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Men's RightsWoman accuses bar employee of raping her. Video shows them dancing and going to the bathroom together. Video also shows her smiling with friends after the 'attack'. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by cassandrita

Link to original story: https://archive.is/zsuRZ

TL;DR Woman goes to bar. Gets drunk and claims male employee followed her to bathroom and raped her. Story gets attention because she claims police asked her if she was a 'party girl'.

From the post:

"Every woman I know in my life has been a victim of violence, sexual or otherwise, at the hands of men," Pepper Ellett told us. "These crimes are so visible, and with sexual violence you're made to feel this stigma and shame and it keeps people from healing. It just perpetuates the problem. I feel compelled to say, this isn't right."

So she has victim complex from the beginning because every woman she's known has been raped.

Ellett believes she was drugged because she remembers very little of her time at Happy Ending, despite being careful not to drink too much because she had to be at her job at a Chelsea art gallery the next morning.

Translation: She had too many drinks but doesn't want to admit it.

Alarmed that something had happened to Ellett in the bathroom, Ellett's friend alerted the bar's management and security, and tried to confront the employee, who fled.

Translation: Too embarrassed to admit she's the type to have sex in a bar bathroom she cries rape.

The next morning, Ellett said she went to work, but her colleagues urged her to go to the Lenox Hill Healthplex on 7th Avenue, where a rape kit was administered.

Ellett tells us that while she was using the restroom a man entered. "I just saw this dick in my face and I heard a man tell me to suck his dick," Ellett recalls. "And then I said no and I remember feeling trapped and I remember feeling like I was being held against my will, and then I don't remember anything after that."

What actually happened

Update Link: https://archive.is/vD6PL

TL;DR The bar released a video of what happened that night. Shows Ellet dancing with the employee and being overly friendly. They go to the bathroom together and after 30 minutes, she comes out and chats with friends as if nothing is wrong. Ellet was outraged after the video was released because she claims it was 'heavily edited' and the bar was 'victim blaming her'.

From the article:

The video, uploaded to Vimeo with the title "Cameras Don't Lie," shows Pepper Ellett and two friends inside and outside the bar shortly after midnight on July 29th. It also shows her briefly dancing with a man whom the bar identifies only as "the accused." In text accompanying the video, Happy Ending argues that "the surveillance cameras show something completely different" than what Ellett has alleged.

The article is heavily biased and adds:

The video, however, does not show what occurred inside the bathroom between Ellett and the man she says raped her. Without audio, there is no way of knowing what was said between them before or after the alleged rape. And it should go without saying that dancing with someone is not a license for sexual assault, nor is occupying a bathroom with someone.

Sure she was dancing with him and goes in with him for 30 minutes and comes out smiling but he's still a filthy rapist. Except:

The video shows Ellet exits the bathroom and continues to talk, embrace and be intimate with the accused.

The video shows that Ellet stays in contact with her two friends without any signs of distress or intoxication.

This guy is really lucky this bar had cameras. If not, it would've been one deranged woman's words against his.

Link to video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x30rgum_cameras-don-t-lie-happy-ending-s-response-to-pepper-ellett-on-the-night-of-alleged-rape_news


[–]1rporion 154 points155 points  (7 children)

Remember the roofie scare?

Ohhh, date rape drugs, not good, and the fact that they only hazily remembered what happened, that fucking proved it....

Well, 98% of all women that were so convinced that they were drugged that they went to an ER acrually had a drug in their system that lowers inhibition and can lead to memory loss.

However, unless someone invented alcohol tranquilizer darts, they put it into their on bodies.

A female judge in England ended her career with the immortal words that those "rape trials" would be a whole lot easier if those sloots did not drink like fish.

She was not fired, she just retired and always wanted to say this.

[–]mugatucrazypills 29 points30 points  (6 children)

there was that interesting article back about a sub culture of new yorkers women and men slipping roofies not for sex but just to screw people up for their amusement.

that and they don't tell you 75% of the city has active genital herpes in the brochure.

but hey when your false case falls apart you'll always have the roofie claim to fall back on.

[–]Lt_Muffintoes 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Active herpes.

