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Red Pill TheoryThe T-Shirt Test (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker

This is the most simple, effective way to assess your physical value. No hamstering, no bullshit - just wear a plain, fitted T (not super tight, but not loose either) and ask yourself one question: Do I look good in a t shirt?

If you don't look good in a T-shirt, you're not in aesthetic shape. You might squat 315, you might be able to do X or Y, but you're not capable of just putting on a 10$ shirt, going out, and being attractive.

If you can't feel and look good in a basic T shirt, you aren't going to have the confidence spilling out that you need. It's not just about looks; it's about you being able to look good and feel with 100% confidence that you know you're base - your body - is arousing to women.

This is all pretty much in "no shit" territory, but here's where guys fail to apply this test. You got some dude complaining that he can't get women because he's short, but of course, I'd ask the question "do you pass the T Shirt Test?"

No, they never do. They can't put on a t shirt and look good. If they uploaded a pic, we'd know quickly that it wasn't the height that was the problem.

Same thing with minorities. You can't get women because you're yellow / brown / black / blue / magenta.... OK, upload a pic of yourself in a T Shirt. We'll see what the problem is, and it's not your skin tone. It's your tone in general, you look like shit in a basic t shirt.

"But... but I don't wear a t shirt when I go out, I'm well dressed goddamnit, I read malefashion advice! I'm never actually going to pick up in a t shirt."

Well, you should be able to. If you cannot feel comfortable meeting and talking to girls in a plain T, then you've got serious work to do.

Before you talk about any problem or any limitation that's blocking you from success, I'd urge you to answer this simple question. Do you feel good about yourself and know you objectively look good in a fitted T? If you don't, then just take a step back and realize that your problems might be more simple and surface level than you think.

It might not be a grand conspiracy or a massive societal problem that's stopping you from getting laid; it might just be that you're not comfortable in your own body because you know your own body isn't attractive. It might just be that your body language sucks despite all the body language books you read, and this is because subconsciously you know your body isn't up to snuff.

After this test, there's really only two more things to worry about. Eye Contact and Voice Tone. Can you meet hot girls eyes and not look away / look down? Can you let your gaze linger and feel comfortable letting her know that you do want her? And with voice tone, can you speak loud and deep without going upwards in inflection? If you can speak through her - as though your voice is piercing through her like a lance rather than just reaching her - and you can avoid faltering, approval seeking voice tones that sound like questions, then you're going to get laid.

If you pass the T-Shirt, Eye Contact, and Voice Tone test, then just get your ass in front of enough women, and you'll fuck plenty. For everyone describing problems in their sex life, or even their relationship life, I'd advise you to just make sure you can pass these tests. Chances are, your problems will go away.

I have never met a short guy with a good body, good voice tone, and good eye contact who wasn't smashing some pussy. Everyone thinks they are the exception - "Bro I am Indian and 5'4'' and I am in good shape, no accent, and I can't get girls! I pass all these tests man, my SMV is high, but I can't..."

Okay, upload a pic. Record like 10 seconds of you saying ANYTHING, fuck read a Harry Potter book for 10 seconds. How much do you want to bet all the problems will come out? You sound like a timid manlet, you are skinnyfat, you don't look good in a T-Shirt. I would bet my left nut that when you talk a basic 7, like a low tier sorority girl with a butterface and passable body, you still get darting, shifting eyes. So your problem has nothing to do with race and height. You've got plenty to work on before you formulate an opinion on looks versus money versus status.

Since I know a lot, like a metric shit ton, of incels read TRP (since our lingo basically winds up becoming their lingo on their subreddits)... just take a deep breath and be honest with yourself. Women didn't make you fail the T shirt test. Just avoid forming ideological conclusions for now - focus on passing these 3 tests then afterwards if you still think X and Y about women and society, then fine. But don't decide how you feel about the sexual marketplace when you haven't developed the BARE MINIMUM required to participate in it.

We have a million and one posts about fitness, so this isn't one about that. It's a post about hamstering - I see so many people agonizing over these minor facets of SMV or coming up with reasons for why they can't get laid, and coming up with these ridiculous solutions (I need to move across the country to somewhere where there's less asians/indians, and I'll be more exotic there! That'll do it!). When in reality, you just need to build a minimum viable product for the SMP. That's it.


