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Blue Pill ExampleTried being a wingman for BP friend, got thrown under the bus (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by TheDarkRanger

We weren't very close. Not friends, but not acquaintances either. He'd invite from time to time to his dance clubs and introduced me to his friend circle. At school, I noticed there was one cute girl in my social circle who was CRUSHING on this guy. At a houseparty of his she'd grind on him all night long. At the club she'd follow him everywhere. Same at school. Always hanging out around him.

I learned from a friend of mine that this dude would often lament about how he's never had a girlfriend (kissless virgin). He'd been shown interest several times in the past from various other girls, but he would just ignore them saying he was "not interested", only to end up regretting it later. I felt a certain pity for him, so I thought I could try to hook him up with this girl. She was giving him some very strong IOIs and this chump just couldn't see them. I had to act.

So I decide to message him one day about it and tell him that I've noticed that she liked him. He said "I know, we have a date set up on Friday". He said he liked her too. Out of curiosity, I've asked him if in the past two months he's made any move on her. NONE AT ALL. So I'm frank with him - I tell him to be smooth about it, but to get a k-close on this date. Guess what he does next..

He SCREENSHOTS the convo, sends it to the girl's best friend (who happens to be the most avid gossiper for miles), who ends up sending it to the girl in question and everybody in both her and my friend circles. Lots and lots of drama ensue about how I'm "objectifying women". I wouldn't normally mind but she was a latchkey to a lot of new girl friends. Now she's legit pissed at me to the extent that if I say a "hi" or try and start small-talk she ignores me.

I confronted this guy in a calm way, told him that what he did was not respectful and that he should learn about the concept of discretion. I told him not to do that again and wtf did he do? Stared in his phone screen the whole time and was like "uh-huh, yeah, sure, ok man". Told him the rest is up to him and if he fucked up, I wouldn't help him.

See, I tried to help a drowning man and ended up getting pulled down under. He's probably going to screw things up then start crying again about how he's a kissless virgin. The lesson here, gents: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't force it to drink. If you do you get a kick in the nuts.


[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

You fucked up by trying to help a loser who doesn't want to be helped, and he fucked up by trying to virtue signal and gave away his intent as well, so now all the women in that social circle's pussy's just dried up towards him. To him all I can say is "Good job, moron!"

Let this be a lesson to all why you don't offer advice to those who aren't ready for it.

Notice I didn't say who asked for it. There's a gargantuan difference. I've been teaching self-help with a helping of pickup added to it for years and I'd say most of the guys who attend don't really want to be helped. They think they do, but they really aren't interested in making the changes necessary to improve. And these are guys who actively seek out help.

Point being, even if this acquaintance of the OPs had asked for help, odds are he still wouldn't have benefited and quite possibly could have still thrown him under the bus.


My advice to the OP, hold frame. You're going to get shit tested through the roof. Hold frame. Reference the thread on the sidebar on handling shit tests, but HOLD FRAME.

[–]TallDarkandBot 740 points741 points  (5 children)

You gave advice to someone who didn't ask, who you admitted is not even a friend of yours. Your ego got you in trouble mate.

[–]SlappaDaBayssMon 115 points116 points  (4 children)

Ain't that a bitch, though? No good deed goes unpunished.

[–]IisDirty 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Lol he's just tryin to get cozy for self serving reasons

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Lesson number one not just for the Redpill but in all areas of life.

"DO NOT HELP THOSE WHO CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES"

Look at how Jesus ended up, they threw his ass under the bus too with no regrets

Lesson in there.

[–]Da_llluminati 862 points863 points  (26 children)

you should have just plated his oneitis TBH

[–]OracleofFl 292 points293 points  (10 children)

This would have been the most helpful thing the OP could do for this dude. In fact, the OP should make a move on the HB and just tell her "all I was saying to Mr BP is that I would definitely try to kiss you if I were on a date with you". That will get her hamster wheel spinning.

[–]Grimsterr 62 points63 points  (6 children)

OP's already sank that boat, sounds like he showed major butt hurt, and lost his composure enough that her giny will dry up around him much like it will after a few dates with the chump she's about to date.

[–]bestCallEver 25 points26 points  (5 children)

Where in this post does it say that op lost his composure, or approached the girl in any way?

[–]Grimsterr 52 points53 points  (4 children)

It's pretty obvious, hell his post is full of butt hurt puke.

Now she's legit pissed at me to the extent that if I say a "hi" or try and start small-talk she ignores me.

He cares way way too much about what people think and he's trying way too hard.

[–]U_Lika_Da_Tomato 22 points23 points  (0 children)

You're reading way too much into that.

Dude said she was a latchkey so it's perfectly reasonable to try to maintain some type of contact. If he continued to try after getting a cold response then I could see the butt hurt, but he doesn't say anything about a follow up effort.

Also, he mentions she's part of his social circle, so yeah, I would say there is reason to try to be cordial, at first. Diplomacy is always a better first tactic than straight up 'Salting the Earth'.

[–]TheDarkRanger[S] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't say I was butthurt about it... Just continued acting like all was normal, didn't apologise to anybody or act upset about it.

[–]OMGtothemoon 54 points55 points  (1 child)

Should bust a nut on her face and take a pic to send to Blue Boy

[–]Devastating 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Sometimes we have to lead by example.

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (1 child)

exactly and his fuck wit friend would be just the type to lose his shit over it as if he owned her.

