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Red Pill ExampleI'm Rollo Tomassi, Ask Me Anything (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi

Not really sure how much of an introduction I need here, but I'm Rollo Tomassi author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine.

If you've been at all active on this sub you'll no doubt have seen my name or blog come up in comments. I also have several of my more seminal posts linked on the reading list sidebar here. I'm also considered one of the three 'R's of the manosphere (Roissy, Rollo, Roosh).

I haven't done an AMA in about a year and a half, so fire away with the questions. I will answer pretty much everything, but just know I'm known for having quite an extensive library of previous posts so I may link you to an essay I've written in the past if I think it'll answer your question more adequately.

https://therationalmale.com/

https://therationalmale.com/the-book/

Twitter: @RationalMale Gab: @Rollo-Tomassi


[–]1StoicCrane 24 points25 points  (14 children)

In the afterward of TRM volume one you mentioned that there are bloggers who use game in a Christianized context that you genuinely promote. In a sense isn't this contradiction sinse game and sexual strategy are amoralistic in nature? Many TRP users are encouraged to abandon religious constraints due in part to the fact that a majority of them have become conduits for feminine sexual plurism, especially Christianity. Due to the underlying system feminist corruption of religion shouldn't the application of TRP under a religious context be discouraged?

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 73 points74 points  (6 children)

I get this a lot. How can you endorse the promiscuous PUA lifestyle to Christian men. That's not my intent. I think it's vitally important that religious men are made to be Red Pill aware, almost more important than secular guys since so much of their future life's success is at stake if they're inured by what's become a religion by, for and about women.

It's never been in the scope of TRM to decide what religion or not a guy ought to be, but I don't think Red Pill awareness ought to be incumbent upon a belief set. I think Christian men can utilize everything TRP has to offer within the context of how they apply it according to their beliefs. Maybe you're not spinning plates, but it's important for men to have a solid grasp of the nature of the women in their church. Hypergamy doesn't care about religion.

[–]mehdreamer 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Indeed. I can speak of the moslim world : These pure vigin moslim girls with "modest" clothing are also driven by hypergamy. You'll hear these girls say they're looking for a pious, god fearing simple good husband... but they omit to say good-loooking-preferably-rich, pious, god fearing simple good husband.

Same goes for these vegan, spiritual, eco-friendly, altenative western girls. They want a guy like them, but he must be also good looking with good finances.

These ideologies are just a thin layer that goes on top of the core drive : hypergamy.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Indeed. I can speak of the moslim world : These pure vigin moslim girls with "modest" clothing are also driven by hypergamy. You'll hear these girls say they're looking for a pious, god fearing simple good husband... but they omit to say good-loooking-preferably-rich, pious, god fearing simple good husband.

Probably the most fundamental example for AWALT.

[–]SetConsumes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think to women it's a given that the guy must be good looking and preferably rich/high status. So they don't even mention it, 'cause like duh'.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (4 children)

If men actually read their religious books (Bible for my case), and interpret it on their own (with proper research) instead of having a pastor/priest/church shove their versions down their throats, RP is compatible with religion. Hek, being aware/having an RP moment of how twisted Christianity has become due to wordly values years ago made me much more receptive to accepting RP. If even something like Christianity, which has a study guide and basia out in the open called the Bible, could be twisted, why couldn't other values/ideas be?...

[–]1StoicCrane 84 points85 points  (59 children)

In one of the chapters you made the claim that "Women's sexuality is schizophrenic" they seek a man that other women want while actively behaving in a manner to reduce that male's sexual options binding him to her but the moment that happens she'll lose all interest. Couldn't the same be said of our sexual strategy?

We want "decent quality women" but our biological inclination is to spread our seed and play the field. By actively practicing the latter not only is the collective pool of women diminished in value through the CC but women who may have otherwise been "decent" in exposure to an AF becomes transformed into a typical CC slut further decreasing the "quality" of the female pool.

Women are 100% accountable for their behavior. In this context though doesn't it seem like we as Men are adding to the issue?

[–]tinder43somes 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Scenario 1) Female interests are directly self-contradictory

Scenario 2) Male interests result in competition which conflicts with male interests

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 12 points13 points  (2 children)

This.

The first is inherently contradictory, the second is more of a Prisoner's Dilemma.

[–]Jani1157 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Could you break this down more? What's the prisoner's dilemma?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Have some self-reliance and Youtube it.

If you still don't see the connection, come back.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 51 points52 points  (39 children)

This is seriously one of the most thought provoking comments I've read on this sub for the past year. Very keen observation fellow Shitlord, I applaud you.

I think you're right, both men and women are opposite mirrors to each other in this regard. For example women actively promote betaness in men but are repulsed by it equally. Men promote sluttiness in women but would never think of committing to one.

I think this is both sexes attempt of increasing the 'spread coverage' of their sexual strategy.

The same conflict can be found in men and how they want women to be sluts but protect their own daughter from becoming one. Though I'm confused why most modern day women seem hell bent on creating beta slaves out of their sons.

[–]derektwerd 10 points11 points  (7 children)

My mother may have done that to me. However, I remember once how she said she raised 5 men and not a set of balls between them. All in relationship at the time. All being betacized (is that a word?). She was basically giving us a hard time for not being men and even called us pussies for not standing up to our wives and girlfriends. Only 1 is still married, the rest broke up or divorced. So I guess you could say she had a point.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Sounds like your mom atleast had something right, mine tried doing the opposite. But I turned out the opposite due to circumstance from an early age. Much to her displeasure.

[–]derektwerd 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Yea, and I just read about the promise keeper or whatever. That shit hit hard. My dad cheated on my mum a lot. he had 11 kids total, 5 with my mum and 6 with 5 other women, 4 of which were conceived while they were together.

I only discovered this thread yesterday and my eyes have been opened.

[–]SetConsumes 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Sounds like your dad was an untameable alpha.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Your father has amassed an army.

[–]SetConsumes 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Women create betas to set their sons up for their future wife, to be the wife's beta.

Part of why Feminism despite all its other desires doesn't want men raising children, it would take away from women grooming men to be addicted to feminine energy and be predisposed to become good beta husbands.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Like I said in a later comment, this just proves how self centered women are. They think "all womenkind relates to me and I am the only one that matters" and rationalize from there. While men tell their daughters to be virtuous girls for their own benefit. Men think about the group, women think about themselves.

[–]character_ethics 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Women create betas to set their sons up for their future wife, to be the wife's beta.

Totally disagree.

A women will never give her son to some other random woman. There was too much of investment in raising a son. Mother raises a beta so that she can use him.

[–]p3n1x 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Though I'm confused why most modern day women seem hell bent on creating beta slaves out of their sons.

Many were burned in their past or never learned the pleasure of proper submission. They are trying to raise a unicorn and not understanding the future fallout from teaching a young male that the "white knights" are what women get tingles from.

Where is dad in this equation? Most of the time emasculated and castrated into constantly trying to "please" this angry woman.

Its like a dad giving his daughter "too much" attention believing that is what keeps them from twirling on a pole later. That girl grows up assuming all men owe her that attention.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Yet you would never see a father promote sexual promiscuity in his daughter, never. While mothers definitely promote betaness in their sons.

The only explanation I can come up with is that men think about the group interest at large, this is a quality a leader has to posses (and all men are leaders). While women are mostly interested in their own interests, which means they don't consider that raising their son Beta would make him unhappy sexually. They only think about how this son can be useful to them.

I've definitely seen this with mothers where they were purposefully cockblocking their son, not giving a shit if he got laid or not.

[–]SetConsumes 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Essentially, yeah, women are selfish and still want the control and power their attached sons give them. Heh, my mother still tries to control me through guilt and what not, she hates how little power she has over me.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Not all mothers. A good mother just offers unconditional love, care and support. Her son then grows up to be who he wants to be. Problem is in our modern society gender equality tells women they need to work and have an education, not focus on the more important task of being a devoted mother. Blame feminism for the fact that women do not want to be women any more. Feminism is the enemy of women, children, society and men. It is a blight and there will be a backlash soon.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly, a good mother should know better and set her son up for success. This is another great example for why single mothers are low value scum.

