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Red Pill TheoryStop trying to prove to women that you're a "good guy" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorWoujo

Many guys have the following mentality, even if only subconsciously: I am not the richest, most successful, attractive, "alpha" guy, but I will get girls to like me by proving to them that I am a "good" guy, who is reliable, caring, trustworthy, and most of all, doesn't want to just use them for sex. After the big mean alpha males fuck them and dump them and hurt their feelings, the woman will realize how good of a guy I am and then come back and realize that I am overall better option.

STOP THINKING LIKE THIS.

First of all, you are not a good guy. You, like all men, are a fucking creep. Your daddy was a creep, your granddaddy was a creep, his daddy was a creep, the President of the United States is a creep, and the list goes on. Stop lying. Men evolved to be predatory animals that want to fuck every single attractive woman they see and then move on to the next one. God put a cannon in our pants that does not understand logic or reason, wants to shoot every hot girl it sees in the pussy, will gladly ruin your life to get what it wants, and has no off switch. There are no "good guys" - there are just men that do a better job at controlling, repressing and directing their insane sexual urges than other men.

Also, you don’t want to commit to this girl. You don’t want to be nice to her. You are just telling yourself that because you think she is too good for you so you would stick to the best you can get. You should never decide to commit to a girl until she’s proven that she will commit to you, that she is worth committing to, and that she makes you happy. And you should make this clear to girls. If they ever say "what are we" say "I don't know! I just met you. So far so good, but you still might fuck it up."

And here's the thing: even if you really were a "good guy," no woman would believe it. Women must assume all men are creeps to protect themselves. A man trying to be a “good guy” is like a lion promising he will not eat you. You may nod and say “ok”, but in your heart you know he is still a fucking lion and his promises and acting are not worth shit. Women encourage guys to be “good guys” not because they really believe such a thing exists, but because if you had to be around a lion, you would try to get it to promise to not eat you, as unreliable as you know that promise is. Women don’t want a lion that says “I don’t eat people” but rather a lion that says “yes, I like to eat people. But I only eat people that want to be eaten and on my own schedule. Plus I have a lot of other people I could eat, so you don’t even need to worry.”

Every attractive woman in our society has seen men do insanely creepy shit to try to fuck her. Many of the worse creeps are self-proclaimed “good guys” that pretend they aren’t sexually interested for a long time and then suddenly one day make a creepy, awkward move proving that their entire relationship was a lie. Part of the reason feminists act like all men are creeps is because the beta “nice guys” they surround themselves are often the creepiest dudes out. Nothing you can do can prove to her that you are "different." I do stand up comedy and I have a joke where I say “men are way creepier than women realize” and almost every time women in the crowd yell out “we know!!” Think about the creepiest thing you've ever done. Now think about the fact that in the grand scheme of things, there are guys that do way creepier shit on a regular basis. Now think about the fact that the average woman has seen this creepy shit, so her opinion of guys is way, way, lower than yours.

What to do

Women kind of fear men, but that fear is mixed in with desire and fascination, which is partly why women act so strange when they are being gamed. To reduce this fear, the answer is not to try to convince women that you are some eunuch not interested in sex, but rather that you are self-aware of your sexuality, that you know how to control it, that you are sensitive to her feelings and concerns, and that YOU HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. By presenting yourself as confident and "in control" of your sexuality, she can feel comfortable around you and let herself relax and become attracted to you, which is essentially what women want.

To talk sexually to a woman you must speak matter of factly, as if you were Donald Trump interviewing a government official for a job in his administration. In romantic comedies and R & B songs, when the man gets sexual it’s a big event where his tone changes, he suddenly gets very serious, music starts playing, etc… In the real world, that’s a surefire way to creep girls out. In the real world, you should just talk like with no emotion in your voice, as if you are just giving her information. You would be amazed at how much responsive women are to sex talk if it is done matter of factly and with no emotion. Of course, you can add emotion later – but only after she is emotionally invested in you.

The easiest, slam-dunk way to ease women’s fear of your insane sexuality is by showing her you have other options. A guy who has a bunch of women around him that want to fuck him is “safer” to a woman because if the cannon in his pants wants to fire, he MIGHT choose somebody other than her. Also, a woman knows you have other options, she will realize that you are not just talking to her because you want her sex, but because you actually like her.

