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ScienceYou guys suck at Tinder. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1constructiveasshole

I hear a lot of guys complain that Tinder is difficult for the average guy. It isn't. We all know that girls swipe right or left on Tinder based on a 2 second glance at your first photo. Most of your first photos suck ass. How do I know? A bunch of you sent me your pics in a previous thread I made offering to retouch them, so I saw a bunch of examples.

If you are chad bod, seriously cut with visible abdominal muscles, then go for the shirtless mirror selfie.

As for everybody else,

-Wear a suit, stare into the distance like you're a Fortune 500 CEO being interviewed for a Forbes cover. All girls will see dollar signs. THIS SHOULD BE A PROFESSIONAL-QUALITY PHOTO for maximum results. Go pay a real photographer the hundred bucks. Tell them this is what you want. Do not look into the lens, it makes you look desperate. Do not smile. Thousand yard stare shows off your manly jawline. http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52d2ebb3e4b06f22d60562c5/5459180ae4b0168a2765aad6/54592084e4b0d8d8aa3c5e20/1415127179969/Adam-Jacobs-Mens-Fashion-Photography-Model-Suit-Photography-Freddie.jpg

-Cute pet picture shirtless or wearing a t-shirt that "accidentally" shows off your biceps. You can smile at the pet in this one. Good conversation starter - cute dog, mine's named Rover, how about yours? http://imgfave-herokuapp-com.global.ssl.fastly.net/image_cache/1344082221598257.jpg

-Candid picture with friends - shows you're cool and hang out with hot people. The kind of company she will join if she fucks you. Even if these are your relatives, or an old photo, or strangers, it doesn't matter. http://thumb7.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/54809/54809,1307507475,1/stock-photo-group-of-young-people-enjoy-summer-party-at-the-beach-on-beautiful-sunset-78816610.jpg

-Preselection picture with hot girl(s), cropped as if to look like you tried to crop her out (but didn't). Don't use Hooters girls or promo models, it's obvious you just asked for a pic and will work against you. Needs to look like a normal hot girl who's actually into you. If you don't have one, literally just go up to any hot girl in a crowded bar and ask for a photo, "I'm trying to show my buddy who's at home what's he's missing ;) " THat move won't get you laid right then with that one girl, but you will use the pic to catch actual pussy later. http://thedudes.club/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/tom-ford-eyewear-2010-spring-campaign-1.jpg

-If you're 6'0 or taller, (really 5'10 or taller and DGAF about lying), the first line of your About Me should be your height. 6'0. On a line by itself.

These four photos, correctly lit and shot to make you look attractive, will get you matches on Tinder and get you laid, almost regardless of what you look like. I've done it for myself and for all my divorced friends and I get laid all the time from Tinder. I'm probably a 5/10 in the face but an 8/10 in the body.


[–]Stythe 274 points275 points  (61 children)

I laughed at the hight bit. I remember an ex of mine trying to set up threesoms online when I was mega BP. She put my hight as 6"1. I told her I was 5"11 and she said "Not on here you aren't."

It's funny in retrospect, now that I understand.

[–][deleted] 172 points173 points  (31 children)

females have 0 perspective on dimensions, i've had long term gf's think my dick was legit 10 inches long (lol wat)

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (8 children)

I once had an ex tell me she had been with 3 boyfriends (at different times) who had between 10 and 12 inch dicks. This was a late 20s/early 30s woman who wasn't trying to shit test me as far as I know, and honestly thought that was the actual measurement. I asked her to guess mine and she said 9 or 10.

[–]Gawernator 169 points170 points  (4 children)

lol. Your story seems pretty common. When I'm with my GF, I have a 8 inch dick. If we breakup, it's 4 inches. lol

[–]afkb39sdfb 91 points92 points  (2 children)

When I'm with my GF, I have a 8 inch dick. If we breakup, it's 4 inches.

After a relationship women just do those things to try and hurt you. Same reason they fight for the family dog in divorce. They don't care about the dog, they know YOU care about the dog and want to take it from you just to hurt you.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I realized my ex was doing this shit it became comical. One time she said I had a big dick but didn't know how to use it. I basically took it as a confirmation that my dick isn't small

[–]yamehameha 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She takes half as per her training.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

That's just a general rule. If she's into you, you can do no wrong and anything positive is amplified. It's hilarious how many women say they don't like X in a guy...until they do.

Of course, the reverse is also true. If she's not into you then you are just barely above Gollum in terms of redeeming qualities.

[–]WendigoWood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reason for this is because guys TELL them that their dicks are 8-10 inches!

Women have no depth perception.

