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Men's RightsFor the Girl Writes What fan boys, Karen Straughan lays down her opinion of TRP (self.TheRedPill)

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Karen was summoned to PPD by several username mentions and, after wonderfully fielding the OP's question about what women should do to change (which is worth reading itself), is asked her opinion of TRP.

Frankly, I don't mind the red pill (either the philosophy, or the subreddit). I think it has value to offer men who are looking for individualistic solutions to the current social problems re gender. I like Jack Donovan. I like Roosh V. I like Barbarossaaaa and Stardusk. I like all kinds of men and their perspectives, even when I don't agree with everything they have to say. I like the idea of criticizing women (men too) and holding them accountable.

And further:

If the red pill is a response to anything, it's a response to the apathetic, pragmatic, mercenary nature of most women, who don't even notice the harm done to men until they're forced to personally suffer a portion of it.

Full comment here.

Karen continues to impress with her ability to see issues outside the perspective of her own gender and to carry a rationality that is beyond most women (and many men).

I encourage you to read her original response to the OP's questions of “What should women do?” where the OP asks what should be the response given that men are frustrated with and hate women.

Men have never hated women. Men will never hate women. What you see as hate is fear and frustration. Fear of what you have the power to do to any given man on any given day, just by virtue of being female. Frustration that no matter how far men bend to your whims, it's never enough to prove to you that they don't hate you and have never hated you.

And:

Putting your foot down and saying, "what you're doing is abuse" is not hate. Drawing a boundary and saying, "this far, no further" is not hate. Saying, "I choose not to have anything to do with women unless necessary" is not hate.

Thank you, Karen, for putting these redpillian and MRA concepts into terms that are easily digestible for the masses.

For those of you who are new to Girl Writes What, check out her most popular video of all time, Feminism and the Disposable Male.


[–]RPthrowaway123 183 points184 points  (48 children)

Her responses in that entire thread are well-written and logical responses to all the hate we get here. Sadly nobody who hates us really cares for logic, but I really appreciate her passionate and logical defense.

So what should we women do? Well, first thing would be to stop kicking men in the testicles, and try to convince other women to stop. Second thing would be to stop interpreting "OW! My testicles! Fucking hell, WTF?" as misogyny and aggression.

This is really all that needs to be said on the matter. If men weren't being shat on by general society then TRP wouldn't exist. It wouldn't need to exist. But men are finally being pushed too far, and those men are coming here to figure out where they went wrong and what they can do about it. And thankfully this place exists to tell those men what they need to know.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (45 children)

If men weren't being shat on by general society then TRP wouldn't exist.

We've always been shat on. We make the money. We make the rules. All the leadership decisions were ours and we were able to handle it because, pfff, women dont need to bring home the bacon. The welfare society and decline of the patriarchy changed this to a point where Chad could impregnate as many harpies and skip town letting the taxpayer take up the slack, leaving a generation of single parent families who raised their kids to believe this nonsense. It's our fault that we've let our power slip which has resulting in a shit state of society and im at a loss to suggest how to improve it.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 40 points41 points  (0 children)

We've always been shat on

Bring the provider for an ungrateful wife was never that great. Now we get not only ingratitude but divorcerape too.

[–]through_a_ways 30 points31 points  (10 children)

We've always been shat on

I've said it before and I'll say it again: There are only two types of societies in the world:

Societies that are shitty for men, and societies that are really shitty for men.

As long as you're the former, your civilization can continue to thrive.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Societies that are shitty for men, and societies that are really shitty for men.

Societies which treat men as mules, and societies which treat men as ATMs.

Societies which treat men as mules recognize the men are a tool to advance society, and tools need to be taken care of properly even if they are ultimately to be exploitatively used. You can't get much value out of a sick mule, and can't get any value out of a dead one. You use the mule, but you treat it well so you can keep using the mule.

Societies which treat men as ATMs don't give a shit about their men. They are completely disposable. You don't worry about ATMs getting sick, and if one ATM doesn't work you just go to another.

The latter societies collapse because eventually men quit working for no reward. And society rides on men's backs.

[–]87GNX 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is fucking wisdom, right here.

[–]energyinmotion 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Unless you're a muslim man, then life is good, eh?

(Joke for those that can't tell.)

[–]Tom_The_Human 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yes. You get as many wife-slaves as you want, beat them how hard you want, and definitely don't have to give them all the money. At least, that's the image perpetuated by the anti-islamophobic islamophobic mainstream society. (and no, that wasn't a mistake)

[–]totorox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

anti-islamophobic islamophobic mainstream society

Pretty good. Pedestalizing and scapegoating are both ways of refusing to see and appreciate the other. Racism is actually healthy in its correct restricted meaning of "acknowledging differences". Once you do that, you can see and appreciate the other.

Mainstream society fantasizes about the other, makes him/her/them wear all sorts of puppet costumes, all not to look at it square and say: "Yeah, you're real. Welcome to our world."

[–]SilentForTooLong -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

Hmm...wonder why men don't just all try to get sex changes?

[–]Code_Bordeauxx 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It seems you have no idea what is happening in SE Asia at the moment. They have a whole culture now of transsexual men and the men in general behave ridiculously feminine. What you speak of is happening.

[–]tallwheel 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That wouldn't get them the privileges in most societies. They would be viewed as defective/mutilated men.