[–]1StoicCrane 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I think this is both dexed attempt of increasing the 'spread coverage' of their sexual strategy.

Either this or it can also be a collective way for each respective gender to vet for potential prospects en masse.

When word gets around that a group of AF fratboys made a "rotisserie chicken" out of a certain sorority girl her value in the eyes of men in that college community plummets on account of this. A naïve guy who may have had a oneitis for this chick will figuratively see her in her slutty glory deterring him from pursuing her let alone committing to her thanks to the AF frats.

A woman who wears down an Alpha or creates a legion of orbiters won't hesitate to gossip about her triumph over him/them. By doing so she expresses to women in her circle in wonanese that the man is of low value and hardly worth the time fucking since to them sex is really a bartering service in exchange for something (money, luxury, status, etc). To them if a man is of low value there's nothing to extract from him through sex so there's no point. By bringing Betas and broken Alphas to light they heighten their own sense of value and worth in the eyes of other women because she "took one for the team" and "exposed the charlatans" so others won't waste their time or resources pursuing him/them.

This might be an ingrained bioligical form of gender vetting but our biology has yet to catch up to technology. Post-industrialization where communities were more closely knit and word spread around reputation was everything in the tribe/village. But now all people have to do is pack their bags and move to the next city and they can start fresh.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Good point, I really think this is part of the reason. My own theory has been that both sexes love the idea of an easy thing. Instant gratification basically.

Us men, we love sluts. No guy will deny this ever. We would happily take all of their sex from them. The same holds true for women, they love betas. They will gladly take their money and time while leading them on, being taken out to expensive dinners.

Both have two things in common, either group likes to take the other sexes currency regardless of how 'low value' this person is. Women have no problem taking time and money from some scrawny geek for as long as he has some. And men have no problem fucking an ugly slut with the lights off. Obviously there are limits.

But the point is that the threshold for what we take is much lower than what we give. Giving away commitment only happens when the guy believes or knows his girl isn't an easy slut. Giving away sex only happens when the girl believes or knows her guy is an Alpha.

But regardless of this both sexes will never turn down a free offer. And essentially that's what Beta's and Slut's represent. They are a free pass to what the other sex ideally wants.

[–]waytooalf 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's just the Oedipus and Electra complex working for whoever is the dominant parent.

My mom raised me to be beta so she wouldn't feel attracted to me. Since TRP I remind her of my Chad dad and it makes her horny (shudder gross).

I think alpha dads do the same thing to their daughters. They raise them to be rational, independant and masculine so they won't remind the dad of their hot mom and feel attracted.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

I haven't been part of this community for so long. But comments like this and the one from OP, is actually why I manage to stay. I get all this about female nature and is beginning to see it more and more in my life, both past relationships and current, heck even in my own mother. But it can sometimes get a bit annoying to read the one sided store about the evil women. Such comments here are great as they force some introspection and paint a broader picture. Because, of course it's not black and white. It's cool to know how women operate, but this knowledge alone is not very useful, if you know nothing about yourself and what's ticking inside of you. And what's causing the entire dynamic between men and women to function.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 13 points14 points  (6 children)

It's also the biggest weakness that TRP has. We mostly cover female nature while ignoring male nature. Which means that topics like "Why am I disgusted by my ex-girlfriends slutty past?" never gets discussed.

It also means we never learn what makes ourselves tick. We focus on female nature and male interests while ignoring male nature and female interests. The entire truth is still kept from us because we chose to mostly focus on women. Had we not then we would have learned allot more.

This is one of the reasons why allot of TRP-ers believe that a CC-riding slut is actually having a good time and 'beating' us at our own game. Failing to grasp that women operate different, we ignore what their interests are. If we would then we'd discover most women are very insecure and miserable while riding the CC.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's exactly right. I'm totally into all this stuff about females and there are a lot of golddiggers and slutty superficial women out there. I have been treated bad by women a couple of times, but mostly (and I might have been lucky in my selection), I feel I have been treated quite fair. Much of this preaching about "the evil whores" comes from the fact, that guys associate themselves with exactly these sluts and get the AWALT impression. Not to say that not all women can have certain characteristics and can be opportunistic etc., but it varies depending on the type you choose. If you go for the top looking females and go to pick them up in certain environments, you might get the "every mans dream girls" but you can propably set yourself up for the most shit testing and the highest propabillity for her cheating. That should be simple logic for all men who claim to be enlightened. Which some of the guys in here are definetely not according to their paroting of RP theories and their own superficial comments and attacks on even slight disagreements to their own comfortable paradigm regarding their newly discovered RP.

[–]TissueBabies 2 points3 points  (2 children)

TRP is object and goal oriented. Men fix things. At the end of the day, if we don't know how it works/how to fix the cause, we are much more likely to remedy the symptom. A complete RP solution would focus ourselves more than the mechanics of the sexual market.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Few people realize this though, all be it in less extreme forms like PUA does.

[–]SetConsumes 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Defining alpha and beta and putting forth the notion of positive masculinity is figuring out how men tick. But, it's less discussed perhaps because it's easier for men to understand and see, as opposed to the convoluted nature of women and their being emotional creatures.

[–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are certainly right about that.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You are completely correct. It is not just about women, it is about men. As a man if you can fuck as many hot women as you like, you get bored and settle down (Brad Pitt, Mike Tyson, Johnny Depp). Then from the confines of an exclusive relationship a man gets bored and dreams of wild, hot, young pussy.

For a woman she wants a strong protector. Someone who will produce healthy offspring. When she finds him and locks him down she diminishes his masculinity and therefore her attraction to him drops (this is why dread game works). Alternately she locks down a beta and dreams of Chad the pirate crawling into her bedroom window at night to fuck her brains out. Human relationships and sexuality is a war. At the end of the day you win some battles, lose some, then win or lose the war, but there is always a cost. There is no such thing as perfection.

[–]GrimIsTheWay 59 points60 points  (16 children)

Rollo, best way to keep frame and deal with dread game when it is reversed? (The girl has many options and often hangs out with guy friends). Thanks!

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 111 points112 points  (10 children)

Niko and I dedicated an entire Red Pill Monthly podcast episode to Frame last month:

https://therationalmale.com/2016/08/15/the-red-pill-monthly-frame/

If you're concerned about instilling dread in a girl (an extension of frame) like the one you define it's important to really assess what she's really all about first. If she's hanging out with guy-friends to the exception of your own company, it may simply be better to only keep her as a secondary plate you're spinning.

Remember, the Medium is the Message, so what are her behaviors indicative of in this case? Girls who are into you wont confuse you, so if her actions are that she seeks out the company of a lot of guys (to "hang out") that's telling you her hindbrain wants to keep all options on the table with regard to Hypergamy.

So, going to the efforts of instilling dread in her may not be worth your time. However, just by your demoting her to a secondary option you can determine her real interest level. Keep in mind that you should always demonstrate, never explicate, with women. If her IL was never at a stage where your attentions are more valuable than her guy-friends you'll confirm this by performing a takeaway of your attention. If her IL is still significant for you she'll tell you it's bugging her.

https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/

https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/30/intergender-friendship/

[–]iamz3ro 17 points18 points  (0 children)

My understanding of this is this: You should never be in a situation where you "worry" about this. Just run your normal dread game and if her IL is too low then just let her go. You "worrying" about running dread game on a girl signifies that you're raising her up higher than you should.

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Any plans to have these podcasts on iTunes? Thanks!

[–]Obsidian743 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Read the blog about intergender friendships.

What do you say about women who claim to simply get along better with men?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (8 children)

What would be your advice and plan for a hardcase newbie (definition of RSD is virgin, skinny/overweight, no friends, no experience with girls, women or very little and he ended up deep in the friendzone and being emotional tampon...) ?

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Learn the foundations of Red Pill awareness first. Fully unplug and kill the inner Beta before you go looking for magic formulas to get your dream girl. There's a process to it and if you skip ahead to parts you're unprepared for you end up like Eliot Rodger did.

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Why don't you increase your SMV? Lift, begin an activity that will boost your testosterone. Lose your fat. You're probably in lethargy. Do something active.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You're right. But what do i do next?