Turns out you can spread that shit even without symptoms

[–]Hammoch 4 points5 points  (4 children)

You can? Everything I've heard and read about Herpes is that unless you have an outbreak you aren't contagious and can't spread it.

If this is true then it is some scary shit.

[–]Lt_Muffintoes 19 points20 points  (0 children)

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/genital-herpes/basics/definition/con-20020893

If infected, you can be contagious even if you have no visible sores.

http://myherpes.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/how-contagious-is-herpes.html?m=1

it should be noted that as many as one in six herpes patients can transmit the disease even while it is in its dormant or asymptomatic phase

many women experience deep a vaginal blisters that they do not know are there, which means they could be in the middle of an active outbreak and not even know it

Scary shit indeed

[–]grewapair 9 points10 points  (0 children)

80% of the people who have it have never had any visible symptoms.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you've had more than 5-10 partners, you almost certainly have it, and the girls you're sleeping with do too.

[–]Flash7475 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An outbreak is a really fast way to spread it but not the only way, any transmission of fluids and you will pass it on. Genitalia (M or F) is a membrane and adsorbs easy unlike the normal skin on your body.

[–][deleted] 166 points167 points  (51 children)

I wonder what it'll take for this to dilute to the point where a rape claim means nothing. But I fear that rather it will all get to the point where you're guilty of rape by default if you have a dick.

[–]1rporion 42 points43 points  (7 children)

If Whoopi Goldberg can come out saying that Polaski´s rape was not "rape rape" you know that they know it´s BS.

[–]tio1w 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Where did she say this?

Really interested in looking into this.

[–]1rporion 10 points11 points  (4 children)

[–]ioncloud9 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Reading that article pissed me off, especially the quote about "A woman incapacitated through drink and drugs is incapable of giving consent." So the woman is also absolved from seeking consent from a drunken man? They act as if they are children. Getting drunk and not to be held responsible for anything they say or do while drunk (except if they sit behind the wheel of a car then they magically are completely responsible for their actions and being drunk is not an excuse.) But have sex? Nope.

[–]iwillnoteatgreeneggs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Goes back to the poster that was floating around: Josie is drunk, Jose is drunk. Josie can't consent, Jose is going to jail.

[–]1ErasmusOrgasmus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's a simple, albeit fucked up answer as to why this is so. In every case where some wrongdoing occurs and there is some degree of intoxication involved the system always needs someone to attach blame to. A cynic like me would go as far as to argue that society generally doesn't even care whether the person punished is actually guilty or not provided that the person who is generally perceived as most likely to be guilty is punished. It's really quite a sick attitude that whenever something bad is alleged to have occurred, even if not proven, we feel that someone must pay, hence whenever there is a high profile crime alleged to have been committed there is a sense that an injustice has occurred if no one is found guilty and punished, yet the feeling of injustice does not generally arise if someone is caught and punished despite proclaiming their innocence because people don't really care to investigate whether they really were guilty - they are simply satisfied that 'someone has paid the price for XYZ horrible thing that [allegedly] happened.'

In the typical case of drunk driving there is only really the driver who can be blamed (although western legal systems now also hold bars to account for selling alcohol to people who are obviously already smashed). It's quite straightforward because it's generally clear that the driver is the culpable party.

In cases of alleged rape who does society perceive as being most likely to be guilty? The man by default, because men are represented as violent, as criminals, as uncontrollable animals. It's why you don't hear of cases where a man is 'too drunk to consent' alleging rape against a woman. Society does not perceive women to be likely of being guilty of rape.

[–]tio1w 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you.

PS: I knew about that judge

[–]mryddlin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

On the view and it.blew up, she took a lot of flack for it.

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    [–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (4 children)

    At least this time we have the internet. Mattress girl, UVA, and so on. Maybe one day, the public might learn not to automatically believe everything. I'm very skeptical though. Not until people have their sons, brothers, and friends accused of rape will they think "maybe we shouldn't assume every claim is true."

    rape claim

    Exactly. Without evidence it is just a claim.

    [–]tigerjaws 25 points26 points  (3 children)

    Exactly this. But you know how women believe fucking EVERYTHING. 3/5 women get raped on college campuses Wage gap. any of this feminism bullshit

    [–]QQ_L2P 21 points22 points  (2 children)

    Welcome to the Women-are-Wonderful effect. I mean, nobody would lie about a rape, right?

