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Guy on r/tinder spits truth about the brutal reality of dating. Welcome to female hypergamy 101. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by needsomehelp3211

Summary: OP on r/ tinder has been on 35 Tinder dates so far, banged a lot of them too. His time among the tinderellas has given him insight into how these girls effortlessly manipulate betas while submitting to alphas.


Here is the link. As the summary stated, dude has been scoring like crazy on Tinder the past few months, and today he decided to share a bit about what he learned regarding the true nature of women. Instead of rambling on about it, I'll just deconstruct his discoveries line by line, and together we'll appreciate the pure RedPill truth of it all:

if she has no photos showing her complete body, she is fat. if you are not sure if she is fat or not, she is fat.

Despite years of feminist tantrums and whining, men are (and never will be) attracted to unhealthy, fat women. Subconsciously understanding this harsh truth, some overweight girls turn to deception in order to get close to an alpha. They take close-ups of just their face. They take convenient "myspace angle" photos to hide the tummy and double chin. Proof that human nature is human nature. No amount of pro-fat indoctrination is going to change what men are attracted to. And these girls, sadly, understand that.

some girls go to two dates in the same day or night, when she feels like first guy is not what she is looking for, she just jump into bed with the second guy, dont be the first guy. I have had couple of girls admitting they were on the date before they are meeting up with me, the first guy buys drinks and dinner and warmed her up and I get the reward.

I'll take "branch-swinging" for $500, Alex. This is well-documented behavior straight up from the TRP sidebar. Spread some honey and get a beta to come close to you, take his money and dinner and drinks... then happily run off into the muscular arms of Brad, who invites you over to his frat where he can bang you all night. If you buy a girl dinner, you are taking the risk that she sees you as a beta meal ticket.

I usually set my dates in week days to keep weekends to myself some girls will say they need to wake up early in the morning so they cant stay long, almost all the girls say that, just ignore it or say that you also wake up early for work, it is just a standard defense mechanism, if they really like you they will make the sacrifice off sleeping little bit less just for one day.

Shit tests, anti-slut defense, call it whatever... basically, girls don't know what the fuck they want. "But, but, but I have to be back by early morning. We are definitely not having sex tonight!" she'll say proddingly while snuggling close to you at the bar after a few drinks. She just wants to know that you'll hold frame and not bend to her bullshit. Just smile, make up some witty one liner and take her home anyway. For the right guy, she'll be more than happy to wake up a little earlier next morning to get to the office.

There was a girl who was engaged, and she told me that after we slept, I felt sorry for the guy.

And of course, while you're doing all that I described above, Chuckles the Beta is sighing and staring at his watch while doodling around on Netflix. Wondering what's taking his fiancee so long. Didn't she say she was just going out to have a little fun with "her girlfraaans", and that she'd be back by 11?

TL;DR: Tinder is a raw landscape of SMV and RedPill truths. If you ever doubt what we have to say on this subreddit, go make an account and see for yourself how girls deploy hypergamy, branch-swinging, alphafuxbetabux, etc in full force.


[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 346 points347 points  (176 children)

What struck me first was the suspicious lack of any women protesting even one word he said down in the comments section. Silence can oftentimes signal the loudest voice of agreement.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 196 points197 points  (93 children)

What struck me first was the suspicious lack of any women protesting even one word he said down in the comments section. Silence can oftentimes signal the loudest voice of agreement.

It's weird. Most women and girls ALREADY KNOW everything we talk about here. They see it and live it plain as day. Sure, they lie about it, but they know it's true.

[–]Not_even_tryna_troll 110 points111 points  (85 children)

This is absolutely true.

I learned this when I asked my sister a few months ago how she would act if she was a man. What she described was TRP to the t.

[–]DarkMeds 79 points80 points  (42 children)

I had the privilege of dating a girl with absolutely zero girl-filter. I'm talking none whatsoever. Any question I'd ask consistently got straight-man-talk responses. It blew my mind at the time.

A small sample, roughly paraphrased:

  • "If he was a real man, she wouldn't even consider cheating, so don't worry too much about it"
  • "OMG you are so dumb - you're already at her place, you can basically do whatever you want at that point. Just grab her! - girls love that stuff!"
  • "LOL, let's be honest, I'm the one in control. I'm super hot and he knows it! All I have to do is send him nudes and I've got him" (and she did)
  • "I prefer older men, they're more 'mature'" (when I chuckled at 'mature') she responds with:
  • "Tee Hee, yeaaaaah, they have more money! Tee Hee"

That's just a small sample. I'd write more but I'm heading out to work. It's one thing to read the sidebar...It's something else entirely when you hear it face to face.