[–]through_a_ways 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure they are, in record numbers.

Too lazy to look up the statistics, but sex reassignment surgery has been around for at least a few decades now.

[–]Tom_The_Human 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If trans-exclusionary feminists have anything to say about it, they're next.

[–]1StinkyDiaper 9 points10 points  (4 children)

No suggestions are needed. Let some form of crisis occur - drought, famine, widespread foreign attack, natural disaster, and just see if women are really ready to lead the charge. The natural order of things would reset itself very quickly.

[–]Dravous 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I debate with myself daily if I actually want this to happen or not....it's a tough call.

[–]Kings2387 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel better knowing I am not alone in this internal thought struggle.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to look forward to the collapse. I honestly did. I felt like all those idiot progressives would finally get what they were so desperately asking for and learn just how stupid they were acting.

But then I realized they wouldn't learn. They'd blame other people for "not doing enough" or some other deflection of their own personal responsibility (and deflection of their own personal responsibility is how they got to their belief sets). There would be no grand awakening for them.

Now I see the collapse as a necessary bad. It's going to happen, it needs to happen, but it will not be pleasant. I hope that it can possibly be avoided, but I will not work just to delay it for delaying's sake. Nor will I work to hasten it. I will just work to be as best prepared for it when it happens as I can.

[–]1StinkyDiaper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same here. It certainly wouldn't be fun for anyone whether you survived or not. If the crisis occured only on U.S. soil, destroying it, perhaps other countries would be willing to welcome and house "worthy" survivors, which I hope I could be a part of.

[–]Shiningknight12 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Its more complex than just welfare. I suspect contraceptives and industrialization(which resulted in women entering the workplace) were the biggest changes.

Suddenly, women were living on their own in large numbers working jobs in the city. They could even have unattached sex without getting pregnant. Of course, contraceptives fail and in the heat of the moment people don't use them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Women control 50% of the money, 80% of the children, and 100% of the pussy and WE make the rules? Lol. We didnt let the power slip. Well we did, but it was a coup to remove men from the power position. We didnt just all decide to let it go. It was stolen. And men as they do, followed the rules and fought fair, and lost our ass.

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    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    I was factoring for the pay gap/

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      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      And how anyone can say its a mans world in the west is ridiculous. Its been a womans world since the 60's.

      [–]The_BeardedGentleman 4 points5 points  (14 children)

      If we were able to beat the shit out of people like 'Chad', so that it doesn't happen as frequently, that would be atleast a somewhat fun start.

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        [–]Johnny10toes 6 points7 points  (9 children)

        I think sometimes the underlying message here in TRP is "Be the Chad, only wear a condom you sick fuck."

        [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (7 children)

        To me the underlying message here is "this is how women and the world actually work, now go forth and do what you will"

        [–]Johnny10toes 13 points14 points  (3 children)

        You're right but there is a lot of emphasis on slaying pussy. Some of us married guys have to dig pretty deep to find fully relatable material.

        [–]2rp_valiant 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        amen. I'm only here for the 1 in 50 lifestyle or mentality post that isn't centred on ONS/plates.

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

        This is a dangerous position to put men in. But generally they will bear the burden gracefully as always. Instead of doing what needs to be done.

        [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        It's because cheating on your partner is not a crime, but beating up the girl and guy who cheated is.

        [–]DollarWill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Perhaps it should be made so. It might capture some of the value that "Marriage 2.0" lost.

        [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        Why even bother with the condom? Give her a fake name and don't fuck in your own area code.

        [–]87GNX 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        You're getting downvoted, but this is basically how society worked before 2nd-wave feminism, free love, and mass third world immigration. We (Americans at least) were a tighter-knit bunch, socioculturally, and the enforcement of social norms was stricter.

        If you read Kerouac there's a scene where he almost pulls a virgin in a bus terminal, but at the last minute he's cockblocked by her sister who forcefully pulls her away from her and chides her for being about to be seduced. Most of the last 50 years of feminism has been to shame the sister so that high alphas (and sigmas like Kerouac) can pull. Shaming dudes for enforcing sexual norms has also been a part of this.

        Make no mistake, administering a beatdown to C. Thundercock is blue pill as hell now, and anyone doing so should be considered a shitblimp beta retard. All I'm saying is it was legit in, say, 1940.

        [–]DollarWill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Or... Maybe some trends could be nudged in a different direction. Maybe "backwards".

        [–]SheriffBart42 -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

        Always been shat on? This doesn't mix with anything anyone should believe here.

        1. Victim mentality is useless for a man.

        2. Men, being superior to women in a number of ways, are the ones who have had to bear the brunt of nature's fury. Men getting the short end of the stick, seemingly, is not so. We've carried a heavier load because we're stronger. That's not getting shat on. Getting shat on implies a single standard and equality, which don't exist.

        [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 12 points13 points  (1 child)

        Accepting men are unfairly treated does not lead to a victim mentality unless it becomes your base viewpoint for looking at everything in life; your main way of identifying your relationship with society.

        "I'm a man, society is hard on men, poor me." I think this is why MRAs have a bed rep with other men, as this is how they seem.

        It's as simple as knowing this to be a fact, but striving even harder to win and overcome society's prejudice. You can do that without thinking "oh, boohoo, society is harder on men, I'm a wittle victim."

