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Always make sure you give her tingles, be alpha, and fuck her silly, or you'll end up like these guys. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Tacticalogistics

http://archive.is/5hLOr

Basically, a bunch of ladies over at you know where, lamented on how they've broken off relationships with guys that were handsome, smart, and funny, basically, as one woman put it, "good on paper". But for some weird reason, they had ZERO attraction to. Some women were so disgusted and fed up with their attractive, smart, funny SOs that they ended breaking off engagements. Here are two of my favorites:

wish I could lie and say that the love grew in time and now I cannot imagine being without that person. But it would be a lie. I refused to commit because I wasn't desiring them, they were just an excellent "on paper" match and was buying time for the chemistry to develop. During that bought time, someone sexy-to-my-loins entered my life and I went with the sexy one, instead. Usually to a bad end, because my picker was so excited that I found them sexy that it overlooked all the other incompatibilities we had. So sorry, no good news here.

You see guys, she would rather date someone who was "sexy to her loins", but was completely bad match everywhere else, instead of a guy that's "good on paper".

Girls love the CC and the alphas they ride. So much so, that they would be willing to go through a "bad end" than be stuck with a man who's "good on paper".

Here's another lass who THOUGHT she liked "nice guys" too:

Wouldn't recommend. I tried dating a guy that I wasn't super physically attracted to because he was a nice guy and we had a lot in common.

Note: She says "super physically attracted to". She's never been with a guy like that because he's probably a super model, what she meant to say was "An alpha that gave me tingles". As we all know, looks help, but but showing alpha traits and preselection, help way more.

I figured I shouldn't be shallow and reject him just because he wasn't my type physically. I tried to make it happen for like six months but I finally got to the point where I couldn't stand to be around him. I looked very every excuse in the book not to have to see him towards the end. One night I went to his place and he started trying to initiate sex with me and I was sooooo not into it. Not even a little bit. I broke up with him then and there (not the best way to handle it, but I was young).

Notice, how she "couldn't stand to be around him", damn. I imagine that's the same feeling the Portland Trailblazers had when they realized the mistake they made in picking Sam Bowie 2nd Overall instead of Michael Jordan. She continues:

I still remember the drive home and how light and free I felt. I sang to the radio at the top of my lungs. It was definitely the right decision. I know he really liked me though and I feel bad because I know I did really hurt him. I have no idea where he is now but I hope that he's happy and found someone who loves him.

While bluepill Brian was devastated and crushed that his girlfriend of six months kicked him to the curb without batting an eye, she was blasting the radio and singing her heart out to Taylor Swift, feeling "light and free".

Here's one more:

my ex, with whom i was with for four years was amaze balls. in retrospect, every man i've dated since, has turned out pretty terribly. with that being said, the spark was missing in that relationship and while he was so wonderful, i sensed in myself a desire to push my limits. i was worried that if we did settle down and get married, i would cheat on him or just be mean, so as to see how far i could

Do I even have to say anything in this one? It's like she almost became self-aware. How many times have you read something similar to this. A women will grow contempt for a beta and torture him to see how much she can get away with.

These weren't even the worst ones.

Obligatory, AWALT


[–]OmegaMan2 229 points230 points  (43 children)

WOW. This is absolutely mind blowing, but true, ALL OF IT. This is what women really think about betas, and God help you is she decides to marry you for your resources alone. Your life will be a living hell.

The hidden lesson here is to be the best version of yourself that you can be, that is LIFT, and lift some more, dress well, etc., etc., etc....

That and learning the principles of Game, such as mastering shit tests, soft dread, abundance mindset, amused mastery and other topics mentioned in the sidebar. It also goes to show that you must escalate at all times, and if she doesn't respond, well NEXT...

The best relationships I've ever had were the ones where we had sex on the first date. Not the third, second or fourth, but the FIRST. That is my experience anyway.

[–]RedDeadlift 65 points66 points  (13 children)

100% agreed about the best relationships beginning sex on the first date. Quick sexual escalation that is positively received firmly establishes the natural masculine/feminine roles in the relationship making it more likely to last.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 61 points62 points  (3 children)

One of the complications of this is that sluts are easy to bed on first dates, but they make lousy LTR candidates.

The type of girl who is better suited for long-term pair bonding WILL sleep with you on the first date, but your game has to be SOLID.

So if your goal is to have a LTR, you must improve in two general areas: executing solid game, and identifying the correct girls on whom to execute that game.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Quick sexual escalation

This is the key, not the sex. The women that have been the most attracted to me I kissed within 15 minutes of meeting them. This definitely makes you stand out as extremely dominant compared to most of the men she has known in her life.

[–]daemon58 0 points1 point  (1 child)

But isn't your whole philosophy that those type of women are 'sluts'? How do they then make good LTR material in your eyes? Or are you assuming you're the first 'alpha' that she's met in her life?

Seems like a logical paradox.

[–]RedDeadlift 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is a bit of a paradox, but allow me to explain. I am drawing this more from personal experience rather than theory.

Case #1: You Are Her Alpha

Two times in my life, sex on the first date led to great 2-3 year LTRs: the girl was fairly young (19-23) when we met, and was not raised in a western society. I could tell there was a fast emotional attachment and great chemistry. No drinking or drugs. She was very keen on following my lead and there was obvious inexperience in bed. It was a case where she fell quickly and it was not a usual experience.

I even hung out with one of these girls about a year after we broke up. She was still attracted to me but was dating someone else and she refused to do anything sexual even though she was attracted. One of the most loyal girls I have ever met even though she slept with me on the first date.

Case #2: Slut

Other women who I have had sex with on the first date where obviously I was just another cock on the carousel. These women were a bit more jaded and you could just tell they were not the kind to get attached. They were just chasing pleasure. Probably 90%+ of the girls who do have sex on the first date will fall into this category. 99%+ if she was raised in a western society.

