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Red Pill TheoryDo NOT date or marry women with mental health issues [Repost] (self.TheRedPill)

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Listen up chucklefucks, I'm going to be resposting some of my more popular threads because you goofs aren't reading the top post around here. Consider this as being my good graces as I'm still willing to help you lovable losers.

We have mountains of quality information for you to pour through to not only figure out how to get into relationships, or get laid, but also how to avoid the many pitfalls that comes along with that newfound success. The following is one such example of the latter. Now GET to READING those top threads!


I've said it before, Tom Leykis has said it before, and many others around Reddit have said it before time and time again. DO NOT DATE WOMEN WITH MENTAL ISSUES.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20mWTD0FK3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMEdK0RgEn4

I cannot tell you how many times I've seen guys get roped into relationships with women who are bi-polar, NPD, or BPD and the hell that followed. I'm guilty of this as well, so I'm speaking from experience.

Often times they'll rope you in while in a manic phase and everything is all good, perhaps even better than you've ever experienced before, but like they say "if something is too good to be true..." You guys have got to learn about Early Frame Announcements (EFA) (skip to ~4:00) and what they are in terms of mental illness red flags. I'm not an expert on all of them, but common examples are flying off the handle at little things, withdrawing sex for no apparent reason, chronic depression, and I'm sure there are mile long lists of this stuff a doctor could dig up. I'll leave it you to google the symptoms so you know what to look for since I'm sure I'm not doing this justice. My reason for posting this is so you guys can avoid the pitfalls of women like the ones I and friends have had to deal with in our lives. Just don't date them. The crazy isn't worth the sex or whatever it is they're trying to rope you in with.

And just to hammer home the point of why you shouldn't get into relationships with women with mental issues, mental illness qualifies for at-fault divorce! If you can legally divorce someone who's bi-polar, BPD, etc, what's that tell you about them being relationship material to begin with?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grounds_for_divorce_(United_States)#Mental_illness

I want you to really think about all of this the next time you see red flags (EFA) you're not sure about when you're deciding if you should invest your time, money, and commitment.

h/t to /u/veege2007 bringing up the following point about safely exiting a relationship with crazy...

THE EXIT STRATEGY

For guys who realize they're dating or married to crazy, how do you extradite yourself from the situation without all hell breaking loose? I've found going full beta is the safest method of all for getting out unscathed. At worst you'll have to swallow your pride and go without sex for a while when her pussy clamps shut, but in the long run you'll be much better off.

Why this is better is because going "full beta" makes her initiate the resolution phase as described in the videos above and it's much less severe than should you be the one rejecting her. The consequences of letting her do the rejection is much milder than the reverse.

This doesn't mean you be the beta provider or give her validation though. What I'm talking about is all of the negative beta traits such as being clingy, needy, and so on. (there are good beta traits that balance out good alpha traits -- read the Married Man Sex Life Primer for more info).

Anyway, it's THOSE negative beta traits you really want to go over the top with to initiate an low conflict break from a crazy chick.


[–]legitniga 231 points232 points  (59 children)

Just spent 2.5 years with a borderline personality disorder girl. Can confirm it will fucking destroy your soul if you let it.

At the end of the day I managed to get out and come out a stronger person, but borderlines can quickly do irreparable damage to an unsuspecting male, dont become their next victim.

[–]1Inchado 106 points107 points  (30 children)

The passion they can feel for you after only knowing you for a while is the real problem. You've been waiting to get validated by a hot girl like that your whole life and she's mad crazy for you.

Embrace that with your eyes shut and you'll wake up with a knife in your back.

I'm thankful I was diligent enough to quit it once I saw it. It only meant I had a girl texting me from unblocked phone numbers, begging me to be with her, insulting me for being cold and stalking me around for a few months.

[–]RxCubed 43 points44 points  (5 children)

Damn reading that gave me some flashbacks and chills. One second I'm god incarnate, the next I'm worthless scum she's trying to get locked up with false accusations. Never again.

I'm just glad she burned me and not the other way around because she's the type of girl that'd literally kill you. She blew up her exes car but she claimed it was because of abuse (she got locked up for this as a minor), didn't realize it was all lies until I suddenly became the alleged "abuser." She had diagnosed BPD, bipolar, and an eating disorder. What an idiot I was.

Only silver lining was the amazing sex and she could suck a golf ball through a garden hose plus she was so hot she became a professional model even posing for playboy numerous times (small tits but the rest more than made up for it). Also, the invaluable life long lessons have saved me from going through the same thing with other crazies.

[–]RandyBumgardner85 14 points15 points  (4 children)

Can confirm all of this. Dated a BPD for 7 months. I was either the greatest man on the planet or the most worthless piece of shit. Nothing in between.

She always claimed her ex tried to strangle her. Even in the most beta stage of my life I didn't believe this. Two years after we broke up I bumped into her and two friends in a club. One of the friends later came up to me and told me she knew I had tried to strangle my ex. I laughed and told her to fuck off.

Nowadays if any woman claims to me an ex used to batter her, I'm out of there. Weather true or not, it's a giant fuck off red flag.

Best sex I ever had by far. Only girl I ever banged who knew how to suck a dick properly.

I honestly think dating a BPD is a right of passage
for every man. It doesn't matter how many people warn you about them, if you've not experienced it before, when one selects you as her target, you'll blindly follow her to your doom. I've seen friends ignore the exact same Red flags I did despite me explicitly warning them about those red flags.

A good example is a chick demanding a Facebook relationship status after you've banged her once. Happened to me, then two of my mates. All complied.

[–]DissaprovalOctopus 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Good advice, are there any other red flags you can think off?.

[–]RandyBumgardner85 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Everything is black or white with a BPD. No middle ground. Everyone from their past (ex's etc) was either an abusive scumbag or the love of their life. They'll swing between worshipping you and despising you. Their moods will go from delirious to black. When a BPD is in a bad state the eyes glaze over and it honestly feels like they have been possessed by the devil.

They are bad with money, shit test constantly, fly into violent rages, extremely submissive in bed, loving being fucked in the ass, push hard for commitment in the first week of dating, will constantly try to make you jealous. A truly RedPill aware man should pick up enough signs to completely ghost a BPD within a few meetings.

They are ALWAYS professional victims and will come to you with stories of abuse at the hands of previous boyfriends/family members. In many cases, stories of childhood abuse will contain some truth (this is how they develop BPD) but don't hang around to find out either way.

They also like to falsely claim to have some terminal illness. Mine claimed to have a life expectancy of 40 due to her (real) diabetes. This broke my heart until I googled it and discovered that type1 diabetics are generally expected to live only 5 years shorter than healthy people.

[–]MickMensa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everything from "They are bad with money..." onward matches perfectly with my experience. I think it's very common for BPDs to be the last straw for a man - the trigger that makes us recognise a need for change.

Your last paragraph is spot on too. Claims of terminal illness are the ultimate victim fantasy for BPDs and are used to solicit attention and commitment as they appeal to the male protector instinct. Once when I broke up with a girl she straight up told me that she had seen doctors, been diagnosed with an illness, and would be dead in a matter of weeks/months. She's fine.

Perhaps the strong attraction many men feel for these women is because their femininity at first seems so concentrated. Their extreme sexuality, submissiveness, and desire to please make them appear to be perfect LTR material. By the time their dark side is revealed we are already on the hook.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are often others like them being very irresponsible with money (need to borrow money a lot to get by).

[–]gjs628 8 points9 points  (2 children)

At the same turn, I would be wary of labelling female behaviour as inherently psychotic when it’s simply women being women.

Because male emotions are generally more measured and regulated, it’s strange to think that everybody else in the world doesn’t think and feel this way. It’s not that a woman’s emotions are any different to ours, it’s that their reception of emotion is more sensitive to the point of being overwhelming. Think of it like touching a hot stove with a calloused finger compared to scrapping the skin off totally and then touching it. The heat doesn’t change, the perception of it does.

Pretty much all women, even the most measured and intelligent ones, are prone to emotional stings depending on stresses, hormones etc. If an emotion hits them and they aren’t insulated against it then it overwhelms them.