[–]mummersfarce_is_done 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well, before being concerned with the next step focus on your current step. The improvement stage takes time but it is not hard, it is just long.

Developing a toned body helps many things. It fixes your hormone levels and mental strength. It will make you get into the mood a thousand logical advice cannot. It will boost your SMV significantly. It will fix any problems you might have with self-loathing and self-hate. It will boost your confidence as you will have something solid to base it upon. Seriously, this first step is also the most important. But you know that already. Go ahead and do it.

Another advice I would give is to not try to be social with people right now. I mean if an opportunity to talk presents itself, entertain the conversation but don't seek it aggressively. Maybe your bad social experience is what is keeping you in a negative feedback loop. Right now, it is much better to be in the monk mode mentally and feel a slight detachment. At this lowest stage, don't even bother talking to women. You'll only frustrate yourself until you have some SMV to attract them. What matters is whether you are in a negative or positive feedback loop. As long as you are improving your station you will feel motivated. You might feel some comfort and begin to slack off. When that happens remember to keep your discipline to continue, as with it gone you will enter into a negative feedback loop again. stagnation will bring you back into a negative feedback loop remember that. And as always, read whatever material you can find on TRP.

[–]SuperduperCooper23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd start with what you can control without needing anyone else first. Weight loss, lifting, well fitting/stylish clothes. Once you become attractive you'll be able to have far more opportunities to build confidence through positive reinforcement.

[–]Ascended_One 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, realize that things take time and that contrary to what TRP teaches you, you don't have to be perfect.

I would actually recommend you to avoid TRP subreddit altogether for a while. Just read the books/sidebar. RSD has some good stuff though.

[–]FillingInTheSkanks 50 points51 points  (12 children)

Can you talk about the pendulum swing of the Misandrist movement. Has it reached the tip top and stalled? Tell me I'm in not a bubble, the pushback seems real - it will take some time, but it seems feminism is on its way out.

[–]SpaceTimeinFlux 33 points34 points  (10 children)

Feminism and the whole socjus machine has begun to bite the hand that feeds, turning on their own and engaging in the same behavior they decry. Average Americans are fed up with it and the hammer will come down sooner than later.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 15 points16 points  (2 children)

That's the reason why Trump - who, let's be honest, isn't exactly presidential (to put it mildly) - has won the Republican primaries.

[–]1Soarinc 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Highly agreed -- we are living in an age where stuff can be uploaded to youtube and shared. All the horrible side effects of feminism now easily accumulate and feed the negative feedback loop! Huzzah!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That thing where they went after Amy Schumer was golden. No one batted an eye when gays in florida were thrown under the bus, but that chubby-middle aged comic hack is in the same demographic as most cat lady SJW...

Shit's hitting home

[–]Clispy 21 points22 points  (1 child)

General advice for someone who grew up without a father?

[–]bone80 38 points39 points  (22 children)

So a bartender I've been gaming just saw me out with another hb9 plate. Will this enhance my status or make her shut down? She texted me saying wow.. And i replied saying "i assumed we were both talking to other ppl, we're both attractive so of course." EDIT: Clapped dem cheekz

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 155 points156 points  (6 children)

A lot of guys choke in a situation like this thinking that they overdid things with social proof or preselection. This is a Beta self-test actually. The Beta mind will think 'oh well, shit, I guess she's gonna blow me off now because I'm a proven commodity of attraction for girls who're higher SMV that she is".

It's important that you disabuse yourself of that concept. It's part of your Blue Pill conditioning to think that women will only ever consider themselves out of any one man's league. Not so. Women want to be with guys that other men want to be and other women want to fuck.

[–]bone80 33 points34 points  (4 children)

Thanks Rollo, I've come a really long way in the past 2 years. I knew right away that having another HB9 on my arm would increase my SMV in her eyes. Now its just a waiting game to see the fallout.

[–]p3n1x 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Go get another 9, hopefully you aren't actually "waiting" on the bartender.

[–]teeelo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Shitpost here-

I love your objective analysis and approach Rollo. You're a man that has earned our attention.

[–]ItsHillarysTurn 39 points40 points  (7 children)

First off, excuse the username. This is my troll account. I don't want to comment on my main account.

If she just said "wow..." and nothing else, then you can assume she meant many things. The obvious assumption is, of course, that she meant "wow... how could you do that to me, just be with another girl like that?"

This assumption is just your male hamster running wild. The accurate way to respond would have been (of course hind sight is 20/20) with "Yeah, wow, she was a hot one wasn't she?"

This statement makes it obvious that she (bartender) is not exclusive, and also suggests that she is not as attractive as other girls you pull thereby raising your overall SMV. It also completely trivializes any objections she may have and shows that not even for a second did you consider that the two of you might be exclusive.

By saying what you said, you essentially gave weight to her potential claims that you did something wrong, by defending yourself.

[–]bone80 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Wow, never thought of it that way. Turns out shes just mad now cuz I walked past her without acknowledging her, told me to make it up to her with which I replied "see you at 9pm then" to.

[–]p3n1x 20 points21 points  (3 children)

told me to make it up to her

Careful of her meta-frame. This request is from a position of "i'm the leader, you owe me"... You don't owe her shit. "Making it up to her" is a slow blade that cuts deep over time. She should be "making it up to you" for throwing attitude over childish drama... Keep your Frame!

[–]Your_Coke_Dealer 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I just interpret "make it up to her" as "hey let's fuck". Doesn't matter how some brief meta-frame comment comes off; you're not gonna be seen as a beta when giving her a good dicking

[–]p3n1x 12 points13 points  (1 child)

All meta frame comments matter. Its their long game and they bank on men being "short term" mentally about it. There is a difference between her desiring his dick, and her controlling when sex happens.

"Make it up to me later" is on her terms. It is the slow progression of "anytime you do something I don't like or disagree with, you will perform an action for me."

Don't be blinded because the action is sex. Its like a heroin addict claiming they are in the leadership role with their drug dealer.

you're not gonna be seen as a beta when giving her a good dicking

You absolutely can be seen this way. Your logic makes it sound like Beta's can't be good in bed. You can throw orgasms around like $1's at a strip club, and still be seen as beta.

[–]iamz3ro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly, don't ever justify yourself to women.

[–]Satou4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My instinct was to respond with something about how hot the girl was. Great, maybe I'm improving.

[–]cesarfd 19 points20 points  (6 children)

She just said wow? Shit test her. - Yeah, it's as if this shirt was made to fit me. or some joke like this.

[–]Bitchezbecrayy 23 points24 points  (9 children)

Whatever became of Roissy? A lot of his earlier stuff (07-10) are some of the best there is out there. I see a lot of you and Roosh, but nothing from Roissy. Are you in touch with him? Any detail would be much appreciated.

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 54 points55 points  (8 children)

Roissy, the individual, is gone. Chateau Heartiste changed ownership around 2009 and it's believed that the posts are primarily written by 3 or 4 guys who shared Roissy's sensibilities. Unfortunately CH isn't what it used to be in the golden age. I still like it, but it's far more driven by political, social and racial ideology now.

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[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Frame for sure, but also to exemplify the man you would want your daughter to marry from a Red Pill aware perspective. You need to be the Alpha to whom she compares all the other men in her life to.

[–]ManowaR1488 25 points26 points  (3 children)

What's your take on the Red Pill movie in australia thing.

Also, sign my dick?

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 43 points44 points  (2 children)

I'm not a big fan of the documentary. It was opportunistically titled The Red Pill at the behest of MRAs in order to appropriate a term for which they've always distanced themselves from, but they saw a popular brand.

The movie is only ostensibly about the MRM – it has literally nothing to do with TRP – and is really just a "journey of self-discovery" for its feminist producer Cassie Jaye, exactly as I predicted it would. The MRM will never acknowledge that because they mistakenly believe that any press is good press.

These are the people the MRM would have as the face of TRP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23vLzYuaDcQ

[–]Modredpillschool 23 points24 points  (0 children)

She knew the name would bring controversy as well, thanks namely to our hard work here.

[–]RedEyesBlueShades 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Fucking. Pathetic.

Seriously. Cringeworthy.