[–]3whatsthisgarg 246 points247 points  (18 children)

This is the kind of simple, actionable, usefully non-specific, rock-bottom true posts that we used to see more of two years ago. Bonus for being calm and lacking the hectoring tone that puts people off. What I mean by "non-specific" is that this applies to EVERY man, regardless of his body type.

This really is what women like: a fit torso. That's it. Yes, they definitely like a tall guy who is not bald, but there isn't much you can do about those things. Just about everybody can do something about their fitness.

Adding eye contact and voice tone is also brilliant. Well done.

Contrast this post with the one about shaving with your grandpa's razor.

Edit to emphasize: Women like a fit torso on a man above all else. Compare these 1970s icons of masculinity: Robert DeNiro, Clint Eastwood, and Robert Blake. You can find tv and movies of them all in T-shirts, looking good, all with completely different heights and builds.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (8 children)

I see a fair amount of posts that are just basic sidebar knowledge combined with a tremendous amount of cursing, mostly towards the 'beta' reader.

[–]trippinallday 36 points37 points  (3 children)

TRP only goes so deep. There's a limit to the content that can be produced that is inherently "red pill". IMO you just need to be told the same thing in enough different ways for it to stick.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I get that. I was talking more about the way the post is written.

Like this post, at its core, is just saying 'control what you can and don't sweat what you can't before then'

I've seen that message before. But instead of just another 'you're a bitch, get in fucking shape fat ass because nobody fucking cares about you!' writeup, he took a nice spin on things.

[–]trippinallday 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's definitely a nice spin, however I believe the intense profane posts are important. We can all sit here and appreciate the intellectualism of this post, however it's not as hard hitting and emotional as other posts are.

For the average person who ends up here, who probably has never had serious hardship in their life and has been coddled by society, being called a bitch can be exactly what they need. They've never had it anywhere else. Harsh criticism builds character.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That works, but not when it's overused on half of the posts on here. And it can work in moderation, too. A few well placed curses can be much more effective than a fuck every sentence.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I'll admit this is super basic to the point of being shitposty. I just find this subreddit overrrun by two types of people.

Type 1 who thinks you have to be 6'2''+, 200lbs, 8%bf, 150k+, white, good facial aesthetics, etc to fuck 8s. Nope.

And Type 2 who thinks that they are high SMV because they have internalized the principles and knowledge that high SMV men tend to have. They think their failure must stem from some larger sociological wave or conspiracy. Racism / classism is real, but you're a SJW if you're going to parade around acting like that's why you're not getting laid when you look like the male equivalent of a tumblrina.

And these guys aren't complete BP retards; they get TRP to some degree and they do understand red pill ideas, they just take it to completely ridiculous conclusions in order to stroke their ego.

[–]alexclarkbarry 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"they just take it to completely ridiculous conclusions in order to stroke their ego" After thinking about that for a minute realize people apply this thinking to everything in life they fail at, not limited to inability to get laid. And this is a problem with most of society

[–]Ozymanberg 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It is a refreshing change of pace not having the poster calling you a 'faggot' and 'pussy' about 30 times. Not because I feel offended, it just comes off as lame and edgy.

That being said, a well placed 'pussy' could be enough to slap a beta from his whining. So I guess it's just balance.

[–]ThatBoyBillClinton 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have to start it off with good insights or evaluations. You want them to read something and think "this guy knows what's up" first. Once that is on the record, you can actually get through to them with a "bitch" or "pussy" because they aren't able to just pretend your an idiot

[–]cas_999 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Yeah man. First post I've actually clicked on and read from trp in a long ass time

[–]valdirtheblue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't bookmark often, but when I do, its for quality posts like these!

[–]Jelqing21 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Marlon Brando, the ultimate pussy soaker, was 5'9 on a good day. We watched streetcar in English a couple years ago and I've seriously never heard women literally swoon out loud like that before (although they all completely changed tune when he spoke, which relates back to your point about voice inflection).

James Dean at 5'8 with no muscle to speak of.

Also, Robert Blake is 5'4 and ugly. Yet he's one of the guys you listed for a reason.

DeNiro and Al Pacino are both under 6 foot and both had little muscle.

Eastwood was skinnyfat, although he's 6'4 and has top tier facial aesthetics so it's more than negated.