        How you cope with the knowledge and let it affect you is your responsibility to manage.

        Accepting this element of reality does not make you a victim, and won't make you think like a victim unless you find this truth too overwhelming to cope with positively.

        The alternative, denying that society is harder on men, is still having one foot in the matrix.

        Don't get it twisted.

        [–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        This response! Yes!

        Holding your emotions in check and remaining objective is the key. The world is the way it is, the average man is not going to change it. Even great men struggle to change it despite having a huge impact. Approaching any of this from the perspective that you're going to react to the negatives rather than objectively analyse and react to the analysis is a recipe for the wrong mindset that will eventually fail you.

        It's a bit like talking pure red pill "women are inferior" in all social settings. You may be speaking truth, but you can't wear the truth like armour. You know the truth and you know the objective realities - the difference is political, always has been and always will be. Keep the nuance in mind when making your moves in life is obvious advice... yet so few men on here seem to be able to internalise this mentality in order to reconcile truth and reality with the political and social success strategies required for said reality.

        EDIT: I have no clue who is voting IM's post down, but seriously... do some more reading and deeper thinking.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Being shat on isn't about carrying a heavier load... It's like you're carrying 100 lbs of gear on your back and some woman wants you to carry her 40 lbs of gear for her too and society kicks you until you do it.

        That's basically divorce rape and vaginamony summarized.

        [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        Id call waging a campaign of genocide against males as getting shat on. Now you can say male disposeability is the natural order, and to an extent thats true. But its carried much further than it needs to be to propagate the species. Its a separate campaign to destroy men, and that is not the natural order. Men sacrifice and should be celebrated, thats how it used to be in olden days.

        [–]BlackHeart89 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Jesus christ. She's good.

        I bet she has higher than average test levels for a woman. I had an ex that was like that and by far, she was the most reasonable woman I have ever met.

        [–]RPthrowaway123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Women are capable and intelligent, just usually in social matters instead of logical ones. She is actually using logic to make a well-reasoned argument that makes sense, so she seems much smarted than the average woman because we aren't used to that :P

        The funny thing is if you Google her, all you get is article about how she is a sure sign that "we still need feminism!" and so on; because heaven forbid a woman not think that men are the worst creatures on this planet.

        [–]Doctor_Mayhem 128 points129 points  (4 children)

        Karen has always been a good, level-headed voice for the MRA movement. There's a good reason that many on here discovered this little section of the internet thanks to her.

        [–]ThirteenthZodiac 67 points68 points  (3 children)

        For me, I think the message had to come from a woman. I don't think that, prior to unplugging, I would have believed it coming from a man - I would've gone with the beta "whatever, this guy is an asshole" opinion and left it at that. It specifically took an articulate woman, with a solid understanding of the topic and clear, clean delivery of the ideas, for it to finally sink in, and that set me on the road to discovering TRP, among other things.

        Having solid male role models in the community is also important, of course; once I got unplugged, the things they said that would've once repulsed me suddenly made a whole ton more sense, because of my willingness to listen. But having women like Karen around is also necessary, because I imagine that most betas simply won't listen to a guy espousing TRP philosophy or anything related, because of the cultural attitude (at least in the US) that portrays us as social pariahs of one variety or another.

        [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 18 points19 points  (2 children)

        For me, I think the message had to come from a woman. I don't think that, prior to unplugging, I would have believed it coming from a man - I would've gone with the beta "whatever, this guy is an asshole" opinion and left it at that.

        I think a lot of people are like this. Most plugged in people value the word of a woman 10x more than the word of a man. It's fucked up. If a guy said it you'd think "he hates women" and immediately dismiss him. Fucked up.

        Of course once you take the red pill, that dynamic reverses. You begin to value the word of man over women.

        [–]elevul 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Though you still have to be wary, since men are competitive, so a man's word is not always sincere or correct.

        [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 15 points16 points  (0 children)

        You can't blindly trust anyone. I think that goes without saying.

        [–]Endorsed Contributorbalalasaurus 55 points56 points  (1 child)

        "To be important to society a woman just has to be; a man has to do".

        I think I'm in love...

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Watch her videos, she's so fucking observant and smart.

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 30 points31 points  (0 children)

        Karen Straughan knows her shit. She also does a good job of explaining a lot of Red Pill ideas from a very different perspective than what you normally see on here (admittedly she's more of a MRA of course).

        That Disposable Male video you linked has always been one of my favorites, really drives at the hypocrisy of modern society. Many of her other videos are great too.

        [–]1REDPILLRECKONING 24 points25 points  (15 children)

        God this is so nice to read. She's always so grounded, so in touch with reality. She doesn't pull any punches but isn't hateful about anything she says, just purely objective. Without women like this, I can imagine that the world would look completely hopeless to alot of young men.

        We need more of this type of viewpoint from the other side of the aisle.

        [–]648262[🍰] -4 points-3 points  (14 children)

        We need more of this type of viewpoint from the other side of the aisle.

        No we don't. Some could use it though.

        [–]2rp_valiant 7 points8 points  (13 children)

        it's an issue of semantics. we need it so that our viewpoint can be represented by someone who can't be spun as a misogynist. Especially someone as articulate as Karen.