The guy in the video clip, that is. Could not watch that until the end, stopped after a few min.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (6 children)

Hi Rollo,

What advice, if any, would you have for a woman working on herself? I've been following TRP for 6 months and it's done wonders for my relationship, but I find female guidance is extremely lacking.

I've learned how to sew, and am working at initiating sex n a more seductive way. Can you recommend anything else I can do to improve my relationship even more?

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Learn to be a complement to a man's life in as conventionally feminine a way as you can. It's a rare woman who cultivates conventional femininity as part of her personality rather than some value-added part of who she is.

[–]Hussssy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Have a read of the surrendered wife, I try to read it a few times a year so it stays fresh. It's an excellent book for women in relationships. There is also a Red Pill Wives reddit account

[–]yyiiii 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First Kill All the Marriage Counsellors is the revised and expanded version of Surrendered Wife. Picked it up to take a look, it was fantastic, showed my wife the author speaking on youtube, and she went out and bought herself a copy. Highly recommended.

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Learn how some Asian women treat their men. They do 100% of the housework, they are submissive, supportive and feminine. Nothing attracts me to a woman (after beauty) more than someone who legitimately wants to take care of me, wants to see me succeed, and wants me to be happy. A pro tip (I swear I am not being crude here for the sake of being crude), but you gotta give up that ass. A woman who does not give her SO anal is not giving all of herself, and that is disrespectful.

[–]tacocobbler 18 points19 points  (3 children)

What are your most rewarding hobbies/pursuits? Thanks for all you do

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 54 points55 points  (2 children)

Rewarding?

A lot of people don't know that I'm an artist by trade. Pretty much any creative endeavor I apply myself to is what I find rewarding. That can be anything artistic I do. I draw, I paint, I dabble in sculpting, I'm an accomplished musician and I write a lot more than just TRP material.

I particularly love it when I can mix my business endeavors with my creative gifts. People know I work in marketing and branding in the gaming (gambling) and liquor industries, but what they don't know is that I'm the principle creative behind pretty much everything I do in my profession. I've created over 50 individual products where I've been responsible for the concept all the way thru to production. I design and illustrate every one of them too.

[–]mugsaucecity 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If it's private no worries, but what do your main business endeavors consist of? How concerned are you with keeping a balance between making money and having enough time to relax?

[–]atlantium65 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Rollo, your post and discussions on sexual fluidity were EXACTLY what happened to my family this year. Dad got sick, mom in mid 40s started dating this younger butch girl and now they live together. She is now "I have a second chance at life to do all the things I never did" This was a big factor in finding red pill.

Will we be seeing this more in our society?

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Yes. And it will be reinforced by the feminine-primary push to marginalize and ridicule the importance of men. Men are superfluous in this societal scheme, but masculine dominance and competency is still necessary and attractive.

Solutions: Imbue women with that masculinity.

I believe we're already beginning to see the widespread push of normalizing transgenderism – 95% of which is male to female – will be the next step in making men into women. This is actually an evo-bio phenomenon in populations where it is more advantageous to be female than male or vice versa.

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Let me preface this by saying I am not a conspiracy theory guy (I give Neoreactionsafe an ear bashing when he starts with that pseudo religious babble). However it is obvious that men control most of the money and power in the world. Do you think the uber elites and uber rich people in the world give a shit about the feminine primary push, or is it just another amusing distraction to the masses for them? The old world rich men (Cecil Rhodes, Rothchilds) wielded tremendous power yet it appears your modern billionaire (manginas such as Zuckerberg and Bill Gates) will simply be handing off their money to help the third world rather than establishing entrenched dynasties. Do you think the old and the new rich power brokers care about these issues at all? My feeling is the whole movement is just a way for the media to sell product by triggering 50% of the population.

[–]RobertCarraway 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Feminism:

1) undermines all male hierarchies that compete with the state for power

2) slows population growth through delayed and limited maternity

Tell me, do you really think Gates foundation supports feminism in the third world through pure altruism? If so I've got ocean front property in Arizona I'd like to sell you. They are stabilizing the system. Not only do they care about these issues, they actively fund feminism. Look at one of the following objectives from their website:

EMPOWER THE POOREST ESPECIALLY WOMEN AND GIRLS, TO TRANSFORM THEIR LIVES

The resistance that RP men have to this idea comes from them not wanting to investigate these ideas for themselves and cognitive dissonance caused by the amount of re-wiring they need to do in their own brains.

The Rockefeller Foundation funded the "New Science of Man" as they called it to promote their twin pillars of eugenics and social control. These are their own stated goals. Look again at the two major impacts of feminism that I listed at the top. Coincidence? Foundations like the Gates foundation act in EXACTLY the same way that the Rockefeller foundation has always acted. See The molecular vision of life and read the foundation's own words.

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[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

There's always going to be a balance in a large format forum like this to filter the blatant trolling and nonsense from what has actual, teachable value for a guy seeking Red Pill answers. I would not run TRP as I do my own comment threads where everything is unmoderated in the interests of distilling the strength of ideas and countervailing arguments.

I think this is very important, but in a forum of this size you'll just end up playing whack a mole with trolls who have no higher function than to prattle about Blue Pill ego-investments because the Red Pill represents an iconoclastic challenge to their very personalities. Playing whack a mole will only lead to an endless string of verifying proof of concept posts and links for trolls who don't really care about it.

So in the interests of reaching out to the newly unplugged it would serve TRP better to have more involved moderation, but with perhaps a new sub forum that accommodates strictly the backing informational studies and statistics that reinforce Red Pill concepts. As TRM has expanded over the years I'm constantly having to backtrack through what I feel are settled concepts that BP critics think are just my unsubstantiated ideas when in fact they are areas I covered extensively in the past and cited many sources to back them up. Consequently, these BP trolls are always asking to have their hands held to find the links because they're too intellectually lazy to do it themselves.

[–]nathanbrisk 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Do you have any plans of ditching the pseudonym?

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

No, but I will likely be a bit more public than I have been when the 3rd book drops.

[–]blackhawks93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's the third book about?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The Rational Male – Preventive Medicine when will this be on Audible?

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Almost done actually. Sam Botta is finishing the reading this month. I don't want to coincide that release with my 3rd book's so it'll likely be within the next month and a half

[–]Gatmanz 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Is the character (bad guy) in 'L.A Confidential' based on you?

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I adopted Rollo Tomassi from LA Confidential as my monicker because it was appropriate for a guy who was getting away with his crimes (telling Red Pill truths).

[–]Modredpillschool 31 points32 points  (15 children)

Hey Rollo, thanks for stopping by. What's your opinion of the involvement of sexual politics/blue pill conditioning in this presidential race. Are we experiencing a large scale representation of the feminine imperative/ war on men?

[–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 60 points61 points  (10 children)

I made the prediction last year that this election would be the first to be decided based on the Red Pill concepts that the 'sphere has been hashing out for 14+ years. I was not disappointed.

As I mentioned above, a Hillary presidency will be the most polarizing force in gender relations that western society has ever known.

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    [–]AnEndlessDream 24 points25 points  (2 children)

    Rollo, what direction do you want to see TRP take these next few years? What do you think should be the ultimate goal within the community? Thank you.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    The ultimate goal should be truth, success and being virtuous. This brings humans in a state of being content.

    Read up on Spartan society, which was very much the example Rome cherry picked and many other civilizations since then. Including our own. They knew the natural laws.

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    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    I've done a modified Max OT routine for going on 6 years now. I also do HIIT cardio on my off days. I do a lot of active stuff too; I fence Saber & Epeé, I kayak and I snowmobile in the winter. I think as you get older form becomes more important. The injuries I get these days aren't from lifting heavy, but rather getting the weight of the rack to do a set. I always end up pulling something when I'm pulling off or re-racking weight.

    I've got a post in the works about Deep Conversion coming soon.

    When I do drink I tend to drink neat, so I like a good Gin. When I'm in Holland I always make a point to take a bottle of Jenever home with me.

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    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

    If you want to actually make money in music, get into the recording and mastering side of things. The industry is a shell of what it used to be. No one develops bands anymore and the only way a band can actually make money is by touring relentlessly and merchandise these days. It's not like it was back in my day.