Almost all the guys you and I listed are viewed how they are not because of their looks (all of them are average facially except Dean, Brando and Eastwood and all of them are average body wise except Brando) but because of the energy they put out and how they carried themselves.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the energy they put out and how they carried themselves.

Correct, and a lot of good points you made. However, I have to disagree with two:

Brando was not good-looking in the face. He was a mug. That was the whole point of most of his early casting. Still attractive, because of the other factors.

You guys saying Clint Eastwood was skinnyfat need glasses and you need to get Zac Efron out of your spank bank. You picked a bad picture from when he was younger. Have you seen Thunderbolt and Lightfoot?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought Clint was skinny fat?

[–]Boovs4life 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nooooo why'd it get removed? I had it saved for later goddammit

[–]segagaga 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately despite your words of support, OP has removed the post. Perhaps as the top comment you could briefly summarise his post?

[–]zuneza -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Dont forget killer legs man. I've met some ladies that really loved my legs.

[–]Olongapo 73 points74 points  (18 children)

Can confirm and I'm over 60.....It's the same principle of hip/waist ratio that causes men to turn their eye on a woman. My waist is 1 inch smaller than I had in Basic in 1971. The cut on my arms is incredible and my stomach is flat (not 6 pack flat) but flat none-the-less. I wear T-shirts all the time except when I have to wear something else. They're "tightish" and they do generate a lot of kino from women of all ages. That's almost easier than opening with me for younger women because of the age difference thing. They touch me, they lean into me, they put their tiny little hands on my muscular shoulders. This has taken me years to get to. Diet, gym 5x/week that includes lifting, core, and cardio, and never ever wanting to go back to grandpa bod (like dad bod but only worse).

This puts me into a 5% catagory for fitness for my age group. It's a lot of work.

[–]1lurkingtacopiller 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Over 60 I'd say it's safe to say you're top 1% of your age group. I plan on being able to say the same when the time comes

[–]rubenbrasil 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Shouldnt be too hard honestly. From an appearance perspective. Status is a different beast. Those old geezers been in the career game for almost a half century.

[–]Olongapo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dunno....at the gym I go to there a number of men and women my age or older who have significant discipline. Of course, this may be all in my city.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Word. Shoulder to waist ratio is our golden ratio, and being in that shape you're describing is sadly more than most 20 year olds are accomplishing today. The work required is definitely way higher for you, so all the more props for keeping it.

[–]Olongapo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I appreciate it. I have fewer days ahead of me than behind me. I still like to travel and hike and sometimes stay up late. Here's the funny thing, women just ain't that important now. My "missions" are but having been married a couple of times and worked my ass off for nothing, I would rather pack my carry on and travel solo to Buenas Aries to see what I can find.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Nice to see you here, old man. I appreciate your opinions and point of view.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Over 60 I'd say your top 1% for sure. Very motivating comment. Gives me hope to remain a bachelor forever if you are getting lots of kino at 60.

[–]Olongapo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm late to bachelorhood. Marriages, kids, careers, etc.....all done with. I am serious about the girl kino. It's just a riot!!

[–]itooktrp 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Thanks for that comment, here i am at 38 wondering and hamstering about "my age". Im starting at an mma gym tonight which will help me in the Cardio department, i already hit deep-ass-squats at 100kg but my damn stomach won't go flat... work to be done.

The search for perfection is endless.

[–]Seddit55 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Zerocarb destroyed my fat belly. Hope that helps

[–]itooktrp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thank you, do have a specific author book or diet that you followed, how about a link? Cheers.

[–]SgtBuchanon74 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Diet, dumbledwarf. Dont fucking hamster either like OP described how his indian example swear theyre chiseled and ripped and have a "high smv." If you are eating clean, youre probably not getting the calories on point. You may be overestimating calories burned, underestimating your metabolism, etc.

4000 calories of salads is still gonna gain weight. 2000 calories of shit junk food will lose weight.

[–]Olongapo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The stomach is done in the kitchen unfortunately......I have to do this now. It ain't a choice.

[–]purplecabbage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and never ever wanting to go back to grandpa bod (like dad bod but only worse).

As a 44 yo, this make me lol for real. Congrats, alpha senior, nice work!

