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Red Pill TheoryWealthy man hides past to find a good girl = Liar. Slut hides past to find beta provider= OK. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by el_nikon

Summary

Women are the gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers of relationships, and its common to say that, in this exchange "her past doesn't matter." The common wisdom today is she should conceal it to get a good man who doesn't want her for just sex. In fact, its typical to say that him asking about her sexual past is just asking for trouble. This is a strong move for her sexual strategy.

What about his past in this exchange in regards to relationship and provisioning? What advice does a wealthy man get if he wants to hide his wealth to get a "good girl" who doesn't want him for his money? Then the advice is to show his hand. This is a weak move for his sexual strategy.

Body

People on TRP have described hiding the past and the adage "women are the gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers of relationships" with this script-flipping description.

No sweetie, I used to fly women to Europe on spontaneous weekend dining and shopping excursions, but I'm different now. The past is the past.

Rollo covers the relationship dynamic when a male discovers his wife's lurid past and his feeling of dejection in the article "Saving the Best." Of course, r-relationships thread after thread tell men that the "past doesn't matter" in regards to her sexual past.

But what about if we flip the script properly and find a man who hid his financial past? What kind of advice do men get and is it helpful for their sexual strategy?

Here is an example of a wealthy man who is quite dejected about how women change when they see his beautiful home.

I feel like my house destroyed my dating life. Since moving in I had four ~2 month long relationships and they all followed the same pattern. Things would be going great until about a month in when I'd bring them over to the house for the first time. I don't know how to describe it other than it's like their behaviour would change after seeing my home, and it'd weird me out to the point of breaking up. Here are just some of the notable examples:

Ex 1. We were both very adamant about having safe sex, but shortly after the first time coming over she started wanting to have a lot of impromptu sex sessions and almost seemed disappointed when I'd stop for a moment to take out a condom. After a few times I started getting suspicious of her intentions and ended things.

Ex 2. One day as she left my place I saw her take a selfie in front of my house before she got in her car. She had previously told me about her instagram account, so I looked it up because I was curious to see her photos, especially since she took several whenever we went out. I saw about 16 different selfie pics of her from different vantage points at my house, but NONE of the pics of us together were on there. WTF? I got weirded out by that and some other things so I ended it.

The other two simply started trying to make the relationship too serious too quickly, talking about moving in (after five weeks, seriously?) or becoming very possessive. Even my friends commented on the changes in how all four women acted before and after seeing my house for the first time, so I know this isn't just me being paranoid.

His gut reaction is natural revulsion. He doesn't want to be a beta provider. Due to perceived threats from women who want his resources hes trying to hide his provisioning.

In the gendered sexual contract, ♀sex does not equal ♂sex, but ♀sex=♂relationship (provisioning, commitment). The advice is for her to hide her cards and for him not to ask. Flip the script.

R-relationships asks him, of course, to show his cards and give up his defensive strategy.

1457: If you trust her, tell her. If not, you're in a tough spot. She will continue to think you're cheating if you dodge this with a lame excuse. If she's worthwhile, tell her.

1276: He came to pick me up in a Porsche, explained how I'd passed his test. He'd lied to me about the roommate, but also about his job, and some of his hobbies. Basically, I didn't know him at all. It was so embarrassing that I'd been so dumb. And I didn't want to keep seeing someone who obviously had no problem lying to me.

730: this ruse is likely to run off the type of women you actually want. Come clean now and show remorse. Maybe she can try to understand, but if not, don't do this in the future beyond a few dates. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders and realized the true motivations of your exes before getting too heavily involved. Just be smart and trust your gut.

388:Yes. The funny thing about that future situation is that if she leaves you for being dishonest, you will finally know for sure that she didn't care about the money. If she decides to stay with you after learning about your large fortune despite knowing you lied to her a lot? Well, there's more paranoia for you.

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Sexual strategy script-flip, just for fun.

♀ Thread: boyfriend is jealous and sad about my sexual past

Top Comment: Your BF has internalized a whole bunch of gender oppressive, sex negative bullshit and it's turned him into a cringing self-centered insecure bag of slop that can't handle the fact that the whole world doesn't revolve around his penis. To help purge him of these shitty attitudes I recommend tying him down in a chair and forcing him to watch Chasing Amy followed by listening to every single episode of Dan Savage's Savage Love podcast. Maybe that will help.

♂ Thread: My(24F) boyfriend's(28) sexual past (threesomes, orgies, polyamory, gay sex) makes me feel insecure. Most of his friends have been sexual with him in the past.

Top Comment: it sounds like you have different values in general. i personally would stay away from someone with a past like that.

Nice follow up comment: I really have to wonder if this would have been the top post if the genders were interchanged.


[–]evileddy 359 points360 points  (129 children)

I'm snipped. I never tell anybody this. I simply state "I do not ever want children"

When women I date find out that I am snipped they lose their fucking minds on how I was "lying to them."

Let me restate.. I am snipped and tell women "I don't ever want kids" AND I use condoms every time... but because I didn't tell them that I am snipped.. I'm a horrible lying sack of shit.

It's almost like they are mad at me for winning at their little reproductive power game.

[–]BMW1M 212 points213 points  (8 children)

I think what you are doing makes every man that has been deceived into having kids by the birth control lie feel a little better. Keep up the good work.

[–]Luckyluke23 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I'm sorry. but I never trust a ho. even if she tells me she's on the pill i still wear a condom man.

[–]ryabauer94 0 points1 point  (1 child)

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i luaghed at it but it's no laughing matter!

[–]ubercoolhipsterguy 117 points118 points  (57 children)

What we are seeing is the return of the spinster.

