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Men's RightsUC San Diego suspended for sexual assualt claim counter sues for lack of due process and WINS! Hope for college students everywhere! (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Miheegz

Summary :

  • UC San Diego male gets suspended from school after a sexual assault claim is levied against him. Counter-sues school for lack of a fair process/trial and wins.
  • 28 Harvard law professors have spoke out against Harvard's sexual assault procedures saying it was lacking "the most basic elements of fairness and due process" and was "overwhelmingly stacked against the accused."
  • Vice Prez of National Women's Law Center diverts attention by reminding everyone that women are the real victims.

Body :

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ucsd-sexual-misconduct-20150713-story.html


Lessons Learned :

  • All hope is not lost! Universities cannot ignore the constitutional rights of male students forever!

  • Women will jump to the defense of other women even if it means hamstering past their own expertise in the subject (eg Fatima Goss Graves, vice-president of the National Women's Law Center)

EDIT: I know I mispelled assault in the title in my excitement to share this victory


[–]JeffsRP 99 points100 points  (45 children)

Can anyone explain to me why Universities have this kind of system anyway?

If a student died, would anyone expect the University to take action in the finding and discipline of the criminal? Why is it any different for sex crimes? Fucking retarded...

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (31 children)

It's a perversion of Title IX

No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance.

Which came about from the "2011 Dear Colleague Letter".

Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 (Title IX), 20 U.S.C. §§ 1681 et seq., and its implementing regulations, 34 C.F.R. Part 106, prohibit discrimination on the basis of sex in education programs or activities operated by recipients of Federal financial assistance. Sexual harassment of students, which includes acts of sexual violence, is a form of sex discrimination prohibited by Title IX. In order to assist recipients, which include school districts, colleges, and universities (hereinafter “schools” or “recipients”) in meeting these obligations, this letter1 explains that the requirements of Title IX pertaining to sexual harassment also cover sexual violence, and lays out the specific Title IX requirements applicable to sexual violence.

Googling around will find you this: Dear Colleague Letter: Sexual Violence / Background, Summary, and Fast Facts / April 4, 2011

What are a school’s obligations under Title IX regarding sexual violence?

  • Once a school knows or reasonably should know of possible sexual violence, it must take immediate and appropriate action to investigate or otherwise determine what occurred.
  • If sexual violence has occurred, a school must take prompt and effective steps to end the sexual violence, prevent its recurrence, and address its effects, whether or not the sexual violence is the subject of a criminal investigation.
  • A school must take steps to protect the complainant as necessary, including interim steps taken prior to the final outcome of the investigation.
  • A school must provide a grievance procedure for students to file complaints of sex discrimination, including complaints of sexual violence. These procedures must include an equal opportunity for both parties to present witnesses and other evidence and the same appeal rights.
  • A school’s grievance procedures must use the preponderance of the evidence standard to resolve complaints of sex discrimination.
  • A school must notify both parties of the outcome of the complaint.

In short, schools must set up kangaroo courts to keep getting federal funding.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 42 points43 points  (17 children)

Yep... and now men are using Title IX to kick universities and colleges in the teeth when they act in this manner and it's going to become more common. This isn't the first time I've heard of someone suing the school and winning.

Eventually it may get to the point where students are suing schools frequently enough and for large enough sums that the college may realize the federal funding might not be worth it anymore. Well one can only hope.

[–]evoblade 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Our they can keep the kangaroo courts but not actually punish anyone. Raise the bar for proof higher than criminal courts.

[–]DoYouKnowTheTacoMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well once you're in the trial, I believe preponderance of evidence just means the jury judges guilty/not guilty by deciding if it's "more likely than not" as opposed to beyond a reasonable doubt.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the dear colleague letters specify appropriate punishments. After all we want the women to feel safe! And if you have such a system and ignore cases obviously (for sure these cases will be brought to you by girls who want revenge and white knights, including those in the administration) then the university can obviously be at risk. So no, once the system is in place, it will be used.

The only way out is for the judges in the system to declare that the evidence standard is not reached and punishment cannot be given.

[–]JeffsRP 5 points6 points  (2 children)

So really this is all a money grab and actually finding the truth doesn't matter? That explains why it doesn't just say "dear University, assist the police in their investigation"... Fucking stupid.

[–]FortunateBum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

EVERYTHING is a money grab.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As far as I can tell, this isn't particularly a money grab, but rather a political wind coming from the highest levels including the UN, the Pope and the people who put Obama in office and tell him what to do. It's designed to reduce the birthrate and handicap alpha males with the best genetics. I'd say it will be effective, because men now will optimally pursue other sexual strategies involving townies or just not fucking girls.