[–]The_BeardedGentleman 16 points17 points  (17 children)

Sounds like a hair dresser I fucked in NC. She had no filter either. Made for really interesting convos on similar topics.

[–]newls 28 points29 points  (39 children)

Out of curiosity what did she say?

[–]Not_even_tryna_troll 121 points122 points  (38 children)

My sisters a few years younger than me, but we have a good relationship and shes the only person I can talk about anything with.

One thing that stuck out to me was her view on money and how she wouldn't spend a cent on "most of these bitches." I laughed at this, but she got serious and told me to stop paying for anyone if I was. The fact that women and men both work now is enough reason to handle your own finances. Ironically, she barely spends a cent of her own, but I guess that just means she knows how to play the game from her position.

She then went on to discuss how she wouldn't bother chasing women individually and that she would want a diverse crowd of women to choose from. "Girls show their friends everything, like EVERYTHING. I just keep texts to the minimum word count."

Before I found TRP, I had a talk with her about my gf at the time and I decided to break up with my gf. My sister told me I was collecting value with my career choices and this girl was coming along for the ride and this girl would not keep up. A bit cold blooded, but the way she described it resonated with me and I found TRP 2 months later.

[–]GuruDev1000 34 points35 points  (2 children)

I never thought about how women would think and behave if they had to play the man's role. I don't know if your sister is a bit different from other women, but her answer to you was excellent. Thanks for sharing.

[–]esco_ 39 points40 points  (14 children)

See, this is a good example of a woman showing logical, rational thinking

Take note some of you dummies who claim women cannot think logically. It's commonly spouted, and some of the most ignorant and illogical shit on this sub

[–]holytrpbatman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She was being honest with her brother. She didn't use logic, she told him the truth from her vantage point. Note OP indicated his sister does not pay for much of anything. She plays the game, and simply told a male what females wish to keep on the DL. As a general rule, women don't use logic, they use feelings with an essence of logic.

[–]NidStyles 19 points20 points  (9 children)

They can when it suits their interest and are not under pressure. Otherwise, no they can't.

[–]Triple_DP 26 points27 points  (3 children)

There is a difference between inability and unwillingness. You claim it's the former, but the latter is closer to reality.

[–]zxDanKwan 13 points14 points  (1 child)

This right here.

It's not that they "can't," it's that they "won't."

[–]NidStyles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is because they can't. The tingles are a thing because they can't stay rational under pressure. This whole sub is about understanding this part of their nature and using it to our advantage ffs.

Too many of you need to read more of the sidebar

[–]WAFC 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh cool, we have white knights now.

[–]1aguy01 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is a massive difference between sitting down and reflecting on things and making decisions in the moment. Sure a woman can 'think', but in the moment she is a slave to her emotions. Most women cannot think logically in the moment.

[–]shhRP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutes, friends. TRP doesn't hold absolutely for every situation for every woman and every man. There are always exceptions to rules (especially in human behavior). Some people are wired differently.

[–]Mightyskunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My dread girl and I sometimes go out for lunch, now less than before due to wife's protest. She makes the same as I do, but has paid for all but one meal. When I take lunch at work, she sometimes slips in just as I'm about to pay and swipes her card. She asks me, "what else am I gonna spend it on?"

No unicorn, but a real good girl. Nothing's happened with us yet, but it could real easily. She has already made that clear to me.

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    [–]CarlJungler 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    Most women and girls ALREADY KNOW everything we talk about here. They see it and live it plain as day.

    I'm not so sure about this. After years of frustration in trying to call out some of these behaviors (prior to finding this community), I honestly believe that a large portion of women don't know what they're doing.

    They're just following instincts and instant gratification.

    [–]DarkMeds 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    From my experience (see above, and many others) I no longer ride the "Females only act on instincts" train. I believe they know exactly what they're doing and why, similar to how we digest and apply TRP principles.

    Women are simply better at hiding their capabilities and exploiting common male assumptions.

    They intimately follow the 3d Law: Conceal Your Intentions

    [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Interesting to note that this is probably due to ample female spaces and vicious attacks on all male spaces.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yup. Which is why we shouldn't feel bad about learning it, right? We need to gain 1 up over them, instead of them having 1 up over us.

    [–]Linrraba 34 points35 points  (3 children)

    Well, it's a hook up app. The assumption is they're there to slut up.

    [–]orangutan_innawood 32 points33 points  (0 children)

    This. It's tinder truth that applies to people who use tinder. Tinder is full of shallow slutty people who wants to fuck (and fuck efficiently), male and female. I mean, nothing wrong with being slutty, but let's not pretend it's something groundbreaking or over extrapolate, shall we?