[–]notmyusualreddit 120 points121 points  (7 children)

Q: Why are girls so bad at estimating distance? A: Because their whole life they've been told 6" is actually 8.

EDIT: Warning: Reddit admins deleted me after 2 years of posting, even with current gold on my account, just because I posted a link to a youtube account that was easily available if you took a name news organizations were giving out and typed it into google yourself. The bias against Trump and the_donald is real.

BUT, the reddit morons forgot to lock out EDITING your previous posts as part of the permanent ban.

[–]ItsaSimulation 13 points14 points  (4 children)

[–]-cookie-monsta- 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Well that was really fucking cool

[–]rubdub101 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I legitimately lol'd at this

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (1 child)

If they're into you they'll think you're tall and your dick is huge. I've had so many girls tell me I'm tall. I'm totally average height for men in my country and for some reason tend to end up with women of above average height (but not taller than me).

Like everything else, dimensions are governed by their feelings.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Like everything else, dimensions are governed by their feelings.

bingo, that's exactly it lol

[–]TheRedStoic 21 points22 points  (0 children)

A feminine size measurement is directly correlated to desire.

They truly fail at empirical spaciotemporal measurements.

Driving jokes exist for a very good reason. (no exteroception)

[–]WhySoRuff 102 points103 points  (4 children)

No spatial skills, thats why they are relatively worse drivers and suck at STEM.

[–]_the_shape_ 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yes, and many do not seem to rely on numbers to explain things.

He's not 6'2", he's "suUper tall!"

They also don't give directions using numbers, it's not "turn left on 34th st, go down three blocks and make a right on "Chad-AF Blvd., my house is 3501", no, it's "go down until you see the Walmart, then keep going until you pass the tall trees, my house will be right there."

Rare too will be the woman who uses "North" or "West" to describe which direction to go in.

It's as if the typical woman is "anti-precision"

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Why are women bad drivers?

Most men tell them this <hand gesture> is 10 inches

[–]WhiteNitro69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Confirmed, had a chick who said I MUST be nine inches. I almost wanted to show her a ruler so she could see how crazy that was, but then realized its better to just let her believe that.

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      [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      [–]NakedAndBehindYou 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      The OkCupid blog said that male height is one of the most common lies in a dating profile. Their entire male userbase on average collectively adds about 2 inches to their height.

      [–]PDshotME 12 points13 points  (1 child)

      I had a girl look over my Tinder profile once trying to get her gut reaction on things and the first thing she said was "why do you not have your height listed on here. You know that's the first thing that girls look for right after the pic"

      I had no clue but I'm 6'1 and ever since I put it in there I've had a lot more matches using the exact same photos.

      [–]Ponson 7 points8 points  (5 children)

      I still don't understand why height is important

      [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      Me either. Especially when most chicks are like 5',2" - 5',5".

      [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Evolutionary stuff. Girls use a guy's height as a validation of their own social status. Tall guys can see threats coming sooner; having a tall boyfriend says to her that she's worth protecting.

      [–]Burn_The_Thunder 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      My theory is that evolutionarily, it provides better protection and safety.

      [–]conspirized 11 points12 points  (8 children)

      Another note on height: as someone who is 6' 4" I actually lie DOWN. 6'2" seems to be the magic number, any higher and it seems like they assume you're full of shit. Something to consider for my fellow tall guys.

      [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 9 points10 points  (7 children)

      You can get away with listing 6'4 if your photos clearly show you dwarfing the people around you. Especially other dudes. Otherwise, yeah lie shorter.

      [–]annospig 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      As a man who is 5'5", I'm legitimately jealous of you right now. I can study this trp all I want, but I'm still not going to get taller.

      Edit: The problem isn't with ladies; it's with other men. As a short guy, making it clear I won't take shit requires more outright aggression.

      [–]WendigoWood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I laughed at a number of things here, it was quite amusing particularly the last photo.

      [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa 78 points79 points  (13 children)

      I hear a lot of guys complain that Tinder is difficult for the average guy. It isn't.

      Tinder's a beauty contest for guys. Be prettier than the guy next to you and you win.

      Most of your first photos suck ass.

      Your profile pic's your thesis. A crap thesis leaves the whole book unread.

      Great post u/constructiveasshole.

      [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 106 points107 points  (20 children)

      Your thread reads as if:

      1. Be attractive
      2. Don't be unattractive
      3. Have these 4 pictures showing off 1 & 2 above.

      Anyone can use the 4 picture approach you laid out above, but guys that are fat, short, ugly, etc are going to have a fraction of the success you are, even when the pictures are done properly. Just the way it is.

      My advice for those reading this thread is to follow his suggestions to a T, but don't get your hopes up. Some of you WILL find success and others will not. Such is life.

