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Red Pill TheoryWhy girls always complain they were used for sex when they get dumped (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by JackGetsIt

Why girls always complain they were used for sex when they get dumped

 

Women live and die on their social connections. Think of all women like mini politicians. They are always trying to play to their base and expand their base and not offend anyone unless it's politically beneficial. Have you ever noticed that it's really difficult to pin women down on where they want to eat, or their belief structures or who their friends are? It's because they are constantly trying to be tactful and benefit by playing both sides.

 

Now. Enter in a break up scenario. It's of the highest priority for a women after a breakup to garner the lion's share of sympathy, support, and friendship. Most women, despite all the modern propaganda, don't do well independently. Women are highly highly dependent on society and groups for support. When faced with a break up women will plan it out for months, or even years, before the event. You could say that you are always either falling towards or falling away from a women. Women do not possess a core loyalty. It’s only your turn.

 

When the breakup does go down if a women calculates it will play to her base (the group of friends and acquaintances) she will use it. Out comes the hurt locker. That time 4 years ago you bumped her during a fight because she blocked the door? It's now you slamming her against a wall and she fell most likely concussed. That time you yelled back and forth at each other in the car? Pattern of extreme verbal abuse. That time you said her mother's annoying? You have always hated her entire family. That time she was half asleep and she begged you the week prior to wake her with your dick, and finally you did and she loved it and fucked you for an hour? Rape. That time you got a text from a lonely ex out of the blue that you ignored? Cheating. All of the sexual fun: kinky play, sloppy blow jobs, hair pulling and butt slapping that gave her earth shattering orgasms she bragged about to friends is now you forcing her, you using her. In a female's logic if you didn't marry her, father her kids, pay the bills and are still clearly in that capacity...you used her for sex. Black and white. Women use relationships, sympathy, and human empathy like weapons. Some weaponize more than others but all have it in their back pockets and god forbid you pumped and dumped her or plated her. Now you really used her!!

 

Where does this logic come from? One motivation: need for emotional decoupling from ex's. The same way it's easier for soldiers to go to war and kill the enemy if you dehumanize them women use self delusional tactics to help them emotionally move on to new partners. Another factor at play stems from a deep seated survival instinct all women evolved. Warren Farrell notes, “Men’s greatest weakness is their facade of strength, and woman's greatest strength is their facade of weakness.” Rollo writes about this in an article he calls 'War Brides'. Biologically men are more expendable than women. In tribal hunter gatherer cultures there were a lot of ways men could die, they could die on hunting trips or scouting new areas or going to war or defending from invaders. This could leave women without resources and a without a mate frequently. Women were left sorting out the pieces. Often times this meant her needing to quickly emotionally decouple from her former mate and re-attach to a new mate which might even be an invader or rapist or immigrant or crippled white pubic haired tribal elder. Women that didn’t have interpersonal IQ and emotional resilience didn’t pass on their genes.

 

We as humans also evolved from more primitive mammals that didn't cohabitate and raise children jointly the way we've slowly evolved too now. So there's probably still long lost instincts that men seed as many wombs and women gather as many protectors. Only one quality chad alpha seed that doesn't necessarily have to stay around is needed to get pregnant. The tribe and other males could provide resources if caveman Chad wasn’t around for multiple reasons.

 

Finally, we have a more modern issue that compounds all this evolutionary biology and psychology stuff. The ‘he used me for sex’ line is hyper compounded by Modern feminism. Modern feminism establishes that women are victims of male patriarchy and must be on constant guard and proactive defense of oppressive toxic masculinity. Modern feminism encourages women to act as a cabal or cartel. When your ex bad mouths you to her girlfriends she is signaling victimhood, while also reaching out for protection, but she must give her patronage to feminism. Feminism acts like a racketeering mob boss: “Sure we’ll keep your pussy safe but first you need to pay homage.” Show me a women that is protected by feminism that didn’t pay for protection. Saudi Women covered head to toe locked in their homes? Fuck you pay me. Stay at home wives? Fuck you pay me. Judge Judy, Stacey Dash, Christina Hoff Sommers? Fuck you pay me. Boys and girls having their sex organs mutilated at home and abroad? Fuck you pay me. 11 year olds married to 60 year olds in Afghanistan then stoned if they're raped by someone else or acid attacked for going to school? FUCK YOU PAY ME!

 

So your girlfriend is forced to choose support or the political and social wilderness. After the transaction is complete she will be praised for leaving you, she will be praised for 'outing' you as a patriarch and she will be rewarded for helping other women avoid you. This will give her elevated status in the group and she will get attention, and lots of other perks like social hangout time, elevated status and material support (room to stay, financial support, female attention and male attention when well meaning blue pill men get triggered by the crocodile tears).

 

Bottom line, modern western society is a gynocentric playground that gives your girl lots of room to maneuver in. Your girl is a slave to her biology, her estrogen, and modern Feminist driven Victim Olympics. Compound this all with racketeering and good old fashion group think and she is forced to flip the switch on you.

 

For more I recommend googling:

 

Redpill the light switch effect

Redpill the 6 stages of breaking up

Redpill greatest hits

Rollo war brides


[–]majorbollocks[🍰] 247 points248 points  (26 children)

Just last night I was texting with a fuck buddy. She shared in one of our groups a long ass cringey message one of her beta friends sent to her pouring his heart out to her bla bla bla.

As per usual she did all that "Wow that's so sweet if only the other asshole men in my life saw me that way bla bla bla".

Anyway we moved on to PM and I asked her why not try going out with him? She said "She's just not feeling it."