Women are not creeped out by a guy expressing his sexuality or even saying that he wants to fuck them, even if the guy is ugly. A guy becomes creepy when is emotionally overinvested in a girl – i.e, he makes clear that he is fixated on her, has no other thoughts or emotions in his head, has no other girls that want to fuck him, and will not stop until he gets laid. For obvious reasons, that guy is terrifying to women. He is an annoying pest that provides nothing of value and could morph into a rapist if he is not immediately rejected. Unfortunately, that’s how most men become around women. Women know that guys want to fuck – women want to fuck too! A guy only becomes a problem to the woman if he starts getting in her space and time. If you “step back” both physically and emotionally, and let her become emotionally invested in you first, she won’t feel creeped out. What matters is not what you say so much as how you say it. Are you saying matter of factly that you like to fuck, or are you doing in an uncomfortable, aggressive way?

You know what else is creepy? Lying and being manipulative. If you walk up to a girl at a bar and pretend you like her jacket she will immediately know you are full of shit. You want to fuck and she knows that and even if you were the 1% of weirdos that actually wanted to talk about her jacket she would still assume that you were a creep that wanted to fuck. Nobody likes being lied to or manipulated. I was a nerd in middle school and all the kids wanted to copy my math homework. That got annoying, but I would still rather have them say “hey can I copy your math homework” than pretend they actually liked me when I knew all they wanted was math homework.

If you express your sexuality to a woman in a confident, un-emotional way, making clear that you are not going to be overbearing, overly fixated, or weird, women will respect it. In fact, saying something overtly sexual early in the conversation oftentimes creates a deeper connection and breaks a weird awkwardness that most male-female interactions are infused with. First, it shows that you are not lying to her or trying to manipulate her. Second, it shows that while sex is on your mind, there is other stuff on your mind too so you are not going to be a mindless zombie. If a guy walks up to a girl at a bar and says “OMG I love this song!” the girl will think “this guy doesn’t give a fuck about this song, he just wants to fuck me and is using this song as a pretext to talk to me.” But if the guy says something sexual and later says “I love this song” the girl thinks that you actually love the song. Now you guys can emotionally connect on every level because she knows you are being authentic.

A good way to introduce sex into a conversation is by making what I call a “fuck sandwich.” I’ll say something non-sex related, then I will say I want to fuck, and then I will go back to something nonsexual. For example, I’ll be watching a DJ with a girl and I will say “Could you imagine how awesome it would be to be a DJ? Touring the world, fucking tons of girls, and making tons of money for doing nothing?” If you weren’t thinking about it you may not have noticed I said something sexual. Once the woman has become emotionally invested in me, I will make her the target of my fuck sandwich. I might say “Hey, you are really fun to hang out with, and I’m not just saying that because I want to fuck you, you’re also pretty funny.” With a fuck sandwich, I’ve communicated my desire to fuck but I’ve also made her feel comfortable that I am not a crazed animal who only wants sex. Also, this way my statement that I want to fuck doesn’t hang in the air and create some weird awkwardness and get to her weird thoughts and insecurities.

I also put conditions on my desire to fuck so she doesn’t feel like she’s on a track with a runaway train coming at her. If she says like “do you want to fuck me” I will say something like “probably, if you don’t mess this up.” I also leave open the possibility that she could do something to ruin it so she doesn’t feel “trapped” or that I am a desperate pushover.

Creepshaming

What if you say (or do) something sexual and the girl tries to shame you for it? Any time time a woman tries to shame you or make you apologize for something, you must ask yourself “did I actually do anything wrong”?

If yes, give her one genuine apology and that’s it. If she continues to try to shame you or bring it up, tell her to knock it off or walk away.

If no, then she’s bluffing. Laugh and I say “I regret nothing!” Look at her body language and demeanor rather than her words. If she still shows interest (or even if she is just still there) that means she is interested, even if she is saying shame-y things. Your actions don’t necessarily matter – what matters is how she feels. And I can just tell you that saying sexual shit doesn’t make women feel bad. They only feel bad when you become a threat or a pest.

If I was just more attractive

Another subconscious mindset that men sometimes have is “I would love to be sexual, but I’m not attractive enough. Hot girls only want good-looking, alpha guys to be sexual, not schlubs like me.” This is also a terrible mindset. If a woman doesn’t find you attractive, beating around the bush and pretending like you have no sexuality isn’t going to want to make her want to fuck you. Whether or not she is attracted to you, you still must be sexual. She is an adult and can tell you “no” so if she is not interested or just leave. Women know that ugly guys want to fuck too.