In industrial Britain, the spinster was a middle to late aged woman who worked some grueling menial wage job that kept her barely alive in poverty as her body broke down because nobody wanted to wife a used up hole and nobody wanted to hire her without any real skills. So to correct this tragic experience the State started to take from men to compensate the woman in a divorce.

It worked so well that so much wealth was produced and accumulated that exponentially increased our standard of living to the point that women decided that they didn't need to sell their sex to men after all, they were going to be "liberated" from constraints on their sexuality. In the same vein feminists introduced the concept of "no-fault divorce", which of course ensured most marriages are going to fail since no two people are perfect and no relationship stable enough to last 50 years without the threat of eternal damnation in hell and/or the state. And that worked for a couple of decades as men stuck to the old script and got anally divorced raped by the most entitled spoiled generation of women in the history of the planet :the baby boomers. (25% to 55% divorce rate rise in one generation)

So men started to wise up to how badly they were getting screwed over; marriage rates plummeted and we reverted back to the pre-civilization 80/20 distribution of sex (since semen is cheap, women only want the top men) and the middle aged woman game of finding a sucker BB before her beauty clock runs out.

But now the BB are wising up too and refusing to give up free shit. So if girls don't make changes to their sexual strategy, they're going to wind up spinsters. In a generation or two there will be so many bad examples of female sluttiness that the push will be to return to conservative Victorian, reconstruction, and depression era social norms again (instead of their liberal Romantic and Swinging 20s counterparts) because incentives.

This cycle has all happened before in the past and it will all happen again because human nature is fixed and it is flawed (penis is cheap, pussy is expensive, and our fundamental biological drive is to procreate). The instructive study of history is lost on the masses but it's enlightening to watch society's values and economy change in perfect sequence.

[–]evileddy 123 points124 points  (51 children)

I can definitely feel the pendulum about to reach it's zenith and starting to swing back.

Sex androids and virtual sex are going to be the final nail in marriage as I can't for the life of me think of any benefit, other than some sex, that women offer men these days..

They can't cook (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs0Mi4n3Y6M)
They have ZERO hobbies or passions of their own ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AJ51s2B8qE)
All are addicted to their phones (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr_SFg6B668)
They are uneducated lack logic ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2eyq9qTOQY)
They are spoiled little teens: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxYbcbCgkc)

This is no longer limited to just North American women.. I travel... it's everywhere now.

So when women ask me why I am single:

"Find me a woman that can cook, reads books and isn't attached to her phone that hasn't fucked half the city and hook me up!"

"wow.. maybe you should lower your ridiculous standards.."

ha ha!

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Am so with you on the book thing: did a lot of speed dating back in NYC, and one of my openers (a great one, actually, if you only have a few min to talk a girl up) was: "So tell me about the last great book you read!" I'd say that knocked out about 99% of the candidates right off the top--very, very few women I met (and these are the so-called "educated" New York women, mind you) had cracked a book within the past 12 months, and of the few that had, it was the usual "Twilight!!" etc.

Moved to LA 2+ years ago, almost the same deal--only you bring up the book thing out here (at any point), and you'll knock out 100% of the women, guaranteed. Hell, many women out here have actually never read a single book cover to cover IN THEIR ENTIRE LIVES, let alone in the past year. (And yet, somehow, they still manage to get by...)

[–]TRPShill 25 points26 points  (26 children)

holy shit. that girl in the fourth video is good for her holes and nothing more.

[–]el_nikon[S] 13 points14 points  (10 children)

[–]evileddy 15 points16 points  (1 child)

This is my favorite as she starts to get really angry at the guy instead of just saying "Huh.. I don't know.. explain it to me please"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbZqMNN1iA

[–]0kool74 10 points11 points  (0 children)

oh my God!!!!!!! The stupid makes my head hurt. And to think losers like this are allowed to vote. SMH

[–]Red_Pill_Raskol 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Wow. I do a similar test by asking "Which way is North?"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least you actually have to think about it, instead of just repeating the correct answer back to the questionnaire.

[–]Gelu_sf 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That is actually harder. It implies they have some concrete knowledge of astronomy and geography that they pull the answer from.

[–]Baldr209 1 point2 points  (0 children)

similar question but the same principle. this one takes the cake.

https://youtu.be/MaxxSH1ZKUU

[–]1DRMMR76 13 points14 points  (0 children)

She's going to be the Senior Vice President of Human Resources somewhere with the authority over the lives and careers of hundreds of men someday. Just wait.

[–]evileddy 19 points20 points  (9 children)

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

It seems easier now, to filter girls just by asking this question.

[–]teeelo 3 points4 points  (6 children)

What are you trying to prove exactly?

There's video of this question stumping guys as well.

[–]Donuteater780 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I got asked this by a friend, was perplexed for about a minute because I was trying to figure out the trick.

[–]1DRMMR76 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah that's one of the things about this, it's so blindingly simple and stupid that you're expecting it to be some gotcha! trick.

[–]8Js 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Well that's why you say, "is it a trick or is it one hour?"

[–]tsudonimh 3 points4 points  (0 children)

After seeing these videos I called my daughters into the room and asked them the question.

9-year-old: is this a trick question? 7-year-old: it's an hour!

But then again, they think Khan academy is a computer game and that they need to get as many badges as possible.

[–]Rathadin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The trick is taking fucking physics in high school.

That's the trick.

[–]evileddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most women have zero logic skills and rely on "feelings" to get the correct answer....they feel the question out.. most replies were "well I feel that you can take off 10 minutes"

There's zero feelings in math and logic.

