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Red Pill TheoryYou are the buyer. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1abadplayonwords

Men are the buyers, women are the products. It's that simple. All the make-up, short skirts and low cut tops are just packaging, a marketing ploy. When you go and speak to a woman, you are investing your currency - your time - to see what the product is like underneath the packaging, and whether you want to invest more in it. A man who wants any form of relationship with a woman purely based on looks, is like the kid that gets a train set for Christmas but only wants to play with the box.

If after investing some time in it, you find that the product is not to your taste then move on. If the product is not available to a certain demographic i.e. you, or is not for sale, then move on. You don't beat yourself up because the football you wanted was out of stock, you just go find another one elsewhere.

If a woman has set her price high, it's not up to you to try and gather all the loose change you have just to try and get her. Chances are, her perception of herself is way higher than anyone else's perception of her anyway.

One last point, waiting for a woman to approach you is like waiting for the DVD you want, to walk up to you and sit in your basket. It ain't gonna happen, It's up to you to pick it up.


[–]kanji_sasahara 157 points158 points  (8 children)

Viewing gender interactions as a business transaction has been more beneficial than I ever thought possible. It goes against everything I was ever taught growing up, but so glad I unplugged.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 44 points45 points  (3 children)

It goes against everything I was ever taught growing up

Yeah, it's so basic, isn't it? I always thought that women had some sublime and obscure desires when it came to falling in love because their quite vulgar preferences (good looks, being in shape, being wanted by other girls, if possible high status and wealth) were so unlike what I was told all the time girls wanted...

Seeing it in a "okay, I can offer the amoung a, b and c of the attractive qualities x, y and z, let's see what I can get for that" is much more realistic.

[–]kanji_sasahara 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Appealing to the biological rather than the social construct of female "logic" is a fun game to play.

[–]widec 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The social construct can be fun too, preselection is an awfully powerful tool.

[–]skoobled 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Everything is economics, because everything in nature is a transaction. Idealists hate this, but it is what it is

[–]thebalrog_ofmorgoth 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yup, with maybe a few exceptions, everything in the world boils down to a business transaction.

it's like dealing with a math problem already in simplest form

[–]asdfghjkltyu[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. Just as an exotic care salesman wouldn't bother talking too someone who shops at Target the same goes of Women.

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[–]stevredpill 66 points67 points  (1 child)

Women buy from stores to use as "marketing materials" for the purpose of selling themselves.

Men sell their hours so that they can buy what they want.

Make sure you buy what you want.

[–]1abadplayonwords[S] 44 points45 points  (16 children)

I know what you mean. If someone had told me that I'd ever write a post like this I would've called them nuts. Well, probably not as I used to be afraid of confrontation haha

[–]grass_cutter 12 points13 points  (4 children)

The addendum to your analogy is that it's a seller's market.

The amount of dicks in the market and will buy anything is much higher than reputable sellers.

This artificially drives up the price.

[–]KnopflerisGod 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not just the number of buyers, but the willingness to overpay is what drives up prices.

[–]RedPillProphet 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yep, supply is quite low compared to the demand. Especially in the short term sex market. This leads to very high prices.

Thought experiment: Lets say every women on earth gets a shot of testosterone and experiences a stronger drive for sex than men. Overnight the market will flip. Women will be the one buying. Fat beta shlubs will be fucking HB10s, because no one turns down a scare commodity for free.

[–]Endorsed ContributorObio1 17 points18 points  (10 children)

Men are absolutely the buyers. Whoever spends more on appearance is very obviously the seller.

[–]RedPillProphet 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I am pretty sure I spend more time in the gym, watch my diet more closely, spend more on my clothes and take care of my hair more so than the vast majority of girls. Any top 5% guy lookswise most likely does the same. Does that mean we are sellers?

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    [–]paynehouse 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    Nope. Men do so much more to attract a mate than women. Women gussy themselves up a bit. Look at how much shit we do. This whole sub is dedicated to being the best man you can be in order to attract a woman essentially. We may say it's for other reasons but merely the fact that we have to do all this work to attract a female tells us that we are in fact the sellers.

    Read any biology book it will tell you that more often than not, females are the selectors and men are the ones who compete for their interest. This is why we have alphas in the first place and why we strive so much to become one. Men compete to be the absolute best, while women sit back and relax and pick who they want to fuck. This is also why men have nearly no pickiness in their selection process. Who do men want? A hot girl who's their type physically. Who do women want? An alpha who can provide for them, someone who's strong, someone who is competent and good looking, yada, yada, yada. Women are the selectors. We are who they select. It's shitty but true.

    [–]ametalshard 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Running the world is first priority. Attracting a mate is secondary.

    [–]paynehouse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Why do you think men have the ability to run the world? Because we have millions of years of evolution where women only select for the best male out there. We are literally the product of this.

    Men are stronger/better than women for a reason. And that reason is that we are not the buyers. We are what is being bought.

