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Rant/VentingThe entire system sickens me, I'm ready to opt out. (self.TheRedPill)

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It's interesting watching nature programs, you can see an insight into our animalistic behaviors that you might otherwise overlook.

For example peacocking, or other avian acts where the male has to jump around like a fucking idiot trying to look as spectacular for the female suitor as possible. He'll have to jump around, peep and make pretty sounds, his plumage will have to be looking good and possibly even his nest will be scrutinized by the female. Eventually she'll either decide to pick him or move on.

Does anyone else ever stop to think that we're that stupid fucking bird jumping around for the female?

Not only that, us American men are peacocking for the attention of some scumbag entitled American woman who is only partially interested in this real life animal near them, but instead is more focused on the myriad of validation and attention they're receiving through the phone.

The other day I was attempting to engage a woman at a bar and I noticed she was on tinder and had probably a couple dozen conversations occurring with men at once. She gave me one word, I'm-slighty-annoyed-but-will-tolerate-your-presence responses so I stopped trying to speak with her at all. But that is a microcosm of the modern woman to me. More interested in the 20 potential chad's on the phone than someone actually physical and existing next to them attempting to engage them in some sort of conversation.

Does anyone ever stop think that none of this bullshit is worth it? Does anyone else realize that the average American woman isn't worth the fucking trouble? Does anyone else ever stop to realize the entire fucking system is absolutely despicable and they're ready to completely opt-out?

Men used to go out and take what was theirs. If another men got in the way of that, maybe they'd fight it out and figure it out. Now days, we're expected to dance around like fucking fairies and pray that our woman chooses us among the horde of other dancing peacocks praying for attention, it's fucking shameful.

The entire system is absolute horse shit. Modern women are scum and are in no way deserving of the time and effort it takes to get these cunts into bed. They're just not fucking worth the effort. What is the difference between picking up some cunt from a bar or somewhere else and taking them home and fucking them, or paying some whore $200 for a fuck? Both need something, the first some attention and validation, the second some money, but in the end its all just some transaction that is occurring. I'm starting to lose the sight of what's the point of even putting in the effort to try to fuck shitty American women that can barely even tolerate your existence let alone have some meaningful conversation with them. And I mean that with my heart and soul. I really do attempt to strike up good conversation and not be some boring pouty fag, I understand why would these women want to know a guy like that, so I understand that being that annoying little bitch is not conducive to meeting cool chicks. So that said, I feel like the average American women barely tolerates my existence. Is it maybe I'm not good enough looking? Is it perhaps I don't peacock enough, I don't wow them enough, I'm too average? I'm too, gasp shall I say, beta?

I'm starting to despise the entire system from top to bottom (this is a lie, I've despised the system since elementary school but I've been trying my hardest to understand the system and work it but it's been an abysmal failure), it's been setup as a complete sham that only that top 10% of males truly benefit from. What I see is most men fooling themselves into believing they can be part of that 10% which is why they are okay with this shitty system, of course they feel they'll be on top. Reminds me of the Steinbeck quote, "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.". That's how I see me and most the men here, we think we're just temporarily embarrassed with this whole lack of women thing, and once we get in a bit of shape and some things in order it'll be all smooth sailing from there, what a load of complete fantasy bullshit that's been sold.

Well the reality is it is physically impossible for every male to be in the top 10% because by definition if we all improved together, they're would still be a top 10% among any division of people, even the best have a top 10% among their ranks. After unsuccessful after unsuccessful venture out to try to meet new women, after failure after failure of meeting women online, after failure after failure of meeting women in person, after failure after failure of trying to find cool people to get to know, I've come to the conclusion that no amount of "self improvement" will ever find me the sort of reality I'd ideally like to find myself in. I've come to the conclusion my existence is one I need to find happiness in being alone, there is no other way.

The only way to find any actual happiness and contentedness in this world is to be able to find that in yourself, not relying on any woman, person, drug, or anything else for any sort of validation or happiness and trying to be content being alone. There really is no fucking point, there is no gold on the other side of the rainbow, nobody gives a shit and there really isn't a fucking point to any of this bullshit. Reality is that which you make it and for the majority of men, reality is fucking shit.

So go out there guys, fucking peacock with the best of them! Put on your best displays for the goddess American females to pick you out and choose you, may you guys impress them all with your fancy tales of better days, fancy clothes, pretty hair styles, nice cologne and cool pictures on your fancy phones. Good luck impressing the average American fuck-tard princess, and good luck having a physical human being attempting to compete with the idea of dozens of chads waiting around the corner to bed them. Newsflash, you can't.

We're in an absolutely garbage existence currently. If you're one of the top 10% of men out there and are slaying pussy, I commend you. Understand though that going to the gym for years in a row, disciplining yourself by eating right, getting a high paying job and educating yourself isn't enough, I know personally as I've done all four. It clearly does not work for everyone, so the idea that all men here can just do a bit of self improvement and these things will come to them is another fantasy lie being fed to us, don't fucking believe a word of it.

Don't buy the bullshit, you can do literally everything listed here to try to improve yourself and it wont be enough. Good luck wasting your lives peacocking for some American trash that can't even comprehend how good they even have it. There is no hope in this country for decent men, I would like nothing less than the entirety of western civilization to fall, it's fucking despicable and needs to be reset. The entire system is absolute shit and I'd like for angry young men across the world to bring modern civilization to a fucking halt.

Fuck this world, fuck all these god damn stupid whore's, but most of all fuck all you guys who perpetrate the lie that you can better yourself and become part of this top elite tier of men who have it all. Guess what fuckers, it's not obtainable and you're all running yourselves into the grave trying to obtain something that ain't coming.

Learn to be happy being alone as that's all we're ever going to get. Anyone comments about "anger phase" can go fuck off. I've been in the "anger phase" for close to two decades now and it ain't going away, this ain't a fucking phase, it's my existence manifesting its self and coming to fruition.

edit: Thank you all for the responses, I've read them all and appreciate every one of them, from the criticisms, to the encouragement, to the insults to the pleasantries I very much appreciate you all commenting here.


[–]NaughtyFred 262 points263 points  (45 children)

After a year of trp I've come to the conclusion that...

Omega: Gets no shit sandwich, but is surrounded with the stink of others shit sandwiches, and kinda wants one of his own.

Beta: Gets a big shit sandwich, and has to pay for it.

Alpha: Gets a shit sandwich for free, it's smaller and sugar coated, but it's still a shit sandwich.

It is what it is.

[–]Dishmayhem 72 points73 points  (2 children)

Sigma: invents solar powered sex bot, gets rich.

[–]apackofwankers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's what I am working on

[–]ShitSandwichOfficial 174 points175 points  (6 children)

Glad I have your vote in 2016!

[–]SexistFlyingPig 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Giant Douche in '16!

"At least I'm not a Shit Sandwich!"

[–]thundercat_011 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you prefer rye or sourdough on your turd, Mr. Sandwich?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (27 children)

Is omega supposed to be like indifferent?

In wolf packs we refer to the omega as the absolute bottom bitch, like the lowest form of beta. All of the beta wolves will literally group together and pick on that one animal.

Warning nature takes place: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTdaWUDeGsg

[–]yaysmr 40 points41 points  (10 children)

Omegas are the completely passive bystanders. Not even trying (lack of will, lack of resources, apathy) to play the game so they can't even be said to be playing the game 'badly.'

Betas are the ones who are trying to play the game but are completely misguided as to the rules and their own role. They play the game badly and get pissed off when they aren't winning. The only people they have to take that rage out on are omegas.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Poor bastard :(

I feel sympathetic because it's not his fault that he's like that (unless an animal behaviorist can correct me). It's not like the human beta male whose shortcomings are his own doing.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

And yet one could argue that it's not even the betas fault. A man whose reality conforms him to a beta lifestyle may not know there is anything but

[–]1RPAlternate42 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But we are still animals.

The pack is making sure that low quality wolf is beaten into submission and made to know that he isn't wanted; I guarantee that many of the wolves were female too: "stop trying to make mating happen; it's not going to happen."

Sure it's not some schlubs fault if he looks like Steve Buscemi and pepper from American Horror Story had a kid, but that's what he is and many people probably won't find him attractive. Hopefully he discovers other traits and value to add to his life but from a strict physical standpoint... he lost.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I once was this wolf. Never again.

[–]Endorsed Contributordown_with_whomever 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Watching that made me realize how incorrectly we use the term "lone wolf."

The lone wolf isn't the star. The lone wolf is that guy.

[–]Bizzibodi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The "lone wolf" was in an unnatural environment...they were all caged...so the Omega couldnt just say fuck this shit and leave.

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    [–]TurgidMeatWand 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Shit what the fuck is zeta?

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    omega is what people mean by 'beta' half the time, yet they are too retarded and only know 3 letters of the greek alphabet

    [–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    i can only assume that after being hazed like that the wolf becomes a lot more brutal and aggressive, he'd probably have a twitch reflex to bite anyone who got too close from then on. i wonder if that's what happens with shooters like elliott rodgers, he's an omega that gets ganged up on, and since a human's mind tries to make sense of things, he'll come to the conclusion that the world is evil and people must be destroyed for causing him pain etc etc. some civilized human race we are...

    [–]cheeky--kunt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Sigma: goes to another shop and buys bacon.

    [–]TheEnglishman28 128 points129 points  (2 children)

    I read every word. I love a good rant, it is the most catharic thing there is other than lifting weights or punching a bag.

    [–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (28 children)

    i agree with you. roosh wrote very similar thing some time ago

    http://www.rooshv.com/men-are-nothing-more-than-clowns-to-the-modern-woman

    [–][deleted] 71 points72 points  (26 children)

    TRP itself still focuses all too much on women. Men should ignore women completely and build their life up instead, if they want to preserve their dignity. Getting rejected even once should be an absolute insult. Do you think a billionaire, actor or dictator would just take that shit? Too much beta garbage on here clowning around for a pussy hole. If you're not an alpha that gets courted by women and not the other way around then you are still truly a little BP beta faggit in my book. Spend your time building something greater. Then focus on pussy when it fights for your attention when you're top dog.

