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Red Pill TheoryHarsh Truth Time: Porn is Made for Losers (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table

TRP is an interesting corner of the net, isn't it? If you take the advice and only the advice doled out here, then this becomes your average self improvement forum--an interesting admixture of rfitness and seddit. What separates us from these other subs, useful as they are, is that here at TRP, we offer you the truth in the most undistilled form possible. We don't horse around and try to dilute the facts to soothe your emotions; ours is not the game of deception for comfort's sake. Our entire purpose is to dish out the truth in one big helping and help you digest it and shit out the nonsense blue pill and incorporate the red pill in your life.

Even with all of that said, there remain certain areas that a lot of men simply refuse to take the Red Pill with regards to. Of these, none is as pervasive and hamster-activating as the the spine of the Internet, pornography.

The immediate reaction of your average porn user whenever they are confronted with evidence--anecdotal and scientific both--of the deleterious effects of porn, is to disregard it and rationalise that it doesn't apply to them/they're different. Here on reddit, these men excercise their power of protest by clicking on that downvote button, making sure you know that they're displeased by you squirting the truth all over them. I don't have to tell you how incredibly beta and effeminate that is. Any man who, when confronted with new information that is as close to whole as can be, decides that he will,in fact, discount it in favour of carrying on with his weakness--that man has a hamster whose spinning capabilities rival even those of a pornstar who decries not being accorded the same level of respect as a married nurse from Indiana.

Here is the fact: porn is made for losers. Yes, losers. Not high-achieving males, not world leaders, not alphas--losers. Porn is pacification. It's synthetic satisfaction of our most dominant need as men. It's a fake, temporary satiation of our defining need as strictly biological organisms. When you sit in front of your screen, listening to the fake moans of that blonde pornstar, watching that jock with the 9-inch cock ram into her, tugging your meat to orgasm -- you're actively taking part in your own pacification and dumbing down.

To make the point as clear as possible, lets draw comparison with another billion dollar industry that profits off of exploiting your basic human drives: the fast food industry. What goes through your mind when you walk into a McDonald's and see a 400-pound whale wolfing down their third triple-bypass burger of the day, complete with enough fries to feed a village in Somalia and a soda big enough to water that same village? Is it, " That person has such self-control and I'm sure their life is going exactly where they want it to go?" No. If you're any sort of honest, two words go through your mind when you see that slob--"fat loser"

Now ask yourself this: if you have such a disparaging view of people who lack enough self-control to see what all those burgers and fries are doing to them--why should you be any more lenient on your own porn use? What exactly separates your useless vice from theirs from an objective standpoint? Sure, they're probably on a crash course with diabetes and heart disease, but does that make them any worse off than you and the self-loathing you endure every time you rub one out?

The biggest problem here is that you have linked your porn use with your sexual proclivities for so long that you don't know which one influences the other anymore. Why,exactly, do you watch porn? For the view? Certainly not for the acting. You watch porn to masturbate. You watch porn in substitute of a warm, wet pussy because it's easier for you to drop your pants and grab a Kleenex than it is to seduce a woman and make her dripping wet for you and dominate her to both your orgasms.

And don't try to strawman either by saying I'm arguing that you should place all of your sexual pleasure in the hands of a woman. When you're in a position where sex with a woman is simply not possible, then do something that adds to your mission and makes you a better man. If you absolutely must rub one out, then for the love of Brodin, lay down on your bed, close your eyes, and visualise yourself having sex with that beautiful 9. Occasional controlled masturbation is, in fact, probably healthy. But tell me: what does you imagining the next time you're gonna be balls-deep in an absolute babe have to do with that gangbang you're playing on your screen right now? If porn were so great, you wouldn't get that sinking feeling of regret and mild disgust that you do after every one of your little sessions. That voice that grows dimmer with each fap is your subconscious telling you that you are not, in fact, fulfilling your imperative as a man. You can ignore it, but it never really goes away, does it?

Now, if you find yourself still hamstering or proclaiming that I'm likely bitter because I can't control my porn usage--I'll tell you right now that you still don't get it. Because regardless of where you stand, no man can ever claim in earnest that spilling his seed in his palm feels better than having it compelled by the tight muscles of a woman's pussy. If you do that, you're not only hamstering, but you're a pussy bitch.

So much like that fat beast at McDonald's who performs Olympic-level mental gymnastics in order to justify their gluttony and not, in fact, admit that they're fat and unhealthy--every time you masturbate to porn, all you're doing is tying the strings of blue pill puppetry even stronger. You're falling victim to the fallacy of short-term hedonism somehow being equal to fulfillment. You can justify it however you like, but you happen to be on one of the very few places on the Internet where we value truth over a person's feelings.

What tends to get lost in all of our theorising here is a fundamental fact. Alpha is not a state of mind or a set of principles given to you by this place; alpha is a verb. It's in everything you do. So ask yourself --is porn alpha? You already know the answer.


[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (5 children)

I'm approving this thread. I don't necessarily agree with everything the OP is saying, but some people reading this do need the tough love aspect at the heart of what he's saying.

[–][deleted] 128 points129 points  (37 children)

Porn is sexual fast food.

It's bad for you.

It will keep you "alive" sexually, but it doesn't nourish you. It makes you fat and lazy sexually. Why improve yourself to get a real girl when you can masturbate and get that release satisfied right now?

It's addicting. Porn operates like fast food and chemicals. Porn works on the brain's pleasure centers, giving you a quick dopamine hit and the vasopressin "afterglow" with almost no effort. Your brain says "That feels good! Do that again!" over and over and over again.

[–]BlackPhoenix01 11 points12 points  (0 children)

So much this. Watching girl on girl, or watching any other type of porn is basically like guzzling down McDonalds. Feels great at the time, but you're going to feel very sorry for yourself afterwards.

There's also a post somewhere that compared watching porn to voyeurism. There was always an alpha male that would easily have women to couple with, while the beta males had to sit around in the bushes and watch.

I don't want to be one of those beta males

[–]gareiu 4 points5 points  (7 children)

it felt good though

when i was at my toughest break, i resulted to masturbation and pornography before going to bed. i've got no one to talk to about my problem, got no one to comfort me when i was depressed from a bad job loss, all i had was the virtual pov of clips4sale videos. at least it dulled the pain on having to go back to the mind dulling temp job, and before you say get a better job- its hard without a degree but im working on it.

anyway, this was also probably one of the catalyst. i went to internet virtual porn and release when i was stressed and anxious about my job (they promoted me into a new position, with more responsibilities) and i just kept jerking it at home because i was nervous and i wasn't in the moment. then the worst happened and i got kicked off. so in away, wanking off got me worst but at the same time it also relieved me of the pain.

and going to relapse would be difficult because my mind would be unstable. perhaps nootropics and/or drugs can help but i'm not even knowledgeable here. i think the best way to do it is treat it as a friend, not chastise the self. if i want to jerk off and watch porn, then be it but not so in moderation right? or do you actually want people to stay away from porn and be abstinent while being damn single, kissless, and trying to dig out of a rut after a once in a life time job loss?

also, its not even porn that i watch, it's super softcore shit, the lady giving a virtual massage. but i flip it around sometimes, i watch amateur to hardcore, to some weird ass kink shit.