It can also be influenced to be enforced in a racially biased way. Have we ever heard of a non-white guy being attacked by this system?

[–]killcat 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well theoretically no, but the easiest way to show your taking it seriously is to expel the guy, and if there's no real consequences...

[–]Grasshopper21 4 points5 points  (7 children)

What we should do. Is get false accusations into the category of sexual harassment!

[–]IWouldRatherBeDerpin 4 points5 points  (5 children)

No, we should get it classified as assault. Somebody coming at you with a knife is them trying to take away your right to life, and somebody telling the authorities that you raped them is them trying to take away your life by stripping you of all freedoms (as going to jail does) social standing/respect and the resulting investigation will most definitely violate your right to privacy (even if you get the one cop in the county who respects all your 4th amendment rights, being thoroughly investigated for a crime you didn't commit will be an invasion of privacy.)

[–]Grasshopper21 2 points3 points  (3 children)

So classify it as sexual assault. Make false accusers sign up for the registry. Because if some chick has false accused someone once of rape I really want nothing to do with her and would like to be able to steer clear.

[–]pirateundies 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Female rapists don't even have to sign up for the registry. False accusers sure as shit won't even if it were classified as sexual assault.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Female rapists don't even have to sign up for the registry.

Is that true? Got a link? I've heard of women having to register as sex offenders, so if this is true I didn't know it.

[–]pirateundies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not a law, if that's what you're asking. Almost every female rapist that pops up on r pussypass avoids registering as a sex offender.

[–]2Overkillengine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

applicable charges/torts/whatever:

Felony Fraud (this is the big one)

Defamation of Character

Libel

Slander

Perjury

(If the accusation led to a divorce) Alienation of affections

Malicious prosecution

Intentional infliction of emotional distress

False light

The existing laws have plenty of ways to deal with false accusations right now, the issue is getting the system to actually use them consistently.

[–]1cover20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is intentional from Obama's Dept. of Education and Dept. of Justice. It might get reduced by a better president but that's likely to be slow, because the UN, the Pope and all the rest seem to be behind this type of political correctness.

Record your encounters. Best to fuck girls who are not attending the same college, if that gets you out of this "injustice system" run by the college.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Follow the money. There is over a $ Trillion in student debt now and non-STEM college degrees (the kind that most women earn) are largely useless. The strategy is to make universities an advanced daycare system for overgrown babies. Make 'em feel safe and charge through the nose. Then when they are in debt up their their eyeballs they will take any shit job to make money. PROFIT.

[–]skoobled 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Indeed. The very same was normalised in the uk in the late 90s. I'm still paying through my nose for that shit

[–]2012Aceman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The day care isn't just for keeping them pre-occupied and draining resources. It's also indoctrinating them with the University's ideology AND functions as a convenient way to keep young people out of the job force for longer.

[–]InferiousX 5 points6 points  (0 children)

advanced daycare system for overgrown babies

This is exactly how i'd describe most of my time at Uni. 20 year Olds paying 4-6k a semester to run around campus and shoot each other with nerf guns. But oh, their life is so hard cause they have an 8am lab that one day of the week.

The real world is going to murder most of these kids.

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    [–]1cover20 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    Because Obama's Department of Education issues "Dear Colleague" letters telling them to do it, and all too many leftist weenies at the universities are champing at the bit to do it anyway, like this dean who vastly increased the guy's punishment just because he appealed.

    [–]199639 18 points19 points  (1 child)

    Colleges have done this since long before Obama was president.

    [–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Not to my knowledge, at least not as egregiously. And maybe some colleges did and some didn't. Now Obama has instructed all to do it.

    [–]JakofClubs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Incidents get less publicity if they are handled in-house and universities are trying to protect their reputation.

    [–]BlueFreedom420 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Colleges are bastions of upper middle class white power. You don't want your dear sweet child getting a crime on their record? So universities in collusion with the elite allow these trials. The problem is that they have been coopted by liberals.

    [–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (24 children)

    Well done by him. He needed to win this case; far too many people have been oppressed by rape claims even when they were innocent, with absolutely no ability to defend themselves whatsoever, only being able to sit there and get bombarded by feminist hate. Hopefully this is the start of a upward spiral.

    [–]randomuserwot 8 points9 points  (7 children)

    How is this a start? If daddy can get you a good lawyer, then yeah, sure, you'll most likely be successful. But if you can't get decent legal aid then you're basically fucked. And I daresay that most people cannot afford to get a good lawyer.

