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Red Pill TheoryWife Launches Sex-Embargo after Husband Votes for Trump (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior Endorsed ContributorBlacklabellogics

I came across this thread on Reddit a few days ago, and felt that it warranted further comment from a Gendernomics perspective. To give the short version, the wife was a major Hillary Clinton supporter, and her husband voted Trump, as a result she decided to deny him sex for 30 days. The responses in the thread vary, from those who advocate that the husband should communicate how it feels to his wife, to those who think it is perfectly warranted considering the false media narrative surrounding Trump's treatment of women.

The first piece of advice that stood out as an illustration of the feminine primary perspective is this : *Generally speaking, sex as a weapon is not cool. And it only works because of the false pretense that it's purely a service for the guy and that women don't like sex just as much if not more then men.

But on a side note, voting for Trump but then not understanding why a woman is withholding access to her body to express disapproval? The irony is palpable.*

This is an amazing example of female logic, in that sentence one outlines that it is not OK to use sex as a weapon, but the last sentence expresses complete understanding for why this was done. It is either OK to withhold sex, or it is not. The next comment gives some context to the manner, outlining how to more effectively utilize sex as a weapon to promote compliance:

*"This is actually a pretty common tactic that's been used before, known as a sex strike, though if your wife wanted it to be effective, she should've denied the sex before the election to prompt you to not vote Trump. In countries where it's used it's done as a form of nonviolent protest to prompt some action from the husband. In this situation though, she's using it as a punishment since there's not much else that can be done at this point."*

Regardless of if it is used as a weapon, the reasoning behind it is manipulation. In the case of a sex strike, it is used to force behavioral change through operant conditioning. In the case of a "sex strike", the reasoning is "If you do X, you get punished with Y" or "If you do not do X, you get rewarded with Y". In the latter case, it is a case of positive reinforcement, where the husband is punished after he voted. The former is in some ways less malicious than the latter, as the former presents an explicit demand, the latter creates an intermittent reinforcement situation, wherein the husband may frame all his actions going forward based on "if I do this, will she deny me sex?".

In both cases, its a manipulative tactic engaged in to force behavioral change in the other party. By presenting either a punishment or a threat, the party is seeking to establish dominance on some level over the other party in the relationship. Another commenter states:

*"I think you should wait until well after the 30 day period before you think about bringing up sex again. She doesn't owe you sex, you know. In fact, don't bring it up at all. Instead, spend the time honestly trying to understand her point of view. Give her an opportunity to speak about why she felt so strongly about the election that she would even joke about a sex embargo, and show her respect by listening, thinking, and putting yourself in her shoes. You may not see where she's coming from immediately, and that's fine. Relationships are never easy."*

This is a very clear example of the feminine imperative in the form of solipsism, it is fine for him to be denied sex as a punishment, and furthermore, he should spend that time without sex in a time-out thinking about the horrible thing he did. Rather than framing this as a case of the wife punishing the husband, it is being framed as the man not communicating with his wife and putting himself in her position. Rather than thinking about himself, he needs to focus on her, because it is all about her. Perhaps a point to bring up is that if one party can suspend part of the agreement made when entering into the relationship, so can the other.

Another poster in the thread continues:

*"Maybe you don't want to hear this, but she might feel cheated. Maybe you shouldn't call her out on reddit for using sex as a weapon or controlling you before you understand why she did it. I'd like to believe your wife isn't some evil psychopath, but is very very upset with you and she might just not want to have sex with you. She probably feels betrayed. So she came up with a deadline so she wouldn't have to deny it every time you ask. You might not agree and I don't know the exact relationship you guys have, but I'd also like to believe she is not that upset that Hillary lost or that Trump won, but that you of all people took the side of a person she really really didn't like or agree with.

You can see how this presents a problem for married couples as they need to able to trust and depend on each other. So I'd suggest you confirm or refute my hypothesis by talking with your wife and then if proven true try to win her trust back."*

From a philosophical perspective, this would be an argument rooted in deontological ethics, meaning that the intent behind the action determines the morality, not the consequences of said action. This type of reasoning is a major reason why male victims of domestic violence do not speak up, namely the fact that every issue is cast as the male being the perpetrator. "She hit you with a frying pan?, What did you do?" The reasoning goes that the why of her denying sex is more important than the consequence of her doing so on their relationship. This is very typical of blame shifting, and this highlights gas lighting in a more common light. If you observe the reasoning in this post:

  1. Deny that the wife attacked him (Deny)
  2. Suggest that his actions were wicked (Attack)
  3. Cast the wife in the light of having a perfectly valid reason to deny him sex. (Reverse)
  4. Cast the wife as the victim (Victim)
  5. Cast the husband as the offender. (Offender)

Also known by the mnemonic "DARVO", which is well documented in abusive relationships, as the manner in which a person over time is trained into behaving in a certain manner. This is a form of gas lightning where over time, the victim's perception of reality is twisted into a perspective where they consider the other person's reaction and perception before their own.

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[–]drty_pr 227 points228 points  (79 children)

As someone who has been in a sexually unsatisfying relationship for nearly a decade, weaponizing sex is most certainly a form of abuse.

The way that society tells a man:

  • that he is wrong for wanting to fuck his wife
  • that he is wrong for thinking sex should be a part of the relationship
  • that he is wrong for eventually seeking it elsewhere when his hormones finally bring him back to reality

These three emotions are absolutely devastating on your mental well being as a man. Pre RP, I would actually cry about this shit. Since my discovery of the pill, I've come to terms with the logic (or lack there of) of women. It still sucks that she rarely fucks me, but at least knowing that as I improve myself, something will be done about it eventually, puts everything into perspective.

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    [–]drty_pr 28 points29 points  (5 children)

    I can't wait for the day I tell her I am too busy.

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      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      I use following communication: "You were not nice to me, so I am not in mood to fuck you - probably for a week or so"

      Works like magic.

      [–]drty_pr 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      This thread has givin me some solid jnsite. Never really been on TRP a whole lot. Always on the brother sub MRP. Thanks man.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

      Can you make a post about this please?

      [–]Swagzor9000 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      A lot has been written about this. Basically women are the gatekeepers to sex. Man are the gatekeepers to commitment. If you commit (marry), you lose your strongest weapon. If you refuse sex, she losses her strongest weapon. When you really think about what women has to offer to enrich your life that your (male) friends can't give, there is nothing much left besides sex. So sex is not only her strongest weapon against man, its (to most man) her ONLY weapon. That's why they freak out when you refuse. They won't have anything left to control you with.

      Search on TRP:

      • Randomly Refuse Her Sex.

      • Long-Term Relationship Game Theory: A Beginner's Guide to Managing Your Bitches

      • Why women hate sluts...