I feel weird being sexual

Many guys can’t be sexual because they have been trained by society and women to feel weird. They just can’t imagine those words coming out of their mouth, especially when casually hanging out with people. The solution is to not direct that sexuality at any women. Just say it like you are expressing a preference for anything else: “I like vanilla cake and chocolate pussy.” Obviously be appropriate and don’t say that shit on the microphone at a funeral or a bar mitzvah, and use your emotional intelligence.

Also, the whole concept of “awkwardness” is misunderstood. A situation is only “awkward” if you let it be awkward. I would define “awkward” as a “situation where there are no clear guidelines to follow or leader to listen to.” If somebody takes the leadership position and declares that the situation is no longer awkward, then it’s not awkward. If somebody wants to continue to pretend it’s awkward, that’s their problem, not yours. If a guy whips his dick out at a funeral, it is only “awkward” if nobody takes the lead in removing him. If the guy is immediately removed, no more awkwardness.

Women don’t want a “good guy”

The last reason to not be a good guy is that women don’t want a good guy. Women want a sexual, confident guy that gets what he wants, and also a rebel that acts unconstrained by society’s rules. Similar to Freud, I sometimes think that women are jealous of men having dicks. Dicks have power – you set the agenda, you push the interaction, and sex doesn’t happen unless you make it happen. If the only time you could ever sex is if somebody approached you, called you, and escalated, you would probably get annoyed and want to be the aggressor.

Women are fascinated by men because men have the aggressive, confident, dominant male sexual energy that women don’t have. This aggressiveness scares women, but they also like it if it directed correctly. They also want it when they want it, not necessarily when the man wants to give it to them, which is why you need to read women and make sure you escalate when they are emotionally invested. I love Oreo cheesecake, but if you came to my house right now and tried to force feed me Oreo cheesecake we’d have a problem.

Part of women wishes they could vicariously be a man and fuck lots of girls, degrade them, call them bitches, etc… Women sometimes shame men that fuck lots of girls, but the man in their head they are shaming is a weak, insecure dork who will fuck anything with a vagina. But on a biological level, women admire a man that enjoys his life, apologizes for nothing, does what he wants, feels no shame, and slays lots of girls.

Finally, considering that men scare women with their aggressive sexuality, the solution for the woman isn’t to find a man who has turned his sexuality off, but rather the baddest, scariest guy possible that can protect her from all the other bad, scary guys. Have you noticed that when a woman is grossed out by you she goes cold in a way a man never could? This is biological. Women evolved to stick to their alpha male protector with all their heart and mind and to shun outside males as if they are the enemy because in the jungle, outside males ARE the enemy. That’s why if your girl starts cozying up to other guys, it’s over – she sees those guys as her protector, not you.

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[–]murvish45 186 points187 points  (29 children)

Men are chemically castrated from day one "creeping" is evolutionary successful behaviour. Anyone who hates on it is full of soy products and self loathing

[–]redpillthrowaway112 64 points65 points  (0 children)

lmfao the soy comment. Funniest shit I read all day.

[–]Fitness---thing 30 points31 points  (14 children)

Bruh. Soy has less potent hormones than dairy or meat, I eat soy, quit saying that shit. People will think I'm gonna sprout titties. People ALREADY think I'm gonna sprout titties or cry because I'm too cold or something. /halfsrs

Edit: I'm gonna put this here, don't get triggered, https://youtu.be/5_UdM0RedwI

[–]Ohdangwaddup 13 points14 points  (10 children)

I'm vegan and soy is about 80% of my protein. I think the only thing that matters about turning into a huge, manly guy is eating more than 3k calories, which is hard without meat or dairy. Probably why vegans are so skinny.

[–]Mckallidon 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Not true. Many vegans don't eat properly. They usually eat too many grains and legumes and are all starched up. Many have hormonal problems from It. I know a vegan bodybuilder. Yuge. Eats no soy at all. Eats 4 avocados a day. A moderate amount of nuts and seeds. Swears by tahini as muscle food.

[–]AnjaJutta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sesame seeds also have phytoestrogens. I don't know if they are less potent than soy though.

[–]Fitness---thing 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"It is intriguing to consider how phytoestrogens may exert their effects especially since the measured parameters are hormonally sensitive. (I) Phytoestrogens may disrupt the in situ conversion of testosterone to estradiol via aromatase in brain. This possibility is unlikely since no significant differences were observed in brain aromatase enzymatic activity of either Sprague –Dawley or Long –Evans males or Sprague –Dawley females fed a Phyto-rich diet during perinatal development or in adults [71,72,120,121] (see Section 2.3). (II) Phytoestrogens may alter aromatase activ- ity in the periphery (gonads) and thus alter circulating steroid hormone levels. In males, this possibility has been addressed but is not supported from our studies since circulating serum testosterone or estradiol levels were not altered by the diet treatments in Long –Evans rats [78]"

It is this (II) part I'm interested in showing you.