[–]tb87670 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Long time Empornium user here. It is a good thing if you need. I took Phenibut in long stretches for over half a year until my PTSD resided, whereas most people warn never take it more than 2 days at a time I was doing month-long cycles. But here I am, don't need Phenibut anymore. My PTSD has subsided to the point I only take it if I want a slight boost for a hot date.

Porn is much the same. If in a rough patch and you have no women to turn to it can give you a visual so you can at least get off to the pretty women some way. Combined with a Fleshlight though and it's really easy to get complacent and not need women in any way. This can be good and bad, sexual complacency is good for being a MGTOW but bad if you are wanting to get laid and actually taste a woman. Use as needed, everyone has their own needs so don't let anyone on the internet tell you what does and doesn't work for you. Figure that shit out on your own. Porn helps then it helps. If you notice problems from it cut it out.

[–]manslutalt 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Yes I agree. Porn is a tool, it's self-medication, it's an escape from the reality that first world women aren't interested in insecure beta losers. It's a coping mechanism. Sometimes a coping mechanism is just what you need to take your mind off your problems so you can focus on your goals.

How and why you use it is up to you to decide. I know I'm going to be fucking hotties left and right in a few years, but I have a lot of work to do before then. Most of which has nothing to do with women. Letting myself get distracted by sexual frustration would only sabotage my progress.

[–]kinklianekoff 1 point2 points  (1 child)

you're rationalizing that porn use is a comfort in hard times. OP was made for guys like you. If your situation sucks, escaping from it through porn is not achieving anything.

[–]Smoothtank 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I don't think getting "a real girl" is much of an accomplishment these days. It certainly isn't a mark of any sort of prowess and not something any reasonable man would seek out. I think it's equally pathetic to consume porn or time and resources pursuing the "real" thing.

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[–]smfc 28 points29 points  (2 children)

nah bro if you aren't making bitches your #1 priority every day then you obviously aren't an alpha male gtfo this site /s

[–]El_Shakiel 21 points22 points  (1 child)

To no man women must be priority numéro uno. It should be you, your journey, your mission. This is, ultimately, what TRP is really about.

[–]smfc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

sadly i know people who would fight to the grave to prove you otherwise. in fact, one of them has spent so much money chasing and dating women that he is now asking to borrow cash to continue his habit. it's kinda sad. almost like a junkie hahaha

[–]refusewool 1 point2 points  (7 children)

But you can quell your sexual urges by masturbating without porn. This is described and elaborated on in NMMNG as "healthy masturbation" if I recall correctly.

[–]PhoneticJustice 150 points151 points  (47 children)

Someone in a thread the other day changed my perspective on it. He said something like:

“Porn is another form of being cucked. You're jerking it to another man fucking a woman you desire."

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      [–]DroppinHadjisLandR 2 points3 points  (6 children)

      So anyone can be an alpha if they don't jerk off.

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        [–]skeletonized 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I'm thinking of the biopic movie of the horse Seabiscuit

        Seabiscuit was foaled in Lexington, Kentucky, on May 23, 1933,[1][2] from the mare Swing On and sire Hard Tack, a son of Man o' War.[3] Seabiscuit was named for his father, as hardtack or "sea biscuit" is the name for a type of cracker eaten by sailors.[4]

        The bay colt grew up on Claiborne Farm in Paris, Kentucky, where he was trained. He was undersized, knobby-kneed,[3] and given to sleeping and eating for long periods.

        Initially, Seabiscuit was owned by the powerful Wheatley Stable and trained by "Sunny Jim" Fitzsimmons, who had taken Gallant Fox to the United States Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing. Fitzsimmons saw some potential in Seabiscuit but felt the horse was too lazy. Fitzsimmons devoted most of his time to training Omaha, who won the 1935 Triple Crown.

        In the film, Tobey Maguire explains that Seabiscuit finished 2nd over and over, on purpose, to build the confidence of the other horses. He had to be taught that it was okay to race past the frontrunner - which was always possible, given his genetics, and unleash the alpha because he was conditioned to be beta, let other horses outrun him to pump up their FEELZ.

        [–]skoobled 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        It makes perfect sense anyway - Masturbation is obviously an evolved behaviour. You can't tickle yourself, so why can you jerk yourself off to orgasm? Seems simple enough - it's a release mechanism that maintains a high sex drive whilst mitigating the risks when females are unavailable: fighting other males for sexual access has risk like any other physical conflict

        Porn is basically a technological aid to this. I agree to some extent it's dangerous like, but on the other hand I'd rather jerk sometimes than handle some crazy bitch crap...

        [–]skeletonized 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        Evidence fitting narrative, or narrative fitting evidence. I'm intrigued by this idea that their may be a lower primate feedback loop system that we still have in the back of our brains reinforcing our tribal dominance hierarchy. This may be a piece of evolutionary biology to use as a reason to abstain, rather than because G-d says so, as we grow more secular/atheistic.

        [–]ChadThundercockII 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        that is why most men think that being alpha is having an 9inch dick and ripped abs while being 6 feet3. They have been watching those same guys fuck since they were 12.

        [–]enkae7317 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Kind of like that old saying, "There are two types of guys in this world--one that fucks the girl, and one that holds the camera."

        So tell me, which one are you?

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          [–]getRedPill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Proof, studies this actually happening or is it your supposition

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            [–]kellykebab 46 points47 points  (0 children)

            That's a terrible analogy. You aren't watching a cuck when you watch porn. You are the cuck. When you watch medical dramas, you're watching someone else achieve while you do nothing. In both cases, you are living vicariously through fiction. Ideally, the RP alpha has too much going on to do either.

            [–]PhoneticJustice 18 points19 points  (3 children)

            Of course they're not actually equivalent. But you are still literally jerking off to someone else fucking a girl you'd rather be fucking yourself.

            [–]LilMeeky 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            What if he watches a girl masturbate? Major cuck?

            [–]alcaholicost 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I love to imagine fucking Stoya. I would never fuck her. She could be on her knees trying to unzip me with her teeth and I would be able to remember all the dicks I've seen her suck.

            I'm jerking off to the idea of having her first, and that dude in the video is pretty easy to pretend is me. Std free!

            [–]_DiscoNinja_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Get out there and go to medical schoool, pussy!

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              [–]icecow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              That's because most men are out of shape. They want to see their wife act out as an incredible sexual being, but the only way he can see that happening is if a muscular guy is trying to kill her vagina with his dick, and that means a different guy. He's so dumb he's picturing his wife collapsed in her own pool of goo thinking, "Oh hubby sex is great, we need to start having pounding sex all the time, we've got to get a girl in here for you. You've got to try this." Yeah, that's what she's thinking.