Women with borderline personalities, I would argue, respond far more severely to emotions, hence the manic happiness and severe depression which seems weird to us. The emotions are felt far more strongly and your current view of the world is filtered largely through emotions for women. The best guy in the world can become the biggest asshole in existence because he left the toilet seat up and she just happened to have missed a deadline at work and is now very emotionally conductive. Again, it’s like running current through copper vs rubber. My point is to accept that all women can be psycho at times and to adjust your expectations accordingly. Once a month psycho can be normal in measured doses; hourly psycho is a huge red flag.

[–]legitniga 26 points27 points  (5 children)

Very well put. They come to you and present you with everything you ever wanted. A beautiful, sexy girl who’s madly in love with you and treats you like her King. Feels too good to be true, because it is. By the time it all unravels you’re already hooked in and begging her to return to being the amazing girl you thought you had. Real life sirens.

[–]sd4c 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Real life sirens. Well-said.

I've also heard: "In real life, witches are often beautiful, instead of decrepit and covered with warts."

[–]saucierlol 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Mine was also filthy rich (i mean, her parents ofc) and showed me a future where I can start my dream business with her financial help only to shut that door on me just after I had finally started to believe it. A damn fool I am.

[–]KazarakOfKar 8 points9 points  (2 children)

You just gave me a flashback to college ; beginning of my Junior Year I met this older (35 year old) woman with Bi-Polar. She had a pretty damn good body; big fake tits, still tight in all the right places even after 2 kids (which her ex had sole custody of red flag #1) Sex was great and she was fucking loaded. Offered to buy me a BMW, send me to law school, basically I would have been set if I could deal with her crazy ass.

20 year old me had a deep sense of personal independence and pride back then, 32 year old me would have taken the offer to pay for law school and toughed it out until I was done.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

wtf I also met an older women in college who was broke, but pretended to be loaded and would take me to dinners and shit, I didn't fuck her because she was not so great looking and I enjoyed the dinners. 3 days later she started asking me to bone her without a condom and when I refused she mentioned calling the police on me for being manipulative. It was the first time I came across a nutcase lmao, went from meeting her everyday to no contact. she would complain that she had knew me for weeks not 3 days.

[–]blurtard 28 points29 points  (11 children)

I realized the other day that I had only ever been in relationships with girls with BPD. It’s no wonder I’m fucked up when it comes to girls. I’m seriously addicted to that crazy validation

[–]ch10011 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I married one and still find find the mania attractive. For why internet dude, why would you do that? this is where the rabbit hole goes real deep..... because it is what I have learnt love to be. Tempestuous, unrequited longing, the same fucked up 'love' I received from my cluster b mother. Thats right readers, like attracts like, we try and marry our 'mother' like Freud pointed out in his Oedipus theory.

A lot of therapy and re-education has been my way out of this trap, dealing with the trauma of my dysfunctional childhood, owning that shit and becoming more concious and present. Its not just them, it is a dance and it takes 2 to dance, and I had to accept my complicity in the dysfunction, my own co-dependant dysfunction to change, grow and move on.

If there is any interest i'll do a proper post on my recovery. I found this sub 2 years ago, when at my lowest ebb and i can sincerely say it saved my life and would like to give something back.

[–]RandyBumgardner85 10 points11 points  (0 children)

BPD's have an almost inhuman intuition that enables them to give you exactly what you want from a woman. They gain a sadistic satisfaction from pulling you in deep with the love bombing and then yanking the carpet from under you when you least expect it.

[–]Bpgiissues 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Have an upvote. I'm in a similar boat. I married it my mother modeled it my brother married it. Still sorting my crap out. Also figuring out how to break the cycle with my kids and my brothers kids. It's amazing how seeing the world through a cluster b lens changes your perspective on interactions entirely.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what do focus on during therapy, i might need it. I attract all types of crazy.

[–]acetylcysteine 11 points12 points  (2 children)

i know what you mean. i've dated many girls, and the normal ones can be oh so boring. doesn't help that i have a multitude of issues myself.

[–]saucierlol 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Crazy women are like crack, they'll fuck up your life but you still beg for more.

[–]long-lostfriend 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Dude, this used to be me. I was married to one for 13 years, and when I got separated, the first woman I fell for was just as fucking batshit. It's actually at that point when I stumbled across No More Mr. Nice Guy, and subsequently the Red Pill, and I made the changes in ME to break that self-destructive cycle.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I like being with a manic girl. It's never a dull moment, tons of fighting and make up sex; she lets me play in the garden all day with my tomatoes and marijuana and just beautiful rows of flowers - she pays all the bills - and yup, one minute I'm God, the next she hates me, (*&% her around a bit (in a good way) and all is good. I'm sitting on my ass all day piling up money (I never use to habitually smoke) gardening and fucking around on YouTube TV (Why aren't they ADVERTISING THAT MORE?) and it's all thanks to learning how to control the crazy.

CTC. Control the Crazy. Put the mania towards your impulses.

[–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What's YouTune TV? YouTube is already better than TV.

[–][deleted]  (13 children)

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    [–]legitniga 25 points26 points  (5 children)

    They want you to be a Chad but when you actually act Alpha with them they go into fits of uncontrollable anger and won’t accept it. Shit tests x1000000. An impossible paradox in human form.

    [–]saucierlol 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    Yes, unlike not crazy girls, they will actually challenge your alphaness at ALL TIMES. Not because they dont believe you are, but because they want to pussy whip you and step all over your male pride. With new-ish red pillers with BP conditioning or just normal dudes not really aware of the reality of things, it ends up in them destroying their ego, pride, heart, soul, whatever you name it. With real manly men, it ends up in rape, broken bones or unpremeditated (wo)manslaughter.

    [–]In33dmon3yz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Man i tried Everything but the usual tactics like ignoring her and doing something Else wouldnt even Work she would just double down and tell me that i was acting like a Bitch hahaha Fun Times man.

    [–]Writs_For_Your_Tits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My God, I can go back through the message history, and every message. Literally every interaction, shes pinging a test, throwing shit out there just to see how I'll handle it.

    [–]BornShook 8 points9 points  (4 children)

    Yeah, I have ADHD (Diagnosed and medicated). Definitly not something you have to worry about in women or anyone in general. I know a lot of people with ADHD... Theyre all disorganised to some extent, and a little odd, but I dont know any of them to be backstabbers.

    [–]chesterburger 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Same here. She was WAY out of my league, very smart, somewhat successful, athletic and fit, outgoing, up for anything, she was the perfect girl when she was having a good week. But my god, the bad days and weeks, the depressive side of manic-depressive, it was a nightmare. She was a completely different person and often literally couldn’t even recall things she did and said when on the “other side”. Eventually I had to get out. I was too focused on her beauty and the good days.

    [–]Writs_For_Your_Tits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    It truly is two different people. It's like they dump you out of a hot tub into a bath of ice.

    [–]SLTechnitian 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Props to you for getting out of it. I spent a year with a bipolar/ptsd girl who torn me down to a quivering skin tube. If I didn't find TRP and read The Rational Male, I might not have escaped.

    [–]JameisBong 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    could we do a whole thread about BPD? I'm just relieved I'm not the only one who is going through this shit.Glad i found TRP, working on a go plan to exit this dumpster fire of a marriage.

    [–]legitniga 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I’d start a thread if I had the energy right now. I’ve spent a lot of time post-breakup giving out advice and support to other guys who went through the same thing, some of whom don’t even realize what’s happened to them. It makes me feel like all of my suffering might’ve been worth something.

    It’s draining to talk about and reflect back on sometimes tho, I’ll probably make a thread eventually, but not today. For now I’d check out the subreddit BPDLovedOnes. Some really get support and guidance on there.

    [–]In33dmon3yz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Preach Brother was just about 11 months for me but that Bitch did me good. We are separated for 5 months now and emotionally i am still in the gutter where she Left me and kicked me when i was down. Yesterday she tried to call Thank Good i was strong enough to Ignore. I am on my Way up i guess. Kind of still Not ready to be with Other girls tho .

    [–]Endorsed Contributorthelandofdreams 131 points132 points  (5 children)

    Can confirm.

    The thing about crazy women is that they are easy to fall in love with. They are exciting, thrilling, emotional, hot and cold, brilliant, often artistic, deep, poetic creatures.

    Which is why they will absolutely RUIN YOUR LIFE.

    Take it from an older guy, if you absolutely must be in a long term relationship, a boring, stable woman is going to be your best bet. I know, it sucks, but trust me.