[–]BadNerfAgent 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't see the benefit for either of them.

[–]1StinkyDiaper 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This would've done more good for the guy than OP trying to help him.

[–]eccentricrealist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It would be a good call to action but don't forget the dangerous beta

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Who says OP's smv is high enough to just plate any girl he wants?

[–]ThrowFader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly! If his SMV was high enough he would have tyb instead of posting on TRP

[–]lifestuff69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This. You can talk to her, laugh about and play down the text, say you noticed her interest in him and were just trying to help both of them, then change the subject, escalate, k-close ("You need to be kissed well. Since he is too much of a pussy to realize this, the least I can do is help..."), maybe f-close.

If she was grinding on his friend at a club she is obviously a horny little minx like all women are for the right guy. After what he did I would bang the shit out of her and teach him a lesson.

[–]osirise 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do this for funsies. If the logistics are there. Lol

[–]fromthecrypt8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. Plating his oneitis would be the best introduction to trp. The bp guy would ever crumble or become red pilled.

[–]MagickalOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plate her and then when she is sending texts to him about she enjoyed his dick he could send a screenshot of that to the dude

[–]Mr-Ed209 499 points500 points  (21 children)

The fucked up thing is this guy sent her the screenshot in the hope of 'scoring some points' in his own virtue signalling 'i'm not like other guys, i respect women' way. The ultimate irony is his actions are going to lead him to continue to be a kissless virgin and if he just had followed your advice he would have a wet dick by now.

[–]B_Campbell 188 points189 points  (9 children)

This is the part that annoys me the most. The guy is such a pussy he can’t look cool on his own with out putting someone else down. It reeks of loser.

[–]pocket_rocketsin- 75 points76 points  (3 children)

Those people that have to put others down are usually the biggest pussies, piece of shit losers you will come across, usually low self esteem guys. Stay well away

[–]occupythekitchen 37 points38 points  (0 children)

He looked down on his phone because he isn't even man enough to tell him. Hey I think what you said was wrong and had to vent. Yeah he is still a dick but he'd defend his view like a man. Instead he pretends he isn't interested hoping the other guy goes away

[–]2Stoned0Jaguar9deux 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They will often have no remorse of using others either. I knew one, dude was a backstabber.

[–]RasputinGame 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I noticed a long time ago that those that shit on others constantly eat shit from others with a smile.

The Human Centipede is the parable of our times.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (4 children)

Just want to chime in here, the other lesson is don't text self harming stuff. You lost the key to a social circle (probably meaningless long term). If you had the conversation in person and said just kiss her could have played a whole different angle in the story.

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    [–]B_Campbell 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I know. The lesson is don’t put your self in that situation but you’d think you could trust a friend. The white knighting at your buddy’s expense kills me. That’s enough to end a friendship.

    [–]acetylcysteine 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    im interested to know where/how he learnt this to be an effective measure in winning women over. you'd think you'd change your technique after so much failure eventually.

    [–]_the_shape_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    you'd think you'd change your technique after so much failure eventually.

    Unless you're convinced all of these women just don't "get it" ("I'm trying to save them from the Chads of the World, goddamn it!!! and hopefully this leads to my dick getting wet"), but that it's a matter of continuing to fight "the good fight" (i.e. doing the same retarded shit over and over and over) until you get through to at least one.

    [–]Drumcode-Equals-Life 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Some people truly never learn from their mistakes, they just make the same ones over and over. I had some girl on the rebound that I was fucking basically brag about it to me.

    Suffice it to say I saw the red flags and just laughed when I found out she was back with her loser ex boyfriend, taking advantage of his money and house because she was living with her grandfather before he took her back in desperation.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I recently had a similar situation, worse actually, she cheated on him with me. Then told me what a loser and piece of shit he was constantly. We managed to meet up and fuck 3-5 nights a week even though they lived together, this went on for a few months. She treated him like shit and eventually dumped him. Then I broke things off with her and now she's back with him because he's paying her rent on a big house that fits all her kids. She's busy pretending to be happy and probably looking for more random dick.

    [–]imabadasstrustme 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    They don't want a wet dick. They want girls to tell them that they're "enough".

    A lot of beta blue pill guys are surrounded by girls yet can't get any. It's because they love the validation it gives them so they constantly appease the girls so that they are tolerated. Instead of being a man and risking rejection, they basically castrate themselves and suppress their sexuality so that they can fill their ego.

    It's like they're in a lake but dying of thirst.

    [–]NorthEasternNomad 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Bam! Nailed it!

    This is EXACTLY how this is going to play out. The BP dude is basically a moron.

    [–]MisterRoid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Yeah. This "friend" is an absolutely disgusting person, and will stab OP in the back again if given the chance.

    [–]AllahHatesFags 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Virtue signaling does nothing to arouse women and in fact does the opposite.

    [–]Hltchens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    OP we need updates on this one. This could be a case study in BP ideology.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 49 points50 points  (2 children)

    Nothing to do here but laugh. It's hard for most of us to even identify with that guy in our worst days.

    [–]ShadyMahFuggah 21 points22 points  (1 child)

    Yeah. This is the kind of shit where being beta alone doesn't explain it. You need to be a special kind of shitty to pull this off for no other reason than a misguided attempt at getting pussy-points.