      [–]trumpisafaggybeta 46 points47 points  (10 children)

      If you're overweight or scrawny, your chances of landing a worthwhile chick are slim to begin with, anyways.

      Such people shouldn't even bother with tinder; they should be full monk mode, hitting the gym and adjusting their diet to achieve a worthwhile fitness goal where women get the tingles from seeing your body alone.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Honestly, gym is always the answer. You aren't having success online? shut it down for a few months. Get fit. Try again.

      [–]trumpisafaggybeta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It really is; your SMV is most immediately affected by physique above all else, though I'd say that game/being well-groomed in tandem with this effectively make the holy trinity to fuck any woman.

      When I used to be fat no woman would so much as throw a look in my general direction. Nowdays they're flirting with me left and right, and I occasionally even get catcalled on the street by girls in groups.

      [–]sir_wankalot_here 19 points20 points  (5 children)

      An online marketing campaign is viewed as successful if it has a 1/50 conversion rate. They run countless experiments on different headlines, different photos etc.

      So ultimately it is a numbers game. So basically if you are sitting around doing nothing mess around with a social app. So for the initial contact spend limited resources, if it isn't going anywhere stop chatting with her.

      On these types of apps you can get women talking about AF/BB first hand. Usually their profile says stuff like "wants only serious relationship"," no players " that sort of thing. So I would talk to chicks, they would show me pictures of the stuff guys bought them, tell me what a gentleman he is etc. In two cases guys sent these women $1K worth of stuff over a 3 to 6 month period and did not even get a boob shot. Meanwhile the same chicks where sending me pics of her boobs and pussy.

      Basically you have to figure out what works for you and make a "brand". My case father figure, mysterious and domination is what works. Try new things all the time, most importantly have fun.

      So with the women getting sent stuff by guys, I didn't believe it. So I told her you are full of shit. She then took pictures of the box, showed the shipping invoice and all the items.

      [–]aherne18 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      So ultimately it is a numbers game.

      But why not protect your ego and feed on women around instead of going to the very place where your success will be at its absolute minimal?

      [–]sir_wankalot_here 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      If you ego needs protecting, then you have to work on IDGAF and outcome independence.

      to the bert place your success will be at its absolute minimal?

      Let's use the 1/50 number to illustrate a point. If each engagement costs you 30 seconds that means for an investment of 25 minutes you have one success.

      [–]Gunnilingus 11 points12 points  (0 children)

      He addresses all of those, except for being fat. If you're short, lie. If you're ugly, make the best of a bad situation with good quality photos. If you're fat, you're on this sub so you already know to go into monk mode and stop being such a fat faggot because fat faggots don't get pussy, shockingly. That said you're more or less right. Tinder is easy mode pussy IF you can put yourself into the top 20% of men category (in the minds of the women using the app) with 5 photos and a line of text. If you can't, you're screwed because I guarantee you 90+% of the women on tinder are matching with at least a few of the top 20% of men who are just trying to fuck with minimal effort. I know this, because while I match with 7s and 8s galore because I'm tall attractive and muscular, I'll just as soon bang the 6s and even 5s i match with because it's so fucking easy, they don't expect me to put in any effort, and they're incredibly eager to please because they know how out of their league I am. I don't go on tinder with the express purpose of banging the hottest girl I can find...I go on tinder because it's 5pm on a Sunday and I want to line up some pussy by 10.

      [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      This will be proportionate, sure. But well shot photos can make anybody like 1 or 2 SMV higher than they really are. So if you're naturally a 4, a good photo can make you look like a 6.

      If you're massively overweight, those guys should be in the gym, not on Tinder.

      If you're short, use pics shot from below that accidentally make you look taller. Use pics where you aren't standing next to a tall person. There's no reference for height on Tinder except what's in your photo. Use that to your advantage.

      [–]notmyusualreddit 85 points86 points  (1 child)

      My favorite tinder truth comes from the fact that one of my three pictures on tinder is me at 19. I'm 31. I've had tindet dates say they're so glad I look like my pictures. I'd like to see a woman try that.

      EDIT: Warning: Reddit admins deleted me after 2 years of posting, even with current gold on my account, just because I posted a link to a youtube account that was easily available if you took a name news organizations were giving out and typed it into google yourself. The bias against Trump and the_donald is real.

      BUT, the reddit morons forgot to lock out EDITING your previous posts as part of the permanent ban.

      [–]romanmoses 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It seems to me that white women age much worse than other races. Unfortunate considering white women culture these days.

      [–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP 39 points40 points  (0 children)

      All those tinder basics summed up nicely. Much of this also applies to online dating in general. See OmLaLa's guide as the gold standard for that.