    That brilliant, fucks like an animal artist with daddy issues?

    Marry her, and one day you will wake up with all your shit gone, a false rape charge, or your left nut cut off.

    And that is if you are lucky...

    [–]drty_pr 45 points46 points  (2 children)

    My wife is boring, responsible, smart and down to earth. The sex isn't what I'd like it to be, but at least she is pleasant to be around, not stressing me out and is an amazing mother. When I see what other dudes put up with, I'd take what I have any day of the week.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorthelandofdreams 43 points44 points  (0 children)

    “A goodlookin horse is like a goodlookin woman, he said. They're always more trouble than what they're worth. What a man needs is just one that will get the job done.”

    ― Cormac McCarthy, All the Pretty Horses

    [–]chesterburger 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Same here. She absolutely refuses to drink, smoke or anything like that and sometimes gives me a hard time about that too, but I’ll take it. My mother was an alcoholic so I’d rather get some shit for drinking myself than have to try and stop her.

    [–]KazarakOfKar 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    The thing about crazy women is that they are easy to fall in love with. They are exciting, thrilling, emotional, hot and cold, brilliant, often artistic, deep, poetic creatures.

    You just described my ex Ashley to a T.

    Wasn't worth it in the end but it did teach me a lot about life.

    [–]keep_improving 50 points51 points  (4 children)

    Being with a BPD girl brought me to the redpill so I am grateful on one hand. On the other hand she anchored some weird emotional states in me that'll take quite some time to dissolve completely.

    OP is right. Don't date/marry/fuck a crazy person. Unless you are a sociopath or narcissist yourself, it will SEVERELY damage you. The damage can be undone, yes, but some stuff you'll probably never forget.

    If you spot a crazy, do a 180 and run!

    [–]z3brask1n 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    What kind of damage do you mean? I’ve been with a bipolar girl for a year now, and yes it’s been difficult and frustrating but I’m not broken. The sex and her model status still do it for me. I’m curious what you mean specifically so I can look for it and not be blindsided.

    [–]keep_improving 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    BPD is the common abbreviation for borderline personality disorder. Bipolar is normally abbreviated as BP.

    It becomes even more confusing as BPDs are often misdiagnosed as BP.

    To your case: yes, BP is tough and sucks as well, both for the person who is ill as well as for the partner but it doesn't even come close to what a BPD can do with regards to damage.

    Things to look for: the main difference is that a BPD can switch moods within seconds. From very positive to hell on Earth and back. A bipolar normally has prolonged mood episodes. Look for those changes. If she often changes her mood very fast and you have the feeling as if you are literally walking on eggshells so that you don't trigger her off, then that's a good sign that she has BPD and not (or not only) bipolar.

    If you wanna look at examples look into the BPDLovedones sub. (see in my profile, quickest way to go there, as I post there regularly)

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 108 points109 points  (5 children)

    I fucked up at 24, got a bipolar bitch pregnant, and stupidly married her. 8 years of fucking hell ensued. Irrational fights, using sex as a weapon and tool of manipulation, violence on her part. Everything was my fault, I was cheating, wasting money, being abusive, lying, and horrible to live with... according to her. She was all that shit and more.

    That cunt fucked up my life until I was 46. Try starting to put away for your future and get ahead in your late 40s after being held to less than $1000 a month because the rest it's going to a worthless crazy cunt.

    Off you see the crazy, go full beta and beg for sex until she shows disgust towards you, then cut all contact, dropping her like a boss will only make her crazier and she'll destroy your life.

    [–]legitniga 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    Sounds like a borderline personality disorder mis-diagnosis, very common amongst unfamiliar therapists. Those aren’t bipolar traits.

    [–]Five_Decades 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Off you see the crazy, go full beta and beg for sex until she shows disgust towards you, then cut all contact

    I've heard some people who have had stalkers deal with their stalkers by intentionally developing horrible hygiene. This tends to turn many obsessives off. Was this also one of your tactics? Or were you just showing a lot of neediness and desperation for sex and approval?

    [–]StraightWhiteMaleLOL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Sounds like me but with a more dragged out time frame and a marriage.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Jesus Christ if this happened to me I'd be on a plane before divorce was finalized regardless of my hypothethical children being 5 or 25

    [–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (2 children)

    I'm guilty of this. I was "trying" to help her come out of her depression. Now i realized that I was just trying to act superior to her. I was insecure. Most of guys who date with crazies have kind of similar issues. We get attracted to crazies bcoz we want be their saviors.

    If you are dating with someone with mental health issues then you probably have some of those issues too.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Wanting to be a savior is one among many ways a human can try to feel useful, the equation to "act superior to her" is groundless.

    It would be like saying the countless who strive to climb to the role of "guide" or leader to (as they imagine it) "serve communities" do it to "feel superior" (which you'd never say).

    It's a way to have a purpose; one of the worst, because as IllimitableMen put it, females are masochistic and they will

    1) not let you make any problems they may have easier 2) hate you for trying to part them away from their problems

    3) Thankfulness is not an human sentiment in any case, and gratitude is a burden — so you can get only problems out that. The "acting superior" has nothing to do with it (usually).

    [–]KazarakOfKar 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Dated a girl with BiPolar off and on for almost 2 years and it was a roller coaster. First of all I have to admit the sex was the best I have ever had in my life, she had no limits and wanted as much as I could give, as rough as I could give, whenever I wanted it...while she was Manic. It took four months before she hit her first depressive episode and took a break, returning to her ex boyfriend who was the embodiment of some beta cuck.

    After the month long depression was over she wanted that good dick again and we yo-yo'd like that. A year in something else manifested; she would get wildly irrational, mean, bitchy just an all around shit person to be around. She disappeared for 2 months, to this day no one knows where she was.

    I kept fucking her after that, the final straw was another 1 month long disappearing act. After that I broke all contact, great freaky sex or not it wasn't worth the energy.

    YES the sex can be amazing, mind blowing, but at the end of the day unless it's a one and done and you exit clean you will regret it. These chicks end up taking way more energy that even the best nut in the world is worth.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 71 points72 points  (38 children)

    There's a thousand different red flags and tells, but you can't truly pull your head out of the fog until you do this...

    1. Sort out your own mental health issues. If you are well off or have resources available to you, see a well reviewed and credentialed psychiatrist and be honest as hell.
    2. Once you are certain that you do not have any mental health issues, make sure you are not described in NMMNG. You needn't be codependent to be in trouble.
    3. Have outcome independence and have had enough women in your life to understand them, both how they work and their phases and techniques.

    With these three things you're basically poison for a woman with issues. You're not codependent so she can't use you for her desire to fix you up (and leave you when she finds a new project). In the same stroke, you're not desperate for female companionship and willing to let the trojan horse into your life.

    Women with HBP, NPD, BPD etc (cluster-b) are looking for various forms of supply. Attention, adoration and abandonment respectively. They get these supplies by finding men who will worship them and be their puppets. They look for men who provide a high return.

    Let's be real, these women still want to or need to have sex with their "victims." But what makes it ultimately work for them, on top of the SMV features, is that they can manipulate the men involved to get their supply.

    Once their supply dies, the relationship dies.

    So your actual protection against these women is to as Shari Schreiber says is to grow real "true self worth." Once you do this, you will repel these women because their gambit is based on said man's willingness or ability to leave. Not only that, you may out her leaving her without her supply. How would the HBD get the adoration of her orbiters if someone with a pair of balls and the ability to leave posted a video of her crying for almost no reason at all and screaming at your neighbors? She already knows that routine doesn't work on guys with their act together.

    At that point, red flags become a sort of moot point since you're already up to your eyeballs in suitors and those red flags will work as quick filters.

    And since you're a veteran here you won't be deciding you've "vetted her" and that she's the one now will you?

    There are a number of guys in the BPD crew here that can help you, but if you don't have kids, the answer is to leave.

    FYI I consider "gettinbetter" by Sheri Schreiber mandatory reading for guys here. This forum is a NPD hot bed of men dating BPD women.

    It is my pet theory this is an in group forum for sociopaths systemizing interactions primarily disordered women, who are women who are the most receptive to being "plates." Given fearful-avoidant attachment mechanisms.

    For any purple or blue pill readers, I was able to exclude this as a total explanation for the existence of the TRP model, but it is a sort of bias that explains the hyperbole though.

