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Blue Pill ExampleNever Get Involved With A Girl Your Buddy Has Fucked. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1TrenGod37

Although for most of you this is an unwritten rule. But for Some, you still do it, or question if you should. I'll share an experience that I feel is worth mentioning, that happened with me recently that can maybe give you some incite on why it's never a good idea.

So I had this hot girl who I plated for a couple months. She was drama free (for me). Knew I was sleeping with other people. Never asked about them or gave me any issues what so ever. We would hangout once a week usually. Watch some tv, Fuck and then she would leave.

Things we're great but she eventually dropped because at the time I relapsed back into drugs and she wanted no part of it. Which I understood and we both agreed the best was to part ways, mostly by her choice but I wasn't begging for her to stay. So I said I understand.

So things leave off as good as they could. Now I have this good buddy who we will call Z. Now I introduced Z to TRP and he loved it. He was new and still learning but it was doing him good. But by no means was he alpha enough or digested the pill enough to handle what was about To happen to him.

Now over bro tales and RP stories in the gym, we were discussing the theory of plates. After some talk of them. I told him about her and How she was drama free for me and one of the best plates I ever had. etc.

Well wouldn't you know it, a week or so Later she is liking his pictures and she hits him up on IG. Asking to hangout Or whatever. Z confronts me about it. Asks about her. If she's a whore and if I would be upset if they hung out. I had zero issue with it being she was just a plate. I had no emotional feelings towards her (I had more plates in line) and she was ultimately a cool chick to me. So I told him I don't care to go for it if that is what he wants. But to beware because I'm not sure what her intentions are, or if she's just trying to piss me off. Or what, to just be careful. (Just found the whole thing weird. She came out of no where and hit him up. And me and him were in pictures together on his IG.)

Anyway. So he hangs out with her and time goes on. He is asking me advice if he should date her that he's starting to really like her. And asked, would I be mad. I tell him that's up to him and I honestly couldn't care less to do whatever makes him happy. That I have totally moved on from that. They start to date and a couple weeks go by, Z hits me up. Saying she wants him to stop hanging out with his one friend and this and that. That she feels he's bad news for him. I tell him beware of that type of shit but ultimately it's up to him to create boundaries and it's his responsibility to put his foot down when necessary. Or leave.

I then get a text a week after that asking if me and her still had a thing for each other. Mind you I haven't spoke, saw, said one word to her since we parted ways. I didn't know what type of shit she was feeding him but it didn't sound good.

Weeks go by and Z stops responding to me and all our close friends calls/texts. It's been a month now and no one has heard from Z. I had something of his I needed to return. Since I didn't hear from him for so long. I hit her up asking if he was okay that I couldn't get ahold of him and I had something I needed to get to him. She replied, "If he wanted to talk to you I'm sure he would get ahold of you." Well okay then bitch.

I shrug it off. I call it what it is. Because I could see what was happening. And go about my business.

Some time goes by and Z reaches back out, says he needs to talk to me. Tells me they broke up. That he's so sorry for being a shitty friend. that she was crazy and tried to get him to stop hanging out with all his friends. And Would manipulate the fuck out of him. Yadda yadda.

He said she told him that he had to stop talking to me, because I was bad news for him. (I guess telling him, she was drama free and to go for it was bad news for him. Hmm irony) Along with all his other friends. That if he would say he's going to hangout with us she would say she's going to the bar with her "guy friends" or go out and not respond to him all night, Etc. shit that fucked with his head.

After the break up, She tried to then reach out to me asking if "what I said was true" this smelt like bait so I just sent a question mark. She said that he told her I said she was some huge slut and this and that. I felt like she was just trying to get me and him arguing so I ignored it.

Some would say he wasn't a good friend that I should cut him. But I forgave Z because I knew this was a learning experience for him and a lesson that most of us guys go through at some point. He even admitted he needed to go through that, that it taught him a lot about himself.

Moral of the story: Don't date or get involved with woman your friends have got involved with. Some of these women love the drama and will take the weak minded men who you think are your close friends, and try to turn them against you. Cause all sorts of drama between the brotherhood and it's not worth it. Find yourself another girl who doesn't have ties within your circle. pussy is never worth the loss of a good brotherhood.

It's also funny to note how a woman can be a drama free plate for an alpha male. And a huge pain in the ass, control freak for the beta.

Edit: there is a happy ending to the story. Z is back to his normal self, we're still close friends and he's spinning multiple plates, banging women left and right, and really has made some huge progress since this incident.


[–]PreOrgasmGroanLness 336 points337 points  (16 children)

Some would say he wasn't a good friend that I should cut him.

