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MetaReddit is shutting itself down due to controversial firing (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 2rp_valiant

TL;DR

Ellen Pao continues to alienate the Reddit community by firing a prominent and well-loved administrator.

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As we all know, Pao has been making great strides to alienate Reddit users through her aggressive implementation of groupthink policies thinly disguised as "anti-harassment" rules. Less than a month ago, fatpeoplehate and other smaller offending subreddits were deleted for being misaligned with Reddit's new "inclusion" policy, and while the actions perpetrated by Pao against the community have so far only been against controversial subreddits, she has now successfully pissed off a large percentage of the default subs by firing a popular administrator.

Victoria Taylor was a officially "Director of CommunicationsTalent" but her day-to-day job largely involved organising the large number of celebrity and public-figure AMAs that reddit hosts. Other admins and mods have been quoted in the mainstream press as saying that her role in organising these efforts were invaluable; in other words, she was a key supporter of quite a few subreddits' administration efforts. Yesterday she was fired for unknown reasons, although it is suspected that it was in relation to Pao's new policy of relocating reddit employees to the California office; Taylor worked from New York. This move has been attempted previously with Marissa Mayer (yahoo CEO) attempting to force work-from-home employees to congregate and ended in disaster. Another theory is that it is related to the disastrous Rev. Jesse Jackson AMA - see https://archive.is/oCji7 for evidence.

In response to the loss of Taylor's support (and a general belief that the admins of reddit are ignoring and otherwise disrespecting many subreddit moderators), a swathe of default and popular subreddits have shut themselves down in protest, causing a likely massive loss to Reddit's bottom line. Events and facts will likely fall into place over the next few days, but as it currently stands some of the biggest subreddits including iAMA, funny (the most popular subreddit), pcmasterrace and many others have made themselves private and even more are currently debating whether to join in. Way to go on understanding the company you run, Pao. Heck, even our good friends over at TheBluePill have closed their doors.

All this goes to show that Pao's attempts to force change upon Reddit without first understanding its nature are going to cause serious repercussions in the long run. Radical feminists know no bounds in their solipsism and belief that they know the right thing to do in all circumstances and this is just the latest example that will likely lead to one of three things: the complete revamp of Reddit as a community platform to match Pao's exclusive far-left vision, the destruction of Reddit as a company, or Pao's ousting. I know which I'm rooting for.

Further reading:

https://archive.is/pYotS

https://archive.is/ZCx3q

Final Thoughts

I don't know if this will be the final straw that breaks reddit, but if it is I hope you've all signed up for the TRP backup at Puerarchy.com: reserve your username and join the mailing list from the links in the sidebar to make sure that if there are any issues that break TRP, you have access to its new home.

Edit: Further reading from comments


[–]Modredpillschool[M] 396 points397 points  (77 children)

Since people have been pestering me for the official mod stance on this, here it is.

First of all, no we're not going dark. It's reddit politics/drama, and I don't really care to join them in the drama.

Secondly, if anybody on reddit cared about my gripes with the admin, I'll post them publicly so if somebody really wanted to fix what's wrong with reddit, they'd move away from the pretend issue that's happening, and push the admin on the real issue: censorship and mystery. Of course, their position on this is unlikely an accident, and I believe the grey area in which we operate is entirely on purpose to make it easy to dispose of communities they don't like if need be. (But yeah, if you wanted to solve the biggest threat to reddit, it's this)

It's well understood by our moderation team that we exist purely at the whim and mercy of the admin and that we must mind-read to understand what guidelines must be followed. There is no comprehensive rule book for mods- and more importantly, there's no set of rules to let us know how or what to follow to avoid being shut down like other subs.

The admin have had very little actual contact with us, beyond the random subreddit shut downs and dramas that take place here and there where we, as mods, have to decide what details to take from these events to apply to our own policy, lest we suffer the same consequences.

I have reached out more than once to the admin asking them about their opinion on certain policies or which rules we could follow to keep us in their good graces. I have never once received more than a few-word answer from them, which is usually along the lines of "just follow the reddit rules, it's that easy." Nothing could be more vague.

We're pretty sure there's an anti-brigading rule on reddit, but we've got no clue what it means, how it's applied, how we could possibly prevent it with our tools (we have little in the way of mod tools), and whether or not a user who happens to be a regular subscriber is considered "brigading" if they follow a link to get there.

If this reminded you of anything, like, say, how our ancestors used to try to read astronomical events and natural disasters to determine whether the gods above were angry with them... well, you'd be spot on. Because at the end of the day, no matter how careful we try to be, there isn't really a good rule set to know if we are even following the rules, let alone whether we're enforcing the right ones.

We take a conservative approach to modding, trying to mostly keep to ourselves and not stir the pot, and that seems to be doing the trick for now.

But if the rest of reddit really wanted to make a difference that would actually protect their interests, they would concentrate not on something stupid and small like IAMA mods having trouble doing their jobs, but instead something that threatens every single sub on the site: the creeping censorship that looms in the background, and the nebulous rule of Ellen Pao that threatens the very userbase as it stands today.