    Either way, read up on this stuff. The chance you will be involved with a woman in the cluster-b if you're on this forum is very high. And these women do tremendous damage.

    The previous hypothesis of why you should read up is below. I have more to add, but it's not really relevant and no time. All the good stuff is here.

    Hypothosis

    TRP is a forum with a significant number of NPD males, discussing female traits, using cluster-b hyperbole missing the larger debate, which is that relationships end when finite releases of serotonin by the female, in the male's company ends. This system, then recognizes the drivers of these chemicals, but fails to understand the significance of the end of these releases. And the purpose is to understand women (overtly, and self aware), but also to shield from narcissistic injury (covertly, without self awareness).

    Neuro-normal men then fall victim to a separate delusion, one that NPD males call "female primary" narratives in terms of their behavior and the reason why their relationships ended.

    Systemically, high level planning recognizes these things, and the system reinforces these roles institutionally. Socially, these roles are also subconsciously reinforced. Which is the explanation of why all relationships, at the end, become controlling. Because a woman at that point is out of control and the other men are waiting for their turn. By "controlling her" you are not accepting the rules of the game.

    The power hierarchy (male disposability) is then

    1) Institutions

    2) Unconscious, covert, social influence (from subconscious level attractions and institutional role advertisements)

    3) Social convention & social role models

    4) Females

    5) Males

    Observations

    Women who display strong red pill traits, are cluster B women. Women who show a tendency for these traits, are neuro healthy women. The description "of women" is inherently, I think hyperbolic, and use cluster-b types as their descriptors.

    This forum then, would be a collection of a significant number of NPD males, organizing a system to avoid narcissistic injury.

    The outward manifestations of this

    • Focus on personal beauty (lift)
    • Lack, or low empathy in discussions
    • Personal achievement focus
    • High involvement with disordered women (HCI's in divorce situations are disproportionate in this community)
    • Descriptions of women are highly attuned to BPD, HPD types.
    • PUA roots are highly geared towards LSE women.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 7 points8 points  (7 children)

    organizing a system to avoid narcissistic injury.

    Glad you see it too. While I don't badmouth narcissism (saw what you want, having some of it helps) you've got to be able to compartmentalize it, especially when you start adding narcissistic injuries.

    Even the anger phase is a narcissistic injury.

    High involvement with disordered women

    The thing I will say is this. There are adjusted men who are finding there is just too many of these types of women. When I think back to all the girls I've ever been with, maybe 10% of them would have been considered normal, functioning women. Didn't matter if some were bar girls, outdoorsy ones, church, work, military.

    It's like the pareto principle for fuck sakes.

    PUA roots are highly geared towards LSE women.

    They are geared towards women. almost all young women have low self esteem, and most grow out of it (some even deserve the esteem!) so the idea of there being some unicorns that are just not where we find women is disingenuous. We can easily admit to a giant NPD among males, you can't then suggest that BPD women are any less prevalent.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 11 points12 points  (3 children)

    We can easily admit to a giant NPD among males, you can't then suggest that BPD women are any less prevalent.

    I am in the camp and have personal experience to back that up that BPD is a "woman turned to 11." I think BPD women will let you see the programming in a way most women won't. Hense me and Rollo being theory snobs. Both being red pilled from BPD women. I also agree with the hypothesis that has some evidence in studies that society in general has become narcissistic. So these two factors provide a degree of truth to your gut read, which is "man it seems like there's a lot of borderline women."

    The blue pill response to this then is "you are just damaged men with damaged women, haha!"

    Yet we can observe neurotypical women and men going through the same motions. Just at a lower volume and with less intensity with less self awareness.

    This is why I actually do think PPD serves a useful function in analysis. I think in general unless I can see the flaw or bias, there's usually a nugget of truth in a prevailing thought within the female user base.

    And so I think it's true that TRP and PUA attracts these women, because they're looking for men to exploit, and a huge ego is a man who isn't paying attention with a high return for BPD women (excitement, high value, exploitable, provides an identity, has a complimentary attachment mechanism).

    Lots of the features of BPD are core TRP tenants. "Hamstering" is known as dissociation for borderline women but in neurotypical we call it self rationalization. The "lightswitch effect" is known as being split black. A lot of what frame in PUA is, actually is tailored to fearful-avoidant women, primarily because it's practiced on women with HPD w/ LSE, who are the literal attention whores. I believe Mark Manson has it right in terms of pickup. Which is basically the TRP self growth program plus outcome independence without the attachment game that attracts the headcases.

    Where PPD gets it wrong is to try and exclude the whole group. They think they're above and beyond these groups.

    So they cast out the "nice guy incels" and the "twerps" and believe the men left are "normal." When grilled what you'll get is a description of essentially high beta men with high levels of physical dimorphism who are acting as useful idiots.

    The thing is, these women actually believe they'll never lose attraction. That's my Schrödinger's nAWALT. They actually believe their programming is different and that fundamentally they can negotiate attraction. The men they're with believe the same. Both of them are naive.

    TRP can be understood as overtly exploitative. Conventional dating can be understood as covertly (or even unintentionally) exploitative.

    I don't believe most women are interested in exploiting the men they're with, it just turns out they have no idea how they actually work and the systems to handle this institutionally are very brutal.

    The hyper minority of women who exploit, hurt, assault, murder or divorce rape men maliciously are paired with NPD males or codependent males. Of which many land here. A significant minority. Both PPD and TRP seek to create binary answers which is the fundamental error of both camps.

    TRP is informed in its system, but pessimistic in its portrayal of women. PPD is naive in its system, but optimistic in its portrayal of women. Both systems assume a binary position that they are right, the other is wrong.

    The truth is, there is a significant portion of bad actors of both men and women. But I believe the ultimate failure point of relationships is a woman's attraction, and the actual mechanism of that failure point is that she can only see the top 20%. Furthermore, the dopamineserotonin and oxytocin systems are designed to facilitate conception and a birth with little else. Women are designed to find the highest quality mate, and then diversify, by design.

    The choice men have to make is whether they want to adopt values that exploit female nature (ultimately for her benefit, per the Female Happiness Paradox) or be a useful idiot for a woman for her to achieve her end. Which is a diverse family, supported by the group and society at large (as is evident in Denmark).

    Ultimately I find TRP to be morally neutral if not morally positive.

    Exploitative is in terms of societal value systems. Society demands men accept male disposability with a smile on their face.

    Which would be fine if the female happiness paradox didn't exist and men weren't fundamentally motivated by ownership of women and thus sublimated paternity. Yet since this is true, such a thing is in neither the benefit of men or women, and it ultimately hurts the children who need family systems to be functional members of society. And without patriarchal value systems, men won't compete at scale (I have to research Denmark more in this regard, but I'm not sure it would scale in America).

    So this is why I do this level of analysis. Without going this deep you're basically constrained to "women are wonderful, just some are terrible, be yourself" or "women are shit, none of them are good, form yourself into a perfect human being and that still won't be enough."

    [–]Morphs_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I applaud your well-elaborated stance in this reddit. You take away the typical swearing about women and replace it with one of the best inventions of man: logic.

    Your view about a disproportionate share of the men here likely having NPD to at least some degree, may explain why I resonate with the general concepts presented here, but at the same time have trouble with the atmosphere those concepts are presented in. Thanks for providing a birds eye view on this reddit.

    Last year I had a gf who had a whole list of PDs, including strong traits of BPD. I happened to stumble upon TRP at that time. While being a huge mindfuck mostly, it did help me understand a lot of what was going on. Had some of the best sex ever. And being with a BPD on 11 is one of the most stressful positions a guy can be in.

    It's good that I experienced it, the thrill of the ride is amazing at times. And the stressful times thought me stuff I would never learn elsewise.

    Female Happiness Paradox Can you explain this one? Does it mean that a woman wants A because she thinks it makes her happy, but she actually needs B to be more happy overall?

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Side note, I have also seen BPD on 11. I've had my faire share, and through sheer luck and lack of RP awareness, avoided long term concequences from my time.

    I've considered this a blessing. Never had the pedistal, just never had an instruction manual

    [–]darla10 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    They’re both narcissistic supply dependent/narcissistic injury prone, NPD+BPD.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Oh, I agree. two narcissists and two dependants cannot co exist. One needs the other.