Case 3: Women Who Wait To Have Sex

What is also interesting is I have dated women who waited 3-5 dates and/or weeks before having sex. While they were certainly more faithful than Case 2 (sluts) above, I found they were more likely to cheat than Case 1 above, even though they waited longer to have sex with me. My theory is that this is because she did not put me in the dominant alpha category when we first met, she waited to have sex and tested me a bit more. I eventually passed, but she didn't absolutely fall head over heels for me like girls in case #1. This is why I think these girls are more likely to cheat even though they waited longer to have sex with me.

The girls in case 1 are definitely an exception, but my point is that sometimes sex on the first date does not mean she is a slut and if she really falls for you and becomes attached right away, she may be more faithful than most of girls out there.

It really all depends on the circumstance and sometimes it can be hard to tell. The theory on TRP is definitely based in fact, but all of us must still remember that everything isn't black and white, relax and read the situation, use your knowledge as a base but also listen to your gut. People are very different from each other.

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    [–]Rommel0502 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Haha. Well put. On the extreme other side, don't be that guy who she makes wait because "she doesn't want to make any more mistakes."

    [–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (11 children)

    I found this quote so interesting, I brought it up to a lady friend. She confirmed what we all know to be true, by saying the guys she fucks on the first date are not guys she wants to build a relationship with, aka beta bucks alpha fucks.

    I say you want to be in the middle. You want her to fuck on the first date, and you want her to have the hope of building a relationship with you.

    [–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (6 children)

    Here is the paradox, we all want women to fuck us on the first date but we think that if she does she is not LTR material. We all want a virgin who magically becomes a slut, just for us

    [–]no_face 41 points42 points  (1 child)

    And women want an alpha who becomes beta just for them

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Damn straight. When a woman says "I wish he was more sensitive, caring, listend more, spent more time with me". She only refers to Chad, not Billy Beta who is already all of those things but provides no tingles.

    [–]RedDeadCred 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    How is wanting investment and wanting exclusivity a paradox?

    [–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    That's not a paradox if it's not referring to the same girl, that's just a man wanting to have sex versus a man who wants to be with a woman who isn't a gigantic whore unable to pair bond.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    "That's not a paradox", you then proceed to bisect the paradox....

    [–]Returnofthemack3 18 points19 points  (1 child)

    I don't think fucking on the first date is as important as people are making it tbh. Id say within 3-4 dates depending on the girl. LIke all things, it's contextual

    [–]Ohdangwaddup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Of course, but the point is that this does not depend on anything the girl does or how she is. It all depends on whether you're doing the right things or not.

    The exception of the rule does not invalidate the rule.

    [–]Tacticalogistics[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    According to this guy, being in the "middle" aka having equal comfort/sexual vibes makes it harder for her to decide to fuck you, because women want to put you in a box so they can know how to handle you. https://youtu.be/kz_G8PuFrnc

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I don't think that sex on the first date is the ultimate indicator of attraction. If you are good with logistics and pulling, women will fuck you just because you are there and there's no downside, often with kind of meh attraction.

    [–]bigredchewinggum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Pretty valid point here. Never really thought of it like that.

    [–]grewapair 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    It's also why you shouldn't envy rich guys.

    Same effect, but the women actually stick around and pretend, at least until the wedding.

    [–]solarcon6 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    You guys are wrong.

    Lesson learned is: if she is looking for tingles, she's no LTR material. This is the whole lesson.

    No man, not even the Tyler Durden himself, can give woman the tingles forever. Every man gets sometimes sick, weak, broken. RP men understand, that 1. all tingles are impermanent 2. by accepting the impermanence of all tingles, we can a) escape oneitis b) embrace the real beauty of life and people around us. By thinking, man has to lift and lift to escape his decay, he gets trapped in the circle of suffering. Man has to lift to be just the strongest version of himself, yet accept, that there are powers beyond himself.

    We got two choices: just spin plates and DGAF about their tingles, or carefully choose people, whose actions are not based on their emotions.

    [–]spinalmemes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Makes sense. Why waste time only to find theres no sexual chemistry.

    [–]lqtys 28 points29 points  (4 children)

    Who the hell did downvote you? You had 0 points when I read this, I've upvoted you. This sub is full of trolls and womyn trying to shut down and sabotaging us.

    [–]OmegaMan2 73 points74 points  (3 children)

    Thank you for your vote of confidence.

    What I write in support of the Red Pill was learned through bitter experience. My entire 20s were a wasteland of rejection and involuntary celibacy. I had no dates, no girl-friends, nobody. It wasn't until my early 30s that I started lifting, and in reality not giving a F*** that things started to turn around.

    If I get down voted then so be it, but I will always try to contribute something positive to this forum.

    [–]BreathOfDick 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Confessions of a reformed incel must've made your blood curdle

    [–]1empatheticapathetic 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    You give me hope. I'm 27 and same experience so far. Just moved city today (moved in an hour ago) and hope to completely turn my life around. Cheers

    [–]Askada 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    bitter experience

    TRP was built on bitter experiences.

    [–]GlennBeckAmerica 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    If this blows your mind, you need to start mainlining the red pill. This shit shouldnt surprise you.

    [–]pongpong123able 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    I couldn't have a relationship with someone who sleeps with me on the first date.

    [–]Pintsmithy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    I'm guessing this isn't an issue.

    [–]CunkToad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I'm pretty sure the best version of yourself doesn't just lift mate. There's way more to that than dropping some weights in gym.

    Do you even cardio? Endurance is like... really important buddy.

    [–]trpraducu 149 points150 points  (15 children)

    Lessons learnt: if she doesn't give you the Brad Pitt treatment, walk away.
    If she doesn't touch you, initiate sex with you, there's no spark in her eyes when she sees you, if she doesn't defer to you, if she doesn't go out of her way for you, end it.
    Don't kid yourself, attraction does not build up with time. It's there or it's not.