    [–]new_alpha 30 points31 points  (17 children)

    The objective of men's life is to reproduce and try to get as much hot women they can get. It's testosterone, it's running in your veins, and no matter how much you tell yourself that you just don't care about girls anymore it's still going to piss you off because you want that hot ass that just walked past you. So you keep trying, trying and trying until you die, because it is in your veins and you can't get rid of it.

    That's the reality for us men, we are caged in a constant fight for pussy, I don't even say validation but pussy, sex. We cannot simply accept it and just ignore women and live without sex.

    [–]savedarticles 31 points32 points  (15 children)

    as you get older T drops and you start thinking better and more rationally. I'd like to think we can be more than our sex drives. Great men have been able to subdue it.

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      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      I hear you. Now that I'm well into my thirties I just can't be bothered to go out anywhere near as much. And I'm constantly sickened by the horde of low quality omega women. Divorced and full of hate for their old beta, with a bunch of kids they are towing along, and never better than an HB6 anyway. But they still act like they are a prime steak. It's fucking ridiculous.

      [–]new_alpha 7 points8 points  (7 children)

      Yeah and with t dropping there comes depression, weight gain and other problems. It's not something good

      [–]savedarticles 3 points4 points  (5 children)

      that's a good point. I'm thinking of TRT but I feel like I'd lose the clarity of mind and freedom from sex drive. But, the weight gain and lethargy without it is another problem in itself. Hard trade off.

      [–]WhySoRuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      True, but their are also great men who have been great without subduing it.

      [–]Bocaj6487 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I would counter and say that the great men through history utilized their testosterone to change the world, as opposed to build a family. That was the whole idea behind the bachelor's degree.

      [–]Squeezymypenisy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      getting rejected should be an insult

      Even the top guys get rejected, but anyway people are rejected from things all the time. Jobs, loans, invitations out. Are you saying you can't handle some rejection? Just brush it off and keep moving. Even tucker max went home with his hand sometimes pre-what he is now. So how are you going to get into that top group? Plus it depends on your age.

      [–]savedarticles 8 points9 points  (2 children)

      problem is there is only so many spots at the top. there is not enough to go around. The vast majority of men will not get there. so your solution won't work for 139k of the current 140k subscribers to this sub. all they can do is train and alpha up to get a little more pussy then they do now. if they wait until pussy comes to them, they'll be waiting their whole lives.

      [–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Focuses too much on women? That's point of the sub....

      Outline how you see things happening. You get up in some corporate job then women start throwing themselves at you?

      [–]NAmember81 117 points118 points  (13 children)

      You should post this to the MGTOW sub. However, you'll just be preaching to the choir there.

      [–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (3 children)

      Hit the nail on the head. Nothing wrong with MGTOW if that's how you feel, although I'd suggest getting past the anger phase before deciding.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      We welcome you with open arms, we all dropped out of the pussy race a while ago.

      [–]CaptainObivous 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      Some of you dropped out, but the vast majority over there are just one good blowjob away from renouncing all their MGTOW ways. The sheer amount of denial on that sub is ludicrous.

      [–]savedarticles 18 points19 points  (3 children)

      yeah, I was going to reply, 'welcome to mgtow!' lol.

      [–]revtheracecar 56 points57 points  (9 children)

      This is called the black pill.

      [–]skeletonized 26 points27 points  (4 children)

      I would extend that idea into MGTOW as actually, "Taking the Black" as it is said of the Night's Watch on Game of Thrones.

      I shall take no wife, hold no lands, and father no children

      [–]Campes 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      Nice comparison. They're all pretty much MGTOW with a few exceptions. Samwell Tarly is very blue pill.

      [–]skeletonized 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      White Knight of the Black Crows for sure.

      [–]gardens4lyf 41 points42 points  (1 child)

      You make a lot of good points. There isn't room at the top for everyone, by nature. True happiness should be cultivated from inside. I'm not a huge fan of the whole mating dance thing either. That said, I disagree that it isn't worth improving.

      I love going to the gym. I love having to work out in grams how much whole-wheat pasta to put in my meal using my calorie plan and myfitnesspal. I love sparring in Muay Thai. I love reading robert greene. I love learning, always have. It was sometime ago that I realised I was still not in the acceptance phase, more the depressed stage. I was grinding but I didn't enjoy it. I realised I had to love the grind, and now I actually do. All the hardship, the adversity, the rejection after rejection. Losing the girl again and again. I span one below average plate in the year and half of redpill living. Not exactly succeeding at all this in terms of women. But fuck it I love my life anyway. You gotta do this for you, because you love you, because this is life and this is all that there is. If you wanna whine about the system that's cool. I would like to improve the system with time but first I gotta do me.

      TL;DR: don't be a negative Nancy OP, love yourself, love the grind, don't do it because you expect a reward (like lots of pussy at the end of the self-improvement rainbow). No, do it for you because you genuinely enjoy it and you realise this is all that there is now and you can either suck it up and PLAY THE FUCKING GAME or you can whine/complain instead :/ what's it gonna be? Also: travel mate, GTFO of America. I'm leaving the UK as soon as I can. Go have some fun adventures in foreign countries, I think you'll enjoy seeing some places other than america

      [–]SarsaparillaCorona 57 points58 points  (37 children)

      Have you considered moving to another country or doing something else? I promise you the women you seek are out there, I know because I've met them.

      [–]Tie5o11 48 points49 points  (31 children)

      I think this is the answer. Try Southeast Asia or Eastern Europe. I think emigration from men is one way to turn the dynamic around. If men of date-able and marriageable age leave this country, not only do they do better abroad, but the demographic changes improve the situation domestically.

      [–]SarsaparillaCorona 24 points25 points  (0 children)

      Exactly, the age of staying in your country your entire life is over, I'll be living in another country by the time I'm 30, no doubt.

      [–]peruvianlurker 13 points14 points  (10 children)

      I'd recommend Colombia, woman are pretty TRP because competition is very hard for them. What country would be best to move to? Let's make a TRP Country.

      [–]1PrinceofSpades 20 points21 points  (6 children)

      It would actually be funny as fucking hell if the top 10-20% of men in the world all just up and moved to Antarctica, and were like: "okay! any woman that is willing to put up with this frozen hellhole for the rest of their life can have us."

      [–]WhyIsYosarionNaked 33 points34 points  (1 child)

      If that man top tier men went there, it wouldn't be a hell hole, they'd turn it into paradise.

      And women would ruin it.

      [–]Lo-G 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Welcome to middle ages Vikings, semi kidding.

      [–]Whitified 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      i feel there is no TRP country in the world now.

      Kinda why the "Golden Age of Piracy" stories are so popular nowadays IMO

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        [–]zue3 17 points18 points  (10 children)

        As someone who has traveled around Asia and the middle east and is currently living in India I can tell you that the women you're looking for are already in short supply. Western media has spread it's feminazism far and wide.

        The traditional marriage/family dynamic that was the backbone of Asian countries and communities has already been eroded away. Women here are just as slutty as women in america/europe and it's getting worse with every passing decade.

        Tl;Dr: Fuck you whities for fucking up women everywhere.

        [–]Gorech1ld 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I was afraid that this is the case.

        For instance, from what I've seen, India is actually surprisingly more "progressive" than I originally thought. It seems like in certain areas, the women are essentially as feminist and stuck up as the ones in the United States. There even seems to be club scenes over there. Now, I know that it wasn't a medieval-tier society, but I didn't expect them to be this westernized at this point.

        [–]zue3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Yeah, I was honestly surprised when I moved back over here a few years ago. Most of the girls are fairly stuck up these days. Honestly, it's quite sad to see India in this state.

        [–]Steve_Wiener 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        If men of date-able and marriageable age leave this country, not only do they do better abroad, but the demographic changes improve the situation domestically.

        not really. they will just be replaced by the countless other beta doormats, gronks, and morons desperate for any muff they can get

        [–]redditalias7 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        I've got a wild fantasy of USA opening it's borders to allow SE Asian and Eastern European women to come here in droves. Can you imagine the affect? Flood the US dating market with sweet thin beautiful women. All the western independent liberated chubby girls would notice the instant drop in demand for their loose pussy's. The look on their face would be priceless when all their validation orbiters dry up.

        [–]crimsonpowder 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        I feel everything you've said here. I've gone through it. At some point I simply accepted that women were a waste of time and decided to focus on myself. I became amazing at a few things and women started getting interested. I'm not saying the same will happen to you; no one is entitled to anything in the SMP.

        I think your main problem is you're defining yourself based on how successful you are with women. Don't do that--their groupthink doesn't know how to evaluate something, especially when it's you going outside current social norms and refusing to peacock. It's stupid but that's the way it is right now.

        Given that western culture is such a debacle right now and we're seeing people's true, feral nature, everyone here should be affirmed in the fact that morality with regard to our dealings with the world is but a flimsy veneer used only to validate oneself. In short: do not be afraid of putting yourself first at the expense of others.

        [–]cazzah123 17 points18 points  (1 child)

        The only thing that really gets me is that a female can be born, and as long as she doesnt get too fat she can shake her ass for very good living.

        Look at IG models. Some of these girls are barely into their 20's and their life consists of expensive cloths and meals, jewlery, mansions, boats, pool/beach parties etc.

        They were literlly born with the biggest silver spoon imaginable in their mouth.

        Go find the male version of that. Outside of being an oil barons son it just doesnt happen.

        [–]Battle-Scars 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        I guess the male version would be the young gay male kept by the older rich gay man in a luxurious lifestyle. As long as he stays young and feminine he will get validated, just like a woman.

        [–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (1 child)

        If you're depending on Tinderellas at a bar for validation, you're gonna be disappointed. Most of these women in bars get more sex than youre ever gonna know. And they can get more anytime they want. How do you expect them to have an appreciation for any man unless he's famous?

        [–]1PrinceofSpades 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        In their worlds they are famous, just look at their phones and tell me how many people do you think she believes know and remember her? It's no wonder she wants someone famous, she "deserves" it.

