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Red Pill TheoryUnderstand Women, Don't Hate Them (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by bountyhunterdjango

So you just realised that the girl you've been texting and talking to 24/7, the one that's only ever dated assholes but is on the cusp of realising what a sexy, sweet, perfect package of a guy you are, is actually: a biological woman.

And you've realised that girls, as slaves like all of us to their own biology, actually just want a popular, confident, dominant man (you know, like those ones you hate) to fuck them.

Now an obvious reaction to the epiphany that girls operate in this way, is to hate them. Their search for a mate, independent of morality, is an instinctual need to track down specific genes, and it's a great example of our cold, indifferent universe that is completely at odds with the "win the girl by being nice!/yourself!" sentiment the emotional world of movies teaches us as children.

This is the thing though, us men are also slaves to our biology. Maybe some of you have had long-running female friends that have been extremely good to you. Now you could pretend you'd rather fuck them than a 10/10 supermodel, but that would be a lie, because attraction, again, can't be negotiated.

The trick is to understand and accept the upsetting (but uncontrollable) parts of girl's personalities without tricking yourself into thinking that you're somehow superior to them. This is for a couple of reasons: 1) Easy as it is in the anger stage, this kind of hatred just isn't healthy. Sure, starting off a bit angry might help you with weights, but when that motivation fades it's just a useless emotion holding you back from being the type of stoic man that attracts women. Also, it's stupid. Seriously, they can't control it, let it go.

B) If you're on this sub you probably want to fuck girls. Right? Well hating women is going to make that a hell of a lot harder. How are you meant to make interesting/engaging conversation with someone you hate? Adding to that, female friends do a lot for pre-selection and can be good wingmen, and you can't form genuine friendships by hating that entire 50% of the population.

If you want to keep hating women you have three options really.

1) Avoid them. Good luck.

2) Be openly hostile with them. Again, good luck.

3) Fake every interaction with women. Which is tiring, weird, and frankly, pretty dumb.

So my advice, don't let the things you learn about women make you hate them. It will make your life and your game a lot harder,


[–]disposable_pants 207 points208 points  (52 children)

Hating women for taking advantage of the opportunities society affords them is like hating a used car salesman for trying to sell to you at the highest possible price. He owes you nothing, and he is just watching out for his own interests. Expecting anything else is naive at best.

People respond to incentives. If you don't understand these incentives and suffer for it, the fault is on you. Getting pissed about it is just not taking responsibility for yourself.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 113 points114 points  (45 children)

Hating women for taking advantage of the opportunities society affords them is like hating a used car salesman for trying to sell to you at the highest possible price. He owes you nothing...

Big difference: men aren't lying to women about their true nature. Everyone is lying to men about women.

It's the lies I resent. The constant "women are wonderful and you won't see how good until you marry one" lies. The girls saying "your dad bod is attractive honey, and I'd still love you if you didn't earn as much".

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 34 points35 points  (27 children)

I don't even resent the lies anymore. It's like I'm playing some ball and my opponent just tricked me with a fantastic fade I had never seen before. OK he beat me but I can't help but be admirative at his technique. After 2 years of red pill, I'm now smirking at women's deception about their sexual nature, their concealed wants, their manipulation of men/society through the exploitation of the "white knight" bug in our software: "Damn that was a good move buddy! Had never seen that one before!"

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I hear you on this. When you accept deception as part of the game (something men are told from birth NEVER to do).... when you accept this, their nature is easier to accept. And as you say "good move buddy".

Still ... I'm a man. I look at how much better the world would be if women were more honest. And while I appreciate what they do is of selfish benefit to themselves, I can't help thinking that it's making a lot of men suffer needlessly. And I can't fully respect it.

[–]godfatherchimp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately women will never be more honest, because men keep rewarding them for being dishonest by having children with them, thus passing on the genetic propensity for dishonesty. Only way to change that would be through the course of evolution and natural selection, which will take way more time than you or I will be on this planet.

[–]theONE843663 4 points5 points  (15 children)

You can still appreciate your opponent's move while hating the fuck outta them.

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    [–]theONE843663 7 points8 points  (10 children)

    I think girls like to be hatefucked more than pity fucked lmao

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      [–]aDrunkenWhaler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      They like most to be dominated by alphabux who will lead and protect them. Being hatefucked will give them short term satisfaction of being dominated but not long term fulfillment and satisfaction. See former carousel riders becoming bitter old crones herding cats.

      Correlation does not imply causation. Women like to be hatefucked, period. Even when in LTR, even after 20 years of marriage. The carousel riders become bitter because they couldn't lock down an alphabux (to hatefuck them forever), and they get old and can't attract new alphas (to hatefuck them).

      Hatefucking does give long term satisfaction, because that's the type of fucking that fully turns women on. Not having this in their life at any point will make them feel unfulfilled, doesn't matter if she's a slut, obedient wife etc.

      [–]the1mancircus 7 points8 points  (5 children)

      Can confirm.

      The number of times girls have exalted, "FUCK ME HARDER!" as I'm literally stuffing their every hole with the might of King David's Goliath-busting sling throw, never ceases to amaze me.

      Part of me speculates that the reason women crave absolute and utter domination sexually, apart from more obvious reasons that are written else where is the fact that a lot of them hate themselves. Need proof? Watch how they talk and compare themselves to each other. Bird watch from a distance, a local MAC makeup shop. You'll get a world of proof.

      This all has me thinking... wouldn't a proper patriarchy -- that supported and loved its women (truly empowering them) -- be the panacea to a generation of single, multi-cock-riding, sad-sappy, wine-box-slamming, solo-bolo Netflix watching, cat ladies of despair?

      [–]theONE843663 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Dude that last paragraph lmfao. I'm​ high as shit rn, in class, and I just Lol'd so hard rn irl I woke up everybody in the lecture hall. Boring fucking class man half the class is sleeping rn.

      Dude I got a fuckin laughing attack man the prof kicked me out cuz I couldn't stop laughing. Fuck his class tho whatever man.

      [–]Peter-Keating 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      hating is a waste of energy

      [–]theONE843663 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      So is commenting on reddit brah lol

      [–]DM112090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This is how I feel about Tom Brady.

      [–]RP15 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Relentlessly brainwashing an entire society. Sweet moves!!!

      [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      The evolution of human culture has always happened through the male approach (violent coercion) or the female one (insidious manipulation). If you think that the modern changes due to the society bending to the feminine imperative are something new and that the world would be a great place without it, you are gravely deluded.

      [–]RP15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Of course it's how the world works - but I don't see it as much of a game writ large. I see it as a threat, so the stakes are higher to me than a game of pickup ball

      [–]Peter-Keating 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Exactly what I think like now. I don't even resent gold-diggers. Everyone is with someone for something.

