living my life and focusing on keeping myself at the center of it since I've started reading TRP

          [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          If you're showing up unannounced because you think she's cheating on you, you have both insecurity issues and a relationship you shouldn't be in.

          [–]DiscipleOfTheRedWay 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          The real lesson to be learned here is that for every degenerate woman there is an equally degenerate man willing to fuck her.

          [–]VictxrSenpai 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          I think almost every guy fucking w/a female has been cheated on or had that feeling that something was up. But holy shit, to actually see a girl cheat on her bf with you, will totally make you realize that a good % of modern day females just cannot be trusted. It also made me realize that if you have some principals and morals, you'll feel like a terrible person for fucking w/ a relationship ESPECIALLY when the bf doesn't deserve it.

          [–]thefisherman1961 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I did it before, wouldn’t do it again. I felt awful about it the whole time and kept thinking about what an awful person she is for doing this with me

          But that was back in my blue pill days when I (laughably) believed that women were capable of loyalty

          [–]Low_Cost_Chimp_Meat 5 points6 points  (5 children)

          Always get with women that pursue YOU...and keep dumping them if you want them to stick around for a while. THESE are the relationships where they do anal, threesomes and swallow for you.

          [–]mikeymop 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          How do you eloquently dump them

          [–]Low_Cost_Chimp_Meat 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          you can't...you have to be dramatic. Wait for a sign of potential cheating (texts, emails etc it will be there) and then blow up at her with the "I don't fucking share my women with other guys" speech. No contact...and then when she comes back crying.....dominate her with anal or facial etc to prove that she is "serious about commitment" to you.

          [–]mikeymop 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Oh okay, I thought you were talking about the good ones.

          [–]Low_Cost_Chimp_Meat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          the good ones? Be very careful when breaking up with them....they can become severely depressed, or worse, suicidal. It's best when they revert to AWALT and gradually find someone else, thus, leaving you.

          [–]TakeYouToGetThisFly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This. I had a girl get suicidal in my earlier years. Even though AWALT, remember these are human lives we're messing with so tread carefully especially when it comes to breakups.

          [–]Taco_Truck_Aficionad 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          I'm sitting next to a girl in one of my classes who is continuously flirting and IOI-ing me. The kicker is she wears a huge wedding/engagement ring on her left ring finger. She is pretty hot for a mixed race girl, but that rock on her hand might as well be a neon yellow caution sign for me.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Pre marriage contract signing time is the time they give off the most IOIs to the most men, least for the very few cases they are seriously into the soon-to-be "hubbie".

          [–]CaesarsInferno 8 points9 points  (5 children)

          Duly noted and I agree but unfortunately I don’t think I’ll ever get to experience a scenario in which both me and the girl are saying “fuck yes”. My standards are not even high, believe me. Which is why I refuse to lower them.

          [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

          You are the master of your own life

          [–]3nebder 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          Women aren’t gonna hand you a business card that says “you sir are a stud and I want to be in your life”

          You’re gonna say something to her off the cuff like hey just got free for drinks and she’ll say cool be there in a few. That’s fuck yes from her end by making you the priority.

          [–]throwlaca -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

          I've been in many situations, me saying "fuck yes" and she saying "fuck yes". Both at the same time? never. And I'm 40, it wont happen in my life, unfortunately.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I wonder why. Maybe you are not good at exhibiting a touch of sale-is-assumed cockiness and give them the bits of SIMPLE humour and witticism they want, all while convincing them that it's not your, but rather their chance not to miss.

          It's way tougher to make their Fuck Yes extend in time than to fire it up at the startm flighty beings that they are.

          [–]tastelikesunshine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I couldn't dirty my dick in that bitch ... I'd have washed it off in the sink and walked out the front door and left him to hash that shit out with her ... She needed an event to back fire so bad she never did it again

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Why anyone would think they locked down a girl is beyond me. I was at church, yes church and the pastor said that if it ain't marriage God does that even see it. Best believe this girl I knew took that and ran with it.

          And even in marriage, all you do is hand her power to do whatever since it's probably you who will lose of you split.

          Any way you slice it. She's not yours. She never will be yours. Enjoy her while she's there, bit always be prepared for her to decide to fuck another. Tye only questions are

          • Will you find out

          • Will you accept it if you find out

          • Or will you try (and fail) to keep grasp on her

          [–]D_Hamm35 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          The real lesson here is that you’re gross for sleeping with someone who’s in a relationship.

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          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          There was no home -- we're early 20s. No kids. They were together for a few months. She never saw a future with him anyways. Better for him he found out now. I have no regrets.