Most people don't consider it a problem because most subs are not controversial. We happen to be on the edge of acceptable which puts is in the cross hairs. But if any of these liberal idiots had even an ounce of smarts, they'd realize that when you nuke the fringe, you don't sanitize the site, you just make new fringes. Today we're in the cross-hairs, but it's anybody's guess what future admin find unpalatable when we're not around to draw the fire.

I'm sure Victoria was a nice girl, and this event may very well be the catalyst of change, but the admin will placate the masses soon enough with some small token gesture like re-hiring victoria, or a new mod tool, or a written explanation that doesn't tell much.

And no changes will be made that actually affect the disease that is eating reddit.

Mark my words.

[–]Elodrian 141 points142 points  (29 children)

Read Orwell, or Hitchens, or Hitchens' writings on Orwell discussing the mechanics of totalitarian regimes. One of the general ideas is that the goal is to create laws that are either ambiguous or actually impossible to follow to grant themselves a free hand to smite at whim. Your description of the mod/admin relationship bore some eerie echoes to Hitchens describing Stallinism.

[–]f3yleaf 82 points83 points  (3 children)

Orwell and Hitchens, two of my favorite democratic-socialists of all time. Because they were fucking liberal, democratic, and free speech absolutists, something that is becoming rare on the left these days, especially in the Americentric bubble.

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    [–]Kid_Crimson 43 points44 points  (0 children)

    Reminds me of a book called, Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent.

    "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." ~ Ayn Rand

    [–]WillWorkForLTC 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    I would love it is this sub started using ''The Hitchslap!'' as a standalone term. It basically means you've destroyed your opponent in a debate with pure reason, empirical evidence and common sense. Hitchens was a beast in debates. RIP Hitchens. You were more RP than you ever knew.

    [–]TomSachs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kinds of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of lawbreakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system,..., that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

    [–]anecdotal 16 points17 points  (16 children)

    SJWs/Communists, same thing. Modern feminism is pure conflict theory, and it's no accident.

    [–]SILENTSAM69 3 points4 points  (15 children)

    Not true. There are libertarian SJW's out there as well. Being a SJW knows no political boundary.

    I myself am very left wing, but can not stand the SJW's.

    [–]anecdotal 18 points19 points  (5 children)

    Libertarian SJWs? I would really, really like to see a legit, hand wringing SJW who calls himself a libertarian with a straight face. I need to meet this unicorn.

    [–]SILENTSAM69 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    Look at the leaders of the Canadian Libertarian Party. They are SJW's and just booted a member for being anti-feminism. They did that despite her being their most popular member.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    I'm Canadian too - not familiar with the inner politics of the Canadian Libertarian Party. Are they CIVIL Libertarians? If so, that would 'splain it.

    [–]SILENTSAM69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I didn't know much about them either. Seems they got a new leader lately though, and along with a couple other SJW's at the top they have started making changes.

    [–]BixNood2012 5 points6 points  (2 children)

    libertarian SJW's

    No, not really. Just because they've hijacked the libertarian movement in the post-Ron Paul era and call themselves "libertarians" doesn't mean they are. They are only libertarian in that they believe in the freedom to be as degenerate as they want to be with no consequences whatsoever. They are the type of people who Based God Hoppe would say need to be, uh, physically removed, so to speak.

    [–]king_of_red_alphas 7 points8 points  (3 children)

    Another lefty red piller here. TRP obviously leans VERY libertarian / conservative and tends to interject this political philosophy at every opportunity. Nothing wrong with it, but it can tend to obscure the more useful posts.

    [–]RedPillAnonymous 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    It is absurd how this conservative attitude acts like it goes hand in hand with redpill views. Conservatives are literally the reason we are taught abstinence only in sex ed. However retarded feminism's sexual attitudes are, conservatives are full of their own absolute sexual stupidity. Its conservative christian views that tell us not to have sex until we are married, men included. Conservative christians are the driving force behind their own brand of white knight beta male "girls are innocent chastity fairies and boys need to respect them and not try to have sex until marriage", as well as always wanting to outlaw whatever petty shit they get offended by, e.g. marijuana, gay marriage, burning flags, ect.

    There are no shortages of conservative christian men who are beta as hell as a direct result of conservative christian views and upbringing by a conservative christian two parent household. And there are no shortages of single mother household liberal cads banging the "sweet innocent chastity fairy" that the conservative christian nice guy has oneitis for. Get that message deep into your heads.

    PS. Dark enlightenment is the gayest pile of romophiles I've ever seen. Durr Rome was the greatest of all societies! Ceasar was COOL! We need ALPHA MALE dictatorship because democracy is for faggy girly men! Dar we is enlightened! Give me a uniform to feel special!

    [–]king_of_red_alphas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    You just articulated all of those points in a way I've been trying (and failing) to do very succinctly. Thank you.