        [–]tb87670 123 points124 points  (61 children)

        The anger phase is strong with this one. I'm perpetually in and out of anger phase myself and I don't think I'll ever leave it, those guys going on how they have become zen and accepted how things are they are simply admitting defeat to the feminist imperative. It's like being told you are going to eat a shit sandwich no matter what. Most of us would be pissed at that idea and then you have those guys telling you to accept and make peace with it because it's gonna happen. Nah. I'll stay pissed about the deal.

        I'll admit TRP has taught me to be a happier more productive man in this world we live in today and to ignore the lies and BS from women and feminist propaganda. Before TRP I was already seeing through the liberal leftist BS.

        but most of all fuck all you guys who perpetrate the lie that you can better yourself and become part of this top elite tier of men who have it all

        Now this part, it's not a lie you can better yourself. You can better yourself. Me, I'm likely going to have money issues the rest of my life. I see posts here about guys saying 'you can get 100k if you wanted to' no I call BS, if anyone can get it through hard work and want then lots more people would already be there. I would like to be there, oh yeah, but I'm not going to bullshit myself and say it WILL happen. But I did get in better shape, I did learn about female psychology and evolved social quirks women have, and I did obtain lots of sex with minimal effort which was one of my initial goals when I first came to TRP. I know now what women are about and that they are not worth near as much in reality as Bluepill indoctrination led me to originally believe. I now prioritize other more important things in life and don't have to give a damn about women anymore. I satisfy my sexual needs and don't have one in my home latching me down trying to take resources or time from me. A few have tried but it's not working anyway. How is that not improvement compared to being a mid-20's virgin?

        One thing about this rat race overall is even if I don't make that 100k a year barrier I'm going to try. I hunt a lot. Lots of times on animals you have to finish off will give up when badly wounded when they could continue to struggle. This is very predominant in prey species. Feral cats can have their guts everywhere from a fight with a bobcat and still claw at your boots, prey animals though when wounded lay down and sit there until they go to sleep. It's a sobering thing to witness. I do not want to be prey. If there is fight I'll still try. Life is more valuable than to just give up. If you want to go MGTOW OP then do your thing, become a hermit or whatever makes you happy and focus on that. The only person you have to please is yourself, so go for it.

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          [–]PostingIsFutile 7 points8 points  (5 children)

          Interestingly, it was the more intelligent animals (dogs, I believe) which would learn helplessness. The less intelligent ones just kept trying to get out and eventually succeeded.

          Intelligence is less useful than one might think.

          [–]Strike48 6 points7 points  (3 children)

          Yeah it was dogs. The thing about intelligence is that it's an amazing thing, but one needs to understand that not everything in life needs to be overanalyzed or over complicated by mental processes. You see it a lot with new guys. They overdo the social anxiety by over thinking it and over planning. Overanalyzing then leads to failure of action. Best to just accept the anxiety, blank through and move in. Let the natural instincts take care of the talking.

          [–]Mr_Get_Right 3 points4 points  (7 children)

          Go on. How does one start the path?

          [–]Strike48 15 points16 points  (6 children)

          I'm at the gym right now and I don't really feeling like typing too much, but personally if I was in that situation, I would invest myself in the philosophy of stoicism and beginning a process to recondition my brain. In the study regarding the scientific trials, the only way of getting the dogs to realize that there was an escape was by physically having to move them out of the shock's way. They were motivated to escape the shocks via treats and rewards, but the dogs were too fucked up mentally to even fathom the idea that there was more to the situation. At that point all their brain knew was that pain was coming and to brace for it. Nothing else. Once the people running the trial physically moved them out of harm's way, they were able to see that there is an escape after a few times.

          I guess my suggestion for OP would be to find a new environment. Move countries if he can pull the courage to. Maybe also talk to a psychologist and have them aid him. TRP is great, but right now he needs a physical being to move him via reconditioning of the brain. Reading shit online will not aid him. He's too far deep in the hole. For us, reading material helps because we haven't reached that level of narcissism and loss of hope by result of extreme decade long periods of failure as he has.. Hope that makes sense. Back to my squats.

          [–]Mr_Get_Right 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          That's a really, really solid share. I think it would benefit people if you made a post with your thoughts on it. It really resonated with me.

          Uh... I'm actually terrified. To the core. I am the person who desperately needs to grab change. But I'm scared. It's my mission to confront it. I've never left the place I was born, and I'm terrified to try. To even imagine it's possible.

          [–]Schrodingersdawg 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Is going back to monk mode a state of learned helplessness?

          No success -> lift -> still no success -> lift more, etc.

          [–]Strike48 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I don't believe so because the general idea of monk mode is essentially becoming better even if you're not out there in the battlefield. You're still studying and learning. Learning is not learned helplessness because you're still attempting to find your path. Learned helplessness would be you laying in your bed refusing to get better at anything due to past failures or uncomfortable scenarios that may have occurred to you. Essentially giving up because you don't believe that there is anything in your power to change your future outcome.

          [–]aazav 52 points53 points  (3 children)

          Yeah, I'm just not going to feed the ego of American women.

          I remember dating chicks in Dallas and it's all divorced chicks who act like they are still in high school.

          That mindset is just poison.

          There's a reason I don't go back to high school, it's because I am past it.

          [–]user_none 14 points15 points  (2 children)

          I was born and raised in Dallas, then moved away when I was 37. I know all too well of what you write. Party, party, club, club, shop, shop.

          [–]1spicy_fries 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          It's like being told you are going to eat a shit sandwich no matter what. Most of us would be pissed at that idea and then you have those guys telling you to accept and make peace with it because it's gonna happen. Nah. I'll stay pissed about the deal.

          Yeah totally! I've had friends tell me "don't anger phase."

          God damn it motherfucker. If someone is trying to shove a dick up my ass, I'm not just gonna bend over and not anger about it.

          [–]PostingIsFutile 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          A lot of people make 100k, then blow it all and more. You don't have to make that much to end up better off than they are, you just need to learn to live below your means. Very easy to do without a woman currently in your life.

          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Great comment man. Some of the lads in here are on the same ride with the money and the improvement and it's a good contrast to read from those who are in the middle of the group.

          [–]savedarticles 38 points39 points  (2 children)

          Mgtow is not about becoming a hermit though some choose to ghost entirely. most don't though. mgtow is the next logical step after taking the redpill. it's the logical conclusion.

          [–]DRHipsterFaggot 14 points15 points  (3 children)

          I think he means more that most men can't improve their way to top 10% due to genetic or otherwise unchangeable limitations of theirs. You could for example go out and get ripped but women aren't gonna want the ripped dude who is also really short and has a fucked face or whatever.

          Also, I find it very surprising that you want to argue that one can better himself, but then you go on to claim that you can never make 100k no matter what. In my opinion, this is one of the most practical goals anyone can work towards. What is stopping you from working some part time job to cut the bills while studying a trade in tech/engineering or starting a small online business?

          [–]PostingIsFutile 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Short women don't look down on short men (pun intended). Just so long as he's taller than her.

          [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          Most of us would be pissed at that idea and then you have those guys telling you to accept and make peace with it because it's gonna happen. Nah. I'll stay pissed about the deal.

          Why? If it's inevitable then there is no need to be angry. You are just creating stress.

          [–]snacks_on_a_plane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          It does not have to be stressful anger like the post by OP (although there are episodes of it). It becomes more of a focused, cold-blooded, tempered, steely resolve; to never accept the deal, to keep fighting for a better life, to be better than what the world tries to force you to be.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          yeah, it's not as if you'll be brad pitt, but unless you're fucking hideous lifting and diet will render you a pretty attractive individual and give you a huge leg up on others. Basic grooming as well. I don't think anyone here has said that you'll be the 1 percent of the 1 percent or anything, it's just a matter of maximizing your sexual attractiveness and potential

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          What is this?

          [–]DiverseFolk 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          I did learn about female psychology and evolved social quirks women have, and I did obtain lots of sex with minimal effort

          But how? TRP is so vast; where do I start my reading here?

          [–]tb87670 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          TRP sidebar talks about a few socio-evolutionary traits women have like hypergamy and solipsism and likely reasons behind them. Once TRP opens your eyes though you must go out there and see. Post-TRP I watch how women act and don't listen to what they say and seeing that gives me even more insight in how they are. Personal experience is very important, you can read TRP for years but without going out there and applying it you won't get far.

          [–]flat6turbo 6 points7 points  (11 children)

          I see posts here about guys saying 'you can get 100k if you wanted to' no I call BS, if anyone can get it through hard work and want then lots more people would already be there

          rolling my fucking eyes so hard.

          easiest way to 100k is to learn how to program computers. this industry literally pays sperglord virgin omegas, the most pathetic and undesireable of all men six figures, all just because they can type symbols into a screen in the correct order.

          but guess what? it's really hard, and requires dedication and sacrifice. so i guess you won't be doing it, then.

          [–]dear_glob_why 20 points21 points  (9 children)

          Can confirm, am sperglord omega making 140k developing websites

          edit: To actually touch on this topic, it's interesting how the field is so full of sperglords. The sacrifice you speak of is mostly in the realm of social life/skills. I spent way too much of my high school years on a computer. I'm years ahead of my colleagues and I am now a team lead at the age most people are graduating college, but at what cost? I now need to visit a subreddit dedicated to pulling bullshit out of my brain like rotten teeth and figure out how not to look at the ground and mumble when talking to a woman.

          [–]flat6turbo 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          story checks out - has programming pun in username, that pretty much says it all folks.

          [–]dear_glob_why 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          Hah! Good catch.

          Another note about the industry is that the feminist narrative is so deeply embroiled in these folks that they actively shame alpha men who program. They're called brogrammers and I always hear it as a slur against guys who left the company to go work at way better companies. Slanderous jealousy from men is pathetic and extremely woman-like.

          [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 164 points165 points  (40 children)

          I think I would have written something very similar four years ago when I was 21. So I understand this and to a certain degree agree.