    [–]HannibalBacara 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Even if you're a fucking beta you don't betray people's trust like that. Fuck people who take screenshots of convos and send it to other people trying to score some brownie points.

    [–]Beanx94 105 points106 points  (5 children)

    Next time dont be the wingman and let him drown alone

    [–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (4 children)

    Yeah most people need the extra water to swallow a pill

    [–]AlexCarlin 13 points14 points  (3 children)

    Clever but fuck you for your username

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Control panel -- uninstall a program -- league of legends -- change or uninstall -- yes

    [–]IS_SUBTLY_IRRELEVANT 269 points270 points  (13 children)

    You went wrong when you started acting in this other dude's interest. Wtf do you care about his incel life... lesson learned and mind your own business from now on.

    [–]purduered 95 points96 points  (10 children)

    I mean everything about OPs actions are based upon assumptions of what the dude wants. Never did his friend ask for advice or help. Don’t save him, he don’t wanna be saved. For all OP knows, guy is gay and just on the DL. Seen it plenty of times.

    [–]NorthEasternNomad 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Was just going to say: I wonder if the "BP" guy is actually gay. He may well be.

    But yeah, dont try and rescue others. I have learned the hard way that trying to rescue a metaphorically drowning person, usually just gets you caught in the undertow along with them...since it was usually their own actions that created the undertow to begin with.

    [–]megamanxtc 37 points38 points  (2 children)

    guy is gay and just on the DL

    Exactly. This isn't oneitis, this is afraid to come out of the closet

    [–]Grimsterr 19 points20 points  (1 child)

    His love of stirring up drama definitely has a vibe to it.

    [–]juliusstreicher 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Plus, hot chick was GRINDING on him constantly. he's either a major retard or homo.

    [–]HannibalBacara 1 point2 points  (4 children)

    He said that the guy was lamenting the fact that he was a kissless virgin. Most closeted gay guys would make up stories about fucking girls to seem less gay.

    He heard the guy complaining so he tried to help him. Got thrown under the bus for it though so I guess it's a cautionary tale.

    [–]purduered 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Everything he heard was hearsay. Was not directly communicated from friend.

    [–]HannibalBacara 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    You're right I missed that. Still a dick move either way but I agree if a guy doesn't ask for help then you shouldn't extend any.

    [–]purduered 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I definitely agree it was a dick move but the way OP explains it I get a different vibe of the way he’s interpreting it. The way his friend reacted nonchalantly when he was confronted makes me think he has little respect for him and is just nodding in agreement because he doesn’t care. We all have that friend or acquaintance that is always giving us advice and we just shake our head and say yeah so that they will stop talking. I’m assuming the dude sent the chick the message because they were making fun of OP and it had nothing to do with his interests to score. Who knows though. So much context is body language and things that can never be properly narrated to the sub. You only get a summary of the whole story.

    [–]HannibalBacara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Very true. And we're only hearing it from the POV of OP so of course it's going to be skewed to make him look better even subconsciously.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I remember Steven pinker talking about homosexuality. Roughly 30-40% of it can be explained by genetics. The other aspects are testosterone exposure in the womb.

    But interestingly enough the Evo Pysch community has noticed that when males are starved of female sexual options they go gay. Like at sea or in prison.

    I’ve seen two guys go gay whose social skills were borderline retarded. They tried with women, couldn’t read their cues as women and went for dudes because communication was more direct. They were both soy boys who watched a tonne of porn.

    [–]Apostatesteve 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    This. Unless he asked for help directly don't but in.

    [–]shaggyctes88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    The thruth is...nobody can save no one.

    [–]Celicni 63 points64 points  (1 child)

    Yo, I'll add this:

    You said he wasn't a friend, but not an acquaintance either. Doesn't matter if it's your BEST FRIEND IN THE FUCKING WORLD. DO NOT FUCKING TALK ABOUT TRP. I tried to talk to a guy in a similar situation. I got a lot of "women aren't really like that" "you're crazy" and stuff. Fuck it.

    That's not to say you shouldn't help people out. But do it subtly. Can't give em the entire red pill to swallow immediately. Do it in small and simple dosages. Don't make it sound like you're focing them into anything. Make them think it was their own idea.

    The ones that react in a good way, and that you deem worthy, you can help out a bit more. Another dude in the same situation was very reactive to a few "dosages" of the pill, saying shit like "wow it's like you're studying relationships professionally, all this makes sense". Those are the ones that should be...led to the water...so to say.

    [–]Minhoquento 31 points32 points  (0 children)

    If you're going to talk about controversial things like TRP it must be done carefully, mentioned studies, good logical arguments, and the socratic method.

    Going to someone and claiming "women are children" out of the blue will get you nowhere in a argument.

    [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 60 points61 points  (3 children)

    "objectifying women".

    Please tell me you didn't put any air under these wings.

    A primer:

    "You objectify women" -- "I don't know what that means, but I definitely like women." (Emphasis on the word like to imply it has more meaning)

    "You just want women for sex" -- "I'm shooting for 'women just want me for sex', actually."

    "You should be ashamed of yourself." -- "We should go somewhere and give ourselves a reason to be ashamed." (Smile)

    "You're an asshole!" -- "Thanks! If you haven't changed my contact to that, I can do its for you." (Put your hand out for her phone... the possibilities are endless here.)