    [–]5kevin 32 points33 points  (6 children)

    You're right attraction doesnt build up with time. It's built with game , pre-selection , non-neediness and passing shit tests.

    With that being said its much easier to lose all attraction by making one or several beta mistakes depending how much she likes you than it is to game her and build the image of yourself in her head.

    [–]Conceited-Monkey 32 points33 points  (5 children)

    Attraction happens in a minute or less. If she is actually attracted to you, she is not going to throw a whole pile of shit tests at you.

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      [–]Oz70NYC 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      Even if she's attracted to you from go, it's in her natural instincts to try and discredit her attraction. That's where shit tests come from. She's trying to validate that her attraction is false so she doesn't relinquish control. Learning game and how to hold frame is the counter to this. Doing so gives her tingles, and tears down her notions that the attraction is artificial.

      It never ends, because she's going to constantly test you. Consistency in hold frame, escalation, kino and continued establishment of your SMV being higher then hers is how you maintain her attraction to you.

      [–]Suppressive_Fire 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      "Game" is a media invention created to turn dating into a profitable industry. It's an idea that an entire economy of products can center around.

      [–]Conceited-Monkey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This depends what you mean by "game". If you mean having the social ability to close the deal with a woman who is attracted to you, then sure, you can call it "game", or basic social skills, or whatever. If you are talking about "game" as the ability to make a woman attracted to you through your internal mindset along with verbal and non-verbal communication, that is fictional.

      [–]5kevin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Chances are if she's high value , she will throw more shit tests because she is attracted. You have to understand that hot girls have to screen for alphas because of the large amount of guys that approach her.

      [–]kaane 52 points53 points  (0 children)

      In another words, you can't negotiate genuine attraction

      [–]BehrGris 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      This is why I've come to believe that cold approach/getting laid should be easy, and not involve trying to attract 100 women a day and overanalyzing. All the women I've had flings with were easy, didn't put up a huge fight or make me wait a long time for sex. If she's attracted to you, she'll be sure to show you from the very start.

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        [–]OnTheGoBro 16 points17 points  (1 child)

        Persuading you to adopt several children from all over the world; chopping off her tits and expecting you to stay then leaving you to go find a better match for her princess Diana fantasies.

        [–]trpraducu 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Basically whenever a woman is bullshitting you with "we need to go slow"/"you have to prove yourself to me first"/"relationships are hard work", you ask yourself: "If I was Brad Pitt, how would she treat me?".
        Do you think she'd hesitate to blow Brad Pitt under the table at McDonald's on a blind date?
        You can replace Brad Pitt with "the best male she thinks she's entitled to".

        [–]Compeliminator 39 points40 points  (17 children)

        The best way to be is to absolutely not give one single shit one way or the other whether they leave stay like you or dont. please yourself when you are with them whether its sex or some activity you are doing .to worry about whether you fucked them good enough is to allow thier opinion of you to matter. IT DOES NOT. The funny thing is that this is what makes them want to stay with you more than anything else including how well you fucked them . Ive had unbelievable sexual chemistry with a few women that i cared deeply about and and then ive had average sex with women i liked but didnt really care about. Guess which group stayed around

        [–]theONE843663 24 points25 points  (15 children)

        Lemme sum up your comment in a one liner: "Don't eat pussy for her, eat it for you!... and if you don't like eating pussy, then WTF are you doin' down there BOI?"

        [–]BreathOfDick 19 points20 points  (14 children)

        Eyyy it's one of the 1/10000 red pillers that understands cunnilingus gets women off 100x more than throwing them around slapping their ass pulling their hair and donkey punching

        [–]czatara 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        But it is much less fun than all these other options...

        Also, don't forget throat cancer.

        [–]Newreddawn 4 points5 points  (10 children)

        Wrong. Try it again when you know how to dominate a woman properly. Pussy licking as a go to is bush league.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Lmao are you like 15 years old?

        [–]curiously_crazy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Yeah I'm with ya one that. I never go down on a chick, because frankly it's not my thing. Each to their own and all that.

        It hasn't however stopped them from always being the one hanging for sex, and after foreplay the one trying to pull my cock inside em.

        In my mid 30's.

        [–]Eat_Animals 2 points3 points  (7 children)

        "Bush" league. I see what you did there, even if you didn't.

        [–]theONE843663 3 points4 points  (6 children)

        I once licked the the fuck out of a hairy Paki girl... Needless to say, she had the full of Bush down there. I got a free flossing that day so I didn't floss my teeth. I concluded this cuz I had pussy hair stuck between my incisors.

        Needless to say, when you eat pussy and you enjoy it (which you should; but tastes differ), the bitch will enjoy it much more.

        [–]theONE843663 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        Eyyy man what you mentioned is also important too! You gotta get them both ways man. You gotta eat pussy, eat it like you mean it you know. Girl says it's her time of the month? "Don't worry babe I'm a vampire!" She be like "lol waaat?" Then I'm like: "Bloody Marie's my favourite Drink...If you didn't catch the drift earlier!"... 5/8 times they weren't on their period... The two that were, one of them str8 up declines...But the other one.... Shit goes down man. I'm eating bloody Mary like it's no tomorrow!

        But at the same time, you also gotta fuck it like an animal dawg. Like you don't give a fuck there's a tiger 300 meters away and you gotta get this job done! You gotta fucking transfer this load str8 into her damn ovaries and bail on that MuthaFuckah! cuz nobody ain't about to die in this shit brah!

        But it's aii bro you live another day, you fuck another bitch! Hope your DNA somehow gets in there haha!

        I hope the girl survives tho still...! (but we all know she deader than her dead grandma's retarded cousin who went by the alas of "Tom the TweeKer!!!")

        Note* it was actually a sabertooth tiger even more dangerous.