      • You can be the gatekeeper of both sex and commit... Or she can

      • Social media is the female equivalent of porn for males.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Thanks. Would like to hear about his personal experience as well.

      [–]Pepe_Prime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yup, my situation is different because I'm not married but I've used this tactic with plates before. There is one in particular who I would simply ignore if she texted me but I didn't feel like putting up with her to get laid. She would sometimes say she didn't feel like giving blowjobs etc so I decided it wasn't worth it if she's not enthusiastic.

      She then messaged me a week later asking to have a threesome with her girlfriend, and it actually happened.

      I still ignore her sometimes, and she gets more adventurous each time I actually let her come over.

      [–]Orbiter42 21 points22 points  (7 children)

      i completely identify with everything you just said.

      the poetic justice i recently received. after years of holding out, she's now, literately shriveling and drying up.

      [–]1RXRob 29 points30 points  (6 children)

      I fucked my ex once in the final year. And then she fought tooth and nail to keep the house.

      I gave her the house and got a nice bachelor pad where I learnt that balconies make girls wet.

      I've now upsized my bachelor house to include a home gym and she's post wall with £6,000 of debt in my old house.

      Stay strong friend, and consider all options when it comes to your happiness.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Thanks for the helpful reminder to never ever get married ever

      [–]1RXRob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I've never been married either.

      I gave her the "we're splitting up and need to start house hunting" speech which she refused to accept.

      So I had to give the "I'm splitting up and I'm house hunting" speech instead.

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        [–]purplecabbage 15 points16 points  (34 children)

        I'm with you bro, but more. I've come to the realization that the relationship is so damaged after this type of behavior that it's not salvageable. End it. It's very hard for me because of children, so hopefully you will have it easier.

        [–]drty_pr 23 points24 points  (33 children)

        I'm there too in terms of kids. Not sure if the relationship can be salvaged. Which will suck because I really want my kids to grow up in one house.

        Example: Last night we are watching hockey and dinner at a friends place. The subject of dying hair comes up. I'm watching the game more than listening to a couple chicks talk about hair. She leans over to me and says "how much do I dye my hair babe?". I say "too much". She says to the group "guess who's not getting laid tonight". I STFU and really give it no thought. Today though, that comment pisses me off. Especially since I got denied when we got home.

        This kind of behavior is toxic to the chemistry of a marriage. Society expects us to accept this as a woman being strong and powerful. In reality, she was just a disrespectful cunt.

        [–]purplecabbage 13 points14 points  (11 children)

        See, this shit would fly like a lead kite if you were not married w/ kids. Since the stakes are so high, she can get away with this and not feel any dread. I gave my wife some dread game and it really got her attention and "worked" (not in the long run). You might want to give it a go. The dread I gave her was telling her I wanted an open marriage because things suck and that I've already been on some no-sex dates already.

        [–]drty_pr 4 points5 points  (7 children)

        I'm employing dread game. Presently at DL6. Got a hot body, getting attention from chicks and making sure she knows it. Ready to start catch and releasing for some real abundance mentality.

        [–]RichKingOfBangmar 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        In your shoes, I'd want to play her line back on her after getting some abundance. "Guess who's not getting laid tonight" and watch her expression in front of everyone.

        [–]purplecabbage 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Sounds like your goal is to correct the situation. Good luck, I mean it, and getting the attention from others is great in so many ways. I, however, am trying to get my shit together enough to file for the big D.

        [–]ReddittFeist 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Hey @drty_pr, by DL6 I presume you mean Dread Level 6. I'd be interested to know your scale.

        Also, the way I would have handled the "guess who's not getting laid tonight" situation would be to:

        1 Look into her eyes, say nothing

        2 Get up and go to the door without saying a word

        3 Go out & drive home, not even a hint that you want her to come with you. If she comes with you, fine, if she doesn't, leave her there. If she causes a scene, say nothing and leave.

        4 When she texts & calls you demanding you go and get her. Tell her to make her own fucking way home. One of her friends or some white knight beta hubby of one of her friends will drive her, or she can get a taxi.

        This is field tested. Have done this for different kinds of bad behavior in front of other people, and it has knocked sense into the woman each time. One caveat: I'm not married and have no interntion of ever getting married. This has been with GFs.

        Her friends will call you a jerk, but we all know women love jerks. Especially ones with balls big enough to do this.

        [–]drty_pr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I'd have to load the kids up, so it'd lose some of the sting as I tried to grab their shit.

        I use the scale of the professor.

        [–]Oz70NYC 7 points8 points  (3 children)

        My ex wife tried some bullshit like that once...and it blew up in her face. She denied me for 2 weeks, so I bold faced told her "If I'm not getting it from you, I'll get it from another woman." Pissed her off to no end. But I didn't make it an idol threat, I followed through. I have plenty of old flames I kept in contact with when I was married. One of which is an HB8 I've known since Freshman year of college...who now even 3 years after my divorce I fuck when she's in town.

        Anyway, I tell her what's going on, and she agrees to be my patsy (She's RP as fuck this woman). So one day I'm heading out and my wife asks where I'm going, to which I say "such&such is in town today. I'm meeting her for lunch." That got the ex in panic mode, cuz she knows the history I have with this particular female friend. So in her worried, panicked state she asks me if the chance happened would I have sex with such&such. My answer? "Not getting any from you. So if she offers, I sure as fuck ain't turning her down." She caved instantly.

        Fucked her like a 5 dollar slut that night after she sobbed and apologized for being so selfish. As it was the tail end of my marriage when was in DILIGAF mode, I met my "old friend" the last day she was in town...and fucked her too. 4 months later from this, the divorce papers were filed. No kids or custody shit, just a clean split and some resentment of the 7 years I'd blue pilled my life away.

        NEVER again.

        [–]RedBomba 7 points8 points  (5 children)

        I've always wondered, how would responding with "I guess you're sleeping on the couch then." right in front of everyone go over? I'm not married and never plan to be, but I can't fathom allowing her to trash talk me in front of her friends with no punishment.

        I had a girlfriend say something similar once, showing off in front of her friends. I responded with "Who says you have a choice?". Some of them didn't like that response... but I got laid that night. Food for thought man, good luck with everything.

        [–]drty_pr 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        I will NEVER sleep on the couch.

        [–]RedBomba 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        No, I meant you tell HER to sleep on the couch if she says she won't have sex with you. Sorry I was unclear.

        [–]vagbutters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Better yet, tell her you'll be home a little late tonight.

        [–]other_worlds 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        You just laugh out loud. If you must say something, follow the laugh with "But you love it on the couch." and wink.