    The jist: 1) Never apologize. 2) In fact, celebrate being a horny male that desires women. 3) Always include them in the equation. Don't act like women are over there doing women things; this is a woman right before you accusing you, so she should be party to your perversions.

    [–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (7 children)

    Avoid the unlucky

    [–]MarkJohnPaul 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    Exactly.

    Let me elaborate on this though because although I would hope the sidebar and other supplementary material is engrained in everyone's head, maybe some can't tie the reference.

    Law 10 - Infection: Avoid the Unhappy and Unlucky You can die from someone else's misery - emotional states are as infectious as disease. You may feel you are helping the drowning man but you are only precipitating your own disaster. The unfortunate sometimes draw misfortune on themselves; they will also draw it onto you. Associate with the happy and fortunate instead.

    [–]PhaedrusHunt 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Man I tried that crap with my ex. I tried giving her some light instead she just made me dark. I had banged my fair share of women but it was only after dating a proud slut that I became a real man whore

    [–]DanAffid 5 points6 points  (3 children)

    Best advice EVER. I tend to hire from time to time people down on their luck that "weren't appreciated" before. All of them were self concentrated bastards I had to fire. In my field, after a certain age, if you're poor it's because you're either stupid or lazy

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    thats the thing, i'm grateful for my friends to support me when my luck has been completely shite, i know i'm not 100% there yet but making steps to eliminate the shitty behaviour aint a easy road. fair play to you for helping out those who were down in the luck (although clearly in this case and many other cases it will never work!)

    recently i've been using rule 4 to great success. people respect you more when you have the necessary shit in your talk!

    [–]blockchan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I throw 50% of CVs straight to the trash. We don't want the unlucky ones.

    [–]2comment 82 points83 points  (9 children)

    Stared in his phone screen the whole time and was like "uh-huh, yeah, sure, ok man".

    Ah, the new shield of the ballless passive-aggressive. You musta been sorely tempted to punch his face in, I know I would have been.

    [–]ZigzagLumen 37 points38 points  (0 children)

    Just reading it kinda wound me up

    [–]2Stoned0Jaguar9deux 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    These are the guys i want to physically assault, though i know the ways laws work, i would get fucked.

    [–]frrunkis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    The underlying threat of physical violence doesn't occur to blue boys like the guy in OP's story

    [–]wes1274 69 points70 points  (0 children)

    Sounds like he is trapped in the closet

    [–]YasserZe 49 points50 points  (5 children)

    That's what betas do , at the first whiff of pussy they'll throw you and everyone they know under the bus , to get dat pussy ( and they will fail )

    [–]SlappaDaBayssMon 11 points12 points  (4 children)

    So, I fucked up recently. I work in a restaurant as a bartender. We got this really hot new waitress a few months back. I know the rules, but we got off around the same time one night, went out, you can assume the rest.

    Well word got out, and now almost every other dude in the building, especially the low SMV guys have been allllll up my asshole out of jealousy. Constantly trying to get one over on me, or make my look bad, especially when this chick is around.

    Maybe I make a post about this later

    [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    Moral of the story, unless he is your close friend just mind your own business.

    [–]CasperTFG_808 30 points31 points  (0 children)

    I tried to help a drowning man and ended up getting pulled down under.

    Crabs in a bucket. From his BP perspective he sees you as his opponent to the dating game. If only Chad's like you didn't exist girls would realize the benefits of his White Knighthood.

    [–]1kick6 22 points23 points  (3 children)

    He ran "I'm not that kind of guy" beta game with you as the example. You should have seen this coming. That being said, where you actually failed is letting these girls shitty, fake, attitudes get to you. They're just running "I'm not that kind of girl" game on you, but they would have fucked...if you hadn't unleashed the butthurt.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Bingo. Ideal AA situation.

    [–]IronJohnKwando 31 points32 points  (0 children)

    what a loser. You sound like a good dude. Glad this guy will be out of your life

    [–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Even after knowing what he did, you seemed a little too conciliatory with him like you wanted give him a second chance. Fuck this guy. Call him a bitch to his face and then cut him off. As far a the girls, the best way to deal with it is to own it and to have "yea I said it so what" attitude. Honestly, something tells me that if you had more value within your group and girls saw you as more Alpha, they would have let you get away with it. If you establish yourself as sort of a mischievous playboy, no one is surprised when you do or say things that a little inappropriate. Girls will always make exceptions for these type of guys, and these type of guys will simply handle that kind of response from girls as sort of a shit test.

    [–]FuriousMouse 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    A "wingman" plays a supporting role in a two man mission.

    You just threw a lifesaver to a drowning monkey and he didn't understand what to do with it so he dragged you in and under the water.

    [–]Koryphae_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    As always, never offer help unless you are asked.

    [–]2000inchbiceps 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Don't wingman for people who never asked wtf.

    [–]ScrewChaseBank 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    This guy made you look like a bitch. Instead of worrying about getting his cock wet, how about you worry about how little respect he had for you, and how he so easily put you on fucking blast socially and ruined your social value in that circle. He didn’t even give a enough of a shit to look up from his phone when you confronted him.

    Be a fucking man, and don’t take shit like this ever again from anyone. There’s your lesson.

    [–]DntPnicIGotThis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Naw brother, This problem is on you because you was trying to intervene in another relationship (or lack there of). Mind your own plates and keep lifting.

    [–]Stonaman 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Literally, none of it will matter in four years man.