[–]JumpXVI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg_DYep6B4Y

This one really takes the cake.

Girl 1: "It would take exactly one hour."
Girl 2 (the dumb one): "No it wouldn't!!!
Girl 1: "There's 60 minutes in one hour—"
Girl 2: "I'm going to prove my point..."
Girl 1: "Your point is wrong, so you don't need to prove it..."
Girl 2: "It's going to be right, so..."

She then says "If you were going 80MPH, but you were speeding, then it would take you less than an hour."

Girl 1: "But if you were speeding then you wouldn't be going 80MPH."
Girl 2: "But you could be..."

It's not that Girl 2 is wrong. There's enough evidence that this is a "trick question" on some level that you can understand a brain fart. It's that she's so convinced she's right that she's arguing against logic. She inserts both "what if you were speeding" and "what if you got pulled over" as reasons you wouldn't be going a constant 80MPH as reasons that "an hour" is wrong, even when she'd said earlier "it would take a little less than an hour". It's simply breathtaking.

[–]nuesuh 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Currently traveling through Thailand. Was on the skytrain in Bangkok.. 98% of the women there are on their phones, constantly. You step off of the train, you see 15+ women taking selfies from different vantage points.. You do sense the vapidness

[–]foldpak111 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Third video shows the narcissistic nature of women. LOOK AT ME LOOK WHERE I AM LOOK WHERE YOU'RE NOT!!! Now hit that like button beta orbiters so I can get my daily dose of self esteem because I have no confidence building hobbies.

[–]Sdom1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In the last video, I believe that they divorced after he released that video. I just don't know how he managed to wind up married to her in the first place.

[–]evileddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I imagine she did that routine but instead of "going to the lake" it was "why won't you marry meEEEEEEEEEE?" and he fell for it.

[–]25russianbear25 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Find me a woman that can cook, reads books and isn't attached to her phone that hasn't fucked half the city and hook me up

All you see is mainstream women and you think they dont exist... let me tell you this: those types of women exist. All types of men and women exist.

[–]nuesuh 7 points8 points  (2 children)

He didn't say they didn't exist, just that they are fucking rare. I can't think of a single girl that I know, that matches his "criterias".

[–]galt88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't lower my standards and found that unicorn. They do exist.

[–]moose_war 5 points6 points  (10 children)

All are addicted to their phones

Not all, I've been out with women who I notice specifically put their phone away the entire time I'm with them and don't check them once. Besides, guys are obsessed with their phones too.

They are uneducated

Pretty sure more women get college degrees than men now.

Just trying to keep it real here.

[–]1DRMMR76 6 points7 points  (3 children)

They are uneducated

Pretty sure more women get college degrees than men now.

That has fuck all to do with how educated someone is these days.

[–]moose_war 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That has fuck all to do with how educated someone is these days.

It's the definition of being educated...you can claim they still have lower intelligence, sure, but they're technically more "Educated" than men, at least if statistics on the matter are correct.

[–]SophisticatedIce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesn't education just mean being given instruction on a subject though? You can receive that without going to university like for example military MOS school or trade school which are pretty male dominated. Not to mention online videos that teach a subject could fall under that too. Or even readings.

[–]evileddy 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I should have used "lack logic" instead of "uneducated."

[–]nuesuh 7 points8 points  (1 child)

What good are a womens studies degree if they still can't figure out how long a car traveling at 80 mp/h will need to travel 80 miles?

[–]moose_war 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Apparently the most popular degree for women is Business, followed by Nursing/Healthcare. Also taking a few youtube videos of some bimbos and judging every woman based on that is ridiculous. It's pure circlejerking and you know it.

[–]rpkarma 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A college education in Gender Studies with a minor in Intersectional Feminism is hardly an education though, wouldn't you agree?

[–]moose_war 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Apparently the most popular degree for women is Business, followed by Nursing/Healthcare

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 21 points22 points  (1 child)

So if girls don't make changes to their sexual strategy, they're going to wind up spinsters.

They're changing their sexual strategy alright. Next up is Daddy Government to do the beta providing. And they've got the majority of the vote, so they'll probably get it too.

Women felt hard done by: men sorted it out. In the future when men feel hard done by, the state and women will be there, ready and willing, to say "tough shit".

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The pessimistic cynic in me thinks you're right. Girls already have incentives to do anything or nothing and still be supported for it, it will get worse.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 44 points45 points  (0 children)

So if girls don't make changes to their sexual strategy, they're going to wind up spinsters.

They aren't capable of it, because their hypergamous nature holds them back from doing so.

Either there is a strong patriarchy which controls women's promiscuity and hypergamy in order to make sure that betas also get their share of women, or the sex market is heavily skewed in favour of the 80:20 rule (or even worse) with the betas starting to pull out of the game and ultimately hurting society as a whole with the loss of productivity.

This world isn't build on the handwork of alphas, but on that of betas lead by alphas. The contract however is, that they in return get a share of the women, while the alphas keep the top notch women.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

great piece of writing man.

[–]moose_war 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Because women always think they can change a man. You say you don't want kids and she thinks "We'll see" with a sly smile in her head. Women are used to men being honest and blunt and not using tact as in your case. When they find out having kids is physically impossible with you it's GAME OVER to them and their facade falls.

I'm not snipped, still in my 20s, not sure if I ever will get snipped, but I think I might use that line in the future at some point in the same way you did. See their reaction.

[–]evileddy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then I push them harder by throwing "It's my body.. my business...as a woman.. how can you not sympathize?"