Here's the kicker:

So I said "Well, why don't you just be frank with him? No need to waste his time and yours."

She non-chalantly replied: "What? No, of course I'm going to waste his time!" (insert smiley)

These are the kinds of insights you get when you're deep in the game and women know they can't play you. They slowly let their true natures show. Keep grinding, brothers

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    [–]1GreenPiller 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    You are the hero good men deserve

    [–]thedaynos 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    lmao man that's pretty brutal. but awesome too

    [–]webleytempest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Awesome, awesome story. Great work and thanks for sharing.

    [–]Radioactivebuny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    HERO OF THE IMPERIUM | PROTECTOR OF THE WEAK | POOP_ON_YOUR_FACE

    [–]Funkyfookarate 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    10/10 but Seems petty. Why would you care to give your time to even set this up

    [–]WestyWorld 46 points47 points  (7 children)

    I've seen this myself. I had an ex GF who used to have very low SMV men send desperate messages all the time on FB. She would complain to me about it. I never told her to stop because I knew she would never consider cheating with such low quality men. But if I said "why don't you just block him?" She would do some mental gymnastics to come up with a reason not to or just change the topic.

    Fact is, she liked the attention, despite the fact that it was coming from a low quality man.

    [–]askmrcia 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    But if I said "why don't you just block him?" She would do some mental gymnastics to come up with a reason not to or just change the topic.

    Ive said this exact same thing to many women I know (co workers, classmates, team members, ect...) that complains about guys blowing up their phones.

    They always had some ridiculous excuse on why they couldn't block them or they somehow text them from numbers they don't recognize.

    Its just another scenario of not paying attention to what they say and look more at what they do.

    [–]fromthecrypt8 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    But doesnt your ex' reactions here go against the theory that women are repulsed that low smv men are actually trying to pursue them because it may make her doubt her own smv?

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      [–]fromthecrypt8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      So she is less easily repulsed by being pursued by low smv men thru social media.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      the idea of social value is where I went deep into the rabbit hole and never left. it led me to socialism and true communism and anarchy as the only solutions to the problems faced by mankind today.

      social value itself is an arbitrary statistic -- often not decided by looks or skill alone but by a variety of socio-economic factors.

      some people at the absolute bottom of the totem pole, in my opinion, should be our kings and presidents and the leaders of what are currently known as international megacorps.

      the system of selection itself is inherently flawed, allowing sub-par specimens to get to the top and claim 'social Darwinism' as justification for their social and economic value when in reality it couldn't be further away from anything related to Darwinism. all the while they legislate and mold society so that they stay in this position artificially

      instead of choosing for the traits they want, there is a balancing act between that and socioeconomic reality, which is a major flaw and damages the system severely and possibly irreparably over time.

      instead of choosing for traits that enhance the species, we choose the traits that work for us right now, while inside knowing in our guts its not what we really want, and ultimately, is what causes the entire social system to work as it is.

      it could be entirely different, in another world, there would still be different things similar to it, but it would be unrecognizable on the whole.

      it creates the idea of 'me first' and total and complete lack of loyalty and empathy because it becomes a dogfight for basic, free/unlimited resources

      [–]Simple_Sausage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Talk about hitting the nail on the head!

      [–]webleytempest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I think Rollo talks about this in https://therationalmale.com/2012/02/14/guilt-of-conceit/

      It boils down to these women disliking the idea that there's someone out there who doesn't like them. They can't handle it. It would make them feel bad. So rather than let these guys go free, they remain ambivalent and fickle with them, receiving that free attention and feeling better about herself because she hasn't ruined this person's feelings by letting them down with a rejection.

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 74 points75 points  (1 child)

      Thanks for sharing. That's a person that you keep tabs on and warn your boys about.

      [–]fromthecrypt8 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Did you ask her (confront her) about why she wanted to waste his time, even though we can rationalize the answer? Just curious to see her response.

      [–]SilverGryphon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Good luck with that bro, the only time I ever got a solid reply was when one of my Alpha friends made his girlfrend spit out the truth. She plainly told me that women can be bitches.

      The rest of the time they just go completely silent or would keep on changing the subject.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      why she wanted to waste his time

      Women can admit 'how' but rarely 'why.' The secret is dark and it would force a special snowflake to confront her nature. Obviously we can't have that.

      [–]evolveto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Similar story, my friend asked my ex, why don't you tell him the truth, when you love other man ?

      She said, i sacrificed a lot, let him suffer!

      [–]ChickenBalotelli 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      How does this relate to the post?

      [–]THETRUMPTRUTHTRAIN -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      What's the middle part again?

      [–]Mr-Ed209 36 points37 points  (1 child)

      Man my oneitis pulled this shit on me.

      In my BP days I travelled to see her after we'd texted for a month. I didn't make a move out of being a nice guy. I texted her telling her I really liked her and that I wanted to 'kiss' her cringe. Got the 'non compatible' spiel from her. I wished her the best and tried to move on by going no contact.

      Got random messages from her every other day which I largely ignored. After 2 weeks I broke and told her I'm coming over to visit with some big BP spiel message. She hit me with that she was seeing someone else and would visit me in a few months once he had left 'if I didn't hate her'

      I rightfully told her to fuck off and called her out on messaging me after she had started seeing someone else. The actual quote from her was;

      'ya I think it's shitty that it's always do we get to fuck? No? Not interested​ in your friendship but whatever! That's guys!'

      I was pretty speechless after that. The lengths they can stretch to paint you as a bad person is amazing.

      [–]Gugulen1 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      I don't think wanting a relationship or dating is necessarily blue-pilled, but it's still crazy how much she tried to manipulate you and call you "the bad guy". That's insane, dude. People like her are the worst.