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Yeah except that duke chick, mattress girl and just about every accusation that gets to the mainstream media without any conviction or an actual aquittal (found innocent).

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well, no reasonable person would.

    [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

    That's not a fair statement. Women were raped and beaten by their husbands back then but no one cared, and they were too scared to speak up. Now the power has flipped and a woman's word holds more weight than a man's in an accusation.

    [–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (22 children)

    Welcome to India. Any one of your wife's relative can put you and your parents in prison without bail and evidence by using just one word 'dowry'.

    To get accused of sexual harassment by a girl you only need to talk to her.

    [–]TylerDurdenRP 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    I would move out of India within days...

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      [–]Nothing_Gazes_Back 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      I'm unfamiliar with India. Mind explaining the issue?

      [–]tio1w 2 points3 points  (13 children)

      Would you recommend a westerner to visit India for say a few months. Not for sex or anything, just tourist stuff.

      Or is the danger of getting into some kind of bullshit problem like this too high?

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        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Just beware of people who will try to rip you off.

        You mean there are places where this doesn't happen?

        [–]i_forget_my_userids 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You'll be fine, just don't be an asshole.

        [–]throwawayburns 2 points3 points  (8 children)

        The only reason to visit India for a westerner, would be the Himalayas.

        Google Parvati Valley, it's in north India. That is where the village of Malana is (next to Kasol, if you've heard of it).

        In this village you get the best Tetra Hydro Cannabinol in perhaps the world,(You may have heard of Malana Cream) and it has a preexisting westerner population.

        Now i'm not advertising THC, I'm advertising Parvati Valley (Parvati is the Hindu goddess of love and fertility / wife of Shiva). When you trek through this valley, you feel the comfort of Parvati's Bosom (THC helps too)

        The rest of the country has culture, forts, palaces all designed to be 5 star resorts (and suck your money in) but you as a westerner wouldn't feel the pinch cos 1 USD is about 65 Indian Rupees (1 night in a palace hotel is about 15000 INR / 230 USD (and i mean PALACE).

        A night in a regular 4 star hotel would be about 4000 INR / 60 USD.

        10 grams of premo THC (cream) would cost you 2000 INR / 30 USD

        10 grams of Hash oil would cost you 5000 INR / 76 USD

        Keep in mind, these are whitey rates, created to suck your money but do they seem too high to you? (be honest)

        Come to India for Rajasthan too.

        It's basically a desert from where every culture in the world has invaded India (Akbar form "Allahu Akbar ....BOOOOM invaded from this desert)

        The Forts and palaces meant to defend us over millenia are now heritage hotels, palaces and resorts and you will love the hospitality.

        Don't go to south India cos a city/state is defined by the people who live there and all people living in the bottom half of the country are well.... how do i put it..... think of a redneck jew who's educated. (mumbai does not count as it's the LA of India and filled with hot looking north Indians)

        The Women: Bitches here want the D (look at our population) and will bend over backwards for some white strange. To bitches here, you are alpha cos of the color of your skin plus almost all of them have low self esteem so you can game them easy.

        Unfortunately your western femicuntism is spreading here like a zombie virus so dont stick your dick in crazy and if you feel the calm before the storm (raaaaaaaaape!!!) just pack your bags and leave on a jet plane (you don't even have to hurry, the cops here are so slow, they cant/wont catch you if you walk briskly)

        TL;DR : The point of travelling is to witness new sights and experiences and you'll never forget India.

        P.S. Dont come here to ogle at dirt poor people, it's not all we have

        [–]tio1w 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        TL;DR : The point of travelling is to witness new sights and experiences and you'll never forget India.

        Totally. I'm very into people watching. India has been on the back on my mind for a while.

        P.S. Dont come here to ogle at dirt poor people, it's not all we have

        No. I'm not into the kind of tourism where you go to a place just to realize you actually have it pretty good.

        Thanks for your answer.

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          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Seconded. There are amazing places in Northern India, but you will get harrassed the whole time, and loads of people trying to rip you off. In Southern India it was much more relaxed and people were more genuinely friendly without trying to rip you off.