:D

[–]Rasalom72 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup... my wife kept "hinting" that it would be nice to have a kid, and after about a half dozen years, I just finally told her to stop mentioning it... it would never happen. She mentioned that she might just go have one with another guy then... and I told her "there's the door."

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I do the same thing, very few of the girls I fuck know I cannot have kids. It's the best feeling in the world knowing I won't be trapped into child support again. Besides I'm 46, who the fuck wants rugrats and fuck trophies at my age? Not this man that's for damn sure.

[–]Blackierobinsin 2 points3 points  (35 children)

How much did it cost I was seriously thinking about a vasectomy

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (14 children)

The most prohibitive thing isn't the cost as its well under a grand if I remember correctly. The worst part is that doctors are notorious for not doing it unless you're old as fuck or have kids and are married already.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children)

So if your 19 and single they can legally not do it?

[–][deleted]  (2 children)

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    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I get it it's like when a plastic surgeon refuses to operate on someone that has an addiction to it

    [–]ILoveSunflowers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    19 year olds don't usually make well thought out long term decisions.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yes. Like abortions in the 50s.

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    The VA badgered me about it, waited six months and they asked me no less than ten times during the procedure. The last time was after my sack was open and he hadn't cut the passages yet. Shit, I was late 30s, had two teenage kids, was divorce raped, and my girlfriend at the time was hardcore child free. She got her tubes tied three years later, just six months after getting married. Divorced from her ten months after that. I would laugh my ass off if she got knocked up by the omega she has now, jowls and receding hairline at 25. If only karma were real, she would get stuck with a fuck trophy from a complete loser.

    Schadenfreude is rampant in my life.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    Holy fuck. I'd never let the VA near my sack. Glad you're still with us, brother.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    The procedure is like 150 dollars in canada.

    There's different processes but most are pretty non invasive and a couple don't even involve cutting the skin.

    [–]psycho_sid 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Ice your balls for a few days and that's it. I believe it cost me under 300 here in Montreal. Doc did ask me a few questions, but when i told him have 2 kids and I'm done, he was satisfied. Went to some length to explain it's a non-reversible procedure - even though it can, but it's very tricky, lengthy and can't be done 5 years post-vasectomy.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    My friends grandpa has had to get 5 of them because his shit keeps healing.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I did mine during the summer of 2014 (24 years old) no questions asked. I live in New England if that helps. I have insurance so the cost for me was my copay. Did it on a Friday and didn't even have to ice my balls. By Monday I was 100% like nothing happened.

    [–]Fedora_Tipper_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Is there an option to store sperm anywhere or does that mean no kids for sure now unless you got the operation reversed

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Around here, sperm banks are found like 7 Eleven. You're looking at approx. $500/yr here in New England. You get a break if you pay for longer terms longer i.e. 5+ years at a time.

    The Google is your friend here.

    As for reversal, if you're thinking about reversal, you shouldn't get it done. Those usually cost $10,000-$20,000 cash as most insurance companies won't cover it. Also, reversal isn't always successful.

    [–]teeelo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Live in Canada?

    Free. Maybe cost you a day off work.

    [–]life036 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Doesn't getting snipped prevent you from "cleaning out your pipes", therefore negating any positive anti-cancer benefits that come with regular ejaculation?

    (Source) http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate

    [–]chrisindub 2 points3 points  (6 children)

    You are awesome.

    They have nothing to be upset about

    [–]evileddy 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    I completely understand where they are coming from.

    "This mother fucker "lied" to me and I can't use my vagina to control him.. FUCKKK YOU BUDDY!!"

    [–]chrisindub 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    At that very moment where they got upset, you knew they were lying about their intentions and they don't respect your wishes.

    [–]evileddy 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Yes. "Why are you so upset... wait a minute.. were you secretly trying to get pregnant? That is FUCKED UP!"

    hahaha

    [–]chrisindub 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Anecdotally, of all the naive guys I know with money.

    Like 30% of them got into a scenario with a girl they were dating, where she just, "got pregnant."

    [–]evileddy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I hold the very unpopular opinion that there is simply no such thing as an "unplanned pregnancy".

    Every single woman I have ever slept with wanted me to not use a condom after a few fucks.

    Fuck that. No glove.. no love.

    [–]niceguy_gone_cad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    If they find out you're doing something wrong...

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

    You have your sperm banked? Just in case?

    [–]PlanB_pedofile 7 points8 points  (4 children)

    Or better yet already reproduced and he's in the 2nd phase.

    Being divorced, kids are teenagers, and slaying the field as a 45 year old with a new lease on life

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    That's me! My oldest is 21, youngest 19 next month. Free at last! Motherfucking free at last!

    [–]1DRMMR76 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    And this is why I got snipped and didn't put any of my sperm on ice. Besides the fact I can't stand being in the same room as children, when the majority of men talk about their kids growing up in the same way a felon speaks about getting out of prison after an 18 year sentence, I'm confident I'm better off skipping the whole ordeal.

    [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I never wanted kids, I had other plans for my life. My sex drive was crazy high from 13 to 40 so I did whatever I had to do to get laid, it ended up costing me dearly. Wish I could have focused more on my goals than on getting my balls drained four or five times a week.

    [–]rpkarma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This is what my dad is doing. Makes me proud :)

    [–]ChewbaccaFart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This actually is a phenomenal idea. Sperm bank and a vesectomy. Zero repercussion on average I would say.

    [–][deleted] 63 points64 points  (26 children)

    everyone is telling him he fucked up and he lied. He hasn't deceived by commission (lied), he has deceived by omission (being stingy with the truth)

    Don't ever let someone shame you for operating on a 'needs to know basis'. they are dribbling you information as they see fit to. They just get angry when they find out your information is more valuable.