      [–]TruthInArt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I love the way you put that! Very positive.

      [–]Denver_Luv3 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      Big difference: men aren't lying to women about their true nature

      Not true at all. Every woman's beta orbiter and male "friend" is lying. Every supplicating guy is in some sense lying. Every teacher who passes her cause she's hot is in some sense lying. All of them want to fuck her but won't go about it directly. Even the guys who dangle the prospect of a relationship in return for sex are in some sense lying (I've lied this way and you probably have too).

      Lots of guys lie about their nature, and that's one reason women will respect guys who are straightforward.

      Men and women both lie, just in slightly different ways and for different reasons.

      [–]openoids 1 point2 points  (10 children)

      I agree with you on this, and I will expand a bit. Everyone with any introspection knows there are different facets to our nature...or maybe "natures" is more apt. It did occur to me that being the bearer of children- and having to stick by this, often crappy little thing for 15 or so years, perhaps makes women more inclined to "self delusion" and rationalization than men. I think that many of the worst one's truly believe their own shit, and can spin it anyway possible to continue the travesty. The same emotionalism that allows them to continue to fawn over their drooling offspring. So...what can one do in the face of such blindness?

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      The same emotionalism that allows them to continue to fawn over their drooling offspring. So...what can one do in the face of such blindness?

      If only they did fawn over their drooling offspring. I've seen women ignoring their crying children to go play with their dog, playing video games instead of looking after their children, and doing everything possible to get out of the house and away from their children.

      This idea that "all women make perfect mothers" is another society wishful-thinking myth that needs debunking.

      [–]fingerthemoon 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      I'm a single dad and I've know a lot of single moms. Pretty much all of them suck at being moms. I've had so many of them repeatedly trying to pawn their bratty kids off on me. Like they're all just trying to find a way to get out of it and back to the cc party. I won't watch someone else's kid unless they get along good with my daughter. And they need to reciprocate so I can get a break from time to time as well. Most single mom's are to be avoided at all costs.

      You know, now that I think about it, most mom's suck, single or not. They're overly emotional, reactionary, illogical, reinforce bad behavior with reward and give their children crap food. I suppose most dad's suck as well, but probably not as much... It's no surprise the world is so fucked up.

      Gotta say though, I've know some awesome mothers as well, few and far between. Not my mom though, but they're out there. Beautiful loving feminine mothers who dote over their lucky kids.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Beautiful loving feminine mothers who dote over their lucky kids

      This is the belief that the world would instil in us. That all women are like this. Truth is they are few and far between.

      I have known zero women like this, but I'll take your word that they exist.

      [–]wench_enabler 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      My mom is like this, but she adheres to traditional Mexican gender roles. She also spits out red pillisms almost every time I see her. When she asks about grandchildren (ugh), I have to remind her that a good woman is hard to find in this day and age. I tell her I don't want to settle for just anyone, especially not the party type girls so common in socal. She agrees and jokes about not getting one that is all correteada, which literally means run down or used up and is mostly used for older cars. Having a mother who stayed at home mostly (occasionally had to get a job when times were tough) is not for every woman obviously but it should be celebrated when it does happen and is extremely empowering to her and the family. A lot of modern feminists would not agree with that appraisal and it is a shame that their definition of a 'strong' woman does not include the dutiful mothers who actually are happy to stay at home instead of joining the workforce. Instead, those mothers are sneered at and reviled as examples of 'backwards' gender roles. After all the shit I have seen and have seen other people go through, I am 100% glad that my parents made it work with the values they cherished all while raising an entire family on a very low income. Mom held it down at home, can't say the same for all these single mom ig thots who leave the kids at home with poor granny when they want to #turnup.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Having a mother who stayed at home mostly (occasionally had to get a job when times were tough)

      Modern "empowered" women don't get a job when times are tough, they get a divorce and cash out while they can.

      I am 100% glad that my parents made it work with the values they cherished all while raising an entire family on a very low income. Mom held it down at home, can't say the same for all these single mom ig thots who leave the kids at home with poor

      Different times, different laws.

      I snicker when I see women complaining about "backwards" gender roles when it suits them, then they turn around and demand endless support and privilege when it comes to children and family. They completely forget that gender roles and gender rules are designed to create children and families.

      [–]tankriderr 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      The same emotionalism that allows them to continue to fawn over their drooling offspring

      lol you must have had a really good mother to form this opinion, most trollops get over their kid after they are 3 or 4. Women don't give a shit about their kids, they do use their kids in divorce courts or seeking sympathy.

      mothers, female teachers, guidance counselors - all female dominated spaces that pretty much shape a boy's thinking, behavior, concept of self. All guess what? they don't give a shit about these innocent kids. No wonder so many men around the world lack self esteem

      [–]openoids 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      My mom was not typical imo. But I attempted to teach in those female dominated spaces- and hated it. I should have framed my assertion more contextually. I agree that many of these mothers treat their own role as mentor and nurturer as a passing fad. I was thinking specifically about all the times their precious cargo made problems in my classroom and then attempted to weasel out when the consequences arrived. All of a sudden,mommy was the champion of her angel that could do no wrong. That's where the delusion came in, for me.

      [–]tankriderr 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      All of a sudden,mommy was the champion of her angel that could do no wrong. That's where the delusion came in, for me.

      Don't you think that's more because a mommy's precious cargo is a reflection of herself? Is she defending the kid or defending her own ego?

      My mom was a teacher in the same school as I, it was one of the worst periods of my life, from age 7 to age 14, these menopausal cunts made life miserable for me. All of teachers always had something to bitch about, about my uniform, my hairstyle, my grades, my writing, the fact that I might be talking to a girl and then my mom would bitch about that to me.

      That period I went through made me realize how childish and egoistic most women are, ofcourse I went through my anger phase as well. But I also realized that most of these petty complaints made by these trollops didn't actually have a point and my mother bitched about it to me because it was her status among her friends that was on the line.

      Mothers don't care about their children that is something I've realized from my own experience.

      [–]openoids 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      yes....Maybe alot of this is about "poor boundaries."Sorry to hear you had t o go through this. I won't blame it all on females, but they played a reasonable role in breaking me as a person, when I taught. I wish I had never been exposed to such dishonesty, vindictiveness and casual cruelty.

      [–]tankriderr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Sorry to hear you had t o go through this. I won't blame it all on females, but they played a reasonable role in breaking me as a person, when I taught.

      All good bro, you have one view of women and I have another based on our respective experiences. As long as you are aware of AWALT and not taking women seriously.