    [–]WWladCZ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Let BPs struggle if they have the brain for it eventually they will redpill themselves. Most guys are hypercompetetive assholes and this guy probably hated you in the first place. You would be surprised how trivial things can trigger virgins. Then this percieved "injustice" will grow into hate and if you give him a chance he will fuck you over so he gets the satisfaction of taking revenge. It's hillarious how your effort to help him was instantly weaponized against you.

    [–]binarynightmare 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    story goes to show how fucked most young men are in sexual strategy. Just think of the social conditioning and gender dynamic lies he must have been fed to think that the logical next move to 'win this girl over' was to pull this shit.

    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (3 children)

    old him that what he did was not respectful and that he should learn about the concept of discretion.

    Pointless. He's a whiteknight / betrayer, and this is not going to change. HE WILL NOT LEARN. He's just wired that way. Talking about it is pointless.

    See, I tried to help a drowning man and ended up getting pulled down under.

    Lesson learned I hope.

    When you help someone, ESPECIALLY with TRP stuff, you are then hugely vulnerable to them doing this sort of thing to you.

    Only help the worthy, and don't ever be vulnerable.

    [–]kogsworth 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    I understand the feeling of being betrayed by him, but should you be disturbed by his sharing of the screenshot? Do you feel like you should be hiding this conversation?

    [–]MisterRoid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Agreed. If anything this makes OP look like more of a man (so long as he didn't act in an apologetic way).

    [–]RedFellow21 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Never throw your pearls to swine...

    [–]bringer_of_glory 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Do yourself a favor and never hang up with this guy again. Just stop having contact with him

    [–]AllahHatesFags 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    This story reminds of the line in the first Matrix movie where Morpheus puts Neo through the agent training program: "If you are not one us, you are one of them." Every one of these BP males we haven't unplugged is potentially an agent of feminism.

    [–]juliusstreicher 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    OP, you sound like you have a major screw loose.

    You get some POS that throws you under the bus like this, you don't go have a 'bro talk' with him. You either kick his ass or ignore him.

    I'm sensing a subtext here, is it that you're trying to get into his inner circle, somehow? Do you want his club connections? A job at the club? He's not a friend nor acquaintance...what exactly are/were you trying to do?

    When you go to him, and he shits on you again, you should have walked away immediately. Instead, you tell him that if he fucks up, you won't help him. Meaning, that you are dying to help him. Listen, you don't need friends that badly, especially him as a friend.

    WTF are you up to, anyway? Something is way, way wrong.

    [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    exactly. I'm sensing an incomplete story here as well

    [–]enkae7317 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    White knights. Never try and redpill them. They'll throw you under the bus with no discretion for sake of getting pussy.

    A popular PUA (will not be named) actually ranted one day how he got into pickup because of white knights fucking him at every corner. These people are beta scum and will do everything and anything to cock block you. He probably thinks she'll sleep with him now that he showed her the convo.

    I personally have one thing I do with people like this: ignore them and never see/talk to them again. Cut them out of your life. It isn't worth it.

    If you're psychotic enough you can actually utilize him. But that's a different story.

    [–]radixaf 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Can you screenshot the messages you sent him? I’m curious

    [–]Cissnowflake 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    Consider this may not be all bad. I have a friend who a woman once told me that all the women where we live “hate.”

    Yet he gets more tail, from these women who hate him, than anyone I know.

    Being known as an asshole who likes sex is not necessarily a bad thing.

    [–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Thats only if OP is able to embrace it with amused mastery, although it seems like he is the one to get defensive about it and might try to atone for his behavior

    [–]Cissnowflake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That would be disastrous

    [–]Gwoas 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    You tried to help a crab get out of the bucket, but ended out in the bucket yourself.

    Still, I'm amazed how hopeless he is. Best thing you can do for him is hope that he'll figure it out the hard way. You learnt your lesson. Stay far from the crab bucket.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    what was his motivation for sending the screen shots?

    [–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Its what girls do. Overshare and gossip. This guy has so much soy in him that he behaves like a girl and bonds with women through gossip.

    [–]sharp7 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Probably something like, "If I do this I will prove Im a nice good guy and get female attention and be a hero :D"

    [–]dowild 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Virtue signaling

    [–]Matthewbim11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    White Knight

    [–]Solipsistic_guy 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Please give us an update on how it ends for him ha

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

    Most of my group of friends are BP and I can confirm they will fuck up your social life out of sheer repugnance or jealousy. It is so ingrained that it lashes out viciously. If you ever wonder why or want to know the measure, notice their investment in their own BP behaviour. The magic happens when feminism can automate and spread their ideas.

    [–]NoBattle 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    First thing I thought... the other guy is probably envious and couldn't wait to throw him under the bus in front of women.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Could be. BP guys stew. That's what they do.

    [–]cmacpapi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I'm new to TRP, what's BP? any other initialisms or abbreviations I should know about?

    [–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Your crime was actually attempting to convert a beta into an alpha. People are VERY resistant to status change of others in dominance hierarchies. If you / someone tries to rise then other people will team up to push them back down. This is because in cavemen times less than half of men reproduced and bottom 25% were sent off to die, so humans are EXTREMELY resistant to status change.

    w.r.t. kissing without permission: You just have to own what you've done. Don't apologise, don't even say "mistakes were made" as they weren't. Your frame is "If telling a guy to go for a kiss on a first date is old fashioned then you can call me Fred Flintstone" and leave it at that. Your identity is "that asshole that doesnt ask for permission and just goes for it on a first date". Like, "oh no!" lol.