    Personally, I don't like deception by commission. It gets messy, you have to remember what was said, and to whom, who will talk to talking to who. But being parsimonious with the truth is just good business.

    [–]houseprobs007 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    This is really the crux of the issue. I started off with a lie of omission, which I have no problem with. My finances are no one's business. However, after several weeks it became impossible to simply omit because we were interacting too much, so I had to resort to telling occasional small lies about where I was or who I was with.

    And you're right, it gets messy trying to keep track of everything and it is a poor way to handle the issue. We both deserve better, so it is going to stop.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I'm a big deontologist and lying is so destructive to trust that I don't engage in it. I understand why people do it, but usually being careful with what you say can do the same work with as a lie. Take a look at some of the biggest falls from grace and its not what they did, but the lies they told (Martha Stewart, John Browne).

    Welcome to the sub. You'll find this sub populated with other viewpoints (stoics and Machiavellian Men). Check out the side bar and treat it like buffet. Try it out for yourself, pick what you want (if anything) and leave the rest behind.

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      [–]houseprobs007 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I don't know what happened to it. Unfortunately, there were some good comments I wanted to respond to but it was locked before I had a chance.

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      [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 73 points74 points  (15 children)

      Oh no, my friend. It's much worse than that. You think marrying money solves the gold-digger situation? Wrong you are. Rich people marrying other rich people are still marrying for money, whether it be defensively, or acquisitively. Money cannot buy you physical chemistry, and it cannot buy you character. When you wake up one morning and realize you can't stand the person you chose to marry because you were blinded by their wealth, then you realize how impoverished your really are. I've seen plenty of wealthy people in miserable unhappy marriages, even though both sides have it. It's why women cheat on their arranged beta bux husbands and why men cheat on their nagging bitch wives: resentment about having been roped into an unnatural situation.

      Also, wealthy people know more about money and the system and are much harder to fleece. If you marry a rich girl, she may have an easier divorce-raping you because she and her friends and family know how to game the system optimally, whereas the poor girl could be dispatched with a token settlement, the rich girl hire a private detective, find all the hidden asset and get her several pounds of flesh.

      [–]BlueFreedom420 12 points13 points  (11 children)

      Definitely reminds me when I read up on the history of European nobility.

      [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 3 points4 points  (10 children)

      Any recommended reading on that front?

      [–]yaardi 10 points11 points  (7 children)

      Don't Lose Your Head, Honey: The History of Divorce in the Middle Ages

      [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 11 points12 points  (3 children)

      “Many so-called ‘wife-thefts’ were not actually forced abductions, but cases of adultery framed as abduction by wives trying to avoid adultery charges or by husbands suing to receive financial compensation for their losses,” she said. “My dissertation broadens the understanding of the role of women in the legal system and provides a means for analyzing male control over female bodies, sexuality and access to the courts.

      “But it also reveals ways in which females could maneuver around such controls.”

      While Dunne acknowledges some medieval Englishwomen who endured abduction were raped or coerced into marriage, she said legal documents reveal a significant amount of consensual elopements or abductions.

      “I was quite pleased to see some women maneuvering around at least some of the controls of a male-dominated world and a male-dominated hierarchy,” she said. “They had more freedom to live a life they wanted to lead.

      Marry Lord Beta Bux for political reasons, and then run off with Sir Alpha Fuxalot, taking a whole pile of jewelery, gold, and whatever else can be spirited away.

      http://legacy.fordham.edu/campus_resources/enewsroom/fordham_magazine/fordham_online/divorce_medieval_sty_69685.asp

      [–]KingoftheAssholes 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Sir Alpha Fuxalot

      Damn that would a awesome screen name.

      [–]NecroticFury 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Women are the scum of the earth when you don't make them work for what they have.

      [–]1grubek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I've seen the same resentment in marriages, but I believe the problem is believing the marriage had to or was going to be something that it never was, romantic. I think there is nothing wrong using your marriage as a business arrangement, as long as both partners are aware and don't try to force a typical romantic relationship. I know of a relatively rich couple that let each other do their thing and they seem fine.

      I'm not sure this type of arrangement is for everybody, some people seem really fixated on mixing marriage and romanticism. But what I am sure of is what you have have also seen, that trying to force a romantic relationship out of a business minded arranged marriage leads to big resentment and desilusion. You either accept the marriage for what it is, live happy with it and fulfil your romantic needs elsewhere or you have to marry someone you both feel romantic about each other, which usually means its a bad business marriage. There is no other way.

      [–]asianmasaccount 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I disagree with this. Most women desire wealth to a greater or lesser extent, but women who have actually experienced poverty or not having what they want will desire wealth more and be more willing to sacrifice on other things to get it. Girls who have always gotten what they want materially will be more likely to emphasize other qualities in men.

      This gold digging theme is something that I've been thinking about recently. I am about to start my medical residency...

      [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I think it ultimately comes down to what kind of character and conditioning the individual woman has. But for us, we must think in generalities, because you have gold-diggers in EVERY class level. I also think in general that women are hypergamous and are culturally conditioned to be hypergamous in a number of ways. There are idiosyncratic reasons for why each individual woman makes her choices, and we'll never be able to tease them all out. I just don't want people on here to think they are "safe" from divorce rape or financial exploitation pursuing rich women.