        [–]648262[🍰] -2 points-1 points  (12 children)

        We don't need to sell our viewpoint. We don't gain anything by preaching about TRP.

        Others, outside TRP, gain something by seeing beyond the misogynist label.

        She works for them, not us.

        [–]2rp_valiant 3 points4 points  (10 children)

        that's like saying that feminists gain nothing by converting more feminists. Every ideology needs allies.

        plus, we're talking about MRA here, not TRP. TRP is individualist, MRA is societal. MRA needs converts.

        [–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        Every ideology needs allies.

        TRP is not an ideology. It's a set of truths.

        Truth does not need allies; it needs only recognition.

        MRA needs converts.

        The MRM will never win. It is politically dead in the water as long as women control 55% of suffrage.

        That women control suffrage will not change without a revolution or collapse of the society.

        There are only three solutions to feminism: Revolt, Expat, or Turtle.

        [–]2rp_valiant 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        suffrage/voting doesn't really change social climate anyway - the only way that's going to change is either through violent means or through the feminazi method of being very vocal, spinning the issue to look like a social justice problem, and pressuring local governments and educational bodies to make changes. Women will always be better than men at the latter because they're naturally machiavellian, and the former is suicidal with a country as big as the USA.

        [–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        suffrage/voting doesn't really change social climate anyway

        Women's suffrage massively changed the social climate. Women's suffrage is a classic example of a moral hazard: Women get the rights (55% control of government) while men get the responsibility (66-75% of the taxes paid).

        http://www.springerlink.com/content/x737rhv91438554j/

        Abstract: In this paper we test the hypothesis that extensions of the voting franchise to include lower income people lead to growth in government, especially growth in redistribution expenditures. The empirical analysis takes advantage of the natural experiment provided by Switzerland''s extension of the franchise to women in 1971. Women''s suffrage represents an institutional change with potentially significant implications for the positioning of the decisive voter. For various reasons, the decisive voter is more likely to favor increases in governmental social welfare spending following the enfranchisement of women. Evidence indicates that this extension of voting rights increased Swiss social welfare spending by 28% and increased the overall size of the Swiss government.

        http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/WashTimesWomensSuff112707.html

        http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~iversen/PDFfiles/LottKenny.pdf

        Excerpt: Academics have long pondered why the government started growing precisely when it did. The federal government, aside from periods of wartime, consumed about 2 percent to 3 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) up until World War I. It was the first war that the government spending didn't go all the way back down to its pre-war levels, and then, in the 1920s, non-military federal spending began steadily climbing. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal — often viewed as the genesis of big government — really just continued an earlier trend. What changed before Roosevelt came to power that explains the growth of government? The answer is women's suffrage.

        [–]2rp_valiant 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I didn't mean the gain of the right to vote, more the action of voting itself.

        [–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Well if gaining the right to vote changed social climate, then the action of voting had to change it, right?

        I do agree that now it won't do much at all, unless a new group suddenly gets the right to vote and that will change the voting demographics. Ever wonder why democrats are pushing for illegal immigrant amnesty?

        [–]648262[🍰] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        No, we are talking about TRP. I'm not at all taking any ownership of what MRA should or shouldn't do. As far as I'm concerned they're about as useful as feminists. So I agree with that part of your conclusion.

        TRP is as much an ideology as a hammer being an ideology. It's just a tool. How you use it is up to you.

        [–]2rp_valiant 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        this post is tagged "Men's Rights" and Karen Straughan is a mens right advocate (she says she's an "anti-feminist" but she pretty much covers both positions).

        TRP isn't an ideology, I agree. Feminism, and whatever would be implemented if MRA were successful, are. TRP is a subreddit.

        [–]648262[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        On mobile - I don't see tags, but that's my mistake.

        Yes, I already said she speaks for people outside TRP. Be that MRA or any other men in need of some sound advice or a wake up call.

        I don't agree that TRP needs to be spread. That's how far we can get in this discussion I believe.

        [–]2rp_valiant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I'm pretty sure we're in agreement, but the context was missing. It sucks when that happens.

        anyways, moving on...

        [–]felipebarroz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Technicaly, a hammer and a sickle is a hell of an ideology...

        [–]Seishuu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I think he meant that society as a whole benefits from her work

        [–]Stinger86 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        Karen Straughan is a hero if humanity. I was going to say she's a hero of the men's rights movement, but she goes beyond that. Her cold, unbending rationality in the face of massive social pressure to kowtow to the feminist bent is heroic. The fact that she provides an accessible window into what's really going on for the average Joe and Jane is heroic. I can't praise this woman highly enough. Always been an ardent supporter of her, always will be.

        [–]Shigglyboo 20 points21 points  (5 children)

        Nice to hear a reasonable viewpoint. I constantly see people categorize this place as somewhere for bitter women hating men to commiserate and talk about how to abuse and manipulate women. Sorry, but the general advice I see here is be a kickass man. Look good, feel good, be decisive, don't put up with bullshit (aka being a doormat), focus on your career or creative pursuits, etc., instead of devoting all your energy to a female.

        All the talk of plate spinning, and "I told this bitch to fuck off, then I didn't answer the phone for two weeks, when I finally let her come over she sucked my dick for two weeks straight" is what they're referring to, and I'd like to see less of that honestly.