(I'm on mobile so it's easier to just drop a title in here and you can Google it, it is not behind a paywall.) Neurobehavioral effects of dietary soy phytoestrogens Edwin D. Lepharta,*, Timothy W. Westa, K. Scott Webera, Reuben W. Rheesa, Kenneth D.R. Setchellb, Herman Adlercreutzc, Trent D. Lunda

Edit: quotation marks

[–]Mckallidon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Did not read that hot mess lol. Reading that on mobile is worst than writing it lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you know a yuge vegan BBer means a guy who injects and swallows a lot of products which will make him big no matter what the hell he chooses his diet to be (as long as calories are high enough)

*unless we have different definitions of Yuge

[–]Smefik 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's not that hard. I dont eat meat and dairy products starter lifting 4 months ago. Back then I was 64kilos now I'm 76! And soy protein I use it's like 20% of my diet

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have nothing against vegans but 80% seems a bit high, and 3k seems a bit low. More power to you if you get good results tho

[–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're a vegan? Hello, prey.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Admitting to being a vegan is admitting that you are a massive vagina.

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    [–]3whatsthisgarg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    There's a reason Asian guys love coffee and cigarettes so fucking much.

    I used to live with this Cambodian guy who continued to smoke while he was brushing his teeth. Hardcore.

    [–]clearheadeddd 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    What does coffee and cigarettes have to do with anything?

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      [–]_arch_lion_daemo_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I love both and I cannot fathom the connection really. Maybe to relieve stress? Coffee and cigarettes are what gets me thought med school atm

      [–]juggernaut8 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      Yup soy is toxic. It won't kill you but that shit isn't good long term. The ancients knew this, that's why it's always fermented in some way in Asia, the fermentation process nullifies or significantly reduces the toxicity.

      There's a reason Asian guys love coffee and cigarettes so fucking much.

      Huh what? People everywhere like coffee and cigarettes is more of a cultural, class thing. Younger, richer Asians tend to not smoke.

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        [–]juggernaut8 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Source: from the motherland, motherfucker. I rep my peoples. Fuck you.

        The fuck? What's with the hostility? Like I said people drink coffee everywhere.

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          [–]juggernaut8 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Lol you're so angry over nothing, you're clearly overcompensating for being a lifelong beta. Eh whatever motherfucker.

          [–]3whatsthisgarg 87 points88 points  (18 children)

          This whole post is completely true; my favorite part:

          Men evolved to be predatory animals that want to fuck every single attractive woman they see and then move on to the next one.

          And what you didn't say is: women evolved to be prey animals that want to get fucked by (a certain select group of) men.

          I look at every halfway decent-looking woman in a certain age range like they are a target, and I get good responses. In fact, on many memorable occasions, I have stared at a woman's crotch (I love jeans, and now they're all wearing yoga pants) and then raised my eyes to find her meeting my lingering glance. They don't look exactly joyous, but it's not a negative look.

          You look like you want to eat me. I've heard this many times.

          [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (7 children)

          We evolved to spread our seed, yes, because it's the impetus of all living things to propagate life. I can't believe this ever strikes people as surprising.

          Did you know also that pre-historically 80% of human females reproduced whilst only 40% of human males did? Conclusion: women were happy to share a top tier sausage rather than settle for Bobby, Billy and Barry Beta.

          [–]MisfitMind00 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          Modern day culture is all about hiding our true animal nature. Feminist education tells you that you should not be sexual, masculine or dominant. Thus, a Beta Ray Billy is born.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Culture is a tricky word.

          I know you mean it in the "societal indoctrination" sense and I agree to a point but I think people have a healthy suspicion of whatever their governments tell them and so the bigger problem is by far with the media and advertising that panders to feminists, because that's part of day to day life and you end up internalising it without even knowing.

          [–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Got a source for that? Interesting.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          http://lesswrong.com/lw/h4e/differential_reproduction_for_men_and_women/

          This isn't where I got it from originally but a quick Google search threw it up. I believe it was an actual university study that yielded the initial results.