      Also, coming from money and having money raises your expectations for a standard of living. Plus, if your friends are with wealthy men, you'll naturally want to keep up with them. This alone makes things difficult for men who don't have money. I've seen plenty of otherwise alpha guys who women liked, fucked for years, had natural chemistry with, dumped for lack of "ambition" meaning, lack of ambition to make tons of money to spend on the woman. Remember, young attractive women, who of course, are what most men want, are in high demand, and are constantly being solicited by men from all backgrounds. It would be very hard for most of them to rationalize not branch-swinging to wealthier man who was just as good as the regular guys she's dating, especially as she approaches the wall.

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          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          remember the story of the ancient egyptian pharoh? conquered the entire world, spent thousands of lives to build the biggest monument the world will ever know

          When it's all done, he takes her up, showes her his empire, as far as the eye can see, she says.

          Thats it? What else you building me?

          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Push the bitch down the steps.

          Just kidding, leave her in a small town and tell everyone she has an infectious deadly std.

          [–]BMW1M 75 points76 points  (6 children)

          People in that thread saying she will break up with him for lying to her, they would be pissed if he "tested" them, and the breakup will be his fault for lying. However the recent post about the girl who broke up with the wealthy man because of his minimalist lifestyle without knowing how wealthy he was. She got all upset after she broke up with him because of finding out how wealthy he actually was.

          My point being is to a woman you are either damned if you do or damned if you don't when it comes to money. Be honest about your wealth and they will take you for all your worth. Lie and pretend to be poor and they will leave you for someone better.

          [–]squidracer 104 points105 points  (0 children)

          That actually made me laugh a little.. Because we all know how fast women will run when they find money..

          "How dare you hide your lambo from me!! I'm leaving you for a man with a Honda civic!"

          Said no girl ever

          [–]howard333 33 points34 points  (1 child)

          I think they've adopted a whore mentality while being told the price they should charge has no limit. It's what happens, apparently, when a woman has no concept of monogamy, family, commitment. Men are just marks to take for everything they're worth, or an outrageous sex toy for solipsistic self-amusement.

          [–]el_nikon[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

          However the recent post about the girl who broke up with the wealthy man

          Here is that thread for posterity

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          What did everyone expect?

          Ever play call of duty back in the day? Everyone you would kill would call you a hacker. No one likes to lose

          [–]1rife_omeqa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It's a cry for attention and sympathy. Not a legitimate strategy to leave rich men for poor ones....

          [–]32643264 118 points119 points  (31 children)

          Women can, in an instant, shift you from the 'alpha' box to the 'beta' box if they think you have money.

          I dont have any issues getting laid thanks to RPT. But I have noticed some major differences in a female's behavior when I show a sign of wealth. Its like a light switch flips in their brain. And I'm not even surprised.

          Example: I wear a Rolex. Its a nice watch. I was at a bar, running some push pull game on a HB8 with a great ass. She was eating it up and was giving me all the go signals. We're about to go back to my place for some wine when I turn to the bar to settle my tab. I put my left arm on the bar and my watch catches the light. The flicker hits her in the face. "Nice watch. Is that a rolex?" "Of course, its a Rolex." The look on her face changed, as did her attitude towards me and I could see the wheels turning in her hamster brain. What followed was a barrage of thinly veiled questions regarding my wealth. Combined with her approval of the car I drive and my apartment, I know she s lining me up as a cash cow. Now, Im keen to all this so I attempt to change the conversation anytime its about my wealth. But she continues to prod. Anyway, I laugh it off, get her back to my place. And then LMR. She says she doesnt fuck guys on the first date. Starts making demands that I have to take her to dinner and shit. I sent her home and never called her again. She, meanwhile, blew up my phone 3 out of the next 4 days.

          I have no doubt she would have fucked me if it hadnt been for my watch. In recent field tests, ive worn a casio. And by 2am, its always time to take her to pound town.

          [–]alveoli1 64 points65 points  (2 children)

          But if you wear the casio you are lying about your wealth you lying bastard!! /s

          The hamster demands full upfront disclosure about all monetary matters.

          [–]Shraker 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          Exactly! He's a lying bastard! What else might he be lying about? It could be anything! Is he actually just a grizzly bear wearing a nice watch? Who is this guy?

          [–]thefisherman1961 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          But if you wear the casio you are lying about your wealth you lying bastard!!

          Yep. She wouldn't have consented had she known. That means he raped her.

          [–]2awalt_cupcake 30 points31 points  (2 children)

          This is an exceptional observation. Can you do a report on how to balance your wealth in social situations? You said your Casio got you pussy while your Rolex didnt. You can't be too rich or too poor!

          [–]widec 27 points28 points  (1 child)

          So you're telling me the watch I drew on my arm won't cut it?

          [–]2awalt_cupcake 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Actually that could work with the right personality. It shows you're witty and like to have fun.

          Seriousness aside lol

          [–]ChairBorneMGTOW 19 points20 points  (5 children)

          This is EXACTLY a problem I face. I'm not rich. But I had a number of military deployments, did some civilian work in the sandbox, and I saved a bunch of money because my cost of living was virtually zero for a good chunk of my life (in my 40s now). So I bought a luxury condo in a desirable neighbourhood. My income is downright middle-class, but because I saved a fuckton, I live in a building with doctors, diplomats, a bunch of lawyers, and a judge.

          With women, I'm no Chad, but I am in the top 20% for my age. I did internet dating for a while, and behaved like an alpha for the most part. I get positive response, eager little beavers, but once I bring them home... LMR goes through the roof. They want the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow more than a thorough dickin'. despite any alpha traits I may demonstrate, my home pigeon-holes me as a Beta-bux.

          I'm actually thinking of downsizing.

          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 15 points16 points  (3 children)

          I hide it, they have no idea how many acres of land I own, the value of the cars I've not yet painted, nor how much my monthly passive income is. Hell, I live in a 700sqft cabin I built this summer. My 2000sqft shop doesn't interest them at all. I spend zero money on them unless she has shelled out enough to make me feel like she really wants me around.