        [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        When my first ex tried to use sex as a weapon, I stopped initiating it. She was bipolar so nothing made anything better, but at least I could tell her to fuck off that way. When she wanted to spend time with me or go do something, I'd find other shit to do. I shut her off completely for a while, not because of the lack of sex, but because she always had to start a fight so she could lose it and feel like a victim.

        I turned her down all the time, didn't do anything she asked, and withheld everything. She's still crazy, but not my problem. After that no bitch ever was around after trying that shit

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        This type of shit is why I would never get married. It's pathetic that your wife is acting like sex is something she doesn't want with you, or uses it as a bargaining tool.

        [–]vagbutters 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Especially since I got denied when we got home.

        Grow a pair and employ dread. You sound way too attached to a woman who is treating you poorly. Get some young poon- if you're too fat or scrawny to do so, get in shape ASAP. The longer you wait to act, the worse your situation will get. You can cry and act depressed all you want, but that won't change the giant chip on your wife's shoulder. She knows she has the advantage on you and isn't afraid to use the "no sex for you" card. That's the biggest no-no for a marriage, by far.

        [–]Pastelitomaracucho[🍰] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

        I was there as well. Left her immediately for someone else. Now I am with someone ten years younger that is as happy as I am to have sex.

        [–]drty_pr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Fuck off with that shit. Lol

        [–]Troll_Name 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Don't forget the biggest stigma outside of full blown sexcrime: masturbation.

        Granted there are plenty of arguments against excessive masturbation (that's another topic entirely) but it takes a male out of the crawling-through-desert scenario of being hopelessly stuck on something that's far out of reach.

        The only thing worse than a virgin male who masturbates is a married male who masturbates. It ruins the leverage so it gives the leverage-obsessed people a chance to play victim.

        [–]drty_pr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        My wife hates that I quit masterbaiting. She thinks it's the reason I am trying to fuck her again all the time. Also that I work out and look good. Her hamster isn't chilling out too much lately.

        [–]Lsegundo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Reading through the comments of the original thread is like a crystal ball that shows you who the cat herders will be in 20 years LOL

        [–]Battle-Scars 519 points520 points  (90 children)

        I think he should go full embargo on her and calmly explain that he will be withholding his paycheck, mowing the lawn, running errands, and generally participating in the relationship in any way. Might be a good time to take that 2 week golf vacation he always wanted.

        [–]LateralThinkerer 157 points158 points  (7 children)

        None of that is necessary - all you have to do is walk away when she starts downloading 25 minutes of useless trivia about how shitty her days was. It's most fun when you preface that with "I'm sorry..I thought you were embargoing me." and go do something interesting.

        Remember: the opposite of love isn't hate, it's disinterest (no emotional payoff for her), and that's what terrifies her most.

        If she's simply there for the paycheck, or if she winds up banging her physiotherapist (or yoga instructor etc.) as other comments mention, you're better off without her anyway.

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 94 points95 points  (8 children)

        " That's 30 days without sex with you "

        [–]1RPAlternate42 53 points54 points  (1 child)

        Exactly try my first thought: sex embargo? Fine, I can import from somewhere else.

        [–]Oz70NYC 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        That's EXACTLY what I did with my ex wife towards the end. And she actually tried to use it in the divorce proceedings. "He was unfaithful to me for almost a month." "Because you decided you wanted to go on sex strike on me for not getting your way. So I outsourced."

        The judge (a female) had to hold back from laughing. Clean split in the divorce as we had no children (found out the hard way that she couldn't have any following 2 MCs, coupled with her father's passing a month after the 2nd MC is where I think she changed). Bottom line is if she decides to use sex against you...show her that what's between her legs is a dime a dozen.

        [–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

        "I'm having sex in our room at 6 pm tomorrow night, with or without you."

        [–]ReddittFeist 15 points16 points  (0 children)

        LOL yes. Great replies all.

        Another one: "Time to outsource the sex function"

        [–]Tre_Walker 26 points27 points  (1 child)

        Yes this. If the man was already foolish enough to get married withhold all his services as well.

        Marriage is a contract for sexual fidelity and sexual fulfillment which is a fools game for men. Women are the gatekeepers. Men are the gatekeepers for commitment. She has broken the contract. If she closes the gate he closes the gate.

        But....DON"T GET MARRIED and and DON'T COMMIT in the first place.

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorBlacklabellogics[S] 185 points186 points  (55 children)

        Full on dread game would be advisable, "OK, so for the 30 days when you are on a sex-strike, and another 30 days after you come off the strike, we are in an open marriage"

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 164 points165 points  (37 children)

        And give her a licence to bang her physio therapist she's been lusting after for months? No way. You don't negotiate with terrorists and you don't try to outwit them. Withholding sex is a grave fault that should be immediately punished by the standard withdrawal of your time, attention and money. Basically exactly what /u/Battle-Scars suggested.

        Edit: just read the end of your post on your blog. You describe very well that e proper response is an embargo of your own. Except that sexual exclusivity is not the primary bargain chip of men. It's your Resources, in the form of time, attention, money and emotional support. That's what you need to stop giving. Because as I mentioned, if you stop sexual exclusivity she can easily answer with stopping sexual exclusivity on her side too, which she would be more than happy to do, and possibly more efficient at it than you.

        [–]1bradyo2 77 points78 points  (8 children)

        If she's been lusting after her physio therapist instead of him, maybe he's better off without her anyway

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 45 points46 points  (4 children)

        If you're not the most sexually attractive man she can sleep with, then she will lust after a more alpha man than you. Your woman is hypergamous, like all women. Every man should try to be the most attractive possible, but thinking you will always be the best in her mind is a grave delusion about women's nature. Your condition for a relationship should not be her not lusting after someone else because that ain't going to happen often, but her satisfactory providing of frequent and exclusive sex and female nurturing.

        [–]1bradyo2 8 points9 points  (3 children)

        Ahh see this is why we have difference of opinion, I am the most sexually attractive man most women sleep with ;)

        I'm just playing, but jokes aside, I was coming at this from an ideal perspective. If you're not no.1 Alpha male in her eyes then you can never rest on your laurels.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 15 points16 points  (2 children)

        Ha! Yeah I understand you. I come from a realistic perspective: Even if you're no.1 alpha male in her eyes and you've made it clear you'll torpedo the relationship if she only flirt with another man, you can never rest on your laurels. 'cause women are women: strange dick is alluring, and feelz on the moment always prevail over realz. I'd say be her no. 1 alpha male in her eyes but always remember it's only your turn anyway and that your turn will come to pass eventually.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Exactly. Move along. Harsh but its what I would do.

        [–]rockymountainoysters 29 points30 points  (21 children)

        Withholding sex is a grave fault that should be immediately punished by the standard withdrawal of your time, attention and money.

        The bed should also be withdrawn.