      [–]metallica11 58 points59 points  (9 children)

      Funny, when tinder first hit mainstream I told everyone:

      • 1 looks matter the most and that, because of #1,
      • 2 there are going to be services popping up to optimize your tinder pictures (not bio), to the point that professional pictures costing 1-2 hundred bucks are going to start being the standard.

      Basically, guys getting glamour shots for women. We have been reduced to pages in a fashion magazine women shop for. THINK ABOUT IT. You better bet that these photo optimization services are going to start competing with each other.

      People laughed at me and called me ridiculous, but look what is happening, here is my (slightly hyperbolic) prediction of the future. don't laugh - it may actually happen.

      "Thank you sir for signing up for DatingOptimize, the worlds #1 service provider for optimization and complete revamp of looks, reaching 100 million in revenue and providing a 50% increase in matches guaranteed for over 10 million customers. You have signed up for the 2,000 dollar complete photo package, which is the our most popular product" Your consultation will start off with a complete 3D physical recreation of your physical profile and other attributes such as skin complexion/eye color etc. We will then perform any possible enhancements to your profile to optimize desirable traits such as increased shoulder width, jaw augmentation. Of course, these modifications will be performed through photo enhancement, although we do offer a premium package where we perform physical modifications as well. We will then supply you with a fashion consultant to provide you with the correct attire, posture, and photo environment that are proven to elicit the most positive response in the opposite sex. As always, biography write ups will be provided free of charge, as they are proven to be the least important factor in mate selection"

      Meanwhile: the future dating service for women reads as:

      "Thank you for signing up for PureAdonis, the worlds #1 service provider for selecting the most suitable partner for women. Gone are the days of perusing through hundreds of matches and messages through all the "boring" guys. With this service, we take the burden of selection out of your hands and ensure only the highest status men get to interact with you. Sick of men less than 6'0" contacting you? We'll filter them out. Sick of men making less than 100,000$ contacting you? we'll filter them out you. Our adonis template matching algorithm will find the perfect candidates based on our auto-physical attribute filter that sorts through over 100 million available online profiles and match you with the ones you find the most sexy. As you know, since only the same 1% of men get selected out of the 100 million online profiles by all women, we have auto-filter the remaining lower 99% automatically and constantly update our filter as womyns' needs change. you won't to have bother with anything BUT the cream of the crop. We also provide complimentary real time pregnancy monitoring to eliminate any "issues" you have with the men you are with, and of course ensure that every guy you are matched with has a time slot available for you through our "alphasharing" scheduling program

      [–]sassypaella 14 points15 points  (2 children)

      That sounds pretty much like paying for coaching/PUA advice.

      [–]metallica11 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      Correct, but on steroids. Men are essentially turning into a catalog selection where you have to "sell yourself" - the PUA coaching etc was the start, molding aspects of your personality and being to be the most attractive. In my opinion, it is only going to get more extreme.

      [–]dingman58 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Men always have, and will continue to, sell themselves. Those with premium product have it a little easier. Those without, can make up for it by becoming better salesmen

      [–]lemurmort 10 points11 points  (2 children)

      I tried paying a guy 5 bucks in Bitcoin to make my profile picture have more muscles, but I ended up looking like a shitty anime character

      [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      That makes me cringe. If you want, PM it to me and I'll see if I can help. I don't charge for that shit

      [–]lemurmort 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I have a pic from on cycle now, so that won't be necessary. Thanks though

      [–]redpillspeeddate 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      This is essentially what high end match making is. Its been around for decades. Many guys pay 25k+ for these services.

      [–]99_Problem 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      That's making a killing ($$$$) on both ends of this bullshit. Genius.

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      [–]Gawernator 12 points13 points  (12 children)

      Seems almost mathematical really.

      Also, I'm 5'10" and don't think I could get away with saying I'm 6'...?

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        [–]Gawernator 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Lol how did you deal with her calling you out?

        [–]Man_Jose 35 points36 points  (1 child)

        "I'm big where it counts" (then a sly wink)

        [–]snowdude_fz 18 points19 points  (4 children)

        Yes you could. Especially if you are meeting shorter women. They can't tell the difference between 5'10" and 6'.

        [–]Gawernator 9 points10 points  (3 children)

        Okay, cool. Well I just switched it up to 6'0 and see what happens. Also you're right, most my previous LTR have been about 5'3"-5" and most girls here in general are 4'11"-5'5" anyways (lots of latina and asian)

        [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        Check back in after a few days and let us know if it makes a difference!