    I have respect for kids doing it now, but they never had to face the kinds of challenges we did in the late 80s early 90s. Today you can record and mix everything on an iMac that we had to pay for multiple studio session to do back then.

    [–]pokerkid89 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I have read both books and just wanted to say Thank you Rollo!

    [–]scarletspider3 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Really appreciate your work Rollo. You probably saved untold numbers of guys from all kinds of bull-shit. Just wondering if we can get any hints on the theme of your next book?

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Well, it's tentatively titled The Rational Male – The Red Pill, though I may change this.

    Almost a full third of the book is dedicated to Red Pill parenting, but I'm focusing on observations and applications for Red Pill aware men (or making them more aware as the case may be). I think the term "The Red Pill" is becoming bastardized to serve personal agendas of ideologies who've appropriated it because it has some gravity to it. As such, my intent is to provide a clearer overview of how TRP came about and what it really represents to men socially and personally.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    lately people seem to have calmed down about TRP, with respect to that, how do you see TRP evolving over the next few years?

    also which is faster your greyhounds or your skidoo

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

    I believe if Hillary gets elected you'll see a groundswell of men seeking out the community and I really think we need to be prepared for it. Hillary's presidency will be the most polarizing force in gender relations western society has ever known. You will have the extreme elements of the Feminine Imperative at war with the Red Pill aware mindset.

    You will literally see human casualties as a result of a Matriarchy and the naivette of egalitarianism's influences. We need to prepare ourselves for this inevitability.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    What do you mean calmed down?

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    as in i've seen it mentioned less outside of TRP

    [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children)

    Missed the chance last time:

    You asked on Twitter how would you open a table of girls all on smartphones. How would you?

    What's your thoughts on the treatment of greyhounds In spain, especially after hunting season

    Do you prefer skidoo, bombardier, or the Japanese brands?

    Also, you never talk about your wife, but you Made it through raising kids without an incident as best I can tell. How much of her was about quality vetting, and how much was proper 'bitch management' as humansockpuppet would call it?

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 26 points27 points  (4 children)

    When I posted that pic I was petitioning PUAs, I'll leave that up to them to decide.

    Spain is one of the most deplorable countries for Greyhound racing. Their treatment is inhumane and I've read that they sell the dogs to China for food sometimes. I'm not anti-racing, but I am for strict regulation in breeding and training.

    Skidoo and Bombardier are jet ski brands, not snowmobiles. I own a Yamaha 800 in-line 3, 155 long track and I'm considering buying a new Arctic Cat this year.

    I wish I could say vetting from a Red Pill perspective had anything to do with it, but my wife and I have always been on the same team with regard to raising Bebé Tomassi. I would say 10% vetting and 90% Red Pill aware management, but really it's not management since my reflexive responses default to Red Pill reactions.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

    Ouch on the skidoo. Interesting on the wife. Cheerd

    [–]450k_crackparty 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Lol what? Skidoo is most definitely a snowmobile brand. The name is practically a synonym for snowmobile (like kleenex, saran wrap). Not only that, but Bombardier aka BRP is the producer of the Skidoo brand.

    The man is an RP legend, but if you don't know that Skidoo makes fucking skidoos....

    edit: maybe I missed the joke that he thinks Bombardier makes shitty sleds.

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    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 31 points32 points  (1 child)

    Keep this one as a plate and get back in the field. If you're backsliding into a Beta mindset in only a month with this girl that's a bad sign. Furthermore, if sex was just OK, this isn't a good omen either.

    Your SMV is high now, but consider what it will be when you're a lawyer at 36 years old. Would you rather be able to explore your options then, or take the lack luster girl you have now?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    You haven't entirely killed the beta, and the almost-unicorn you found is resurrecting it.

    If you are red pill aware, Im sure you know what will happen to her career, her libido, and her submissiveness once she got your commitment locked in.. you cannot afford to become optionless

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    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 45 points46 points  (0 children)

    Well, if Hillary gets elected I expect copies of The Rational Male will be read in secret by candlelight by groups of men like the Bible in communist China.

    Hard to say, but I think men ought to understand that it's an indictment of a feminine-primary social order that feminists like Jessica Valenti can write self-conflicting feminist agit-prop for the Guardian and make a good living while men fear for their jobs and livelihood for posting Red Pill comments or Tweets online.

    I will likely be a bit more public with my persona after the 3rd book drops, but even still, it's impossible to shake the stigma of "misogyny" no matter how successful a Red Pill author you are. The mainstream loves an easily hate-able villain and nothing is more satisfying than a straight man who plays into the misogynist narrative.

    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    1) It's easy, just shut the fuck up. Act dumb about your knowledge and keep good vibes to blend in. You'd be amazed how little people care for content as opposed just 'being cool' and laid back. Vibe > Content.

    Sidenote:

    People have this need to be percieved as 'enlightened'. Get over it. It's just mental masturbation. TRP (the sub) is just one manifestation of enlightenment. It could be about the Federal Reserve, the truth's about slavery, or politics, something truth related. Redpill truth is heavy. Heavy = unpleasant. People that argue buzz topics aren't looking to come to a collective truth, they're just seeking an emotional buzz within blue pill boundaries (no red pill).

    I have a group from this sub that I meet with here and there, and I don't even talk about anything 'red pill'. People have gone all week doing the 9-5 and commuting. When they hang out, they just wanna have fun and chill. Forming a group with TRP sub vetting process just puts the mind at ease knowing everyone around you is of the same mindset and don't have to censor yourself if TRP is appropriate to discuss. Outside that, the whole 'discussing philosophy and TRP theory in a room'-fantasy is bullshit. Keep that shit to yourself and have fun.

    2) Be financially independent via self-employment so that you can't be fired by HR. On top of that, don't mix your identity with the business and only speak to management. Delegate the interactions with the lessers to management so that you don't get SJW hordes making slander and protest campaigns online and at your front door.

    Most of all, no matter what happens, always hold frame. Even when you're outed. Never apologize. Never explain yourself. It will only make matters worse. Humans instinctively despise weakness and will double down on their tactics just because they smell it on you.

    3) If you do browse the manosphere in public, make sure nobody is within eye shot of your screen. Most people don't care if others can see what they're doing on their phone because they're engaging in activity acceptable by the blue pill i.e. facebook and fantasy football. Anything manosphere related is a no-no. Have a password on your phone too.

    4) Did I mention shut the fuck up? I promise, if you feel there's a window of opportunity to slip in some 'enlightenment' you get a textbook bluepill regurgitation and backlash. I tried many times in the past, especially when I was a newb here. Don't even bother. Read the material and interact online for your intellectual fix, then move on by ACTING the red pill and shut up.

    [–]AlligatorNicoli 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    Rollo, have you ever had a psychedelic experience? There's emergent neuroscience research in the last decade demonstrating the efficacy of substances like psilocybin (found in magic mushrooms) and LSD ("acid") to facilitate profound change in an individual's personality (i.e. increased openness, novelty-seeking). Looking back I realize that my unplugging was concurrent with when I first began using psychedelics, 2-3 years ago, after stumbling onto The Rationale Male. Could psychedelics be a useful tool in helping other men unplug (especially the hard-cases)?

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

    Yes. When I was 19-20 I dropped acid and I've done mushrooms too. I get that LSD and ayahusca are reality "widening" experiences, and I understand they can be useful, but I can't really endorse using drugs now.

    I was in no way unplugged when I did them in my youth, but I don't doubt the possible aid they might be for some guys. That said, and this is coming from a veteran of the liquor industry, I think men need to learn to Game and come to the Red Pill without the use of alcohol or drugs. Too many guys use booze as a buffer against rejection, or they're only 'on' when they get a buzz on.

    [–]wtfawdNoWeddingShoes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I can second your personal experience. I spent a few years doing a lot of drugs (MDMA and LSD primarily) and some of the experiences/insights they left me with made it very clear that things were not as they should be. I've scaled way back now, but the realizations and insights I had have not changed. I ended a LTR that was going to fail eventually and focused on myself.