      [–]johnchapel 27 points28 points  (4 children)

      It's actually the dumbest flimsiest excuse to use now as relationships are HARDLY required for repeat hook ups. Benny Friends is actually quite common.

      [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

      I like how you shortened "friends with the Benedicts"

      [–]plenty_of_eesh 12 points13 points  (1 child)

      Not to be confused with "Benjamin Friends"... 100-dollar hookers.

      [–]NotMyBestEffort 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      hehe - friends with Benjis

      [–]1SirKolbath 106 points107 points  (10 children)

      This is brilliant. One of the most effective analysis of female mindset I have yet encountered, and with citations for amplifying information. Well done, and thank you for posting.

      [–]Gbobby101 51 points52 points  (9 children)

      Right on! It's all a calculated act and lies. All girls know what's really going on and play the scene out to their advantage but assloads of moronic boys still fall for it.

      For girls, it's not what actually happened, but what people believe happened. White knights are not going to climb the tallest mountain, tackle an impenetrable castle and slay a dragon to rescue cupcake if the knew that cupcake set the whole thing up in the first place.

      [–]1SirKolbath 46 points47 points  (3 children)

      Personally, I'd rather rescue the fucken dragon. He's probably a better conversationalist.

      [–]Zippy1776 17 points18 points  (0 children)

      Right! The dragon's keeping out all the bad invaders, thieves, rapists and fending off the armies of destroyers while she's usually asleep just chillin'

      [–]askmrcia 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      Reminds me of a joke I heard a long time ago. When they said Mario was the actual bad guy. Princess Peach "somehow" kept going back to Bowser no matter how many times she was "taken" from Mario.

      Maybe Bowser was the actual cool guy and Peach just liked being around him. I told today joke horrible, but you get the idea. Your comment made me think of it.

      [–]1SirKolbath 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Simon Green (Who actually wrote a book where the dragon needed to be rescued from the princess) said, "It's always the bad boy that makes the good girl's heart beat just a little bit faster."

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 28 points29 points  (4 children)

      For girls, it's not what actually happened, but what people believe happened.

      I think you just said in a sentence what I was trying to express in an entire post. Bravo. The nice thing is that later in life men finally start to recognize and beat women at this social posturing. A former boss of mine use to say: 'it's not what you intended it's how people interpreted your intentions'. It's hard to teach young men this knowledge cause they struggle to listen and have a strong impulse to learn on their own (often in the most difficult way possible). Hopefully there are some young men here reading our thoughts.

      [–]jmc715 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      So how do I use this knowledge to my advantage? How do I "beat women at this social posturing"? I understand what your saying I'm just having trouble making the connection.

      [–]LaRedPill 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Read about powertalk, Read the 48 laws of power, but, read read them.

      [–]Prune_Justice 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      For girls, it's not what actually happened, but what people believe happened.

      What people believe happened is nearly always the most important thing, and its not exclusive to girls.

      Perhaps the point is that girls apparently have zero guilt in the outrageous lies they will tell to get what they want, lies that most men would feel guilty for saying. If i said my gf beat me up when she didn't and got her sent to jail, I would feel extremely guilty at some point and might confess. How many men are in jail now due to false accusations an angry women made up? It ain't zero. How many of those women wake up in the middle of the night racked with guilt? Probably zero.

      [–]Jakei34 55 points56 points  (10 children)

      When I think of a woman...I think of a man, and take away responsibility and accountability

      [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 34 points35 points  (5 children)

      It's reason and accountability. Which is such such such a well written line. Because guys like to say "women don't logic." Absolutely, 100.00% false. A woman will logically destroy you if she has the horsepower to do it.

      Her actions just won't be rational, they'll be emotional.

      That quote is essentially why the red pill exists. If women were rational and accountable, there'd be no debate to the existence of our reality.

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

      A woman will logically destroy you if she has the horsepower to do it.

      Great point; and there are a lot of women in fields of study that require logic. It's really just a shame that much of the time in their private lives they launch that logic train from a faulty emotional premise. Women need quality male leadership in their lives to provide rationality and accountability.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 12 points13 points  (2 children)

      False. This is the purple pill delusion.

      "I will findguide a girl to be a man with tits."

      You engage them on their level and you only get to love them for what they are, not what they are not.

      Which is understandably why the view of women is so low around here.

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

      Which girl grows up to be a 'more' rational and grounded human? A girl raised with a single mother and no masculine influence or a girl raised with a rational father who leads his family? My argument is not that we should shoehorn women to be little men, it's that women simply benefit and become better more accountable people when exposed to male leadership. Men also can benefit from feminine exposure as well. It's a symbiotic relationship.

      [–]Jakei34 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You're absolutely right. I fucked up.

      But females don't take responsibility either.

      [–]NotMyBestEffort 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Said slowly, with an I don't give a fuck tone, perfectly by Jack Nicholson to a smokin female...

      Well written - well acted.... but a movie.

      Movies are much easier than real life.

      [–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (7 children)

      Women complain about being "used" for sex for two reasons:

      1. It is a comfort test for an alpha guy she is hoping to secure commitment from

      2. After she failed to secure commitment then the guy is no longer seeing her, it is a retroactive slut shield and victim complex rolled into one.

      It is always their own fault for using their vagina as a chequebook or bait

      [–]fromthecrypt8 0 points1 point  (6 children)

      What in your opinion is the correct response to no 1? Just tell her there is nothing wrong with using bitches for sex?