          [–]throwawayburns 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          You get ripped off in North India by businessmen who take advantage of the fact that you are foriegn (i got taken advantage of by my guide at Cairo, Egypt)

          Solicitors are easy to handle.

          The hotel wont rip you off, neither will your Vehicle Driver (he works on tips).

          If you use a travel package, you'll get exactly what you paid for.

          However, in south india, the people do not try to rip you off because they don't give a fuck.

          They don't want you there in the first place

          They won't rip you off but they won't give you a good experience either.

          Goa is amazing during tourist season, i love it, that's why it's an attraction.

          But try going to Goa during off season, The seasonal money hungry hosts are feeding elsewhere and you have to deal with the locals. Which is a real task especially when you're chilling and the liquor vendor is giving you attitude for no reason.

          [–]throwawayburns 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          I was waiting for some butthurt poster.

          No, i am not a troll.

          True, there are more rapes in north india but check any statistic most alcohoic wife beaters are in tamil nadu (south India).

          And if a New York City party whore wants to behave like one in New Delhi in front of uber car drivers and rickshaw pullers then her actions might have consequences.

          But i digress.

          I did not say that south india does not have tourist spots i stated that a city/state is defined by the people who live there, which is a reflection of their hospitality.

          Do you want smiley faces catering to your every whim (since you paid for it) or an old fart telling you to get your own damn napkins.

          I called them redneck because they are very narrow minded and purist (casteist)

          I called them jew because they are money grubbing dicks

          I called them educated because well... they are. South indians give prime importance to education which is actually a compliment but user u/whatshisname took it as an insult.

          I'm sure he's educated too.

          Case in point.

          Fact is you called me a retard and a troll because you disagreed with my opinion instead of engaging in healthy debate.

          Nuff Said

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            [–]throwawayburns 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Are you a woman?

            Cos you're kinda giving that vibe

            (Sorry guys first and last troll post, I just couldn't resist)

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              [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              All those stories you hear are more or less limited to the uneducated villages. The urban scene is completely different.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorHarleyWalker 10 points11 points  (2 children)

              And then rape will mean nothing and we may truly end up with a rape culture perpetuated and caused by the people "fighting it". But who are we kidding, these people aren't scared of rape or being a victim, they are afraid of not being a victim.

              [–]Rathadin 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              No, they are afraid of losing what they've gained, which is the ability to do whatever they want, whenever they want, and not be held accountable.

              This was only a problem when her friends slut shamed her into thinking she was the skank who fucks in bar bathrooms... then it was rape. Before that it was just sucking a cute bartender's cock and taking a load of cum down the hatch.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

              Bitches sure do love their protein shakes straight from the salami don't they?

              [–]HoundDogs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              This is already what's happening at universities. Guilty until proven innocent.

              [–]sjn2203 2 points3 points  (7 children)

              Is it actually illegal to make a false rape claim?

              [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (6 children)

              AFAIK it's just as illegal as any false claim about a crime, and a court will decide about it in the end; but from what I read off an on about rape cases the most common policy seems to be "no harm done" when a woman makes a rape claim and it turns out to be false. Except that the damage to the man has already been done, he's already been slewn through the court and whatnot.

              [–]Ojisan1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              It's exceedingly difficult to prove that an allegation was false, to the standard of being beyond reasonable doubt which is required to convict the woman of making a false claim.

              Even in OPs post, the article linked has all this evidence that everything was likely consensual, and yet it still says "but we don't really know that she wasn't raped in that bathroom."

              Just because she can't prove he raped her, and just because the evidence points to that being unlikely, doesn't mean you can prove she made a false accusation.

              [–]maadkekz 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Rape claims can ruin a man's life, never mind any actual sort of conviction. You see it all the time; men lose their jobs, are stigmatised by society, cut off by friends and family...I could go on. Some poor bastards end up committing suicide. It's a big weight around a man's neck that is never removed, they take it to the grave: "Mike the Rapist"

              It's symptom of the matriarchy that we live in today that licentious women in the West are able to pull this sort of shit. Thank fuck this bar had cameras to save this guy's ass.

              [–]newls 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              When Ched Evans (UK footballer) was accused of rape by that girl the entire media and dozens of celebrities completely destroyed his reputation and image.