Wow, never. He came back and admit his mistake. Unless some people have idealized version of friendship in their minds (which makes them probably a very bad friend)

[–]1TrenGod37[S] 100 points101 points  (4 children)

Yea I agree. There was some things he did along the way that were questionable but like you said he came back and admitted his mistakes. I've been there and I also have seen it happen a bunch of times. Also with TRP I knew what he was going through so I didn't take much offense to it

[–]xtralargerooster 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I got dragged into a similar situation that was sort of inverted... chick was spinning betas, accidentally stumbled onto me because several of her "plates" were in my social circle. She did not expect me to spin her, got upset and tried to manipulate my friends to get to me. She quickly came to realize that I hadn't flinched and she decided to go nuclear. Three months afterwards I had forgave a friend, made a friend, lost a friend, and realized I could trust my best friend a hell of a lot more than I previously thought. Every one is susceptible to have a beta moment, no matter where you fall on the scale. It's really not hard to give forgiveness when you hold people at the correct distance. The friend I lost betrayed me and ran away... never asked for forgiveness. The only credit I give him is that he had honored our unspoken agreement to be apathetic to each other after his shadowy plot against me blew up in his face. If I were to forgive someone like you had forgiven Z, the son of a bitch better realize he is only going to get one free pass doing stupid shit that he claims to understand afterwards. Sounds like you came out pretty clean on this one though so good work.

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    [–]1TrenGod37[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    You sure you're on the right post?

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 43 points44 points  (9 children)

    Super rare, top tier male shit right here. Had to cut a friend of like 20+ years a while back because he just could not admit he was wrong or have a man to man.

    Absolutely tragic. Gave the guy so many chances, just waiting for his divorce to have a beer with him.

    Plus side is once you swallow you just let it go. You understand "it's just your turn" is everything.

    It's all about having an internal locus of control.

    [–]PinkySlayer 32 points33 points  (6 children)

    "it's just your turn" is probably the absolute hardest part of the pill to swallow, but ironically is the most critical to achieving outcome independence. If you are relying on ANY woman to complete your life you have FUCKING FAILED to swallow the pill. Every guy thinks "oh that doesn't apply to me, that doesn't apply to her". Well, your option are either accept it or be crushed underneath a load of questioning, self loathing and self doubt, and I don't have time for that shit.

    All women are like this, and you have to accept that or accept that you will be an emotionally crippled weakling who lives at the mercy of women forever.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 28 points29 points  (3 children)

    That's because men are the true romantics. Romance is literally the antithesis of pragmatism.

    So to see women not as they are, but in an ideal light, is to be a romantic.

    We like trashing blue pillers here, but they are romantics, we can give them that.

    And I think we all feel the same (except the true blowhards) that we (men) all wish it were different, or else there wouldn't be an "anger phase."

    [–]PinkySlayer 12 points13 points  (1 child)

    Yes, you're absolutely right. But our options are either to accept reality or get destroyed by it. The same as every aspect of life. Women are no different, we just are taught to believe they are some special case when in reality they are human beings acting solely on their base self interest while being subsidized by society. But we are in agreement.

    [–]Bing400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What if we changed things with technology? What if we literally evolved. From biology to technology.

    [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This should be the top comment, really. It doesn't have the "feel good" part about taking back a buddy who admits his mistake - plus it's a reply - but what it does have is TRUTH.

    [–]Bing400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I believe that if your turn isn't for the duration of her usefulness (beauty and prime) you've failed. Therefore you should try to not fail and maintain her adoration for you until you drop her.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Man I just cut one of my best friends of 20+ years because he's such a lying, delusional mess. Breaking point was him not showing up to be in my wedding. Tragic is indeed the word. It's mind-blowing to me that someone can throw away decades of incredible times because they won't fix their self-esteem/ego issues.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That went way beyond my issues. My guy had a BP hissy fit.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 71 points72 points  (13 children)

    (Just found the whole thing weird. She came out of no where and hit him up. And me and him were in pictures together on his IG.)

    Ding ding ding, this is your gut telling you a woman is up to no good. Literally every time I went "huh what" in my life with a woman, it turned out to be correct.

    The funny thing is that we rationalize it away. I would have girls clearly show me they lost interest for some way. And I'd hamster it away saying "perhaps it's something I said", "maybe she just had a bad day", "perhaps she's feeling insecure and thinks I don't love her".

    I forgot the most important part. Which is that if a girl likes you, she will move heaven and earth to be with you, talk to you, show you. There will be no weird moments. If she's feeling angry or insecure she will pout. If something happened in her life you will be the first to hear about it. More importantly even when something off happens like she goes radio silent for two hours. She will return just the same telling you why she went away.