    The more of one quality you have, the more you encourage/attract the latter. Why do you think I suggest compartmentalizing Narcissism?

    Just enough to get things done, not so much that you attract BPD to you, or that you're prone to narcissistic injury

    [–]DaftMD 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Not to mention, most TRP posters seemingly are seeking some kind of "did I do good, dad?"-type of validation. Do you have some recommended reading material regarding your hypothesis? Interesting stuff.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    This is actually part of it. NPD is theorized to be a response to a lack of parental affection, to which the child responds to by trying to be perfect. This is the source of the inflated ego to which they strive to be in which to metaphorically win the love they were not supplied.

    The gettinbetter material I mentioned is great stuff. Start there.

    [–]secureded 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Did i read your post wrong or do you suggest that the majority here are NPD males?

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I have edited it to soften it. I think "majority" is probably hyperbole even on my part. But I'd say they're a significant minority if I had to wager. Maybe 30% of the user base, and a larger part of the more active users.

    That being said there is a prevailing theory that narcissism in general has become somewhat systemic in the population.

    So it'd be hard to separate out "people who are narcissistic because they were raised in a narcissistic value system" and the people who are biologically predisposed to be NPD males.

    Either way, I think the system most accurately reflects a way for NPD males to achieve narcissistic supply. That doesn't make it wrong for neurotypical males.

    The system has still been formulated as a peak male strategy and women do hold the power.

    I think it's just taken NPDASPD men to outline it, because other men are not strong or disordered enough to get to the bitter end and formulate a response.

    Again, make sure you understand these replies are descriptive not pejorative.

    [–]presto_manifesto 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I have edited it to soften it. I think "majority" is probably hyperbole even on my part. But I'd say they're a significant minority if I had to wager. Maybe 30% of the user base,

    You actually just have no idea whatsoever though, do you.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    TRP is praxeology, not a funded science. Are you in the right sub or are you "purple pill?" I straight up said it's an estimate, what is your actual objection?

    [–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    TLDR: Don’t stick your dick in crazy

    [–]vitamann 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    I have a weird magnet for these type of women.

    I've been accused of stuff I never did and would never do. I've woken up to shit being thrown all over the apartment; ON A ONE NIGHT STAND. I've been threatened with knifes, shoes and even at gun point. I had a dog stolen and my clothes cut into squares.

    Any girl could be fully sane and cute one day, the next she is trying to burn your smartphone.

    Heed the advice, run upon craziness, SHE WON'T BE OK EVER. Just go to the next.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    damn i attract these types too.

    One day i was walking past a bus at a bus spot, and a random female head does a fast 180 degree turn to stare at me. they sniff you out like sharks to blood. I knew she was crazy, didn't want to look in her eye and give her ideas, kept walking lmao.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Clothes cut into squares.... my ex did that! Left them all cut up in a pile in front of my mom's house.

    [–]mushroom_overlord 21 points22 points  (0 children)

    You cannot save them. You cannot tame them. They will burn you, its just a question of how badly. If you suspect something, get out before its too late (you will rarely get out without some blowback but it is far better than if you wait for it to fester).

    -Advice from a person who has seen the effect of women with mental illnesses on his friends. Was thinking of writing a post like this but it may be a field report of my outside observations on these relationships somewhere down the line.

    [–]bookertwashingmachin 15 points16 points  (3 children)

    I'd say keep an eye out for medication they're on. If you see Xanax or Valium or really anything in the same family she's not worth the effort. If after a dozen years of marriage she needs help then be there for her but never knowingly walk into this buzz saw. I've seen some garbage advice in here recently but this is dead on.

    [–]HerefortheTuna 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Yup my ex had “depression and anxiety” took pills instead of therapy because she was too busy. Ironically this girl would spend an hour everyday doing makeup.

    She also told me she used to be anorexic...ironically her younger sister is a power lifter (and tbh obese). I only started dating her because she came into her store and her mom was hot....

    [–]LavaPipe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I wish I had known this years ago. I dated a girl who I later found out was being diagnosed with BPD. I saw her take meds almost every time I was over at her house late but was too much of a clueless kid to even question what she was taking

    [–]2Dmva100 25 points26 points  (2 children)

    Another important point to consider:

    A woman with documented mental illness will be even further absolved of any responsibility for her actions and be coddled to the highest degree. This includes the police, courts, friends and family, and pretty much anyone when it comes to believing her fake rape stories, troubles making payments, getting a leg-up with jobs, etc etc.

    If you still want the pussy:

    Never tell her your real name or where you work.

    Use snapchat only.

    Only ever go to her place and never meet her friends.

    You won't need an exit strategy with these safeguards. Any accusations or B.S. will go nowhere since she doesn't know any identifiable information about you.

    [–]ATPsynthase12 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    Or don’t put your dick in crazy. That’s A LOT of work just to get laid when there are thousands of normal women out there.

    [–]NapalmSunshine 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Turn off your location services on your phone, snap chat, Facebook, even tinder, or none of the above mentioned will matter. She’ll find your ass.

    And don’t make your Snapchat name the same as any other screen name you’ve ever gone by on the internet. Or your name 🤦‍♀️

    [–]BlackFire68 23 points24 points  (1 child)

    So... don't date or marry women

    [–]LaconicyetMercurial 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    What I see it boiling down to... lol. Easy to avoid extreme cases, however, even the 'normal' ones have issues imo.

    [–]sd4c 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    "In what ways do you think you need to grow, or change, as a person?"

    Ask that, ASAP, to anyone you're considering hooking up with. If they appear bewildered, can't answer, or worse- get angry- you're talking to a poisonous bitch and should get out of there immediately.

    (This is a narcissist test from YouTube that rings true to me)

    (Another is, one time when you're ready, tell them "no" and "I'd really prefer not to" to some mundane request, like would you pick up some milk on the way over, or let's watch that movie tonight, can I borrow your car, or will you drive me to work tomorrow. If they flip out, instead of normal reaction of disappointment and confusion- get out immediately.)

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Men, that question will confound the heck out of any normie in this world (and females are all normies!).

    As Jung wrote, everyone will go to every length to never meet their true selves — let alone want to grow and change seriously (which requires aforesaid meet-up with one's self).

    Yes, I ask that kind of questions a lot whenevr I try to be serious with someone, but a female won't be able to give any meaningful reply (and she'll dumbfounded by the question itself).

    [–]rebelde_sin_causa 26 points27 points  (17 children)

    and if she has or ever has had an eating disorder, run, don't walk, run in the opposite direction

    [–]1anonaccount123 14 points15 points  (13 children)

    Why do you say this?

    Just went on a date with this girl yesterday who said her mom (who she doesn’t talk to anymore) was anorexic but claims that she’s not. She later said that she really only eats dinner and just isn’t hungry most of the day. She’s super fit so I doubt she has an eating disorder (?). She does seem to have some BPD traits though.

    edit: why the fuck am I being down voted? I asked a question.

    [–]rebelde_sin_causa 14 points15 points  (6 children)

    experience

    it's a symptom of deeper problems which you can't do anything to address

    [–]ATPsynthase12 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Because eating disorders if untreated with therapy (most aren’t treated due to the stigma) are linked to or cause other disorders and all kinds of hormonal issues.

    Girl has Anorexia so she will go in cycles of binge eating followed by excessive exercise and starving herself. This leads to depression, hormonal imbalances, social issues (will impulsively eat an entire pizza then become depressed and guilty and not eat again for days) , and nutritional deficiencies.

    Plus imagine how draining it is on the SO to be with someone who will binge eat a large pizza and an entire tub of ice cream by herself then proceed to not eat again until she ends up in the hospital out of depression and guilt.

    [–]LavaPipe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    He probably says this because body image issues are a symptom of almost every personality disorder. I’d say he’s exaggerating a bit because eating disorders can exist alone but they definitely are a red flag

    [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    why the fuck am I being down voted? I asked a question.

    Just remember there are hundreds of clicking cunts on here, as well as reasonable gentlemen. I've had the same thing happen. Stings but keep in mind you're on the net.

    [–]Mokujinn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    100% listen to this guy. Those chicks are certified crazy.

    [–]goatwithbeergoggles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    What about those who have self-harmed (cutting)? It is that more or less serious than an eating disorder?

    [–]LeoV26 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    Just got out of a 6 year relationship with a girl with bdp.