          I remember being at the gym working my ass off and looking around and realizing that the women there were only putting in 25% of my effort tops. What's more is that every skinny fat sorrorstitute thinks herself entitled to a top 10% musclegod engineer/lawyer/doctor.

          I get it I really do.

          But honestly if you don't like it move to Thailand and play a different game with different rules. Otherwise your kind of a whiney bitch.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 68 points69 points  (3 children)

          OP is staring back into the abyss of humanity behind him. Can't do that. Energy/mindset is too valuable and vulnerable to lock your focus onto the dark underbelly. Got to redirect the gaze upwards and keep moving lest you fall back into the abyss.

          [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (2 children)

          It is interesting because I understood the situation from an academic standpoint, as an observer would observe a system, study it and understand it. There is a big difference between academically understanding something and truly experiencing and comprehending it.

          That rant up there is essentially a transition from understanding to experiencing and I suppose it was more shocking to me than I originally anticipated.

          I appreciate the fact that I even have an avenue I can rant into.

          [–]2kez88 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          Stop thinking so much, stop being so analytical, stop thinking theres rules, or laws, or a way society is. Go read Eckart Tolle 'The power of now'. It sounds like youre stuck in your head and you can't let go and LIVE and feel alive and be in the moment. You can't solve problems on the paradigms in which they were created. You need to go a level higher. And right now you're like a hamster running around in a maze. We're all going to die. This life is completely pointless. Even when we die, our kids will die, and their kids and their kids and then the sun is going to explode and the whole solar system is going to be nothing. There isn't a point to all of this. But this is ALL there is. So do whatever it is you need to, to try and be happy. Go move to another country, go find another job, go do something. There really is a better life than what it sounds like you're currently living. I live in Australia, which is similar to America, and there are definitely great girls out there who you have good conversations, who don't fuck around on their phone 24/7. You just have to go out enough that you find them

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          [–]1GroundhogLiberator 58 points59 points  (2 children)

          "Oh no, I don't want to get all muscle-y."

          Tell me about it, man. I remember when I was sixteen, I told my gym rat friend that I didn't want to get too bulky. He promised me I'd only get toned. But I did five sets of dumbell curls three times per week for a month and next thing i knew, i looked like Schwarzenegger.

          I cut that asshole "friend" out of my life and I haven't been to the gym since.

          [–]darkrood 15 points16 points  (0 children)

          Totally get you bro.

          Used to have a big belly and got compliment for it

          Then, I have this assfriend of mine that introduce me to some effective lower body exercises that focus slightly on my core.

          Now I have a six pack and no one likes me as a pudgy bear anymore.

          FUCK THAT JOCKY ASSHOLE.

          [–]trp_angry_dwarf 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          That musta been some fuckin grade A steroids.

          [–]Pastelitomaracucho[🍰] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

          This is it. Yeah, American women are worthless? Go find yourself one from another culture. Do it. It's incredibly fun.

          [–]catacamas 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          This. I've traveled a lot and screwed around with women from several different cultures, it really is a lot of fun.

          (I don't know if this is a general thing, but my personal experience has been that 'Western' women tend to be both the worst in bed, and the biggest princesses. I suppose I might get downvoted for that comment. Like I said, that's just my one single 'data point'.)

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Entitlement+victim mentality, plus the lie of male/female equality. It's actually contributed to the decline of women's happiness...

          [–]savedarticles 9 points10 points  (2 children)

          I love that the solution is to move to a totally foreign country where you will be preyed upon by everyone there. If you manage to fend off all that shit, maybe you can be happy.

          [–]Squeezymypenisy 9 points10 points  (15 children)

          I really want to know how old OP is, and what his game is like.

          [–]progggrammerr99 13 points14 points  (5 children)

          Some people just have a different vibe/way of speaking/acting that comes off as fake and awkward. I used to have that, i may still have it but looking back at past interactions i couldnt figure out how to become less awkward. This was two years ago, and at that time I was on add medicine that made me anxious and jittery. I shut myself off to the world and had no confidence. I think just coming out of my shell and forcing myself to speak to others really helped me change that.

          Edit:meant to post to GLOs comment but ill leave it anyways

          [–]Squeezymypenisy 4 points5 points  (4 children)

          No worries, its a good response. You could try what I did. Depending on your tolerance I used booze for awhile. Not blind drunk, but enough to edge the anxiety off. After some time I became comfortable enough not to use booze and now I can chat without it. Throwing yourself into those situations is really the best way. ADD pills can make you have intense focus, but damn do they make you jittery.

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          [–]savedarticles 13 points14 points  (1 child)

          i don't know man. It maybe a midlife crisis or the final realization of TRP, but shit gets old quick. I just can't play the game anymore. it's like presses down on my soul to have to do all this shit. I probably get a few matches a day from online and have a few women in real life vying for me. but, to move them through the process like a fucking clown, is killing me. it's like roosh and his clown article. I feel like a fucking circus act! ughh... hopefully this phase passes cause it's affecting me to have this level of realization. even if I bang them, I still have to be keeping them entertained or they ghost or jump on the next chad.

          you don't want this shit to become second nature. you'd end up a shell.

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          [–]redditalias7 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          Can confirm. Lived in Asia for about 3 years and came back to USA 2 years ago. I can't take it much longer. I mean I'm making money but beyond that I can't accept the women here and their disrespectful behavior. They treat men as disposable garbage. I think I'll head back to Asia within a year

          [–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 28 points29 points  (9 children)

          What is the difference between picking up some cunt from a bar or somewhere else and taking them home and fucking them, or paying some whore $200 for a fuck?

          Is that how much it costs in the US now? I've never used a prostitute but I know that they are much cheaper where I live (Thailand). For me, I gave up on white women years ago and now prefer Asians in general--Koreans, Japanese, Thai, and Vietnamese specifically.

          Thai hookers or bar girls can be had for as little as 700 Thai Baht or US $20 for a short time session. That's 30 minutes of fuck 'em and chuck 'em, Pattaya style. Personally I've never done it. I actually enjoy relationships. But I understand guys that are finished with American women and need an out. Here is your out, if you are ok with Asian birds.

          Here's the mindfuck: even whores here will try to play games and act like they are "choosing" you. It's funny. They can't help but be the women they are. It's in their fuckin' DNA. On the rare occasion I go out for a drink at a Bangkok go-go bar I get free lap dances and cuddle time and I don't give them anything. I don't buy them a drink, I don't bar fine them. I get a little attention and then tell them no thanks I go now. It's my power over them. They are practically begging me to take them to the nearest hotel because I am tall, handsome, in great shape, nice smile, and puud passa Thai nit-noi. I reject them and then chuckle when the 60 year old fat, smelly guys with wallets walk in to choose from the meat on stage.

          I digress. Get what you want in life. If you have to pay for it, pay for it, but come to a cheaper place like Thailand where it's cheaper to pay for it. You won't be judged harshly out here. Just don't wallow in misery in the US when you have options. Get your passport and start exploring. You have ONE life.

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              [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              Watch out though they have a keen sense for weakness and will take you for all you are worth if you do not keep your guard up.

              They are very feminine and that is why they are very open about liking masculinity. If you are a whimp they will either openly despise you or they will just cruelly take advantage of you without remorse and they won't even make their hamster jump into the wheel in order to find justifications for it.

              Also be prepared for shit-test level over 9000.

              [–]1PrinceofSpades 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Eastern Europe is closer to westernization than Asia, but it's still doable to find home-oriented girls.

              [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

              With the way you are now,your more fit to be MGTOW.And that's ok,nothing wrong with that especially since escorts are available.(To be exact,i'm MGTOW myself but i still frequent this sub more because of Protopill,Uncle Vasi & other Corporate-related stuff since both MGTOWs+TRPs can use em.)

              Your leagues more awesome than a beta cuck if your MGTOW.

              That said,now that you know how bs it is,either learn the game about exploting the peacock dance(TRP),or just say screw you all,i have escorts +alot of cash to do whatever the fuck i want(MGTOW).

              Both paths are awesome.

              [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              I really appreciated this post. From my limited understanding of the different movements, it sounds like you're mentally leaving TRP and heading to MGTOW. Which is kinda where I'm at.

              From where I'm sitting, in person interactions are now sometimes as bad as online ones. Two days ago, I took a girl on a date. At the end of it, she told me she already has a boyfriend, but she was hinting at some on-the-side action. No, I wouldn't do that to another guy. Waste of time.

              I really don't want this to sound arrogant, but I have ALWAYS wondered why I as the male, who earns more, is more athletic, more disciplined, more widely read and more socially competent, have to dance around and perform (in one sense or another) for women who objectively offer less than I do. It makes no sense to me, and it makes me almost want my libido to fade so I can forget about the game altogether.

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              [–]unicorn-carousel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              So I understand your anger. Hell, it even makes me angry sometimes if I think about it. Some of the nicest, most thoughtful guys I know will never get laid because they just arent aggressive and dont play the game. It tears me up inside sometimes, because I know ultimately their fate will be in their 30s when some washed up 5/10 who makes the first step toward them and will take them for everything they have.

              I don't speak overt RP to my WK colleagues, but almost every single one has a huge target on their back. 6 figure salary and/or 7+ figure bank account tech guys. They are coming to notice how much attention I get from the girls and how I am picky with/dismissive of them, while still being one of the top performing/trusted/lead engineers on the team. They bring up their dating life to me and I tell them sugar coated stories and use the platonic method. Bonus: the latter is total plausible deniability.

              [–]Minjaze 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              It's an elaborate dance, all of it. Are you confident? Do you work out? What are your hobbies? It's like a glorified job application.

              And from what I've seen, this is almost exclusively a male thing. We're the one who have to initiate and impress, we're the ones who have to put ourselves out there and risk rejection. Honestly, any average-looking woman could land a guy if she wanted to, yet they still complain because they can't find someone who fits their rigid standards.

              I recall talking to a (female) online friend of mine once. She told me she knows that there are dudes out there that like her, yet she wants one particular guy she cannot have and only him.