    Girls only act weird, shady, scheming and uninterested when they are doing exactly that. We rationalize it away because we're afraid to make the wrong call. Your gut never makes the wrong call.

    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Literally every time I went "huh what" in my life with a woman, it turned out to be correct.

    The funny thing is that we rationalize it away. I would have girls clearly show me they lost interest for some way. And I'd hamster it away saying "perhaps it's something I said", "maybe she just had a bad day", "perhaps she's feeling insecure and thinks I don't love her".

    I forgot the most important part. Which is that if a girl likes you, she will move heaven and earth to be with you, talk to you, show you. There will be no weird moments. If she's feeling angry or insecure she will pout. If something happened in her life you will be the first to hear about it. More importantly even when something off happens like she goes radio silent for two hours. She will return just the same telling you why she went away.

    [Conclusion]: Girls only act weird, shady, scheming and uninterested when they are doing exactly that. We rationalize it away because we're afraid to make the wrong call [and oneitis]. Your gut never makes the wrong call.

    Make a post verbatim. Short and sweet.

    [–]uebermacht 0 points1 point  (10 children)

    THIS!!
    Would spare me so much trouble and frustration when I knew this years before.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 8 points9 points  (8 children)

    Don't blame yourself, it's not something men needed to be apt at before. Now in the age of Tinder and dozens of WhatsApp orbiters things can go south for you just because the sun wasn't shining for a day or her time of the month coincided with a speeding ticket. I'm exaggerating ofcourse but you get the point.

    You will experience the light switch effect with hundreds of girls in this time. Given that she will meet new guys daily at a ludicrous rate. Given that you are either beta and she gets bored or alpha and she gives up/gets angry. She will always consider if she can do better until she hits the wall and reality hits her in the face. The more disordered her personality the worse this gets. And most women have disorders now so go figure.

    Being aware of this already sets you apart from the pack. Literally even Chad had trouble listening to his gut. The moment he actually likes a girl.

    [–]uebermacht 0 points1 point  (7 children)

    Western women, we know man.. ;/

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (6 children)

    Anywhere a woman can acquire a phone, internet, birth control and leftist propaga- errr I mean an education. Doesn't take a scientist to figure out why the combination of these factors produce insufferable thots.

    [–]uebermacht -1 points0 points  (5 children)

    Can't be doubt.
    Water and shape it fills.
    However, Eastern European women are an upgrade of quality in case of assets. Traditional. It's in the roots of Eastern European society. Of course not all by all means. But most cases.
    I think this is the first point to stick to.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Society and culture does indeed form men and women. I'd say America is the worst, paired with West Europe as a close second. South East Asia/South America can be a beautiful oasis but the women there are also changing.

    Eventually the only place you'd find a untainted woman is in North Korea lol. That's if you're into Asian chicks at all and hopefully they aren't all ugly regardless.

    [–]uebermacht 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    True that.
    I am often in Russia to visit family and majority of women in Moscow and richer cities get westernized slowly.
    Horrible.
    I am also often in smaller cities and villages. Girls there are incredible beautiful, natural und traditional.
    They don't even have a smartphone cuz can't afford it and no internet in general in these areas lol.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    Exactly, it's the cities. Actually it's also the cities in the west. Compared to girls in the country side city girls are vapid. That's another thing, cities = tons and tons of men. And also anonymity. This triggers the hypergamy of a woman and allows her to constantly look for greener grass while no one notices.

    The thing is though that generally most women should know their highest attainable man at the age of 21. That's factoring 16 + 2 relationships of a total of 5 years total. Allowing her to grow in LTR confidence, learning how much dread she can handle from a guy. With the third boyfriend she should have figured out that things won't get any better at the age of 25+. Yet women always try once more, this fails and fails until they end up with a worse partner they ever had, crushed by the wall.

    I suspect that this is partially our culture not being honest to women about their looks. That and our culture encourages entitlement with everyone. Knowing you will probably live for up to a century safe for a terrorist attack or cancer tends to make people want to 'get the most' out of life. There are other factors ofcourse.

    The funny thing is that women used to be paired with men by the fathers. I'm not saying it's an amazing system but men were able to make rational decisions to decide which man benefited his daughter and family the most. Dating actually started like that, giving women the whole build up romance thing instead of forcing it on them. Now we have Tinder and the whole idea is corrupted.

    What a time to be alive.

    [–]youngzari 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    This may seem like a stupid question, but fam, I've saved your replies because truthfully, they're gold. My question is - once saved how can I return back to saved replies?

    Somethings you just to re-read & internalize. Let me know!