        [–]Returnofthemack3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        yeah fuck em and enjoy the time while it lasts, fuck worrying about their fleeting, irrational feelings lol. The minute I gave up on finding 'the one', or worrying about a family and kids, was the minute I truly started living tbh. Previoulsy, settling down made sense due to societal constructs and norms, but nowadays? You're taking huge risks for little reward. No thanks

        [–]Endorsed ContributorUrsusG 120 points121 points  (3 children)

        The first two women actually sound pretty decent in their sincerity.

        It seems they too had been duped by the blue pill narrative, only to realize attraction and relationships don't work that way.

        The last comment, though, is from a cunt indeed, no doubts there.

        [–]dicarlok 61 points62 points  (1 child)

        Honestly I prefer the last one. I would rather have a woman who knows what she's like and handles it before it get terrible, than does some of the fucked up shit we've seen on this sub.

        [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 53 points54 points  (0 children)

        Guilt and co-dependent habits are signs of submissiveness. Women with those traits tend to make better LTRs, because their neediness makes them eager to please so they can hold on to man who will guide and lead them.

        A "woman who knows what she's like and handles it" is more likely to have a masculine demeanour, making her a better candidate for the cock carousel. You can make them into intense and short-lived fuck buddies.

        Figure out what you want, and choose the right woman to suit your needs.

        [–]circlhat 58 points59 points  (3 children)

        Honestly I think you put way to much pressure of men to preform if something is wrong it's your fault, I believe this is a attempt to control things by always blaming yourself.

        I been with women who orgasm in 15 minutes , and some who never had a orgasm.

        The ones who saw me as alpha had a easier time getting off, and preferred rougher things.

        A woman will not be attracted to you if you

        1. buy her to many things
        2. she perceives you can only get her
        3. You want sex to often to the point were it's a insecurity
        4. Various other things that have nothing to do with you

        [–]Tacticalogistics[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        All perfect points. I might use this in a future post. Of course you'll get the credit, good sir.

        [–]vagbutters 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        good sir

        The use of this alone spells out to the world "I'm a neckbeard." Ditch this sort of nonsense

        [–]Tacticalogistics[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Lol really, I always use it ironically because I think it's funny that neckbeards at my suuuuper liberal colleg use the phrase seriously. Immature 20 year old shit I guess.

        [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

        AWALT, some are just better at acting.

        Females weave illusion, thats their thing. To be red pill is to dispel illusion and see reality.

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        [–]KageRyu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You should post these questions to /asktrp/ instead. You'll get a better answer there instead of in the comments section here.

        [–]vagbutters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Learn to let go and live life; what you're experiencing is a common issue when your head is too far into TRP and the gynocentric society we live in.

        Understand one thing: the society we live in won't change anytime soon. Live your life for you-- take care of your health, fuck numerous women, have fun, and work hard. Shit like feminism and sluts being sluts becomes more of a background theme than an issue in your life. "The storms come and go, the big fish eat the little fish, but I keep on paddling." (Varys, GoT)

        In other words, take a break from reading too much RP that has to do with shit like AWALT and focus on bettering/enjoying your life.

        [–]SovereignSoul76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You know resentment and hatred in your heart will eat away at you. You know it isn't good for you. You don't want to engage in activities that are bad for you, right? Find a way to fix it. Be pragmatic. You're a guy! You have the capacity! But it will take work. Hoping it just goes away on its own is what a bitch would do.

        [–]NiceKicksGabe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I read this and actually found some strength in your words. Put simply, you have power. Now, you have to harness it.

        [–]NumbersPrime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Excellent. Exactly the issue many of us are or have faced. Just picture it as delivered by Samuel L. in Ezekiel 25 : 17

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        At least you have a gf and a hole to bang

        [–]awakened1122 12 points13 points  (2 children)

        yep, just because someone's smart and handsome doesn't mean they're attractive.

        this even applies to male friends. i know several people who are buff, well-dressed, tall, smart, handsome, but they have boring personalities and they're not confident, so they're no fun to be around. if the guy's no fun to have as a friend for a man, then of course no woman will feel attracted to him.

        but there's something else important - chemistry. if there's no chemistry (like the first woman said), then she'll lose attraction, it doesn't matter how alpha you are. i know several guys who are alpha af but with some girls they just can't attract because that chemistry isn't there.

        it happens to me too. there are some hot girls who i lose attraction to simply because there's no chemistry between us.

        chemistry is the layer on top of the alpha layer, and the alpha layer is the foundation that's required for attraction. so if you're not alpha, she won't be attracted to you even if you do have chemistry. and if you're alpha, you may be able to fuck her, but without chemistry, the "relationship" won't last long. being alpha + chemistry is the key to making the "relationship" with the girl last.

        at TRP, many people talk about being alpha, but so many people ignore the chemistry part, which is so crucial (and it's a big reason for divorce. many people marry people they're attracted to but have no chemistry with. tada, marriage sucks and divorce ensues). i went through the mistake of just being alpha to every hot girl i could, and of course, it wasn't fun at all for me or the girl because there was always that underlying discomfort when there's a missing chemistry. but once i started only seeing girls i had chemistry with, which means it was more fun for me and the girl, then it made life much better

        [–]Specter242 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        One of my cousins once said that, "Chemistry ignites the fire but character keeps the flame going."

        [–]Tacticalogistics[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You make some very valid points. Chemistry is important.

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        [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children)

        Somehow I too accepted that men are inherently worthless and disposable and I feel alot better.

        It drives me self-improvement and accurately lowers my expectations of women to a point where I can enjoy them

        [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

        Yea obviously this girl did the guy wrong, but at the same time, he allowed himself to be led on. Painting women as these scheming masterminds who advertently destroy men's lives is silly. The point is, if you blindly entrust your future happiness to anyone, whether its a guy or a girl, you are willingly giving up all of your power to determine the course of your own life, and putting all the burden of your own happiness on another human, who will invariably dissapoint you, no matter how perfect they are.

        Everyone just wants to fall asleep and let life happen to them, but the results are never what you want. Teaching people to blame women is disempowering.