      [–]Bulk_king11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Absolutely Not. It's a comfort test he said. Nothing about that response is passing it or alpha

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      u/Bulk_king11 is correct. Read up on comfort tests. Easiest way for me to pass a comfort test is a kiss, cuddle or slap on the ass. (Actually a slap on the ass passes both comfort and shit tests 75% of the time).

      [–]fromthecrypt8 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Ok, so when she complains about being used for sex, slap her on the ass and you pass? Lol, women are so alien to me. I will study comfort tests in more detail. Thank you

      [–]Bulk_king11 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      When she says "do you just want to use me for sex" or "all men want me for is sex" or complains about being used for sex. Say something like

      "Wow, is that all you think you have to offer? Where is your confidence at?"

      This puts the pressure back on her and also sub communicates that you thought she had more to offer than just sex so why doesn't she? Then once she hamsters. Tell her she's cute and kiss her

      [–]Hillary_For_Prison 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      "What the hell else are you good for? "

      [–]FuckboyAWALT 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      In addition they are mad because they disarmed themselves since they gave away their only 'power': pussy.

      [–]TheBookOfSeil 14 points15 points  (8 children)

      You know, I was thinking about this question earlier, why some women complain about being used after a break up, and I more or less came to the same conclusion: it's because they weren't going to leave (yet, if at all), or weren't ready to leave. You pulled the mat out from under their feet. If the tables were turned, she'd be the one taking off in Chad's new camaro, and never look back.

      This is pretty much why I currently see relationships as pointless episodes of self-serving gratification. I don't think we're really meant to have these on-going relationships. Simply hang out for a little, have sex, and go about your business.

      If child, take responsibility and raise the kid to the best of both your ability.

      No relationship.

      No marriage.

      No courts involved.

      Then, repeat, if desired.

      This, however, is not the way society has been conditioned to function, so most will naturally reject it because muh feelings.

      This post went above and beyond the rationale behind the female brain when handling a situation such as a breakup, and I thank you for this post. Very well done.

      Edit: to be fair, some women aren't as calculating and malicious as others, so consider their level of capability and bitchiness before deciding to go "full-douche" on them.

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 3 points4 points  (7 children)

      some women aren't as calculating and malicious

      Agreed. I alluded to something similar in another reply. There are women that have more control then others, and more class, but unfortunately we are living in a society that caters to and encourages their less desirable natures.

      When I first started reading redpill years ago I noticed a few of the vets repeatedly wrote posts and comments that when they wanted to break up with a women they simply start acting like a weak beta bitch and then she does the rest. No drama. No lies. She's just quietly slips onto another cock.

      This always struck me as un-masculine and cowardly but it makes perfect sense. Women are very vulnerable during a break-up and even more so if it's the guy backing out and 'pulling the mat out' as you mention. You are legally and socially exposed if she wants to start making shit up. Better to let her just drop out on her own.

      [–]TheBookOfSeil 0 points1 point  (6 children)

      ...when they wanted to break up with a woman they simply start acting like a weak beta bitch and she frs the rest.

      It's funny, because women show similar behavior. They'll start acting bitchy, ghosting you to hang out with other people, basically to the point where you end it, while they're probably already playing on a new meat pogo stick, and you take the blame for the breakup. It might be a trait that certain people have. Can't really say if it stems from insecurity, immaturity or both, though.

      As for the last paragraph, I understand the purpose behind it, but I don't see it as worth the effort to spare her ego in the end. If one person has undesirable traits, I think they should be brought to their attention ("I'm breaking up with you because of______") in a neutral tone. If someone was breaking up with me, I'd want to know exactly why, and if there's something I need to improve on, they're helping, not hurting, by telling me. Unfortunately, everyone's perfect, so this doesn't work./s

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      I like your suggestions as well, a simple statement in a neutral tone, then leave, but I want to say it depends on the person. The hard part is you don't know exactly who she is until you see how she handles a break up. I've never tried the beta bitch method but it seems like it might work. No matter what when you dump a girl your dealing an IED. Why try to defuse it up close or even remotely around the corner? Just let her keep ticking and find another target.

      [–]TheBookOfSeil 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      Fair enough, but if they can't accept what's happening, they weren't worth dating in the first place. If they wanted to be spiteful and strike up all kinds of rumors (which has happened before), I simply ignore them. If anyone comes asking, I'll ask them how much they really know about the situation, which probably isn't much, other than what they heard from her. If they don't know, and aren't interested in hearing the other side, I'll leave it as it is and say nothing. I'll let them think what they want, because I know it's not true. My actions will provide all the proof I need to expose those rumors as lies from a crazy, insecure, immature woman who has no business dating anyone.

      I never like to leave a situation the same or worse than when I came, so I would do my best to do what I could. If it amounts to nothing, at least I tried. They did with it what they wanted, and that's their fault.

      [–]majorbollocks[🍰] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      +1 for this. I would also add that ignoring the rumors and gossip and carrying on as usual actually adds to your bad boy points and other women will bitch about you in front of other people in public but will seek you out to fuck when no one is looking.

      The game is cray cray but it is what it is so get good at it or jerk off to porn

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I agree with everything you said here but it's a double edged sword. As you add to your badboy points you also open yourself up for false rape accusations, sexual assault accusations and whisper campaigns that can ruin careers. Women use this power all the time to fuck up innocent men. Keep on close guard if you're going to play the game.

      [–]TheBookOfSeil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      All of those become possibilities as soon as you even speak to a woman. If they want to act like that, fine. I'm not necessarily obligated to react. Plus, the people who actually know you, will know that you would not have done it, because that's not how you roll. If it becomes damaging to your career, you can press charges against her for slander, if it would really be worth your time. Since it's not true, the best thing you can do is ignore the claims. They're cries for attention from someone who's desperate enough to say things like that.