    [–]youngzari 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I just said to myself what you just typed before looking at what you just typed. I know, man. I know.

    [–]tallwheel 51 points52 points  (1 child)

    There is an important additional lesson for the newer guys here.

    She was "drama free" when you plated her and set clear boundaries.

    Beta guy tries to play Captain Save-a-Ho and LTR her and suddenly she is drama queen of the year.

    Women are only as bitchy and controlling as you allow them to be. If you are fucking a woman like this, you need to abandon ship and never make the same mistakes with the next woman.

    [–]drty_pr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    One of my favorite sayings, "she can only treat you like shit of you let her".

    [–]thebadmanpuntdbaxter 48 points49 points  (10 children)

    I made this mistake when I was younger. It started out as a hot chick my frat bro dated that seemed super into me. Then she made herself more and more convenient for me to fuck even when he was living a room across from me. Eventually it was just more convenient to fuck only her than other chicks. Then I got complacent and comfortable, not pursuing other chicks at all. I could not have imagined the emotional battery. Innocent meetups with exes. Gaslighting my brothers and I when we were fucked up at 3am. Goong to a military ball with a friend. I wasnt wise enough to end it because I still was wrapped up in her fairytale.

    Looking back I'm glad I went through that gauntlet because it let me reflect on every mistake I made from seeing her in the first place to failing boundries. It's good that Z can look back at the situation with clarity. We all fuck up sometimes. Help him learn from it.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 32 points33 points  (9 children)

    A massive percentage of women nowadays deals with cluster B personality disorders triggered by childhood trauma (divorces, dysfunctional parental relationships, unrealistic expectations in high school, crushes on unattainable cruel chads etc).

    Because women now have control over their agency in life they are able to make stupid choices that end up in chaos. This chaos causes emotional scarring on the woman herself or women around her. The same holds true for men but men are less likely to express this trauma in emotional ways.

    Also men aren't as enabled as women, don't lose value through promiscuity etc. The worst a personality disordered guy can become is an extreme supplication beta or wishy washy narcissist beta. All be it also damaging in the worst cases.

    Every batshit story you read on TRP like this one, OP's tale and many more is the outcome of disturbed women who can't make sense of the world because they are in constant flux.

    [–]CQC3 21 points22 points  (6 children)

    unattainable cruel chads

    I think you just accidentally discovered one of the best indie band names ever.

    [–]1PantsonFire1234 17 points18 points  (3 children)

    Who says it was accidental

    [–]CQC3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I did bitch, fight me for royalties.

    [–]SovereignSoul76 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I hear it in sort of a poetry slam context...

    The un....attainable....cru-el.....chads... snap snap snap snap

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      [–]1PantsonFire1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Not specifically, but googling the word alone will get you lots off hits. Searching through TRP, The Rational Male, and Rolo's blog will get you all the info you need.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 73 points74 points  (13 children)

      Not exactly what I expected after reading the title... So I'll put in my FR here..

      Not proud of this, but I plated a buddy of mine's ex and it completely blew up the social circle. He had mentioned how 6 different girls were already hitting him up and it was he that broke up with her because she's too insecure and clingy. So I put 2 and 2 together and assume this guy understands his value and wouldn't be upset. Even got confirmation from his best friend that he wouldn't be upset. We'll we we're both wrong. Time goes by and she starts to pull him back into her web. When he tells me he's started to hang with her again, I immediately come clean about fucking her and how I'll drop her completely to let him do his thing. Now he respected me for this as a man and forgave me for fucking his ex, but that wasn't the end of it.. This girl lied about me after I came clean saying that I threatened her with telling him if I was angry with her (completely untrue, we had nothing but good times and no drama). And asked for me to send him the text convo's I had with her. At first I was hesitant, especially since all of our texts we're sexual, but I really had nothing to hide. So I warned of the sexual banter and sent him all of our correspondence.

      The dude went radio silent. Haven't heard from him, nor seen him at the gym and I found that he wants to fight his best friend for knowing and not telling him. It's a fucking nightmare and I'll never even think of sleeping with a friend's ex again. Just a fair warning to those out there that think it may be harmless like I did. It won't. She will use the situation to manipulate and fuck up EVERYTHING. Lesson learned, hope someone can learn from my mistake.

      EDIT: Finally saw the dude at the gym. He actually tried to invite me out to party with him later that night after I sent the texts but the text didn't send (saw and confirmed this on his phone). He fucked his ex's best friend then fucked his ex the day after. Now he cut all contact with his ex. The ex got hella jealous and called the cops on him for coke/weed, they showed up at his door at 2am. He didn't get busted with anything. Not exactly what I expected. After this now he's going to plate his ex's best friend. Savage AF. Turned out way better than expected. Going out with him tonight to game and pickup.