    But the part of this that will damage you is the "trying to make a beta into an alpha" bit. This is very dangerous and can get you ostracised as its just too chaotic and crazy for most people in most status and dominance hierarchies. Subtly tell people indirectly that you wont try to status boost a beta again.

    So your next steps are to tell people "I wont be telling people like X to kiss without asking, but I just cant see myself asking permission to kiss so just warn your girl friends in advance that that wont be changing."

    [–]HappyBoostMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Dont help drowning people, you might drown as well.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Why do you even have a BP friend?

    [–]Cant_Tell_Me_Nothin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    They must share some similarities

    [–]ShadyMahFuggah 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Lesson learned: When you get between white knight betas and their adoration of the monolithic image of the pure, chaste woman, you lose. You got in the way of this girl's beta orbiter validation and payed for it. Funny, cause he dug his own grave, too. She won't kiss him (or fuck him) because he essentially said he would never do that by ridiculing the suggestion. Anyone should be stoked to have a friend who would want to help them out that way, your not-friend-dude just sucks. This is the way betas assert dominance, they use the tactics of shitty females (i.e. publicly shaming you and disregarding you). Don't ask for his (or anybody's) respect. Have a better life without people like that and maybe they get bitter, maybe you never see them again. Point is that you don't need that crap.

    [–]TheRealJesusChristus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Its going to be annoying for some time but in the end people forget this. And once they forgot just date her youself (he is going to fuck up lol). And show him what you are capable of. Maybe keep her as sidechick, so she is „occupied“ with you (you dont have to be occupied with her though) so he sees what a loser he is.

    [–]aBetterNation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    None of the girls in my circle ever say things like objectify women.

    Instead they're like, i have a date let me shave my legs.

    Run.

    [–]smokecheck1976 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Rule number 1. Don't put anything like that into media format. Individual women may understand that, but always remember that the mob wants what the loudest members of it want, and with women that is almost always a cohort of man-hating feminists. Your now ex-friend was a low rent asshole for doing that, but the opening shouldn't have been there.

    It can be the most innocent thing imaginable. Your advice was to just be cool and try to close with a kiss on a first date. I honestly can't come up with a thing that is wrong with that, if that is all you sent.

    Rule 2. Demand respect. Confronting may have not been a worthwhile activity, however you should have demanded that he put the phone down and talk to you, and if he didn't walk away and never help him with anything again.

    Rule 3. Own whatever is in the text. If they bring it up tell them not only did you send him the advice, you meant every word of it. It derails the hate train when you show that you aren't playing a game where you care about their approval and feel the need to prostrate yourself before them.

    Lastly, though not a rule, most women tend to have social circles that are larger than most guys, though most women also tend to have a smaller inner circle than most guys. Don't worry about one point of access to a social sphere, there are always others, and these days, no one will remember what you said last week.

    [–]MarcosDomingues 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Never give unsolicited advice... do you even sidebar bro

    [–]3nebder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2015/04/09/a-love-letter-to-conservatives/

    Be leery of the drowning. They will gladly drag you down.

    [–]Merwebb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Learn your lesson. You are a not better because you see different.

    [–]endlesstrials 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You are the BP one, OP. He got the girl, and you decided to be his beta orbiter.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You should hang out with better men. You deserve everything you got here pal.

    [–]red_matrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Man this beta guy fucked up by screen-shorting and sharing with the girls. If this girl was into this beta guy, she just dried up because what OP wrote is exactly what she wanted, a k close or more. She knows he's just virtue signaling, consciously or not, and now she won't be able to respect him.

    OP should dread and bang this chick.

    [–]VikkBlack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Others were right, you should not have helped, but really, what a fucking cuck that guy is, thats a whole new level of bluepill.

    [–]n8thegr8t1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    this is why i have given up over trying to 'help' beta males... most of the time, they cannot handle these concepts.

    and the big thing i have noticed, is that many beta males are 'hurt' inside in some way, some major insecurity and neediness, somethings you just dont want to touch because it hurts them or stabs that wound, not worth it ... this RP shit takes a lot of self-work, self improvement is the focal point of all game, and it's there are NO shortcuts.

    better to show through demonstration, not words and advice..never reveal your true intentions to them, betas are the worst.

    remember the 48 laws of power, these 2 are key when it comes to dealing with betas:

    LAW 38 THINK AS YOU LIKE BUT BEHAVE LIKE OTHERS JUDGMENT If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them feel inferior. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.

    and

    LAW 45 PREACH THE NEED FOR CHANGE, BUT NEVER REFORM TOO MUCH AT ONCE JUDGMENT Everyone understands the need for change in the abstract, but on the day-to-day level people are creatures of habit. Too much innovation is traumatic, and will lead to revolt. If you are new to a position of power, or an outsider trying to build a power base, make a show of respecting the old way of doing things. If change is necessary, make it feel like a gentle improvement on the past.

    god damn what a good fucking book

    [–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Well now you know what kinda guy he is. I know a guy that will screen shot text convos and send em out. I saw that one time and I never send him anything important anymore, just logistics.

    [–]Retiredmagician 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    That's shitty. I'm honestly more impressed you didn't knock his teeth out the next time you saw him, though of course that wouldn't have been the smart thing to do.