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                [–]DroppinHadjisLandR 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                Touching your dick is gay. Think about it.

                [–]LilMeeky 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                Holy fuck I'm with a faggot. :(

                [–]DVNO84 33 points34 points  (7 children)

                If porn were so great, you wouldn't get that sinking feeling of regret and mild disgust that you do after every one of your little sessions. That voice that grows dimmer with each fap is your subconscious telling you that you are not, in fact, fulfilling your imperative as a man. You can ignore it, but it never really goes away, does it?

                This part hit home and woke me up. It never goes away does it?
                Thanks for posting this.

                [–]maxbrooksmacbook 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                This has never happened to me. Might be tied to some guilt complex

                [–]manslutalt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                I never had it either. Some people feel guilty/disgusted/whatever after fucking hookers too. I don't.

                [–]skoobled 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                You've never had regret after fucking a girl? I think the general explanation is that it's snapping out of any kind hormone-driven behaviour, for example being in a fight. You come to the realisation that your hindbrain was running the show back there...

                [–]___Jamie___ 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                i always feel like "you da man" after fucking. you know what i mean :D

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                [–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 18 points19 points  (12 children)

                Your journey is precisely what every man who's keen to change needs to read.

                Funny you should mention music, because I was saying just that to my LTR the other day. She was complaining about how much violent music I like, told me that all types of music were equal because they were all expression. I told her that this simply wasn't true. I pointed out a mutual friend of ours who's very effeminate, listens to Amy Winehouse and the sort, and always posts statuses about "being in his feels" and whatnot. Then I asked if she'd ever want her son to be like that. Three guesses what she said.

                Music is very influential because like any form of communication it pervades your subconscious and begins to shape who you are and what you do.

                [–]torik0 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                fapping using your imagination is actually helpful because it lets you rewire your brain to expect sex from the real world/real girls.

                Expecting sex prevents you from getting sex though. That's the problem with most "Nice Guys".

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                  [–]ChadThundercockII 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Your experience is similar to mine. However, I never regarded porn as a bad thing in the first place;Although I won't be watching clips any time soon aka NEVER.

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                  [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (32 children)

                  A new friend I've made on here shared this piece of wisdom with me:

                  It's purely about one thing and one thing only. People want, no, need, their delusions. If you assault those delusions, or the comfort of their clique, you are directly assaulting their peace and security. A few apples will fall from the tree when you shake it, but overall, most of them are there because they want to be there.

                  Porn makes us very comfortable, and directly wires into our own pre-established neural pathways for sex, rooting its use in bad habits even deeper into the brain. A lot of people in the world would be much happier jacking off to porn every day and trying to convince themselves that 'it's not a problem' or they're 'not addicted'. When you rationally explain the reasons why prolonged porn use (and porn use in general) is bad for them, they'll work themselves into a frenzy.

                  I made a similar post some time ago, and was downvoted into hell.

                  Either the community as a whole is getting better at recognising their flaws, or the cognitive bias of following what an EC says versus what a regular user says is being made apparent here. Either way, glad to see your head is screwed on straight.

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                    [–]Just_in78 42 points43 points  (5 children)

                    Porn is basically a free dopamine high. You get that high for doing nothing but tugging it, and apart from drugs, it's one of the best highs you can get in your life as a man. It's the mission of your life, and as a man, you're driven by that singular mission-to spread your DNA to a new generation.

                    Getting out and wooing a gal, and fucking her raw, is an achievement, no? Tugging it to porn is not an achievement, because the porn is right there for you at all times. You're not going to feel satisfied taking home that 2/10 that is grateful for any attention at all if you're a built and chiseled man who has put effort into his body and his life.

                    When you' re constantly Jerking off to porn in unhealthy amounts, a cog inherent to your very nature starts turning-You become more passive.

                    Biologically, in your head, with so many dopamine releases for doing nothing, your brain is recognizing your situation as "I'm getting pussy all the time, so there's no need to change anything". The dopamine levels in your brain are spent, and you feel satisfied not achieving anything, because you already got that dopamine rush that you could have gotten from going out and lifting a new record weight, picking up girl at the gym, or completing a project for work. You don't get the dopamine rush you usually would from achieving these sorts of things, the things that make us successful-so therefore it's harder to motivate yourself to do them.

                    That drive pushes you forward, to achieve more in order to get pussy. Not Jerking off like a drug addict is great, but not Jerking off at all I'd probably much better. You'd be driven forward at an increased pace to achieve more as man.

                    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                    This is an awesome, short summary on why porn is bad. Thanks a lot, man.

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                      [–]Attentive1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                      Choosechaos, the reason these guys aren't getting you is because their objective for them is still trying to get pussy. The OP's message is not a universal.

                      Some guys already get the pussy they want and use porn as a sedative to lower their high libido and prevent problems of infidelity.

                      Some guys would rather not engage with women so they this passive-aggressive route.

                      The fact is that you get actual physical/emotional relief by taking care of yourself this way. This posting is just moralizing over an animalistic urge. If he were using religion for his rationalizations, instead of The Red Pill, he would be telling you that you make Jesus cry every time you pull on it and you murder millions of homunculi.

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                        [–]domitius420 12 points13 points  (21 children)

                        That's a real shit response to a good question, oh wise sensei.

                        [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                        There's a difference between knowing the path, and walking it.

                        Give it three weeks. If you don't even have the self control to last 3 weeks, you got bigger problems than porn.

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                          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                          im not asking you to buy anything, just change your habits for a few weeks, its so simple

                          THIS. Jesus fucking christ it's like all these porn supporters seem to think that their dick is going to explode or some shit if they try not jerking off. I don't see a single reason that there is to watch porn and jerk off to it other than getting a quick high - but of course all of these people would rather sit back and demand long proofs and theories, and shame people for being biblical(??) rather than keep their hands off their own cocks for a few weeks.

                          [–]vox_veritas 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                          Moral relativism applied to porn. Incredible.

                          [–]qwerty_asd 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                          What I dislike about these anti-porn posts is how the author projects their specific complex onto the reader.

                          "Porn is the fast food of sexual experience" is an idea I can agree with, but I definitely don't have the same relationship with porn as the author. I had sex before ever seeing more than a 2 second clip of porn, so the role porn has in my sex life is minimal. From time to time I'll just watch a video or two of relatively normal amateur stuff and I don't feel cuckolded by the porn.

                          This post seems almost exclusively aimed at porn addicts, so perhaps I'm just not the target audience.

                          Another very interesting thing pointed out is the increase in searches for "cuck". I just checked and they are are literally up tenfold since 2004.