              [–]metallica11 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              The problem is that even if you tell yourself at face value "I can live a satisfactory life without this need met", you would by lying to yourself. As long as you are furthering your goals, You are going to become more confident and more sure of yourself, meeting more people, increasing your testosterone via lifting - all this is only going to magnify your need to want to fuck women.

              But sometimes, meeting those goals and becoming confident does not translate into more success with women. Call me a deviant here, but people around here overrate the effectiveness of increasing certain aspects of SMV, and underrate others. For example, going from 5/10 to 7/10 looks wise is going to be far far far more effective than going from making 35,000 a year to 150,000 year. Why? Because your wealth only matters if it is manifested somehow in outward status and most people aren't going to be driving porches and living in upscale condos at 150,000 year. You typically need 250,000+ to accomplish that. You may THINK that you have higher SMV from your accomplishments, but if you go from a 5'7" small framed indian making 35,000 a year dressing in cloose clothes to 5'7" small framed indian making 175,000 a year wearing nice clothes, you are likely not going to see a difference. Whereas your friend who is 6'2" and makes 35,000 a year who loses weight and reveals a nice frame, chiseled jaw underneath is bodyfat is going to get WAY more attention than before even if all he did was lift for 6 months

              This is why I personally advocate men to maximize their looks first, as long as they can socialize normally. If successfully, it will do most of the work for you - all you have to do is learn how to recognize the signal of attraction, lead, and escalate.

              [–]1spicy_fries 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Does anyone else ever stop to think that we're that stupid fucking bird jumping around for the female?

              Lol. Yeah. It never stops. Even the bitches you don't want to fuck are constantly judging you (useless HR Departments) while screeching "Don't ever shame me!" (judge me).

              They can dish it out all day, judge them once and the hamster freaks the fuck out.

              Women don't want a guy "who could win". They want a winner.

              Bill Burr had great bit about this. Women just stand at the finish line and ever guy that passes by, "I'll suck your dick. I'll suck your dick."

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXUtGIWy0yQ

              this ain't a fucking phase, it's my existence

              lol love it.

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                [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (4 children)

                I was at Mickey D's the other day and in the kitchen was a guy that I'm pretty sure recently got out of jail. He was at least 6'3". He had bad jail house tattoos in visible locations, including a tear drop. He looked like he had worked out in jail. He had model level facial aesthetics. I thought to myself "I bet despite this guy working here he is drowning in pussy". Then I grabbed my coffee and drove to my office job filled with scientists and engineers.

                What are you gonna do? The average woman knows that this guy would likely kick more butt to protect them than I could, would ruthlessly steal/whatever if need be, and would be thrilling. Plus, he'd likely have the lack of integrity and honor that most women share. That's my hypothesis anyways: women like dirtbags because most women are dirtbags, and they get off on someone being a dirtbag for them.

                [–]MakeEmSayAyy 9 points10 points  (2 children)

                Yeah women hate honor and they think it's stupid. It's purely a male trait.

                [–]HomoSapiensNemesis 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                This was one of the biggest realizations I had when I first took the pill.

                Women do not comprehend - other than as an abstract concept - honour.

                Once you realize that, the whole house of cards of female 'fidelity' falls.

                [–]1PrinceofSpades 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                It's because you aren't blowing it casually; you're almost certainly very cautious with your money because you're intelligent, but next time you feel like walking into a bar, loudly make an entrance, walk right up to the bartender, and yell "A glass of champagne for everyone in the house, ON ME!" Congrats, you now have every single woman's attention in the room. I used to do the free version of this when I threw big college dance parties by interrupting a DJ set, grabbing the Mic, and saying "hey everyone! Welcome to my party! are you all having fun tonight?!?" Throw in a little crowd control, for example making everyone in the room open a path for some freshman kid to get through, and I had every single woman in the room eyeballing me, even the ones currently dancing with other guys or who had boyfriends. I could literally grab one off another guy and take them downstairs to fuck without saying a word. If I tried that shit at someone else's party, I'd potentially get into a fist fight and lose a lot of social value.

                Point is, doing shit like that in the real world is a lot more fucking expensive, but it is the money side of power that makes women wet. You'd be better off just buying a hot escort for the night though, since it would be way cheaper, and any ONS you try to plate from your little stunt will be constantly expecting more crazy stunts like that so every other woman in the rooms you two enter sees your worth first and then sees the fact that she's under your arm second.

                [–]J_AsapGem 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                Hmmm have you tried flaunting your wealth? It may seem shallow but it's good bait, check out Patrice o'neal everything men own is for pussy on youtube, and the best part is minimal effort needed

                [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                Women love self-handicapping. Monetarily, this would be using money to acquire attention, resources, and power just because you can. Flaunt some of the wealth with arrogance, and they will swarm. You just use it as bait for the bangs then not give her a dime. Or you can get high class escorts directly, which is cheaper anyways, especially in latin america, the phillipines, and asian countries like vietnam.

                [–]MGTOW_player 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                Being in the US for a young man who lifts is perpetual flirtation with "anger" due to the fucked up nature of the Western, particularly American, woman. Realize it is the worst place for pussy in the world, except for maybe Saudi. Haven't been there yet. And this is coming from a dude who slayed dozens of hot bitches through college and thereafter, with a few intense LTRs with the baddest bitches.

                If you can, try to get a job in the southern US and make regular road trips/flights to Mexico. Or try to expat somewhere else.

                If you have a high sex drive and are busy with work/school then you will have to learn to cope or leave to greener pastures. Living in places with legal/tolerated p4p changes the game considerably, especially for unattached "attractive" men making good money and a healthy attitude towards women (bitches ain't shit).

                Keep working hard on yourself and try to travel if you get the means. Living abroad is even better, depending on your personality. Life is hard as is, and the overwhelmingly gynocentric nature of the US makes it near impossible to deal with at times. Not just for getting pussy, but the beliefs of the people in general. Good luck my friend.

                [–]howard333 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                I feel the same way. Modern women are such sub-basic bitches with shit personalities compared to any other generation. The bar is set very low for them, we aren't doing ourselves any favors by jumping higher. I really resent thirsty guys who say they will hit anything after a few months without sex. After the first time I felt a decent looking woman through a rubber, I was depressed at how much work men have to put in for... that. A Fleshlight with an annoying personality attached is not worth the risk and effort. At this point, it's find a unicorn who is by some miracle relatively unscathed by this society's chemical and cultural pollution and is actually enjoyable to be around, or go MGTOW.

                I took senior evolution in college and remember this of sexual selection. Female selection is generally stronger due to simple scarcity and greater material investment. Some species take that to extremes, anything with "peacock" in the name. Their females tend to be larger and stronger, their coloration pure camouflage. I asked myself whether humans are such a species, and saw we clearly aren't. Our women are frail, have prominent breasts, put huge effort into hairstyles, clothing and makeup. These dimorphisms show that men have exerted significant influence on their genes.

                I realized the myriad patriarchal traditions aren't superstitious random brutality. They are equality. A minority of women had the same kind of AF/BB mentality as the neurotic Tinderella waifs that men are still able to get hard for without Viagra: Whores. Overpriced whores are now the norm, unable to pair bond or raise children a non-abusive environment, only giving free fucks to dysfunctional and flamboyant characters (performers, criminals, and their imitators) and financially raping any stupid mark that falls in love with them.

                It's okay to be angry. We kept a lid on this shit throughout most of history by considering it something evil to be suppressed or destroyed. Now we see a society that subsidizes and encourages it. By deluding ourselves into thinking that it's just female nature to be accepted (it's as natural cancer from nuclear fallout), we're enabling it. It's too late to save the society, but we can at least take personal measures to withdraw ourselves from it. That includes recognizing it for the evil that it is, as opposed to trying to shape ourselves into the kind of clowns that fallen women like to have sex with for fun.

                [–]yomo86 17 points18 points  (5 children)

                Dude. You are a jackpot. Ripped. 6-figures. Educated. Read those again. Do you recognize something?

                All these attributes are external. You need - and you post is proof of that - I will not say game, but an inner attitude. Be a zen master when it comes to woman or a machiavllian with options.

                Is your life really all about some wet hole which cannot control its primal instincts?

                The life of a woman is all about hard alpha dick better alpha dick with money.

                There is a post on TRP called: be the skittles man. This is the right one for you.

                Remember: A woman is the cherry on your cake but damn the cake is still fucking delicious without the cherry.

                [–]1mrust 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                The skittles man refers to an old Roissy post (Chateau Heartiste). Minimal effort for maximal results.

                Advice for the OP: get out of the bar scene, put less effort into each individual approach, but do more of them. Filter girls aggressively; you haven't mastered outcome independence.

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                Thank you for the advice. It sounds very reasonable to the position I'm in and I'll try to integrate this advice into my routine.

                I agree I'm not outcome independent.

                Much appreciated.

                [–]RMK24 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                I've never been in the anger phase, and hopefully wont be because I have just accepted that being alone is better for me and I am comfortable that way too. Plus relationships are too much to deal with and i dont want to get married or have kids. If I ever decide to pursue women, they would have to be foreign and not from the U.S. but AWALT.

                Edit: If you're trying to improve yourself for others, then you're missing the point.

                [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                OP , if this warms you in any way , i agree with you just so you know. The idea is extracting the wisdom and self-improvement from both red pill and mgtow and the manosphere in general , and adapt it to you. Improve for yourself , not for women , stop pursuing them if that's what you wish , i know i did and i'm sure as hell happy without them and realize that life isn't all about getting pussy. You'll be fine.

                [–]OhMy8008 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                It's these posts that make me think God that I turned out gay

                [–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (6 children)

                Congratulations, you've been upgraded to MGTOW - TRP's final form. Everything you said is true. People on TRP are mindless gym bros who are selfish pricks. They only care about screwing fat chicks and coming on here and bragging how they snagged three HB27s bro. They don't give a shit about their cultural identity, their heritage falling apart, their country ripping apart, their mothers and daughters being brainwashed by the rootless cosmopolitan globalists who control Americas media and the board seats of every major corporation. They don't give a shit about diversity being jammed down our throats every second of every day. They don't give a shit that Americas meritocracy is dead. There are so many things wrong with our country that we need to unite and fix them. Women in our country need a collective slap to the face. These dudes want to kiss their feet while claiming they aren't giving them any validation. Hahahaha, what a farce TRP is. MGTOW is the way to go.