    [–]IisDirty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    He's a gatekeeping (thrower of parties, invites you to tag along) bluepilled bitch that you wanted to be buddies with. You know, for the perks.

    You can take a horse to water but you can't make them drink Smarten up. You just made a bad call.

    [–]PhaedrusHunt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    tl;dr Redpill is for guys whose hardware (your innate masculine nature) won't run the bullshit BP software (feminism) that society pushes on us. Natural born über alphas don't need it. Natural born betas can't use it.

    Only Wing man with other Alphas or redpilled dudes.

    I was trying to coach a MGTOW type buddy. He couldn't handle it and eventually stopped replying to my messages. Basically me texting him everyday tell him to get off his fat ass and do some push-ups.

    He just wasn't ready and probably never will be.

    I found this stuff on my own. Basically I already had an alpha nature but was dating a chick that was also alpha. I Googled something with search terms along the lines of "can a relationship between an alpha male and an alpha female work."

    I had already fucked a couple other chicks at that point but from there forward just stepped it way up.

    [–]DaftOdyssey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    What's k-close? I know it's related to pickup, but can't fully remember.

    [–]TheWaterTemple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Don't help these unconscious men. More pussy for us

    [–]quityourbullshit777 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This guy is truly lost.

    The fact he screenshotted the conversation and sent it was the point that he ceased to be a man.

    I no longer pity the dude, what a disgrace...

    Leave him to be a kissless handholdlessvirgin.

    And let him add on whatever idiocy he wants to "I'm a kissless handholdless hugless non sniffless virgin"

    A lot of these guys aren't ready to get anything better and they don't even know what they want. As you said he has girls come onto him and he rejects them and regrets it later.

    When someone feels under-appreciated and like a loser, they actually become oddly narcissistic. They feel sorry for themselves 100x more because they feel nobody feels sorry for them and they have weird cycles of behaviour. Believe me he is attached to the label of being "kissless hugless handholdless non-touched, 5 wank a day, piss bottle having, shitting in a cake tin virgin"

    Normally as men we cannot see another man suffer and we have the "we are all going to make it" attitude, but this guy doesn't want to be helped.

    Absolutely pathetic, leave him to his misery.

    [–]psionicsickness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Why do you give a fuck about her, or any friend's, opinion?

    [–]RP085 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I get a feeling he is a "defender of women" in his mind, with a bias in favor of them and against those evil men who dare to sexualize them, and if you are "one of those", he won't even talk to you.

    He is also not man enough to confront directly. It sounds like he is insufferable (because I've had guys like that who treated me that way despite my—in my estimation—benevolent intentions), but in the end, he's probably not happy either. No man can truly be if he doesn't feel like a man. It's like your masculinity is trapped inside your balls and it can't come out, blocked by all those bluepill inhibitions and self-flagellating beliefs. But he'll have to learn from it, it'll be an important life lesson for him: Continue being miserable adhering to this mentality (out of ego), or open the mind to new ways of looking at things.

    I wouldn't worry about it. Also, women who insist on berating men for "objectifying them" are also blocking their feminine energy and are not happy either. Women are miserable psychologically neutering males and ultimately not receiving their 'thrust'. Who cares what she thinks.

    [–]maplemaximus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Never aid others if there's no benefit for yourself.

    [–]Blueu2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I don't trust my family and friends to not stab me in the back. Someone less than a friend could very well have 12" blade behind his desk and a smile on his face. You should've banged that cute girl and let him wallow in his self-pity. Fuck that.

    [–]qwertyuiop111222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    How old is he? How old are you? This just reeks of high school to me.

    [–]Andgelyo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    OP if I were you, I would destroy his oneitis’s vag and record it. Send it to him and say, “ hope this helps you man”.

    [–]Bron-Dholbach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I think the saying goes do not give pearls to swine... my dark side tells me you sould beat him up and teach him a lesson, but probably you shouldn't. What he did was bullshit, spreading a private conversation is not what a men does. Do not lose your frame, it does not matter what this girls think of you in the least, just act as if nothing has happened and if someone confronts you about it brush it off.

    [–]Buchloe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If the world was as it should be, the dude would get popped in the eye for looking at his phone and disregarding you, after already pulling some bitch shit like showing the chick your text

    [–]poltergoose420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You and I both know he did it for nice guy points , which you and I both know he thinks will get him laid. He's gonna keep on respecting womaan until Chad shows up and cucks him . Then he's going to cry himself to sleep about " women only date assholes ". Normally those guys don't piss me off but the fact that he threw you under the bus to score brownie points does. What a cunt . Maybe if he had something going on in his bedroom, he wouldn't have to fuckin worry about what goes in yours.

    [–]poltergoose420 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You and I both know he did it for nice guy points , which you and I both know he thinks will get him laid. He's gonna keep on respecting womaan until Chad shows up and cucks him . Then he's going to cry himself to sleep about " women only date assholes ". Normally those guys don't piss me off but the fact that he threw you under the bus to score brownie points does. What a cunt . Maybe if he had something going on in his bedroom, he wouldn't have to fuckin worry about what goes in yours.

    [–]Hussy68 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    to be honest in that situation i might've broken frame and knocked that fucker out. Ah well....