        [–]SplashArtist 6 points7 points  (4 children)

        I've never read something here that sounded that harsh about plate spinning. The theory is tight as nails and works. Whats wrong with having a girl suck your dick for two weeks straight anyways? haha

        [–]Shigglyboo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        People accuse TRP of being misogynistic, and honestly I do see some of that. Women aren't just "holes", and frankly I see some real bitterness around this sub. I have two sisters and a mother, I don't think women are good for nothing except sex. I do think society at large has pushed men into a position of appeasement, seeking approval at the expense of their manhood. TRP to me is about getting back to the classic male role model, the rock, the stoic decision maker. Not a womanizing asshole who doesn't care for anyone but himself. A lot of people come here after a bad breakup and decide to simply become an asshole, and girls do like assholes, but if you ever want a meaningful relationship you'll have to balance that out. If you just wanna smash sluts for the rest of your life then sure, be an asshole, but that's a pretty shallow existence, and not the man I aspire to be.

        [–]SplashArtist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Well duh, and men are more than just a bank account but that doesnt stop some women from treating them like they are. No matter where you go you will find people that operate in shitty ways.

        [–]tompanz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I've seen some harsh stuff, but it's usually pointed out that it's immature in the comments. People are gonna hate this place no matter what because we call out female behavior for what it is. Men aren't "supposed" to understand women, they want us to think they are magical love pixies. We you point out the shittiness of their behavior they either have to take responsibility for their actions, or blame us for them. Women have a phobia of taking any responsibility.

        I dunno man, getting your dick sucked is great and all, but I'd like to go outside sometime.

        [–]1oldredder -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        To be honest that will distract from lifting and work but ya, it's nice

        [–]1CowardlyPetrov 25 points26 points  (27 children)

        What a fucking unicorn. I think she is great, but I won't hold out hope that anyone will listen to reason or that I will ever actually meet anyone approaching her quality.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (23 children)

        As everyone here will tell you: there's no such thing as a unicorn. I'm sure she has her own baggage and fucked up shit she brings to a relationship. No human doesn't.

        [–]1CowardlyPetrov 33 points34 points  (21 children)

        Let's not be pedantic about it. I'm just saying from all available evidence she is a good person. More specifically, she seems to lack the man-eating nature and instead have some kind of compassion.

        In fact, let me rephrase.

        She's great, but she doesn't disprove AWALT. AWALT doesn't mean she doesn't exist. It just means you'll die if you hold your breath waiting or looking for her.

        [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

        She claims to be like that in one of her videos, though she hinted that she fights it.

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          [–]SilentForTooLong 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          In today's world, people like that are unicorns hah

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            [–]Kalepsis 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            No, in this context, a "unicorn" is an extremely rare creature which is impossible to capture.

            [–]1CowardlyPetrov -1 points0 points  (10 children)

            How is she not GREAT? How is not perfect exclusionary to greatness?

            You are wrong.

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              [–]648262[🍰] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

              Since we're doing the pedantic thing: Source?

              I'm quite sure that is a myth.

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                [–]648262[🍰] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

                That is a very weak source.

                Women of today still love masculinity, they just don't like saying it.

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                  [–]bigdickbanditss -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                  You sound like a complete idiot.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I think you are right. Because outliers.

                  [–]tompanz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  There is no such thing as a perfect person, but there is such a thing as a woman that isn't terrible.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  She is no unicorn.

                  Wake up man, unicorn doesn't exist.

                  She may not be the overtly crual bitch 99% of women are today, but be assured : she still have the basic drive to cheat, lie, hurt and destroy men. She fights it, sure, but it's still in her nature.

                  [–]RPSigmaStigma 18 points19 points  (14 children)

                  I'm convinced Karen is secretly a dude.

                  [–]The_BeardedGentleman 43 points44 points  (9 children)

                  She had to go through the process of raising a boy, going through divorce where she didn't hate the dude and seeing how the family courts just tore him a new one, as well as was (total guess) probably raised in a fashion that is similar to how she preaches.

                  I'm not sure how more women raising boys into men boys don't notice these types of things. Especially ones raising both a girl and a boy that can compare and contrast the two experiences.

                  [–]JayViceroy 44 points45 points  (1 child)

                  Women don't notice the difference raising boys and girls because they're no longer spending time with their children. They're going to work instead.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  My father is in fact my mother (taught me how to be soft and in touch with my feelings, raising me to be a soft effeminated boy instead of a man) and my mother is in fact a stranger who put me in the arms of a nurse.

                  [–]Gnometard 15 points16 points  (2 children)

                  Women don't notice. They feel. They not gonna "notice" until they feel the effects through someone they love.

                  [–]tompanz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  I remember a feminist who had her son falsely accused of rape and found herself on the "rape apologist" side. When someone they love gits hit by this shit they take note. If its one thing ive seen them love, its their children. A woman who doesn't even love her kids is a monster.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  True.

                  "If this is true, HOw DO U EXPAIN MA FEELS???????"

                  [–]Shiningknight12 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  Its amazing how little parents will notice about their kids. When you only see your kids for a few hours a day, you miss a lot.

                  [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                  She's also the only woman on Earth who I believe when she says she was raped.

                  [–]tallwheel 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  [–]elevul 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  That was beautiful, especially at the end.