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                  [–]5t3fan0 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                  i think you should visit another culture thats not "western" (so no us, no canada, no rich europe, no australia etc)

                  THE WORLD IS BIG AND LIFE IS ONE south america, africa, asia... you might find better and more stimulating females here, some that you could relate and maybe interact happily with

                  (also even if you dont find them nice pussies, the world is vast and colorful and you will not see it when you're old, so you should now)

                  [–]J_AsapGem 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  I feel you bro, been like a year now for me starting to think " anger phase " isn't exactly a phase, no matter how much you Improve yourself this reality will alwAys remain garbage it's hard sometimes to comprehend how messed up this world is, and it's not even worth it, it's just ridiculous

                  [–]Benny757 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Now we're getting somewhere. I appreciate your honesty. One tenant of Red Pill I learned awhile ago is that we must first be completely comfortable being alone. Until we can be, we will not find happiness with women. Period. Men, time to go your own way.

                  [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children)

                  Older women were no different Hoss.

                  OP; look at it this way. Had you been born 30 years ago you'd never have known any of this until after you married a woman and embraced the complications thereof. Guys tend to lionize the past somewhat , without realizing that it too was injustice against men.

                  Females haven't changed much. The Tinderellas you see now are no different then the older "nice" women of yore. Difference was the 1960s young woman was taught to keep her mouth shut about the things 2016 young women openly brag about.

                  Practical example of what I mean. I flew back home to see my grandfathers funeral years back.I find out he was the 1960s Chad ; I wound up living the song "Papa was a Rolling Stone" as folks I'd never heard of before at the funeral identified themselves as being related to me via an affair during the Marriage 1.0 years.

                  It was funny seeing the female angst about his actions, both knowing what I know now and being a cocksman myself today. See he didn't have a choice- when he banged my grandma as a teenager and she came up pregnant he married her. That was it . No separation, no CS and split of custody, no court case, no plan B. He had to march her down the aisle for better or worse.

                  We men don't have that millstone.We aren't forced to wife up a girl just because we had sex with her. We aren't forced to raise kids which may or may not be ours. We aren't forced to marry and then get shamed for being "dogs" because we act on what other women want us for. We aren't forced to get married to some female Ma and Pa picked out for us.

                  We can decide whether to jump in the game or walk. We can decide using data and facts who , the what, the where, and so on to maximize our reproductive advantages even in the depths of this sinking matriarchy.

                  In short , we have options today men before us could only dream of . Including just walking away from the whole shebang.

                  [–]Knowmadik 17 points18 points  (3 children)

                  Anger phase, and that's ok brother. You've got to figure out what's best for you. Might be that you're inclined to go MGTOW, to each their own. If you can't be alpha, at least don't be beta.

                  [–]SmilingWatermelon 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                  He is justified in his rage. He sounds like he has done everything we preach to no avail.

                  Move countries OP. If it ain't working here, it'll work elsewhere. Change venues. Go out and explore life. Western women are a complete waste of time.

                  Im not a top dog yet, but when I do become one I won't have any remorse for these women that have used and betrayed my better nature. Ill only do what's best for me, you should too.

                  [–]huge_gap 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  The world is hard. Nothing is easy. Yes, things may have been better in the past. Man the fuck up. Yes, most women are shitlords. I went through a good dozen before I found a great one.

                  Suprise. It's like life: nothing is given easily and you actually have to work hard to achieve something of value.

                  Once you're done feeling sorry for yourself then make a plan for becoming the best version of yourself.

                  [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  On some days, I can totally relate. It can be tough, and at least you're setting standards for yourself.

                  I imagine you'd be able to court a landwhale or two if it wasn't for self esteem?

                  I decided to not prioritise flashing my plumage to women and focus on inner contentment. It's a lot more consistent that way.

                  [–]AreThereAnyCoolNames 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Does anyone else ever stop to think that we're that stupid fucking bird jumping around for the female?

                  Every time I'm in the disco I'll think I'm delivering my mating dance.

                  [–]Xemnas81 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Can relate but not giving up.

                  The price of my being beta was to be labeled abusive, and the damage that has done to my cinfidence can only be amended by a woman confirming I am in fact, a good person. Not even attractive, just...good. Not someone who brings pain into people's lives.

                  I fucking hate that more than any other standards they have. They can say or do whatever the fuck they want to you, and no one will call it out as abuse. You break frame once and you can be branded like I am for life.

                  [–]yaysmr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Holy SHIT do I empathize with this. The statistics are morbidly fascinating in how they show how the average male (and female, but they're not, as a gender, cognizant enough to be responsible for their actions) is completely screwed out of any sort of shot at fulfillment.

                  HOWEVER

                  Well the reality is it is physically impossible for every male to be in the top 10% because by definition if we all improved together, they're would still be a top 10% among any division of people, even the best have a top 10% among their ranks.

                  THIS is not quite true. Yes it is true that there will always be a 'top tier' no matter how good everyone else is doing. However it is still a strict improvement for every male to try and maximize their fitness. The law of diminishing returns generally means that as everyone improves, the absolute difference between them decreases because the guys on the leading edge of the curve have to work increasingly hard for lower gains. There is an upper limit to how much humans can improve, and the so the more everyone approaches it the closer everyone is grouped. That means there will be a lot of switching in and out of the top 10% on any given day or week.

                  You CANNOT forget that the top 10% is NOT a static group, there is a lot of turnover as guys in said top 10% burn out, get bored and move on to different pursuits, or external forces hit them hard. The more guys are within striking range of that top 10%, the harder it is to stay there.

                  The only factor this might not apply as well to is salary. Some guys will be billionaires and only so many people can actually achieve that status.

                  MORE IMPORTANTLY...

                  If men were actually taking it upon themselves to improve and push themselves to their full potential, there would be ripple effects in society. We'd be more prosperous, we'd have much faster growth and innovation, and men would actually be able to demand that women as a gender up their game. Its often said here that feminism is a global shit test for the male population. Males as a whole are failing it hardcore because betas are feeding it and validating it and allowing it to spread.

                  If we could coordinate sufficiently (hah!) to get more males working towards their ideal selves, then we could actually create a society that you would want to live in, or a close approximation.

                  The current system is not going to permit this, because there is not sufficient reward for the average guy to try, as you have so astutely pointed out. There will have to be some kind of shock to the system to upend the apple cart and change the incentives.

                  But I personally think the goal is worth working at for its' own sake. I'm fed up with this shit as you are, but I have to hope that I can make enough of a change that my sons (should I actually get them, ugh) won't have to put up with the bullshit I did and do.

                  Point being: the only way we'll see society improve is if men improve. Women have always taken their cues from men, and a lot of techonological/cultural developments have skewed those cues to men's detriment. We can either shoulder our natural responsibility and try and make masculinity great again, or shrug it off and walk away in disgust at the lack of gratitude shown for our efforts.

                  I won't judge you either way.

                  [–]hb8only 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Learn to be happy being alone as that's all we're ever going to get.

                  The only way to find any actual happiness and contentedness in this world is to be able to find that in yourself, not relying on any woman, person, drug, or anything else for any sort of validation or happiness and trying to be content being alone.

                  well, let me tell you a secret - even chad, who is fucking a lot of hot girls, cannot relate his happyness on them - it is basic bluepill mistake.

                  you must find emotional fulfillness in something else as women because you will always lose if you try to find it in women.

                  [–]AnInstant 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Bro u misunderstood some things so maybe I'll make it more clear for you: 1. You don't have to be in top 10% of population - u have to be in top 10% around. Girls don't have access to every man on the globe so u don't have to fight with them all. And it's not that hard - BP men are like 70% of men nowdays, so competition isn't hard. 2. We are made to extend our species. Our brain just makes us chasing girls and play fools just to get laid. But when you understand it you can try to resist it - of course sex is great, it makes us happy and lack of it makes us depressed, but we can live without it. You won't die if you won't fuck for few months. 3. Of course if you will improve enough you will be happier. You just seem to not be there yet. Find out what you do wrong and work to make it better. 4. USA isn't whole world, go vacations and rest, try other women, there are some places where you will be in top 10% just simply being American in shape. Try Asia maybe, or East Europe.

                  Of course most women aren't worth it. Fuck it. I just simply don't care, if any woman mistreat me i just smile and go away, find one who's fine and that's it. You seem to care too much.

                  [–]1Entropy-7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Roosh referred to this as "clown game" and expressed his distaste for it.

                  I have never been into the whole PUA thing, and I have never picked up a girl at a bar. I was an 18 year old virgin and then I reinvented myself. When I was 30 and I was not getting pussy, I reinvented myself again. And it has all worked out well for the last 20 years.

                  I don't have a great body or a high income or anything that you could call "game". I'm not in the top 10% of much other than IQ where I am in the top 2%. So I play my strong suit. It works for me.

                  Plus, women don't respond to anger, so get over it. Do some Zen or something. Women are attracted to men who enjoy their lives. The paradox is that if you can enjoy life without women, women will want to enjoy life with you.

                  [–]Manospherian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Hear hear.

                  With the red pill I've finally started having success with women, but I've also started to question if it's all even worth it.

                  [–]thechariot83 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  I think every man, be him blue pill or red, has had these thoughts. My conclusion is that it's just life. It's just the game. The basis of the red pill is to improve oneself and while you can't change the game itself, you can make the game a lot easier to play.

                  You're sick of being a peacock? Then make the bitches come to you. Don't sit on your branch doing that fucking dance. Our intelligence separates us. I'm sure if the peacock knew of a better way to get laid, he would do it. But instead he has to rely on biology and instinct to pass his seed. Don't be one of the 50 tools on the dance floor looking for application. Take a look around, find the girl you want to fuck and make it happen. Otherwise, bounce...don't just sit and observe in anger.