    [–]Cozc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Probably should have taken that phone out of his hand and made him listen

    Not like it would make a difference from him, but I wouldn't be able to let go of the frustration of being dismissed by someone thumbing through their phone whilst I was trying to explain something

    [–]BetterforReddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It sounds like he was being a pussy by not making any direct moves early on, but that he was eventually going to get with this girl. You on the other hand seem to have gotten eviscerated by the social circle that saw the text convo. This guy might've needed help with this girl to some extent, and the advice you gave him was sound, but this post sounds like you venting about your current situation with the friend group more than anything. Try and play your cards right to get back in their favor, but if that's at the cost of your manhood, say fuck em and move on.

    [–]arleccio 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    So, someone tells you this guy you don't know well enough to call even an aquaintance is a kissless virgin so you try to set him up with a girl that obviously likes him. But he's blind to her advances yet when you tell him he answers he knows and has set up a date with her already.

    That doesn't add up.

    I also don't see why you complain about the chicks knowing you're objectifying them when you clearly objectify them.

    This whole story sounds like you're the beta-loser trying to show off to an alpha who's nice enough to just ignore your BS advice.

    [–]Nostalgia00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'd love to see the message he actually sent.

    [–]OpenCap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Holy shit bruv. I would just fuck her out of spite now and spit on his face. Maybe not the last part.

    [–]Ssobolibats 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm sensing a lot of missing info in this story and would be curious about the other guy's side.

    [–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Even with true friends imo never leave a paper trail. Even if he doesn't share who knows who will end up seeing his phone later. That being said this guy was a douchiot.

    [–]ISaidThatOnPurpose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    big deal dude, now you have a reputation for uh oh! LIKING WOMEN!

    and..and..and wanting to kiss them? fUCK!

    seriously though, this is a good thing if you keep you confidence through it all and be unapologetic about it.

    [–]TunedtoPerfection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yeah you fucked up, you tried to help a dude that didn't want it. Remember he "isn't like other guys" and doesn't "treat women like other guys do". So any advice you give him is going to be A) seen as wrong and B) as you saw, be used as a way to express to ALL the women you both know as a signal that he is "that right one" vs you "the bad man that isn't afraid of sex"

    But you fucked up even more in that you really could have turned this whole thing into a way where ever woman in that group saw you as "that guy." Remember women are going to be PUBLICLY against that shit, in private if you play it right you will become the dude they secretly message when they want NSA sex.

    Instead of confronting him and showing a response to the initial shaming from the women you should have played it off like nothing happened. Sure the chick is "mad" at you but all it takes is one quick aside in private, tell her you noticed she like the dude and you think it horrible for any two people with a connection like that to miss out. You just gave him the advice you wish you got when you were first starting out with women. Do this in a direct, non apologetic manner, and in a week she'll forget about it anyway. There is nothing wrong with exploring the potential for sexual attraction, you do this by going for a kiss. You were just trying to help love along that's all. I 'm normally not for 'explaining yourself" but in this case I think you need to just a bit and in a broad way. This would broadcast your attitude toward sex to the rest of the women. The goal her is to do it in a way that makes her run to her friend and tell them "oh he's not that bad, he's just a bit more forward that's all." If you have enough social proof in this group, then these women are dying for an excuse to be able to brush this off. they just need an excuse that won't result in the incel shooting them 50 million message about how your "wrong for them."

    Doing that would have set you up as the guy that "just gets it" in that group of women. Honestly the chick is probably more mad that the dude she liked ended up being so fucking incel that he not only refused advice she wanted him to follow but he also signaled to every woman in that group that he would never even attempt to be that bold. Her value in that group got lowered as she was attracted to him in an obvious way, this event shows she is not good at picking out "Alphas". She is probably more mad at herself for being attracted to that guy, then you telling him to stop being a pussy and do what she has been dying for him to do for a few months now.

    [–]tinydickbigballs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'd be interested to see what he said when he attached the screenshot.

    Had to be something along the lines of throwing his boy under the bus to gain white knight points.

    [–]atlaskennedy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Pussydude gave you a gift - now her whole circle of friends knows you’re an alpha male, and they’ll all try to “change your ways”

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You must be like 15.. I can't imagine anyone above the age of 15 freaking out over a text where you encourage a friend to get the courage to court a girl.

    First, tell his kid he's a piece of shit to his face make direct eye contact with him and get in his face about it. Don't get violent, but show you mean business. That was fucked up of him to disclose your privacy and break the fraternal trust you were building.

    Give him a chance to apologize. The only reason I suggest this is you're both probably kind of young and mistakes like this happen with young guys. Sometime you bang a chick your friend was crushing on or you forget to text your buddy back about a party you were going to that night. C'est la vie.

    But you need to demand respect from this kid. If you can't demand respect from him he will keep treating you like a doormat. If you can't handle this you need to burn the bridge because the friendship ain't gonna get any better and focus on inner game and developing relationships where you get respect and don't tolerate bullshit like this.

    [–]VeganMcVeganface 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yup. I still don't miss high-school.

    [–]Blueu2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You've heard of Captain Save a Hoe? Well, don't be Captain Save a Dope.

    If someone is just whining and has no interest in self-improvement, then fuck 'em. It's one thing if they say that they wanna get girls, so they started working out, but are not sure which exercises to do and how to change their diet. That man is simply lost, he wants to find the light, but needs help. On the other hand, if someone wants to get girls... but whines about women or life or society or the economy or some politician... fuck 'em.

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