    The effect psychadelic experiences have on users have a lot to do with where they are in their lives, they types of literature they're consuming, and what their personal philosophy is at the time, imo. I was deep into neuroscience and evolutionary psychology/biology and those things combined led me to TRP and I feel it all tied together so perfectly that I couldn't find a single fault in it. I have since benefitted greatly from internalizing many RP truths and seeing the world as it is, and understanding core concepts such as AWALT and the fact that TRP isn't about PUA or Game, it's about giving men the tools they need to be real men, and real men don't need PUA or game (for the most part) because they radiate power, authority, and decisiveness.

    Add onto that attractiveness and confidence, and you can have all the pussy you want... if you want it. It's all a fucking game, and the rules are so fucked, and there are so many different rule-sets, TRP gets rid of all the superfluous rulesets that are purely societal constructs and focuses on the evolutionary biology/psychology aspects that we all operate on at our most primal levels.

    [–]reddestlurker 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Rollo, thanks for your invaluable input into the collective body of knowledge we call TRP. I have read your previous responses to the marriage question, to marry or not to marry? To my redpill brothers living in the western world, I understand its a big NO. However, I am Kenyan and over here its a fault divorce system. Even though Divorce rates are steadily climbing as the feminist wave steadily hits these shores, I personally don't know a divorcee yet. That's no reason to celebrate though, marriages over here take a huge toll on men. The betaization process by women who don't see a way out of marriage can be quite vicious. I'm 25, just finished a STEM degree, with a 30+ notch count that includes married women (this opened my eyes more than anything) and i'd like your perspective. Would you advise me to get married?

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    No. You're still 10 years out from your peak SMV. Why marry (really at all) when you'll be in a better position of selection at 35?

    Establish yourself and your base worth now while you're single and unencumbered with the responsibilities of marriage or kids and you'll be in a far better position in a decade, with a firm understanding of your SMV to women.

    [–]uhhthelonious 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Any advice on how to avoid triggering "buyer's remorse"? For example: a woman regretting sexual/emotional interaction after the fact; saying she "should've have never gotten invloved", etc. once she sees you are not going to commit to her...

    For the record, I have a tendency to act more serious with women than I intend to because I like to take them on lengthy, couple-like dates; even though they're just plates.

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 31 points32 points  (1 child)

    Your over-investment in these women is likely the source of their buyer's remorse. You need to learn the concept of bread crumbs and allowing a woman to want to invest in you.

    https://therationalmale.com/2012/02/22/breadcrumbs/

    [–]Chiptehubah 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    This is what I needed.

    Ive had it all so far but I have loose lips. Breadcrumbs. Ive got to remind myself that Im leading them on and not trying to be their friend.

    [–]KIZAN 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    I've havent actually read the book (planning to) but the price is really good. Also, Is there an online version?

    [–]fingerthemoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I just bought the Kindle version and it comes with the audible for only $1.99. About $11 total, cheaper than just the Audible with was $17.99 (iirc). They have a cool sync as well.

    We'll worth it and exactly what I've been looking for, something to listen to in the car before a date to help me maintain my frame.

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    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 26 points27 points  (3 children)

    Know that you 'know' nothing and be open to mentoring, apprenticeship and instruction in all aspects of life.

    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    It's important to note that you shouldn't disregard wisdom just because the guy is bluepill or beta. The puzzle pieces of life are scattered among the population. Use people for what they're good for by customizing your interaction with them based on their vibe, then move on. People really need to get over this 100% uber alpha-redpill 24/7 fantasy.

    [–]BlackJ1 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    What's up Rollo, I've got a question on the relevance of MGTOW when it comes to the manosphere in general. Do you believe it's possible for a man to self-actualize in the absence of women and even sex?

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    No. If what you mean by self-actualize is based on Maslow's hierarchy, no.

    They'll disagree of course, but in my estimate a full life experience entails interacting with women (GFs, mothers, sisters, co-workers, etc.) and having actual sex with an actual woman.

    https://therationalmale.com/2013/06/26/you-need-sex/

    [–]_the_shape_ 8 points9 points  (10 children)

    How satisfied are you with the direction of the manosphere at large from day 1 to where we are now? What are your thoughts on more writers taking up the fight and spreading the message even further?

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 30 points31 points  (9 children)

    God, I wish there were more Red Pill writers. When I read there was going to be a documentary film about 'The Red Pill' I was thinking, "hmm, no one contacted me for an interview" nor was Roosh consulted or any of the very few Red Pill writers of note. Later I find it's the MRM and they're appropriating TRP for a doc about them.

    But in that minute I realized that there are really precious few heavy hitters in the 'sphere that really write RP material. That's not to say there aren't some great writers in the 'sphere, just that most stick to isolated niches, PUA, MGTOW, MRAs, TRP, but all from very specific perspectives.

    I don't read Roosh very much since he's really exited the manosphere to reinvent himself as an alt-right pundit. But he used to be someone I'd read daily. Same with Heartiste. I feel like I'm the last of the three 'R's of the manosphere who's still doing what he does.

    I expect that after this election is over you'll see a lot of these guys sudden't rediscover the 'sphere. I've always felt that TRP needs to be apolitical, areligious, amoral and not linked to any social agenda, because when you associate TRP with any of that it takes on the characteristics of those influences. Then TRP becomes meaningless. That's why I have such a problem with this documentary slapping TRP on its title – it is in no way representative of TRP, but now it's got the stink of the MRM on it.

    And they're not the only ones, the alt-right adopt TRP to mean anything they consider truth. Be that as it may, both of them just debase what so many men have put together as TRP for so very long.

    [–]haxurmind 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I've always felt that TRP needs to be apolitical, areligious, amoral and not linked to any social agenda

    Given feminism's links to everything else, anything that stands to counter feminism (the manosphere included) is bound to appear in equal measure as an opposing force wherever feminism appears.

    Even the mantra of TRP, 'enjoy the decline', stands counter to feminism as it teaches men to put themselves first instead of burning ourselves out to serve others.

    [–]wtfawdNoWeddingShoes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I know I'm a bit late to the party, but I've been following this subreddit closely for the past 3 years. About a year prior to cutting off my LTR (partly due to adopting many of the things here led to that, which I have no regrets about) I really started to change my ways. I read everything in the sidebar, "No More Mr. Nice Guy" was a real wake-up call for me, and I'd love to delve into some of the earlier stuff.

    I know you are one of the more influential members of the early movement, and that it started as PUA stuff (and that MRA stuff is like the retarded step-child of TRP) and has evolved into the high quality TRP type stuff we see here today, though sadly the quality has dropped in the past few years since this sub has gained greater popularity.

    Other than your books, Might is Right, stuff by GLO, (I just added Practical Female Psychology: For the Practical Man and Why Men Are the Way They Are to my reading list,) what would you suggest I dig into in order to get a more... grounded and historically relevant view on how the "manosphere" ended up where it is now.

    I'm fascinated in the historical/anthropological perspective on TRP and how it came to be. It's clear by many different metrics the reasons it is the way it is. I understand it is not MRA, it is not PUA, it is a philosophy and toolbox for men on how to be men in today's world. I plan on taking up writing, and this topic is one of my passions, and would love to contribute in some way. I would love to hear from you, I really respect your opinion and the major role you've played in making this community what it is today.

    Thanks in advance!

    [–]stickfiguresk 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    I've always felt that TRP needs to be apolitical, areligious, amoral and not linked to any social agenda

    But doesn't TRP philosophy line up extremely well with libertarianism? Like an instruction manual to becoming Ayn Ran's wet dream? Amoral, I can agree with. Areligious: there's probably a western culture argument there.

    As much as it seems counter intuitive, I don't think it can be both apolitical AND amoral/"not linked to any social agenda." I know I'm not the only one that got much more conservative after discovering TRP. Not looking to install any legislation is still a political stance.

    [–]En-Zu 8 points9 points  (4 children)

    Is it possible to be RP without having the pick up artist mentality/drive?

    I ask because I find I actually find it a lot more satisfying to sate my sex drive with a low-key but still sorta monogamous relationship and I wonder if not caring about pua and "game" is adversely affecting me.

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

    Absolutely. In fact, I daresay that most RP guys are RP 'aware' but never really put that awareness into practice.