      I wish I had never been exposed to such dishonesty, vindictiveness and casual cruelty.

      yes, part of me wishes that as well but think of it in a positive way, the amount of emotional abuse I went through in my developmental years made be extremely immune to emotional bs of women and helped me a lot in not giving a fuck, this bitching and moaning had become a daily thing by the time I was 10 so I eventually stopped giving a shit about what my mom thought of me or what her trollop friends thought of me. It made me suspicious of women in general and I pretty much lost any respect I had for those trollops.

      It saved me from years of emotional pain that other men would have faced during their late teens-30 or even later if they didn't find red pill. I was red pilled through my experiences, I just didn't know some techniques that just made me more efficient with women.

      Point is, women are not men, don't trust them blindly and give your all to these trollops, even if one of them ends up loving you a lot and gives her everything to you. Women are impulsive by nature so never give them anything that they may use against you. That means don't over invest emotionally in her, don't trust her too much, don't love her too much.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Every "nice" guy who never gets sexual with a girl and then gets mad when she doesn't fuck him is definitely misrepresenting his nature. Even if he's more Dad than Cad, he still wants to fuck her.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      Men are told to lie and repress their sexual nature. The nice-guy is the intended result. It's not fair to tell men "women like nice guys" and then say "oh, except they don't, stop pretending to be nice".

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      That's the game, brother. You got to be the guy who just gets it .

      [–]1sailorJery 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      I don't expect more from a used car salesman, I just think they're scumbags.

      [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

      A good understanding of AWALT is key. If you understand awalt you can enjoy women as people and not be pissed when they aren't your Disney princess.

      [–]ransay3277 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I agree. To me it's like getting mad at a compass for pointing north. It's just what they do. Plus they couldn't care less if it makes you mad. If fact they enjoy it. Nothing on the other hand pisses a woman off more than indifference.

      [–]TheReformist94 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Wrong .stop making excuses for them. There's loads of things I can do as a man and I simply don't do them.

      You can divorce someone without taking them to the cleaners.you have enough laws on your side to not smear men with false rape.there's enough laws that benefit them that shud incentivise them to walk off with a clean break and find a new man.

      [–]godfatherchimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      But not all women do those things. We are talking about things that all women do (AWALT)

      [–]omega_dawg93 32 points33 points  (2 children)

      i've never hated women for being women. also, i've never tried to understand what they do or why they do things.

      but i have 3 sisters, and i've watched them devise plans, manipulate situations, and use their bodies & other people to get what they wanted... from who they wanted it from.

      my point: i think most guys who hate women hate them for the EXTREME measures they will use; their 'game' has no rules. they don't care. they will use their mouths, pussies, and assholes... money, other women, etc. to get what they want. natural, master manipulators.

      the ONLY thing they care about is their current emotional state at the time you experience them. 95% of their happiness is fueled by the level of attention they're getting from the person they want it from.

      you either love women or you understand women... but you can't do both.

      [–]JorixKienu 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      you either love women or you understand women... but you can't do both.

      This.

      They have no plans or goals apart the feeling of the moment.

      How is it possible to make a plan involving an human being like this? How is it possible working together to a common goal? It is simply impossible, they can not be trusted. ( Here I'm talking of women and blue pilled men alike ).

      So how can be that women pretend , most of the time, commitment? They simply don't know what commitment is. But they pretend male commitment nevertheless but never offering something equivalent. I mean anything that can be a base to a common building.

      Bullshiting all the time.

      [–]BlackJ1 48 points49 points  (11 children)

      Hatred usually never leads to something good.

      In any case it would be silly to hate women for what they do, it's in their nature.

      There's a old snake parable that goes well with this:

      A snake was hit by a car. A woman picks him up, feeds him, and gets him to a full state of health. But then he bites her, injecting her with his deadly poison. On her death bed, she asked "after all I did why me?" The snake responds "you knew I was a snake when you picked me up."

      In other words don't get mad if a snake bites you, it's a snake. You saw it coming. There is no "unicorn' or "different" snake that won't.

      [–]Phoenixtorment 12 points13 points  (4 children)

      Isn't it supposed to be the turtle and the scorpion crossing a river?

      [–]1GroundhogLiberator 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      That's a much better fable. Ever try to pick up a wild snake? They don't like being picked up. Learned that the hard way at summer camp twenty years ago.

      [–]Burlaczech 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      is that a parable to child camp molester?

      [–]1GroundhogLiberator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      We had been catching frogs all week and I wanted to 1-up everybody. In hindsight it was only like a foot long and an inch around but to a kid it felt like I was trying to wrangle an anaconda.

      [–]Sugar_Tank 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      Lol...I believe you were looking for the "Scorpion and the Frog" ?

      One day a Scorpion tries to cross a river, he sees a frog in the water and asks him for a lift to the other side. The frog says "No, you are gonna sting me!" the scorpion replies "But if I did that, we would both die..."

      Upon hearing that, the frog reasons it makes good sense, and agrees to ferry the scorpion across the river.

      Half-way across the river, the scorpion stings the frog in the back, paralyzing him....him with his last agonizing breathes as they both sink into the river, the frog turns and asks the scorpion "Why...?"

      The scorpion replies; "I am sorry, it is just in my nature to sting".

      [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

      I remember that story from Natural Born Killers. Always think back to it when I feel like an idiot for trusting a cunt.

      [–]Thizzlebot 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Hatred usually never leads to something good.

      It leads to the Dark side, everyone knows that.

      [–]cheltman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The Royal Marines affectionately refer to women as snakes with tits.

      [–]ambx54 30 points31 points  (3 children)

      It's not about hate per se, it's more like - most women lie, and it's the lies that cause a shift in perception. If you're a slut, own it and don't act like you're a catholic girl who's waiting to be married to have sex. Just to give you an example, I overheard a plate of mine talking to her friend on the phone, giving her advice about a 'nice guy' she had gone on a few dates with - "Don't have sex with him, pussy is power. Keep him wanting more, use him for the free food and drinks, etc"

      This friend of hers usually sleeps with guys on the first date - but just because this one was more of a gentleman, she decided to use him. When this guy realizes he was being played, that's where the anger will stem from.

      [–]Trooper_1868 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      and we get one more subscriber :)

      [–]segagaga 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      Agreed, its the lieing and the manipulation that is the problem, rather than anything else.

      [–]ideal_lemon 81 points82 points  (16 children)

      very well written. except 1 part i disagree with, is that hating women doesn't really make it hard to bang them. if anything, it worked a lot better for me than my blue pill years.

      but i agree it's unhealthy, and there is a better way.