    [–]Ojisan1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's the difference between investing in marketing and packaging (which women spend their resources on, such as clothes and makeup), and investing in the product itself (the R&D of building skills, a career, knowledge, etc).

    If you have developed a good product, people will want to buy it, and you keep investing in the product to stay competitive.

    If you have a shitty product, you spend all your money on advertising and marketing.

    [–]MisterMojoMan 35 points36 points  (0 children)

    This is the best mindset to have when you are talking to a woman for the first time. The best part is that she will feel this from you, and since you are the one judging her, she will subconsciously make the connection you are the one with more value (hypergamy). Just an all around great mentality to have.

    [–]1oldredder 37 points38 points  (33 children)

    One last point, waiting for a woman to approach you is like waiting for the DVD you want, to walk up to you and sit in your basket. It ain't gonna happen, It's up to you to pick it up.

    Happened to me plenty of times. Be attractive enough and seem receptive enough to her contact and it will happen. But that doesn't mean you should be complacent.

    [–]1abadplayonwords[S] 19 points20 points  (22 children)

    I agree with you, it does happen. But I think it's important to get out of that mindset.

    [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (21 children)

    It happens mostly when you don't want it. I had a club I went to on a Friday night after work for a couple of scotches to just wind down. It had this nice little corner with two big, old leather arm chairs. The guy who goes around collecting empty glasses used to bring me scotches so I didn't lose my spot, I just opened a tab at the bar. Every single time I sat down it felt like women thought it was an invitation to talk.

    "Why are you over here by yourself?"

    "Are you waiting for someone?"

    Girl sits in 2nd chair with drink "It's nice to be able to sit in a quiet Corner every now and then." "It was quiet" (I got abused by her throng of friends for that one)

    "Oh hey there, you wanna dance?" "Does it look like I want to dance? looks at scotch on the rocks.

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      [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (13 children)

      I'd just moved interstate, was living in a backpacker hostel and working 12 hour days. I was over socialised in my living quarters and couldn't exactly pick up unless you like 7 Indians watching you bang a chick. Not my cup of tea.

      E: Also, just because I got approached doesn't mean they were attractive >.>

      [–]Purecorrupt 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      Most of the times I've been approached its been by women I didn't find attractive. The few times they have been attractive I didn't know what I was doing.

      [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      At least I am thankful that usually unattractive girls will get the hint fast I'm not looking for them and won't approach

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        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children)

        Banging at a chicks place just doesn't sit right with me. Don't know what it is really. Done it a few times but afterwards I'm uncomfortable even if I split. My way or the highway I say.

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          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          do what makes you happy

          After my last LTR, this sentiment is what led to to TRP and has me on the path to become a submariner. First time in my life I'm working towards what I actually want and not what others want for me.

          [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          that's kind of odd but whatever suits you

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            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            I'm a bit of an introvert with mild aspergers, I'm hoping it's more that I'm not in my cave than beta. Though it's been a few years since that situation has arisen and I have learned a lot and changed even more since then.

            You're probably spot on.

            [–]1aguy01 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Instead of saying 'mild aspergers' just say beta, cause that's what the women will think. Fix yourself; walk the uncomfortable road.

            [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            club bathroom, more privacy, still taboo enough to make her wet. Or there's her place if she has one

            [–]CreateTheFuture 3 points4 points  (3 children)

            Different strokes for different folks, brother. This man's game isn't the most effective for picking up chicks, but it can work. I've done it plenty of times. Give off a strong enough genuine IDGAF vibe and a number of women will be unable to resist. It's near impossible to fake, though, so I wouldn't recommend it as a PUA tactic.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yep, It works best when alone from my experience, but definitely works.

            [–]CreateTheFuture -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Plus some of us are exhausted by social interaction. Drinking alone at a good bar isn't a good time for extroverts (and NO, introversion is not the same as social anxiety), but it's therapeutic for some.

            [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Agreed. I go to dance and see hot women. I'm not needy or thirsty. If I want to quietly drink I'll do that at home for far cheaper.

            [–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            No, it happens when you don't look like you are needy and thirsty for pussy. If you want it but show you are not needy it still happens.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

            How attractive are we talking?

            [–]Tank404 8 points9 points  (4 children)

            I'd consider myself pretty average looking (not fit, not fat) and it happens, I wouldn't say a lot but from time to time.

            Unsurprisingly, mostly the women that approach me are average or below average as far as looks go.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            Exactly. If you want that whale you need to go out to sea and get her yourself.

            You need to risk getting sunk.

            I just watched a film called The Whale. Great rp shit

            [–]rpscrote 10 points11 points  (2 children)

            Eh, I'll pass on hunting whales

            [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

            I'm alluding to gorgeous women as these prized creatures. Not talking about fatties.

            [–]arrayay 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            You might want to rethink your terminology. Whale is a common term for fatties.

            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            It used to happen to me often enough. I didn't think I was attractive, I have a bit of a baby face. I'd say I was maybe a 6 or 7 at the time. I didn't go to the gym and relied on my work as my only exercise. Yeah I was fit, but I wasn't buff by any means. Happened when I was sitting alone, trying to enjoy a wind down drink by myself.