                  [–]johnnygeeksheek 14 points15 points  (1 child)

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_hormones_and_sexual_orientation

                  You might not be far off. I believe she's mentioned on her channel that she's bisexual and on HBR she completely dominates her co-hosts.

                  If I understand the theory above correctly, at a certain point during fetus development the brain gets a squirt of hormones that turn the brain into a male brain or female brain. Sometimes there is a miss-squirt and the mind either ends up being a different gender than the body or having androgynous qualities.

                  Moral of the story? Karen gives me the weirdest boner.

                  [–]RPSigmaStigma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Moral of the story? Karen gives me the weirdest boner.

                  Oh good, so it's not just me...

                  [–]SilentForTooLong 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                  Couldn't it just be evidence that if women were held to higher standards, they could be far better than they are allowed to be?

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  And I think they would absolutely conform to those higher standards. If they had the option of either reaching the high standards, or being ridiculed as an outlier, they would absolutely conform and meet expectations.

                  But you're right. Like you said with no expectations of course they're not gonna strive for more.

                  [–]hamsterbator 14 points15 points  (5 children)

                  Another example of the Pussy Pass. Only a woman can defend men without being branded as a misogynist rapist. She is great though.

                  [–]tompanz 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                  Oh she gets branded as one. All the women who do any sort of MRA stuff gets shit on pretty hard by feminists.

                  [–]elevul 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  And between them she's the one who deals with it the best, by far. The Calgary thing demonstrated this perfectly, as the other women of the Honey Badger group broke down crying, while Karen reacted to it rationally and analitically.

                  [–]tompanz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I think Karen is also used to their bullshit by now, with how many talk shows she's been on. I wouldn't talked to half the people she has about it. Talking to a feminist about any of this shit would give me a headache.

                  [–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Yeah, kind of a ironic hah...

                  [–]HAMMURABl 13 points14 points  (15 children)

                  sounds like she is more on the MRA side.

                  TRP is the dark brother of MRA.

                  [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (8 children)

                  I disagree. I think she fully agrees with TRP, but her status would be corrupted if she endorsed. I think she is very calculated in her responses.

                  [–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (7 children)

                  She buys our theory, but she applies it towards social justice rather than towards nailing skanks.

                  [–]pilledwillingly 7 points8 points  (4 children)

                  Man, I don't think even many WOMEN have a problem with a lot of the theory here. It's the aspergers-level social ignorance in its application that people have a problem with. We're men, we want to be a force to be reckoned with, we want people to know that we're untouched by their petty bullshit because the shit we've got going on is real. But then you come onto TRP, our cortex, and it's a bunch of faggots high-fiving each other over witty comebacks to a pro-feminist article.

                  [–]2rp_valiant 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                  I think that can be expected when a community like this grows so exponentially. The new guys come in to the community, which prided itself on articulation and thought-provoking articles, and don't try to change to match the tone/attitude of their new home. Hence you go from some of the really powerful articles you can find by going to top -> all time, to the current state of affairs with lots of BP examples and rants about feminism.

                  Not to say I'm concerned, it happens to every community as the original attitude dilutes. We still run a reasonably tight ship compared to most.

                  [–]pilledwillingly 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  Yeah, the real-heavily upvoted shit is usually full of ridiculously good shit that you can take to the bank. Personally, "AWALT testimony" makes me cringe. I feel like I'm going against the bandwagon so I just ignore the posts. Dudes talking about every single 'alpha' thing they did and how their targeted female acted as expected. It just... it's the ugly side of the forum in my opinion. Sure, you begged her for sex and she used you for everything but, then you ignored her, and she was all over you. Now you're an authority on everything ever, and your only advice to a dude with problems with his wife of 40 years is to "plate her" Because that's the shallow rhetoric that bounces of the walls and takes nothing else into consideration. It's just frustrating to read, for me at least.

                  [–]2rp_valiant 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  yeah, I get that. I don't hold any ill will against the guys who find this stuff useful as I think it panders to the majority of RP men who are single and working their way through the anger phase, but it'd be nice to be able to separate single-anger-phase content from core content and just read through the insightful posts written by people who have accepted the state of affairs and have still decided to have a "traditional" i.e. monogamous relationship.

                  I think there's a lot of potential in the RP membership pool to discuss ways to live an exciting, fun life but we're all sat here talking hypocritically about how we shouldn't make women the main focus of our lives while still posting 90% articles about how women behave like women and how I found "this one neat old trick" to bed a particular girl.

                  I tried to start a thread about the lifestyle side of TRP - hobbies, careers, lifestyle design, exploring the world around us - but it received very little attention. That's what I want to talk about here.

                  [–]moose_war 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                  I think MRA stuff is good for pointing out injustices and hypocrisy and redpill stuff is more like pragmatic ways to deal with the bullshit we can't change in the world but can change within ourselves.

                  [–]648262[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Yes, they're victims and we are men.

                  [–]tompanz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  A lot of MRAs these days are trying to play the PR game. That's why you have people that try.and say feminists aren't the enemy. Karen is are straight up anti-feminist, she refuses to acknowledge that feminists have done anything positive whatsoever. I would say she is red pilled, she just also happens to be an MRA.

                  [–]putsch80 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I think she would agree with you,but she at least recognizes the legitimacy of TRP concerns, that TRP isn't a hate group, and the underpinnings that caused TRP to arise.