                          [–]Squeezymypenisy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                          This post seems almost exclusively aimed at porn addicts

                          It appears to be a nation wide problem. It doesn't help that the average female looks much worse than the average porn star. I think it is really affecting younger guys in their teens especially those that have erection issues. Its like drinking alcohol to early in life. Porn to early causes issues later on. I didn't see a straight porn video till my twenties because the thought of seeing another dudes dick on purpose disgusted me.

                          [–]Squeezymypenisy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          I wouldn't use the Ted Bundy video. He was your garden variety crazy. He just acted on his fantasies. Anything Bundy did was so Bundy could get attention because life was all about Bundy. Not to mention the only guys who use that video are people that believe some powerful being is leading them to a good life from a book of stories. Otherwise I agree with the rest of your comment. A better example is the Time article on porn that had guys with actual issues such as erectile dysfunction which could not be overcome unless they watched porn while having sex.

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                            [–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                            Don't judge the actions of other men without qualifiers.

                            So said the hamster as the wheel spun faster.

                            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                            IMO Porn is a medium that is entirely sensationalist, and appeals to some of the deepest and darkest desires in our brains, which makes it a lot harder to stop than some of the other addictions.

                            More so, I read somewhere that porn is different to other 'addictions', as the brain is not entirely aware that it's actually an input. When you drink alcohol, or take drugs, the entire body is physically aware that a substance has been ingested - so it's easy to equate that high or feeling with the substance. But porn 'slips under the radar' to an extent, as the primal brain seems to think that it's actually happening to you. It's unable to work out what the input is, because it's really just sights and sounds that you'd get if you were actually there. Just my theory on why addiction to porn is so much harder to stop than addiction to smoking, drugs, alcohol etc.

                            A lot of people on this sub grew up with internet porn, and it seems to effect the growing male mind a lot more than the magazines and similar that they had before. In general it seems that older guys are less affected by porn because they spent their developing years without it/only looking at pictures. But because a good amount of TRP is made up of younger guys, there's a lot of dissent that's coming from them, as they refuse to believe that they're addicted/something might be wrong with them. The voice that you described in your head, your conscience, tells you every time that it's wrong, but people have ignored it for so long that it's easier to continue to ignore it than break the bad habit.

                            Honestly, if you haven't gone a month without watching porn since you first started watching it, I do not, hell, I cannot believe you have a firm grasp of how much porn affects and limits you mentally and physically.

                            I notice, looking at this thread a few hours later, that the comment section is pretty much a warzone. Your comment here can pretty much be said about half the comments here that come from a similar position:

                            So said the hamster as the wheel spun faster.

                            I also see that the post has been removed. Is there an actual reason for this or simply people who disagreed reporting it? Seems like TRP is still unwilling to unplug from this matrix.

                            [–]jaggedlittleredpill 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                            I've jacked off to porn at night while my girl was asleep in the next room. Reason? I didn't feel like disturbing her sleep.

                            I've also used porn when my girl was on her period.

                            I've watched porn with plates and discussed new techniques and things to try.

                            These are legitimate qualifiers.

                            [–]punkrock_101 79 points80 points  (71 children)

                            TRP at its core is about getting back to the natural state of masculinity . There is nothing natural about porn.

                            [–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

                            Just like our metabolism is not suited to digesting 6000 dirty calories a day--our brains are not wired for what porn does to them.

                            [–]LuvBeer 51 points52 points  (24 children)

                            OK, but there's nothing natural about flying or air conditioning either, while being murdered or dying in adolescence is common in nature. Paid up member of nofap but so much of modern life is an abstraction, part of being a successful man is using intellect to succeed where others fail, sometimes you have to do what isn't natural.

                            [–]just_telling_the_tru 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_competition

                            Males had adapted to get turned on by another male mating, so that they could attempt to also mate with the female and instead impregnate that female themselves.

                            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            Becareful with the naturalist arguements because thats the kind of thought that kept the dark ages dark.

                            [–]vox_veritas 4 points5 points  (10 children)

                            What do you mean by "natural"? Pornograohy has been found painted in the walls of caves and other similar places that ancient people lived. It isn't like porn is a recent phenomenon.

                            [–]punkrock_101 13 points14 points  (8 children)

                            I'm saying watching instantly accessible HD videos of 10/10 girls having sex whilst sat on your own isn't natural.

                            I just hope you aren't using the cave drawing example as a way to justify internet porn usage as being "normal".

                            [–]bottlecap123 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                            There is so much wrong with this statement, this is basically nofap. For any man to raise his sexual value he must have a decline. He has to master skills that will take time and what must he do during this time. Porn, games, and to an extent food can play a part in lowering stress. Why should you guilt men into not having some enjoyment or release. I no longer play games but every time i wrote exams i took out my console and played games. This distracted me from thinking and obsessing over my performance. I understand warning people about taking things to extreme but this is shit. There are lots of unnatural things in life, what matters is what harm is caused to whom. I don't think this obsession with furies is natural but whom are they hurting. People who are outcasts and probably would be alone for the rest of their lives, are creating small communities, socialising, dating and coming together on the basis of what they love. That is beutifull. Natural-unnatural, this no longer tells the whole story, in short why do you give a damm. Argue why it hurts us in the long run, not whether it's natural or not.

                            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            The problem is, many people realize too late that it was hurting them. An addiction is really tricky, because at the beginning you are completely sure you can handle it.

                            [–]Freiling 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            A good point. But modern porn is often a Supernormal Stimulus that can deaden response to the real thing.

                            [–]DodgedAFew 6 points7 points  (21 children)

                            There is nothing natural about lifting for weight gain either. Given the background of our species.

                            [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 43 points44 points  (12 children)

                            Splitting hairs a bit, back when we were more "natural", your average daily life had a much lager physical component to it. You'd be ripped from your daily activities rather than from the gym.

                            Sitting in an office chair all day is what's unnatural. Moving heavy things around at the gym is our synthetic substitute for the fact that most men don't harvest crops, chop down trees, run between towns, build shit from heavy-ass raw materials, and work with their hands on a daily basis.

                            [–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                            Go in the wild and observe animals that need to hunt to survive. How many of them are fat?

                            Comparing lifting to porn is similar to comparing it to someone who gets plastic surgery because you're both modifying your bodies. It's a flippant juxtaposition that only reveals the inherent lack of reasoning of whoever made it.

                            [–]slay_it_forward 8 points9 points  (9 children)

                            His point still stands. Lifting really heavy for weight gain isn't natural and puts an unnecessary strain on our organs. I've talked to a couple neurosurgeons after herniating a disc that say you shouldnt ever lift heavy. It's an extreme view but these guys are forced to fix the damage heavy lifting does day in and day out.

                            What is "natural" or what humans have done for most of human history is a lot of walking, body weight exercises, and high rep low weight training (using tools, building / carrying things).

                            In no point in human history was a 500 lb deadlift normal.

                            [–]ChadThundercockII 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                            How are you supposed to get that 600 lb moose to the village? Call a loading truck?