    And oddly, I was one of those single mom, liberal guys that ended up being the "bad boy" for a young conservative girl who wanted to walk on the wild side to buck her sexually repressed parents.

    [–]CaptainIncredible 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Ayn Rand frequently wrote about the same concept.

    I find it amusing that the current tax code in the US is nearly 75,000 pages long. If printed, it would stack about 23 feet tall.

    Its unreadable too. Its mostly written in legalese gibberish that is difficult to make sense of.

    [–]Limekill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Its unreadable too. Its mostly written in legalese gibberish that is difficult to make sense of.

    Thanks, thats what we try and go for.

    [–]mryddlin 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    The petition to have her step down has exploded with signatures the last day.

    Voat is probably going to capture a ton of traffic. this is looking like Digg all over again.

    edit: don't forget secret santa, he got shit canned too. This looks like internal house cleaning of any dissident voices again Chairman Pao.

    Not surprising at all. So glad it has blown up in her face :)

    [–]caesarfecit 60 points61 points  (3 children)

    This. Victoria's firing and the complaints of the mods are just the flashpoint; the straw that broke the camel's back. The real problem is Pao and the culture she is encouraging amongst Reddit employees.

    It has manifested itself in the form of:

    • general aloofness.

    • vague, dishonest, self-serving answers to fair questions.

    • arbitrary and often abusive enforcement of the rules, especially against individual users and unpopular subreddits.

    • refusing to deal with, to the point of tacitly encouraging power mods and the increasing abuse of mod powers.

    • psuedo-narcissistic dismissal of complaints and criticisms from Reddit mods and users.

    • General obnoxiousness, sanctimoniousness, holier-than-thou bullshit and general taking for granted of the good mods and Reddit userbase.

    If this protest is going to mean anything, Pao must go.

    [–]thecompgame 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    i mean she is a lawyer and all...

    [–]2rp_valiant[S] 28 points29 points  (16 children)

    Yeah I've been reading about the lack of mod tools and admin support available - it seems shocking that such an old company (in internet years) would not yet have a comprehensive suite of tools to help with community management. Plus the fact that there are strict anti-brigading and anti-harassment rules but SJW darlings like SRS and SRD seem to get away with it because they're on "the right side of history".

    Let me know if there's anything I can do in terms of coding to improve the mod tools available - I could throw something together pretty easily using the reddit API and some screen scraping tools if needs be.

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      [–]2rp_valiant[S] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

      I'm pretty sure they used gold to fund the site's traffic growth. It seems like reddit is focussed on monetising AMAs somehow, from what's come out of recent events.

      [–]TheDemon333 26 points27 points  (2 children)

      Most have grown to believe that this is why Victoria was let go. Higher ups were pushing for a video AMA program, as well as more influence from publicists in the AMAs.

      She disagreed with these changes and her position was abruptly eliminated, with no forewarning to the volunteer mods that relied on her.

      Again, most agree that this protest is not just about one woman's job, but about the direction that the company has been going over the past few years, including censorship and deliberate miscommunication with the userbase.

      [–]KaribouLouDied 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      That was refuted and dismissed. Don't care enough to find the link, however, it still leaves the question: Why was she fired?

      [–]mryddlin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      hmm the point of monterization is the only one that hasn't been refuted to my knowledge.

      Secret Santa is in the same boat, he got canned to an that is another sub that could be monetized very easily (i.e. all the 'gifts' are from sponsors only type thing).

      IMO it is house cleaning of those that don't agree with her.

      [–]2niczar 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      it seems shocking that such an old company (in internet years) would not yet have a comprehensive suite of tools to help with community management.

      Apparently most of their staffing spending these days is not on technical (i.e. useful) people but on useless marketing types.

      Marketing. For a community-driven website.

      First thing Pao did when she arrived at reddit was remove all remote work, when it had been working out just fine for years. Staff had to relocate to the Bay Area and go work in their assigned cubicles. Typical psychopath/narcissist control freak.

      [–]mryddlin 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      The policy was implemented by the previous CEO yishan and from the rumor mill sounds like he fucked her too and gave her Reddit to avoid a lawsuit.

      She's just kept the policy going, not surprisingly

      [–]ChristianGraysBoss 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      Pao is a skilled sociopath. Don't expect her or her team to be 'fair'. They'll control reddit in a way that makes them money and pushes their agenda.

      [–]Sdom1 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      She's not that skilled. She got booted out of her prior job, and not only lost the ridiculous lawsuit she brought, but it looks like she's going to be on the hook for costs as she deliberately caused the defendants to incur excessive litigation costs in an attempt to force a settlement.

      She's just one of those people that looks good on paper and knows the right people, but has never produced a damn thing. They're all over the place. Office Space had a funny scene concerning this phenomenon, albeit at a middle management level.

      [–]1Jaereth 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      and the nebulous rule of Ellen Pao that threatens the very userbase as it stands today.

      Annnndd redpillschool's shadowban incoming.

      [–]FRONT_PAGE_QUALITY 14 points15 points  (7 children)

      Personally I'm against this sub going dark specifically because TRP is a counterculture.