      [–]robosnoop 30 points31 points  (11 children)

      Well what the fuck do you expect? Why on earth would you plate a friends ex? That's disrespectful unless you've gotten a clear go from your friend, even then it's questionable. Instead you pulled a bitch move and hamstered he'd be ok with it to get some short term pussy.

      Worst part is you let the hoe in question win, probably feeling great knowing her ex is crushed.

      Bros before hoes. Come on man.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 4 points5 points  (10 children)

      Like I said I'm not proud of it and lesson learned. Nah she'll probably get back together with him.

      [–]robosnoop 2 points3 points  (9 children)

      Why do you sound suprised that your friend cut contact with you then? I'd have done the same if a "friend" went behind my back.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 7 points8 points  (8 children)

      When a man says he's forgiven you, most of the time it's not bull shit. Everything was fine until she lied about me threatening her.

      [–]robosnoop -1 points0 points  (7 children)

      Nothing was fine at all. Your "friend" might've forgiven you but obviously still had a few up on you. Stop hamstering / blaming it on the girl. It was all Your fault for going behind your friends back for some pussy.

      I bet the only reason you even admited you fucked her is that you caught feelz for her and didn't want them back together.

      Your behaviour overall is similar to how bitches behave; hamstering and blaming other people for your own actions. Even in the first post you made; "the whole social circle blew up" etc; being sorry for the reaction instead of your own actions. Just like a woman.

      Get your shit together and don't ever stab your friends in the back again boy.

      [–]Catcac 5 points6 points  (5 children)

      Jesus. Did one of your friends fuck your ex? Don't take things so personally. He already said he fucked up and learned from it.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I think you're getting too morally concerned my post was so that others can learn from my mistake. That's the epitome of taking responsibility for actions.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I plated a buddy of mine's ex and it completely blew up the social circle.

      If there's anything worse than picking through your own trash, it's picking through a buddy's trash.

      I immediately come clean about fucking her and how I'll drop her completely to let him do his thing. Now he respected me for this as a man and forgave me for fucking his ex, but that wasn't the end of it.

      You'd have been better off doing this part before actually. Of course, better not to plate a buddy's ex anyway....

      I found that he wants to fight his best friend for knowing and not telling him. It's a fucking nightmare

      Well. You're buddy isn't very red pill at all....

      [–]WISE_TURD 33 points34 points  (6 children)

      Best case scenario: You and your friend(s) pass the chick around your friend circle, and start seeing her as a complete joke. She might even try being "one of the boys", but her used up pussy is all she's bringing to the table. Ties will be cut with her naturally when no one can look at her without cracking up with laughter.

      Worst case scenario: Your circle of friends is changed forever, even though the girl will eventually find another friend group to wreck.

      Ultimately hooking up with a girl your friend fucked is an indication of a scarcity mentality

      The only way that it's not is if she finds you when you're very drunk and basically rapes you. Even then, try to leave before sun up and act like it was a bad dream

      Moral of the story: the reward doesn't justify the risk. There are so many women out there that your buddies haven't fucked (and usually the chick in question has some fucked up motives and intended outcomes that stem from self-esteem issues). Don't temporarily fulfill her self-esteem through your sacrifice.

      [–]omarieleo 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      I like this..its true the best move would have been to pass her around (I have done this) she will lie to you both but you will know the truth and just keep fucking till her time expires and the brotherhood continues.

      Not applicable to girls anyone had made their gf btw.

      [–]WISE_TURD 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Yea, by all means pass her around. Decent chance one of your shithead friends privatizes the public pussy and fucks up the whole thing.

      Anecdotal evidence: I know a dude (lifts a lot, good job, but not attractive otherwise, definitely lacks game) who is ltr'ing an absolute hoe (albeit an attractive one).

      She was not only passed around, but spit roasted by some of his close acquaintances. Furthermore, he personally snap chatted her naked while at a party, and definitely acknowledged her hoe-ness upon first bang, making a joke of it.

      1 bang turns into 10, and everyone's thinking, "soooo, is she a joke, or are you datin this bitch?" No one said a word, and i'm guessing it's very sore subject to bring up (i'm not great friends with the guy, probably see him every 3 months or so).

      The guy didn't get laid very often (therefore taking this extreme action of a scarcity mindset), so this chick was "special". I'm sure she was the hottest girl he's banged. I've seen her eye fucking me in my periphery when he was right next to her. Now that's what i call ltr material (sarcasm).