                            [–]pjvex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            Ugh... I know from first-hand knowledge that, if continued long term without exercise, without a doubt sitting = death. It has nothing to do with getting fat...or even looking out of shape.

                            I wish this was ingrained into kids early on. I think fearing sitting for too long is better than fearing the largely manufactured demons attributed to drug use.

                            [–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            Nor is it natural to sit at a desk and stare at a computer screen all day.

                            [–]obama_loves_nsa 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                            Hey man feel free to sit on your ass all day and become a fat lard instead of picking crops, hunting, climbing and fighting to stay alive like we did for a million years.

                            We just don't pick fields anymore genius.

                            [–]LilMeeky 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            Exactly. Men should be training in a pit, fighting against each other. Any other way isn't natural. #Year2016Problems

                            [–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                            Certainly not, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who speaks of how lifting ruined their life and they wish they'd never started.

                            [–]anon739164 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            Hunting and gathering, as well as farming in more recent times, was a full body workout. The unnatural thing is not getting exercise.

                            [–]ChadThundercockII 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            Yeah, like dragging a 400 pound deer or a 600 pound moose for 15 miles isn't the equivalent of two gym sessions.

                            [–]punkrock_101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            Substitute dumbells and barbells for logs and rocks then.

                            I understand the point you're trying to make but the differences between real human attraction and a screen is a lot greater than the above.

                            [–]idontwanttostart 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                            Eh. I don't care. I beat off to porn if I ain't feeling up to dealing with a girl.

                            [–]cynicalsimon 28 points29 points  (2 children)

                            wow, what a substantial amount of retardation in this thread

                            [–]Senior Contributordeepthrill 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                            So interestingly I have a strategy that's works quite well for me, and takes into account the pleasurable indulgence that masturbating gives.

                            It's quite simple:

                            A day after I have sex, I reward myself with masturbation.

                            What's nice about this method ensures that I only get sexual release by working hard on myself to have sex.

                            It incentivizes me to approach.

                            And it allows for the enjoyment of masturbating as a Pavlovian reward system, conditioning myself to stay disciplined and motivated.

                            [–]sd4c 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                            This is a solid, solid divergence from the typical "A" or "B" mindset most people have on the topic of sex. Bravo, good man

                            [–]Senior Contributordeepthrill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            You should think about the underlying principle here, which is self-conditioning and how you can apply that to other aspects of your life.

                            An example is indulging in shitty delicious takeout food only and always after lifting.

                            Link dopamine activities with things you want to accomplish.

                            I'll let you brainstorm other ways to apply this.

                            [–]drak_panther 23 points24 points  (2 children)

                            If porn were so great, you wouldn't get that sinking feeling of regret and mild disgust that you do after every one of your little sessions.

                            Sorry no. I didn't grow up sexually repressed in the bible belt. Every once and awhile I get horny and beat it. No shame and no regret. If someone is addicted to the stuff thats another story.

                            [–]ForgottenFart 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            Exactly, When I was religious a good 10 years ago(14) I would feel regret because god blah blah. Now I use my fleshlight from time to time because honestly, it feels better than sex WITH a condom. And I get 0 shame or regret, just a great leg trembling orgasm.

                            edit: I don't watch porn when I use my fleshlight just imagine fucking a woman so idk how that fits in.

                            [–]Regularguygamebrah 12 points13 points  (5 children)

                            While I do appreciate the post and your points, I don't see anything other than a claim. There is no construction to the criticism. If a person goes pornless yet is deep in monk mode and is hell bent on getting himself financially stable and porn is not to be watch, is he just suppose to jack it to the map of the world? the sound of passing traffic? Because masturbating as a mature male is a sign of health. (Pls no fappers, don't roast me on this one). So just to make it clear: porn is not ok but masturbation is ok? Or should vag only be used?

                            Again, I like the sentiment and I agree porn is a losing battle however I think a bit of construction would do the individuals outside of the anger phase well. Because to say cum should only be dropped inside of a puss sounds a bit bibely to me.

                            [–]chostax- 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                            Yeah it's easy to say that we should be motivated by women and should strive for that and not let other things distract us, but the reality is someone who is self improving often times has no time for women. I'm* in a relationship, so what I'm saying doesn't apply to me as I haven't watched porn for a long as I've been in his relationship. But if I weren't in one, there's no way in hell meeting women and putting in effort to get laid would be a top priority. I'm neck deep in school work at the most challenging business school in my country. Women are a distraction, and are a reward for the man who is already on the path to success. Therefore, when someone is pulling 12 hour study sessions, adding in a quick wank is much easier than having to waste precious time texting some hoe, or going to a bar. This situation isnt unique either, there are a lot of us either in the early stages of our careers or in school. Add in staying in shape and you have zero time for women.

                            But as soon as you finish, when you are approaching the pinnacle of who you want to be, you can start focusing on the rewards of being that person.

                            [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 26 points27 points  (8 children)

                            Ok, so you have a porn problem. You think everyone does. It's hamstering that I don't have a porn problem. Right. You have that pussy on a pedestal again. It rules your life, your choices are all in regards to getting your dick wet or busting a nut. Fuck, can't anyone do anything without it becoming a problem? Don't you get bored seeing tits and ass constantly? Familiarity doesn't breed contempt with you? Don't you have a life outside pixelated nipples and clits? Is pussy your only fucking passion and direction in life?

                            Un fucking plug. Get out in nature for a while, the forest, the desert, a corn field, a grassy fucking knoll. Get a hobby that isn't pussy.

                            In my 20s I too was all about getting laid again, I get it. I got most of my numbers between 17 and 30, swimming in a sea of pussy and doing stupid shit to get it. It was the focus of my life, like it is yours. I look back and realize just how much pussy cost me in terms of money and time, and realize it's a shitty investment. It's throwing money and time away.

                            Fucking right I will knock the bottom out of some chick if the opportunity arises, and I'll ride it as often and long as I want, then find something else to do. It's an addition to my life. Jesus titty fucking chrust, I don't need to jerk out ten times a day, or even every day. Even if I'm in a dry spell for whatever reason, I have better shit to do. It's a fucking chore cleaning the pipes, and yet it needs to be done occasionally.

                            You guys talk like porn is fucking crack or heroin. It's like water, it's there but why do you feel the need to be in it all the time? You have the problem, you don't have top project it on to everyone around you. If you're having a limp dick in your 20s, fuck, I can't even imagine that, every morning I wake with wood and I'm 47. Go get a fucking life. Hey off reddit and build something. Men build, stop whining like girls about your addiction to shit you can't have and get on with your life.

                            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

                            What's event the point of your story here? What's the problem of warning others that porn indeed can have negative effects on a man's life?

                            [–]8n0n 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                            What's event the point of your story here?

                            People that are obsessed with porn lack other activities, projects and/or goals in their lives.