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            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            I'm not sure of your sources and I hate to take a comment at face value and run an argument straight into the end zone, so I'll just say this:

            I think women use birth control because they want to have sexual relationships without having children, they want to put off having kids until they've either had their fun, built their careers or found "the one". I don't think it's anything to do with stamping out the Alpha seed, as you say.

            As for the booming population of the under-class - I'm poor and I grew up poor, but IQ's and intelligence aren't fixed quantities and aren't strictly tied to household income.

            Natural selection has been eroded by the welfare state. Perhaps it's a good thing, perhaps it's not. It's too big of an issue for a TRP comment thread.

            [–]GoingTheHardWay 6 points7 points  (3 children)

            And what you didn't say is: women evolved to be prey animals that want to get fucked by (a certain select group of) men.

            from an anthropological perspective, the kind of men they don't want to fuck them should either be dead or have extremely limited access to them in the first place.

            It might be overly simplified, but the more I read here, the more analogous things get to cave man / hunter gatherer culture. I find it entertaining and insightful to compare most interactions with women with what a cave man / tribal culture would do.

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Evolutionary Biology is our friend.

            [–]Oz70NYC 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            After hundreds of thousands of years, it still boils down to the most primal basis. Women are attracted on a primordial level to the strongest male specimen. But as far as our species goes, physical strength doesn't inherently make that you. Which is why lifting, smelling good, stoicism and holding frame are such key aspects to establishing high SMV. Those of us who know that and harness it are the ones who get our desired results.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Dead? Why not just use them as workers? If the beta's going to give her resources and convenience just for a shot at holding her attention for a second, why would she want them dead? Capitalize. Get the other betas to chase him off if he creeps. Manage your market and you get what you want.

            [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 4 points5 points  (4 children)

            You look like you want to eat me. I've heard this many times.

            And "you scare me." That one too. Usually prey runs when they want to live toots. You aren't moving.

            [–]3whatsthisgarg 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Dude; my reply to you got deleted, probably because I mentioned the name of that toxic sub, you know the one. But here:

            We got a whole post on that shitty sub dedicated to this thread, check it out. Somehow they are compelled to convince themselves that I'm not getting laid because I have stared at women's crotches.

            It feels like an accomplishment of a particularly tawdry sort to get a mention in that shitty sub.

            Trigger! LOL

            [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I'm not getting laid because I have stared at women's crotches.

            Yes, because sitting back and waiting your turn assures sex.

            I get some of the women there. This whole TRP thing is downright inconvenient to their purposes. I don't blame them; they want to keep their edge. ... but the men. I just don't get it. I mean, most of us were bloopers in our day to day lives at some point; that's how civilization is structured. But to see the face of the matrix and reject it; wtf?

            [–]brinkleybuzz 48 points49 points  (3 children)

            Ask yourself, do you want her to like you or do you want her to fuck you? Answer that question then act accordingly.

            [–]Cousieknow 16 points17 points  (2 children)

            To be completely honest, I could give less of two shits if I personally am getting laid. Don't get me wrong, I believe in everything TRP stands for and use it to fix my daily relationships, not be a pushover and whatnot; but I could just give two shits about sex.

            I'm just that fucked.

            Edit: A word

            [–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            You can be one guy one day and another guy the next. Except the advice on this forum is about being the sex guy. It's just advice.

            [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (10 children)

            Might be a dumb question but do you have any examples of how to talk sexually? I've gotten more comfortable not hiding my intentions but I don't know how to bring it up sometimes

            [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (3 children)

            Talking explicitly about sex is rarely a good idea unless the lady in question is very amarous towards you and she starts steering the convo in that way first.

            'Show don't tell' amiright?

            Maintain a warm demeanour but a cool attitude, maintain intense eye contact (don't stare), encourage her to talk about herself, suggest escalation at intervals in the conversation "Let's have another drink"/"Let's go sit over there where it's quieter"/"Let's get out of here, my place is only down the road"...the rest will be easy my bruh.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            TFW you have roommates/family living with you.. thanks for the advice though. guess I'll be celibate unless she invites me over LOL

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            You could just say "It sucks that my place is so crowded, how about we head back to yours for a night cap."

            And then just...you know...take your pants off or something.

            [–]no_spoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            "Did you really just invite me over to your place" is something I've heard from time to time, even after the completing those previous steps.