      If this happens to you or someone you know, it'll be alright long term as long as marriage and pregnancy are avoided.

      • the likelihood of this happening to you is almost zero if you've got some plates. However, so many of my dumbass friends don't have plates and would fuck that up.

      • I'm good friends with one of his close friends, which is why i know this information.

      EDIT: just because it' wont be totally fucked long term doesn't necessarily mean the dude who spit roasted his ex will be hearing from him.

      [–]omarieleo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Hahaha @ "privatizes the pussy" that's exactly what happened, my friend's older brother made her his gf. Hahaha

      [–]mygfhatedmyfb 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      This shit just hit me like a ton of bricks bro holy fuck.

      [–]Coptek91 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      The Red Pill is the best fucking thing that ever could have happened for young men in these times

      [–]LOST_TALE 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      LOL wasn't enough to describe the peak of my reaction.

      Guy meets girl

      Guy cuts everyone out

      how the fuck does this happen.

      It's not like she's the paragon of virtue, integrity, honesty, self-knowledge and purpose; thus finally releasing him from those bad substitute crumbs he's been eating out of hunger for something basic. This also assumes he's like that too. Yeah no, better take the lottery.

      [–]marian5567 13 points14 points  (3 children)

      Although is not The same, my last GF for two years found a friend of mine on OkCupid and tried to meet him and probably fuck him. She works about ten blocks from my friend's house and they found each other in the dating app. My friend smoothy ghosted her and told me the incident right away. Women have no moral values. Dating apps and feminism is showing us what they can do and is not good things. Remember guys: AWALT.

      [–]LordThunderbolt 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      You got a real nigga in your camp

      [–]marian5567 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      My friend's mame is not Tyrone

      [–]RPBulletDodger 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      Desperation is a cheap perfume and Homie Hoppers are complete trash.

      [–]MethaCat 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      Good advice, I usually put my friend's name +ed as an indicator of where she has been. If it was Mark, she is already Marked, if it was John then she is already Johned and so. Works for me to not fall into this, some girls like to "collect" all dudes on a circle of friends, sorry hon, not me.

      [–]newName543456 35 points36 points  (2 children)

      When I read the title, I expected some sloppy seconds + STDs story.

      Still a valid point though.

      [–]Boeijen666 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      Same. I was rolling my eyes at the start but going along OP did the righty, stayed out of the bullshit. You did good OP.

      [–]HappySmaug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Sloppy seconds is an instant cold hard next!

      [–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Another important point is that you thought this girl was drama free OP, because she was on her best behavior for you. She probably tried sneakily to see if you could be manipulated or she was to scared to. Your friend sounds like a push over who got feelings way to quickly. At this point her true manipulative crazy self was revealed.

      This is an excellent example how women show you two sides of the coin. If a girl thinks she can get away with shitty behavior she will go all out on you. She will try to test if she can but if you hold frame the good nice bitch will remain in tact. You can't guarantee anyone this girl is drama free. Only by observing every other red flag could make that judgement call.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 24 points25 points  (13 children)

      That he's so sorry for being a shitty friend. that she was crazy and tried to get him to stop hanging out with all his friends. And Would manipulate the fuck out of him. Yadda yadda.

      And he says this only after it ended.

      He isn't a shitty friend, he isn't any kind of friend at all.

      It's easy to blame a woman after it ends. Thing is... women test and try it on. They try to manipulate. It's our job not to change.

      It's also funny to note how a woman can be a drama free plate for an alpha male. And a huge pain in the ass, control freak for the beta.

      Water takes the shape of the glass it's in. Also, if there's any holes, it gets everywhere.

      [–]1TrenGod37[S] 19 points20 points  (5 children)

      You may be right, but I think we have all had a beta time period where we let our feelings for a woman completely take over cloud any kind of logical judgement of what was actually going on. and our friends and family have suffered in the process. As long as you learn from it and Admit the mistake I think it's okay to forgive them

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 15 points16 points  (4 children)

      Yes, we've all gone nuts over a girl and been all beta.

      I've definitely got too wrapped up in one girl before.

      But never had one separate me from my friends. Seen it so often though, it's a recurring theme. It seems instinctive with women.

      [–]CQC3 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      It might actually be one of the most transparent RP examples of female behavior that is covered in mainstream entertainment.

      It's practically an episode that writes itself for most sitcoms, the only difference is they try to do it both ways depending on the show. Either a male interest turning out to be a scumbag, or a female interest turning out to be a manipulative sloot.

      As for the OP, I'd also forgive him the first time, but I'd be lying if I was saying I didn't remember it or I wasn't regarding him out of the side of my eye after that. I'd be looking out for mistake number two I guess is what I'm saying.