        [–]Gawernator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Will do. Guess I need to message "hi" to some chicks. Lol. Almost tempted to shotgun blast just to see how many responses I can get

        [–]phillyjim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I would spam girls with "does this mean you're my girlfriend?" And then they'd reply something stupid and I'd say "ok let's go to a shitty bar and make out".

        If they replied to that then I would meet them. If they didn't then I lost 10 seconds of my life. This was over two years ago as I've been off tinder quite a while.

        [–]squidracer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Wear boots to the date. Problem solved

        [–]untitled_redditor 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        I think your last tip, be taller, really is gold for online dating.

        [–]Gunnilingus 10 points11 points  (3 children)

        I've been matching on 90% of my swipe-rights with this one (forgive my shitty attempt to crop out my face on my phone). If you're in the right place, at the right time, with the right t-shirt, take a photo. Think of your exceptional experiences as being directly tradeable for tinderella pussy.

        [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

        That's a perfect storm photo. Establishes you with an alpha male physique, with a sense of humor, being bold, in an unusual and conversation-starting setting. Great example.

        [–]lemerou 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        That was in Bangkok, right ? Maybe in 2011 ?

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          [–]lemurmort 7 points8 points  (2 children)

          So what, you put Goldman Sachs as your job or what?

          [–]themidnightfox 12 points13 points  (0 children)

          Fun fact - I actually just recently landed an internship with Goldman Sachs. Deleted and restarted my tinder after my updated my job on Facebook and I've gotten about triple the matches in way less time.

          [–]Il128 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Usually something that's good money like a local major corporation or I claim to have my own business.

          [–]jace81 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Why is it worth deleting it and starting it again? So you can match with girls who swiped left before?

          [–]Il128 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yes and by changing your first name you get lots of chances with women over and over again.

          [–]A_DERPING_ULTRALISK 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Dude this is way too much work. Is this shit your full time job?

          Plus, you're a 50 yr old man. That's like being an 18 year old girl, literally everyone you meet of similar age and opposite gender is dtf you.

          [–]vonwaferman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          What do you put in your profile text?

          [–]Il128 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I've just added my height. Normally I just use key words from the profiles I like. I toss them in to sentences like. "If you want to laugh, I'm your man"

          [–]rpman23 8 points9 points  (15 children)

          -If you're 6'0 or taller, (really 5'10 or taller and DGAF about lying), the first line of your About Me should be your height. 6'0. On a line by itself.

          I am 5'7 and every time I get asked my height I lose. Any tips?

          [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Get one pair of boots or shoes with lifts already built in. Can find them on Amazon. Tell the women you're 5'10.

          [–]fmydidgaf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          "Standing up or laying down?"

          [–]lodro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          If you don't want lifts, at least wear boots that add an inch, and use all the little visual things that make a guy look slightly (!) taller. Haircut, clothing style, muscle mass, posture, beard, etc.

          Then lie and say you're 5'9" or 5'10".

          [–]acetylcysteine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          ask how much they weigh...

          maybe deflect...

          be like... "funny story, this one time when i was getting a suit fitted..." drag it on and end it on something completely irrelevant?

          [–]Blackierobinsin 27 points28 points  (7 children)

          I'd rather be with a foreign female then try to talk to American women

          [–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 22 points23 points  (1 child)

          DING DING DING DING DING

          We have our thread winner. American women are not worth the trouble.

          [–]Galactic-Unicorn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Plated my first american recently. Holy shit is she needy. That plate will be dropped this week after one last fuck.

          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          I am not shaving for a shirtless selfie even when my abs come back out to play. I brag about my back hair, how is styled, or the new perm I got for it.

          I haven't tried tinder, mostly due to how limited online is around here.

          [–]slay_it_forward 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Do a hairy back selfie. Guaranteed 100% conversion rate. Just ask Gene Simmonds.

          [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Lol. One of my favorite online pick up conversation starters is that I'm 4'9", 478lbs, and my back hair is braided into a plant holder, but no worries, my dick is tiny. Great success rate with it.

          [–]TrimHer 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          I just started a business based on this post. Thanks!

          [–]VIICHYVALOIS 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          Solid advice. Though I disagree with incentivizing the hamster with dollar signs.

          High net worth men have too much to lose from a gold digging, crazy Tinderella.

          My two cents though, whatever works for you, just be sure to wrap it up.

          [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Tinder girls are mostly too stupid to think that far ahead, and the ones that are that smart/jaded probably won't fuck you on the first date.

          [–]Ephidemical 11 points12 points  (14 children)

          I once did a little experiment on Tinder. First I made an account with a regular selfie (which showed my most photogenic side), a picture hanging out with friends, a picture with a nice looking girl. My bio had something generic and my height (6'0). I got around 30 matches across the time I had it active (6 months or so).