            [–]Scarlett_Begonias 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            There are some men who get approached a lot, even by women who would usually not approach. There are probably some quantifiable reasons for this beyond physical attractiveness or an "air of confidence", but whatever it is it's not the norm. There are also some women who prefer to make the first move, but these are exceptions, and some people around here would say that those women are the ones you don't want anyways.

            [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I believe there is a correlation with a woman's cycle whether or not she will approach. I have no evidence to support this, however.

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            [–]copralalic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            even if you don't really want the second product, 2-for-1 deals are always great

            If you can't get a 10... get two 5's.

            [–]4delicioustreats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            To continue the continuation:

            • Dont lend your stuff to friends
            • if you dont take care of your stuff you may find they were used or are in possession by others now
            • all stuff has a price to maintain
            • the meaning of life is not stuff, unless your life is pointless
            • all the stuff in the world cannot make you happy

            [–]Jack_Wellington 14 points15 points  (1 child)

            Blue Pill Boys = Believe they are the product so they pander to women to buy them but they actually are the ones paying for it all. Females are in awe that this shit works and milk them during inevitable divorce.

            Red Pill Men = Know that they are the buyers and with an abundance mentality they simply keep getting new girls until they find one who will comply. They don't try to change a bad product, they simply look for the one they want.

            Blue pill boys will buy a fixer upper car (single mom, broken women) and try to salvage it. Red pill men will simply skip on that beater car and look for a good working car.

            [–]nomorelulu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            It's funny that this comment is upvoted and similar ones that make the same point in different words are downvoted. This subreddit is funny sometimes. For the record, I agree with you.

            [–]NeoreactionSafe 13 points14 points  (0 children)


            Men are the PRIZE.

            Men love women, women love children, children love puppies.

            It's necessary to view women as the buyers. (buyers have hypergamy... shoppers)

            "It is the woman that woos the man." (enticing with Charm, offering a high price)

            .

            A better way to visualize this is that women look up and men look down.

            • Woman - Looks up and she Charms those above her who Love her.

            • Man - Looks down and he Loves those who Charm him.

            .

            Charm is what women offer in exchange for commitment from a high SMV male. (the Prize)

            Charm is "Female Money".

            A woman without Charm (female Game) is only equal in value to her vagina. (a poor girl)

            [–]Americasballs 40 points41 points  (10 children)

            If a woman has set her price high, it's not up to you to try and gather all the loose change you have just to try and get her. Chances are, her perception of herself is way higher than anyone else's perception of her anyway.

            If the price is too high, break the toy and then buy it at a discount, that's black night shopping

            [–]SilentForTooLong 7 points8 points  (8 children)

            Why would you want a broken toy?

            [–]Americasballs 76 points77 points  (4 children)

            I only want the box anyway, the product is irrelevant because it's all cheaply made.

            [–]TimeHo 51 points52 points  (1 child)

            "Hello everyone Americasballs here with my new unboxing video..."

            [–]SilentForTooLong 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I get what you're saying, but it's hilarious to think of how creepy you would come across if you actually applied that to toy buying lol

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            What woman isn't a broken toy already?

            [–]SilentForTooLong -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

            Guess depends what you mean by broken?...

            I guess like newborns at least?

            [–]milugan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            and where do you buy it with a discount?

            [–]CSMastermind 28 points29 points  (12 children)

            I understand why this mentality is helpful but this view isn't correct.

            Women are the gatekeepers of sex. In the sexual marketplace women are the buyers and men are the sellers. Girls pick the guys they have sex with. It's better to think of yourself as restaurant and a woman like a person going out to eat. A girl's looks and to a smaller extent her other features determine her budget.

            Fat and ugly? Hope you like McDonald's. That young sexy supermodel? She's got a black card in the sexual marketplace at this point. And what about the guys? Well if you want to get a customer you have to sell a service that they want. Your looks are your "restaurant"'s location, your wealth is the building itself, and your personality / status is the food you serve. Think of game like your marketing campaign.

            If you owned a restaurant that was getting no customers you'd want to figure out why. By gushing over a girl like she's the only one on earth you're basically telling the girl you have no better options. You're throwing out any respect she had for you. You're serving shitty food.

            You might still get laid if you're rich or good looking or the girl can't tell up front what you're a hapless nice guy or if she’s drunk or you're the best she can do. Just like a restaurant that serves shitty food will still get some customers if it's in a great location or has an amazing atmosphere (such as a food vendor at a baseball game). And a restaurant might still sell some shitty food if that's all their customers can afford.

            So when you try to put women on a pedestal and you get rejected, that's what we call a Market Correction. It happens to girls as well when they reach their late 20s and their youth / looks start to fade. All of a sudden those hot guys you used to bang every weekend aren't as interested anymore. The credit card they've been buying steak dinners with for the last few years has started getting declined and they don't know what to do. Market Correction.