        First time you find that unmarital wife trying to sleep in the marital bed, lift up the mattress to dump her off of it, and send her to the couch where cold wives sleep.

        [–]rubenbrasil 3 points4 points  (4 children)

        Lol, never heard of a physical therapist being the stud fuck. Is this a thing? I can see it, just didnt think it was a thing.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 5 points6 points  (3 children)

        Physio therapist, pool boy, yoga instructor, gym buddy, boss, whatever. I picked physical therapist 'cause I've heard or read about a couple stories in which the wife cheats with said therapist. Why? I'd say probably younger, somehow fit, possibly only person outside of the couple she gets to see in private, and more importantly automatic kino: probably the only man who has actually touched her in a while. Doesn't need more than that to get tingles starting for a housewife.

        [–]rubenbrasil 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Word. I am in school for physical therapy so thats why it stood out to me. Ive always thought PT's could get so much pussy because theyre like heroes to people who go to them. I always notice patients flirting with their PT when I used to shadow them. They do lots of touching and massages as well, so it makes sense.

        To be fair, its rarely in private though. It would be hard to ask out or advance on a PT without other people hearing it due to the environment of there being 5-10 PTS in one open room. Unless those crazy bitches try to "email or text them" a question.

        [–]work12thenlift 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I did a long interview with a physio and once you are in a private practise there is lots of one on one time if you begin to specialize. She had an intramuscular stim ticket and all her patients were one on one.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        All PTs I went to see for a consultation were always one-on-one in their private office.

        [–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (1 child)

        And to follow that up by spending evenings out on the town with his phone turned off.

        Bonsu points: He could ramp it up by immediately taking a shower when he gets home.

        [–]db1000c 15 points16 points  (0 children)

        To be honest, by the point that a wife is comfortable and confident in doing this sorta stuff it's a safe bet that the husband is nowhere near the kinda guy that will be able to execute a good dose of dread game, there is no coming back from it.

        [–]TheReformist94 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        He should fuck other women for 30days.that's the only suitable response.she is not upholding her end of the contract.

        If he wasn't being alpha (ie his end) shed fuck other men.

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorBlacklabellogics[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Your wife/girlfriend will stop working for it when your behavior signals to her that she can stop working for it.

        [–]darkrood 12 points13 points  (3 children)

        Divorce papers served, 50% asset evaporated.

        You do know divorce gives the one with less asset a winning hand, right?!!

        Dread game is a bluff that only works on weak player or bended rules

        [–]Newbosterone 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        You do know divorce gives the one with less asset a winning hand, right?!!

        You do know divorce gives the woman a winning hand, right?!! Fixed that. Even when the woman has the better job, more assets, etc, she enters the process with an advantage.

        [–]darkrood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I try to make it more universal before another guy from somewhere "uh nuh, in ma country...."

        [–]RichKingOfBangmar 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        "OK, so for the 30 days when you are on a sex-strike, and another 30 days after you come off the strike, we are in an open marriage"

        "In the meantime, I am in an open marriage. You are exclusive to me. This continues until I am more pleased by sex with you than sex with other women."

        [–]segagaga 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        "How to end up losing 50% of your assets in divorce quickly!"

        [–]RichKingOfBangmar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        A man can only blame himself for complicating his relationships with marriage.

        [–]aanarchist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        shit if i was in an ltr and she tried to pull that strike bullshit on me i'd be out hunting for a new woman the following week.

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          [–]RichKingOfBangmar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I'm not sure anything is going to be successful. She's at the sex denial stage. Has anyone ever successfully recovered from that?

          [–]yomo86 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Read: wife. He is in no position to withhold anything. Marriage is prison and your fellow inmates fuck you, the staff fucks you, and the head of the facility scolds you if you do not let others fuck you. It is a clusterfuck.

          [–]Trump_will_win_2016 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Not even. She should be attracted to him enough where withholding sex isn't even a thing.

          [–]mattizie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          What a coincidence, I have to go on an incredibly late notice 4 week trip to Thailand for work.

          See you when I get back, honey.

          [–]grewapair 9 points10 points  (2 children)

          Nah. Just hire a prostitute at home while she's there.

          That so-called relationship isn't worth saving.

          The best part is that she'll be paying for half of it.

          [–]1nonthaki 6 points7 points  (3 children)

          I sometimes imagine how this world would have changed and how women would have become silent and submissive, if all men ever thought of going full dark triad rapey Alpha cave-men competing style, with full war-on mode with all kingdoms or countries .

          [–]segagaga 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          You mean like most of history was? Cause it was never flowers and kittens /u/nonthaki .

          [–]ursuchafag 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Yeah, that was my thought - if my wife tried this, it would backfire on her, hard. I can be a lot meaner than she can.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 82 points83 points  (8 children)

          Wife plays games like this, husband needs to get a girlfriend. Fuck her and fuck those answers. Wife doesn't owe sex? I don't owe fidelity. Quid fucking pro quo whore.

          [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 52 points53 points  (3 children)

          She doesn't owe you sex, you know.

          I love this argument. SHE DOES. That's the fuckin reason to be in a monogamous relationship. You're responsible for your partner's sexual satisfaction, this is true for men and women.

          When you enter into a monogamous relationship every source of intimacy or sex, sources from your partner. But if they break the deal (even temporarily) you are fucked. You can't just go and sort out your needs with someone else. Withholding - aka not fulfilling your part of the deal - sex, openly and maliciously, should terminate the deal, which is being monogamous to someone.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          EXACTLY. Plus, no man or woman should be in a monogamous relationship with someone that they don't want to have sex with. If the woman feels she doesn't owe her man sex, then the man shouldn't owe her fidelity.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 86 points87 points  (2 children)

          Great post. Kind of stuff I like to read on TRP.

          One thing to mention though: the withholding of sex as a manipulation tactic implies that for this woman, sex in that relationship is not a genuine desire from her but a bargain chip... aka the husband is not sexually attractive. So it is very likely that the woman is also using this as yet another excuse not to have sex with her unattractive husband. "Not tonight darling, I've had a long day / I am tired / I have a headache / the stars are not aligned as they should / you voted trump".

          So while I agree with you that withholding sex is textbook female manipulation to obtain the desired behaviour from her partner, it's way more obviously the case when it's a threat (proactive, aka "if you do this, I will withhold sex") than when it's a punishment (retroactive, aka "since you did this, i am now withholding sex"), because it might be difficult to make the difference between a punishment and a convenient excuse not to give something she doesn't want to give in the first place.

          [–]logicalthinker1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          It could also be that she likes fucking but know her husband REALLY likes it. It's a spiteful approach. To hurt yourself just because it hurts someone more. It's petty and juvenile.