          Then I deleted it and about 3 months later I made another Tinder account. Same pics, but I changed my bio for "Swipe Right = Red Pill, Swipe Left = Blue Pill", courtesy of /u/lionofthejungle who gave me the idea with his post, and over the course of 3 months, I've roughly 60 matches in my area.

          An important detail I'd like to point out is that I had seen some girls again when I made both accounts, and when I made the first one, I didn't get a match, but when I made the second one, I got a match with at least 25% of said girls.

          Lessons learned is that you should also have something that catches their attention if you aren't too good looking (I'd say I'm a 5/10 overall).

          [–]Gawernator 2 points3 points  (10 children)

          What about a professional picture of me motorcycle racing on a racetrack?

          [–]notmyusualreddit 14 points15 points  (8 children)

          I took pictures of my friend with my bike so he can put on his tinder. He doesn't even know how to ride. He tells them he just sold it when they ask.

          [–]Gawernator 5 points6 points  (7 children)

          I've been using this one: http://imgur.com/y802qNp

          also, lol.

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            [–]notmyusualreddit 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            Nice. I use a shot of me on mine just riding down my street wearing a helmet but in jeans and boots and a tshirt. It looks a lot cooler than my aerostich. But a track shot is very cool. I might just go find a trackshot of someone on my color model bike and use it haha.

            [–]Gawernator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            hahaha, plausible deniability. Yeah thanks. I'm not sure how effective my pics are, I became RP before my current LTR and haven't really been using the apps, so I can only judge by how many fatties message me or not. lol. Too much effort to swipe tons of Tinder girls

            [–]phillyjim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I don't understand. I would assume that with a bio line like that, 95% of people would have no idea what you're talking about or just assume you're talking about the matrix.

            It's been over two years since I was on tinder but when I was using it I was getting at least 5 matches per day on average and I'm physically a 5 at best.

            [–]aherne18 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Lessons learned is that you should also have something that catches their attention if you aren't too good looking (I'd say I'm a 5/10 overall).

            This is actually a good advice, unlike that originally posted. But it's still low numbers game...

            [–]meukow 8 points9 points  (4 children)

            A girl that didn't swipe me on Tinder, liked my game on OkCupid, banged first date and been spinning for months now. (She probably doesn't even remember seeing me on Tinder how quickly she swiped away)

            I'm 6"4', 8/10 body, 7/10 face and can barely get any matches due to worst pictures ever.

            On the brightside, those that I do match actually get a better product when they meet me, cannot say for the other side...

            [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            Dude. At the very least put on a suit and set your iPhone timer and take some on your own that looks something like my example.

            [–]meukow 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            I'm 23, suit isn't something I'd wear on Tinder, yet.

            I dont really care about Tinder for now but when I move out I'll likely get some professional photos done.

            [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            That's where you're wrong. You should have the suit photo anyway. It makes the 19 year old Disney-obsessed sorority girls imagine you as a fucking Disney prince, white wedding, center of attention, etc. It makes you look rich.

            [–]meukow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Good point, I might just get one then, but definitely not as a first photo.

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            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            You really are a constructive asshole. Where the fuck have you been for the past 5 years of my beta life? Seriously this is great advice, now all I need to do is get in better shape, and possibly go outside more often to get rid of this moonlight tan I've had all winter.

            [–]WhySoRuff 5 points6 points  (3 children)

            Cmon bro, everybody knows your picture with friends should look like this

            [–]DforDeadpool 19 points20 points  (2 children)

            And your profile picture should be like this.

            [–]1thiasus 16 points17 points  (7 children)

            http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52d2ebb3e4b06f22d60562c5/5459180ae4b0168a2765aad6/54592084e4b0d8d8aa3c5e20/1415127179969/Adam-Jacobs-Mens-Fashion-Photography-Model-Suit-Photography-Freddie.jpg

            This looks like a picture of how not to put together a suit:

            • white collar over striped shirt

            • overlarge shoulder pads

            • tie the same colour as the jacket

            Its one saving grace is that the guy is a fit, professionally groomed attractive man shot professionally.

            [–]colucci 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            Good point other than the white collar over stripe shirt. I kinda dig it.

            [–]SwagYoloJesus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Blue shirts with a white collar are pretty hard to pull off, unless you're Gordon Gekko.

            [–]Alpacash 2 points3 points  (3 children)

            The tie can be the color as the jacket tho.

            [–]1thiasus 19 points20 points  (2 children)

            If you are working as a chauffeur, pallbearer or bodyguard, sure.

            [–]phillyjim 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Navy jacket, navy grenadine tie. Classic.