      [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 33 points34 points  (8 children)

      Yeah, to be fair understanding but also hating women will still make it a lot easier to bang them than liking but not understanding them. But understanding and not hating is definitely the best and most effective position to be in.

      [–]LostLittleBoi 11 points12 points  (7 children)

      Yeah, to be fair understanding but also hating women will still make it a lot easier to bang them than liking but not understanding them. But understanding and not hating is definitely the best and most effective position to be in.

      Please think about this for a bit, I'm actually asking you for help here. I'm at a point where I am capable of faking everything and getting laid... Honestly any night I choose. I may feel scummy the whole time, but I can get myself laid.

      There's like four positions I guess: 1. Understand and hate women, avoid and fuck 2.Don't understand and hate women, avoid and don't fuck 3.Don't understand​ and dont hate women, pursue and don't fuck 4.Understand women and don't hate women, game and fuck.

      Im #1, how do I become a #4? I'm fucking bitter and that sucks, I used to be the happiest hippy in the world, now I'm a cynical capitalist and something's not right.

      [–]t12totalxyzb00 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      You got redpilled. Dark times are ahead. You sense that.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      That bitterness comes from your own insecurities or unrealistic expectations. Fully accepting reality includes no hatred. Sounds like you're replacing old convictions that RP has upturned with new ones. I'd say you should focus on digging up your own bullshit, staying aware of it, and fighting it. Acceptance is hard, but once you've done it, it's fucking great.

      [–]LostLittleBoi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Probably right, I've come farther than I could've ever imagined as I cried my virgin self to sleep 5 years ago, but I can still go so much farther. I just need to figure out how to relax without simultaneously taking my foot off the gas

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Right, I think you're talking about this concept that I've become much more aware of lately. People feel vulnerable to just being their natural self, especially when they're dependent on an outcome. Because of that, they try to control everything. Forcing it like that, searching for ways to be better than your current self in the moment, causes anxiety and fucks you up when you're trying to execute. It shows others that you feel that you're too inexperienced for what you're facing. Of course, in the moment, all you can be is yourself. There's a time for planning and a time for action. A guy made an awesome quote in a post here recently (paraphrase): It might seem like chess at the start, but in reality it's just checkers.

      It's like, if you're on Omaha beach, what's going to be better: Hesitate because you're afraid of being killed, or do what you know needs to be done? People need to accept the reality that the risk of being shot will always be there, and your best chance at getting out alive and getting your job done is to confront the situation head-on with no fear. Let go of the dependence, accept the vulnerability, do what needs to be done in the moment, and take time for figuring things out later. You can't force yourself beyond what you are, so have some goddamn faith in it.

      edit: Back to directly talking about hating women: The only reason you'd hate them is if you expected something from them and/or are depending on them for something. First off, you should not be allowing yourself to have insecurities that cause that dependence. Fight them. Second, hating someone for traits they have no reasonable control over is pathetic. Do you hate kids for doing dumb shit? No, you learn when to assert authority and call them out and when to laugh about their tantrum or let them go do dangerous shit. You should never have had expectations of equality or balanced appreciation. They shouldn't either. You shouldn't even care in that way about being appreciated because you're so damn okay with yourself that you're not depending on it. So fuck it, girls can be terrible, but they can still be nice to hang out with and fun to fuck. And when she fucks someone else, guess what? She was never yours in the first place. Just your turn. She's just there as an opportunity for what she is, so don't be upset about what she's not, because that's aaaalllll your own bullshit that you'll be much happier getting rid of.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      You cracked the code for your biological imperative. Congrats, not all people/men get there. Since you're not Ghengis Khan: slaughtering villages and raping your way through the countryside is shunned these days. Your next step is to find your purpose; your own self actualization. Are you as fit as you can be? rich? successful?

      Point being, you've plateaued. Keep the gains and build yourself up for the next challenge. It's like being poor then winning the lottery. Once you get used to all the money, it eventually means nothing. Find whatever it is that gives your life meaning.

      [–]LostLittleBoi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      That's actually great. Think I need to spend a hour or two really hashing out some more short term and long term goals

      [–]ideal_lemon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      you might want to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_muEULSxgIU

      i think what you are feeling is a natural cycle. i felt the same way, but bitterness fades over time.

      [–]NewTRPGuy 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      You must be a sociopath because I don't know how anyone can conceal that infront of them. I hate women with all my heart and sometimes I can't have a decent convo with them due to triggering rage of wanting to punch her in her face.

      [–]ideal_lemon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      i don't know, maybe? i've spent my entire life being nice to them and getting friendzoned, then i saw TRP and started "testing" the theories.

      in my eyes i feel like "oh is that how we are playing?" and i treat them like shit in a somewhat-playful manner. and they all seem to love it and try to validate their worth to me and i'm just chuckling inside.

      though i must admit i feel like punching them in the face from time to time when i observe how shallow but entitled they are. am i a sociopath? i have no education in psychology to be able to answer that.

      [–]tankriderr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      realize that they are kids, really annoying,backstabbing kids and then treat them so. That'd go a long way.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Very true. But it's not the "hating" that helps bang them, it's the "not caring" that goes with it. If you can keep the "not caring" attitude, you can get rid of the "hating" part.

      [–]ttkkk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I would say its sometimes a doorstep after starting to swallow the pill. Even understandable due to cognitive dissonance as a result of clashing with blue pill mindset used before.

      But it's essential to evolve from that resentful framework to have a healthy and fullfilling relationship someday.

      [–]RedPillFusion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The best use of hate fucking is as a transitional tool from anger phase to acceptance. The dominance translates quite well to abundance.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 15 points16 points  (6 children)

      Maybe some of you have had long-running female friends that have been extremely good to you

      Unlikely... women just aren't that good to men. "Man friendzones woman" is a thing, but "Woman supplicates for 5 years in the hope of man finding her attractive" is not. Women are not lied to and duped into supporting men, unlike the reverse.

      You're right about the biology thing, but the reverse analogy of women doing things for men and not getting anything for it rarely happens.

      [–]openoids 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      Generalizing-men offer support...women offer their bodies. Women get lied to and become pregnant and then discarded. It's ugly at the bottom.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      Women get lied to and become pregnant and then discarded. It's ugly at the bottom.

      Men are lied to more than women. 90% of women know the score, 5% of men know anything about dating reality.

      80% of men are forced into a position of "beta or celibate".

      In your example of woman "pregnant then discarded", the reality is that women usually end relationships and men are always on the hook for child support.

      Both genders lie, but it's men who are paying.