      [–]TheBookOfSeil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I can only hope that they follow through with that in the future :-D

      I'm actually severely inexperienced in that area. Parents divorced when I was young. Mother got custody. You know the deal. Was raised by mom and essentially bluepilled all my life. Discovering truth has helped me some, but I'm too philosophical for my own good, and relationships and this entire procedural structure of doing things in a certain way to get women's attention just makes no sense to me. I'm happy being independent, though a woman's company wouldn't be so bad at certain times. I'm so caught up in this philosophy that I don't even try, or care. I guess time will tell how this all plays out.

      [–]Toolman890 26 points27 points  (1 child)

      You forgot that your penis size also shrinks 3 inches.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      That puts me in the negative

      [–]Johnnyvile 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      True but there is also a flaw when women do this. Usually during the good times she brags about the good things(penis size, awesome sex, good guy, etc) to their female "friends". Women are highly competitive for attention so when the man leaves the woman there will be those female "friends" of hers that will want to prove they are better and fuck her ex. They know the negative talk was BS if it was all great bragging rights up until the guy dumps her.

      [–]PowerVitamin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Upvoted before I even read "Victim Olympics", rofl

      [–]stoicsoul87 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Feminism made me miserable in my early years of dating.

      Today however, I can't be thankful enough for feminists for guaranteeing that I'll have a steady stream of pussy for the next 20 years due to their female sexual liberation agenda.

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Preach. Feminism has produced a fire sale on the price of pussy. Women should be horrified because this is the seat of their power; and some are starting to realize what's going on. Lauren Southern and Shoeonhead are examples.

      [–]2littleblacktruck 18 points19 points  (6 children)

      TL;DR - Women have a Rationalization Hamster.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

      Hamster is just another word for rationalization. Always has been, and it's one of the dumber terms on this sub

      Men do it too, just in different ways

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

      It's a lot more developed in women IMHO. Men have their hamsters and faults as well but be wary of underestimating a women's rationalization powers.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Oh this is undoubtedly true. Men are much more honest with themselves - and others - on what they want

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      rationalization? or self-delusion caused by a fucked up society?

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Interchangeable no?

      I believe that biologically women self delude to protect themselves emotionally. Our current society just amplifies it.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      self delusion is just that defense mechanism gone haywire.

      your justifying something that you know inside out not justify, but you do it to validate why.

      i.e.

      he robbed me, so it was only just that I stole $50 from his drawer

      even if the justification can be seen as valid, such as the above case

      [–]funinsun10 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      This is fucking gold man... Gold!!!!!!!!

      [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      It's simpler than that. She has sex as her main value, both recreation and procreation. We have commitment and resources as our main value. If she gives up the pussy without compensation in the form of commitment, time, resources, attention, etc, then she feels robbed.

      However is perfectly acceptable for her to string you along, promising sex that never happens just to get time, money, resources, and attention from you. She doesn't feel robbed then, but she is doing the thieving.

      You're the abusive asshole loser when she cheats because she needs to be the victim, and she can't be the victim when she is entirely at fault. You're the abusive asshole loser when you dump her because she gave up the sex and didn't get cash and prizes for child support, alimony, and half of what you own.

      I keep getting the "what are we" question. We are fucking and having fun, no need to complicate things. She is worried she will give up all her holes and I'll bail without compensation like the other guys have. I'll never love her, nor anyone else for that matter. I'll enjoy the time we spend together for as long as it lasts, when she decides to leave, or she gets too fat, I'll find a replacement. I'm always the villain when it ends, no matter what, so why bother getting the feels? I love my cars and dogs, people come and go, they can be appreciated but not loved.

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      She doesn't feel robbed then, but she is doing the thieving.

      Lots of men don't see this. They walk away wondering where all their time and money went but don't realize that that was the play all along.

      [–]EGOtyst 17 points18 points  (2 children)

      Its the same reason men complain about being used for money, right after a break up.

      [–]Reprogramming_Life 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Not really because men are actually telling the truth when they say shit like that the vast majority of the time.

      [–]Ben-bjt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      5 yrs ago my ex said I used her for sex cuz she was too useless to give me anything else, she was an emotionless shell and only good as a fuck toy

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      [–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Great writing style also. Cheers

      [–]LeftAndRed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I'm surprised fake rape accusations was mentioned so briefly. Same thing there. Gotta be careful.

      [–]1SeemedGood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      There is a simpler explanation:

      She is projecting her objectification of you onto you.

      As the sexual selector in a society that encourages them to eschew the natural objective self-observation, self-critique, and introspection brought about by adversity in favor of adopting victim status and externalizing the source of grievance, women are less likely to outgrow a completely solipsistic state. Thus, women are much less likely to interact with others in a manner which recognizes the full humanity of the other and in doing so resist viewing the other solely as an object for fulfilling her needs and wants.

      This will be especially true of sexual and relationship partners as women choose a man for both sex and relationships based on an evaluation of his utility to her relative to other available men, and she does this both consciously and unconsciously. Note here that utility is inclusive of how he makes her feel, his ability to contribute superior genetics to offspring, and any status she might gain for being associated with him and is not limited to his ability and willingness to provide materially. As she is not choosing him for his true self, but rather only for her best estimation of his utility to her, the process of choosing him objectifies him and in doing so establishes a set of return expectations. She "invests" in him in expectation of a return.

      For an ONS, the expected return is the energetic and genetic material that she obtains in the act from a male she thought could satisfy the sexual half of her dichotomous hypergamy. For a relationship, however, more return is expected.