    We had a semi open relationship and regularly had threesomes with other girls, so the sex life was great. But honestly looking at it now from a distance everything else in the relationship sucked. Recently ended due to her going off her meds and going batshit crazy "leaving me" this happened once before years ago. Told her if it happened again it'd be the last time.

    This time I followed though. Within 3 days I was gone. Days later sure enough she wants to apologize.

    Took a lot to kind of start my life over, but gotta say I should have done it sooner.

    Thing is you get comfortable with stuff and the routine.

    Honesty the biggest thing this has had me realize is how I've allowed myself to become.. Idk while not beta, for sure not alpha. I've let my fitness levels drop in the years, been far less in control of things I normally would have been.

    I've never truly been a follower of the red pill, not a denier mind you. But never took some of the more key talking points to heart.

    This sort of thing has me more focused on bettering myself. Hence this being my first ever post in this reddit despite browsing for years.

    [–]1029341238 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Congrats on getting out. No contact?

    [–]Throwtheknightaway 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    The men that women like these are most dangerous to are Blue-Pillers wholly ignorant of the Red Pill. These guys will be your genuine nice guy, and constantly try to make a toxic relationship work thinking that it is the right thing to do. But when their actions are consistently countered with the actions of mentally ill women, they will start to question what is wrong with themselves instead of seeing the mentally ill women for what they are. If they had known the Redpill, they would have had the self-validation to move on from these girls and know that they themselves are perfectly fine.

    [–]muffinpoots 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    My girlfriend is Bi-Polar. She takes medication and goes to therapy. She is about to graduate medical school and enter residency for internal medicine. She is the most kind, warm, and trustworthy person I have ever met.

    I think this post mistakes "mental health issues" with "untreated, un-diagnosed, and unsupported mental health issues" as well as it mistakes "guys" with "entitled, idealizing, unrealistic, non-empathetic cowards."

    People have issues. So do you. Your shit stinks. Get over yourself.

    Written by a guy with his own issues that allows other to have theirs.

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    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    :))

    Welcome your own awakening, dude.

    [–]CptFizz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I have the feeling that pretty much any woman born after 85 has some kind of mental issue. Anxiety, depression, eating disorder, bipolar etc. - and it comes to no surprise. Forcing women into roles that are against their nature can only lead to mental illness.

    [–]drleeisinsurgery 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    As a physician, I can tell you that the heritability of mental illness is extremely high, probably 50 percent. You can divorce your wife, but your kids will always be yours.

    Looking at it from another angle, while dating, see if they have any crazy uncles or a bipolar dad that left the family. Also see if they are on antidepressants or more powerful psychiatric drugs.

    [–]LanBearPig 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    1. Crazy hot manic sex? Check.
    2. Chance of dying? Check.

    What's not to like? How do I screen out the normal girls and only get the crazy ones? Asking for a friend.

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    In my experience, ALL chicks are crazy except those that are horribly boring. The trick is finding a chicks whose craziness is compatible with yours!

    [–]sse23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is the truth right here.

    [–]mghibli 13 points14 points  (7 children)

    Any brother who’s dealing with a BPD witch can PM me. Guys listen to the advice, don’t even talk to these creatures. They are fucking evil.

    [–]ATPsynthase12 5 points6 points  (6 children)

    My best friend married a girl with Anxiety disorder, depression, and BPD. Since she moved in with him 2 years ago she has gotten fired from 3 jobs, gotten on SSRIs ,will go days without leaving the house, got super fucking needy (wanted to hang out with him 24/7) ,and started drinking in the daytime.

    I can see the allure because she is very attractive and the typical “sexy nerdy girl who likes video games, sports, and beer” but I’m not sure if I agree with his decision. He’s the type who won’t deal with female bullshit so either he will keep her in line or leave her of the psychosis emerges.

    [–]mghibli 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    Another red flag is the bitch being super cool with everything about you. She mirrors you so that you get super comfortable but you see that she is not a person, she is a programmed robot after a while. And the downside is she will copy the next person just like that when she cannot suck your life energy anymore.

    Mine used to dress shitty and listen to Amy Winehouse when I first met her. Then she got classy with heels and all after me. Last time I saw her, she was wearing baggy jeans with a baseball cap.

    What the actual fuck, just talking about her irritates me. Fucking whore.

    Just be there when your friend needs you, I’m sure that relationship is doomed.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Another red flag is the bitch being super cool with everything about you. She mirrors you so that you get super comfortable but you see that she is not a person, she is a programmed robot after a while. And the downside is she will copy the next person just like that when she cannot suck your life energy anymore.

    I don't want to sow contention and argue with everybody, but what you describe in the quoted part at least is a universal female strategy in the "war of the sexes".

    These programmed robots are the most praised by society and mainstream culture (which includes psychiatry), and the least likely to be seen as "crazy". They have a mask for every use, a nano-ego, and no connection with the soul. But then again, they're brought up as paragons of balance, niceness, and healthiness.

    [–]mghibli 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I’m not into arguing with strangers on reddit either.

    If you can become dominant enough for Any chick, she will do as I’ve mentioned before, I agree. What these whores do is become submissive voluntarily, fuck that is a light word, purposely so that you feel like a king. They are women on steroids and there is a huge difference.

    [–]KazarakOfKar 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    started drinking in the daytime.

    That should be another huge red flag; as much as mental illness. If she is drunk before you get home from work and its not some huge celebration day fucking run.

    [–]dotwav2mpfree 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Can confirm, last gf was a closet drinker and it finally ended with her getting arrested and my NARROWLY escaping involvement.

    [–]JJ3314 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yeah the problem is that, taking everything into consideration—mood disorders, personality disorders, psychosis, rates of mental illness amongst young women are hovering around 25% of the population if I recall.

    While “don’t stick your dick in crazy” has a catchy ring to it, the women who are literally hallucinating and talking to themselves are not your problem. They can barely function, and your average guy is not going to LTR them.

    The real problem are the ones with depression/anxiety, or personality disorders. They are not actually psychotic, and seem to be functioning normally. They can reel you in, and the extent of the problem wont become apparent until you are several months into a relationship. God forbid you get one of them pregnant—men, the need to take charge of reproductive risk, and not trust your plate/GF whatever probably ranks higher than “lift” or “game” WRT to women in general, but particularly applies to these broads.

    The most vulnerable are young men who are sick of getting shit on by marginally attractive, yet entitled females in the current SMP, and then suddenly a hot girl with a hidden personality disorder makes them feel special. They get roped into a relationship, and then misery ensues. It’d be funny if it wasn’t bullshit.

    BTW don’t even get me talking about the special category of disorders known as “somatoform disorders” such as conversion disorder. Overwhelmingly female. I work in medicine and periodically see women coming into the hospital with events that look like strokes or seizures, and then after roping family members, boyfriends, husbands, the medical system, into the drama, and getting tested up the wazoo you end up with nothing. Half the time the boyfriends and husbands white knight for the chick when the “arrogant” doctor breaks the news to her and the family that she likely has a psychiatric problem. Don’t be that guy.

    [–]zeuD13 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Can confirm just came from a 4 year relationship with a bipolar girl. Even though she had huge circles - meaning she was depressed when we met and became manic after almost four years - it still managed to bring my whole life down. Even though you think you may fix her, sometimes they don't even want to be fixed. I literally got told that she enjoys her mood swings, it's fucking weird and especially for rational people who date those girls it will text your insanity. At the brink of depression I found out the Red Pill and now I'm trying to educate myself as much as possible. For your own safety keep them at distance or in the worst case scenario keep them as plates , cause the sex is glorious. Be aware.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    sometimes they don't even want to be fixed.

    "Sometimes"? Lol.

    Nobody wants to be fixed, all the times. Certainly no female.

    [–]Yellowfangs 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    My mother has BPD and she's driven my Dad and I toward suicide for the past 20 years ceaselessly.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    why not bring yourselves out of her destructive reach, then?

    [–]presto_manifesto 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I've been in no less than two relationships with women who had nigh-extreme cases of NPD and bipolar, respectively. It's funny because after a while they both ended ending up landing "longer than usual term" relationships with dudes, who for lack of any better descriptors were these very naive, open-mouthed idiot types, where you could tell they were both thinking "how did I get so lucky landing such a HAWT SEXY DAME!!" Guys that the women could easily pull the runaround on for a long long time without the guy suspecting anything. Guys that will be utterly destroyed at best/turn raging psychotic at worst when they finally figure out how utterly played they've been. They're the dumbasses out there buying houses and cars for these women, as we speak.