                  [–]1RPAlternate42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  If MRA is an organized rebellion of the system in place to affect systemic change, TRP is an insular operation looking for personal survival regardless of what the rebellion does. If it is successful, TRP still has to deal with the individuals resulting from the old system, if it fails, TRP is in no worse position.

                  If TRP is an insular community that may share MRA advocates, and may even venture into the active rebellion... MRP is the community that annexed itself, takes the original TRP principles, and warps them towards a more specific goal.

                  [–]GregariousWolf 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                  She's cool, I'd like to meet her. I'm a non-religious libertarian-leaning guy, and feel she's a bit of a fellow traveler. When I was considering blogging or doing Youtube stuff, her discussions of evolutionary psychology were one of the things that led me to this sub.

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                  [–]2undead_keyboard[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I'd like to go on record as saying that the title made complete sense to me after several shots of vodka. Now I can't make heads or tails of it either.

                  [–]asdfghjkltyu[🍰] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

                  What you see as hate is fear and frustration. Fear of what you have the power to do to any given man on any given day, just by virtue of being female.

                  Its a powerful quote, and applicable to some men, but not all. But I don't fear women at all now I'm educated in avoiding situations like that. If I'm not married, dating or having sex with a woman they have no power or control over me.

                  [–]SilentForTooLong 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                  I don't even know if it's just the immense social/legal power to destroy a man's life that all women hold... but something softer. A sexually attractive woman can make a man melt so easily it's disastrous...yes you can learn to override, and ignore those melting feelings. But women affect men so strongly, despite how little everything else in the world might affect them. You are this strong, stalwart, intense, hero figure that isn't phased by chaos, or toil of any sort... but a woman in line getting coffee with a nice ass, and sparkling eyes in some yoga pants has the simple ability to destroy all of that inner mental framework within you. Even if you don't let it destroy you, you still feel the affect of it, like a terrifying blackhole sucking your soul in...no matter how rational you are, and how you know to ignore it, and move beyond it in your actions, the fact is that you still feel the effect. And that is terrifying. That is what women can do to men. By comparison, being able to have them thrown in jail on a whim isn't scary at all.

                  [–]asdfghjkltyu[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I'm still not sure I agree their power is that absolute over men. I completely see through the hot girl mirage now I'm older. When I was younger, yes, you would get caught up in onetis and dreams about your life together, but when you've been there and done that you realize most women really are train wreck potential.

                  [–]totorox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Franz Bardon wrote that love is the greatest trial of the magician, as in the most powerful trap he can fall into. It doesn't brand all love as a trap, though. Just that the instinct to union is the most powerful and thus the most dangerous to virtue (balance and development). In the magician's path this trap takes the form of a Water elemental incarnating in a female body.

                  So Mr Faust and his great trial of temptation for riches and honors is nothing compared to temptation for the divine feminine made flesh. In a way monks are right: women are the enemy, or at least embody it ;)

                  Isn't that why we reproduce at all, ultimately? Without sex and reproduction we would detach from physicality.

                  That's also what feminists use to entrap men into disempowerment: "You didn't have to stick your dick in, therefore you must renounce all agency". Well we have to stick our dicks in. Just like they have to extract the fruits of our labor. It is a matter of survival. We cannot resist the divine feminine. They cannot resist the divine masculine. They make us pay for not resisting the divine feminine. Maybe it's time we make them pay once again for not resisting the divine masculine.

                  "You don't want men? Sure, go to that island. It's free of the results of men's labor."

                  "Oh, you need men after all? Well, there are duties associated to the privilege."

                  Unfortunately though, the ultimate feminist agenda may be way more nefarious than any of us dares imagining. A humanoid species without men, ruled by a different species that detached itself from humankind. The future slave female race wouldnt need to master the tech that's used to degrade it. Tech is male-created but it can be restricted to the rulers.

                  [–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Yeah, that's just the first stage of redpill. What's beyond that, she doesn't understand. But it's OK, that's a man's job, not a woman's. Women really can't go there, but GWW does commendable work.

                  [–]faded_jester 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                  One of the very few women I fully respect.

                  [–]Vigilo_Infinite 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  Big fan of Karen. I like people who are well read and have time to think through both sides of the argument.

                  She describes herself less as an MRA and more as an anti-feminist.

                  [–]Ojisan1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  It's too bad she stopped doing her own YouTube videos in favor of HBR. I liked her solo vids and public speaking, but I find HBR to be too many extra voices when she's the smartest one in the room.

                  Edit: and I may be misremembering here, but I think it was actually her videos that first opened my eyes and eventually led me here.

                  [–]tallwheel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Seconded. HBR would be a lot better if the other badgers would shut up and just let Karen talk.

                  [–]Buchloe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I like Karen's videos. I saw the title of this post and was expecting to read something disappointing. I'm glad she had positive things to say about this sub

                  [–]Adach 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Wow that video is incredbly succinct

                  [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Because you put fan boys in the topic name, I was expecting this to be something negative about her. Misleading title. Good argumentation from her nevertheless. Why the fuck purplepilldebate feel the need to drag her into their qualms is beyond me though.

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                  [–]totorox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Knowing how feminists react to women criticizing their dogmas (Erin Pizzey comes to mind), I guess Karen has been receiving death threats since she went public.