          Getting pussy has never been easier.

          [–]ChairBorneMGTOW 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          I like your pragmatic approach. If I can tolerate moving again, I'll downsize and pump my equity into an investment property or something, to try to generate some passive income, as you mentioned elsewhere. In my 40s, the thought of working another 20 years just to live in a high end place, is a shitty option compared to semi retirement right now

          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Why try to impress people you don't even like? Invest in yourself, not in bullshit that doesn't matter. Travel, experience life, go do exciting and interesting shit instead of spending that money on a big house just because you can. When you have something like a huge house and a ton of shit you're a slave to it. Yes I have a ludicrous number of old cars, but that's what I do, my passion, my reason for living. I build them to scare myself, not to impress anyone else.

          [–]ChairBorneMGTOW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Agreed 100%. I purchased that home before I had 'swallowed the pill'. Blue as fuck back then.

          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 15 points16 points  (1 child)

          I drive a beat up 96 chevy 4x4, wear black t shirts, jeans, and redwing boots, I don't have my completed cars in view, don't tell them how much I have invested in tools or equipment, and I live in a small home I built myself. Looking at me you'd never guess I have been retired for ten years, goofing off and restoring muscle cars for fun to stay busy. I have something like 40 vehicles, most from the 60s and 70s, all desirable V8 2 doors and cool trucks.

          Doesn't matter really, I'd rather spend every cent I have on GTOs than on girls.

          [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

          what a dumb bitch. Yeah being more unpleasant is how to get him to date/marry you. good strategy!

          [–]1rife_omeqa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It's not a good strategy. It's the only strategy.

          What does a woman have to offer other than pussy? How much power does a woman have once she's given it up?

          Better in her mind to play hard to get, apply the brakes and hope that Mr Moneybags likes her enough to LTR/Wife her up. This option comes with the added bonus of being potentially wined & dined or being able to save their ego if it goes south by blaming the man rather than themselves when he realizes the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

          Most of these women are showered with so much validation and ego boosting that it's not hard to imagine why they always take option #2 and then lament "where have all the good men gone?".

          [–]Fire_away_Fire_away 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          In recent field tests, ive worn a casio. And by 2am, its always time to take her to pound town.

          They should run an ad based on this.

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Wow. That's some weird shit. Glad I don't wear watches.

          [–]trp_dude 7 points8 points  (2 children)

          Totally right. Money = beta. It literally turns off the part of the brain that stimulates libido.

          I have been lucky to make fair amount of money in my career, and when I had my major payout, sex life with my wife declined from bad to virtually brain dead.

          [–]TechHeistTalky 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          It literally turns off the part of the brain that stimulates libido.

          Do you have anything backing this up? scientifically?

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            [–]32643264 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            My house is now off limits.

            I try not to drink and drive.

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              [–]TheDialecticParadox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              The name's famous. That's enough for most people.

              [–]PENIS__FINGERS 11 points12 points  (1 child)

              Is this a serious comment? Rolex is still very much in style

              [–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              if rolex is an old man watchmaker then patek phillipe is your greatx7 grandfather

              [–]thefisherman1961 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              That's why on my OKC profile I removed any mention of what my college degree is, because I bet I would immediately get pigeonholed as a beta provider if I left it there

              [–]yaardi 20 points21 points  (1 child)

              Lesson learned: If you're a wealthy single man don't flaunt it (unless you want a quick ONS and need to show status with an expensive watch, car or clothes, etc.). Either live in a more average normal home or have the big cool house for yourself and a little city apartment to take women to.

              [–]justadavid 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              This is a good place to inject a philosophy: "Simplify, simplify." It makes life so much easier to live!

              --D

              [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 44 points45 points  (3 children)

              But what about if we flip the script properly and find a man who hid his financial past?

              Never, ever let a woman know how much money you have. Never. Not even your own mother. Your relationship with all of them will change, even if you are their AF. Don't fucking do it. Joint accounts are fine, particularly to run a marriage, LTR or whatever, but keep any real wealth somewhere else. Materialism is for women and for good reason. Don't be a woman.

              And god help you if you are in a place where everyone knows you've suddenly come into a lot of money.

              [–]Drekalo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              The guy in the thread bought a multi million dollar mansion on a wealthy hillside. It's kind of hard to hide that.

              [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              He did a pretty good job of it for a while...

              ... but anyway, mansions are for the aristocracy and women. He deserves what he gets.

              [–]Interisti10 11 points12 points  (1 child)

              At university - i was friends with an expatriate Chinese student - whose family were essentially worth close to a 1 billion USD.

              Whenever we went out on weekends to meet girls (of all nationalities) we would never discuss his wealth and would purposely dress down. Was easy to weed out the diggers.

              and I agree completely with what another user said - as soon as they see $$ / future potential security - a switch is turned on internally. And the hamstering begins

              [–]1CowardlyPetrov 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Excellent post. Accurate observations of hypocrisy and the lies which destroy men's lives. Also a good format and very good supporting links.

              I don't really have any comments, but I really enjoyed the read so I wanted to give you the kudos.

              [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

              If you really want to do this, why not just fake sudden success once she passes the test? Be a struggling "whatever you're actually successful at" with a fledgling company/firm/whatever that has a potential (but unlikely) big payout (i.e. acquisition, huge influx of contracts, etc...). When she passes the test, you call her ecstatically shouting about your big break. Then, over the next few months, just phase in your wealth. First a new house, car, clothes, etc...