      When she does not get that expected return, she feels cheated. For her, the sex was never really just two people enjoying each other. It couldn't have been as she doesn't view you as anything more than an object to satisfy her needs/wants. Rather it was part of her interaction with an object from which she expects a given output.

      When she doesn't get the expected output, the object cheated her - just like if you put your $1 into the soda machine and don't get your soda.

      Never forget that you whether or not you are Chaz B. Thundercock or Bob W. Beta, you are nothing more than an object to the vast majority of women. There to fulfill her needs in one way or another.

      Better then to be the sex toy object of a few or many, thus:

      Make your money like a boss, ride your bikes like you stole 'em, flog your cars like they're your slaves, spin your plates, and enjoy your life.

      If you happen to find one of the ultra-rare women that might be able to leave total solipsism behind and view you as a human being with your guidance, give the family thing a shot if you like, but be forewarned, it'll be the hardest thing you ever do, and it may not even be possible (still working on it).

      [–]Bohemiannn 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      The question is, which ones are aware of their social exercises? We all know plenty are aware, but what about the ones who are just lost? I agree about the feminists bit, its really quite violent.

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Good question. I think it would be very disingenuous to say all women are hyper aware of the magnitude of manipulation they engage in (I even see small flashes of light in social media that this whole feminism thing is buckling and cracking). I think what happens is that they get so caught up in protecting their own ego and psyche that nothing else matters. Righteous indignation burns bright in many a women. In the heat of a perceived injustice it now 'feelz' like she was raped or abused, or used, or cheated so that's how it must have gone. Almost like a self blindness brought on by trauma. "Heav'n has no Rage, like Love to Hatred turn'd, Nor Hell a Fury, like a Woman scorn'd." Congreve 1697. We can all learn something from our elders.

      [–]Bohemiannn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      instead of market crash there is going to be a fem crash.

      [–]LifeAndReality85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This hit spot on for me. Very enlightening to hear that another male has had similar circumstances to myself.

      [–]acetylcysteine 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Don't a lot of people here state that women are only good for that purpose anyways? So them figuring out that they're being used for that purpose isn't necessarily wrong? Why are you critiquing them for that...

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's the social engineering, false accusations, and whisper campaigns to control post relationship friendships that I was trying to point out. Nobody is forcing these women to have sex or get into one sided relationships. My second point is that the relationship is rarely one-sided it's often just colored that way because of emotions and power plays.

      If you read redpill a bit further you'd be surprised at the quantity of men that don't want just sex. They want relationships. Many men that are truly just engaging in sex for sex only are pretty damn clear about that. Women go into these relationship thinking that their pussy power is going to change and make those guys commit. Then they have the girl balls to be offended that the guy 'used them.' Who's fault is that?

      Finally, in the rare cases that a girl is genuinly misled by a guy who then ejects after sex. That not really getting used either. If you have sex outside of marriage or outside of a well vetted LTR then you're going to run that risk. From very young ages women are bombarded that men want sex badly, that men are happy to just have sex and then move on. Women that then choose to give their sex away free don't get to then complain that they were used. Super disingenuous and manipulative.

      [–]mooksterr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      My buddy's new gf says her last bf used her for sex and so now he's a month into them being bf & gf and they still haven't had sex... What advice can I give to him? I've got another friend whose dating a somewhat religious virgin for two months and they haven't had sex either. I understand that it's hard (often impossible) to break through the beta, but these are my boys and I feel bad for them.

      [–]human_enquirer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      My friend had a baby with his semi-gothy gf recently. Lives under her 'rents roof (apartment underneath). Anyway, he's doing as well as can be expected.

      There are a few different trigger statements that my friend the father can say that will result in her saying, "why do you hate the baby?" I assure everyone here that whatever he says to get that response does not warrant that.

      [–]I_AM_CALAMITY 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Warren Farrell notes, “Men’s greatest weakness is their facade of strength, and woman's greatest strength is their facade of weakness.” Rollo writes about this in an article he calls 'War Brides'. Biologically men are more expendable than women.

      You misogynist. /s don't ban me

      [–]Desadarius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yet another reason why I don't do LTRs and marriages. Get that shit outta here

      [–]lqtys 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      True. But how should we manage it? How to behave in a situation like that?

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      Frame. The core of redpill principle. Frame, frame, frame. How do you build frame? You do hard shit. Day in and day out you beat yourself up and make yourself a better person in every way possible. You are the sculptor and the stone. The day bends to your will and nothing phases, especially not a women's falsehoods, when you wake up and chew some oats and deadlift until your vision is blury...

      Jocko Willink and Joe Rogan talk a lot of this. See also: stoicism.

      [–]etherael 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      That's one approach. Another is say fuck the entire charade and do precisely whatever you want to do and nothing else, and to hell with what anyone else thinks about it, male or female, because a careful examination of the opinions and thoughts of others will show them all to be worthless from your perspective.

      You have to make your own world if you really want satisfaction, that's really all there is to it.

      [–]Shakydrummer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Holy fuck you broken down the female mindset so accurately. Learned something today.

      [–]Redteen224 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      This is great. The question is, if(when) those post-breakup accusations come out, what do you do?

      [–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Like any rumor about you, you must hold frame and act as if it don't get to you. I know it sounds hard at first, but if you're confident, that shit won't get to you.

      For instance I dated a girl in my social circle and after it ended she blasted me from me being bad at sex to me being an asshole and a liar to me talking to other girls.