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorBlacklabellogics[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This is indicative of the male supplicating to her over time, and thus her attraction being eroded. A woman starting a sex embargo with a man she has a strong attraction for and genuinely desires, is akin to keying your own car.

          I touch on the concept of operant conditioning in another article on my blog that articulates the difference between "If you do this, I will withhold sex" and "You did this, I'm withholding sex"

          *"If one looks at the reddit thread I covered last week about the man being denied sex because he voted Trump, this is a classical example of negative reinforcement by removing the appetative stimulus (sex) following the man voting in a manner of which his wife did not approve, on a fixed schedule of punishment (30 days).

          Over time, such schedules create lasting change, as the person will consider their response in every situation that has previously been covered, but also in new situations, against the expected reinforcement or punishment.

          In a sense, the beta male is living in a constant situation where their response takes the form of active avoidance, also known as being "whipped". Men who have been exposed to punishments so frequently and erratically that they, much like the rat who got shocked on a random schedule, are cowering in the corner scared of doing anything."* from: http://wp.me/p78k8O-CS

          This is very effective when applied to a person who you are already dominating mentally, something which appears to be taking place within the relationship in the article.

          [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 69 points70 points  (2 children)

          And yet, if you divorced a woman for voting for Hillary ...

          [–]BluestBlackBalls 11 points12 points  (0 children)

          Perhaps one of our venerable gentlemen will create a novelty account and bare his heart about how his spirit has been torn apart as a result of his wife voting for Hillary.

          And is now being further tormented by having to decide between divorce and sharing a home with a woman that supports [insert vile acts Hillary has been accused of].

          [–]1nonthaki 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          HELL hath no fury . ...

          All HELL will break . ...

          The road to HELL is paved . ...

          This is for voting for HELLary .

          [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 32 points33 points  (9 children)

          Remember, you promised her first crack, not complete sexual surrender.

          The way to disarm this weapon is to have options

          [–]Venny_1 6 points7 points  (7 children)

          Can he have options though?

          I'm geniuenly curious. I'm not in a relationship at the moment, and far from being married, but I think that him being a husband would limit his options in that regard. I can see a boyfriend playing the options game, but a husband?

          [–]Luis_McLovin 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          The moment you stop playing the game you lose.

          [–]1RXRob 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Marriage isn't supposed to involve giving up your free will

          [–]logicalthinker1 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          All female friends (ok 95% of them) that you talk to regularly are either friends of your wife or friends with a buried sexual tension. The friendship part is just plausible deniability to hang out or see them.

          [–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Whats wrong with being able to pull?

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Always have two in the kitty.

          [–]Dookiestain_LaFlair 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Before you give up first crack, try her crack first.

          [–]JackGetsIt 23 points24 points  (0 children)

          A women who respects her husband and wants a healthy relationship wouldn't do that. Therefore this man needs to withdraw sex, resources, attention or all three from this women. Unfortunately in the western world with divorce laws that men have allowed to pass this women would walk with all the money and all the offspring and all the stuff when he does. Therefore he is stuck operating on dread and subtext and even then she is much better equipped at that game...

          So basically don't get married.

          [–]1favours_of_the_moon 20 points21 points  (0 children)

          He should put an embargo on his bank account.

          [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 53 points54 points  (1 child)

          Adorable. You do that sweetie. We'll see how long you hold out...

          Damn I love it when women pout & throw tantrums. No surrender tasted so sweet, so complete, and so helpless as the unconditional surrender of a pouting woman to her man, who holds perfect frame no matter what she throws his way.

          [–]KryptoniteFree 26 points27 points  (2 children)

          Sex strike = packing suit case Bye bye bitch

          [–]CrazedHyperion 37 points38 points  (1 child)

          Packing a bag and moving out is not red pill at all. Packing her bag and sending her to her daddy is.

          [–]darkrood 11 points12 points  (0 children)

          In the end, divorce 50% is the same

          [–]altxatu 12 points13 points  (0 children)

          Jesus what a mess. The first thing that strikes me is this is a very unhealthy relationship in terms of sex. And it may rest totally one the woman. Sex isn't a weapon and it suggests to me that she doesn't really like sex, is getting sexual gratification elsewhere (everything from emotional cheating, masterbation, to actual cheating, we don't know and it's pointless to speculate), doesn't value sex, or has been so satisfied as to forget what it's like not to be so it doesn't seem like a big deal. It will be though.

          I also see obvious problems in the relationship due to political differences. Matter of fact I'm watching it in a few different relationships in my own life. I don't have any solutions. One partner is deeply entrenched in their political position, as a result the other partner becomes entrenched feeling as though they are being attacked. It becomes this self feeding cycle. They need to step back and re-evaluate their life and relationship.

          My wife and i went through something similar, perhaps it can help someone here. She was pissed off, I wasn't. Now I didn't vote for trump, but I wasn't shy about my distaste for Clinton. She got pissed at me becuase she thought I voted for trump. I sat her down and we talked about it. I explained how disappointed I was in her childish behavior, and how i expect better from a grown woman. How that feeling of disgust was present in both of us for the other and if we didn't find a way to work through it it would end our relationship. I explained why i feel the way I do, and how that affects my vote. How it affects my personal politics. She did the same. Eventually it came the point where she needed to learn to empathize with the other side. I already know how people i disagree with came to those chooses otherwise I would have to come to that conclusion as well. It took a lot of talking and understanding but we made it so far. It's gonna be a long 4-8 years for a lot of couples. If they make it that far.

          It might be satisfying to enact some passive-aggressive revenge but talking it out is better if you want to save the relationship. If you don't care, break up and move on. Don't waste your time on petty games.

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          [–]Luis_McLovin 15 points16 points  (0 children)

          That's the thing, if he cheats she still wins.

          She gets to play the victim card, divorce him without guilt and win his money.

          [–]1Jax77789 11 points12 points  (3 children)

          Don't you think it is just a shit test ? Women could care less what you think as long as you stand strong and unshakable in your beliefs. I would double down with the Trump support, I would stick Trump signs everywhere and hire escorts to hold a Trump themed sex party right under her nose.

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Husband in a Trump mask, strippers in Hillary masks blowing him and dancing.

          [–]ReddittFeist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          LOL- Hire an escort and tell her to come to your place wearing a Trump thong (http://i3.cpcache.com/product/1728604454/trump_kicking_ass_not_kissing_it_classic_thong.jpg) a Make America Great Again hat and nothing else.

          [–]MikePatton-yakyakyak 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          could be a shit test but i doubt it. a wife withholding sex because politics indicates there's a deeper problem with their marriage.

          [–]Treasure_hand 11 points12 points  (0 children)

          Wife needs to be daddy dicked, she has no respect for him but that's probably because hes allowed her to steamroll him through the years.