            Your original point is more like saying that as the owner you should think about the type of customers you want. Have a "dress code" for your restaurant and turn away potential customers if they aren't up to your standards.

            [–]grass_cutter 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            Who is the seller and who is the buyer is irrelevant.

            It's an exchange of goods. One is not more liquid than another in the context of the sexual marketplace.

            The question is whether it's a fair or unbalanced market, and if unbalanced, unbalanced towards who?

            People talk about a "buyer's market" or "sellers market" in housing. A buyers market means that are a ton of houses on the market, not a lot of capable buyers. This drives the prices of the houses down and gives the buyers bargaining power.

            A sellers market means there much more willing buyers than available quality houses in the area ... this gives the sellers a lot more negotiating power and generally drives the prices of properties UP.

            Simple, right?

            Now, it doesn't matter who you think the buyer/ seller is. Women might be selling pussy, men might be selling dick/ marriage .... whatever.

            NEVERTHELESS .... it's most definitely a "women's market" --- there are legions of desperate chodes that will fuck anything. AND, biologically, due to the 9 month investment needed for pregnancy for women alone, ... women are MORE SELECTIVE than the average man. This is proven in studies by OKcupid --- the average man rates the average women as a 6. The average woman rates the average man as a 3. Yeah, it ain't pretty.

            This doesn't mean become a kow-towing, desperate, needy pussy. It means ... well hit that gym, have some ambition ... figure this shit out ... and be well above-average. That's how you'll effortlessly get ass. Not what people want to hear, but it's the truth.

            Get on top of the gym, fashion, career ... once you're near the top, you basically have all the power.

            Or go somewhere like China where white men are rare ... and enjoy the easier ass. Whatever floats your boat.

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              [–]Totsean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              That's my type of girl to be honest. I am not into settling down, but if I find these traits in someone, I would think about it for sure.

              [–]cesarfd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I absolutely agree. The point of view of men = buyers, women = sellers is ok only as an "attitude", "I'm the powerful one here" point of view but the basic, core reallity is the one you've said.

              Women decide when sex is going to happen, that makes them the ones with nothing to prove. Men have to demonstrate everything first with 0 guarantees that they'll get sex.

              No matter how succesful you are with girls. There's not a single laid that you "decide" to get. All of them? Women decision. This is exactly the same thing as the buyer taking out the money and giving them to the seller.

              [–]rztzz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I'm glad someone pointed out that OP has it sort of wrong. I have set up a fake OKCupid account as a woman before -- it's not only highly entertaining to see the options of guys but I can see why women think that their value as a person is very high (someone should save me, someone should help me, etc.)

              In the short term men are absolutely the sellers, it's up to you to have a product that you want to sell.

              [–]tai376 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

              IMO your viewpoint is incorrect. I am not a restaurant and am not here to serve any "potential customer" that walks through my doors. You're damn right I'm gonna turn her away if she's not up to my standards. I know society wants you to think of women as the gatekeepers of sex and the buyers in the marketplace, but they're straight up not. They can't be because something whose inherent value decreases over time can't be continually trying to buy into something whose asset value (hopefully) increases over time. Women's looks/pairing/mindset has a clock on it and she's gotta sell that stock before it peaks.

              I just think it's better to be thinking of yourself as the buyer and she is the plate of food. What am I buying? How good does it taste? Will my investment pay off over time? Will she become a better person if I invest my wealth/time/energy? And I don't want to have just one plate, I want to try multiples.

              Btw

              young sexy supermodel she's got a black card better sell her a product she likes

              That's pussy on a pedestal.

              [–]Nullberri 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              young sexy supermodel she's got a black card better sell her a product she likes

              That's pussy on a pedestal.

              I think you missed the analogy. If men are restaurants trying to attract customers. If your a selling McDonald, don't expect some one who is used to eating at 5 star restaurants to even consider walking in your doors. Its not pussy on a pedestal is about recognizing what is needed (higher smv) to attract the demographics you want.

              [–]bluedrygrass -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

              No. Men are the providers. Men are the owners. Men are the object of desire. Women can't stop talking about men, thinking about men. Or course, they are detached from reality, they all aim to the prince, the champion, the millionaire, but when those men don't even take those women in remote consideration, they have to aknowledge the existence of other kind of men, and to play their cards at the top of their game to try to be picked by the best one.

              That's why they are so maniacally obsessed about their external apparences.

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                [–]FinallyRed 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                You've just described BP thinking: men programmed to think like women. Be honest, if you were a fulfilled alpha man with a genuine abundance mentality, would you think like that? I would hope not.

                [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 9 points10 points  (1 child)

                Unfortunately, this is only half of the truth.

                Because the other, uglier half is: men are sellers in a buyer's market, or at least they behave that way. Most men offer sex (and, especially when younger and the dating market is severely skewed in the favor of women, commitment as well) to most half decent (and sometimes not even that) women they meet at discount prices. It's like Chris Rock has said - "every time a man is doing something for you, he's offering you dick".