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      [–]laughkisskill 66 points67 points  (70 children)

      There's a phrase for this.

      "Silence is the soft consent"

      [–]Linrraba 91 points92 points  (67 children)

      Just spotted a feminist comment there. Someone complaining because he bailed on a date with a girl that confessed she had fucked 7 guys in 10 dates.

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        [–]hectortamerofwhores 14 points15 points  (35 children)

        I'd complain too; 7 out of 10 are good fucking odds to turn your nose up at.

        [–][deleted]  (34 children)

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          [–]1aguy01 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          70% of the 5% of guys she swiped yes to.

          [–]chillmonkey88 22 points23 points  (0 children)

          Knighterino... of the white section.

          [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 61 points62 points  (26 children)

          See I don't think Id've bailed on her. Hickeys and an explicit admission of taking 7 dicks in 10 days? Shit, fuck ditching her. I'm bringing her back to my place, dimming the lights, cranking up the Polk speakers, popping open a fresh bottle of spiced rum, and inviting some friends over.

          We're gonna play some Monopoly, and that slut is about to become the B&O Railroad.

          [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (25 children)

          I agree with your premise on the surface, but there's a huge problem with gaming whores...

          What if the slut has STDs? You're pretty much asking for a couple if you hit that.

          [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 39 points40 points  (21 children)

          I have really, really good health insurance.

          [–]esco_ 6 points7 points  (5 children)

          what does health insurance do for herpes?

          [–]1whatsazipper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Or drug resistant gonorrhea.

          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (10 children)

          Does it cover HIV cocktails?

          [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 40 points41 points  (3 children)

          Of course it does. Obamacare does not allow exclusions for medically necessary treatment. Source, I'm a health insurance agent.

          [–][deleted] 62 points63 points  (2 children)

          Hmm..Now we can fuck all the sluts we want. Thanks Obama!

          [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (5 children)

          Do you know the odds of getting HIV from straight sex (as a man)? The CDC doesn't even list stats for it, that's how rare it is.

          [–]PotatosAreDelicious 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          The biggest spreader of HIV is sharing needles.

          [–]rpkarma 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Besides, everyone ends up with herpes sooner or later

          [–]TheRedThrowAwayPill 17 points18 points  (0 children)

          Old Arabic proverb :

          "She who doesn't protest ... gets pregnant"

          (Well, it was about livestock. But it's a euphemism for this concept)

          [–]Captain_Self_Promotr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          IIRC, it's "Silence Gives Consent" taken from the latin phrase "Qui tacet consentire", used most famously in Sir Thomas Moore's defence during the Protestant Reformation. Popularized in the book/play A Man for All Seasons.

          [–]pahispua 51 points52 points  (13 children)

          Ha, have you seen his comments on that thread? He's one of us.

          [–]Linrraba 22 points23 points  (8 children)

          Or he listen to Tom Leykis. I've heard many of those tips on his show.

          [–]KeithStone30rack 12 points13 points  (7 children)

          Tom Leykis is the man. Leykis 101, been going for over 20 years I believe.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

          Fat and ugly, keeps getting married. What an inspiration

          [–]1RPAlternate42 3 points4 points  (3 children)

          Yeah, I never understood the TRP draw to him... his words say one thing but his actions speak volumes in the opposite... and he's obese and hard to look at.

          [–]Hunter2isit 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          I think he may be a recent adopter but its hard to tell from his comment history as he has gaps in the past year.

          [–]pahispua 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Most people use alts to browse here.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Someone said "incel" in the comments. The only other place I've seen someone say that is The Rational Male.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 40 points41 points  (5 children)

          if she has no photos showing her complete body, she is fat.

          I've learned this the hard way as well.

          And you really have to watch out for that MySpace angle. I've been fooled by that angle one too many times. Full-body photo, looks so damn hot, but turns out to be a land whale.

          some girls will say they need to wake up early in the morning so they cant stay long, almost all the girls say that, just ignore it or say that you also wake up early for work, it is just a standard defense mechanism, if they really like you they will make the sacrifice off sleeping little bit less just for one day.

          Women will come up with a billion excuses not to go home with you, but if they like you, you can usually swat away the excuses pretty easily. At that point, it's just a matter of not giving a stupid answer.

          [–]Reddthrown 10 points11 points  (4 children)

          [–]other_worlds 14 points15 points  (2 children)

          Still hiding her flabby belly in every photo. I'd still hit it, but I'm in my 40s with a vasectomy.

          [–]blkav8tr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          What does a vasectomy have to do with anything?