              I'm never going to be able to hide my wealth (once I actually start making money). Becoming a doctor is simply too big a part of my life to hide it without acting as a completely different person. However, I'm starting to appreciate that I have to be relatively broke during my training period. If I do decide to marry, no gold digger is going to want to stick around though the rest of med school, internship, residency, fellowship, etc... I think broke to rich is the ideal way to live your life. You learn who is actually loyal to you, and you can better appreciate the good life if you spent a good deal of your early adult life struggling out of shitty apartments.

              [–]TigerMonarchy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              You have some strange and interesting ideas, netizen.

              [–]Mjazz3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              I think this is a viable option. Just tell her you were staying in a place that you were thinking of buying. When she asks you how you got the money just say you sold part of your business. He is not married to the girl and quite entitled to have business etc that she is not aware of.

              If I was him though I would just tell her the truth and why. Just say also that the condo is his work residencecy. If she can't accept that and show some empathy for his problems then I dont think she is worth staying with LT.

              [–]Lord_Vats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              When she passes the test, you call her ecstatically shouting about your big break.

              You're a genius, my friend.

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              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              There's a difference between hiding your reality to others, and hiding your reality to yourself. TRP is the latter, it points out your deficiencies and tells you to get your ass off the couch to work on them. It's about being completely honest with yourself.

              It is completely distinct from the former (hiding your reality to others) which is not showing all the cards you have at once because you'll get played like a fool by others. A man has to learn how to protect his assets, which in this case is wealth. You do that by weeding out the gold diggers who are only there for the betabux. This is especially important in this day and age where divorce rape/sperm jacking is a thing.

              [–]1rife_omeqa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Semantics to a certain extent. Control of ones destiny stems from the ability to manipulate your environment and those around you to your benefit.

              Hence the 48 Laws of Power etc as required reading for TRP.

              It's not so much hiding your reality as it is manipulating those around you to react as you wish. Up to you as to whether the juice is worth the squeeze.

              [–]sourpuss_ashkenazi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Apparently the takeaway here is that if you have money a women will want to settle down with you. People in this thread say the answer is to get a vasectomy or live like a hobo and girls respect you more...? Yah or just figure it out for yourself.

              [–]nuesuh 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              " ...a lot of impromptu sex sessions and almost seemed disappointed when I'd stop for a moment to take out a condom"

              This is where the versectomy comes in handy.

              [–]rurpe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is where the versectomy comes in handy

              unless you want to see green goo oozing from your dick, use a rubber

              [–]foldpak111 11 points12 points  (1 child)

              "The funny thing about that future situation is that if she leaves you for being dishonest, you will finally know for sure that she didn't care about the money."

              Did I really just read this?

              [–]NecroticFury 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Yea because she'll take all the money with her as she leaves.

              [–]bloodfoxtrue 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              If I was rich, I'd definitely try to hide (most of) my wealth when searching for a long-term partner. It's nice to have someone that will actually be with you, through "thick and thin". Loyalty seems scarce, nowadays.

              [–]kellykebab 5 points6 points  (3 children)

              These aren't parallel situations.

              The promiscuous woman lies about her past to hide an unattractive part of herself. The wealthy man lies about his riches to hide an attractive part of himself.

              A better comparison would be between a promiscuous woman and a poor man or between a chaste woman and a rich man. The new analogies would read as follows:

              If promiscuous women should disclose their pasts, should poor men disclose their meager funds?

              If a rich man should disclose his wealth, should a female virgin disclose her inexperience?

              [–]Viklove 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              They are parallel actions:

              woman lies

              wealthy man lies

              Apparently what you lie about makes the difference, not the fact that you're being dishonest.

              [–]1rife_omeqa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Getting caught lying makes more of a difference than what the lie is regarding.

              Nobody, man or woman, likes being lied to and finding out post hoc. Though everybody likes whomever can lie well. Reddit at large is a pretty good example of this. The bullshit that gets passed around the larger subs to much praise and adoration sometimes has to be seen to be believed.

              [–]Hydris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Want there a thread linked a day or so agai about a women wondering f she should lie about her # Bing I. The 60s and the overwhelming support that he should be ok with it.

              [–]Buchloe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I think the more accurate example would be to pretend you ate wealthy when you are really poor.

              [–]chloe1204 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I don't think anyone has a right to know anyone's past and no one owes any partner that information, but expect a possible confrontation if your lies catch up with you.

              [–]arrayay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The hypocrisy exists without even needing to make an analogy. The man should expose his financial standing to these women? Do these women share their financial situation with the men? Does she being up her crippling debt on the first date?

              [–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              People put women through this laundry machine of false feedback to the point they get delusional and end up ruining their lives. Funny how these same people trying to defend women actually destroy women and nonchalantly instruct men to give away their wealth to women who will blow it within a year on other men (and drugs).

              What really helps me understand and accept what is going on is to simply ask "would they be able to act this way if we lived in ancient times?" No. Would've gotten killed off the second they got out of line by a male leader (virtually non existant today).

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              I agree with what you're saying (mostly) in your first paragraph, but everyone's free to make their own mistakes and responsible for dealing with the consequences. Paragraph two really worries me, it almost sounds like you long for the days when women were killed for being dishonorable. I find the whole notion of honor killings truly abhorrent, and that goes for any kind of killing that's motivated by someone's sense of what is socially right or wrong.

              [–]NecroticFury 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              They fucking deserve that fate. If you accept shit in and out, you deserve shit in and out.

              I cannot believe yet again it needs to be about a female victim. It needs to be considered that she is just inept, and that is why bad things befall her and the men she involves herself with.

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