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        ahhhh ....the warm bath of no accountability and responsibility... and if things go sideways then I can play victim

        [–]Returnofthemack3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I hate this line of thinking. The man is still a victim here, so why are you unfairly placing blame on him? Legal and social institutions are all stacked against the average man, so it's not as if he just willfully ignored prevailing, common sense wisdom when he entrusted his future with a woman. Ultimately, the blame should mostly rest on society and women, who perpetuate this cycle of bullshit, knowingly or not.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        The thing is, men let them do it. If men weren't so thirsty for pussy all the time, women would have no power. So yeah, women perpetuate this shit but men let them do it.

        [–]Returnofthemack3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        agreed. As soon as you lower your expectations with women, life gets infinitely better. Living with the ideal that men and women are the same, or even that women are as rational as men, only results in hurt, pain, and wasted efforts. So many men would have better lives if they could internalize this, but society is hell bent on propagating the myth of female virtue and superiority at all turns. Sad, sad state of affairs for the average man

        [–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Somehow I too accepted that men are inherently worthless and disposable

        Inherently, yes, but the great thing about this is that we shape our own lives-- not like women where our youth and fertility bring us an easy life. You can be that fucking nobody who flips burgers for a living/works some shitty office job, faps to porn daily, plays video games all day, eats junk food, etc. or you can be the guy who is wealthy, fit, attractive, charming, and swims in poon.

        We all must make our choices on a day to day basis to define what we become. Will you be the fat fuck who eats cheesy puffs and lays around the house, or will you be the guy who watches his diet, lifts, and works smartly?

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Can't disagree with a word you say

        [–]SpicyTunaNinja 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Not needed, but just wanted to chime in that you are one of the few people who in my opinion, 'get it'. So disappointing when all you see on trp nowadays is ANGRY or insecure boys spouting off some bullshit about 1. Lift 2. Be alpha 3. Done! When in reality most here are so out of touch with reality and give of a sense of not having done much with their lives to have experiential reference points.

        There needs to be a balance of the various elements of trp, and judging from this one comment, seems like you got it.

        Keep up the good work

        [–]RideroftheRedHoes 38 points39 points  (27 children)

        I was one of those betas. I was literally an angel, brethren. I lived my life as a fucking angel, 21 years. I wasn't exaggerating when I said I was an angel man. I was someone cares about people, family, religion, god. I was literally pushing every single atom in my body to be a better person. This part is very important man I'm not fucking around. You couldn't find a single fucking person that would say "he did bad thing to me" or "he is a mean person". No bad thing could corrupt me. Nothing could. But then, I've seen pure evil man. Pure fucking evil.

        My soul was torn to infinite pieces. Torn by someone I gave my everything.

        This world doesn't deserve shit, nothing does.

        I had very strong morals, religion, emotions etc. All are lies. Evolutionary illusions only to keep our species alive.

        Well, now, I have no strings on me.

        [–]indivisibleremainder 19 points20 points  (8 children)

        I feel you. Many of us had to go through this kind of self-destruction and pain in order to wake up. I just hope you haven't become a total nihilist.

        Do not let bitterness overcome you. Do not take revenge against the universe for making you suffer.

        The Necessity of Virtue

        [–]RideroftheRedHoes 12 points13 points  (7 children)

        Sorry bro but I'm done with any kind of morals, I will never let them get in my way anymore.

        I'm not going to do bad things just to do bad things. But if I want, need to do something, and a voice in my brain/heart says "don't do it, it's not ethical" I will tell that voice to shut the fuck up.

        [–]indivisibleremainder 17 points18 points  (4 children)

        I'm not telling you to be a good little christian boy. I'm telling you to be the best version of yourself that you could be. Only you know what that is.

        Our religious institutions have failed us. Most of society is there to manipulate us into doing what is best for someone else. Fuck that. Do your thing.

        Just don't be a life-hating nihilist. That's not what RP is about.

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          [–]aga080 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          You are blinded by your rage. You need time to digest what has happened. You saying that you will never be moral again tells me that you are still in the very early phase of understanding TRP

          [–]alchamest 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Hey mate, life only takes the meaning you give to it. By all means experience and live life the way you choose. If you need to travel all the way to the polar opposite of where you were as a perfect person, then by all means do so. It is not a final destination, you will eventually change again. If you are lucky life will be long and there will be time for much change/personal growth.

          There is a time to say fuck it! There is time to be the destroyer and lay waste to what you were. After all that destruction you can build anew. until it's time to watch it all burn again!

          [–]mickey__ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          You are acting on impulses boi

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            [–]RideroftheRedHoes 4 points5 points  (2 children)

            What do you mean not getting what I want? Bro I've seen evil before that witch. Many evil things been done to me, and I kept being the best person I can. I did many good things in return of nothing, and never complained. So stop with the psychological egoism shit.

            But that vile witch was a fucking gamechanger man. The person I've trusted with my everything and gave my everything fucked my throat through my ass with a 7 feet flaming toxic grater. And what, you expect me to stay Gandhi after this shit? Fuck that man.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Don't be Ghandi but also don't be Hitler. Live a happy life that you can bring people along on. Don't live a life where you are creating the journey for others. Anger is good, let it fuel you but don't let it consume you. Learn to control it (Listen to this Mister Miyagi sounding motherfucker...).

            I spoke about this in another thread too but rage never helps in life, anger can.

            [–]The__Tren__Train 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I had very strong morals, religion, emotions etc. All are lies. Evolutionary illusions only to keep our species alive.

            not true at all....

            you can have religion and morals without being a supplicating beta

            [–]Returnofthemack3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            while you need to temper your idealism and act selfishly at points for self preservation, I don't think you should abandon all the things you believed in. Aspiring to be someone of higher virtue is still a noble path, but yeah, don't allow people to walk all over you and use you. With that said, it'd be a tragedy if you started becoming a hedonistic, worthless cunt bag over a bitch man.