    It's always interesting to me how a huge percentage of NPD/BPD/bipolar chicks - even super hot ones - go this route in and around the time they turn 30 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    [–]WhereRtheAnswersSway 14 points15 points  (2 children)

    In all honesty, everyone can be described as having mental illnesses. You gotta realize it’s a spectrum. There’s no such thing as a unicorn. You just gotta go for chicks you can relatively trust not to stab you in the eyeball if you piss them off. You can find something wrong with anything bro. Be more positive. It’ll change your life.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yeah. But throwing diagnoses at people's faces makes a lot of people, high and low in the social hierarchy feel good.

    Like the Psychiatric Associations, with their 250+ diagnosed conditions in their DSMIV or V. They have a reason to make all people gullible enough take medication.

    Also, groups and packs have always used the "this is sick/insane" rationale to silence/censor/banish whatever voice awakens subconscious feelings of guilt they don't want to consciously feel.

    Foucault wrote an History of Madness, and said it right. It's a social weapon of ostracism, and a way humans (and groups of humans) use to cushion their egos against any truth hurting them a bit too much.

    Then there is a 10-15% of cases in which you really have a mental illness, and the descriptions are truthful. But these are the most likely to be crypto-psychos, keep up a socially successful mask/front, and never be called crazy by anyone. You'll see who they are only by analyzing their stare, and inconsistencies in their behaviour (nothing ordinary people, or crowds, have a chance of doing).

    [–]GuyFromDaStore 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Crazies are good in the sack though, but my past experiences with them have been mercifully short in terms of relationships. 3 months maximum before they freak out and break up with me.

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    [–]Heyokalol 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    I've been in a relationship with this girl for two years and still going strong to this day.

    She's submissive, loving, cooks every night, does the house chores without me asking her to, no fight to this day, crazy sex any time I want, in fact, I may be the one who struggles to keep up with her. She never goes out with friends and stuff like that, she prefers to work on her digital painting and she's really gifted at it. She has the lowest N count I've ever encountered (2, including me).

    She also has a slight BPD that flares up at times, which makes her depressed and fatigued. According to this post, I should then break up with her.

    This is why I think posts like this one are utter bullshit. They're the counterpart to the feminist man-hating rhetoric and feel like they've been written by nineteen year olds going through their first break-up.

    [–]roadrizzle8 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    She doesnt have BPD.

    I know BPD.. that is not it.

    [–]Buchloe 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Somehow I've ended up with these ptsd girls who flip the fuck out and lock up and scream and rock back and forth like the world is ending for hours on end over the stupidest of nothings. Might be legit, might not, but either way the outcome is indestinguishable from extreeeemely juvenile manipulation.

    I love so much that we have the full beta card. It's kind of an ego blow to be seen as a little clingy bitch, but at least it gets you out of situations you really don't want to be in.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    what are PTSD girls like?

    I have PTSD and visiting a PTSD group with boys and girls.

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    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    As far as I know they all still have at-fault as an option as well.

    [–]25russianbear25 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    isnt this common sense? is there a one guy who hasnt heard "dont stick your dick in crazy" ?

    this has to do more with have self control and dont be desperate

    [–]BobbySean 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I was as well as a lot of people on this sub are desperate. My understanding is this is a place to help our fellow man and in that spirit these things need to not only be said, but belted from the rooftops. They need to be drilled into every man.

    I lived my whole life hearing “don’t stick your dick in crazy” as a fucked up challenge. These women fuck like porn stars and I was not only desperate, I was also addicted to the kind of rewards given for putting up with crazy women.

    Took me too long to realize in a very tragic way that the risk is not worth the rewards. It nearly destroyed me, but I am multitudes of a better man for getting through it.

    [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Can relate. Spent almost 3 years with a chick that was swimming in Histrionic Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Disorder..... you see any messed up traits early on? RUN!

    [–]girlpearl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    For the record it’s totally possible to date a girl with mental health issues. I’m living proof as long as I don’t misbehave. Other women have learned this as well. I just wanted to share my positive experience despite my weakness (5+ year redpill relationship)

    [–]21Convention FounderDream_21 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I support this post big time.

    Eventually, FemalePyschopath(d0t)com will launch as a free resource for understanding cluster B disorders in women. Dangerous personalities exist beyond that cluster though... steer clear of crazy.

    [–]hugeveinycock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I hope I'm wrong but I think I'm not.

    In my experience, Cluster B disorder women have been, yes, the craziest, but also unfortunately: the fucking hottest/sexiest, and the horniest/sluttiest. They will suck your dick off your body right in a Mcdonald's drive thru, whereas most "normal" women would never do that. I have fucked Cluster B girls and while I'd never marry one, I love having them in my life.

    Hot take on the topic: All of the destruction they cause is a trade off for how much fun it will be to fuck them. Maybe I'm fucked up too?

    [–]nomba 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Good luck with this - I believe female mental health will be the number one health issue in the western world in 10-15 years.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    ...Will be??? lol

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I'd say don't date the men with mental health issues, either. The possessive and controlling types. If you are 5 minutes late coming home, he will grill you with questions and accuse you of some terrible stuff, like cheating. this is usually caused my massive amounts of insecurity and and unresolved trauma; such as a guy's past lover cheating on him and now he is super on the edge about all women cheating on him. He never truly healed and now projects these insecurities onto all women he is interested in. When someone confronts him with these issues, he becomes VERY defensive and takes serious offense from what you are saying. You are just trying to help him, but he is taking the help as passive aggressive fighting words. He thinks he is in the right and will not self-reflect or see that he is doing wrong. I have had personal experience with this. Almost had a really good southern fella except his crazy showed the second day of me talking to him. He was very triggered from what I was saying, sounded like a guilty conscience. If he was truly comfortable with himself, he would not take offense.

    Everyone is a little crazy to a degree, what matters is that we work on ourselves and better ourselves. I wouldn't mind a guy that is a little depressed sometimes, as it comes and goes throughout life for all of us. As long as he works hard, sticks to his grind, takes care of himself, etc. Nobody wants to date you if you never take showers and you live with your mom or grandparents because you have no motivation to better yourself and your situation. The same goes for women, if you are seeking someone, your partner, LTR, pick a female that has her shit together and has an insane amount of ambition. There are all sorts of red flags to look out for. A big one, IMO, is her social media. This is coming from the perspective of a young woman who, for a few years, used to use social media heavily, trying to fit in with the 'popular' girls who would get 100 likes on their selfie posts and seemingly a lot of praise. (my posts never got as much as the IG thots got, so I switched to political memes, then eventually just deleted my IG). If her social media is filled with selfies of herself, RUN. She is narccissistic. You can tell a lot from someone's social media, the things they love would be in their posts/photos. It's all them? They love themselves and their ego. A good woman knows her worth and does not rely on the validation of others (often times strangers) to know that she is pretty. If her social media is full of interesting photos, her hobbies, passions, work, education, places she has travelled to, etc. I think this is perfectly acceptable and you should feel no worry.

    [–]1Entropy-7 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    The problem is that all women have mental health "issues". Just because they don't have a clinical diagnosis doesn't mean they don't. At best, it is on a spectrum from quirks to massive pathologies. The second problem is that they are good at hiding their crazy she-hulk/werewolf side. Third is that some of the red flags are awesome such as the hot girl who falls for you quickly, gives you the most amazing second date sex ever, and then rocks your world on an ongoing basis. The natural tendency is not to check yourself and think that she is crazy.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The problem is anyone feels entitled (and mainstream & herd culture have promoted this attitude) to see as "mental issues" any mental trait in their neighbor that displeases their egos (or, in the case of groups, the egos of the herd rulers).

    "All women have mental issues" means nothing. "All women have hen-like minds lacking self-awareness, whose psychological time horizon spans the same as your average insect's"? This starts to have meaning, and a relation with how things are.

    [–]jh36117 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    This includes hairstylists and accountants.

    [–]ImmunosuppressedTau 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I intuitively get hairstylists. But not intuitively accountants. I think you are correct when I think about it. All female accountants I know are crazy alcoholics. Why do you think they are attracted to accountancy?