[–]invisiblearmies 30 points31 points  (8 children)

In college, I called this the Target test... if you bought your clothes at Target (because you were a broke ass college kid) and you still got complements on what you were wearing, "where's it from?" etc. etc. you passed.

...nobody really complements your clothes. They just complement the way you look in them.

[–]redpill-account 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Pat mcafee ( former punter for the Colts and major Broking (in a good way) talked about how he bought all his t shirts from target.

They do make some bomb solid color tees

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

you listen to his new podcast? solid

[–]redpill-account 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have not, will check it out.

Dude is hilarious

[–]Gf_gets_around 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What did you buy at Target that people had to ask about?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

just so you know its compliments. complement is like how water complements surfing. compliment is what you're going for. doesnt matter but girls will notice in text and what not, good advice.

[–][deleted]  (2 children)

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    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    when youre paying me for my time ill gladly use proper syntax. when im relaxing on a sunday on reddit ill type in a manner of my cHoOsInG. end of the day that guy had no idea he has been using the wrong word.

    [–]deville05 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    I agree. Fuck that guy for his useless comment.

    [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    RIP this dude's inbox. Died of selfie overload.

    [–]Armydude19 38 points39 points  (0 children)

    If your stomach pokes out before your chest does.....You failed.

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    [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    Yeah, there's definitely a lot to go into in terms of posture and how kyphotic posture is very beta. Normally I don't describe things as beta or alpha, but if you think about what kyphosis is - abducted shoulders (curved in, minimizing V taper), head / chin forward (minimizing height, looking down), depressed / tight chest (closed, uncomfortable, defensive), hunched / hyper-extended spine (minimizing your height like you're trying to hide) - it's really exposing a ton of beta give-aways. You're communicating to her that you're trying to look smaller, hide from attention, not take up space, and orient yourself towards the ground.

    The typical programmer / gamer posture already has 5-6 beta tells and that's just from stationary posture. When you walk and move, the muscular imbalances will cause more problems, like it's hard to walk directly up to someone with a straight, tall, relaxed / not rigid posture if you have lower back, abs, and hips problems.

    [–]mrbluesdude 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Damn, I spend a lot of time in front of the computer and really need to work on this. Any advice besides the foam roller? I imagine yoga would be good as well.

    [–]samenrofringslikeLBJ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Kyphosis is fixable,http://www.exrx.net/Kinesiology/Posture.html this website is hands down the bible of fitness, read the section on kyphosis there. It should have everything from stretching too exercises.

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      [–]acartoontiger 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Hey I have been looking for a few good upper back exercises for the same reason, could you give me a few recommendations?

      [–]5xtheflava 20 points21 points  (1 child)

      Great post, I've been saying this forever.

      Average and below-average guys can look great in a suit/tux or expensive "casual wear", but it only takes a well-built guy in a cheap T shirt to come along and steal all the attention.

      [–]theONE843663 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      Not just a cheap T... But a cheap T from fucking Walmart!

      [–]dickcurls 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      Great freaking post. It might fall under "obvious" at first glance, but most great advice is simple and sitting right under our nose. I agree with all of this and I know I have some work to do, particularly with eye contact and speaking up. Okay, maybe a little in the physical as well.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      I only wear t-shirts. What am I doing wrong?

      [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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        [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        So you're saying I should wear pants too?

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

        Okay, upload a pic. Record like 10 seconds of you saying ANYTHING, fuck read a Harry Potter book for 10 seconds. How much do you want to bet all the problems will come out? You sound like a timid manlet, you are skinnyfat, you don't look good in a T-Shirt. I would bet my left nut that when you talk a basic 7, like a low tier sorority girl with a butterface and passable body, then you still get darting, shifting eyes. So your problem has nothing to do with race and height.

        I record every conversation I have now, and then I listen it afterwards in order to analyze my interaction with my coworkers and see what I can improve. Been doing it for maybe a month or two.

        The first week - oh boy. Too many fluctuations in my voice, too much uhh-ing, and not very clear ideas. Every little imperfection jumps at you because in your mind you sound eloquent.

        Especially the last bit. When you speak, you are forming ideas in your head and then communicating them, often not realizing that people can't really read your mind. For instance, at some point a coworker asked me if I had trouble getting to work, to which I answered "yeah it didn't start". It was clear as day that 'it' was my car and he probably understood it as such, but it really bothered me how unclear my speech was.