    [–]GSstreetfighter 7 points8 points  (3 children)

    They call it a kangaroo court 'cause you can't have a lawyer, and preponderance is the threshhold

    [–]randomuserwot 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    I don't know much about these "college/school courts", but even if you can't technically involve a lawyer, he can still write a letter to the college/school or start a formal lawsuit, as is the case here.

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      [–]Furar 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Fun fact: my former university bans the use of any sort of legal council if you're a student caught up in absolutely any disciplinary hearing. It's the "what are you trying to hide" mentality.

      [–]randomuserwot -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I still fairly doubt they'll be able to uphold that legal reasoning once a reputable lawyer does get involved. They'll be scared shitless once the threat of a lawsuit is on the table. ALWAYS lawyer up if you can.

      [–]vicious_armbar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      How is this a start? If daddy can get you a good lawyer, then yeah, sure, you'll most likely be successful. But if you can't get decent legal aid then you're basically fucked. And I daresay that most people cannot afford to get a good lawyer.

      Many lawyers will take civil cases on a contingency basis. Meaning that if they win they get a portion of your winnings, if they lose you owe them nothing. Don't assume that just because your family doesn't have money you can't find legal representation to go after them. Ask around. Most law offices offer a free initial consultation.

      [–]RedSugarPill -5 points-4 points  (15 children)

      There is no such thing as an upward spiral; only downward. Upward is a climb.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      Ever hear of a tornado or a dust devil?

      [–]1oldredder 8 points9 points  (10 children)

      a spiral can go up or down, this is merely common usage rather than being technically correct.

      [–]itsmehobnob -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

      Think about a playground slide (imagine a spiral one!) Going down the slide requires no work and could rightly be called a downward spiral. Getting back to the top requires work and would never be called an upward spiral, but rather a climb.

      [–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      No. Think about a hurricane: requiring work doesn't make it a climb, it's still a spiral. And if I'm going up a spiral staircase I'll still call it a spiral.

      [–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (4 children)

      What would we really expect Fatima to say?

      "I feel the ruling was just and fair, and we are glad that the truth won out in the end?"

      [–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (1 child)

      Imagine a world where feminists actually cared about equality. Thats some John Lennon shit right there.

      [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      Thanks to AWALT and Briffault's Law, I cannot suffer such delusions.

      [–]garlicextract 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I mean... yeah.

      Oh, you said "expect".

      [–]nmkam 26 points27 points  (20 children)

      While there may be a few cases such as this one and (to some extent) Mattress Girl's supposed rapist being vindicated in a court of law, I still have no hope tbh. I reckon we're still very much in the early stages of this kind of reckless accusation and rape hysteria and it'll be a few years before the general public take a real look at it under a microscope and decide that it's all been exaggerations and bald-faced lies.

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        [–]1User-31f64a4e 9 points10 points  (4 children)

        In addition to the other good responses here ...

        Satanic cults were a witch hunt in the 80's.
        Dungeons and Dragons got swept into that as well, in the 80's.
        Jack Vallente and video games causing violence ( in the 90's? )
        Crime has been falling for a while, but in the 70's it was a matter of great concern.

        It seems humans are not particularly moral, but highly moralistic, and thus prone to these moral panics.

        Oh yeah, I almost forgot. In the 60's and 70's it was determined that men were pigs, women were oppressed, male-only spaces were the "old boys club" that kept women down. That's right, Women's Liberation ( aka as Feminism these days ) was the great moral panic of all time.

        And lets not forget the false rape accusation that launched the career of Al Sharpton. Tawana Brawley was in 1987; not a witch hunt, but still.

        [–]waylandertheslayer 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        [–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I was waiting for the Chick tract to show up.

        [–]king_of_red_alphas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Lol. I remember the D&D panic. There was even some cheesy TV movie of kids dying in the sewers trying to play D&D "for real".

        I think the 70's had a lot of serial killers and paranoia but seems less marked with mass panic as the 80's.

        80's shad commies, drugs and nuclear war as the prime fears. Lots of movies made about crazy Russians back then. I remember constant stories about fruit flies and Aids too. Not saying these threats weren't real but it was definitely a tangible fear and paranoia in the air in that decade.

        Shit, does anybody remember the "explosion" of shark attacks happening in September of 2001? Turns out attacks were actually down from previous years but the 24 hour news cycle needed some drama. Obviously they got that drama on the 11th.