      [–]TheGillos 4 points5 points  (6 children)

      What does that mean?

      [–]FRONT_PAGE_QUALITY 43 points44 points  (5 children)

      It means that even though TRP is on Reddit, TRP stands apart from it due to our viewpoints. We don't need to go private because we already know about Pao's shit. The only thing we need is a way to discuss TRP values. If Reddit serves that function great. If not there's a plan B.

      This latest round of reddit drama holds nothing of value for us. There's nothing to gain from joining in the shit slinging.

      [–]Rooi_Aap 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      TRP is about the message so much more than the medium. Reddit is just the walls of the locker room in a gym. If the locker room/gym burns down TRP just gets another set of walls. Locker room talk is why we are here, not the walls. Fuck the walls. If you like this gym so much go paddle in the kiddie pool.

      [–]NidStyles 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I 100% agree with this. There is no reason to go private, we openly discuss out distaste for Chair Pao.

      [–]TheGillos 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Ah, that makes sense. I thought it was more of a "everyone else is doing it so we shouldn't do it" 14 year old boy type thing. Hah.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I love how trp is villainized across reddit, yet every month this sub grows +5k subs consistently

      [–]mryddlin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      There is no bad press and redditors will check shit out on their own.

      When they do that, its obvious that TRP isn't what its billed as.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Sensible policies. Keep up the good work.

      [–]Asi_asu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I get the fact that theres so much more, i think you should post the bigger issue.

      [–]2niczar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The dismissal of Victoria is precisely an example of what you call "mystery", the lack of transparency.

      [–]Drenmar 59 points60 points  (20 children)

      I always thought TRP will get deleted but it seems more likely now that it will die together with all of Reddit.

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        [–]Modredpillschool 37 points38 points  (14 children)

        Plus we have an offsite alternative ready to go if it happens.

        [–]jungle_fungle 12 points13 points  (5 children)

        I'm a mobile only user. Will anyone make an app for the new site?

        [–]Modredpillschool 23 points24 points  (2 children)

        I think perhaps, yes.

        [–]PowerVitamin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Developer here: Apache Cordova will literally let you recycle your webpage code into a cross-platform mobile app. For speed and hitting all the target devices (windows phone, iOS, Android), this would be ideal for a crisis situation. One person could have your app up in a week or less.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        And enough lifeboats to get all the men off the sinking ship.

        [–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 4 points5 points  (4 children)

        Is that alternative mentioned in the side bar?

        [–]Modredpillschool 12 points13 points  (3 children)

        Yup. It will be announced on puerarchy.com

        If you feel like it, you can reserve your reddit name for our future forum.. right now!

        http://www.puerarchy.com/verify/index.php

        [–]monkeythrowingpoop 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I've been trying to reserve at least one of my several usernames on purearchy.com but it keeps coming back that it can't it verify the UN.

        Can you offer any suggestions?

        [–]Modredpillschool 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        It uses reddit api to verify your name, so you gotta be logged into the same account you're verifying when you do it. If the names don't match up, no go.

        [–]hermit087 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        It would be hilarious if five years from now, Reddit still has a thriving trp community long after everybody else has left. Whats left of the sjw admins(after most are fired due to budget cuts) will just have to quietly accept trp as one of the only small trickles of revenue still remaining.

        [–]waylandertheslayer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        We even have advice for them: just enjoy the decline!

        [–]Hale_Merry 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Agreed. I'll bet lots of people ONLY use Reddit for TRP. I know I do.

        [–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        that even if this were the only sub left on reddit the majority of users would stay.

        Like those old burnout strip malls where one or two places stay, regardless of how bad the place looks.

        [–]1London-Bananas 21 points22 points  (11 children)

        In another thread there was a mod or admin (don't remember) who said Pao kicked Victoria to the curb because she didn't agree with radical (monetization) changes in the AmA style. This included doing video AmAs ($$$$$ + easier brigading).

        This is also in line with the banning of FPH. If you want to make serious bucks, you can't have hate against 30-40% of the population reaching your front page, or you might find yourself with tentacle grape juice advertisements.

        [–]TheQuon 23 points24 points  (0 children)

        That is exactly why FPH was banned but TRP and other arguably more "distasteful" subs were ignored. FPH posts made the front page daily. If TRP ever became that popular it'd be gone fast.

        [–]1cover20 5 points6 points  (7 children)

        I don't understand, probably because I am clueless: 1. how do video AMA's make for easier brigading 2. what is FPH 3. what are tentacle grape juice advertisements?

        [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

        1.AMAs are publicised on the social media accounts of those who the AMA is about. This means their followers are able to come to reddit, create accounts and down vote dissenting or hard line comments and questions in the AMA.

        1. FPH or r/fatpeoplehate was a sub dedicated to hating fat people and their fatness. It was removed by the admins under the guise of the subreddit harassing people,however there was no such thing being done. As a matter of fact it was actively discouraged. The real reason is that reddit is trying to become a major advertising platform and the existence of a sub that hates on 40% of the population wouldn't fly with advertisers who pay big money.