            [–]RLazerbeam 19 points20 points  (3 children)

            Abstain from masturbation, get horny AF and be social to boost your confidence and you will suddenly find yourself talking sexual and the girls will notice it

            [–]fantastic_disaster 18 points19 points  (2 children)

            This is sage advice. Too often men don't realize the energy masturbating takes from you. Don't be Ben stiller: don't drain the pipes before a date, or even for a week or a month or a year before.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I always thought this worked after experimenting with it on and off, but reddit and the internet are so divided in opinions on "nofap"! Some of them refuse to believe that jerking it could possibly make them less motivated

            [–]fantastic_disaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I would argue that those not believing in its benefits have never tried to abstain.

            [–]JustDoMeee 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            A good strategy that I've found is making innuendos that can be easily interpreted as something sexual.

            Most of the times the girl will laugh at it or make a comment on it, you just keep frame and pretend like you didn't even mean it like that and act surprised.

            Then you accuse her of being dirty minded, have a weird fetish or just is kinky, all in a playful manner.

            Example: Me: I usually come early Her: laughs or makes a comment * Me: *mildly shocked you're a dirty one aren't you (in a playful manner)

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            [–]RedBaron200 17 points18 points  (2 children)

            An old lady politely asked me if I could grab a few cans of beets from the top shelf at the grocery store yesterday. I was more than happy to help. I didn't help her because I needed her to like me. I did it because I needed to like the guy in the mirror. If you're going to be a nice guy, do it for you, not for them. People can tell the difference.

            [–]JorixKienu 8 points9 points  (1 child)

            That's the way to do it : do it for yourself.

            But ( and this is a huge but) never forget that other people will allways try to exploit you, to grab some advantages over your using your "sense of what is right", whatever is it.

            Never ever forget that practically all women and a lot of men will try to step over your, if you give them the space to do it.

            [–]RedBaron200 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Yes, you're absolute right. It's unfortunate but it's the world we live in. I suppose the best defense is to quickly determine motives and apply common sense.

            [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 50 points51 points  (8 children)

            I was raised from birth to believe the way to get women to like you is to be a nice, sweet, caring good guy who is there for her and worships the ground she walks on. Didn't help that I had 2 sisters who re-enforced this garbage mentality in me.

            So for the first 25 years of my life all I would try to be the good guy. I wouldn't just be the good guy, I would tell women I was interested this. I would tell women I had oneitis for that I am a good guy and not like other guys. Then later down the road when I would try to even escalate one inch I would get shut down because "I don't see you in that way, I don't want to ruin what we have"

            I think when a lot of men realize this they try to overcompensate and be a total dick. When we say don't be a nice guy/good guy we aren't saying to be a destructive asshole jerk. It's not so black and white. What we are saying is that there is a fine line to walk here. Learn how to do the bare minimum when it comes to common courtesy without being a destructive asshole. Women are not stupid. They know if a guy is into them or not, no matter how nice you are being. So why not just be direct with your intentions from the get go.

            [–]1empatheticapathetic 11 points12 points  (6 children)

            It would also move things along a hell of a lot if those women just openly clarified at the beginning instead of waiting for the moment to break it to them that they're not interested. But that's not the point you're making.

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

            Isn't that suspense of interest how they keep orbiters?

            [–]1empatheticapathetic 12 points13 points  (3 children)

            The guy before me is shitting on nice guys for not revealing their agenda immediately even though girls know what he's doing. So I thought I'd shit on the girls who shit on him for eventually revealing himself after knowing what he was doing instead of sparing him the time and embarrassment.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            edit- Revoked; Missed the last sentence of your first post. Context. Ugh.

            [–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            You're absolutely right and my comment was more of a redundant pisstake, hence why I added at the end "but that wasn't your point".

            I'm aware of not getting annoyed at behaviour of women, it's a fruitless endeavour. But I just got annoyed at shitting on nice guys who don't know any better and are simply victims to societal pressures. Half the people on TRP would be those guys and those guys aren't doing anything wrong but trying to get laid/connect so why shit on them? Just annoyed me.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Right, makes sense. Although, isn't shitting on each other how we keep each other on point? It's out of respect and appreciation for the potential of your fellow man. And aren't these girls also "victims" in the sense that, yes, their social brain is fully aware of what's happening, but they don't consciously acknowledge it? That seems more of a people problem, then. People are pathetic. They're too "polite" (read: anxious) to tell someone to just go away. Maybe they would if they understood what's actually going on in their head and the perspective of the guy, but... oh well. Just an advantage for us, really.

            [–]AbujaCCXR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Women are actually geniuses.. that's some serious Machiavellian shit.