        [–]Late30sMasculist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I record every conversation I have now, and then I listen it afterwards in order to analyze my interaction with my coworkers and see what I can improve.

        How do you do this? On your cell phone? Do you use an external mic, or just the phone itself? I've been thinking of doing the same for similar reasons.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Phone itself. Stock android microphone app. I strongly recommend against an external mic, you fucking autist lol.

        [–]Ozymanberg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I'm actually thinking about doing this... With dates, even. Not in a creepy way obviously, but I'd be fascinated to hear my own conversations without my own biased brain at the moment.

        That mind-reading thing is true, too. I figured a bit late in life that just because I understand my own contexts and thoughts, it doesn't mean the words I'm using exude those same thoughts. It might sound obvious but I genuinely didn't comprehend how bad I was at expressing myself.

        Edit: Though, now that I think about it, if I start recording, I'll be talking with an audience in mind. I'll try it anyways.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        You're not doing it in a creepy way, but they don't know the true reason you're recording the conversation, so they'll automatically assume something creepy, maybe that you're masturbating to the audio of your dates. So if you record dates and you think of whipping your phone out in order to show her something, be mindful of the fact that most recording apps have a notification on your bar and a push notification on your lock screen.

        Also there's nothing wrong with talking with an audience in mind. At worst it keeps you on your toes and makes you express yourself better, which is a good thing either way.

        [–]Top_Ozone 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        What are you using to record your convos?

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Microphone of my android. It's a stock app, I think all android phones have it.

        [–]oZeplikeo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Do you just record with your phone discretely or some other device?

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        [–]JustinDX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Its chest day. Chest and arms. Every day. LETS GOOOOO

        [–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Good post

        The thing is, most skinny fats will still think they look good in a t-shirt because they aren't a 600 pound whale who looks like the mom from Gilbert Grape.

        When I was a lazy skinny fat loser I thought I looked good in a T-Shirt because I wasn't obese. It took me failing the swimsuit test that lit a fire under my ass.

        [–]droppingghz 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        Guys, this is it. I came to this conclusion over a month ago when I found an old t-shirt and put it on. Being recently separated (she initiated it), and having read most of the side-bar, I had no excuses. Joined a gym, and it's been three weeks (weights, rep until I cannot. machines, pull/stretch/whatever until I cannot or am panting too much. bike, ride for 20kms). Putting on that crappy old t-shirt again, I look awesome compared just 3 weeks ago and I'm totally addicted to the gym (it's fun to reach new sit-up numbers). It's so easy once you get started. If I can, anyone can. Go TRP dudes!

        [–]GenghisBangis 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Posts like these always seem to contradict other red pill ideas to me.

        I'm in my junior year of college and I've been running since cross country season during my freshman year of high school. I love running 5k's, color runs, zombie runs, etc. I've been training to run my first marathon this year.

        Any runner will understand how difficult it is to put on muscle. I cross train by going to the gym and I enjoy swimming too, but I've never had a reason to start bulking and lifting 5x a week until I learned about the red pill.

        My interpretation of TRP is to become the best version of yourself, to become more knowledgeable about human behavior, and to live a life that you genuinely enjoy. I genuinely enjoy running, but if I were to follow red pill teachings blindly I would have to give up running so that I could put on muscle to look good in a plain t shirt.

        This sub preaches that physical health is extremely important, but posts that preach only of aesthetic muscles lose credibility in my eyes. They contradict the idea of being your best self because everyone can be in great shape in different ways.

        The trade off to earning a bigger chest, for me, would be to give up one of my passions. If I give up my passions in the attempt to gain the validation of more women, then that is a negative trade off. Being genuine with myself is more important, and more attractive, than lifting simply to earn more validation from women, is it not?

        [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You're overcomplicating things. TRP is saying "this is a set of ideas that surround sexual strategy and related topics that you can use to improve your sexual success - and other areas you'd like to be more successful in"

        You don't have to only apply TRP to sex. TRP is objective, fact-based logic applied to a specific set of areas - but you can still apply that same fact-based objective approach to other areas of your life. If you have broken down the logic behind how running works for you, and you've determined to optimize for success there you need to be super wiry, and there's evidence that you can't put on more muscle and keep up your running success, then that's fine.