              No-one seemed to care that there was no fucking hard evidence whatsoever apart from the word of the girl, who had previously made several false rape accusations.

              [–]maadkekz 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Exactly, an entire football career ruined all based on what? Spurious testimony of some dumb bitch who drinks too much but doesn't want to admit it.

              Being a pro footballer I imagine she had £££ in her eyes as well...gotta get dat money somehow. Ched stuck his dick in crazy and has paid the price.

              [–]newls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Credit to his partner though who's stayed with him throughout the whole thing.

              [–]Turn_Coat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              ... Actually I think the reverse is occurring, she can complain all she wants, but the case will never go to trial, and if it does, the jury won't convict.

              So i think that these false accusations are going to lead to no one taking rape seriously in the near future.

              [–]tio1w 61 points62 points  (5 children)

              Ellet was outraged after the video was released because she claims it was 'heavily edited' and the bar was 'victim blaming her'.

              Reality is misogynistic and raped her right here.

              [–]adamryanx 67 points68 points  (3 children)

              That video can only show what happened, not how I feel about what happened.

              [–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 20 points21 points  (1 child)

              That video can only show what happened, not how I feel about what happened.

              Entirely this. She even uses the word feelings in her comments.

              "And then I said no and I remember feeling trapped and I remember feeling like I was being held against my will, and then I don't remember anything after that."

              [–]ioncloud9 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              of course it was edited. It was multiple camera angles with different time stamps. What does she expect it to be? 4 hours of raw footage from 12 different cameras?

              [–]flyers156 29 points30 points  (1 child)

              Rape, the original backspace key.

              [–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 14 points15 points  (0 children)

              Awesome way to keep the partner count down.

              [–]changshuaidiao 24 points25 points  (2 children)

              Shift around the pronouns a little and it becomes quite clear that she's just a psycho with a bigoted political agenda.

              "Every White person I know in my life has been a victim of violence, sexual or otherwise, at the hands of Blacks, I feel compelled to say, this isn't right."

              Very "To Kill A Mockingbird" when you read it like that.

              [–]tigerjaws 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              BLM

              "Every Black person I know in my life has been a victim of violence, sexual or otherwise, at the hands of Whites, I feel compelled to say this isn't right."

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Every person I know has been a victim of violence, space-alien or otherwise.

              Not even sarcasm, this is 100% true. It's just a meaningless vapid statement.

              [–]RedDeadlift 48 points49 points  (4 children)

              From the dailydot: http://www.dailydot.com/crime/happy-ending-bar-rape-accusation-pepper-ellett/

              Ellett also told Gothamist that one of the police officers who questioned her insinuated that she was a party girl and told her that "regrettable sex is not the same as rape." A bar rep told the New York Post that “The CCTV tapes show clearly that the alleged victim was seen kissing at the bar with the employee and was seen entering the bathroom of her own free will. It shows a 90 percent chance it was consensual behavior.”

              At least some cops and bars are realizing how ridiculous some of these claims are. With how many of these "victim" claims make to the the news, I'm sure the police are hearing about an order of magnitude more.

              [–]cocaineseats 30 points31 points  (0 children)

              Here's the problem though.

              Before I saw this link posted in the thread, I Googled Pepper Ellett and this was the only link that came up with the new information. Furthermore, read that article -- it's written as though, EVEN WITH the video evidence, the article still refuses to address the part where she gave an account ENTIRELY different from what the video showed. All Dailydot says is "well, the video doesn't necessarily mean she's a liar, because it was edited, and you can't hear what they're saying" -- aka, we're STILL giving her the benefit of the doubt.

              This isn't a big win. It looks like anyone at the bar associated with this was fired. The cops are still excoriated in the press for making the correct assumption that she was a whore who regretted what she did.

              This is still a redpill rage story, but the moral is, there is no happy ending. Even with fucking video evidence, Feminazis and SJWs will still find a way to hamster out of what their eyes are showing them.

              [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 9 points10 points  (0 children)

              I also suspect they knew she was full of shit and telling her that was their way of giving her an "out" so she didn't did a bigger hole for herself.

              [–]jcrpta 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              With how many of these "victim" claims make to the the news, I'm sure the police are hearing about an order of magnitude more.