                            /u/vengefully_yours is suggesting they explore other worthwhile activities; as there is no point otherwise of re-prioritizing your life if porn is the only priority you have in life.

                            Me, I've been cramming information about cars in addition of my other activities (hi venge, I would appreciate more links worth a click) - https://www.youtube.com/user/EngineeringExplained/playlists?shelf_id=2&sort=dd&view=50

                            [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                            Cool, I was unaware those videos are out there. I learned all that decades ago, so I don't go looking for it. I'm usually the guy with the answers, and correcting the misinformation and wives tales that are prevalent in the car world. I don't know it all, but if I need to know I rarely go to YouTube. That looks like a good resource.

                            [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

                            Guess I'm a loser then!

                            Everybody has a different definition of what 'alpha' is. For some, going down on a girl isn't 'alpha'. It's her job to please you, not the other way around. If you have to go down, you're trying to hard. For others, watching TV isn't alpha. Or playing board games. There are more productive things to be doing with your time.

                            But we all have things we like to do during our down time. I watch a little porn here and there. Not proud of it, but I'm not terribly ashamed by it either. I agree with some of the sentiments in this post. Don't get me wrong. But at the end of the day, I don't know a guy that doesn't watch it, so if it's not alpha, then there ain't no alphas on the planet with the exception of those who don't have access to porn.

                            The guys I know in my life who I would describe as 'alpha', don't fit the definitions I see on here half the time. But everybody sees it as something slightly different than everybody else.

                            Best example I can think of is the movie Shame. Michael Fassbender's character is a porn addict. His boss, who seems like he thinks he's an alpha finds porn on Fassbender's computer and doesn't seem to know the porn terms, suggesting he doesn't watch porn. But when they go out, it's Fassbender that gets the girls chasing after him. Alternately, his boss fucks Fassbender's sister... at work... boss is the alpha; at the bar, he's the beta.

                            Watch porn. Don't watch porn. Whatever. Do what works for you.

                            [–]sherlockeb 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                            You should stop saying something is a fact if you don't have evidence

                            [–]enkae7317 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            This post is pure gold. Don't even stress all the nay-sayers in this thread I think you're definitely on to something. I personally have seen the damaging effects of porn on my life and I can feel my life sap away every-time I jerk it.

                            [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (6 children)

                            Its the strongest form of instant gratification , which leads to destruction of your own motivation by giving you the achievement without the need to sacrifice just a little bit of your precious energy to reach it naturally .

                            [–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 19 points20 points  (5 children)

                            And if there is one definitive truth about the beta, it is his need for instant gratification and his rejection of anything that requires sustained effort.

                            [–]Chilezen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                            rejection of anything that requires sustained effort.

                            I don't follow, please elaborate?

                            [–]IIlllIllIIIllIl 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                            "You are special, so you don't need to work hard for anything. Your being special substitutes your basic human need to work hard for real results."

                            [–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            Feminised men eventually come to operate in much the same way that women do. What does your average entitled woman do when she wants something beyond her reach? She manipulates some poor sap into getting it from, with no real expenditure of effort on her part because manipulation is a woman's most potent weapon.

                            So that spills into his life, to the point where he has a hard time understanding that instant gratification is pure weakness.

                            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                            these men exercise their power of protest by clicking on that downvote button, making sure you know that they're displeased by you squirting the truth all over them.

                            Didn't spare any punches did you?

                            Porn is shit. Honestly, seems like a pacification tool that helps us get along better with females in the work environment. Without it, they end up looking like fresh meat.

                            [–]justmeherointhisclub 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                            in wolf of wall street dude said bust at least 2 nuts a day

                            [–]LilMeeky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            This is what I remember too.

                            [–]justmeherointhisclub 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            but I jerk off like 3-4 times a week and get laid on the reg but ima not jerk it for a week or two and see how it effects me. Never got too deep on this shit

                            [–]TheEagleAndTheSnake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            It's fun to try it for the first time. I was about 11 when I started fly fishing to porn, then lost my virginity and went on to have some sex, but I still had bashing the bishop to porn as my primary source of sexual stimulation. When I first tried nofap (was 19), I went three weeks without molesting the mole, and I literally saw sex EVERYWHERE. Subway goes to the tunnel? Public eruption. Miniskirts? Kraka-fuckin-toa. My visual input became the drill sergeant that shouts 'Get down on the ground! Now GET UP!' and this went on and on and on. I felt like a fucking sex starved gorilla. When I finally elected the president, when I shooted my load, I simultaneously felt my brain being blown out from the back of my head, one of the most intense feelings I ever experienced. This lead me to think that the death drive Freud wrote about is just sexual drive dressed up for a funeral.

                            [–]CrashXXL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            What about banging hookers?

                            [–]Auphor_Phaksache 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            I like how you said "controlled masterbation" like its a military drill.

                            "At 2300 hours we are doing a live simulation folks. It's only a drill but I don't wanna see any half-assing..."

                            [–]Axel_Black 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            I'll say this. I am very busy in life right now, and I currently don't have any plates, because of being incredibly busy, and I am starting to smell the success. My motivation, and the current urgency of some things are not allowing me the time necessary to game girls. I jack off to porn approximately every other day, and this doesn't kill my motivation to work. No, it gives me a clear head, and I'm able to go about my day without constantly thinking about fucking girls. It is a facilitator to getting work done FOR ME. Maybe some other people shouldn't do porn, because it makes them lazy, and not chase girls. It makes me not care about chasing girls, but I can stop whenever I want, and I've done it a dozen times before, and plated up. I think porn use CAN negatively affect a loser who sucks with girls, and already has low motovation, but can also be used as a tool by competent self-aware others. But fuck me right? I'm probably just hamstering, and a pussy bitch. I should put chasing women above all else all the time, because that's what my genes want.

                            [–]Jedi5241000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            Great post! Someone on the other porn thread said something along the lines of "I have no libido without porn so it can't be bad for me."

                            Imagine that... using porn so frequently that your libido becomes dependent on pixels on a computer screen. Sad!

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                            [–]aherne18 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                            Who knows what these goyim are capable of if they aren't properly pacified...

                            [–]mugatucrazypills 14 points15 points  (9 children)

                            About the same number who have the religious BP up their arse I'd say.

                            Weak faggots all around looking for something to suckle IMO. Get down on your knees for Jesus punks. Remember the center of the christ-myth is a shamed Cuckold named Joseph.

                            The science on pron isn't out, most of what there is leans positive. As OP points out healthwise, controlled masturbation is "A Good Thing". I've noticed The no-porners here are almost invariably tied to people who have escaped or grown up in heavy JesusPumping backgrounds, but are working through some sort of shame complex around their sexuality.

                            I suspect I'll never be "endorsed" here because of my opinions of this subject. But for me porn helped me depedestalize women and come to terms with the idea that they weren't all the Virgin Mary and that women LIKE fucking. I fuck better because of porn. I am more dominant because of porn.