            [–]1RPAlternate42 7 points8 points  (3 children)

            Height:

            I drive for uber sometimes on Friday/Saturday nights. On more than one occasion the following transpires:

            I pull up to a group of people. A girl from the group approaches the window to confirm I'm the driver... And instead asks, are you tall?

            "I'm 6'1"... Is that tall?"

            Yes it is <with a smile>!. To get friends: I'll sit in the front

            Everyone gets in, female friend says, Oh... I see why you wanted to sit in the front.... A guy in the group, if there is one, her boyfriend, sometimes: <clueless> why?.

            Girl in front: oh, ignore her.

            By just saying the numbers "6, 1" made her want to sit in the front instead of in the back with her boyfriend.

            [–]1PrinceofSpades 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            No wonder I founda bunch of tinder success not too long ago... I haphazardly went for this exact photo spread and my results went from a few to a bunch overnight. Can confirm that this strategy works wonders.

            [–]trumpisafaggybeta 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I love using #2 to show off my abs, chest and biceps-- best excuse while appealing the little puerile part of a woman that finds a hot guy interacting with a pet "cute."

            [–]TheRealMewt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            So the big fix for the average guy to see success on Tinder is to not be the average guy. Honestly, I figured this would be a given by this point on a hot or not dating app.

            [–]-The-Pussy-Whisperer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Additional:

            If you're packing, either come out with another measurement right below your height, or a tasteful photo showing a bulge

            You won't regret the increased slut traffic.

            Tinder is an ad. Use it as such and provoke moist climate in her southern locales.

            [–]AnnFranklyMyDear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I'm dating a lot of girls on tinder at the moment. Had a few solid 9s. I'm 6'5 so getting matches is a piece of piss if I put my height in my profile (I'm pretty good looking too, but I am a lanky streak of piss and don't have good photos, so I don't get as many matches as you'd expect). But I don't want to talk about getting matches, I want to talk about getting laid.

            Inevitably on the first date we end up talking about tinder and online dating in general, and some of the shit they show me is unreal. Guys on tinder are losers, seriously. 45% of the matches are weird and creepy. 45% are dick pics. The other 10% are split between nice guys and redpillers/people who actually know how to talk to women.

            If you're red pill, there is hardly any competition out there. Tinder guys suck with women. REALLY REALLY SUCK. If you're not red pill and lacking a bit of confidence, just practice. I only started with tinder 6 months ago and had no fucking idea what I was doing. It was hard at first, but once you get the basics figured out it's a piece of piss to get a date. Find a good opener, ask lots of questions, then after a few days tell them to give you their number (don't ask for it, this is important) - after that getting a date is easy unless you're a weirdo. "So when are you gonna buy me a drink?" etc.

            tl;dr if you can get matches but struggle actually getting laid, take solace in the fact that 95% of tinder men are fucking shit at tinder. By virtue of even being here on TRP you are probably in the top 10%

            [–]Cracadoo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            This is gold, thanks. I remade my tinder profile with these things in mind, and I got a match in like 5 minutes. All i did was deleting all but the best pictures and some text, smart as it was. Thanks again

            [–]littleboyredpill 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            I cannot stress the good photo bit enough. I run Tinder headshot deals once in a while for $100 and they do really well. I always here how much better luck they replace their photo. I also make them delete their account and start fresh, missing out on lots of swipes before they figured it out.

            [–]colucci 16 points17 points  (0 children)

            "You guys suck at Tinder!" proceed to give the same advice everyone gives around TRP.

            [–]cheeky--kunt 6 points7 points  (5 children)

            If I had hundreds for quality photographer, I would use it for HB9 escort with 100% success rate rather than just "trying" to impress tinder sluts.

            Also, if you have 8/10 body, your face gets attractive too. Less fat on cheeks, jaw starts to look sharp, etc.. 5/10 face means the breakpoint between one lazy eye and two lazy eyes.

            But still solid post. upvoted

            [–]finalfantasybrownies 14 points15 points  (1 child)

            Take a picture with the escort, 2 birds stoned at once.

            [–]cheeky--kunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Actually that is good idea. you pay her for half hour shagging and half hour taking professional photos, like the OP suggested.

            [–]DumbledoresFerrari 13 points14 points  (2 children)

            1 night with 1 girl instead of potentially many nights with many girls?

            [–]Modge17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I've been meaning to restart my Tinder, this seems like a solid starting point, so cheers! I'll see how the shirtless mirror selfie works for me, I don't usually write a bio but will try the 6'0 statement (I'm 5'10 but who cares) will probably follow up with my observations!

            [–]magikmausi 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            I'm 5'7". Can pass off as 5'8"-5'9" based on footwear and because I have good proportions and broad shoulders.