            [–]Wolffy93 16 points17 points  (2 children)

            This post, and many this past week, have been resonating profoundly with me.

            Absolutely love, admire, and respect my dad to the fullest... However he was not around during a critical time in my life when I didn't realize he needed to be there. Essentially, my Mother raised me into the first stages of transitioning from a Boy to a Man. Was all for it... until realizing everything I was doing were not getting me desirable results.

            You know; TL;DR - "Be a Good Guy" Reinforced by crushes, aunts, teachers, just about everyone women in my life.

            "I'm doing what they Say they want... but I'm getting abysmal results. Hell, I got broken up with By Doing Exactly What She Said She Wanted. What gives?"

            So I was. Up until something was clearly missing from my playbook.

            Enter TRP.

            Learning how to Unlearn the what I have truly, Very Truly, internalized my entire life and learn how to assert myself has been a Very uncomfortable process... but is needed.

            Like anything else, these concepts, the mentality, all of this, will require practice to get under one's grasp and continued practice to maintain. (I assume (?) )

            [–]Oz70NYC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            The process is long and gut wrenching...especially when you come to see all that you missed out on. But what's built over the remains if what society as a whoke has fooled us into thinking a man should be will reap benefits of true results.

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            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Anyone approaching an interaction with a woman they're into whilst in the mindset of a college student attending his course assessment interview needs his head examining.

            When you're looking for a woman is the main pillar of attraction likely to be how many times she volunteers at a soup kitchen, how punctual she is, how close she is with her family or how much she donates to charity?

            The clear rebuttal to that is "Yeah but men and women are different you ASSHOLE." and yeah they are, but no one is laying in bed banging their partner with a rock solid stiffy because of their altruism.

            Put yourself in her shoes and use a bit of common sense.

            Good post OP, too many people fall back on this tired routine.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            Being alpha male have nothing to do with being good or bad. Vice versa

            [–]PatrickIIDX 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            If your game sucks and there is no way to improve, and you're in your 30s, just focus on a career, make lots of money, and hopefully in your 40s, like Tom Leykis, you can pump and dump gold diggers without giving them a lot of money or paying for their shit that are around 20 years old. Best revenge ever.

            [–]no_spoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Which ironically perpetuates the alpha zone

            [–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I had a woman in my bed a few weeks ago, who I caught feelings for and failed to seal the deal. She ran back to her other man and wants no contact.

            I am still not over my own betrayal of myself.

            [–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            most of this article is you trying to project yourself onto others but otherwise it's a good lesson to to give to men that before they apologize they should ask themselves if they did anything wrong. you may be a creep, that doesn't mean every other man is like you. a good man doesn't have to prove to women that he is good, because he already knows that he is and he doesn't need to be validated by them. if you're deep down a piece of shit and you know it, then ultimately you're only going to attract shit women. that's why so many men on here use game and land pussy, but they still find themselves only attracting women who are gutter trash. at the end of the day not all men are equal, and not all men are good.

            [–]CharlieMungerReader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Got to admit, some really great from woujo. It matches with the ideology from how to attract girls through honesty book.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            There are no "good guys" - there are just men that do a better job at controlling, repressing and directing their insane sexual urges than other men.

            Also, you don’t want to commit to this girl. You don’t want to be nice to her. You are just telling yourself that because you think she is too good for you so you would stick to the best you can get

            This is the "lie" men tell themselves. The betas, the BP - however you call it - they want to be civilized (it's humane, emphatic to do so) and treat the girl in a civilized way, so they self-castrate their libido and the primal urge to fuck her and substitute it with being nice (as in - morally good, fair toward other being) - while she doesn't care about being treated fairly (no such thing in m-f dynamics, only "attraction or lack of it") nor does she really want to be treated like that (because she cannot be hurt by being sexual toward her, short of rape).

            The fuckboys, the badboys (especially this last name, in the context of being good/bad) don't have this problem, b/c they don't think in "is this morally good" way like most civilized men do, nor do they care about "negative consequences of their actions for the women" (b/c there are no negative consequences of being sexual towards the woman, short of rape).

            This is a great, great post.

            [–]Sensei_Hensei 1 point2 points  (12 children)

            Donald Trump is not a creep.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo[S] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

            lol somebody got triggered

            [–]Sensei_Hensei -4 points-3 points  (5 children)

            Because it's simply not true. Trump is the ultimate alpha that all women's panties soak for. You"re just jealous of his smv.