    [–]dotwav2mpfree 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I need more explanation on the accountancy thing. I would agree if you had included bartender or restaurant manager, but why a career that involves substantive analytical skills and a bachelors?

    [–]csch65 7 points8 points  (3 children)

    Don't kid yourselves. They ALL have mental health issues.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    In the age of social media, pretty much. There's a few rare breeds that shun that shit and were raised right, but they're few and far between.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    What social media, and the privacy of the Internet do is... bring out people's real nature. Allow people to be who they are.

    Just like a good number of males are biological machines designed to spend their day in an organization, enjoying their domination over as many other males as possible (and the rest of males are drones enjoying being directed), women can be seen as blends of a miniature ego (as little as its narcissism is huge, which stands to reason) coupled with a couple of mental systems: one to detect exploitable males and one to build boost and upkeep their own social status (their mask), both systems having self-deception and deception as their mainspring.

    They also function much more efficiently due to complete lack of self-awareness.

    We all more or less rewrite memory in a self-serving way and use cognitive dissonance when it suits us — women are just all Olympic Gold Medals. They can switch from "My husband mistreats me so meanly [you can fuck me whenever you want, he so deserves it!]" today because you cracked 3 cool jokes on a row and had frame to "My husband is a noble knight I'd never leave him for no man on earth" the day after (because you acted beta). They can do that without any inner hint of how dishonest they are.

    [–]tallwheel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Yeah. Pretty much. It's a spectrum. You just want to date the ones who are less crazy instead of the real mental cases.

    [–]Nofap_Dutch 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Good posts always start with words like chucklefucks, nice post op

    [–]Redewedit 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    This! Married one, dated one, both left me in temporary ruin. Never again.

    [–]peterpeca 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Jokes on us.. They're all crazy lol

    [–]bdebramo1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    What is life without mental health issues like?

    [–]masterbruno11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    is there a girl who doesn't have a mental issue?

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I remember being depressed last year, and blue pill wanted another half to complete me (lmfao?), my therapist suggested to find a girl who has PTSD like me and etc so we could work together on our issues lmao?

    Society doesn't give a fuck about you, you pay your taxes and take the leftovers.

    most girls with mental health issues are fucking dormant nuclear bombs.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I think when a woman is very mean or nasty and blames anxiety, past issues, or her upbringing, its a red flag as well. Then, they rope you back into the cycle of emotional abuse with good behavior, forcing you to walk on egg shells to avoid another blow up. In essence, their crazy behavior drives your behavior to conform to what they are trying to control you to do. It's a hard cycle to break, especially when feelings are deep, but it will never get better.

    [–]PORNKAs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    OF YOU HAVE A MENTAL ISSUE DO NOT TRY TO DATE ANYBODY

    [–]GOODLORD100 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Spent 2 years with a girl with bulimia. Not fun.

    Most stressful time in my life. Definitely not worth it

    [–]MalekTaktak 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I'm a mental guy and this worries me.

    [–]drkinferno72 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    All women have issues. Just gotta know how to deal with it lol

    [–]throwawaylifespan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Anyone over the age of two has issues, male or female. Whether they become big issues is another issue (bless you! Do you have a cold?)

    Stats say one in four will have a MH problem at some point.

    The numbers don't look good.

    [–]maplemaximus 3 points4 points  (8 children)

    I don’t know if we should start diagnosing asshole women. Most people are neurotypical, and sociopaths such as myself have to deal with a lot of blame due to normal people being assholes.

    Wait for a confirmed and documented diagnosis. I don’t want to turn this into lovefraud.com where we start diagnosing people left and right.

    [–]NapalmSunshine 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    Not every crazy hoe has been diagnosed. That doesn’t make them not crazy.

    [–]long-lostfriend 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    This is not good advice. My ex-wife fired her therapist the very second she discovered that he suspected she was BPD. This, as it turns out, is extremely common. To this day, she is textbook BPD in all of her behavior, but completely undiagnosed. I don't need a formal declaration to recognize it and act accordingly.

    [–]maplemaximus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My issue isn’t concerning the individual, just try not to tell all the people they know or something, that’s up to the individual, just cut that person off.

    [–]ATPsynthase12 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I mean if she fits the symptoms she probably has “some” mental disorder. But yeah a bunch of reddit armchair psychiatrists “diagnosing” bitchy women with BPD wont end well.

    That being said, most women with BPD or another mental disorder are pretty up front with it either because they think it will get them attention or pity favors or because they are genuinely honest and know a good portion of guys avoid mental disorders like the plague

    [–]oldslut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    this advice is good, but good in the way of "don't kiss a chick with a big fat herp cold sore on her lip". of course, don't do it! with that said, i guess these days, you would still have to warn some about both.

    [–]anonymous_troll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Listen guys. I'm not saying to marry them, but you will never have better sex than with a bipolar woman.

    [–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    The hard part about this so-called Exit Strategy, is that fake-it till ya make it, works both ways. Start acting like a pussy, and do it long enough, and you'll BE a pussy.

    There are other strategies- including move away for 3-6 months, always have a video camera (second phone) on you, to roll tape if she messes with you, and just refusing to play ball (live your life, if she hurts you, karma could hurt her 10x harder)

    Example: she trashes your car. You're careless and accidentally flood her apartment. She sets you up with fake rape charges. You reveal to the authorities, her surprising habit of narcotic trafficking. She kills your dog. You have a female gangbanger talk to her about street physics.

    Never let a man or woman draw your blood without retaliation. Better to go to jail, than let someone punch you out, stab you, or hit you with a weapon (I've seen all three of these happen to male friends, by women). If you are attacked unjustly by lethal force (a knife, a car), always use whatever force is necessary to protect yourself. It is not unheard of, for a BPD harpy to attempt to kill her ex-boyfriend. Or worse- does Lorena Bobbit ring a bell?

    At all times, be able to roll tape with one device, while calling the police with the other. It's best if she can't tell you are taping (hidden camera in a baseball hat). This is only legal in public, outdoors.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    The hard part about this so-called Exit Strategy, is that fake-it till ya make it, works both ways. Start acting like a pussy, and do it long enough, and you'll BE a pussy.

    That's true, but if you're following our advice you wouldn't have all your eggs in one basket to begin with. See also: spinning plates.

    [–]openoids 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Like saying "Do NOT Milk a cow with 4 teats."

    [–]L0RD0N 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I’m a victim of dating a BPD, depressed girl. I had thought she had minor mental issues, and also thought I could help ‘fix’ it. I knew I fucked up when she randomly withdrew from sex one night. Weirdest shit ever, left that bitch the next month.

    [–]dotwav2mpfree 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Is there a general consensus on which psych meds, if any, are acceptable? SSRIs, benzos, NAOIs, ADHD medications, lithium, etc etc. From my experience, a group-b doesn't necessarily take any psych medications, but would argue for a strong correlation with benzo/adderral use (again, anecdotal evidence based).

    [–]boogalooshrimp1103 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They all have mental health issues.

    [–]Karleetoss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    As simple as: "don't stick your penis in crazy''

    [–]ImatWorkfuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Where the fuck are you gonna find one?

    [–]suckymeh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I just avoided one. First date went well but there were flags. She follows a religion that doesn't allow alcohol, but she popped a Xanax and had 10 drinks that night (I bought her ONE because she paid my cover).

    Sent her home at 5 am after being up all night. She's texting 4 hours later, and then soon became upset I had not responded. Eventually she said "ok I can take a hint". I hadn't even woken up yet from the night before.

    I decided to end it right there "I don't think I can give you the relationship you're looking for".

    She replied, "whew I dodged a bullet"!

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    [–]allrandomworldnews 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Good thread. Used it once. Works great but the girl might try to fuck one of your bros.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I'll go even further and say that you should not involve yourself with physically unhealthy women, either.

    Sounds pretty cold-blooded, I know, but once you realize that you live in a world of abundance, why would you voluntarily put yourself in a situation with someone who is going to drag you down or hold you back with her fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, or weird allergies?

    [–]celloist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Always had the problem that must girls are dull as fuck and i get bored of women so easily the crazy ones are the fun ones

    [–]TMFDTM 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No shit...but i guess it should be said because theres always those few that say "Had I known..."

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