        [–]Squeezymypenisy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        It was still communists in the 80s. Same with 70s along with war on drugs. Reagans campaign ran on fighting communism.

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          [–]JakofClubs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          There was a more immediate problem in the 70's. Gas prices and stagflation.

          [–]king_of_red_alphas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Man this point needs to be driven home again and again. Whatever your boogeyman, you are a victim of the fear / blame addiction that modern society has succumbed to. It's always something and now with the internet people can feed their fear and hysteria at incredible rates. It's also very easy to find an echo chamber as it just takes a few thousand like minded people on the planet to start a victimization and fear circle jerk directed at just about any group.

          The trick is to not play that game. Call it stoicism, Buddhism or just not giving a fuck.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          P.S. what were they boogeymen of the 70s/80s?

          • Dietary fat
          • Communists
          • Labor unions
          • Terrorists / hijackers
          • Great white sharks
          • Gangs
          • Idi Amin, Muammar Gaddafi, and Ayatolla Khomeni
          • Deadbeat dads
          • Satanists
          • Satanic messages recorded backwards on rock and roll albums
          • Kidnapping
          • Drugs
          • OJ Simpson

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          not so much boogeymen, people are always looking to do terrible things to people that they can justify were doing terrible things.

          [–]RedPillarOfSalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Drugs were more 80s than 90s. 80s was Nancy Reagan, "Just Say No", and D.A.R.E. The drug boogeymen of the 90s was just the leftovers of that.

          The 80s also had the daycare sex-abuse hysteria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

          The 90s was fairly hysteria/boogymen free compared to more recent times, but raves, goth/Marilyn Manson kids, teen runaways, etc were all boogeymen of one kind or another. Basically the 90s had lots of hysteria over whatever boogeymen were on daytime talk shows.

          The 80s was mostly hysteria over whatever conservative society didn't like about the 60s and 70s (drugs, sex, music), plus the dying embers of the cold war, plus AIDS.

          AIDS and Cold War hysterias in the 80s were kinda justified though.

          [–]Miheegz[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

          I agree we are still in the early stages but it doesn't have to be years. Like all civil rights cases we just need the perfect poster case to trully display the lack of fairness and potential irreversable damage to students. A case where a upstanding male gets expelled despite evidence in his favor solely on the females word/lies. His life goes to shit and years later after the poor guys life is ruined the truth comes out.

          Thats a perfect case but we just need one to be jarring enough that your average person will be forced to look past the feminist victim playing and fear mongerering rapant college sexual assault.

          [–]nmkam 13 points14 points  (4 children)

          The thing is, we have had that (I think) with the Duke Lacrosse case, the Wanetta Gibson case and the Occidental College case. People unfortunately DGAF about men and the shit we go through with manipulative women and their underhand bullshit (after all we're the stronger sex and should be able to handle the emotional distraught dealt to us despite the feminist idea of "equality") so it will take something massive to shift the general public perception.

          [–]RedPillarOfSalt 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          Well as each case happens and adds to the list, it seems that the attention is growing. Tawana Brawley, Duke, UVA, etc etc. As time goes on each new case brings up mention of the past ones, and they build together into a collective case history.

          I don't think it will just be one giant case that breaks through, but rather the continued collection of new undeniable cases that will build into a crescendo.

          This is how civil rights for was blacks built. Individual lynchings, the kkk, etc built up to a point where by the time Emmet Till was killed there was an undeniable trend that collectively pushed to a breaking point.

          This is known as CREEPING NORMALITY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeping_normality

          Creeping normality is also the way in which feminists institute sexist changes in society. Not all at once, but rather in tiny easy to swallow pieces.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          The boiling a frog alive approach...

          [–]1cover20 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Or major damages settlements against falsely complaining women, universities or both.

          Universities see no risk in abusing men. If all that has to happen here is the student is readmitted, then there's still no fear. They've got to dread what can happen if they abuse men and are found to be wrong.

          But as the legal landscape is now, that may be impossible. They are just following the instructions of Obama's Department of Education, which tells them to use a "preponderance of evidence" standard rather than "beyond reasonable doubt", and that they should have their own system that does not give the accused the due process he would get in the real legal system.

          [–]TinFoilWizardHat 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Good. This bullshit needs to end.