              I'm absolutely certain of it. It would explain perfectly why the feminist media bangs on about how women are frequently not believed when they make rape allegations.

              I wonder how many men are walking around totally unaware that their life has been saved by a savvy police officer who took a girls' statement and was mentally filing it in the bin before she'd even finished speaking?

              [–]magus678 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              As much sympathy I have for the falsely accused, we shouldn't approve of "filing it in the bin."

              We don't have to subvert the process to win, we just have to insist on actual evidence and accountability to take someone's freedom away.

              We don't buck the system, we simply hold it accountable to itself.

              [–][deleted] 118 points119 points  (9 children)

              I fucking hate feminists. The "rape epidemic" is caused by whores being whores, not caused by anything that men do. Women need to realize that they spent 100 years asking for this shit and then stop punishing it. Rape is no longer a man invading a woman's bodily integrity, it's a woman acting against her own sexuality. He just happened to be there. Had he not been there to fuck her on the bathroom floor, she probably would've gone in there to finger herself and then post on twox about how the patriarchy made her do it.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              "rape epidemic"? More like regret epidemic.

              [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              I laughed. So funny, so bitter, so true.

              [–]tigerjaws 6 points7 points  (2 children)

              finger herself on the floor LOL I don't think it's a woman acting against her own sexuality, but rather I think it's women acting against their own standards (probably because they're all whores or because they're drunk ty feminsim) and then regretting and feeling bad because they realize they're the sluts they always shamed others for being Therefore they can't accept responsibility for their own actions and they "CANT" be sluts so it was 'definitely rape, he definitely raped me' fucking scary times my man

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              This "CAN'T"... god, how often have I seen it and facedicked (dickpalmed?) with my just newly shriveled-up dick from the sheer power that the "CAN'T" gives them. Always remember, AWALT.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              The interesting thing to me was this bit:

              Despite this, police who interviewed her suggested that the sex was consensual, with one officer telling her, "Maybe you're a party girl. You know regrettable sex is not the same as rape."

              There are two possibilities.

              1) a policeman did say that, so they are catching on about the regret-rape thing, in spite of feminists constantly pushing the police to 'just believe' rape 'victims' because they never lie about such a thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbb03SnhHOM

              2) She made that up too, in which case women themselves are coming to realize that many in society are on to this little game.

              We say that TRP is not a 'movement' and that is correct, but you can't stop red pill truths and attitudes leaking out into society.

              [–]Turn_Coat -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

              I really hope that you get linked to or something, I think this is a fantastic paragraph that bears repeating.

              [–]1raceAround126 71 points72 points  (11 children)

              I was a bouncer for a couple of years on the London circuit. So, for what it's worth, date rape drugs and the reality of it.

              Firstly, the effects of GHB are widely regarded as being a magical odourless tasteless drug which renders hot girls incapable of not ripping their clothes off or allowing them to be ripped off and having no memories at all of the event. The standard idea of an evil fat dude with bad tattoos has long since transcended into it potentially being the weapon of choice by every man a woman is ever likely to encounter. Yes, even your own local greengrocer and candle-stick maker.

              The fact is, in the two years I was bouncing I only ever came across it two or three times. The initial thing that struck me about GHB was that when added to almost any alcoholic drink, it had a weird purple hue to it. Secondly it made almost every single alcoholic drink taste like absolute shit. Like someone had drank a few gallons of vinegar and pissed in my drink. Third, I had near half a pint of lager with GHB in it. At no point at all did I feel extra drunk, unconscious and my recollection from the experience was totally cogent.

              The reality is if you can't tell your drink has been "spiked" then you're either way past being drunk in the first place in which case GHB is absolutely pointless, or you simply haven't been spiked. It's that simple.

              Added to that, even in the late 90s, GHB was impossible to get hold of. Most of the sex shops in London that used to sell it stopped simply because the cops would raid them and shut them down immediately if they found any. Bear in mind, GHB was originally a legal recreational drug. Not that I agree personally with any drug use, this did used to be legally sold in sex shops!

              As for my own encounters, I only ever found it once on a guy entering a club night. The dude damn near crapped his pants just sitting in the office while the cops came for him. Hell, it was either that or turn him loose and let a couple of the steroid monkeys loose on him in the alley behind the club (yes that did happen... not much you can do in that situation).