        2. As for the tentacles, search rule 34.

        [–]1cover20 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Thanks. The tentacles led me to an interesting anime involving tentacles, juice but no grapes. The girl was having a very good time.

        [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        The fact that 40% fit that description is disturbing. We need more fat hate

        [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        More like 60% if my trip to the local mall was any indicator.

        [–]throwaway1643 100 points101 points  (22 children)

        What's interesting is that before Pao married her husband (who's accused of civil fraud, and filed a racial discrimination lawsuit which he lost, similar to Pao's failed lawsuit), he was in an openly gay long-term relationship for 10 years.

        You can't make this stuff up.

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          [–]2rp_valiant[S] 40 points41 points  (14 children)

          eeh, I don't find that too surprising considering bisexuality is a thing. These two are certainly a dynamic duo though - both large-scale scam artists in their own ways, and yet Pao is determined to construct some kind of moral high ground on the fertile hills of Redditville.

          [–]throwaway1643 24 points25 points  (13 children)

          Yeah I agree, of course people are free to have whatever sexual preference they want, but what's curious is that up until he got married he lived his entire life as a gay man (not bisexual, mind you). That's highly unusual.

          Incredible con-artists, and the way Pao was able to spin the media to portray her in a sympathetic light in her court case is remarkable.

          [–]2rp_valiant[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

          Narcissism is a powerful drug. Plus it's very easy for women to get the media on board thanks to the ever-present women are wonderful effect

          [–]M3_Drifter 17 points18 points  (8 children)

          [–]1xwm 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          She looks like a male cross dresser in this picture....

          Holy shit, guys, I just cracked the code! Suddenly everything makes sense!

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            [–]EliQuince 14 points15 points  (0 children)

            I wouldn't rule it out- high hairline, broad jaw, slightly protruding brow, perhaps even remnants of an adams apple.

            As a trans person these are your 'gives', and Pao is like 4/4 in this pic..

            [–]TheQuon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            If she is trans it would explain a lot.

            [–]Cashews4U 9 points10 points  (1 child)

            She is a woman in power, so anyone who disagrees can be straw-manned into being a misogynist. And because the subs that got the most complaints were banned, the vocal minority got what they wanted to spite what most of reddit couldn't care less about.

            [–]1cover20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Not atypically, the person she put under the bus is a woman. That's the same thing she did at Kleiner.

            [–]grue2593 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Some brilliant mother fucker edited every instance of Pao's name to Adolf Hitler on that wiki page. Well done.

            [–]derpmikeyt 17 points18 points  (2 children)

            -( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)╯╲___卐卐卐卐 Don't mind me just taking my admins for a walk

            [–]2rp_valiant[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            Haha nice, I genuinely laughed out loud at that.

            [–][deleted]  (24 children)

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            [–]mrheh 25 points26 points  (7 children)

            I watched a great quick video on youtube about how Feminism and SJW's destroyed the occupy movement and what it actually stood for. *Edit Found video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvYSPxvrq5s

            [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

            They also distracted from what that whole gamer gate thing was about.

            [–]mryddlin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This is fucking great, thanks man!

            [–]TurgidMeatWand 0 points1 point  (4 children)

            You'll have to provide a link, as I understood it everyone ruined what occupy was supposed to be.

            [–]mrheh 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            [–]TurgidMeatWand 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            thank you, and holy shit I didn't know atheism + was even a thing.

            [–]EvolvingRedneck 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Like George Carlin said. The self esteem movement was a complete failure

            [–]mrheh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I'll give a quick search, the guy is famous for calling peolple/groups out on their bullshit

            [–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (6 children)

            They've created "rape culture" and a shit load of baseless hysteria

            [–]Mans_Right_To_Choose 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            And the 77% pay inequality myth.

            [–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 17 points18 points  (0 children)

            They've created "rape culture" and a shit load of baseless hysteria

            Lol, that was a funny/good comeback.

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              [–]2niczar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              She's a NPD psychopath first. She's only a feminist because it fits the delusional victim narrative all NPDs like to spin, male or female, liberal or conservative.

              [–]colucci 46 points47 points  (17 children)

              Let's put TRP and Pao-hate aside, and take some notes on how not to run a company.

              [–]CSMastermind 14 points15 points  (3 children)

              What really gets me is that she clearly doesn't know how to use the website. She tried to post a link to a PM in her inbox. That's like when your grandma tries to email you a photo but it's just the C: path on the her computer to get to it.

              I understand that as CEO you aren't in the weeds coding but you would think she would know something about the company she's running. I can't imagine Bill McDermott not understanding the basics of accounting or Paul Jacobs not knowing how to use a cellphone.

              [–]hermit087 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              The pathetic thing is that Reddit had such a massive user-base and successful format already that they would not need to be that competent to continue to grow. As long as they didn't go full sjw with their staff and corporate policies, and had a few cool outgoing people like Victoria as admins to interact with the community(you wouldn't even have to pay them much!) they could have coasted on their success just fine.