                  I agree with basically everything you said. It's a fucking shame that American women, amongst others, often seek that easy validation. With the advent of social media and the fact that every chick has it in her pocket, a few taps on the touchscreen and she's got some beta swooning over her existence.

                  But these ho's are nothing, man. Just like the beta that jerks off and plays xbox and smokes mad weed (me a few years ago) for the instant gratification, the slut of instant validation retains nothing of substance. The feeling she gets through this act is always fleeting and she's going to be always clawing and clutching at more.

                  TL;DR "If you're going through hell, just keep going."

                  [–]Trump_is_my_Daddy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                  Come to MGTOW, read some philosophy, I recommend Nietzche, Schopenhauer and Camus. Find inner peace. It's the only thing we can arrive for nowadays.

                  [–]Adolf_ghandi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  Then quit the shit that you don't like and do stuff you enjoy. Is it that hard?

                  But getting in shape is ultimately a very decent investment in your personal health. For some even mental health. You should consider that.

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                  [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                  Well the reality is it is physically impossible for every male to be in the top 10%.

                  Yup. Men are the experimental gender. If you're not top 20% at something, then you're out.

                  Happily every man can be top 20% at something because there are more than 5 different things to be good at you fucktards. Quit whining and go be awesome. There is no place in the world for weak and lazy men.

                  Good luck wasting your lives peacocking for some American trash that can't even comprehend how good they even have it.

                  This is why you work hard on yourself, you get yourself options. You don't just hand your awesome self to her on a platter to use and discard s she sees fit. You just never give her that much power or control. They don't respect it anyway, we've learned that much.

                  [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Take your money out of the banking system to crash it all. Stop feeding the beast.

                  [–]lenin1928 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Yes you're correct op. It is a meat grinder. But if you don't run the gauntlet, even if it is unfair you definitely will lose. Men who don't compete are strained out by nature since they end up without children. Men are always forced to walk alone. But there were justified privileges for men who worked hard everyday and suffered to the top. Feminism and sjw movements erased those hard earned justified rewards. There really is no answer except to solider on and continue the numbers game even if it is bullshit. Maybe through all of this men will learn to band together and stop the destructive competition for such things as women and money that keep us separated.

                  [–]RPRedhead 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Some days the bear eats you. Sometimes the bullshit is too deep. I get it.

                  I feel this way sometimes too. My only consolation is that I'm not trying to date/plate all of the western women. I'm looking for one. Or a few. Women who were born/raised elsewhere are much more feminine than most of the disgusting suburban hambeasts that make up most of American society. There are a few good ones out there but they can be very hard to find.

                  I agree with most of what OP says. I flip flop between thinking pursuit of another LTR is worthwhile or not worthwhile. Perhaps paying for sex IS the solution.

                  [–]cariboo_j 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Does anyone else ever stop to think that we're that stupid fucking bird jumping around for the female?

                  Yep. I still work out and make decent money at my job but I get what you mean.

                  Been doing monk mode for a year, got no plans to get on tinder or start "gaming" random women at the supermarket. Maybe someday in the future I'll get back into the rat race of dating.

                  If you're OK with not getting laid regularly opting out is perfectly legitimate option. Personally I've never felt more at peace.

                  [–]PostingIsFutile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Does anyone else ever stop to think that we're that stupid fucking bird jumping around for the female?

                  For a long, long time. The question to ask yourself is whether it's worth it. That's something each man will have to answer for himself.

                  [–]RP_Vergil 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  You don't have to be the top 10%, you just need to be her top 10%. The point of going out more to hit on woman is because different woman have different benchmark for the "10%" they knew.

                  It's back to the old age of barter trading, you won't know if this household will trade you the bacon you want with the eggs you have. The process can be long and daunting, hence why your focus shouldn't be on getting those poon, but working on yourself such that you'll end up lead a better life than most other males still stuck either in the perpetual self-victimizing Beta Game or the Omega males who can't seem to get out of their comfort zone.

                  [–]Izzenw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Welcome to MGTOW bro. You just evolved. IMO, MGTOW is the evolution of TRP. A Mature and experienced TRPer will one day or another go into MGTOW.

                  I realized that I was into MGTOW when I had the same Insight as you did. What is the difference between hiring a professional escort and hitting a woman at a bar? The payment method ofc.

                  You know, my problems were solved when I started into the professional escorts scene. I have even banged some low-fame porn actress. And I'm spending less than I would if I were fucking normal gals.

                  I'm out of the system. Paying directly for sex, and having time for me and for a better quality of life.

                  I'm free of this bullshit. I have choosen to be a lone wolf. I'm only afraid to be alone when I'm old... but perhaps I will die even before that. When I hit my 60, I will buy a harley davidson and cross USA and then I will see what I will do with my life.

                  [–]redsfan277 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Acquire currency. Go to foreign coutnry. Bang hoes.

                  Putting pussy on a pedestal is what got us here. The price of pussy in western world is too high. You could easily get same quality if not better laids for the price of a big mac

                  [–]NeoreactionSafe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                   

                  The other day I was attempting to engage a woman at a bar and I noticed she was on tinder and had probably a couple dozen conversations occurring with men at once. She gave me one word, I'm-slighty-annoyed-but-will-tolerate-your-presence responses so I stopped trying to speak with her at all. But that is a microcosm of the modern woman to me.

                  Who chose the timing?

                  You do... you approached based on your own interest at the moment the urge struck.

                  But she was distracted.

                  That's the true error... you didn't read the situation correctly.

                  Now let's imagine you did this differently. Let's imagine you simply realized her mind was off in fantasy land and you simply ignored her. Ten minutes later she has decided there is nothing on the phone to look at as all the drug effect of seeking has run out and she didn't find anything.

                  Now she is bored.

                  Okay, well, now is when you swoop in and lead her in your dance of conversation where you lead and she follows she actually likes it.

                  Things start to go well... this lost puppy is now following you.

                  Rather that playing the fool you become the master... but it all has to do with skilled Game.

                  Timing is everything and in some situations you just don't get a clean shot.

                  Approaching should be done when your intuition says it's the right time.

                  Sometimes you are better off seeking other targets.

                   

                  [–]1PantsonFire1234 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                  Women annoy the fuck out of me sometimes. And yes I look down on most of them. Take few of them seriously. When I date one I don't bother playing fair. But at the end of the day I enjoy my life, my friends and family and yes the presence of a woman.

                  But that is all. I enjoy them like I would enjoy a good movie or good meal. When it's done I walk out. Women pick me or they don't and I honestly don't care what reasons got them in my bed.

                  If you don't overvalue something then you won't resent it in it's absence. Get them of the pedestal and de-prioritize the bunch. Next time you won't get so angry when one of them disappoints you.

                  Women are disappointing more often than not. And when they aren't they will. Until you find that special unicorn snowflake sex robot. That one will be worth every penny.

                  [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                  Then the US (and the west) is not for you. neither the redpill, to some extent, I think you're better of with MGTOW.

                  and to add something, most of us here, in TRP, dont workout and do all that only to "please women". if somehow women started being exclusively attracted to fat men, we will still hit the gym, if women started getting exclusively attracted to losers who play video games all day, we will still strive to succeed with our careers/life.

                  getting pussy is a byproduct, but not the goal. remember that.

                  now women can think that we're "dancing and jumping" for them all they want, no one gives a shit what they think.

                  [–]Spiral-knight 12 points13 points  (0 children)

                  I want to add that there is precious little, if any solace to be found outside "The West" The issues may be a bit different but there is no escaping human nature in the modern age. There is no Red Pill promise land.

                  I have nothing to add to this conversation.

                  [–]1PrinceofSpades 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Thank you. I came to TRP long ago to better myself. It was when I stopped caring if I got laid or not, because I knew I needed to build a better me, regardless of women, for myself.

                  [–]SolarPoweredSauna 4 points5 points  (8 children)

                  For all the talk of AWALT, Hypergamy, and entitlement, there is very little discussion about how these are tendencies and not inevitabilities. Some women have been raised since birth to suppress and control these urges.

                  You just have to be discerning and learn to screen for women who are loyal, supportive, and dedicated to their man.

                  [–]2Sepean 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Yeah, I'm an animal. If "looked upon from the outside" I'm sure it seems ridiculous and pointless what I pursue.

                  But I live my life inside my head. I'm wired with instincts and desires, and they're the key to a good life. Philosophizing (read: bitching and moping) about the futility of life is not.

                  So I do the dance and make the moves that make the other dumb animals do what I want. And unlike you, I am happy.

                  You're the one wasting your life.

                  [–]frostfire1337 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  And this is why we need sexbots, artificial wombs, etc. When we have those, we win. They lose. Their games won't matter. Their headcase bitching won't matter. Their bodies won't matter. They will be worthless. And that is when they will get their shit together. Until then, I suggest we break out our textbooks, our breadboards and our arduinos. Cause this shit ain't going to make itself, that is for goddamn sure.

                  [–]SmilingWatermelon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Channel your anger. You say you've done everything you needed to but have you truly been working as hard as you say? I aim to have a body like ulisses. (May have spelt it wrong search him up) when you go out are you the best man in the room? The most socially apt? Most physically dominant? Women only want the best. Yeah it sucks ass, media makes them forget to be content with a good man but fuck it. If they are gonna be narcissistic whores then fill them with your cum and leave. Become a top male and enjoy life on YOUR terms.

                  Just enjoy the decline. As a self realized male you have an advantage. Hard work is your life now. Embrace it and forget about putting women first. If you had a passion of some sort and women were second I doubt you would've made this post.

                  Re-adjust your priorities.

                  [–]kremer5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  sounds like frustration to me. just cause you're losing, doesn't mean you should quit. get through it bro

                  [–]The_human_meshnet 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  200 dollars for a fuck? are the chicks even easy on the eyes mate?

                  [–]trp_angry_dwarf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Does anyone else ever stop to think that we're that stupid fucking bird jumping around for the female?

                  Had to stop reading here for a few minutes so I could have a good laugh.

                  That Steinbeck quote is genius! Sums up 'murkins perfectly.