            [–]natrahhh 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            The only truths are universal truths & the truths you choose to adopt. I'm proud of you , make sure you find thing in life that occupy your time in a productive way for the majority and BUILD THAT LEGACY : D. It's happened to me twice now. The first time was rather difficult ; but the second time comes around there are only a few tweaks to be made rather than a complete overhaul. Now I keto, IF, Lift, Rollerblade, Read WAY TOO MUCH ( still not enough ) , just got a small blonde mohawk, found an entry level job in sales, downloaded 20+ sales books ( LIBGEN.IO IS THE BEST THING SINCE COCONUT OIL, any book you could possibly dream of, THE WORLD IS YOURS TO LEARN : D), dress stylish, and found many many interests to read/pursue. Women will come , just always be open to looking at a chick that you really want and let it be known. Give her the eyes & maybe a lip bite xD Thanks TRP.

            Oh and escalate ; ALWAYS be closing/escalating blah blah . Applies to life too many, keep going upskeez!

            [–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            All are lies.

            No they're not-- TRP likes to keep the theory amoral, but silly assertions like this do not fly for many people (including myself) who don't see this as bullshit. It's all a part of the game of life; I don't see evil as a condemnation on things that are important to me such as morals. I still know that I am a good person; my goal for becoming a doctor and businessman in life is to solely help people in need, both on a medical and financial level. Nothing has deterred me from this-- not the political evil that exists in the world, not the sluts that have taken over modern society, not the gruesome violence in parts of the world, and I mean nothing.

            There is always something for a man to fight for- a dream to never give up on. Helping others and seeing the good in other humans is something I won't ever give up on, as cheesy as it may sound.

            [–]DrHolz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I'm happy to know that you're finally free from the chains of all those beliefs society ties us down with.

            I think the reason these chains exist is because when you're free, you realize that you can do literally anything and get away with it if you're smart enough. You can lie, cheat, steal.....

            Society needs these chains of morality in order to prevent chaos and destruction.

            Just be careful . good luck

            [–]HappySmaug 48 points49 points  (10 children)

            These are the same women that in 10-15 years time will be so bitter, scarred and lonely that they will try to tie down a man of much less quality than the ones they rejected years ago. When most women look at their futures they always see a fairytale and never the reality of how things play out if they don't play their cards right.

            [–]trpraducu 35 points36 points  (0 children)

            Don't give a fuck about them and don't worry about them.
            Worry about yourself and the women who feel like these women YET remain in a relationship with you.
            The first group will fuck themselves up, the latter are much more dangerous because they'll fuck you up 10-15 years down the line.

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              [–]BlacknOrangeZ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Women are already medicated in extraordinary numbers for their "mental illness". It's happening.

              Good job, feminism.

              [–]Specter242 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              I too think there may be a rise in mental health issues particularly depression in the coming years.

              Ive always wanted to know if there was some correlation with that the sexual revolution and rise in mental health issues since the 70s and 80s particularly in the United States.

              The rise of social media with the constant need for validation from some along with this desire to do whatever makes you happy and a rise in a materialistic culture will lead many, in my opinion, down a dark road of sadness.

              I just see much of society as seeking the next "high" without considering the underlying damages being done.

              Society may be going up the mountain or even at the peak right now and may soon be heading down into a valley soon. I know it sounds negative but sometimes reality is negative

              [–]analyticaltoafault 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              It's neither positive or negative. It just is, and has always been. This story is as old as civilization, the technology has only improved.

              Yet here most people are, wholly unaware of this and succumbing to that which satisfies their immediate desires and fucks over their future.

              [–]Returnofthemack3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              it's not that nobody wants them, or that they'll be alone, but rather it's that their choices will be sub par. Most women can still find someone later on in life, it's just that the 'someone' is not chad lol

              [–]ShavedApel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Betas should keep them from hitting rock bottom, however they will still be unhappy.

              [–]Returnofthemack3 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Where alll da good men be at??

              [–]vagbutters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              they will try to tie down a man of much less quality than the ones they rejected years ago.

              The sad part is that given the number of cucks in society as of late, she'll have her pick of the crop.

              [–]cantFindValidNam 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              So whats the lesson here? That for women sexual attraction is a pre condition of successful relationships? But the same goes for men. I dont see whats the big deal?

              [–]hypnotica420x 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              you guys are retards. i just fuck em and dump em. then i rinse and repeat.

              the trick is to not give a fuck. i've been dumped plenty of times. 2 fucks given.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              Note: She says "super physically attracted to". She's never been with a guy like that because he's probably a super model, what she meant to say was "An alpha that gave me tingles". As we all know, looks help, but but showing alpha traits and preselection, help way more.

              Dude. It's good to ask women what they think and try to learn something, but you shouldn't just completely discount something they say and replace it with "WHAT SHE MEANT TO SAY WAS . . ." because it fits your ideology or worldview.

              She said physically attractive. Now, she could be lying, or self-delusional, or have a weird definition of physically attractive that really means alpha, but she fucking said physically attractive. If you're going to replace those words with something else, you are cognitively narrowing your worldview and letting your cognitive biases take over.

              I fully believe she meant "physically attractive." To many women, just being hot contributes to a man being alpha and one of the downfalls of the internet manosphere is that it discounts the power of physically attractive. Say what you want, but being physically attractive counts for a LOT, and oftentimes trumps guy with elements of an alpha personality.

              Don't make the mistake of creating a fantasy world where only what you believe is true.

              [–]Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Any man who gets dumped by a woman who uses the term "Amaze-Balls" was done a kindness in my humble opinion.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Was thinking the same thing... I want to skull fuck that bitch to death

              [–]Arie_R 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Sounds like some women sharing briefly why they broke up with an ex. It's up to everyone to stay or leave a relationship for whatever reason. I'm sure most of these women have considered what their life would be like if they stayed, and what if they leave and decided they could either do better or rather be single than with a man they're not attracted to. I've met great guys with whom I have a lot in common so rationally speaking, they might be compatible with regards to views, ambitions etc. However, if there's no spark, I don't want to be physical with them so a romantic relationship won't happen. Only once have I grown to feel attracted to a man after knowing him well for a long time. Sadly this wasn't mutual. Nothing bad about not staying in a relationship you know will end. How many men leave good women for someone younger, prettier, or just to play the field a bit more? Same thing.