      [–]FortyShorty26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      If youre going to carry that hatchet around you are bound to use it. Best bury it and move on if you honestly forgive someone, if not youre just spinning your wheels and wasting everyones time.

      [–]LibertyIsNotFree 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Any person who tries to cut out your friends from your life for your relationship. That's a doomed relationship.

      [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children)

      what is crazy is she used her pussy to fuck a dude to get back to the first dude.

      pussy is literally worthless. I find myself thinking this more and more with time.

      [–]1PantsonFire1234 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      The problem is that the moment you get the hang of things, summoning it on demand. The magic is lost, the reality sets in, the person behind the pussy appears cheap because it often times is. Women spend no time on their personality and all their time on their looks. Even even then it's the low effort looks, find me a woman who can consistently work out in the gym.

      [–]1PantsonFire1234 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      I'd have to side with OP on this. If this is the only stunt this guy ever pulled he was probably stuck in the fog of fear, obligation and guilt. Whilst having severe oneitis for a whore who was actively torturing him with it. That's emotional abuse.

      Don't be so hard on him. If a guy fucks up in other areas and is generally selfish. Cockblocks you when going out, plays weird games like a girl and generally doesn't respect your friendship. Then by all minds nuke the weakling. But this sounds like a guy who finally thought he found his shot at happyness and had a bitch served cold.

      Not everyone is experienced, stoic or a downright sociopath like some of us. Some guys are stupid or hopeful and put their heart out there in the wrong way. Healthy guys attract healthy women and none of this happens, but they still lay themselves bare. This guy sounds damaged but willing to do right. Codependent even.

      It's easy to just swing with the demotion hammer on every guy or bitch that doesn't behave like the red pill demands. But if you don't stop and try to put yourself in their shoes and wonder if they truly did a bad thing, then you're gonna fuck up allot of friendships. A true alpha tries to understand his people before he judges their shortcomings.

      [–]juliusstreicher 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Yes to this. Friend is not a good friend, he is a hang around kind of acquaintance. Don't let yourself get too dependent on this guy, and don't tell him anything in confidence. Women control his life.

      [–]brewstyle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Now you and Z are peter-in-laws.

      [–]ManowaR1488 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      This is much more difficult in smaller towns

      [–]imn0tg00d 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      This had nothing to do with you though. She was controlling him and he let her. Any girl could have done this to him.

      [–]Jews_love_cocaine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      This story resonates with my deeply, because I was that shitty friend. Although my friend had oneitis for her and lost frame, so her massive amounts of red flags took control of my über hamster at the time. It was also about the time I discovered TRP, but not before I was already balls deep in that mess. I will never do something like that again, and will forever appreciate my best friend for affording me forgiveness at the time.

      Look guys, heed OP's advice. Bros before hoes. Don't fuck with the shitstorm that the manipulative cunt can drag you into. Thots are spiteful crabs in a bucket. Do not mix them with your family or your wolf pack.

      [–]uebermacht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      These Schlampen doesn't worth.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children)

      And here I have(had) a good bro tier friend who kept attacking the girl he knew I liked (I did make a move on her, unsuccessfully and rather pathetically) , even tho he is in relationship with a girl he wants to marry and has unprotected sex with.

      Your friend is miles ahead what pathetic excuse I had for a friend.

      [–]wheresMYsteakAt 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      Your friend sounds like the man. If the girl rejected you who gives a fuck if he's in a relationship or has, lol unprotected sex with his girl. He should have unprotected sex with your oneitis. In front of you.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      He should fuck your mother brother and sister while he's at it. Maybe even you I think ud like it.

      Your mother's moans would get you hard I bet.

      Good night kid. Lurk more.

      [–]wheresMYsteakAt -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      The beta rage is real around here lately. Stop being a whiney bitch. If I wanted him to fuck me I'd still be out of luck , your oneitis has his bare cock occupied. Probably learned to time it correctly so you know he's choke fucking and nutting in her. I'd bet the bed looks like a chalk board.

      Now since you mentioned gay shit and are acting like a bitch I'm wondering if you are more mad at your friend... Or the girl who stole the alpha cock you were hunting.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I wish with all my heart and soul and body, that you are here with me now. I would love to bounce your skull of this old dusty floor. I would absolutely adore it. Laughing, smiling, just genuinely enjoying because it pleases me. Just imagining it gets me hard. Maybe Id fuck your mauled head. Who knows... Life is mysterious like that.

      It pains me to think you will continue to exist thinking you had a chance.