      [–]openoids 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      I can agree on some of this. I've had my share of lumps from lying females. Christ..I was a jr hs teacher and watched a little cabal of bitches ruin my career with the "teacher is a perv" rumors. I do think the pendulum has swung too far to one side. My "pregnant and discarded" was meant to imply historically...These days things are different.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      These days things are different

      Exactly.

      Previous times - women had 5-8 kids, often died in childbirth, had a fairly harsh life and no iPad.

      Now - mollycoddled entitled lazy little liars that leverage male protectiveness to get eve-more privilege and get that privilege enshrined into law. They avoid logic and reason and rationality and especially true-equality because they can get so much more (for doing so much less) by pretending to be vulnerable and innocent victims of a phantom patriarchy.

      I vote to give them exactly what they pretend to ask for: true equality.

      [–]openoids 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      yes...essentially, men have worked themselves out of a job. Most women in the US take their safety and security for granted. That is apparent when their crusades focus on catcalling and manspreading. I agree.

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      [–]Amethyst_Lovegood 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      Yes, because men just love Chads and never get so competitive and jealous that they have petty fist fights over nudging someone in a bar 😂

      [–]RmX93 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      I dont understand why people downvoted you, use to have friend, typical alpha, he lived with 2 other alphas roommates they were fighting with each other almost everyday. Alpha and beta are allways friends.

      [–]NoodleeAppendage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      For real. I watched a dude get sucker punched hard as fuck yesterday for bumping into some guy and his girl on a crowded dance floor. The white night insecure Chads are fucking ridiculous.

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      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      I think it is perfectly healthy to dislike these traits. Just be sure to notice them in both sexes. If most women are liars to the point where you can scarcely find one to trust or respect, then you really aren't hating women.

      I don't hate women. I love many of them. Outside of my immediate family, I trust none. I do trust a few men outside of my family, but they are long term friends.

      [–]godfatherchimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I trust women in the sense that they will act how I expect them to act: like women. I trust that my girlfriend will cheat on me if the right Chad comes along and games her under the right circumstances. AWALT. I also trust that she will avoid intentionally putting herself in that scenario, as all LTR-worthy women will do. It's the women who seek out attention and validation from other men that I automatically do not trust.

      I trust men in the sense that I expect them to be loyal and honorable. If they give me any reason to doubt their loyalty or honorability, I don't trust them. It's not a coincidence that I almost universally distrust betas because their loyalty is compromised by their thirst for pussy. They will go back on their word and throw you under the bus in a heartbeat for it.

      [–]RichieFinn 3 points4 points  (4 children)

      this is something im struggling to get past. i should of been going to barcelona with a girl i was seeing this week.

      Instead im pretty sure shes now going with the guy she originally booked it for, who she mentioned never wanted to do anything with her, while mentioning to me i made her so happy and always wanting to see me etc.

      Now this girl in particular was nothing special to me, i dont feel like i miss her in general, however one thing i struggle getting over is the comfort the lies allow me to fall into, this girl was just a distraction at the moment from a lot of other shit going on in my life. And her lies made it seem like everything was okay. Thats the trap we have to avoid.

      [–]Returnofthemack3 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      a lot of women will mercilessly use you in situations such as this. She wasn't sure the other dude would commit, for whatever reason, and decided to set up alternate 'back=up' options, one of which was you. All of that bullshit and the feel-good lies were to insure she would have someone to go with. As soon as circumstances changed, she's fine with discarding you.

      That's the game for ya

      [–]RichieFinn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      yeah im noticing this now. i just didnt think she would be so open about the communication he was trying to engage in with her. i suppose there was clearly details being left out and it was wayyyy more then she let on and she probably even encouraged it. oh well, was just my time. Will learn from this

      [–]Returnofthemack3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      always more to it. can't trust a goddamn thing a woman says most of the time.

      [–]DarkuSchneider 4 points5 points  (7 children)

      I especially hate such people operating under the delusion that they are righteous people with good intentions.

      Hence why girls don't like Nice Guys and White Knights.

      [–]askmrcia 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      White knights is one thing, nice guys are guys that are actually taught from birth that treating people nice will have people treat them nice back. Its a respect kind of thing. You respect me, I respect you. Then you have millions of women out there that scream they want a nice guy, but they really don't. Just like you have almost all the tinder girls saying they not looking for a hookup, but they really are.

      Can't blame nice guys. They had no one teach them that what women say, they don't actually mean.

      White knights on the other hand...

      [–]Returnofthemack3 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      yeah, i'm seriously getting sick of the insidiously evil 'nice guy' stereotype. The amount of nice guys that fall into that niche is probably fairly low. Sorry, but if you're taught from birth to treat women a certain way, and they just abuse the fuck outta you and fuck chads in return, it's insane to not expect some bitterness.

      It'd be one thing if people were exposed to ideas found in books like 'no more mr nice guy' or the 'rational male', but they're not. Lets' face it, it's just a way for women to shame the weakest males in society without looking bad. They can't just say theyre ugly or weird without looking shallow, so they craft this narrative where the nice, awkward guys are the TRUE MISOGYNISTS. Give me a break lol

      [–]askmrcia 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I completely agree with your Last point. Then they always say their ex boyfriends started off "nice" and became an asshole. That's their way of avoiding any accountability on their part for selecting shitty partners.

      Its always either you're "too nice" or "you're an asshole with women."

      My cousin is an asshole. He doesn't hide it at all. Women flock to him and then complain when he cheats on them saying that they thought he was a nice guy lol. It is what it is

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        [–]segagaga 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Theres nothing wrong with being kind as a principle in itself. Kindness, courtesy and decency have their place.

        Its an asshole-ish thing to assume that everyone who is being nice to you is simply doing it for pussy though.

        [–]NeoreactionSafe 33 points34 points  (10 children)

         

        • Feelz before Reals

         

        That's the part about women you have to get past.

        With a guy you can make an agreement and generally they will stick to it because guys are about objective reality.

        Women simply do whatever their Feelz guide them to do so any "deal" you make is pointless because they will do whatever they want and ignore what they agreed to.

        And the worst thing is that afterwards they always will hamster a logic to justify what they did.

        If you can get used to that you know women.

         

        [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

        You're still operating under the assumption that men are generally trustworthy and women are not. I feel like whilst you understand the inherent (and perceived morally as negative) traits of women, you're failing to let go of a certain condescending anger towards them.

        Without proof, baseless assumptions like yours will only make you more bitter, and even applying cold logic to this thought process, this makes you less sociable and attractive.

        [–]NeoreactionSafe 20 points21 points  (4 children)

         

        If you can't trust your friends they aren't your friends.

        I've known plenty of slimy scumbag type males who are con men who say one thing and do another, but you don't become friends with those types. (or watch them closely if you do)

        Friendship is based on mutual trust.