          [–]Romerike 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          That lesson took a long time for me to learn. No serious IOI, don't bother. Good post

          [–]Showshimselfout 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          you can't negotiate honesty and fidelity.

          I red "you can't negotiate attraction" earlier last week which might be slightly more elegant. TRP is hard to swallow but it's helped me shift away from emotional and more into the logical headspace.

          Good story.

          [–]dialecticwizard 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          There is no such thing as honesty and fidelity. It is a crock of shite. The best you can do is negotiate a way through life that allows you to climb high. On your own. If you partner with anyone on the way, make sure they do not cause you to backslide and lose ground.

          [–]TheLoneProspector 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I've been on both ends of this. Well at least I thought I was on the bad end. Never trust a girl who does this to another guy. You are not special. She will do it to you. I could never trust her because of it. Shame, cause I had feelings for her (I guess that was a mistake as well).

          [–]TunedtoPerfection 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          I would like to point out that it is quite obvious OP has not read Models as requested in the side bar. Now we could tell the newbie to "STFU, read the sidebar, and lift."

          But I bring this point up to show that through the OP's own redpill lens he came to the exact same conclusion about women as a book we have been recommending since the inception of this sub.

          If that doesn't show you the power and knowledge of the side bar, then we can't help you.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          A lot of the content on this sub is anecdotal evidence that reinforces the concepts of the sidebar, not reinvents it. There are tags for a reason, if you don't want to read field reports and real stories and would rather read the philosophy, use the flair filters. No skin off my back.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I hope you wont complain if a bluepiller bashes your head in for stealing his one and only while you are screwing around with taken women. Blue pill rage is the worst.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yup, I'm only messing with women that I can tell actually give a fuck about me. All the rest can blow in the wind.

          [–]Ramazotti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You can not negotiate passion. This should never be ignored.

          [–]boo_radley_awesome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          To some extent, yes. But hey, cheers to you mate. Not trying to tell you how to live your life. That would be very non-RP

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          you're lucky ya didn't get a shotgun to the dome, be careful where ya step man. no pussy is worth the price of life

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          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          I think this is only valid to an extent. Everyone is willing to cheat, it just depends on your value to her that dictates her willingness and the likelihood of it. That being said, different girls do have different propensities to engage in that behavior. The key takeaway is that it's up to you to have a high enough perceived smv to her that she wouldn't risk it.

          [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            The water will always be murky lol

            [–]etherealembryo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Someone is touching the mirror. He fell in love with some bread.

            [–]GingerMinky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I’m madly in love with my bf! What the OP says is totally true! Head over heels in love is what your woman should be for you, no other level!

            [–]throwlaca 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            not to pursue women that aren't head over heels for you.

            This is also not good. It's saturday night. I'm just tired and want to be alone, playing videogames or whatever. And my GF is coming. I told her not to and she's coming anyway. She's heads over heels for me, and wont leave me alone.

            Also, I'm not convinced that if a girl is heads over heals for you, she won't cheat. Maybe she wont cheat as easily.

            [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            That's your own fault for not having healthy boundaries...

            [–]Low_Cost_Chimp_Meat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            They always end up cheating, even these girls.....but these are the types that you can still fuck even after they a "boyfriend", IF you dump them for cheating.

            [–]airjones1 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

            Isn't the problem thinking a girl is to good for you not necessarily there looks? If he had more confidence as a man he wouldn't be in this position. I don't think the solution is to after less attractive woman so you can feel like you deserve them. I

            [–]Gallobrax 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I think this goes back to how you rank women. For me it's not just looks but their mental headspace as well. No looks, sex or anything makes up for bad hormones and mental instability. It's never worth it.

            [–]airjones1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Regardless of how you rank them you shouldn't be thinking anyone is better than you male or female. I don't care if it's Beyonce shes still just a person with flaws the same as anyone else. Bottomline is anyone who think they need to be with a less attractive woman so can feel in control or whatever ahs self esteem and insecurity issues. These characteristics show your not truly confident in yourself and other people pick up on that especially women. Its ok to think a woman is a ten but the problem is when you consider yourself a 6 or anything less than what she is. First thing I learned about game when I got started was that the whole shes to good for me thing was something I made up not something that was actually said. I Pulled so many girls I thought were out of my league when I first started gaming, because I came to realize once you learn to treat the most beautiful woman like your guy best friend and just stop caring about what they think. You showcase true confidence and a not giving a fuck demeanor because you really dont give a fuck.