              The only other two times we were suspicious of GHB use were both at gay themed nights. And the typical hallmarks were there, such as green fluff in vomit, involuntary movements while they had passed out, etc. I never once saw a single girl I suspected of having being spiked.

              Of course, the club had several reports of girls being spiked. And all of them were taken seriously. Though that gets real difficult to take seriously when every single complaint bar none was pretty much rejected after reviewing the camera footage to find she'd been drinking like a fucking fish wife courtesy of any guy who would buy her a round. It was just standard expectation that that was what we would find.

              The fact is, GHB was difficult as fuck to get hold of in the late 90s and really not even that heavily used. Every person coming into a club that my crew was running would be patted down, ergo the only time we ever found it was on Captain Pissyourpants.

              It's 2015. I would be flat out gob-smacked if anyone could go out in London and track down a single bottle of the stuff. I would be further surprised still if it actually worked.

              When I hear some story of a "girl being spiked" I immediately call bullshit. And I doubt I'm wrong. If ever.

              [–]RemyPrice 12 points13 points  (3 children)

              In the US, GHB was easy to get until 2000.

              Not any to be found since then. You're spot on.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Ghb is easy to get on the darknet markets. Awesome drug for recreational use with a S/O

              [–]1raceAround126 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Really? The only thing I ever found on Tor were cat facts. Equally awesome for use with an S/O.

              [–]tigerjaws 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Thanks for the insight man

              [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              See also:

              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6440589/Date-rape-drink-spiking-an-urban-legend.html

              tl;dr - Drink spiking happens so infrequently it's functionally 0% of suspected cases. In reality people just drank too much.

              [–]BallisticTherapy 0 points1 point  (4 children)

              If you really want to control someone, you hit them with burundanga, aka. "Devil's Breath". Better known as scopalomine.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

              [–]1raceAround126 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              I'd bet a few quid that if you actively went out looking for Scopalomine, all you would get is a whole bunch of blank expressions.

              [–]BallisticTherapy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              You'd have to do some travel to get your hands on it most likely, but if you're willing to go to such lengths to get a hold of it, then you probably won't have many qualms about using it in a manner that justifies the cost of acquisition.

              [–]1raceAround126 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Sounds like an awful lot of effort. My thoughts are that if girls were getting spiked at the rate that the media / feminism / reddit / urban legends would have you believe, it would be far more "available" just like weed is pretty available.

              [–]BallisticTherapy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              It's only a thing in South America for the most part. I've only heard of isolated incidents bordering on urban legends about people in the U.S. or any other western nation having it used on them.

              [–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (4 children)

              10/4 women are raped before they are born, didn't you guys know?

              [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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                [–]RemyPrice 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                5 out of 4 people have trouble with fractions.

                [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                78% of percentages are made up on the spot.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                10/4 women are raped before they are born, didn't you guys know?

                Figures are even more shocking for the afterlife. Go figure.

                [–]CastratedBetaOrbiter 53 points54 points  (1 child)

                Without the video, the police officer would have been fired and hung up on the Huffington Post as "typical evil police behavior."

                The employee would be in prison getting his teeth kicked in and assraped at Rikers.

                It's no wonder most rational men now just roll their eyes when they hear "party girl gets raped at x frat/house party." Too many of these false rape cases.

                The real victims are the real rape victims. False rape cases desensitizes us and we start to not believe real rape victims.

                [–]cariboo_j 23 points24 points  (0 children)

                The real victims are the real rape victims.

                Well, them and the falsely accused who go to Rikers and get their teeth kicked in and assraped.

                [–]verifytoi 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                I hope she will goes in jail for 6 years.

                [–]tigerjaws 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                yeah right

                [–]mrmeyhemn 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                my guess is he didn't call her the next day so "RAAAAPE!"

                that or he forgot to pay her.

                [–]IronMeltsinmyHands 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                Most likely her jealous friends talked her into it. If she didn't fly with their plan she would've been called a slut by her friends. And women need friends like a fish don't need a bike.

                [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                I wonder what percentage of rape allegations are true, after reading stuff like this.

                So many men are exonerated when there is video proof of what happened. What about the rest when there isn't?