    Beware that you don't get caught up trying to fulfill Blue Pill idealistic goals with Red Pill awareness though.

    https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/22/dream-girls-and-children-with-dynamite/

    [–]En-Zu 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    What would fulfilling blue pill idealistic goals with red pill awareness even look like?

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Purple pill. Pursuing your oneitis with "RP tactics". Self improvement for the sake of women and not for yourself.

    Some claim pursuing marriage even while RP aware but shit I want kids and I dont want them to be raised by a single mother. I plan to take the harder path because I want to raise red pilled men and women who will be solid foundations of future society. Some men have to do it, but those that do tread a fine line between red and purple (and perhaps even blue...).

    [–]growingstronk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Searching for the happy ever after as a main goal while using red pill principles to get it

    [–]teeelo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Rollo, how old were you approximately when you began this passion for writing?

    Can you type out one of your blog posts in a few hours?

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I've always loved story telling since I was about 12, but I wouldn't say it was a compulsion until I got into writing in college, a LOT. Honestly, my old SoSuave posts, my blog and the books are really an extension of the compulsive writing habit I developed back then. My mind wont let me not write now, so I keep a notebook with me all the time so I don't forget ideas as they come to me.

    Depends on the post. Sometimes I get a really clear idea and grind away at it. Those are posts that take 1-1.5 hours. Then there are posts in my drafts folder that sit there for months until I get some new insight about the topic and I craft the essay of a period of time. Most of my longer, more involved essays are like this.

    [–]awayofthought 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    What do you have to say about the cluster-fuck that is called college in America? How many more mens' futures need to be fucked up in false sexual assault claims before America wakes up? So far this school year, two of my friends have been claimed as rapist and kicked off campus.

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    What's going to happen is that the campus culture will become so hostile and so strewn with risks that only feminized men and 'progressive' women will populate major universities. Free speech is already stifled at most, but you'll notice that that speech is only countervailing ideological thought to what's approved and comfortable to those institutions.

    Campus culture is for women, by women young men entering these universities ought to have a required course that educates them on the risks they subject themselves to by attending a college, much less uttering a dissenting argument about the prevalent ideology in a class.

    [–]ReasonFreak 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Hi Rollo, huge fan, you're my favorite manosphere writer.

    I was just wondering if you have any thoughts as to the roots of the SJW phenomenon and if you see them getting bigger or smaller in the coming years and decades?

    My take is that they're a kind of grand alliance of the SMP's biggest losers. Mainly ugly women, weak men, and non heterosexuals who feel entitled to more options. Personally, I believe the spheres of society that are dominated by SJW's today (Old Media, Universities) will still be dominated by them in the future but that those spheres of society will shrink in relevance with regards to the rest of society.

    Thoughts?

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Here's a secret, everyone is a social justice warrior. The only difference is what one considers "justice".

    Justice to me is a society that respects conventional masculinity and evolved complementary sex roles. One that recognizes, respects and celebrates the innate differences between binary genders instead of delusions of transgenderism. I could go on, but you get the idea.

    TRP is a form of social education and I think most RP aware men will at some point advocate for it or try to unplug other men. Is that not a form of activism?

    I'm fully onboard with resisting the pop-culture undercurrent of what we call SJW's, but it's their ideology that I disagree with. Once the pendulum swings back towards conventional masculinity, nationalism or what have you, that's when we need to be careful of how we employ the same weapons that SJWs are only too happy to use now on ourselves.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Hello Rollo, How do you maintain a frequent sex life when you've been married a long time ?

    Most of the married men I know tend to seem like they never get sex and only a select few claim to get it almost everyday but I'm a sceptic.

    Maintaining SMV is of course key, but what do you do if she starts swatting your hands away and saying "no" or getting an excuse when you go for it more times than her submitting to you. Is it simply a loss of attraction? The great Patrice would say "let a bitch know you have options" but if you're doing everything by the book and you're noticing she's slowly tapering off wanting your cock and starts duty fucking you less and less frequently.

    Attraction cannot be negotiated, talking to her about it would be pointless and only temporarily work, if that all. Besides "upping the dread" or pitching her and getting it elsewhere, what would you recommend

    I really hope you see this, I've wanted to ask you this for a long time. Love your work, thank you for everything you've done for myself and the community

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I'm sort of in a unique position with regards to my Game in marriage. Due to my talents and my career I've always enjoyed a high degree of social proof and preselection well into my marriage. That combined with my staying in shape and my covertly requiring Mrs. T to stay in good shape also helps.

    I only use passive forms of dread and most times even I'm not aware I'm using it. It's a natural extension of my personality and the social company I keep.

    I have sex with my wife as often as I want, but when you get into this kind of intersexual dynamic, it becomes less of a concern for me. I don't focus on how many times I'me getting laid in a week like most married guys. I don't have quotas for my wife, in fact I'd rather have 2-3 really intense sex sessions with her than 7-8 lackluster duty sex sessions. Guys who keep quotas defeat any passive dread that would organically inspire their wives to fuck them more freely.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    What is your opinion about female promiscuity and how it could correlate between a males beta mindset. A.k.a. Sluts and Betas are the same. One gives away time freely, the other gives away sex freely. Their respective sexual currency. And so both are examples of low value. Men don't commit to sluts, Women don't have sex with betas.

    I've not seen you cover any of this in your past articles, yet it would explain allot of dynamics. For example, when a man breaks frame and proves himself a beta- the woman is disgusted. When a woman slips up and turns out to be a slut- the man is disgusted.

    Both end up in loss of attraction for the opposing sex. Is this the missing link the Manosphere has been ignoring all this time?

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Every man wants a slut, he just wants her to be HIS slut. https://therationalmale.com/2012/01/06/the-slut-paradox/

    You'd be surprised by how many men commit to sluts. In 2016 it's almost an impossibility not to. The problem with your equation here is that in a feminine-primary social order the slut is generally forgiven while the Beta is universally punished by order of degrees.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl 6 points7 points  (7 children)

    First off, thank you. Your books are entertaining, insightful, and have improved my life. I'm very grateful for your work.

    Second, I know a young man (16) that reminds me of myself at that age. I gave him Rational Male, and told him to reach out anytime with questions. Do you have any age appropriate tips I would share?

    [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 16 points17 points  (6 children)

    TRM book 3 will have a substantial portion of it devoted to Red Pill parenting, but one primary thing you can do is serve as an example to him.

    Again. demonstrate, do not explicate. Don't get together with the express purpose of talking about Red Pill things, but rather plan something to do together where you might be able to talk as a byproduct of whatever project you're doing together.

    Women talk, men do.

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      [–]setzer_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I like this... I always thought I'd raise an absolute badass son but somewhat clueless on how to raise a daughter. Thanks for the post.

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      You're going to like my new book, all I'm saying.

      [–]Incredulous_Ed 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      Hi Rollo, just want to say thank you for everything you do - I was fortunate enough to discover your writing when I was 19, and I can't tell you how grateful I am that it wasn't any later than that. It's kind of interesting - I see an LCSW through my healthcare provider every month and he's a big fan of yours. In fact, he said I'm the only person he's met in real life who knew about the red pill/manosphere.

      Recently you've written about the feminization of the western church, and being an active church go-er, I've seen a lot of it first hand - which of course, makes me a bit skeptical about taking relationship advice from some of these folks.

      I can't really see myself in a relationship with a non christian, just due to differing wold views. There aren't many young women in the church scene where I'm at, so where does that leave me in the meantime? Casually date outside my religious views? Or just self imposed celibacy? What am I missing out on by not dating? Thank you again for your time.

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 24 points25 points  (1 child)

      Just know that you're deliberately limiting your experience with women by choosing to date within a specific belief parameter. We all do this to an extent, but in the case of men in the church, and the blatantly open feminization of it, this makes for a cohort of men given to rationalizing their dating or sexless conditions to religious reasonings that are corrupted by a feminine-primary influence.

      In your case I would be careful of how you let this affect your maturity and the development of your Game and social skill sets. Most religious guys I know are very self-righteously Beta and their social skill set never develops past what their youth pastors (Betas themselves) have told them Godly Chicks dig.