                On the other hand: most men are also quite idiotic as salesmen. They stick to one potential customer and hope she'll take him up on his offer, ignoring that there are other salesmen nearby (maybe with more attractive products than theirs) and also ignoring that one customer usually doesn't want more than one product at the same time.

                [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Agreed, but..

                Most men offer sex

                Most men are BP and get little sex and a lifetime of heartache from women.

                Women feel all the things in OP, and then phrase it in terms that make them look best.

                Top 1% men are just like OP described, and women feel that too.

                In conclusion: you are the prize if you decide you are, and women will agree with you.

                [–]cock_pussy_up 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                People act like women are all queens to be pedastalized and worshipped, no matter how ugly, fat, old, bitchy, damaged, or single-mothery they are.

                That is grade a bullshit.

                Women only talk to men who have something to offer them. If you have nothing to offer them, they'll treat you like shit on the sidewalk. If you look at them they'll call the police and press charges for stare rape.

                I need to bring everything to the table, and all they can do for me is get the cum out of my dick (which my hand can also do).

                So I want it my way like burger king. They have to meet my standards or else I'll just keep my resources for myself, or take my ball and go play somewhere else.

                [–]Axel_Black 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                Your idea sounds nice.. but products don't reject you lmao. Both parties are the buyers and the products.

                [–]blackyisthedog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                The idea was to look at it as a business transaction. That way your ego will not be involved and it will not be hurt. If you go to a store and try to buy expensive boots your ego is not hurt you just logically know that you can't afford it at that time and you come back when you have more money because you know you can have it then. It is not rejection, using this analogy, it just means you dont have the currency at that time. If you truly believe you had the "currency" and you were rejected, avoid that store, they dont deserve your business, go to the next store, i.e no ego shaming and eventually you will kill the ego without fighting it.

                [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                I'm still new to TRP, but I can't agree more with OP.

                When I was 18 I benched 85lbs, was never in a serious relationship, and looked every bit like a freshman in college. My best friend once told me I didn't have the build to get jacked. I cared way too much what woman thought.

                10 years later my two rep max is 295, I've got a couple LTR's out of my system (it's easy to buy into LTR's the first couple times, once you go through breakups you realize the concept of love/marriage is obsolete in 2015) and I no longer judge myself based on success with woman. You think the grass is greener on the other side, or you need a girl to be happy... Then one day you realize you don't and it's the wrong way to live your life.

                A big part of making a drastic change is recognizing the VALUE you bring, being an ALPHA, and believing you are the real catch. At the end of the day, make your own money, lift big, and never judge yourself based on what a female says. Instead, judge yourself based on accomplishments or overcoming lifelong obstacles. And always walk like you have a big dick.

                [–]YoungHef 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Well said OP. And that last line is a good summation to boot.

                More I think of it, I love this analogy. Immma save this one, perhaps my non-TRP'ers may see a bit of my view now.

                [–]1aguy01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                It's really the inverse. Women are the buyers, men sell. A woman's currency is determined by her looks. The highest price she can pay is her pussy, but she can also pay for attention by being nice and charming and gathering up betas. When a good enough product comes along she will cash in with her pussy to purchase it. She either loses interest and gets a refund to buy a new product, or she can't afford anything better and keeps her toy.

                An attractive woman walking down the street is like a white tourist walking through a Mexican tourist shop. The sellers all yell and push for the tourist to spend their money at their business. When a poor looking local walks by the sellers barely take notice. The sellers might offer to 50 tourists in one day. The tourist only takes interest in a few items, and only purchases one.

                To maximize your sales, you must have the best deal you can offer and offer to as many people as possible.

                [–]paynehouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                One last point, waiting for a woman to approach you is like waiting for the DVD you want, to walk up to you and sit in your basket. It ain't gonna happen, It's up to you to pick it up.

                This right here actually represents how men are not the ones selecting. It's common knowledge in biology that the women are the selectors and men compete for their interest. That's why we try so damn hard to be the best person we can be; so we can "win" a female's attention.

                Although yes, it's true, if you want to attract a girl you should act as the buyer because a man who acts as such is above the competition. This deviation from the norm will make a woman realize you are alpha. But you've still competed in some way, because you did all that work to become alpha.

                Men and women both have marketing ploys. We both want to appear as best we can to our potential partners.

                [–]Johnny10toes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                I said this once in different words but got down voted. I'll try again. It's been said that we are the fishermen and women are the fish. I disagree.

                We are the fish looking at the bait deciding if it's real or a hook. The women paint themselves attractive with clothes, makeup, boob jobs, words. Good grief the words.

                Some guys are nibblers. The just taste the bait. The girl gets pissed and tries her luck elsewhere. Soon she tries a different fish all together. Some guys swallow then spit it out. Some of us simply take the bait.

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                [–]1abadplayonwords[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                The box is also fun to the boy who is blind to the toy.