        Your word either means something or it doesn't.

        Repeated trust based behavior builds up over the years so an old friend (I've known one for 50 years... I'm 56) can be trusted a great deal.

        If you can't be trusted you are not given access to friendship status and are always of "acquaintance" status. (less)

         

        With women you typically go after the pussy first then find out her personality afterwards.

        Some women can be trusted to a degree... others cannot be trusted even for basic things.

         

        [–]WolfofAnarchy 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        Your last sentence can be applied to men as well

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          [–]WolfofAnarchy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Calm your tits. He's saying it like it only applies to women.

          [–]GuruDev1000 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          I agree with /u/bountyhunterdjango. The way you are describing the genders makes men look more honourable. But as someone who spends most of his time among betas, I have seen how most men will ignore reality and pursue their urges to the detriment of those around them and even their own selves--just like most women.

          [–]NeoreactionSafe 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          It's a new generation.

          I'm 56 years old... we were at least a little more masculine once.

          Each year the television convinces people to accept things that aren't true or as we call it the "Blue Pill".

           

          [–]GuruDev1000 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I respect the experience of your age. I agree that men might have been more masculine in the past. But that doesn't mean masculine is always aiming at looking at reality. I think it's two different qualities altogether.

          [–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          No, actually when we say "masculine" we actually mean reality.

          The feminine (Blue Pill) is:

           

          • Feelz before Reals

           

          The masculine is:

           

          • Reals before Feelz

           

          ...so as we "progress" deeper and deeper into the Blue Pill mythology we go further and further from the real or more simply "objective reality".

          The world is falling into a globalist Blue Pill mythology... a dreamworld... a nightmare.

          It's much like the metaphor of the "Whore of Babylon".

          For those who are aware of occult symbolism it's the "Left Hand Path". (666)

          We are in a sense collectively all going to hell. (Blue Pill mythology)

           

          [–]vorenak 9 points10 points  (2 children)

          Whenever you meet a woman for the first time. I noticed today that there is a brief period of time when she looks at you and does not say anything. It lasts for a few seconds and if you have not said anything she loses interest in you. Has anyone experienced this before?

          [–]thibi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          It's the period of initial impression that all women have.

          While I'm lacking in relationship experience, my job has given me the experience of many thousands of such encounters.

          [–]godfatherchimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          All you have to do is hold eye contact with her during this period until she breaks it

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          [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (3 children)

          Actually, not everyone is equally broken and fucked up. In fact, everyone being equally so would be such a rare event as to be impossible practically. I think it is perfectly rational for a less fucked up person to look around and think "why are so many people really badly fucked up?".

          [–]openoids 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          I understand what you mean by "nature," but keep in mind that there is usually a struggle that goes on inside us. There would probably be a lot more violence and cruelty if we didn't rise above our baser nature. My point is that we should attempt to integrate the 2 sides of ourselves for own sake as well as society's.

          [–]AussiePhil82 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          You're not above acting like a fucking prick, so why expect her to be above acting like a slut?

          But, you should be above that.

          Being able to control our emotions and behaviour to conform to the expectations of a civilised society is what separates man from beast. To blame biology for shitty behaviour is a cop out.

          [–]segagaga 14 points15 points  (2 children)

          I don't hate women.

          What I hate is the lies and the manipulation.

          I don't believe that hypergamy under any circumstances absolves women of their responsibilities to others. If part of civilization requires men to rein in their natural instincts, then it is only fair to ask women to do the same.

          Its a double standard to ask men not to do A and B, when women get to do A and B and C and D and then blame men for their own actions and then claim they are owed for it.

          [–]Godskook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          There SHOULD be a double standard, imho.

          Or to put it another way: Do you have a double standard when you feed Dogs X and feed Cats Y? Yes and no.

          Yes, men and women should have different standards of conduct, but Women shouldn't be notably advantaged for it, nor should they be allowed to abuse men with it.

          For instance, no amount of redpilling will convince me that its equally ok to hit men and women. I have a double standard there. On the flipside, I'll come down HARD on my daughters if I catch them abusing this standard, and they'll know it.

          As another example, I'm actually ok with Alimony in man's-fault divorce. On the other hand, I don't think men having extramarital sex qualifies for "fault". The things I object to are no-fault divorces favoring women and women who cheat on their husbands.

          [–]marty2k 20 points21 points  (3 children)

          I've realized the hatred of women from people like us comes from having unrealistic expectations of women shaped by the mass media and society.

          If I expect a cat to play fetch, retrieve the paper, and be an overly playful companion. I'll think every cat sucks because that's not a cat's nature. But if I understand a cat's nature I can realize it's nothing like a dog, and I can adjust my expectations and see what cats actually do offer as companions.

          [–]RobertCarraway 12 points13 points  (1 child)

          Bingo.

          Men, train your sons well to hold realistic views of women. Keep them away from Disney. We can save our sons the deep disappointment many of us experienced.

          [–]KidGrizz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Even if you dont have sons, please teach young dudes or guide then to TRP. All males need this sht!!! My dad was red pill and didn't teach me sht about women! My uncle too didnt teach me sht.Caused me a lot of blue pill years. That teen at the barbershop, that cool cashier, the door man, if you happen to get a coulpe conversations, tell them about trp. I know some betas wont be with it, but you will save some duds. Make a difference guys. It will pay off.

          [–]Returnofthemack3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          yep. Not to mention that men are literally shamed nowadays for being men. were constantly bombarded with negativity and the demonization of our gender, so it should come as no surprise that men are PISSED after they figure it out. It's a shitty situation

          [–]AB_R 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          I can only agree with that. I had a short, bitter phase when I unplugged, though many of the truths were already clear to me, so I it wasn't as harsh as being hit by truck. Then I saw how all the people who are successful in life and with women treat them and simply reframe their view. Sure, women want to have sex with the guy who has the best genes/has the best outlook for raising children, sure they might branch swing and all that. Is that a bad thing? Then freaking let them do that. Make an open-relationship, which is the healthiest thing out there anyway. You don't get locked down, she doesn't get locked down and you'll probably still end up spending most of your time together. There is no cheating involved, if you give her the freedom to have sex with other dudes beforehand. All the while you get all these other girls, too. Even easier than before, since many will see you with this one girl who already approved your status, which makes game so much easier.

          [–]casemodsalt 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          avoid them, good luck

          You must be prince fucking charming because if it weren't for me actually putting in some effort, decent women would never even look at me. I'm sure most guys feel the same way. And I'm tall and decent looking.

          [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Granted I'm, genetically wise, pretty lucky; but I was referring more to general interactions in that sentence, although I can't guarantee how far even these are affected by the rules of attraction.