                            Too many people have been talking about fight club and TRP has become topheavy with unreformed BP faggotry IMO.

                            Everything can be done to excess. If you're wearing down the mouse on pron sites or video games or fucking stamp collecting or magic the gathering rather than getting out there and living, well that's an obvious area for self improvement.

                            Off to the Gym ! Stay Thirsty !

                            [–]1naMlliPdeR 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                            I grew up in an atheist redpill household, and porn made me satiated. I wouldn't look for sex because porn was a great substitute. I gave up porn years ago mainly to force myself to go out and get laid more. After a while, my life is much better in the sense that I get more intimacy during the real sex I have that porn never gave me.

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                              [–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

                              suspect I'll never be "endorsed" here because of my opinions of this subject. But for me porn helped me depedestalize women and come to terms with the idea that they weren't all the Virgin Mary and that women LIKE fucking. I fuck better because of porn. I am more dominant because of porn.

                              If anyone goes into fits and insults you because of your own personal anecdotes, then they are as bad as any BP idiot.

                              But again, just because you fought a beast and came away intact doesn't mean you should advocate for everyone else to risk their limbs for a small chance at the same outcome.

                              [–]DwightWolftail 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                              It all comes down to how you were raised and your own susceptibility to addictions . If it works for you , no one has the right to advice you against it .

                              [–]pjvex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                              Or My Little Pony. I wonder if there are any closet My Little Pony Fans in this sub...

                              That makes me laugh.

                              [–]RedDeadlift 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                              Excellent post. I have talked to a number of guys in their 20s and 30s, in all walks of life, who are starting to understand the detrimental effects porn has on them. Especially since around 2008, when high speed Internet became prevalent and all the "tube" sites popped up. Steaming dozens of videos amplified the problem 10 fold.

                              Don't think you're addicted? Challenge yourself to go 1 month without porn and limit masturbating to 0 to 2 times a week. See if there is a difference in your anxiety levels and general happiness.

                              [–]Profdiddy 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                              I think this is generally good advice. However, a little stress relief is good for the mind and body. Also, the appeal to biology is a stretch. Animals masturbate, otters rape animals, bears blow each other..who is to say what our biological program has selected for the most adaptive traits. Can jerkin the gherkin be a bad habit? Sure. However, sexually repressing yourself to the point of psychopathy is just as bad. I agree with Benjamin Franklin said,"Everything in moderation." Now I am off to wank it on my plate's face.

                              [–]ChadThundercockII 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                              However, a little stress relief is good for the mind and body.

                              OP was shitting on Porn, not Masturbation. Masturbation=good. Porn=bad

                              [–]Kal-Elder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                              You obviously havent read think and grow rich by Napoleon Hill

                              [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                              Porn is like alcohol and other drugs. It satiates your desires and makes you feel good. With its intake, man's problems are solved without him having to actually take any effort to think them out in a sober state.

                              Guy has social anxiety. Well just go out to the bar and have a few drinks you'll be a social butterfly.

                              Guy is depressed and lonely.. That's fine just smoke pot and watch some cartoons and you'll be laughing in no time.

                              Guy is stressed from work.. Kill that stress by going outside for a 5 minute cigarette break.

                              Guy can't get laid, or his GF doesn't want to fuck him. That's fine, open up porn hub and fap away.

                              In all of these situations a man can take the high road and actually solve these issues, but man often times will resort to temporary fixtures like these to satiate his mind.

                              This is why so many religions across the globe banned this stuff since ancient times. Drugs, alcohol, and overly perverted behavior degenerates society.

                              Also, it's been a while since I read it, but "Think And Grow Rich" has a section on investing your sexual energy into your passions and/or work life. So far that's worked out greatly for me.

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                                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                Work hard and follow your passions maybe you play on your high school's baseball team, maybe you skateboard, maybe you're a computer wiz, or enjoy the outdoors.

                                If you can't think of anything to do, just go exercise at the gym.

                                [–]SmilingWatermelon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                This is a truth. Deal with it. I read the comments here of people justifying watching porn occasionally.

                                Honestly, you can do what you want. Just don't lie to yourself and say its not pathetic. Youre not banging a real girl, you're literally watching a dude bang a girl. Imagine doing that in real life. That is cuckold shit.

                                If there was two people fucking directly infront of you, and you pulled down your pants and started beating your meat; do you honestly think that's not a sad way to live?

                                Have some self respect and control your urges. Get real women. Stop watching dudes fuck girls. I can honestly say with this no fap thing and libido spike I never shy away from approaching girls anymore.

                                Men were not born to be shy, get back to your roots. See how you are in a natural state. You will be surprised at what you can accomplish.

                                [–]herewegoaga1n 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                                Porn has been around since the dawn of mankind. We are literally living in the Golden Age of Porn...free of want, necessity, or urgency. The meat-grinder nature of the business is lamentable, but the drive is nigh unstoppable. OP is just being a spoiled brat standing jerking off on the shoulders of giants. The female form inspires art, music, TRP, gonewild, advertising, marketing, feminism, and a metric fuck-ton of other shit.

                                Knowing history frees you from it. We grow, we change.

                                [–]AzzyMcGee 4 points5 points  (6 children)

                                If porn were so great, you wouldn't get that sinking feeling of regret and mild disgust that you do after every one of your little sessions.

                                You've got issues dude. Like, mental ones. I'm not being mean. Having shame about pleasure is a mental illness. Let me guess, you were raised in an Abrahamic religion.

                                Seriously, get your shit sorted out dude. You're justifying all this shame bullshit with MORE BULLSHIT. AND YOU'RE SO FULL OF FUCKING shit that you can't even see it.

                                I have never once felt shame about what porn I watch, or how I masturbate. That's all you dude.

                                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Big fan of Tony Robbins. One of the things I'm committing to is not engaging in activities that artificially change my state in the short-term. That means drugs, alcohol, and masturbation - anything that I can get short-term gratification from.

                                It's been really interesting thinking about exactly why I do things.

                                What am I using porn for?

                                To make me feel a certain way?

                                Why do I need to feel that way?

                                Can I make myself feel even better doing something else?

                                [–]blackierobinsun2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                The only reason I watch porn is because btches keep rejecting me

                                [–]Mpcfiend 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                I really appreciate this post, im a firm believer of brutal reality to set someone straight. Something about this just clicked in me to try and better myself. Thanks to all of you for helping me. This makes me realize how without the internet I wouldve gone down a fucked up road in my life and never wouldve came out and now I have that chance to become someone better, shit brings tears to my eyes b. Thanks

                                [–]ThisManHasNoDick111 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                NoFap helped make me a better man. It's a harsh realization knowing your addicted to pixelated sex. Porn warps your reality.

                                [–]Dookiestain_LaFlair 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                                I think these industries should work together, and produce porn with fast food in it. Why wouldn't want to see Ava Adams squirt an Oreo McFlurry out of her asshole? Or watch Sohpie Dee pipe a quart of BBQ sauce up her cornhole and dip Chicken McNuggets in it?