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          [–]abbafishhead 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Just ignore her. It takes the power away from it.

          Yes, I'm surprised that other commenters talk about cheating, looking for other options, etc. That's basically inviting a divorce rape. Rationing attention AND sex AND money works like a charm; women need attention more than oxygen, and negative attention is preferable to no attention, because the former at least still shows investment. No attention leads her to thinking that you're completely over her already (dread game).

          In my previous LTR, whenever she acted up, I simply ignored her. Because I lived with her, it was very hard to ignore her, so I just went back to my parents' home for weeks. I left her alone in my apartment; I didn't even give a shit if she brought guys over, which she probably did. I ignored her calls, her texts, I didn't speak with her, and I definitely didn't have sex with her.

          Man, she quickly dropped whatever nonsense she was pulling. She also never ever denied sex in our LTR. In fact, I found myself doing the denying, which made me the gatekeeper of both commitment and sex.

          That's frame.

          [–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 26 points27 points  (2 children)

          Just divorce this future cat lady. What is so difficult?

          This is why I don't stick my dick in liberals.

          I'd rather fuck a jar of draino.

          [–]darkrood 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          You mean a chance for the liberal sisterhood to unite and take his 50%?!!

          I don't think guy has a prenup

          [–]vagbutters 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I stick my dick in liberals/feminists from time to time-- but I'm not going to throw my life away by marrying one.

          If you want a good mother to your kids and faithful wife, find a virgin woman from a conservative background. Finding a woman who fits any of the values of domesticity as described, who is a liberal, is like trying to find the needle in the haystack.

          [–]1SeemedGood 23 points24 points  (4 children)

          1. If your wife could stand a "sex strike" herself, there is something seriously wrong with your marriage.

          2. If your wife thinks that such an outright attempt to manipulate you could possibly work in her favor, there is something seriously wrong with your marriage.

          3. If your wife thinks so little of your need for sex and the difficulty of your excluding all other potential sex partners that she would withhold sex from you even if the two above conditions are met, there is something seriously wrong with your marriage that cannot be fixed.

          That guy needs to consult a lawyer and get rid of her ASAP.

          Edit: typo/grammar clarity

          [–]Trump_will_win_2016 12 points13 points  (1 child)

          EXACTLY. She should not be ABLE to withhold sex. I always hold the frame that in a relationship sex is enjoyable for both of us. If she is withholding sex, she is punishing herself!

          [–]1SeemedGood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          ...and women who are in a marriage in which they are at all attracted to their husbands know that.

          My wife's (literally) wicked stepmother once advised her daughter (my wife's half-sister) to withhold from her husband as a means of manipulating him and to use it as a regular tool in her toolbox.

          When my sister-in-law told my wife that she said: "First off, that's just sad and weird control-freakism that has no place in a marriage. And second, why would you want to punish yourself? I feel sorry for Dad."

          [–]BluestBlackBalls 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          There very well may be an implied "for you" in the embargo, that is, "No sex [for (/with) you] for 30 days"

          [–]1SeemedGood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Indeed. If a woman can go 30 days dry no sweat, something in Denmark doesn't smell too good.

          [–]Razgriz16 17 points18 points  (0 children)

          Just wanted to say, it's semantics but "sex strikes" arent positive reinforcement but rather negative punishment in terms of conditioning.

          [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          First off let's start with the antithetical position and work our way back. If she is really upset at her husband we shouldn't expect herself to rape herself and force herself to have sex.

          However I personally don't think that's what this situation is. This situation is in all Likelihood her getting sex revenge at because State Secret Salesman Hillary Clinton didn't get elected.

          At 30 women need men a lot more than men need women. Sounds like an excellent opportunity to fly to Thailand enroll in a Muy Thai academy maybe fuck a prostitute or two.

          I guess the moral of the story is dont negotiate with vagina Terrorists.

          [–]1The_BitterTruth 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          There's some serious down voting going on in the comments. Must be some serious butthurt out there when faced with logic.

          [–]1Entropy-7 17 points18 points  (2 children)

          I suppose "Agree to vote Trump to a second term in 2020, or I am on semi-monthly vacations to Thailand, where the bitches don't care about this shit, for the next four years" wouldn't fly.

          [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

          He was stupid enough to marry a woman who thinks she decides how he casts his vote, and is willing to "punish" him.

          Obviously divorce her immediately. She has no respect for him.

          [–]westhewolf 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Best response: You mean I don't have to fuck you for a month?

          If the woman doesn't already want sex moreso than the man, the man is clearly doing everything wrong. And, I mean everything.

          The man's time should be at a premium. Between work, friends, networking, hobbies, chores, and everything else we are responsible, time for sex in a LTR should be limited, and it should come at a premium for the woman.

          The man should also know what the fuck they are doing in bed, and should be in good shape. If the man does those two things, then it tilts the balance of sexual power in the man's favor. The woman should want it more (because it's that good).

          The only way a woman of mine could withhold sex and have any sort of power is if one of the following happened: I gave up on life and got fat and play video games exclusively, or the woman is actually a cold dead fish that has no libido.

          If the former happens, please shoot me. If the latter happens, I'm getting a new girlfriend.

          [–]bentylerlive 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Jizz on her face while she sleeps. Tell her you were sleep jacking, due to lack of sex.

          [–]1StuttBuffer 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          A wife withholding sex is directly analogous to a husband withholding income from his family. If you aren't willing to fulfill marital obligations, don't get married. And if you have a penis, don't get married either.

          [–]Unclehams 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          If my penis can not visit the women I love than my penis will find a new home at some point...

          [–]forbz5 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          She stops sex? You stop monogamy. Easy

          [–]doveenigma13 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I was stuck in a marriage like that. It was fucking torture. Every day walking on egg shells not to piss her off.

          [–]GodBlessMrTrump 12 points13 points  (6 children)

          As weird as it might sound, it's worth dating someone with similar political views. I told the girl I'm with now that I voted for Trump, and she could take a hike if she had a problem with it

          [–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (3 children)

          it's worth dating someone with similar political views.

          it's more important to date someone who respects your views and accepts you being your own person.

          [–]logicalthinker1 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          and that's really hard to find in adults. How many people do you know who truly have an open mind and will entertain opposing viewpoints honestly?

          [–]1whatsazipper 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Most women who are submissive and attracted to you will start mirroring your beliefs and interests anyway.

          [–]TermsOfColors 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          It doesn't sound weird at all. The opposite sounds weird.

          If you're going to hitch your wagon to someone, I highly recommend you have a similar background. Similar upbringing, culture, religious inclinations, family views, etc. Not that it guarantees anything but who needs this kind of hassle.

          [–]fattail 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          I can't believe I scrolled for two minutes and no one said he should "grab her by the pussy".