      [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      isn't this common knowledge? i'm not going in second after my homie unless its a gangbang. i don't get the leftovers, i create them.

      [–]ronnymcfelch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I did this before, it was without a doubt the worst mistake I have ever made in my entire life. Worst relationship I've had, we absolutely hated each other and I ended up losing a friend over it. 0/10, don't do it to yourselves.

      [–]ar4s 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Level headed and insightful, cheers for the post, it wasn't dogmatic in the least

      [–]SageStarSeed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      If he did have feels for her, and if he was insecure enough...then it is definitely possible that he called her a slut and used your intimacy with her in a spiteful manner.

      I doubt, very much, that she was just trying to get you two to fight.

      [–]dumnem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Good on you for keeping your friend. I'd probably have warned him against getting involved with her, as both you and I and basically everyone here knows you don't fuck with chicks that was with your buddies because she will use it as an excuse to mindgame and stir shit. Super annoying. But at least he was man enough to admit his mistake and learn from it, everyone fucks up occasionally, we're only human. But good on him.

      [–]eslong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Ive never understood people that go for their friends scraps. Even if it is just sex, id never activly pursue a friends previous bang. I can do better than that and there are plenty of girls to go around.

      Now if a friends ex bang came on to me in a bar then maybe id go along with it. But with a previous ex ltr i wouldnt even consider it.

      [–]2435734098 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That was funny, and a great story. She seemed drama-free for you because you ignored her manipulation attempts and maybe didn't even notice them. Didn't affect you. Your friend, on the other hand, let her into his mind. She was able to do whatever she wanted inside his head, and thus, drama happens.

      [–]Revorob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yup - women are never happy unless they are causing drama for others (usually men). Learn to recognise this early in the game and you'll be all the better for it.

      [–]OnlineSeduction 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I would say bang ;) bros before hoes but it's the same effect if you both bang her without any attachment.

      [–]yomo86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Very nice post. Women are very apt at manipulating others - but this also extends to non-romantic relationships. My landlady ignored my request for a plumbing repair as it is the MO for women regarding men who are a nuisance.

      Since law school, I keep everything, literally everything in writing - or at least electronically. After shit hit the fan and a pipe burst later, she was screaming that I was not adamant enough about it. Turns out my HO/renters insurance is going to sue her based on my documentation.

      Bottom line: expect this behavior in every female; sex is only one of a woman's objective. When a man is playing you either you will not even get a hunch or it is obvious.

      [–]you3337 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You sound look a good friend

      [–]5t3fan0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      awww i love a story with a happy handing!

      also you mispelled here

      Some of these ALL women love the drama

      [–]stephcurrythrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Even blue pill men know that shit is wrong.

      But this really shows female nature. Alpha fucks beta bucks. Dude beta'd his way to a girl that was alpha with you.

      Women just respond to how you act

      [–]Bing400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Is there a way to get a more profound friendship with a friend? It seems like friendships are brittle.

      [–]LordThunderbolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I could tell he was weak the minute you said he wanted to LTR a girl you plated before. If that's not leftovers I don't know what is

      [–]McBlech 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Maybe I'm just getting old, but this sub is really sounding like a bunch of whiny immature assholes gossipping about "what he did omg can you even believe it?", making sure to casually drop that you're "at the gym" while engaged in this man-talk. Quit sucking each others dicks. Peace out.

      [–]victor_knight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This is another reason not to.

      [–]tater08 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      Didn't read - no shit dude

      [–]ElOweTea -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      "Now I introduced Z to TRP and he loved it. He was new and still learning but it was doing him good. But by no means was he alpha enough or digested the pill enough to handle what was about To happen to him." This is where you messed up. But, But, But... Better to have let him find trp himself.

      [–]Lambdal7 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      How is this evidence that you shouldn't get involved with girls that friends have dated before.

      It might happen that this particular situation unfolds as in this post, but no evidence for the post title.

      Like in most theories, confirmation bias.

      [–]1TrenGod37[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Then go do it bro. Report back how that goes for you

      [–]Lambdal7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This was the case with my first girlfriend, where there was absolutely no drama. In high school, it is very often the case that the girl you're dating has dated somone else in class before that you hang out with.

      There are millions o relationship without any drama where the woman has been involved with a friend of the husband as this is a very common phenomenon.

      The reason for drama is fucking stupid women, which account for around 20% of all women. There are also mature women who are able to make decisions like an adult and can handle relationships responsibly.

      [–]SenpaiPete -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      I couldn't read further than incite...

      [–]mowly87 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      I'm wondering what makes you talk about women as if they were throw-away objects. And it's ridiculous that you gotta call yourself an alpha guy and call other guys beta.