                                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Why was this post removed? It was really good.

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                                [–]primatepicasso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Nofap directed me to trp. The best analogy I got from them is you don't go to a restaurant to watch people eat, you get yourself the food and you eat

                                [–]nikkij25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                Soooo what about girls who masturbate to porn?

                                [–]NaughtyFred 3 points4 points  (3 children)

                                Most guys on this sub still think a woman squirting isn't pissing herself despite ultrasounds and chemical testing proving otherwise

                                So I'm not inclined to listen to the "truth" being dished out here.

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                                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                  I laughed on the inside but I must maintain frame and downvote out of principle.

                                  [–]anonpls 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                  OP, were you also very concerned with being perceived as "cool" during your high-school years?

                                  [–]LuvBeer 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                                  Further proof of this is the lame conversations that almost all POV porn producers have with the talent. If it weren't for paid whores, they would have approximately 0% chance of getting pussy in the wild.

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                                      [–]look4wolfpack 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                                      Read, understood, agreed. What about the fat loser who is only just beginning to take the pill? Are you advising he quit porn cold turkey and only ever masturbate to mental fantasies? It seems as though you're encouraging the reinvestment of energy away from porn, which is wasteful and draining your masculine incentive for self growth into a tissue, into an all-pussy diet. If you can't afford or procure pussy, then you don't eat, and thus remain hungry. Is that pretty much it? But again I must ask about the person who is only just now swallowing the pill and therefore will starve for a long time before they're prepared to succeed on the hunt. Won't that discourage them, or will it fill them with urgency that lasts as long as necessary?

                                      I'd do my best to relate it to fitness, since that is a common goal most of us share. A newbie lifter won't see results for several months, even if he's giving 100% of his effort with discipline. If he shows up to a bodybuilding contest on day 3, his confidence might be shattered worse than it already is. Likewise, if he gets rid of all the junk food and goes on a strict diet from day 1 instead of incrementally progressing, he may be more likely to falter.

                                      [–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                      Cold turkey doesn't work for the average individual. The willpower needed to stay away from something that's likely ingrained in your psyche isn't built up overnight.

                                      Like I said, there are times when you absolutely do need to rub one out. But when you do, don't go for porn. It creates a harmful feedback loop.

                                      Wean yourself off gradually. Commit to retaking control of your sexual drive and motivators.

                                      [–]look4wolfpack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                      So you have to look at it like a drug and make it as least pleasurable as possible. Like taking medication instead of getting high. It serves purely as a necessary function, but should not in any way be seen as a source of joy since it obviously isn't adequate to maintain happiness or self-esteem.

                                      [–]synpse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                                      Yup. Porn is meant to suck up all the $$ from the losers. And get the average-enough looking girls to lick dick, or take it from behind.

                                      Capitalism preys on the weak. Their vices. Their desires, wants, fantasies that would NEVER happen without MONEY.

                                      Put in the long hours courting a girl, listening to her vent, etc. Or open a Ctrl+Shift+N and 5 minutes later toss that soggy tissue in the trash can? Instant Gratification. Mental images of how great you were. FUCKING LIES.

                                      Try that ass slap, hair pull, stick it in her ass stuff you see in the movies on this "girlfriend" you somehow met.. and she'll punch you in the face. Same with that facial you've imagined covering her begging tongue with.

                                      Meanwhile, Western Women have a HUGE issue with their body image. Society has valued their looks above their mind. So, we've got all these depressed mopey girls that are actually beautiful people thinking they're self-worth is compared to taking a huge black cock.

                                      I'm not buying into this whole Capitalism thing so much. It's just selling addictions, and causing the mental problems, so that "normal" people can make bank as doctors (both mental and plastic surgeon kind). And men can buy "The Girlfriend Experience" with their 7 digit paycheck.

                                      Yet.. What is love? Baby don't hurt me.. no whore.

                                      [–]vagbutters 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                                      You see the number of downvotes this thread has?

                                      It's because it spells out a hard truth about the loser hamster mentality that porn addicts have. If you're one such person, instead of crying about it and being offended, how about you man up and ditch your shitty addiction. Work on fucking women instead.

                                      [–]manslutalt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                                      It's because it presents subjective opinion as universal truth. I don't feel sad or guilty after masturbating. I have used it as a crutch, true, but the alternative wouldn't be any better. I have chosen a slow, deliberate approach to self-improvement. I don't need sexual frustration messing with my head. My sense of urgency is already strong enough.

                                      [–]Tyler_Gatsby 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                      While I'm an advocate of masturbation as a tool, to either help keep the hulk from taking over, and smashing something you shouldn't, or "cleaning the pipes" to last longer in the sack- I don't watch porno. I know I'm in the minority, most men don't believe me. I like pics of women, but nothing with a dude in it. I've always felt like I was just watching some other guy get laid through like a window or something. Its like watching food tv hungry. It just makes you realize you need to go grocery shopping. I've also always thought watching a bj vid is at least borderline gay- its just a zoomed in cock, and a chicks head. You can see pretty chick faces doing sexy things with their mouths on commercials, and don't have to look at other dude's dick. I'm weird, I know, but at least agree with you.

                                      [–]aherne18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                      Now to be honest there may be a reason for the porn epidemic other than lack of self-control. One of the most important reasons is a modern woman's right to fuck around and reserve her prime times for alpha fucks.

                                      What can unattractive men do then? Choose the path of least resistance (porn) or fight a war that can only achieve temporary results AT BEST!

                                      Of course, option #2 is the most honorable: it makes you a man that braves the world (and the satisfaction of overcoming your limitations is enormous), but when you see how easy it is for the better looking to achieve results with 1% of the effort you put just to get something other than indifference...

                                      [–]Lukasstylezz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                      I never watched porn because I liked it, I sometimes see porn ads on sites like Mediafire but I'm not disturbed by them. The only thing that's in my head at that moment is: 'Why do people like this shit?'.

                                      [–]KartagoPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                      Why husband jack off to porn and don't have sex with wives? Because she's making him sexually frustrated to destroy relationship.

                                      [–]1Sir_Distic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                                      Sometimes you come across something in TRP that hits close to home. Sometimes it's so close it stings a little bit. And your immediate knee-jerk reaction is "Nuh uh! Not me! Shut your face!"

                                      Other times a post like this comes along and it hits so close to home that it stings but you take a breath and say "Yup. That's me. Damn"

                                      I agree that porn is lazy, weak and disgusting to a strong man. It's not a tool of feminists as others have argued in other posts. Considering most porn is made by men for men. But it, like any successful product, is designed to keep you coming back for more. And the 10-30 minutes spent jerking and watching is time you could be improving. Or even just relaxing. But anything is better than spending that time fantasizing about a fake chick on a screen.

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