                [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I'm all about playing with the box

                [–]deprecated 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Also lost on many western men is a concept taken for granted in other cultures: haggling. In (most) western societies (or at least the one I live in) a price is set by the seller and it is assumed by both sides that this is the price, take it or leave it. While living overseas, I soon learned the fine art of haggling, where the price first quoted to me was often 2 to 3 times (or more) what I could actually purchase the product at with a little bit of skilled haggling.

                I would say game is a bit like haggling: you are renegotiating the price heavily in your favor, and by using very similar techniques.

                It is also worth noting that, if skilled enough, you could by good products so cheaply that you bought many of them, and simply replaced any that were broke or grew tiresome to you.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                I showed my bestfriend this by copy/paste. I wanted to know what he thought about it, just to see if he's ready for the TRP. He replys saying the guy who wrote that is a douchebag. He's not ready yet, I have to prepare him alot more than I thought. Guide him further. We've talked about TRP theories without him even knowing it and yet he agreed.

                Thanks for the post. Its the TRUTH. Took me a long time to learn it.

                [–]SgtBrutalisk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Be careful or you will lose "friends" that way.

                [–]waitfor_ittt 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                As the buyer, you can negotiate prices as well. Especially if a high priced product is shown that there are younger, better quality products out there available for a lower price, you can barter the original's price down greatly.

                [–]1abadplayonwords[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Definitely, this is a great addition

                [–]VermilionMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                One advantage of girls I meet when engaging in my more intellectual hobbies is that they don't try to increase their market value with trickery. On average these girls aren't as high in SMV as girls I game elsewhere, but you know what you're getting into with them.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I think you are on the right track to consider sexual relationships in terms of economics, but you are off in your view. It's not that one or the other are "products". Both are "products." Both are buyers and sellers as well: it's a barter, unless it's prostitution, and what you have to trade is yourself. She's in the same boat.

                Your entire post can be reversed gender-wise, and makes just as much sense (just take the money part metaphorically... women shouldn't pine and invest themselves in unavailable men either).

                [–]Luepert 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Don't men also change their appearance to try to attract women? Sometimes women seek men too.

                [–]Booksarefun666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I'd like a two for one deal please.

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                While this may be true, it's also important to be a man worth value and be looking sharp if you want to meet lots of women. Hit the gym, make money, and be a cool dude.

                [–]ringob82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                You'll also get the rare product that is undervalued. By that I mean, she's got a much greater value proposition than she realizes.

                It's true what you say, though, a majority have bought into the snowflake idea.

                Bottom line is most of their self-concepts are out of whack, and you must learn proper valuation skills.

                Edit: a word

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I really enjoy knowing that women, having dressed up so nicely for a night out, can be discouraged by cold shoulders from men.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                Has a product ever rejected a buyer? Bc women reject men all the time

                [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                Has a product ever rejected a buyer?

                In a seller's market where the buyers can't afford the product.

                But I agree with you, that's also why in my opinion, men are the products/salesmen and women the buyers. At least until the wall hits.

                [–]Entershikari 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Don't forget that most women tend to believe that they're higher price than that they really are whereas they're used good.

                That's where you come into the scene and knock their shit test off in order for a sweet market calibration.

                [–]srsly_forever_alone 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                her perception of herself is way higher than anyone else's perception of her anyway.

                Key point. They think very, very highly of themselves with little, to no, support/evidence for their lofty self-perception. A form of "illusory superiority"?

                [–]copralalic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Not true. Betas reinforce them constantly.

                [–]srsly_forever_alone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Didn't consider that, true.

                [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                It's almost like the illusory superiority has to exist because it is based on so little.

                [–]Nirvanablue92 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                Idk about you guys but girls approach me all the time. Discreetly and indiscreetly.

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                [–]Jack_Wellington 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                So please GTFO you hypocrite.

                [–]SilentForTooLong -3 points-2 points  (38 children)

                lol

                Have you ever met a woman that mentally stimulated you?...

                Where do these unicorns exist?

                "One last point, waiting for a woman to approach you is like waiting for the DVD you want, to walk up to you and sit in your basket. It ain't gonna happen, It's up to you to pick it up."

                For all the MGTOW shit...sure seems like there is a lot of admonishing of people that would actually dare to go their own way, as opposed to fall into lock step with what society tells men to do.

                [–]CryptoManbeard 12 points13 points  (10 children)

                Let's not get retarded. There are plenty of mentally stimulating women out there, even if it's not the cultural norm. A beautiful woman in this culture has no reason to have to be mentally stimulating, which is why you don't see those traits together very often.

                [–]1oldredder -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                Let's not be retarded in the other way: if a woman's not sexy I have no reason to be with her so there's almost no overlap. It's fine if a woman can make conversation and knows things but if she's not sexy we'll be together for random reasons and when I have a reason be somewhere else, I will. I can't keep a woman around only for intellectual conversation.

                A woman's purpose to me is sex and that's that.