              Its not like this was a real tech or manufacturing company that needs smart people to stay on top.

              [–]Modredpillschool 20 points21 points  (11 children)

              I wonder what would've happened with gasp a male ceo?

              [–]1cover20 15 points16 points  (4 children)

              I'd support Victoria Taylor for CEO. It may be needed to save Reddit, and we can see she was doing a fine job.

              [–]1London-Bananas 21 points22 points  (1 child)

              Not saying Pao is doing a terrific job but there really is a large difference between being an admin and the CEO of a company

              [–]1cover20 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              And what was Pao's CEO experience before this? Kleiner offered her operating experience, but she turned it down insisting on being an investing partner instead.

              Please explain how Reddit, with a stable userbase and operating environment, would founder in the three months it would take an intelligent layman to get going as CEO. Reddit basically runs itself which is why Pao could be plugged in there as a sop and to support her as she continues to do her damage, rather than just being bankrupt and going away as she should.

              [–]Moridakkubokka 13 points14 points  (1 child)

              She seems very nice and all but her as ceo? calm down, all she did was have interviews with some celebs and write things.

              She doesn't have the qualifications for the job I'd think.

              [–]colucci 13 points14 points  (3 children)

              I don't care, honestly. As I said, let's put gender issues aside, and to learn a thing or two on what not to do as the chief of a company. I'm sure there are male ceos that would have made a bigger mess of all this.

              [–]Modredpillschool 40 points41 points  (1 child)

              Pushing SJW issues over the future of your business? I haven't seen it before, but if I were a betting man, I'd say it was likely also done by women.

              This is a strictly female ideal. Feels before reals.

              [–]1independentmale 16 points17 points  (0 children)

              A man might intentionally run it into the ground if there was a healthy profit to be made from doing so. At least that I could respect.

              [–]HS-Thompson 14 points15 points  (7 children)

              I've been involved in Internet communities since they were all green text on a black background. They are all expendable and they all come and go naturally, and one constant is that people make way too big a deal out of it when they do.

              [–]OneInAZillion 30 points31 points  (6 children)

              I'm so fucking tired of this "everyone has to conform to political correctness" agenda.

              My IP address got banned from r/funny for the following:

              There was a picture of a woman hunched over the toilet puking (because she's pregnant) and a man close by in a chair with his head in his hands, seemingly devistated that his wife is pregnant (and a small child holding a jar of Preggo (so we all understand the context)), and I commented:

              "Oh I get it, the woman is pregnant and the man has his head in his hands indicating that he is not happy about it. Hardy har har". (Because "jokes" like this have been beaten to death).

              My comment ended up getting around 10 or so upvotes from people clearly feeling the same as me but I still ended up getting banned from r/funny without even an email to explain which "rule" I violated. I logged out and tried to see if I could get into r/funny that way but no dice.

              Well done mods.

              [–]TheQuon 22 points23 points  (1 child)

              I'm like 99.9% certain that mods cannot IP ban. Only Admins can, and it's rare. Maybe not so rare lately though.

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              "Oh I get it, the woman is pregnant and the man has his head in his hands indicating that he is not happy about it. Hardy har har". (Because "jokes" like this have been beaten to death).

              If you really got banned for saying the above, then I am pretty speechless. It makes me wonder how people that are offended by something of this caliber are able to make it out in the real world.

              [–]8n0n 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              It makes me wonder how people that are offended by something of this caliber are able to make it out in the real world.

              Convenience.

              Door to door deliveries, maybe a small income from blogs/ebay and electronic billing means minimal exposure to the real world.

              [–]jimmybrite 15 points16 points  (2 children)

              You left out the theory of Victoria's dissent.

              [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Video AMAs would definitely be a mistake. Unless you're trained in public speaking, witty on the fly, and how to deflect attacks on the spot, that would definitely go wrong. Plus text allows someone to think a long time before they speak, creating a thoughful answer instead of something built in 2 seconds of thinking.

              [–]2rp_valiant[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              thanks, I hadn't seen that - I'll edit this in and continue to add any further notes that surface in the comments.

              [–]JanLul 24 points25 points  (11 children)

              This will blow over soon enough. IAMA will change back pretty soon and the stream of people joining 'VOAT' will be minimal. Even though a fair amount of people dislike Ellen Pao, things will not get bad enough for reddit to fold / implode.

              The Red Pill sub will even stay here. There are no indications that the sub will be banned (as long as we keep to ourselves). Sign up for the mailing regardless. Fail safes are a good thing.

              [–]2rp_valiant[S] 17 points18 points  (7 children)

              I would agree wholeheartedly if it hadn't been for the implosion of Digg and StumbleUpon that both happened from relatively small issues. It's yet another brick to add to the wall Pao is building between herself and the community she manages, and at some point people will get fed up and leave. I can't predict when it'll happen, or if reddit will get back on track before Pao sets sail down shit creek, but I know that the direction we're headed in at the moment can't be sustained indefinitely. There's a lot of unpleasant content on reddit that I'm sure Pao would love to ban but there'll come a tipping point where reddit is no longer considered a neutral community dedicated to free speech and people will start finding new homes for their forums.