      Be careful that you don't get lost in the Quest for the Righteous Fox. She doesn't exist:

      https://therationalmale.com/2011/12/08/chasing-amy/

      [–]ImPerToo 8 points9 points  (6 children)

      Hi Rollo, One question I posted to askTRP, and I'd also like to hear your opinion: Is it worthwhile to act ignorant/dumber than I am in my career/relationships/friendships?

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 54 points55 points  (1 child)

      Law 21 Play a Sucker to Catch a Sucker – Seem Dumber than your Mark

      No one likes feeling stupider than the next persons. The trick, is to make your victims feel smart – and not just smart, but smarter than you are. Once convinced of this, they will never suspect that you may have ulterior motives.

      It's certainly applicable when you're determining the motivation of others.

      [–]ImPerToo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I have yet to read that book but I will be on to it asap. Thanks Rollo

      [–]MotiMorphosys 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Good afternoon, Rollo! Do you think that hypergamy and feminism are primarily the result of cultures glamorizing sexuality? And, how do you think the average man would act if the tables were turned and he had the sexual options that the average woman has? Thanks for your work, keep it up!

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

      Hypergamy is the result of biological and evolved motivators, not a social outcome. Feminism is a social adaptation with the latent purpose of optimizing Hypergamy for the greatest number of women possible while diminishing all male influence in the process of their optimizing it.

      Culture didn't create sex. Sexuality is glamorized because it serves an evolutionary imperative. Evolution doesn't care about glamor, it only cares that you're having sex.

      Look at the ubiquitousness of free online porn and you'll understand what men would do if the tables were switched.

      [–]HangisLife 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      TRP has given us the ability to see how transient emotions are and why we shouldn't base any important decisions on short term emotions. How do you short-circuit negative thinking? For instance, that immense feeling of negativity that succumbs you after the girl that you've been flirting with all night starts making out with a random, or the project you've been working is falling apart.

      Bonus if possible: Giving up alcohol, especially when going out. Any advice?

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Remove yourself from that negative environment and focus on activities that produce a positive dopamine effect. Work out, listen/play music, do something creative, review your past successes, etc. Then get back in the Game when you're in a better frame of mind.

      Giving up alcohol: Good idea, and that's coming from a guy in the industry. I always tell guys they need to be less domain dependent when it comes to Game. Alcohol is a big element of that domain dependency. You need to be able to capitalize on Game opportunities is a variety of environments, but if all you ever associate socializing with girls with is in a club with a drink in hand you're limiting you capacity to calibrate, adapt and improvise.

      https://therationalmale.com/2014/12/23/domain-dependence/

      [–]_PowerBull 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      How did you or what made you swallow your red pill?

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      Three things. The first was reading Dr. Warren Farrell's book "Why Men Are The Way They Are". I read this in the early 90s when there was no Red Pill or manosphere and it was a wilderness of fempowerment coming from all sides.

      This book opened my eyes to a lot of the mechanics of intersexual relations. It's kind of a shame now, because Farrell is really a very Blue Pill egalitarian in the same vein as MRAs, but at the time it awoke me to what I was involved in.

      Second was the experience I had with my BPD girlfriend and learning just how persona-altering it was once I was free of her.

      Third was my education in behavioral psychology and connecting a lot of dots with regard to how intersexual relations we're really a calculated series of operant conditioning techniques that women instinctually used with men.

      [–]trppr 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Is evolutionary psychology the foundational psychological theory underpinning your writing?

      If so, how would you use it to explain the feminine imperative?

      The reason I am asking is because your use of the feminine imperative in your 2nd book (and your blog) seems to accord more with a collective female psyche a la Jung. Furthermore, I also see certain mainstream psychoanalytic concepts, primarily the 'subconscious' being used without any connection to evolutionary psychology. How would you connect the two?

      Thanks!

      P.S. Please get an editor for your next book so I can recommend it to more people :)

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      Evo-Psych is a very important discipline that informs a lot of my own and many other writers works, whether they acknowledge it or not. I also use quite a bit of behavioral psych and evo-bio in my work too.

      I coined the term Feminine Imperative because I felt there needed to be a more comprehensive term with regard to the feminine influence as a gestalt whole in society, in evo-bio motives, in psyche and in intersexual dynamism. So in a way, yes, the FI would account for Jung's psyche, but in 2016 we have far more evidence of the biological and sociological influences of the feminine.

      To many guys want to just simplify the bad aspects of the FI and call it feminism, but there's so much more to it than that. Feminism is an ideological extension of the FI, one that wields more and more power, but it's still founded on serving the interests of the FI.

      It's funny how evo-psych is used in the mainstream these days. Usually it's cited as evidence of a concept or else it's some fem-blogger looking to use an isolated study as click-bait. I do my best to consider the entirety of evo-psych but a lot of critics discount evo-psych mostly because it confirms a lot their own misgivings. Evo-psych always seem deterministic and if you know anything about the non-sexual applications of evo-psych you know that's not so. It's when you consider evo-psych in intersexual terms with winners and losers that it gets personal for them.

      [–]trppr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Agreed it's a great term!

      Would be interested in a blog post fleshing out the connection between biology, psychology, and the FI.

      [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      People's avoidance of evo-psyche is caused by us personifying human-beings too greatly. It's self-pedastooling that prevents accurate assessment. We are just talking animals traversing a concrete jungle dressed in silkworm ass-byproduct. We are animals that do everything we can to ignore and sugar coat our true primal motives (sex) so that others (the masses) will cooperate in civilization. It is becoming our demise.

      [–]LaRedPill 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      Are you planning to translate the books? (to spanish for example) I started my blog in spanish exactly because there are almost no real resources for men in my language. And I would love to have your book, translated, to my kin and friends.

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      You know, I've been looking into other translations recently, but I'm focused on book 3 now. It'll be a definite priority in 2017.

      [–]M3K33L 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      What is your opinion of a high schooler unplugging? Do you find that to be good, in the sense of a head start? What are some things I could do to practice game and general TRP things without running too much risk of isolating myself within the school?

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      This is a good forum for a high school guy unplugging questions: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/index.php?forums/high-school-forum.16/

      [–]SickOfIt518 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Can you write a book specifically for marriage game? I own TRM already.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Hi Rollo. 😊

      Have you had any pets that were not greyhounds?

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Oh yeah, I had an english pit and a Chowbrador.

      [–]PranksterLad 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Rollo, I've actually emailed you privately, however, you did not answer to my last email. I'm struggling to get over a bad oneitis ex who seems to tick a few of the BPD boxes. It's been six months, I've fucked hotter girls than her, but I still think of her, still miss her, hell I dream of her. Is there anything else I can do, nothing else is working. Is there anyway to get her back since I cannot take this anymore.

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      No. And as I told you, never root through garbage once you drag it to the curb. https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/08/rooting-through-garbage/

      [–]1KyfhoMyoba 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Do. Not. Put. Your. Dick. In. Crazy.

      Even if you did once before, before you knew it was crazy. Don't repeat the mistake.

      [–]Zombie_GiveMeBrain 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Hi Rollo I'm currently writing a college senior research essay on marriage laws in the united states. Part of the research includes interviewing 2 people relevant to the topic. I was wondering if in the near future you were willing to answer some questions I'd have prepared? Cheers and thanks for your contribution to TRP

      [–]Ou-tis 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Hi Rollo, since I think your book is a fundamental in awareness, is it possible to translate in other languages?How can I contact you to discuss the thing?

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Can i skype you , i would like to talk you for a few minutes. Thx my skype: live:frincu_daiurs

      copy everything from ,,live:frincu_darius " Thx ,wish you the best.

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I am doing one on one consults again so yes.

      If anyone else is interested I'd be happy to talk to you. I do charge for my time, but it's a pay-what-you-want arrangement. Leave me a message on my About comment thread and I'll set something up with you:

      https://therationalmale.com/about/

      [–]corsega 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Does your wife know about your blog? Does she agree with what you write?

      [–]TheRationalMale.comRollo-Tomassi[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Of course.

      For the most part she agrees, but I enjoy it when she doesn't because then I get to test my ideas against her own preconceptions. She does read certain posts that I think are good and I link her.

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