          [–]Kruppstahlterminator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I also often recognized that many guys criticize women for being attracted to certain kinds of guys - while no man recognizes he's doing the same when he excludes ugly women from his dating pool.

          [–]NewTRPGuy 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Deep down, I truly hate all women. I like sex, but I have such a festering rage towards them that my mind can't allow me to enjoy the company of one. Hating women makes me want to avoid them completely and I do.

          [–]circlhat 4 points5 points  (7 children)

          sigh.. yet another don't hate woman post, even though i never met a single person who hated woman but rather hated a single person who happen to be a woman, no one hates women, it doesn't make since.

          people don't understand women due to a feminized culture,

          might help you with weights

          completely pointless when getting women...

          [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

          Look at some of the replies here, people do hate women in this sub. Or at least believe in a huge sense of superiority over females.

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            [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

            If physical and mental capability (as a general rule and ignoring the fact that, practically speaking, men's superior mental capacities don't hold a lot of weight considering the amount of women that are far more intelligent than both of us) are your only constitutions of superiority then, sure.

            But I know plenty of people that are less fit and less smart (academic wise) than me, and I certainly don't consider myself superior to them.

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              [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              1) 'Mentally superior' infers intelligence 2) Because there are more factors to a person's characters than these. I know skinnier, smaller people than me that could win in a fight, and less academically smart people likely to be more financially successful than me. And like you said, you can't even wholly measure intelligence, so it's foolish to generalise men being mentally superior in any feasible way. Your 'controlled by emotions' statement is pure rhetoric.

              [–]NewTRPGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Are you kidding me? I'm definitely one of those people who hate women. Everything about them makes my fucking skin crawl. I practically write all women off the moment I see them, my mind starts to remember what it's like dealing with one.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I really don't think that the effort needed to put in to understand most women is worth it. I have other, better things. I want to do with my time than basically be some females bitch for no good reason.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Good post. Most of us internalize this sentiment post red-pill ingestion, some sooner than others. Eventually you just start spinning plates, do your own thing, lift, find new skanks and stack cash.

              [–]HedoNNN 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I've adopted Pook's philosophy on this topic with much success:
              Don't try to understand women, just love them.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              The only reason you'd hate them for being like this is out of your own insecurity. Nobody was ever entitled to anything. Sitting there playing the blame game with the laws of nature is hypocritical. It's not your environment that's holding you back, it's your own bullshit. That's what this sub is about. Noticing and retaliating against your own shitty head. It's not even about being more successful with your game, it's about being a genuine goddamn person and destroying the things blocking you from being your actual self as opposed to living out of beta insecurity.

              [–]TyrannicalWill 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              By that logic, I shouldn't hate snakes for biting me, I shouldn't hate spiders for scaring me, and I shouldn't hate rapists for raping me or murderers for murdering me. It's just in their biology. Why condemn crimes? Why do jurors have opinions? Behavior is amoral, right? Why attach values to behavior?

              What if I am a slave to my morals, this moral-seeking behavior is amoral, correct, so why are you applying moral values to my amoral behavior?

              Also why does hating the behavior equate to hating the actor? Is it not true that in instances where a female demonstrates altruistic behavior, I could approve of that behavior while not asserting anything of the actor?

              [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Your last paragraph is exactly the point I'm making in the post.

              [–]Godskook 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Fucking THANK YOU.

              I get sick and tired of reading all the ragers pass off their bitterness about swallowing the pill as actual theory.

              I'd love to see this stickied.

              [–]Rommel0502 8 points9 points  (1 child)

              You can't hate a woman for who she is anymore you can hate a dog for being a dog. Its just how they're made. Getting pissed at nature/God/whatever is a fruitless endeavor and just clouds your focus.

              Accept the game that has been set up for you. Bitching about the rules does you not a shred of good.

              [–]suckmuckduck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              You can't understand them that's the problem. I mean, they would love to have all of the "privileges" that we have, but for some reason, we're the ones going down on the Titanic while they are in the lifeboats. Secondly, they blame all of their problems on us, so....

              [–]mcr00sterdota 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I think Rollo Tomassi's books explain female behavior quite well.

              [–]FailingBillionaire 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              That's the dumbest thing I've read here in a long time. It's not factually wrong, but it's like writing an essay on why you have to wear pants when you go outside.

              Glad you're​ making progress though. Next time write an essay on why the dick goes in the mumu.

              [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Haha, well bud I wish it was as obvious as that, but judging by many of the replies at least a few folk here don't agree.

              [–]aiguo888 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I'm openly hostile. Women love me. I'm reasonably good looking though and not an angry neckbeard for what it's worth.

              [–]tolerantman 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Women deserve to be hated, the more the better.

              [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Username absolutely doesn't check out

              [–]DarkuSchneider 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Hate the game not the player, it cuts both ways. The real game is nature. Nature is not nice or fair so don't take it personally. Be aware and navigate its perils wisely. It has always been survival of the fittest and gives 0 fucks about moral outrage. That's partly where the anger phase comes from when someone realizes they don't measure up and/or were doing it wrong. Hating women is a waste of energy and time. They are often oblivious of the forces at play in their heads at least in the same way we are. Just know what's going on in her head and yours and work it to your favor as much as possible. One of my martial arts teacher said your state of mind colors your actions and can corrupt the desired outcome.

              [–]NatchezT 3 points4 points  (3 children)

              So learn to like them so you can fuck them?

              Brilliant

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                [–]openoids 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                There is a middle ground or something closer to it then this machiavellian, pig rut contest that's bandied about. I have met a few women that had similar interests, but I can relate to what you say. People are multifaceted and their is commonality between the sexes even if their genetic strategies are not parallels. Read "the red queen" by matt ridley, perhaps. Understanding that all living organisms are vehicles for genes and we're stuck for the ride, is a useful template imo.

                [–]NewTRPGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                So what do you do when you're speaking to them? You 'fake' interest in what they're saying?

                [–]Johndoesmith67 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                At the end of the day. We as men have over 1000000% more say in where we end up in life than women do. We have the say, we bring in resources....Don't forget what you are. A man.

                [–]the1mancircus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                It seems like the issue for men tends to be oriented around the fact that they are by default, seemingly incapable of communicating in a way that women are receptive to and enjoy. They want to speak linearly, logically, rationally. Like an interrogator to and suspect. I see it all the time in bars and other venues. Women hate it.

                As a result of their failure to understand how women prefer to communicate, men don't see the benefit and fun that women can bring to their lives. After the bridge of failure I mention has been crossed, AND the fork in the road -- that OP has alluded to is approached -- many guys, the guys OP is trying to reach here, retreat into a life full of profuse masturbation and pornography, and an absolute detachment from any sort of interaction with women.