          [–]fullhalf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          i'm so fucking sick of cases where women are fucking a guy then fuck him but say she didn't want to, then fuck him again after then months later say he raped her. the lines need to be drawn more clearly than that. women don't get to just decide how they feel about a situation long afterwards because the man can't do anything about that. she has to decided in that very moment if she was raped or not. she has to decide in that very moment to say no. it's the stupidest shit ever. men and women already do this silent dance with each other. have you ever ask a girl, do you want to fuck? no, you feel her up and shit and see her response. sometimes a girl resists at first, it's just part of how the game is played. in fact, a girl who overtly comes on to you is often a turnoff.

          just because a girl let a guy fuck her then he doesn't care about her afterwards, that doesn't fucking mean he raped her. just like how girls say a guy shouldn't expect sex in return for money or gifts. a girl shouldn't automatically expect emotional payment after sex. shit runs both ways, ladies.

          [–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Fuck yes. Precedent is set. The next guys now have a case to point to, and their lawyers too.

          Get fucked by the long dick of the law UC San Diego. We have due process in America you fucks.

          [–]miladmaaan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I go to UCSD. Couldn't be happier to see this guy get justice. Especially happy because it makes our school a safer place for men.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Do these idiots not realize the tide is turning? Every single comment is disgusted with this bullshit.

          [–]Subtletorious 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          While this verdict is good news for an individual student the system still remains in place. No penalty has been given against any individual or institution. Unfortunately, in America, money talks, and until universities feel financial pain they won't change their policies. Remember, it was threats of loss of federal monies which caused the creation of these kangaroo courts in the first place. Until the financial threat from a liability suit matches the risk of loss of federal funding the system won't change.

          [–]1oldredder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          given how caselaw works this really can lead to penalties against all similarly-offending parties in the future.

          [–]Beakersful 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          "This woman has complained that you (a man) have harassed her. Answer these four charges by email and then turn up for a meeting with me."

          "I'm being ambushed, I have evidence for everything I said and I stand by it. Here are my four answers. See you at the meeting."

          At meeting:

          "You must now answer four charges."

          "You brought 4 charges against me, you're repeating one and now have three fresh ones. That is seven in total. Here is the evidence which leading to me making the statements that this woman committed criminal acts (taps folder) What's up? Realised I have evidence of severe wrong doing and trying to attack me, take me out in revenge? You managed to kick my associate out using the same procedure. You won't get me out."

          "I don't want to see that evidence. Answer the charges"

          "My answers can only be that I said what I said based upon this clear evidence, with witnesses. Now I am removing the evidence from the table and you may call the police in. I will now only show them it. And by the way, take security to her office and check the document they put up on the notice board that can only be classed as bullying and must result in her removal from the premises."

          End of meeting. She heads over to find the proof. A few days later a letter arrives. I have nothing to answer to anymore, but I must not harass the woman again. FFS!!!

          This shit has been going on too long.

          [–]thrway1312 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Just transferred to a university and part of our orientation was watching this video about sexual assault which dramatically highlighted the fact they're removing all sense of responsibility from young women and passing the buck to young men.

          There was one guy that spoke up and questioned the lack of responsibility on the girl's part (why is only the man charged with sexual assault?, etc.) and that got exactly the expectation you'd expect -- the student orientation leaders started throwing buzz words and my favorite quote from the discussion -- "if you're not sober, you can't give consent" -- i.e. as soon as alcohol touches lips, girls can't be held accountable for their actions.

          For me it was a firm reminder that 1) debating is utterly pointless in these semi-public forums, and 2) think as you want but act as others.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Ivy league law professors speaking out is a big deal. Those universities are the epicenter of feminism

          [–]u-r-silly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yup, women are the real victims or these false rape claims, in the long run...

          [–]fuck_da_haes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Nothing will change, only scholarship will be even more expensive now, because schools already funnel money into insurance for exactly this cases ... NOTHING will change.

          [–]2alisonstone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It's pretty obvious that actual court rooms will disagree with these college kangaroo courts. Virtually all the law professors disagree with it (and therefore likely all the judges would disagree too since they are basically the same breed).

          The biggest problem for now is that the damage is done already. The guy's reputation is dragged through the mud. He lost 1-2 years of his life dealing with this shit. And even if he is declared innocent, he is still unemployable because no employer wants get get remotely close to this stuff. It's pretty hard for the kid to explain why there is a gap in his transcript for the year or two he is fighting this in court, and any employer can just Google him to figure out what happened.

          It isn't a win for the wrongfully accused until multi-million dollar settlements are issued to compensate him.

          [–]BlueFreedom420 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          And then feminists get politicians trying to get the female vote to just make it harder to sue schools. Rape Sword law.