              [–]yomo86 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Whenever I think a FR is blowing things out of proportion or an anger-phaser posted his revenge fantasy such a cross-post comes along. Then my doubts vanish once again.

              [–]Bielzabutt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Really it doesn't even matter if you give them tingles. She'll still try and fuck you over. I always thought being great in bed would keep a woman faithful and devoted. Nope. There's always someone else with more money, a better car, house, job. Women only give a shit about sex AFTER they're married. Then they'll come back looking for you, the one that really gave them tingles.

              [–]SilentAlpha 19 points20 points  (4 children)

              None of this is news or all that shocking. I have experienced it as a man as well. There are girls who are great on paper and even look great as well....but when it comes down to it there is just something 'viscerally' and 'genetically' not there for me. Then there are those women that all I can think about is how dirty we can be.

              These women are just realizing or admitting that physical attraction is just as important as all the rest. And it really doesn't have anything to do with behavior on the surface. Its all subtle, nuanced and naturally built in. That's why its best to embrace the true man you are instead of making up new platitudes and trying to put on an 'act'. Something TRP acknowledges but most of the thought process here actually ignores.

              [–]InBaggingArea 10 points11 points  (2 children)

              "Embrace the true man you are"?

              Surely you don't mean "just be yourself"?

              [–]lqtys 17 points18 points  (1 child)

              "Your true inner self", the one hidden below layers and layers of bluepill bullshit.

              [–]SilentAlpha 16 points17 points  (0 children)

              Yep, that's the one. The one that the pussy side of your nature is afraid of.

              [–]Hakametal 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Agreed. One of the most important lessons I've learned over the past few years is how to be objective to her level of attraction to you... and it's ALL about the subtle things.

              Who texts who first? Does she bite her lip when you flirt with her? Is she submissive to you? Are you constantly having rough and dirty sex? Does she act like a little girl around you?

              Leaning about the subtle things can save you a lot of pain and drama. But I think we've all learned that the hard way.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I heard a story about this once chick that dated a guy for a year and some change,but didn't give him any ass. The bitch meets some cunt in an online forum and fucks him the same day. She gave the stranger her virginity and the dude that wasted a year on that pig is probably off still jerking off into a tube sock.

              [–]blackedoutfast 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              one of my plates is married to a guy who is the blue pill ideal of a perfect boyfriend/husband. nice guy, decent looking, about 6'2", smart, good job (salary somewhere in $300-400k per year), responsible, wants to have a family and lots of kids, all that shit. he loves her and treats her like a princess. but she keeps telling me how she is depressed and how she forgets what is feels like to be alive (except when she's with me) and how she's just glad she doesn't have any fuckin kids with him even though he is trying.

              i'm a total fuckup. im not hot. i'm an alcoholic and do tons of drugs and party like a rockstar. i'll probably die before i turn 40. but i live in the moment and don't pressue or expect this girl to be perfect and she loves me for it.

              AWALT.

              [–]roughback 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              See also: the movie Nocturnal Animals

              [–]Spidertech500 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              There's a person in that thread who's dating an "asexual" girlfriend who only does massages and cuddling for 9 years.... What a cuck.... And I'm not using that word fully ironically

              [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              "my picker" LOL...my new moniker for the bane of our existence.

              Gal got you down?

              Girlfriend bangin' your fiends?

              Kick'er right in the picker.

              [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              and the haters still bash trp, hamstering that this is all bullshit. blue pills gonna blue.

              [–]menial_optimist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Women are really no different than men who bully other men, they'l constantly test to see how far they can go until you snap back. In the woman's case what she can't test physically against her man she tests mentally. Id say more men resist phsyical tests from men than mental tests from women because the physical tests are so basic, simple and easier to understand. Mental on the other hand requires a keen mind and developed intellectual qualities.

              [–]Daddie0 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              The problem with most women is they think life is going to be exactly like their favorite romantic TV show / movie / book. They want it all, the reality is this almost never happens, nobody is perfect. They keep waiting for a fairy tale.

              [–]IDodgedTheTrap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              And then they end up with an apartment full of cats and or Chad's kids that they resent.

              [–]BestSC86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I am going to ask again...

              Where in this article did you get the idea that the gilted guys were betas?

              Nothing is given about their personalities or characteristics at all...only that these women were not attracted to them. Even the most dominant alpha in the world is not attractive to every female.

              I am sorry but that is projection.

              [–]BestSC86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Sorry but you took a story about choices women made in dating certain guys then let your own biases about alphaeta to slant the reasons for why one was rejected and another chosen....

              For instance in your very first example, the woman says that she tried with someone whom was good on paper but instead went with some one who was sexy to HER loins....she never indicated what those characteristics were or mentioned alpha traits at all...BUT you let you own personal biases run away to decide that the gilted one had to be a beta fedora wearing blue pill bitch and the chosen was a pussy smashing TRP spewing alpha beast. But the woman only said someone who was sexy to HER LOINS...for all you now that might mean fedora wearing WOW playing dweebs which lead her to nearly dying because the dork wouldn't work and buy food.

              Nice of you to label all the gilted as blue pill bobs when we really don't now that from the stories printed...

              [–]traveldeedee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Guys how about we all fly to some Asian countries to marry traditional women who know how to be a good housewife.

              Only when western women' SMV are pushed to the bottom will they know their place.

              [–]PabloEscoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Too much work. I also dont think this is possible long term.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I just finished reading The Power of Positive Thinking and this is a major point throughout each chaprter. Focus on your own improvement, get in peak shape, dress well, and your relationships/friendships and parenting will improve. If you don't, you don't honor yourself, God, and others.