      Told all our mutual friends this. I just ignored it and when friends brought it up, I just laughed it off and said yea "all those things are true" in a sarcastic way and went on about my day. I just found out funny how no one questioned her dating a new guy literally a week later after it ended. But then again there's no telling when she told everyone that we officially broke up.

      Whenever anyone asked me what happened, I'll just said "yea I don't know, guess it didn't work out." I won't bring up the fact that she's cheated, texting other guys, constantly lying making excuses on why she couldn't see me or how she was always tired from sex. I left all that out.

      If people tried to pressure me to say something bad about the ex like, "your ex said you did this and that."

      I'll just say laugh it off as if it ain't true and tell everyone that I wish the ex the best.

      No one paid her attention after my reactions and more people saw her as the one full of shit including two of her best friends.

      That's the best you can do. You just have to act like you don't care and go on about your day. Now if people do take the ex's side, who cares?

      Because at the end of the day, they are rumors. If you give off guy vibe that what she says about you is true then everyone will sniff that out and come after you with torches and pitchforks.

      [–]Cryxtalix 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I was a kinda orbiter around a girl back few years ago. But didn't pursue seriously because i was aware she wasn't really attractive at all, just a real plain Jane. At that time i really didn't have any other girls i could pursue so i hung out with her.

      Later i started to get really busy and didn't contact her much. I found out she got a boyfriend, and broke up again a year later. She almost immediately contacted me and asked me out. At that time i was pretty happy and didn't even realise she wants me as a rebound. A week later i she cried to me about her ex and I started to get really pissed, and i finally discovered TRP while looking for advice online. and I stopped contacting her. We stopped talking naturally, and I blocked her on social media without letting her know.

      6 months later, which is 2 weeks ago, she sent me a message. "I didn't know you actually blocked me" I think i can see why women still want orbiters even if she doesn't care about them. TRP was right. I'm sure she can even get pity points by stating I abandoned her during her moment of weakness(breakup) too.

      Anyway, regarding the main topic, do contraceptives change anything? Since women are more likely to be able to provide sex with less fear of pregnancy?

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      do contraceptives change anything? Since women are more likely to be able to provide sex with less fear of pregnancy?

      There are some studies that show that the pill messes up a women's ability to judge compatibility. Although having a lower chance of getting pregnant doesn't seem to alter her indignation because it's a deeply deeply ingrained emotion. Women are getting a lot of mixed signals as well. They're taught that it's powerful and the sign of a modern women to sleep around but this is so far from the truth of how female biology works. Women start to lose their bonding ability even after two and three sex partners and they really start to go off the rails biologically and emotionally after being pumped and dumped over and over. Every women I meet that I build some trust with I try to get over to redpillwomen so that they can drop toxic feminist thought. Women need to keep their sexual partner numbers as low as possible for mental health.

      [–]79rustyk10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This is mind blowing, but makes total sense.

      [–]GunnarX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      'Feminist driven Victim Olympics' - I lolled. Unfortunately, the default to victim status also leads to them being so unwilling to accept responsibility.

      [–]Robotemist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Just to reiterate how true this is, I had a fwb say she felt used for sex after she started falling and I wasn't budging. She was the one who made me a fwb.

      Only a woman can make herself a victim after she intentionally used someone.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Any tips/thoughts for damage control?

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I believe women could have a core loyalty but all behavior is inherently messed up by the capitalist system.

      we need to abolish the family unit on an official basis, and turn families into unofficial choices of life partners.

      we also need to eradicate this poverty issue and create either a more free anarchist system or a true-communist system that allows people to choose mates and lifestyles based on the feelings of their true nature, and not of socio-economic success or failure. if it must be, then anarchism is better because it prevents any one singular organization from maintaining absolute power and social standardization

      this current system was inherently, intentionally built around the psychology of humans to keep them enslaved to a small class that will always benefit and live as gods no matter what.

      this small class must be eliminated, and their powers as artificial godhead, broken up into a billion pieces and given away

      we need to restore a system of true natural selection, unbiased and unwarped by the interests of those who would keep themselves the centre of the social system

      [–]spoggos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Damn, this thread is fire. Tons of useful comments and advice being traded about how to tackle real-world situations. TRP it is!

      [–]Insipid025 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      Without mentioning the irony in the long diatrab you have posted on a social/community based forum, I think the answer to the question asked is simple.

      A girl will complain she was used when she is dumped for the same reason a man will complain she used him for X/Y/X or did immoral X/Y/Z to the man when he gets dumped. No one likes to be a loser or be cast away. So the human mind (for both human gender as proven by existence of TRP and XX) comes up with ideas, notions and explanations to deal with the situation that leaves them feeling inadequate, sad, hurt or unappreciated. It is a coping mechanism.

      Isn't it funny how the common human behaviour between two gender shows up when they are hurt, angry or scorned?!

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Be careful of a false equivalency. Sure guys can act shitty after a break-up. I've also seen some shitty behavior from guys that get rejected in public by women but women go through a systematic ego protection that men don't do. Women will also live with the lies they tell themselves for decades. Where as everyone around men are willing to point out the exact mistakes they made and they are forced to deal. Women not so much. People lie to them and enable them. It's often times not until their late 30's or menopause that they start seeing general reality and break-up realities for what they are.