                [–]SilentForTooLong -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

                Yeah, fair enough I guess. I should be a bit more honest. I have met exactly 1 mentally stimulating woman. She lived in France though. I have since considered moving there in earnest.

                I really don't know though. I have never read anything, listened to anything, looked at any art, or generally been influenced by much of anything a woman has done. I guess it's obviously true that with zero reason to be stimulating, they just never develop into it... but I still have basically never met a woman that comes anywhere near the men I've encountered.

                Off the top of my head, I guess I have enjoyed one film by a woman though: Meek's Cutoff by Kelly Reichardt. Looking up photos of her may actually make you wonder if "Kelly" is a gender neutral name though.

                How far does one go in the pursuit of the mental over the physical with women, since it seems that you literally have to make a complete tradeoff in most cases?

                [–]1ErasmusOrgasmus -1 points0 points  (3 children)

                I have never read anything, listened to anything, looked at any art, or generally been influenced by much of anything a woman has done.

                It's a disappointing truth. I'd argue that even besides art and physical creations, it's true in relation to mere conversation. You can have fun in conversation with women, sure, but when I compare the conversations I have with my male and female friends and acquaintances afterwards, the difference in sheer value is incredible.

                Men will discuss concepts, ideas and strategies and will actually debate them - talk about the pros and cons, and bring new perspectives without fear of 'offending' others. In contrast, I find it's not uncommon to come away from a conversation with a woman and think 'what did we actually talk about?' or 'what was the takeaway from that conversation?' They will talk about insignificant people and actions, and will frequently stick to topics about which they will generally all agree or at least where differing opinions are not seen as offensive.

                [–]newls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                There was an interesting post here recently by a guy who looked at patterns in 2XC and the other girly subs.

                To put it briefly he basically concluded that they were nicey-nice echo chambers.

                [–]balajig8 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                Great people discuss Ideas. Average people discuss Things. Less value people discuss other people. Period.

                [–]SilentForTooLong -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                I really barely know. Contrary to the popular opinion, I hardly ever even find women capable of talking. I usually do 100% of the talking, whereas I do a great deal more listening with men.

                Supposedly women want you to listen to them... but I have never found that to be true, and frankly I have no fucking idea what the hell you would be listening to. Mindless rambling about some kind of gossip?

                The best that women do is push you farther by enabling you as a teacher I guess. They ask good questions maybe, or something, and the pushes you further along, but that seems about it. I know somewhere out there, there are smart women... but even if so, it seems like they basically hide it in regular conversation? I really don't know.

                That's not to say that a lot of men aren't retarded buffoons really, it's just that as I encounter people, the ones that are not retarded buffoons always seem to be men.

                I suppose the simple reason for this is that women have no reason to transcend their condition? Or, alternatively, the truth that women have no selves other than being mirrors of the men they are around. Another extreme truth I've found. Any woman that is even remotely interesting, if you investigate, has gained her interesting qualities thanks to some incredible guy she was with at some point. Try it out sometime. If a woman intrigues you in some way, inquire about how she came to learn about that subject, or learn how to do that activity...it will lead to a story about some incredible guy she was with at some point. Hell, I've turned plenty of mediocre as fuck women into at least semi-interesting people thanks to my influence on them, but it's just something I've noticed. Eventually I get bored as fuck talking about myself, and it's interesting dissecting women when you get the chance, and if they are even self-aware enough to allow for it; this is something I have uncovered in every case basically. It's never their own personal passion or anything that lead them to anything, but also a marker of some man they interacted with.

                [–]CryptoManbeard -1 points0 points  (3 children)

                Depends on what you want. Personally I have guys for mental stimulation, I get with women for the tits and ass. Being able to have a decent conversation is a plus for me, not a requirement.

                Obviously if you're just spinning plates, looking for a woman to flex your brain muscle is a waste of time.

                [–]SilentForTooLong -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

                The only problem for me is that I am, I guess, in a total intellectual bubble. I literally do not know how to talk to stupid people. I guess I should learn, but I've avoided them for so much of my life that whenever I encounter them it's like encountering a stray dog or something...

                [–]CryptoManbeard 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                You sound like a real elitist asshole.....maybe you should work on that.

                [–]kazaul -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                If you can muster the courage, try it. Talking to those who are less aware/capable than you is an exercise in verbal dominance which teaches valuable lessons.

                You have to enter the conversation with the assumption that you'll be the one guiding, controlling, and hopefully leaving a lasting good impression. Sure, you gotta be comfortable doing that. But if you're serious about internalizing TRP, you'll want to learn that anyways.

                Do it wrong and you come off as an elitist snob, true, but you can also learn one hell of a lot about how people think, feel, and act.

                [–]Jigsus 2 points3 points  (23 children)

                I have met a large number of mentally stimulating women. They're usually not that beautiful. Some are ok in the looks department but not beautiful.

                [–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (11 children)

                Shit, I'd be ok with "ok" in the looks department if mental stimulation was involved!

                Where do you meet all of these mentally stimulating women?