              Old self-improvement books (How to Win Friends, As a Man Thinketh) are RP as fuck. What happened.

              [–]fcb98292 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Short answer: Feminism convinced the majority of men and boys that equality means anybody can do anything. Look at the publication dates of those books. RP of our ancestors was traded for just getting along in a PC society. Pussification. Unisex. Manhood sold out. That's what happened.

              [–]metalhead4 0 points1 point  (7 children)

              I fucked the shit out of this girl 2 weeks ago and she's playing the busy game. Saying she will come over again when she has time. She hasn't said she doesn't want our FWB arrangement anymore but I dont like it where she has the power. She can text me "are you busy later?" and then come fuck me. I've tried a few times in the 2 weeks to get her here on my time but she's had excuses every time.

              It wouldn't be for a lack of a good dicking. I definitely took her to pound town and had her screaming fuck me fuck me fuck me. Got nail scratches all over my back.

              You never know bitches are crazy.

              [–]BestSC86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              She might yell that on every fucking and while she found yours okay, there might be her real choice blasting her on the other side of town.

              Stop caring and find another girl.

              [–]1Sir_Distic 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              So you're chasing her hard? Got it.

              She defines the relationship, not you? Got it. You don't like that but still allow it? Got it.

              She KNOWS she can keep you hooked with pussy and it works every time? Got it.

              So pretty much she's 100% in control of this relationship. What about your other plates? Do they have this kind of power over you?

              [–]metalhead4 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              No. The other 2 are on my call. She's super fuckin hot though and probably on paper out of my league but I still fucked her so it's good.

              She might be a crazy lying slut but she said she hasn't had sex in a while and I made her pretty sore. She also told me before she doesn't really hookup with people she's not in a relationship with (she lives at home and is busy between school/work). So I'll take her word for now because I've got other options and I don't want to ruin a fwb with a 9.

              If she doesn't want to fuck again oh well at least I got it in once.

              [–]BestSC86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Never read the sidebar...got it.

              Watch what a girl does not what she says....

              Sorry but your fucking really just wasn't that great...but she keeps you around in case she has nothing else.

              Does not hook up with people but she did with you...she lives at home? Is busy? Sorry but all of those are reason why she should be jumping on your dick all the time not avoiding it....she doesn't even have to dress up or work for your dick but supposedly you were AMAZING....now why would she avoid amazing, work-free dick?

              Bhahahahhahaha...come on.

              And of course you have "tons of other options" that is why you are posting for help on this reddit about this one girl...

              [–]1Sir_Distic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              and I don't want to ruin a fwb with a 9.

              That right there is the wrong attitude. You're not willing to walk at any time. She's got you. The one who is least invested and most willing to walk has all the power in ANY relationship.

              And congrats. You stuck your dick in a vagina. That's great!

              Also you have low self-confidence "She's probably on paper out of my league". I am no where near top 20% of guys but no woman who has ever existed is "out of my league".

              She should be working for your dick, not you working for her vagina. Stop chasing her and see if she chases you. If not... walk.

              [–]NiceKicksGabe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              She's lying. Get more bitches.

              [–]Hamilton950B 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I like how the first one uses the "singular they" to avoid revealing her lover's sex. Even though this is sex we're talking about.

              [–]awaken471 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              wow, some of the biggest examples of AWALT right there.

              this is just to show how there are no exceptions - women can't escape their nature. It's for the best that the second girl broke, though, because he would've been (or got) cheated

              [–]ScumbagPotato 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I know all of this already but seeing women talk about it freely is almost enough to make me sick..

              [–]traveldeedee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Agree. Absolutely sickening.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              deleted What is this?

              [–]Frenetic_Zetetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Eye-opening for the newer readers, and a good reminder for the lazy veterans.

              You need to be the entire package, and you need to keep your "game" on at all times - no excuses.

              [–]richblackman74 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              If I ever met any of these hoes they'd receive a mandatory pimp slap and guess what they'd love me for it and get the tingles for me smh 20th century women are trash

              [–]ecosci 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Its all science women are just doing whats natural thats why guys need to learn female nature at a young age they hate society for shaming them into marry a nice guy beta knowing she wants that rough assertive face in the pillow sex at night this IS by design so that money can be made off beta bux thats sure to come, divorce and ailimony plus child support for alphas ? kids, remember she secretly resents your ass for being a loving caring father husband and provider but she wont admit it EVER.

              [–]h1pp0h1pp0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              "Sexy to my loins"

              Somebody smack the game controller out of her hands

              [–]-ATLAS-_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Or just don't reward selfish women with a relationship. Granted...this just eliminated most the attractive women, but there is still a significant amount of awesome women who aren't selfish and trying to emasculate you because they're insecure and are used to getting their way.

              Don't reward selfish attention seekers. Date the quiet girls. Selfish attention seekers will leave even if you fuck her silly, the relationship simply can't stand on that and needs someone who actually wants a relationship not just attention and validation. That's like saying you can keep an addict from doing stupid stuff if you just make sure you always give them their fix....it won't work and is eventually toxic if you go that route, they're gonna chase that high or change drug addictions some say and want validation from their boss or from the rock singer in town or from the guy that her friend likes because that's what attention seekers do.

              [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

              How does someone reach "sexy" when they've always been in last place in gym since high school? I just find it hard to believe that self-improvement can make a 4/10 into an 8+/10, at least physically.

              [–]Bareassman 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Are you implying that about yourself? I'm pretty damn sure if a person pursues the red pill doctrine to get fit, dress nice and work hard that you'll become more attractive. Your inner confidence will shine.

              [–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yep. I went from about a 2 to about an 8 or higher, some years back. Physically.

              [–]justareflektorr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              unless youre a genetic catastrphe its doable, if yes then just go to pattaya.

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