      [–]Insipid025 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Doesn't TRP subreddit revolve a LOT around telling men "yes she was wrong, she/they/women are bitch, slut, whores (all reoccurring words in this subreddit). While many posts here are about empowerment and self betterment, most are doing exactly what you are saying happens in society with a woman dumped. I agree that society throughly enables a woman's prejudice and bitchiness when she is dumped. However, if you browse through the subreddit, you see that men are not that different too in reasoning and trying to self validate the experience as they "think it happened"

      As for social protection, it could be trickling down reaction from historical need for social support for women. Social actions or inactions always have an impact into the future. The society's tendency to make man out to be the villan solely upon a woman's word is sadly a reaction to history of women being shortchanged by men. Another aspect could also be that while many men may bitch about women milking sympathy for being dumped; they themselves would most like not be open to such social solidarity from their society in person. As for the men's society pointing out his mistakes or alleged mistakes, keep better company.

      Everyone lashes out when dumped or hurt. Everyone starts reasoning in a way that benefits their self confidence. And while two genders may go about it in different ways, everyone attempts to make themselves feel better and worthier for better company than their ex. Human nature is constant even through different actions.

      [–]FreeMuhMyind -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      You mention how women prefer to follow. As do men.

      All men look up to the "alphas" of society. Like rich, old men with young, skinny, blonde wives; just as example, and perpetuate their own emotions onto society. They become followers, and in fact, try to enforce their own deity onto the lower class, for false promises of riches in some afterlife.

      Once you become old, for example, it's not so much you want to be around 20 year olds again. It becomes too much drama, they barely have a care in the world, it's all about them. If you really think a 19 year old is going to love you more than a wife your own age, you deserve the false promise hoods of life.

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      We are all a bit tribal and slave to the pack. Agreed. However, men because of their expendability are also decoupled from following the hive as religiously. So as much as I respect your view there's a danger in a false equivalency. Men are followers but are not as entrapped. My post may come off as harsh on women but it's really just as much a critique on society and biology that traps them into those roles and expressions. IMO they are more trapped then men at least on some of these relationship discussions.

      If you really think a 19 year old is going to love you more than a wife your own age, you deserve the false promise hoods of life.

      I'm not really sure what you're going for on you second point. I don't think older rich men date 19 year olds because they are following other alpha or societies rules. All men want beautiful 19 year olds. Rich old men have a lot more money and time to take what they want. They're also at peak game and many have mastered the art of going for failure so they often get what they are seeking. A women that they are attracted too. If I'm wrong on your initial point please elaborate.

      [–]FreeMuhMyind 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      If you aren't trapped in a role, then I have superpowers.

      I go to church regularly, do I see men following? Absolutely, (as they must for their family). Do I see them behave? Listen to orders? Do as they are told? Absolutely. And it's quite aw-inspiring.

      [–]Wilhelm2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      such a lovely laugh i had, thank you!

      [–]Velebit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Have you ever noticed that it's really difficult to pin women down on where they want to eat, or their belief structures or who their friends are?

      Not really.

      This might work where you are but in my culture (mediterranean) women tend to know pretty well the latter two. The first one might be evolutionarily to make women suspicious of eating outside of home and make them want to make food themselves.

      [–]JeBooble -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      Think of all women like mini politicians

      Or, think of women like normal human beings you interact with on a daily basis. Your Mothers, sisters, teachers, people you pass by in the street. Bosses, landlords, the women who checkout your groceries. They're not all trying to make your life miserable. If you've had bad experiences with the women who have supported you up until the age that you can date and have sex, that is very unfortunate.

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      This sub is to help men understand female motivations and social dynamics.

      I didn't say all women 'are' politicians. I said 'think of them like politicians' to help men understand the female mindset. Mothers, sisters, teachers, bosses, landlords only use female manipulation techniques to varying degrees and some almost never use them and some over use them to the point of destroying scores of male lives. I know that you see men as beneficiaries of society but they are currently getting ass raped. False rape, divorce rape, workplace conditions, slipping job pay, treated as buffoons in media, etc. etc. (I don't dismiss that women have issues as well, both sexes have advantages and issues that need addressed)

      This sub is here to teach men that women have these tools in their pocket. AWALT is not that all women are like that it's that they are 'capable' of using those strategies.

      Men don't understand or use these strategies in their social groups and are often quite vulnerable to these manipulations because we have a ingrained soft spot to protect and guard women. This is often times used against us.

      [–]1SeemedGood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Or, think of women like normal human beings you interact with on a daily basis

      We do, we think of them as we see them behave, that is to say like normal human beings that are completely incapable of seeing us as such, but instead simply see us as objects to satisfy their needs and wants.

      Unfortunately, this is our collective experience of the vast majority of women with whom we interact, even our mothers.

      And that's why the poster to whom you responded is suggesting the politician simile. It can be very difficult for us to understand the extent to which women objectify us and all others.

      [–]OmeletteDuLeFromage -1 points0 points  (4 children)

      Man, I really need someone to "changemyview" about this sub because I'm having a hard-time understanding the general position of people here.

      [–]JackGetsIt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Shoot. I can do the best I can but you might have a better time over at purple pill debate. Also my 'redpills greatest hits' post is overview of a lot of the terminology if that's the area you're struggling in.

      [–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think changeMyview for this sub will be ineffective.

      I'll tell you why. You go to changeMyview, everyone on there will just say that people on the redpill are just guys that are bitter and got screwed over by women.

      With that said, I don't think nothing will change the views here of most guys because there are documented studies that pretty much backs up most of the claims on this sub. Sure there are tons of bitter guys here, but there are also tons of guys here who are in good marriages or just do well with women anyways and still holds the same views.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Read the sidebar material, post like these are written in the anger phase and not necessarily aimed at "neutral" people.

      In case you really want to know more and not just be like "yeah I went there, you guys were right, they all just hate women. Case closed, mind made up."

      [–]sniffdat -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      is "Bigger leaner stronger" good for beginners? and why isnt it mentioned here