                  Having bigger balls than most I bet she doesnt even mention them:)

                  There is a sound motive too for not mentioning them: it doesnt give bullies the attention they crave.

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                  [–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Impressive. More rational and logic than most men.

                  "I like the idea of criticizing women (men too) and holding them accountable. "
                  

                  Even most trpillers don't go that far.

                  [–]greycloud24 2 points3 points  (10 children)

                  about a month ago i was talking to a more level headed friend trying to get a broader perspective. i told him that most conspiracies lead back to economics and the simple fact that historically people had enough children for population growth. modern conspiracies in politics generally can be traced to the business round table, which is a group of businessmen who purchase our government politicians and set in laws that benefit them to the detriment of the common citizen.

                  he laughed at me and told me that this wasn't a conspiracy, that it was simple truth. i told him that it is a conspiracy because people are conspiring against the masses, and we got into a smaller argument over semantics.

                  my point is that there are people, and specific organizations that are conspiring to reduce human reproduction levels. it is a fact that the government has a vested interest in reducing the number of children born into poverty. there is a political and economic agenda to reduce the number of children had, and to increase the age of the parents when the children are born (widen the generation gap).

                  feminism is part of this effort, but it is only one part of a multi-pronged approach. another is imprisoning poor males so they don't have more children. another is failing to cleanly filter out estrogen-like particles from city water supplies (left over from plastics and birth control expelled in urine). another is the dismal failure of the education system as to healthy diets and exercise (leads to loss in libido and fertility). feminism has a large impact with jobs (no stay at home parent in the majority of homes).

                  there are a lot of important ecological and environmental problems with overpopulation. i believe there could be better methods used for reducing births without attacking so many innocent people.

                  i think what needs to happen is male birth control, i think this will lead to a fix on the problem that will help defund a lot of institutions that are instituting policies under the guise of facing different problems when in reality they are designed to reduce population growth.

                  [–]Senior ContributorRedPope 13 points14 points  (4 children)

                  If your population reduction conspiracy were correct, they would be aggressively pushing for the development of male birth control. Reality is otherwise.

                  The problem with all grand conspiracy theories is simple: There isn't some monolithic group in a single smoke-filled room. There are thousands. Thousands of different, little, sometimes overlapping groups. Each pursuing their own agendas and constantly stepping on each others toes.

                  Their inefficiency and confusion defines the scope of our freedom.

                  [–]greycloud24 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                  the problem with conspiracy theories is that many are over the top. the real problem is that somehow the term conspiracy theory has become synonymous with myth. the reality is that most people that conspire are not conspiring to harm society. the reality is that conspiracies are so common and mundane that people don't even see them. the reality is that most large conspiracies are done over money and frequently are legal.

                  you plan your friends surprise birthday party with another friend and you both keep it a secret from that friend. that is a conspiracy. you two are conspiring. most people just don't realize what a conspiracy is at all, because the term has been so twisted in media.

                  [–]magus678 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I feel like you really get hung up on semantics

                  [–]Doctor_Mayhem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I was thinking more that they have to balance population control with being able to keep men enslaved to the system in some way. I think Dalrock covered it a few times.

                  [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  The problem with all grand conspiracy theories is simple: There isn't some monolithic group in a single smoke-filled room.

                  There is. That room is moving but it is there. It's the G20 meeting. It's the Bilderberg meeting. It's the EU's government. It's the combined central banks of Earth. There's Davos. There's ONE group with a few favoured meeting places.

                  [–]magus678 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Aside from disagreeing with almost this entire post, I will say that world population needs to decrease. Nearly every big problem has connections, some direct, to overpopulation.

                  [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                  my point is that there are people, and specific organizations that are conspiring to reduce human reproduction levels. it is a fact that the government has a vested interest in reducing the number of children born into poverty. there is a political and economic agenda to reduce the number of children had, and to increase the age of the parents when the children are born (widen the generation gap).

                  impossible and wrong.

                  First: the age gap is set by biology. There's wiggle-room but an older woman can not safely have a baby, old enough and none at all.

                  Second: the elites running the world want MORE poverty babies because they grow to become the most able slaves. The weakest are killed by their siblings, cousins, parents or neighbours while the strong are not strong enough or educated enough to rise up against their masters, and then make good (bad) police, heavy-lifting workers and other kinds of slaves.

                  Without an over-abundance of replacement slaves all the elites lose their power because no one will work for cheap anymore. That's the 100000% opposite of what they want.

                  [–]totorox -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                  the elites running the world want MORE poverty babies

                  500 millions seem to be deemed enough to do the menial work:

                  Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

                  Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

                  [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  another hoax, that's my point: can't trust the Georgia guide stones are anything but a hoax.

                  500 millions seem to be deemed enough to do the menial work:

                  Impossible. That wouldn't be enough to run more than a tiny country. To run the planet takes billions of slaves. 3 billion could do it but with 7 billion you have many easy replacements on-hand when each other one in-service breaks.

                  [–]bitches_be_crazy86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  TRP is just like MRA but with balls.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Some people here are sounding like victims.

                  [–]wtf_is_taken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Thanks for this. Very interesting.

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I know unicorns don't exist but damn she's pretty unique, I'd fuck her just because of her views irrelevant of her looks (unless she fat)

                  [–]MrAlester 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  First time I've heard of her, I love her.