                  As to the rest... Move. Go somewhere else. Try New Zealand.

                  [–]savedarticles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  "There is an epidemic of gold digging whores out there, and no one is talking about it." -Bill Burr

                  We're talking about it here!

                  [–]1PrinceofSpades 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Let it out. We've always been here for you to vent. If you have money and a gym body now, then go visit a foreign country. Go to Thailand, or the Philippines, or any SEA country, or rural China, less so south Korea or Japan but they are better for traveling worse for women, or somewhere in rural Russia or rural Eastern Europe (no, Ukraine is now waaay to popular, fuck that place). Go to those places and be the same man you are and watch how the non-entitled women treat you. Watch how they'll work hard to keep your attention because they hope you'll be the one to take them away from their situation.

                  Learn the language, impress her with it. You might even find a wife while you are off traveling for you, relaxing and stepping back from the anger that American life causes you. Go live for you somewhere else for a while, it sounds like women aren't the only cause for your stress, and you probably need a vacation away from work. Maybe take a year off. Go try joining a Buddhist temple, no lie.

                  [–]sp0radic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  The only way to find any actual happiness and contentedness in this world is to be able to find that in yourself, not relying on any woman, person, drug, or anything else for any sort of validation or happiness and trying to be content being alone. There really is no fucking point, there is no gold on the other side of the rainbow, nobody gives a shit and there really isn't a fucking point to any of this bullshit. Reality is that which you make it and for the majority of men, reality is fucking shit.

                  Came for the anger, stayed for the surprising density of content within this paragragh.

                  You are responsible for your own happiness. The more you rely on people and things for your happiness, the more you have to lose. It is already lost.

                  There is no point, and reality is what you make it. So why not give it a point? And since you've acknowledged you make your reality, get to work. TRP is a set of tools that allows men to do whatever they want with them. While anger can be useful, don't hold on too tightly.

                  [–]squidracer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I go through these spells.. I'll go mgtow for awhile and eventually start dating again..

                  Usually after hooking up with a couple chicks I remember why I gave up in the first place.. My last ex would annoy me or play games and only provided nightly sex..

                  [–]MakeEmSayAyy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  Nature programs really bring it all home for me.

                  We're fucking animals. Women want to fuck the biggest strongest most dominant alpha male. Everything they do reflects this.

                  But omg we're not animals anymore how could the 2 billion years of being alive and seeking the best DNA still affect women?

                  [–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  they didn't evolve logic and rational thought like men did. women evolved duplicity etc, ways to manipulate men. men evolved strength, conviction, cooperation, things that kept us alive since no one will take care of us the way women get taken care of.

                  [–]wolverstreets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  You obviously want to slay pussy, or find a woman to love. You're raging against the forces of nature man. Nobody ever said life was fair or easy.

                  [–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  no amount of "self improvement" will ever find me the sort of reality I'd ideally like to find myself in

                  Within the system you're describing, you could find blissful ignorance. I say blissful ignorance, because what men are doing here in this subreddit is describing the ends to their blissful ignorance. And that is the risk of it. Sure you could self improve, get your status somewhere, and marry a woman. And you have to marry her within that system, that's just how it works. So you've built up this house of cards. And maybe it will fall. But if it doesn't ever fall, then your house of cards was just as stable as a house made of stone.

                  This is your decision to make. Weigh the pros and cons and decide.

                  I've come to the conclusion my existence is one I need to find happiness in being alone, there is no other way.

                  Yes there is.

                  The only way to find any actual happiness and contentedness in this world is to be able to find that in yourself, not relying on any woman, person, drug, or anything else for any sort of validation or happiness and trying to be content being alone

                  I agree with this sentence up until the last 6 words. Imagine you wake up, you are happy, you have purpose, you have drive. What negative will a woman bring if she adds value to your life? Example, you find someone you like to fuck, and enjoy time with. If she stops adding value to your life you can drop her like a dead weight.

                  Reality is that which you make it and for the majority of men, reality is fucking shit.

                  You have the power to make yours what you want it to be.

                  Good luck impressing the average American fuck-tard princess, and good luck having a physical human being attempting to compete with the idea of dozens of chads waiting around the corner to bed them. Newsflash, you can't.

                  I'm not playing that game. My time is too valuable to me to spend it on that. Many better options to sink time into.

                  I commend you. Understand though that going to the gym for years in a row, disciplining yourself by eating right, getting a high paying job and educating yourself isn't enough, I know personally as I've done all four. It clearly does not work for everyone, so the idea that all men here can just do a bit of self improvement and these things will come to them is another fantasy lie being fed to us, don't fucking believe a word of it.

                  This goes against the majority of what I've seen with my own eyes. I'm sure if I watched you in person I could figure out what it is. Because it's definitely something.

                  There is no hope in this country for decent men

                  Yes there is.

                  I would like nothing less than the entirety of western civilization to fall

                  I hope you see that the anger phase is ripe.

                  fuck all you guys who perpetrate the lie

                  And in reality I couldn't care less that you or anyone else thinks this way. Does it affect me? Does it halt my happiness?

                  Everything I perpetrate is for someone to improve. Improvement is by definition good. Sure maybe someone has an ass for a face and it may not work for them. They can take what is useful to them and drop the rest.


                  Moving on.

                  The system you are describing is the one society created. What you find on TRP are people who are unplugging from that system. Here are some common stages: "Hey, this is bullshit, it's not working like they said it was supposed to". --- "fuck all this shit". --- "This is just the way it is". --- "what do I do with myself in my new found reality?". --- "I could add this positive thing to my life and that positive thing to my life".

                  But once you're out of that system and you understand reality, you can just live your life and do what's good for you. If you choose not to pursue women, that's your choice. But it is wrong to say that this pursuit is a failed state. Other men live their life and are able to pursue women and have them. If it's not working for you, you can diagnose the problem and look for a solution. Or you can choose not to.

                  Keep in mind how we lived 10,000 years ago and understand how much we changed. Or rather, how much we haven't. If you think it's healthy to abstain from women, you take risks with your psyche. It's your choice.

                  To be frank with you. No one gives a fuck, I don't give a fuck. I will sleep soundly. I will however offer what I have to say. What you do with it is your concern.

                  [–]profHoneybee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Understand though that going to the gym for years in a row, disciplining yourself by eating right, getting a high paying job and educating yourself isn't enough, I know personally as I've done all four.

                  It isn't enough to get you validation from women, but surely those things are all good ends in themselves? I think if you internalize this fact, it would also affect how women perceive you. You can't underestimate how women instinctively know when they've got power over you, and when they do it affects their attraction.

                  [–]redditalias7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I hear you 100% man, and I'm on the same page. I've kinda dropped out of the race and trying as far as it goes with the USA. We are starting to go the way of Japan with the shut in guys that have given up. The answer to this is to go abroad. American/Western women are the WORST. Overwhelmingly they are overweight, bad attitude, very choosy and the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

                  Go abroad to Asia, S. America, Eastern Europe...almost any country other than USA, Canada, and Australia has much much better women and you'll be valued as a man and treated with respect.

                  [–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  This pretty much sums up how women are these days man.

                  they have been told they can have there cake and eat it too. I remember talking to a fattie ( easily like 50kgs overweight if not more. she seemed like a low hanging fruit so i went for it) got her number and told her we will be hain gout at the end of the week. she just laughted in my face. ( she was a 4 at best man defo on the low hang fruit, thought she would be easy)

                  see the thing is, most women now expect Alpah males. ( or for lac of a better world High SMV man) when when they are " 4 out of 10"

                  you make a point about the women not wanting to talk to you, that is pretty much EVERYONE now a days. Thanks to the EXPLOSTION of social media no one wants to know you. you arn't on the social media there for you don't exist to them.

                  I know this, becuse I'm a Pool player, I've play pool with hobos, nobos, High class people, rich people, old people, no people, I've played them all and beat them all.

                  after class, I used to go to the univeristy bar, I challed everyone in there I could when most of the games get going. Must have tired 10 times ( didn't get very full in there, was the wrong time to go) I got 2 games, both from dudes. I think one was waiting for a firend.

                  it's the same everywhere, in local pubs and everything.

                  . I've come to the conclusion my existence is one I need to find happiness in being alone, there is no other way.

                  This is the only way to live and is good advice man. keep up the good fight man.

                  [–]alritealritealrite 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Im right there with you op. I gave up right out of high school. It took me another 3 years to find trp after that. I've gotten pretty good at being happy alone. And being celibate isn't the worst thing. I have no excuses, I just don't care. There's much more important skills (easier too) in life to master besides slaying pussy. I always weigh the effort to the reward and pussy just isn't worth it. There's better hobbies

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  I feel the same.. Ive never had success with women..but I work incredibly hard on myself..built a body that would make arnold proud..dont get in anyones business and treat people how I want to be treated..but females seem repulsed if I even look at them. Then I watch the behavior that goes on in bars /clubs of the men that get girls and its pathetic.. im not selling myself out and acting like that for the attention of some entitled bitch who would never respect me anyways.

                  So I just focus on improving my body..my wealth and my hobbies/interests..and if somewhere down the line a girl comes onto my radar..she better prove herself to ME and not the other way around.

                  But I get your whole rant..Ive felt that way for the longest time.. Finally get your shit together..and try to meet a girl..then realize your still somehow the bottom of the barrel to them because youre not their vision of what they want..not a loud try-hard type who was simply born with "better" features..

                  I just dont want to play those games.

                  [–]MeditateErrDay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  From the most primal standpoint - women are attracted to status.

                  If you don't have high status, you'll be bitching just like you're bitching now. The Red Pill is about accepting things as they really are. If you understand that attraction is NOT a choice, and that women are attracted to status, you wouldn't be ranting like this.

                  Now nod your head, say out loud "I get it now." And get to work.

                  [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  You come across as extremely bitter and jaded. I am not in the U.S but it can't be as bad as you make out. I train, hit my meals, work hard and strive to continually meet new women. To me that is success. There are decent women out there. Find them. In your journey through life you will meet shit men and women. Disregard these people and stay positive.

                  Good luck

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