        Think about it on a deeper level, TRP is not just saying "look good in a t shirt above all else." It's saying if you want to be more sexually successful, then look better in a t shirt. If you'd rather be more successful at running than put on some more muscle, that's fine. Just admit what you're doing and don't hamster about it. Just say "I want to optimize my body for running instead of getting pussy because running is more important to me than pussy, so if I have to choose one area to take a hit in, it's pussy."

        That is fine and completely within the lens of TRP.

        [–]TabletThrowaway1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        This is something I realized looking at male instagram fashion models, a lot of these "outfits" are ripped jeans a plain t-shirt ... on 190lbs of 7% bodyfat.

        [–]TheSp4rk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Thanks for bringing back the simple advice & reminding folks that hamstering works both ways. Good tone, content, value.

        [–]Screenp2 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Great post bro! As a guy who has printed T-shirts the last 30 years it's all I wear. Be sure to match the cut of the shirt to your body profile. There are a lot of really good T-shirts out there and just as many bad ones.

        The 30 and 40 singles fashion cuts are designed to fit the in-shape body rather than the tube style ring spun. Side seams and hemmed shoulders fit the neck and arms better and nothing looks better than a set of guns stressing out the bottom seem of your sleeves.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        I have a medium shirt fit but I need XL width shoulder seams and a large length waist. Do you know of any custom shirt sizing companies? 23M 6'2 200lbs

        [–]epixs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        target mossimo v necks are great. I'm bigger than u and had the same problem, the Large sizes at target vnecks/crew necks are great fit for athletic guys

        [–]Screenp2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        We're about the same size, you have 2" on me and I wear JS Apparel, my favorite cut and shape and it's US made out of LA, 2X size for a loose fit and XL for a snug fit. Has a longer body, ring spun with all the qualities I like in a quality made product.

        http://jsapparel.net/

        [–]GunsGermsAndSteel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Can I upvote this a few more times?

        [–]Howdoiusesync 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        I don't really add to this sub much but I'm going to try now.

        I somewhat did this last night at a function I was invited to where I knew 3 people out of 90.

        To start this off, I was wearing a plain hoodie I just bought at h&m nothing fancy. I then haven't had a hair cut in a couple of months. I went in there with 2 of my boys and we ended up taking charge of the entire party.

        My personal experience was interesting, being a 21 year old male, I got hit on by a 30 year old doctor, she was cute. Kino was made and everything but her husband showed up eventually. After that I made some interesting experiences, from talking to a guy who works on wall street to a guy who owns his own business in the tech world.

        Overall, I was underdressed. Still turn the experience around and made a bunch of new connections. Your attitude matters the most, always.

        [–]i_forget_my_userids 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You're probably taking "assume attraction" a little too far.

        [–]SkullCandyDude101 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Someone just spam disliked all of our comments.

        [–]3whatsthisgarg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You didn't indicate your age.

        [–]1v1mebruh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        thanks for this. great post. please post more if you ever have other ideas you want to share, these posts are a breath of fresh air

        [–]epixs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I get so many comments when I wear a fitted vneck or crew neck from target. Put some chinos or jeans on wit that and some casual loafers. Amazing results bruhs

        [–]Mescuzzi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This fucking hits home with me soooo well.

        I've been working out for 10 years, I get IOI's like a motherfucker, but I've just recently been awoken to TRP. Correcting posture is such a bitch, and making more eye contact has been a tough process, but it's been something that I've been trying to practice everyday. Used to be a little beta bitch, still trying to get woke.

        The posture will not go away overnight, definitely need to continue working out, while incorporating a chin-back, lift the back of your skull up and back during EVERY exercise that you can, especially squats and deadlifts.

        Keep at it fellas, shit doesnt happen overnight!

        [–]Battle-Scars 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        T-shirt test for a man is like the yoga pants test for a woman.

        [–]STFUIDGAFUCK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Thanks OP. Pretty good directions for improvement.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yep said this before on here. Alot of times I get more looks in a 10 dollar t shirt than a 100 dollar button down.

        [–]676767throw 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        -pass tshirt test -pass eye contact no problem -have vocal training,pass that too still manage to be in dryspell. does my game just suck that bad?