                [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                I met one who is in medical school. She is an identical twin, probably a HB7 (no obvious flaws, a few nice features), but she is also 16 years younger than me... so I have no plans to pursue her. I do admire her, though.

                [–]SilentForTooLong 2 points3 points  (4 children)

                As long as it's legal, what's the problem?

                [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                Just not attractive to me. Like some people can't handle a single crooked tooth (I think that a bit of snaggletooth makes a girl prettier sometimes)... it's a preference. I would like a woman who shares my similar temporal frame of reference.

                [–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                What do you mean by temporal frame of reference exactly? Don't mean to be snarky, just curious what is actually involved that creates the preference.

                [–]copralalic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Well, there was no Internet until I was an adult. I used to watch movies on VHS tapes and look for books in the card catalog at the library. "Alf" and Hulk Hogan aren't campy/ironic to me -- I actually really liked them when I was a kid, and I know nothing at all about Pokemon.

                So, a similar temporal frame of reference would also remember some if not all of that stuff, and not act bemused/befuddled when they make an obscure Team Rocket joke that I don't get.

                [–]SilentForTooLong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Oh, weird. Guess I never imagined living like that, like wholly in the past. I am always living in the future I guess, and the future is equally ahead of me and an 18 year old. Probably one of my issues I guess.

                [–]Jigsus 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                It's why I moved to europe. I meet a lot of fresh university grads at conferences and tradeshows all around the continent and they are pretty good at mental stimulation.

                The added advantage is that if you look good you're going to stand out from the crowd of typical conference goers.

                [–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                I feel you are leaving out a lot of pieces to the puzzle here...

                [–]Jigsus 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                Force of habit. If you have any specific questions I'd be happy to answer them.

                [–]SilentForTooLong 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Why are you attending conferences? What kind of conferences? How do you just move to Europe? Which part?... Europe is not like a single place exactly.

                [–]Jigsus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                I am attending a lot of conferences as part of my job. I used to be an IT guy for universities. Now I work as an engineer and unlike my peers I like to travel so I get sent out to scientific and trade conferences a lot.

                I moved to Romania for a job and now I live in Belgium. I don't want to move back to Canada. Romanian girls are amazing but I couldn't take my boss there seriously anymore.

                You're right europe isn't a single place but when an international conference is being held people from ALL OVER go there so it feels like a mixing pot. European conferences are pretty much the same across the continent. Attend some presentations, mingle, go to showroom floor and talk to the people at the booths then go to the conference dinner and party all night on the company dime.

                They can be extremely boring but I find a lot of smart girls in this environment.

                [–]newls -2 points-1 points  (10 children)

                It's odd sometimes. I'm meeting up with this girl at the weekend who is a postgraduate STEM student and on paper very smart academically but still has some ditzy submissive qualities. AWALT I guess.

                Most girls aren't too interesting or mentally stimulating though. That same pattern of "I like Netflix, staying in, and going out with friends." Yawn, women tend towards the mean.

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                  [–]newls 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                  I don't know. I've noticed a few simultaneous downvotes on 5 or so of my posts today.

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                    [–]newls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Yeah. Ah well, they're just imaginary internet points.

                    [–]nothere_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    do they also wear a North Face gilet,black leggings and Uggs?

                    [–]Jigsus -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

                    Most girls aren't too interesting or mentally stimulating though. That same pattern of "I like Netflix, staying in, and going out with friends."

                    I can't stand those "the usual" girls.

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    What do you want then? Girl with a flat ass and a stache that knows math?

                    [–]newls -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    It should be expected really. Females are extremely group-minded and tend towards the mean. It's a safety measure in their nature. If most girls are doing something and are still alive then a hypothetical girl is also more likely to also stay alive if she copies them.

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                      [–]Jigsus -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      You've entered a whole nother level of creepy right now.

                      [–]someguysomewhere321 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

                      Have you ever met a woman that mentally stimulated you?...

                      Yes, however more in a way a smart male child could stimulate you. AWALT still applies and you still need to play the lead male role. Equality in male / female relationships is a lie.

                      [–]Greg_by_greg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      This makes me think about what product(woman) I want/need now, and in the future.

                      [–]dbwhrsd -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      I've heard that DVD bit as you're in the market purchasing cereal. The box won't simply fall off the shelf into your basket, you need to pick it up.

                      [–]tentomasz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      So it has nothing to do with you being attractive or unattractive? :D

                      [–]flinty_day_off -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                      Damn... I thought this was satire.

                      But apparently it isn't.

                      Damn.

                      [–]BramRhodesDouglas -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

                      In the sexual market place men are sellers and women are buyers. Women display all of the characteristics of buyers -- they're liars, they're discretionary, they're flaky, and they only want the best. Anyone who has worked a sales job knows this. Remember men, you're the prize. Happy closing!

                      [–]Rachelmorice -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                      I approached my the guy I liked.

                      [–]Rachelmorice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Approached the guy that I liked