              [–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              community she manages

              You mean the community that provides ALL of the content she makes her paychecks from?

              [–]JanLul 7 points8 points  (3 children)

              Yet look at YouTube after Google took over. So many different things that had almost everyone in the communities fed up. VOAT does not seem like a solid alternative.

              [–]internet_terrorist 9 points10 points  (1 child)

              You can liken it to the Wright brothers trying to fly their plane. Each time they flew, they crashed. But one time.. they didn't.

              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              No. Nothing will be changed back. The vast majority of users on this site are utterly apathetic losers. They'll rant and rave for a day or two, then everything will go back to whatever Pao wants it to be. She'll stay on as interim and be confirmed in her job, and work towards seriously PG-ing reddit to monetize it completely. In two years, it'll be unrecognizable.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I believe there will always be a reddit community, but if events like these keep continuing then it'll will lead to people wandering off.

              The real question now is reddit turning into more of propaganda media than ever before.

              [–]savedarticles 34 points35 points  (1 child)

              lol at everyone getting worked up over a fucking website. The community can reside anywhere. Reddit is just a host. Don't let this bother you to much. Go improve your lives. Leave reddit politics to the poor souls that have to deal with it(our mods)

              [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Reddit is just a real life RPG for Social Justice Warriors sometimes

              [–]Hrodrik 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Far left vision? Where are the reddit official "fight the TPP" stickied posts?

              It's hard to believe that a website actively censoring TPP related content is far left.

              So, will people here so fucking lumping SJWs and feminists together with the rest of the left wing?

              [–]bexpert 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              I, for one, will be happy to see Reddit dissolve. It is a vile cesspool of low quality content and low quality users.

              That being said, it has formed a useful community for TheRedPill (and certain other small sub-communities) simply due to its format.

              I wish the owners of Puearchy would at least add a simple forum so we can continue TRP discussions and posts over there. As it is, there is no forum on the web dedicated to TRP besides this subreddit. If Puearchy won't implement a TRP forum then someone else should.

              [–]topredhat 21 points22 points  (2 children)

              To make it worse, she doesn't even know how to use reddit. This ladys a joke lol.

              Edit - It's not like making your sub private is going change anything. Reddit likes to feel they doing something righteous then later change their mind and want everything back how it was before.

              [–]2rp_valiant[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              turning private deprives reddit of the ad views and gold from that subreddit for the day. If it were only small subreddits no difference would be made but a blackout of the major subs has the potential to seriously disrupt reddit's bottom line.

              [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

              Pao's feefees were hurt. So someone's head must role regardless of larger impact. This is completely in line with what we've all learned from this godsend of a sub.

              [–]I_Am_My_Own_God 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              Another fine example of what happens when you allow women into male spaces. Alex and Aaron created something great but it may very well be ruined because of some cunt on a SJW power trip.

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Whenever a feminist starts whining about equality, it's nice to know that women are actually given opportunities left and right, and they just fuck it all up too badly.

              [–]misergabby 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              It's digg.com all over again

              [–]WAFC 11 points12 points  (4 children)

              Got my tinfoil hat on this morning.

              I don't buy it. For a month or so now reddit has been losing parts of its userbase over censorship issues. Now the mods are angry with the administration over similar issues. Subs like KotakuInAction and the like are already blowing up over this. People are picking sides....but the fight is reddit vs. reddit, and admins vs. mods (where aggrieved users pick sides and reddit can control both sides of the narrative) is a great tactic to stem the tide.

              The longer it goes on the more convinced I will be, but for now I'm skeptical.

              [–]trp_angry_dwarf 15 points16 points  (2 children)

              2x isn't going dark though. not even talking about it. They know they're safe.

              [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

              There's plenty of safe subs gone dark in solidarity they don't talk about it because they're a bunch of women.

              Half of Reddit was shut and everyone in 2x and askwomen were like errrrrr wtf going on guys?! Half of them didn't know what an iama is or what the problem with Ellen pao was.

              It happened already, it's done and they're all like "is this like a thing? Omg it's like totally bizzare rite?".

              [–]Rathadin 13 points14 points  (0 children)

              What did you expect? Women can't be bothered with actual issues, they're busy crying to other women.

              [–]majorasmaskfan 5 points6 points  (10 children)

              how is a rich capitalist ceo a radical feminist?

              [–]theHangedGod 8 points9 points  (1 child)

              She's not a capitalist, she's a totalitarian.

              She received Reddit and instead of enforcing the rules the community wants, she enforces her own.

              She's like the president of Reddit where there is no judicial or legislative branch to check her privilege.