        [–]i_forget_my_userids 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Either that or you overestimate yourself

        [–]676767throw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        im actually seriously confused as to my low success rate.

        not to sound too arrogant but ive been training for long enough, have a good body and get loads of compliments on it too. Ive done a lot of acting work and therefore have more than enough knowledge and experience in voice and eye contact. On top of that i have plenty of hobbies and am a well cultured guy. Ive never really been good a club game, i can hold a decent conversation at the smoking area but something is missing. Could be that im coming on too strong? Find it hard to meet girls that are worth talking to and when i do its great but they all flake.

        i guess the biggest problem may be due to this long dryspell im getting desperate and thus emitting that air?

        [–]suske127 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Most guys will see this and assume it means they need to get bigger/smaller/stronger etc.

        However, I have improved my physical appearence 1000% over the last year or so and only gained 3-4 pounds (same bodyfat %) ~ All I did was put on those 3-4 pounds and fix my posture.

        That was what did it for me, my posture. And I'm now at least twice as attractive. If you can convey confidence then you're ahead of most other dudes who slouch and stare at the floor

        [–]Whorehoy26 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Posture s totally a major component. I used to box all throughout my teenage years, so I always had an athletic body. Toned, very cut up muscles but my posture was always a little off, I slouched. Let me tell you, when I fixed that, no bs, my count went way up..it's made my 5'10" look like 6'. Chest out, shoulders back and chin up

        [–]suske127 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You got it; Chest out, shoulders back, chin up. I have tight traps too, so I had to focus a little on pulling my shoulders downward. Once you do those things people treat you different

        [–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

         

        I've never been fat and always had fairly good muscle definition, though I could have bulked more.

        Back in the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's male physical bulk wasn't that popular.

        Arnold Schwarzenegger really was the pioneer in the image of male form.

        As a kid (1960's) body building was considered something a bit odd.

        I know that the parents of Arnold Schwarzenegger were very concerned he was gay when he got into bodybuilding. (it's an interesting story)

        But today... yeah... muscles are in style.

         

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2184987/Arnold-Schwarzeneggers-parents-worried-posters-men-oiled-little-briefs-thought-gay.html

         

        Arnold Schwarzenegger’s parents feared he was gay when he was a teenager because he worshipped bodybuilders.

        His mother Aurelia phoned a doctor because she thought her son was 'turning south' due to all the pictures of oiled up males on his bedroom walls.

        In fact, the future Terminator star was just obsessed with bodybuilding and already had his sights on being the next Mr Universe.

         

        [–]slurmfactory 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Growing up skinny fat, then fat, then skinny... when i got to being able to pass the tshirt test nothing felt better. Wearing a soft, cotton shirt in a slim fit... and watching girls stare at me. Gotta get back to that (i lift a lot but have too much bodyfat.) This post is gold.

        [–]purplecabbage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Thotwrecker telling it like it is. Love the T-shirt test, it's a good one. I knew when I didn't look good in one. Now when I wear one I relish not having a spare tire. I KNOW I'm rocking the T!

        [–]whistleclick 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        And just like that I'm inspired to do an extra set of push-ups.

        [–]6ix_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Top notch post. I feel like I'm getting there.

        [–]HeligKo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        If you are only squatting 315, then you better look good in a tee, because those legs aren't going to grab any attention, squatting what the strong guys are benching. In general, you are right, if a tee doesn't look good on you, you have some work to do. Do it for your self esteem though, not for the carousel riders.

        [–]lonewolf-chicago 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You nailed it brother. It all comes down to simplicity.

        [–]Toxicbutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Is it just me or does a medium t-shirt now in days seem to be so fucking wide I looks like a fucking night gown. It's like the t-shirt companies think people that wear mediums have 40in waists now. Oh wait McDonald's.

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        [–]TabletThrowaway1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        why was this deleted? am I gonna have to copy anything I want to read more than once here :|

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Why was the post removed? It was a damn good post; which I wanted to save.

        [–]WerewolfofWS -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        If you have an ugly face - it means nothing.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        I'm not going to upload a mugshot, but trust me, I am a personal testament to the fact that you're face matters less than you think it does. Facially ugly dudes do suffer, but like with short men, it's a disadvantage that can be overcome.