          Reddit I am disappointed.

          [–]MikePatton-yakyakyak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          the funny thing is that could probably work.

          [–]KazarakOfKar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Most women get wet as October if you go all caveman on them, kiss to the neck, hands in the right place, if your wife has attraction she is not gonna say no. If she still says no that says a lot more about the status of the relationship.

          [–]1PantsonFire1234 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          This is exactly type of cunt shit that gives women such a horrible rep. Boys grow up actually kind of liking women besides wanting to fuck them. But the more exposure they get the more they begin to catch onto their sick fuck games. Fully grown men simply don't have any fucks left to give.

          And women complain why men are such jerks. Not realizing they fucked with the lion one to many times. This domestic emotional abuse women put their husbands through aided by the (((gov))) is the worst example of this.

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          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorBlacklabellogics[S] 29 points30 points  (4 children)

          Women are more prone to social democratic progressivism because it removes all restraints on their behavior.

          Without a large state to take care of females, they have historically first been reliant upon their father, then on their husband. This remains so to this day, where statistics show that women are net costs to society across their lifetime. However, they no longer have to obey and serve their father or husband, they now extort the required resources from men through the state.

          [–]zookeepier 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          where statistics show that women are net costs to society across their lifetime

          Do you have a source for those statistics?

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorBlacklabellogics[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          From New Zealand, link to full report at the end of this essay: http://blacklabellogic.com/2016/12/01/the-social-breach-of-contract/

          [–]logicalthinker1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          especially now that so many take up spots in colleges...only to never use that education and just raise children. Of course there are exceptions but you're looking at hundreds of millions of people, you have to generalize.

          [–]nexus974 12 points13 points  (0 children)

          And some still wonder why MGTOW is a thing...

          [–]Mckallidon 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          I would hide all my assets and divorce the wench. Well, actually I would never marry a Libtard. That's why I'm still unmarried. Too many libtards are women.

          [–]KazarakOfKar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          If you don't hide your assets before even getting married its too late to do a whole lot. They key is to never co-mingle things like investments. Always send the statements to your office, always have at least 6 months worth of cash to cover cost of living in a proverbial shoebox somewhere.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Women using sex as a weapon should be considered abuse.

          [–]brutalembrace 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Good, go get a fuckin hooker to drain your balls and swallow your cum for $20 and see how your wife likes them apples!

          [–]MacNulty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          South Park really is on point this season.

          [–]atraw 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          She should divorce that guy.

          [–]Segfault72 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          She ain't the only one that has one of them..

          [–]Betterthanuatlife 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          He should respond with a 30 day whore-bone-binge. Going out everyday and raw-dogging younger and hotter women.

          [–]moelottosoprano 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          That's abuse.. Dude needs a new wife

          [–]Brewjo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Personally, my post-trump glow is still strong, so my attitude would be: "So what, I don't care."

          [–]KazarakOfKar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          "No problem, I am going out" start not coming home 3-4 days a week, problem solved. Anyone who thinks of using sex as a weapon is not worth your time or commitment.

          [–]demetrios3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I'm sure the decision to withhold sex was a result of many factors in their relationship,

          The husband voting for Trump is probably just culmination of a lot of factors that lead to her withholding sex. But without knowing both sides of the story whoare we to judge?

          All I know is that there are plenty of married couples who spilt their votes without it affecting their sex lives.

          [–]johnchapel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I fully support the woman doing this.

          It gives strict and direct permission for him to go out and get something he hasn't had in a long time: other pussy.

          [–]beginner_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It's simple. Weaponizing sex means it's over.

          She would not do it if she was attracted to you. Hence it means she is just looking for reasons to avoid having sex with you because she does not want to.

          [–]CrashXXL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          If she's such a pro-Hillary liberal, tell her that her pussy is your safe space.

          [–]Oz70NYC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Wanna withhold sex from me for doing something you don't approve of? Fine. I'll go find another pussy to stick my dick in. See how you like that premise, stupid.

          My ex-wife tried to pull this on me once the 7 years we were married, then actually DARED me to when I said I'd just go fuck another chick for a month while she was on strike. Even back then I had female orbiters who were just iching for a chance to have...or have again...what's long, brown and hangs between my thighs. (TMI...I know.) So the night I said I was going to visit an "old friend" is the night she caved, 2 weeks into her little strike, cuz I'm betting she knows what was gonna happen.

          For her punishment, I fucked her like a slut...and not only did she love every minute of it...she begged me to forgive her for being so selfish.

          Let that be a lesson, gents. If she's bold enough to ransome her cooch, show her that it has no value. But be warned...it could backfire if you don't commit to ruining her shit test. If you cave, she owns your ass.

          [–]Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Correction: "Soon to be Ex-Wife Launches Sex-Embargo after Husband Votes for Trump"

          [–]fcb98292 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Gents, when this happens to you, tell the girl you are on strike as well... to her. Your cock is getting what it wants from another woman, unless she turns around. Tell her this as her manager, not as her husband. Then give her a week. Do not bluff, but do not share any incriminating information, either. She will know when you carry out your threat. Then she will beg for forgiveness and never pull that shit test ever again.

          Worked for me.

          [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Ah, the old "she doesn't owe you sex" chestnut. Contrary to popular belief spouses do in fact owe each other sex. Guaranteed sexual access is one of the essential layers of the bedrock foundation of the marriage contract. It's the bargain for exclusively/commitment. Remove one and the other spouse is free to remove the other.

          [–]1KyfhoMyoba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          the husband should communicate how it feels to his wife

          And he should communicate it by banging a woman 10+ years younger than her in their bed (that he probably paid for) when she's due home from her stupid job.

          [–]Yashugan00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          • Women in LTR use sex for conditioning good behaviour.

          • Never take relationship advice from women.

          • Women arguments are contradictory in logic. It's a flux state so the message is congruent with whomever eventually wins the argument. Group think consensus is important to them.

          [–]fuck_da_haes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          How you call two people living together not having sex? Flatmates. Just do flatmates do and let her get insane.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          My wife wouldnt do this. Its not because she is a great woman (lmao), but she knows Id end up having more and better sex during the moratorium.

          Women should not have power in a successful relationship. They cant wield it effectively

          [–]1Entropy-7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          AND THE BASIC PROBLEM IS INEQUITABLE (and "no fault") DIVORCE LAWS.

          Personally, I want my LTR/wife be either agnostic or apathetic about politics. What's the difference? I don't know and I don't care.

          One house, one vote; if she trusts me, then she votes the same; if she hates or can't give a rat's ass about the political process she doesn't vote and I am cool with that.

          That is my one no-go zone. The other two referenced regarding polite company" are sex and religion.