            What should be my approach? Amplify? State directly on my bio - "I'm 5'7". Deal with it"?

            [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            No, that comes off as defensive. Just don't list your height, put a cocky/funny one-liner in there instead.

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              [–]Snazzy_Serval 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              I'm 5'5, should I mention height at all?

              [–]Apexk9 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              My 6 pictures on tinder.

              1 suit jacket with a Henley and nice jeans red shoes walking my dog

              2 full suit

              3 playing tug with my dog showing muscles

              4 group shot ( went to some young kids (I'm 30) said I was on a scavenger hunt and if they wanna take a picture made the men do stupid faces and the women do sexy faces.

              5 hot chick

              6 cute pic of dog.

              [–]johnchapel 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              Good fucking god. An amazing post in a sea of TRP tourist bullshit.

              Somebody should give you gold for this.

              [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

              gold for what, it's just giving revenue to this increasingly feminist site for imaginary internet points. special internet points.

              [–]abdada 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              My Tinder trial was one photo that was a shadow of me holding a gal up at the beach. You couldn't see us, just the shadow cast. It showed off my physique really well.

              My height: 68cm. Girls can't measure, lol. They'd message me from the pic and ask "how tall is that?" and I'd ignore the question and change direction.

              Worked really well. It's a magic photo.

              [–]FlorentinoDimision 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Oh yeah that 2 ft 2 inch physique

              [–]gg249 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              if you are 68cm (thats like 2ft) tall, i dont think you can hide that shit with a creative pic amigo

              [–]abdada 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Women can't measure. Tell her your dick is 12" long she can't tell.

              I've told gals I'm 5 decimeters tall. Dumbfounded stares and some of them are engineers, lol.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is a good post, thank you for sharing.

              [–]SmilingWatermelon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Awesome post dude. Im gonna try all these tips and see how I do. You..Wouldn't happen to still be doing retouching would you?

              [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Sometimes. Send me one and if I get a second I'll take a look.

              [–]SunnyHillside 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Female here. I agree. Most pictures are complete garbage. I can't believe some men get any swipes at all. However I'm picky about smiling. If every picture is the same headshot of you with your resting B face I'm going to assume you are boring and short. Also be careful about the pictures with women. Some women see it as a threat, especially if they are model hot. Just the 2cents of ONE chic.

              [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              People disagree on this, but I agree that men should smile in at least one photo.

              The exception is dudes with really bad teeth or adult braces. They should smile with no teeth.

              [–]-ArchitectOfThought- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Your perception of the average man, his troubles, and who it is on tinder who actually needs help are wildly uncalibrated.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Oh god thank you for this, now i know what to post!!!

              [–]vonwaferman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              What about the profile text?

              [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Almost irrelevant- if your pics give her tingles it's a swipe right. If not you're out.

              You can help your case with a one liner - "FOUND: one glass slipper. If you know it's owner please let me know so I can return it to her."

              [–]taoofmojo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              [–]JDiculous 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              How do you open though?

              I rarely get any messages back from matches.

              [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              I like to comment or pick on something in her photos. "My dog wants to know if your dog is single". "That's quite an Instagram you've got there. How long does it take you to perfect a selfie?" "Your blonde hair is bangin. Is that your natural color?" Be funny and make her prove herself to you instantly. Make her come out of the gate apologizing for something in her life. Act like you're evaluating her as a life partner (even if you just want to fuck her) and Tinder is her presentation to you. Question her. Poke holes in her thesis. You are the king and these princesses are being judged for your hand.

              [–]wtg2989 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I get tons of matches on tinder but most of them never really go anywhere. I get swiped right a lot but the rest is what i have trouble with.

              [–]schwb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I don't use tinder because it's based only on looks .. for me ( a 5'7" guy, brown, black hear, brown eyes ) I don't get many girls on tinder .. I realized that I get better girls in real so I stopped using it.

              [–]SuccessIsMade 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              To add on to this, if you have a cool hobby:

              Make your first picture of you doing that hobby, or a picture with you and an industry leader in that hobby.

              I'm a local open format DJ to add additional revenue streams. My first picture is me in the booth with DJ Drama and Wiz Khalifa when I performed with them at an afterparty last summer.

              When I changed my picture from a modeling shoot I did for a local clothing company to that picture, Girls message me first all the time asking how I know Wiz etc. Luckily, I have the fortune of being able to say I actually have a business relationship with him (a college roommate does alot of his video work) instead of just telling the girls that ask about it that it was just a fanboy photo.

              [–]1constructiveasshole[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Ditto photo with the celebrity, even if it's a meet and greet or whatever. Good conversation starter.

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