                [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                Some of the hamstering going in the comments of that video are mind blowing.

                Apparently once a woman has consumed alchohol she can freely call any man that sleeps with her a rapist.

                [–]axis77x 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                It was the mod's idea too. Man, I hate it when mods censor unpopular opinion. I've never seen a man-forum mod censoring any comments; except for spam.

                [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                Of course her friend she's with who she ditched for 30 minutes while she hooked up with the guy is a grenade cock block mother hen who probably gave her the 3rd degree for leaving her like that.

                [–]1favours_of_the_moon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                This guy is really lucky this bar had cameras. If not, it would've been one deranged woman's words against his.

                Apparently it still IS.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                [–]CalvinHobb3s 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Well, guess it's time men today start protecting themselves with bodycams just as diligently as with condoms.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                The article goes on to say the employee in question was fired that night.

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Can somebody please charge this woman and send her to jail.

                WTF?

                [–]maadkekz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                Sluts be sluttin' around.

                This is just a case of a woman having her "awakening" & realising she's a dirty little whore. Classic cognitive dissonance..."but I'm a good girl, I wouldn't do that!...It must be rape"

                Bitch can't handle the fact that what she thinks she is contrasts with what she really is.

                [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                Oh good. Now that she's been outed as a dirty lying slut, she's going to start to get 'internet harassment' and that internet harassment is going to be indicative of rape culture, and how society disregards women's experiences, and is predispositioned towards violence against women, and then a gofundme can be started for her, and she can get a half million dollars. You don't know what happened in that bathroom...she was confused!

                [–]illmatic708 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                The video does create a ton of context

                [–]Coffeeisforclosers_ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                She should get 30 years in jail

                [–]1CowardlyPetrov 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                2-5 years is enough. People act like prison sentences are fucking time outs. A year in prison is going to fuck a normal person up.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                CCTV Culture strikes again.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                And it should go without saying that dancing with someone is not a license for sexual assault, nor is occupying a bathroom with someone.

                Dancing with someone, totally agree, but seriously? These retards don't think occupying a bathroom with someone qualifies as consent at least 99% of the time?

                [–]quelques_heures 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                SJWs and Feminists are just brainwashed dogmatists that can't deal with reason and logic. It's all about feels.

                What baffles me is how sheltered and gullible these people are and willing to defend every single rape claim made by a woman, to the extent that we should toss out core constitutional principals like evidence and innocent until proven guilty whenever a woman makes a rape accusation.

                Which would be fine if women never made-up rape allegations, yet what we see is, time after time, women are willing to lie (almost like they have a right to lie) about being raped, or having uncomfortable, but consensual, sexual encounters and calling it rape, or like this girl who walks into a bathroom with some guy willingly, but is too shit-face drunk to remember what happened (or so she claims), and then after the fact (the next day) her girlfriends make her call the cops.

                And it's so obvious she's just a butthurt feminist too,

                "to imply that kissing equals consent is a deeply problematic perpetuation of the heavy, crippling, monstrous cloud of shame and guilt that ignorant and selfish men in power continue to place on victims of violence."

                Typical women's studies BS. When in reality what happened was she got the tingles for some guy at a bar but her hamster won't let her admit it.

                [–]drnick316 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I find it sickening that someone would lie about something like that. Sad thing is the woman can lie all she wants, I highly doubt she'll be charged with anything.

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                [–]fickle_fuck 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Great video and an interesting perspective!

                [–]CSMastermind 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Okay so why isn't this chick in jail for filing a false report?

                [–]1CowardlyPetrov 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                God bless cameras for not lying and the management for standing behind their employee.

                [–]Tarnsman4Life 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                This woman should be in jail for filing a false police report. It is clear her version of events had no resemblance to reality. She got caught in the act of being a slut and made up a story to protect her reputation. Start lucking these sluts up when they make false claims and watch the number of "reported" rapes drop.

                [–]SW9876 -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

                Is this really red pill material? Stuff like this belongs in r/mensrights, not here.

                [–]TerryYockey 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                You would know, because I am guessing you are an honored ambassador from that sub.

                [–]SW9876 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                At best this is tangentially related to red pill theory. This is literally nothing more than someone describing a false rape claim.