          Religion is actually rather easy: I don't have a religion including atheism. I never draw a tiff from family, friends or lovers on this.

          And sex. . .well it works or it doesn't.

          So politics can be the sticking point for otherwise smart people who are very stupid.

          I suppose the only other workable arrangement would be to agree to not engage in any political activity because at home, it really doesn't matter if the wife or husband is a commie or a libertarian if they otherwise get along. Impose a Chinese Wall, which works for me, given where I live.

          [–]anon2777 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          interesting read, but i do understand their logic (yes i know trp hates when it is implied women have logic). But generally we all do things we know are wrong; so for them to deny sex knowing it is wrong isn't crazy.

          [–]beundertaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          this is why I can't date a girl who doesn't share the same political viewpoints as I do

          [–]Viking_RnP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Does this guy possess self awareness? Does he know feminine nature and his role in his relationship? He seems to wield almost no control.

          If the guy had known his masculine role in life and served it his wife wouldn't act this way. Her reactions are the product of his actions. I'm sure there is a lot buried underneath her excuse about the political bullshit that this dipshit has no idea even exist. Like maybe the fact that he might be a fat neck beard fuck that sits around drinking beer stagnating in his own fart cloud all day.

          I just can't see an active, healthy stud with a strong logical mindset ever having to deal with anything like this. Don't sympathise with this guy. Learn not to be him.

          Stop thinking about what she makes you feel and start thinking about what you can do to make her feel the way you want her to act Again, your actions define her reactions. This guy's post is an example of that. His action to vote his way sparked a reaction in her. I'm 100% sure if he was completely aware of himself and his wife he would have figured his situation out before it ever escalated to what it is now.

          [–]ECoast_Man 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I have to premise this with it was nothing close to marriage, but it was an exclusive relationship.

          We had a dispute similar to this and she said no sex for a month to me.I actually pulled the nuclear option and said, "well fine I'm going to go fuck someone else then".

          It had the desired result, but I didn't hear the end of me saying that for awhile, "OMG I can't believe you said that to me". I probably wouldn't recommend that in short.

          [–]smokecheck1976 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I've been in a dead bedroom for situation that lasted for years, the only thing I will recommend for anyone that has a spouse doing this is to kick their ass as hard as possible to the curb. There may be consequences, but they can be dealt with.

          Why live in a situation where your spouse has weaponized access to sex? Why live in a situation where you have one desire, one need, that goes unanswered as a result of someone else's decisions? Why live with the guilt that comes when you find another person willing to scratch that itch after going without for so long?

          No long games are needed. They get the spotlight put on them, and they can either shape up or ship out. That may mean you have to do some things, that in the context of a relationship, that shouldn't be a problem.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Embargos only work when you can only get your product from one country, or all countries participate.

          Meaning. It's his own damn fault for being stupid enough to put himself in a position where he can be legally fucked for seeking sex elsewhere. AKA getting married.

          The more I read about stuff like that, the less sympathy I have for any married man.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          A woman trying to turn sex into a reward/punishment is a shit test and should be treated accordingly. My girlfriend tried to pull that crap on me early on in the relationship, and thanks to TRP I was way ready for it long before it happened.

          "I'll suck your dick if you fix my printer." "Why would I do that if you're just going to suck my dick anyway?" "Ok then I won't have sex with you until you fix my printer." "I'll just find another woman who will have sex with me. And now I'm definitely never going to fix your printer because you're trying to manipulate me."

          Then she fucked me and I still haven't fixed her printer. I told her to never pull that shit again because even though it might work on other guys, it's never going to work on me.

          The only possible other solution is the solution to all shit tests - going nuclear and hard nexting. All other solutions involve entering her frame which means you lose.

          [–]SouloftheVoid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          My favorite part of Hammurabi's code states that if a woman is married to a man but does not have intercourse with him then she is no wife to him. That should be grounds for an annulment with zero alimony.

          [–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          If the dumbfuck hadn't married her, he could simply ask for his key back and kick her to the curb.

          DO NEVER MARRY (example #1,292,471)

          The marriage contract has long been an explicit agreement by the woman to provide sex. Period. Withholding sex has been reason for annulment/divorce in every culture (at least that I can think of). No sex = no marriage. So, now that women think they have the option to withhold their end of the contract, what kind of fucking moron male would bind himself to such a contract?

          [–]darkrood 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Such a long post.

          TL;DR: want to be faithful in marriage = surrendering power.

          Think hard about marriage and vet your wife carefully.

          [–]Trump_will_win_2016 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Lol. A Beta's wife withholds sex when he votes for Trump

          An Alpha's plate (mine) converts to supporting Trump from all the tingles you give her.

          [–]PawnToKing 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          "If you do X, you get punished with Y" or "If you do not do X, you get rewarded with Y"... In both cases, its a manipulative tactic engaged in to force behavioral change in the other party. By presenting either a punishment or a threat, the party is seeking to establish dominance on some level over the other party in the relationship.

          Doesn't it seem ironic to you that you're complaint that she's trying to use punishment and reward, when the red pill preaches that good behavior in a woman should be rewarded and bad behavior should be punished? Don't just whine now, if a woman chooses to behave the same way. Sack up.

          [–]Gradak 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          Yep, just read a reply on this same thread that talked about going nuclear and dread gaming ie manipulation, irony pls

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          [–]dreabear14 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          There's a lot to unpack here. This seems like a fairly dysfunctional relationship anyway you look at it. No, the wife shouldn't be using sex as punishment. Sex, in a healthy relationship, shouldn't be a tool for manipulation. It should be used to futher intimacy and trust, and to enjoy your partner. If she is upset with her husband they should be able to have an open dialogue regarding their feelings and why they're feeling this way. That being said, he shouldn't respond by withholding other forms of intimacy or by trying to shame her on the Internet. This would only perpetuate the dysfunction, and ultimately leave both parties dissatisfied. To clarify, this doesn't mean the correct course of action is "taking his time out" and "reflecting on what he did wrong". He isn't a child. They are both adults, and if they want the relationship to be fulfilling for both parties, they both have to communicate. It also would be inappropriate to compare a woman withholding sex from a male partner to a male coping with domestic violence at the hands of their female partner. Not only is this analogy a poor one, but it also undercuts the very real physical and psychological distress men in domestic violence situations are in. Neither have a right to the other's body, but they both have a right to want to be in a sexually and emotionally fulfilling realtionship. Both parties must decide if this means putting the work in to learning to communicate in ways that allow both parties to feel heard and respected, or if it means going separate ways to find fulfillment elsewhere. It's also helpful to keep in mind that this woman's actions and other user's comments are not representative of all or even the majority of "female logic". This is anecdotal and therefore far more difficult to generalize out to larger populations.

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