              [–]2rp_valiant[S] 17 points18 points  (3 children)

              I don't know - maybe you should ask Pao. Or Marissa Mayer. Or Sheryl Sandberg.

              feminism is a power grab. Capitalism is a money/power grab. The two are far from mutually exclusive.

              [–]Lt_Muffintoes 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              Capitalists become rich by providing the best service to the customer. When there is a state involved, it is not capitalism.

              [–]CSMastermind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I wouldn't lump Marissa Mayer in with the other two, they're pretty different. Mayer has gotten all sorts of shit from feminists for things including stating that she isn't one.

              [–]TheQuon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Because it is very profitable. Fat chicks are leading consumers in today's market. Reddit is going tumblr'ing down the rabbit hole.

              [–]thefisherman1961 6 points7 points  (5 children)

              Apparently firing Victoria Taylor is part of Ellen Pao's radical left-wing "feminism" empowering women

              [–]Modredpillschool 15 points16 points  (3 children)

              Victoria probably tried to negotiate a higher salary.

              [–]2rp_valiant[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              a critical error. Everyone knows women are incapable of negotiating. /s

              [–]sushisection 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Jokes aside, that's a seriously fucked up policy. It's sexist to its core, but since a woman implemented it, it's ok!

              [–]libertypole 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              unless i've missed something, the reasons for her being fired are all speculation.

              this boycott seems like one of those useless rallies where everyone gets to make their cute sign and feel all important and self-righteous. then some news person asks the protestors what they are protesting and it's clear they have no idea what the fuck they're doing. why get involved when you don't even know what you're crusading for? this victoria person deserved it for all i know.

              [–]TheQuon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Pretty much. I would however love to be a fly on the wall as Reddit HQ discusses this gigantic fucking hole they just discovered in their business model where the user base can just arbitrarily shut them down at any perceived slight. $100 says they remove the "private" feature of subs.

              fucking lol!

              Hoisted on their on libtard?

              [–]RiseAboveRuin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I think the admins will just ignore it and reddit will resume usual in 2 weeks and forget all about it. Just like Fatpeoplehate.

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              [–]1cover20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              As long as people keep coming her despite Pao's shit, she can do whatever she wants and get a big bonus because the money is flowing in.

              [–]reelsies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I hope that this event puts a large dent in reddit's usership, but even if it does, it will be for the wrong reasons.

              Mods abuse their power regularly, so the whole fiasco just seems like an argument of power between the powerful/corrupt and the even more powerful/corrupt.

              And reddit users just follow along because they're sheep, and will support anything edgy as long as it has a veneer of legitimacy and enough popularity behind it.

              [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Former coworkers of hers have referred to her as a drama queen. Claiming that she's the type of person that's ALWAYS in conflict with someone, wherever she goes. Other people who worked under her, have called her out of touch, and sociopathic.

              Either way. Jesus Christ, talk about shitty leadership. This lady came to Reddit and has pissed off literally every subgroup. It's like she doesn't even understand the base here.

              [–]Darth_Sin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Emperor Paopatine :- "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen."

              [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (10 children)

              Wouldn't the greatest irony of all, be if TRP left reddit of its own volition, because of how shitty it (reddit) has become? Instead of being shutdown.

              THAT would send a message. I'm not advocating it, because I'm used to it being here. But this is an interesting development.

              [–]JORGA 13 points14 points  (0 children)

              Reddit as a whole wouldn't give a shit if trp left, that's just the plain truth.

              In the grand scale this sub is rather insignificant

              [–]Modredpillschool 17 points18 points  (6 children)

              Our position is that we will not be leaving reddit unless a shut down is imminent or has happened. However, we may be opening our replacement forums for archives and user registration early.

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              I'm glad. It's reddit drama that we needn't be involved with anyway. I just always thought TRP would go out in a widely publicized banning, not that reddit would start eating itself from the inside out.

              [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

              Please do I'm sick of Reddit it's a shit hole full of manginas.

              [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

              and the trolls are so fucking annoying. even here

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              [–]2rp_valiant[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              it's "puerarchy" - it means rule by boys and is pronounced "pure-archy".

              [–]Modredpillschool 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              If you want a real detailed explanation for the term puerarchy, here's Ian Ironwood on it:

              http://puerarchy.com/2013/07/16/ironwood-speaks-welcome-to-the-puerarchy-this-is-what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-you/

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              [–]hermit087 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              It would be interesting to see who claims all of the new mod positions if that happens. SRS seems to have mastered the art of "squatting" themselves into mod slots.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Left bandwagon of political correctness is on! People will wear rainbow colors panties soon! New freedoms are about to come to existence.

              Freedoms where nobody is offended because nobody is not even talking! Feminism and leftism are doing the only thing they know how to do - destroying.

              Everything is going down. Straight male shaming is a thing and it will be just worse.

              Save yourself and hold you pants - we are going to need it.

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              [–]2rp_valiant[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              that's not what this post is about really - it's about the Pao administration's continual mishandling of reddit community relations and the beginnings of a downward spiral. I didn't know who she was yesterday and continue to not care today - it's more about reading between the lines.

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