            [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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              [–]Sensei_Hensei -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

              You're obviously just another sjw snowflake.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Is this the only talking point Trumpbots are capable of? I called you a faggot and you called me a snowflake? WTF?

              [–]Sensei_Hensei -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

              I'm sorry man I can't continue this no longer. I thought you read my sarcasm but you didn't. I was trying to be a wise ass by making fun of the Trump love fest around here.

              Great post by the way lol.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              It's like that Poe's law where you can't tell sarcasm because its so close to what people really do.

              [–]DigitallyDisrupt -1 points0 points  (4 children)

              ReRead the point he's making.

              Btw, don't white knight the fucking President.

              [–]Sensei_Hensei 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Did you read the part about me saying I was being facetious?

              [–]DigitallyDisrupt 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Every heard of Poe's law? Or a /s? Reading comprehension starts with the writer.

              [–]squawkd 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              honestly, it was fairly easy to distinguish even without an /s, or at least that's imo

              [–]DigitallyDisrupt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Two people said it wasn't, sure there was more, probably doesn't matter, only incels (not saying you) left here to read comments and a few mouldy EC.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Holy shit that first paragraph describes every beta I've ever known so well. The funniest part is how they absolutely do want her for sex and think the "good guy" thing is a way to get there.

              Fun fact: women don't hate nice guys, they hate weak guys. They're not so much attracted to assholes as they are repulsed by pussies. Women do want a guy who treats her well but it never trumps a guy who is strong.

              [–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              What about the idea that acknowledging sex to the woman kills unspoken anticipation of "what is still viable in the near future" and that it may trigger ASD?

              [–]ttkkk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Direct game perks, choose your side. calibrate the situation

              [–]wiwe97 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is cliché but just be yourself. Its alot easier and more genuin than putting on some sort of act.

              [–]Shaqs_foot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Then you have the guys that are smurf blue who "think" they want her for something besides sex. These "men" are so out of tune that they trick themselves into thinking that they don't want it. Deep down, at the core of male interactions with women lies the one truth. It's all about sex.

              [–]Kinote_42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              "You know what else is creepy? Lying and being manipulative. If you walk up to a girl at a bar and pretend you like her jacket she will immediately know you are full of shit" I disagree, women love being lied, my game is more direct but I have seen my wing game a girl talking about everything other than sex and end up boning her by the end of the night.

              [–]zephyrprime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              "even if you really were a "good guy," no woman would believe it." That's not the issue and is totally wrong anyway. Women know who some of the good guys are. Doesn't matter because they want the bad guy.

              [–]newName543456 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              You have your sexuality and so do women. You do not need (or even should) to apologize to anyone for having sexuality - Chad sure doesn't. Nor do women in question.

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (5 children)

               

              All you did here is replace the accepted Red Pill term of Nice Guy™ with your own term "good guy".

              Otherwise it's the same.

               

              [–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo[S] 18 points19 points  (4 children)

              No I don't think it is.

              A "nice guy" is a guy who gives her favors and trinkets to make her like him. A "good guy" is a guy who isn't targeting for sex.

              Also, it's not like this sub isn't full of repetitive shit anyway.

              [–]NeoreactionSafe -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

              So you think it's a matter of degree?

               

              • Nice Guy™ - Totally beta and throwing gifts at a girl. (begging)

              • Good Guy - Passive and indifferent... non-assertive. Nice Guy™-lite.

               

              I suppose.

              They both have a hint of White Knight in their act.

               

              [–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo[S] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

              They are both different aspects of the same beta personality. Oftentimes these traits exist in the same guy.

              Also I give words my own meanings to keep these concepts straight in my own head.

              Also I wouldn't call the the good guy just passive and nonassertive, but oftentimes actively deceitful and hiding his true intentions.

              [–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

               

              Also I wouldn't call the the good guy just passive and nonassertive, but oftentimes actively deceitful and hiding his true intentions.

               

              Which is the profile of the Nice Guy™.

              The whole point of the Nice Guy™ is that he thinks he's investing in his nice guy act so that a future reward will arrive one day.

              The Nice Guy™ isn't truly innocent, there is a hidden agenda.

              Come to think of it the Nice Guy™ and the White Knight are very similiar in that they use convoluted means to get to an end. Their Game usually fails, but they continue attempting it over and over.

               

              [–]XZTALVENARNZEGOMSAYT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              My mindset is forever changed

              [–]Merwebb -1 points0 points  (1 child)

              Stopped reading after the "creep" part. Is just wrong.