                The solution? Learn to communicate in a way that women are receptive to and enjoy.

                It's all about the feelZZZ, the roll of emotion, high and low, and nonlinearity in flow of conversation. If you're teasing, playfully interjecting non-sequiturs, and constantly surprising them -- in direction and your titanic grasp on "not giving one fuck" of the outcome, what she thinks or how an interaction goes, etc., -- you will find that women, suddenly, become more receptive to you.

                I write at length about this idea of speaking "womanese" here...

                https://hamsterhacks.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/womanese-101-an-intro-to-preserving-sanity/

                Guys struggling to understand the nature of feminine communication might benefit from giving it a glance. (This not intended to be spammy or whatever. I hate those fuckers)

                [–]Gunnilingus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Accepting female behavior and condoning it don't have to go hand-in-hand. I don't respect the solipsistic behavior of children, either. However, I accept that it's their nature, and doesn't make them bad or wrong - just less than ideal. Life is less than ideal, in general. It's not our fault that we were given unrealistic expectations of female behavior, but it isn't really their fault either. My wife is relatively self-aware, compared to most. When I call her out on being emotionally irrational, she often says "well, yeah. I'm a woman." Point she's making is, "yes I'm often emotionally irrational, of course I am, you knew and expected that before we even met, for that is the nature of my gender." Ultimately I think men who love and/or desire women are better for it, because that same female nature that we lament keeps us from slipping: Be in good shape, or women won't want you. Don't be poor, or women won't want you. Don't be boring and lame, or women won't want you. Be witty and confident, or women won't want you. Some of us would exhibit all the finest qualities without the drive to attract women: most of us wouldn't.

                [–]soulahola 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Nope I don't want a dominant confident man necessarily..A shy anxious person with a loving good heart will do

                [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Of course there are some exceptions to the rule, but the whole reason this sub was created is that as an extremely common general rule, women have sex with men who display 'alpha male' traits due to the fundamental principles of attraction.

                [–]sergeantbbbbs 0 points1 point  (7 children)

                Why would anyone hate confident, popular, dominant men in the first place? It's surely just a projection of your own insecurity. Being confident, popular and dominant does not make you an asshole

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                  [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                  1) "ready to strike" fuck me your tragic 2) great spelling there, I bet you've got an awesome job 3) you're a sociopath if you're not bullshitting about that so I'm guessing you live pretty fucking sad life, stop commenting since clearly you're not going to be able to help anyone around here improve 4) have you ever had sex? You really, really sound like you've never had sex

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                    [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    I want to add to this dude. In the mental state you're in right now, I know everything hurts and you probably really want to disagree with whatever I say, but please hear me out, because I'm only saying it for you. We just got off on the wrong foot because it annoyed me when you called me a faggot, but actually there's no need for us to argue.

                    You've clearly made a decent amount of progress man, it's great that you're working on your confidence and discipline, and if you're on this sub you're also lifting which is excellent. Now I know you've complained in the past that people think you're ugly, but at the end of the day if you get ripped and you lead an interesting life, you will (and I really mean will) meet women! It's inevitable.

                    Now the only problem is that you've developed a huge amount of hatred in the process. It's not your fault. People have been mean to you I'm guessing, and you weren't a winner in the genetic lottery. It's annoying to see other people get what you want with zero effort. But this isn't their fault. It's the universe's. So yeah, fuck the cold indifferent universe we live in, but it can't think, and it can't feel, and any angle you direct towards it is wasted.

                    So use that anger to lift weights and be disciplined. But don't hate other people. Stand up for yourself sure, don't take any shit, but don't be outwardly aggressive. It isn't attractive to women, it isn't going to build helpful friendships, and it isn't going to make you a better person.

                    If I could give you some advice, start meditating to supplement your workouts, it will cool your head and improve your mood. Then carry on working out and improving your lifestyle, but also be kind and caring and form genuine friendships with people you care about who will care about you in return.

                    I used to be a pretty unattractive kid, although granted I always had an okay face. Now, through work, I'm pretty hot and I get laid easily. But after you've fucked a few hot girls the novelty wears off and it's my friendships that truly make me happy. All we have on this Earth is each other.

                    You have no reason to take my advice, but I sincerely hope you do friend.

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                      [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      I appreciate that man, and I also apologise for my reaction, it's been a bad day. Wish you the very best also, you're on track dude.

                      [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Clicked on your profile, saw you post mainly to forever alone and asked a couple weeks ago about how to improve your confidence, so now I feel a bit bad since you're clearly trying to combat your insecurity with a weird amount of aggression.

                      The blood thing was, again, very funny though. Relax dude. You might think everyone in the world is a cunt at the moment, but if you're hostile to everyone and can't make genuine friendships you're gonna have a really miserable, pathetic life. Just my two cents.

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                      [–]bountyhunterdjango[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                      God you're so fucking cool man, I can't decide whether it was the word faggot or the utter retardness of completely undermining your own point by typing out that comment, but everyone here knows just how cool you are now.

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                        [–]AntiAbleism 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        I don't hate women. They hate me for being Autistic. Here's another one: "Don't hate Autistic men, understand them."

                        [–]HowlSkank 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Man, this for me is the hardest part of life post-pill. And I'm not talking about the anger stage or whatever, i'd like to think i'm waaaaay past that, after a few years in the promised land. At first I really used RP knowledge to up my game and spin plates, but I gave up on that when i began to find it unfulfilling so I quit to focus on myself. Now a year or so later, I am just grossed out by women. I see them, just being their normal phony, dumb selves, and i can't even summon up the slightest bit of attraction. I try to bang one every so often just to make sure my pipes still work, but it is so difficult to even get it up for them, even when they're sexy. Sigh. Oh well, nothing left to do but get rich and solve all the world's problems, I guess. Could definitely be worse.

                        [–]godfatherchimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Their search for a mate, independent of morality, is an instinctual need to track down specific genes, and it's a great example of our cold, indifferent universe that is completely at odds with the "win the girl by being nice!/yourself!" sentiment the emotional world of movies teaches us as children.

                        Bingo. In my opinion, a lot of the "anger phase" is just guys coming to terms with the fact that their worldview was based on the Just-World Fallacy, and it's been shattered by TRP truths.

                        [–]AglLifestyles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        After reading The Rational Male, I've come to realize the power of hypergamy. For sex, it really just comes down to how emotionally stimulated the girl is at the time. This article even has a formula for arousal: https://www.agllifestyles.com/how-to-get-a-girl-to-have-sex/

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