          [–]ASK_ME_WHY_IM_EVIL 93 points94 points  (18 children)

          when a girl implies that she is broke, use caution to before you buy drinks or food, you dont have to pay for anything. I met couple of girls in a pretty bad financial shape who just go out to dates to make guys pay for their food and booze. So I would look for hints, if she admits that next couple of days she will be going to dates, just get up , pay only your part of the check and leave, you deserve better.....

          I especially love this one. My neighbor has been opening up a bit more to me lately and she shared that she is literally buying zero food or drinks this weekend because she has a date Friday evening for dinner & drinks, a date Saturday for lunch, a date Saturday night for dinner & drinks, and a date Sunday for lunch.

          She's literally eating free all weekend and all she had to do was boot up Plenty of Fish and let some dudes buy her shit. It's crazy.

          [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 69 points70 points  (1 child)

          But I thought we live in a patriarchy where women are completely disadvantaged and have the worst lives imaginable?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyZ9ss-bCUY

          [–]Lhtfoot 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          "Don't you dare ruin this for us, asshole!" ~ Womyn

          [–]magus678 33 points34 points  (14 children)

          She's literally eating free all weekend and all she had to do was boot up Plenty of Fish and let some dudes buy her shit.

          I will be totally honest, I'm totally jealous that hot women can do this.

          Sometimes when I see the amount of free shit, extreme consideration, and just overall 1st class citizen treatment attractive women get it is a little much, even as someone who is in on the joke, so to speak.

          Its like being born into old money or something. Just luck of the genetic lottery.

          [–]daprospecta 34 points35 points  (4 children)

          Don't envy it because it is short term. Could you imagine getting used to that lifestyle and then over a span of a few years, it's gone?

          [–]AlcohoIicSemenThrowe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Unless they play their cards right and marry a millionaire.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Better to have love and lost than to never have loved at all.

          [–]enjoyit7 12 points13 points  (4 children)

          Don't be jealous, you can become a TRP version of her. Even in high school I would see the older alphas spinning wealthy plates. Getting these girls for more than $20 dinners. These girls were buying these guys designer clothes and expensive jewelry. Granted some of them were the best ball players in the state but these girls didn't know a free throw from a jump shot. These girls were (are) addicted to confidence. One of the regular guys who was cut from tryouts every year ended up emulating the confidence of the ball players and had one of these girls leasing him a Range Rover. If that's the life you want it can definitely be lived.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          The trick is to up your own SMV until girls are your orbiters constantly buying you food and gifts. It's a really interesting feeling when she has one of her orbiters doing favors for you, all the while hoping to get in her pants. It's a whole new world man, things are better than ever for the top echelons of men.

          [–]magus678 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          If the girl wants to do things for me, great. I wouldn't be able to have her supplicants doing that though. Just feels too dirty.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Sometimes they insist. If some dude wants to do my laundry then whatever, I ain't gonna stop him.

          [–]javi404 50 points51 points  (17 children)

          Didn't she say she was just going out to have a little fun with "her girlfraaans", and that she'd be back by 11?

          Haha, this right here is something that happened to me many many many years ago and was the moment I went TRP without even knowing it.

          [–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (16 children)

          http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/27/girls-night-out/

          Any time your girl goes on "Girls Night Out", it's a shit test of the highest order.

          [–]javi404 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          Ha, yep. And in my early twenties I failed it miserably.

          [–]StrokeGameHusky 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          After reading that yes, yes I fucked up.

          [–]TheDialecticParadox 12 points13 points  (5 children)

          Thanks for the link. Is GNO in the red-pill glossary? If it isn't, it should be added. I'll admit I would have had no idea how to most appropriately tackle this scenario.

          [–]Lhtfoot 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          I second that: As a 33 yr old vet, I'm still not 100% on how to deal with this.

          [–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          Immediately, immediately up your value (lift, diet, immerse in hobbies, etc) and start to implement the 12 stages of Dread. Game.

          You may have to skip a couple of stages, if time is short.

          [–]TheDialecticParadox 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I guess it depends on the situation though. Girls can do the GNO while still being heavily invested in a relationship.

          My girlfriend went to a different state to visit her parents last year and went to a few parties while she was over there, one in particular on new years eve she was messaging me non-stop, rang me twice, sent me like 20 snaps, and even left the party to talk to me in private when I called her back.

          Near the end of our relationship when I became more beta, she would go out more frequently, dress more slutty, and I would get a lot less texts/snaps if anything at all.

          So compare these two scenarios and I think you'll find that GNO's aren't really a problem if you have frame and lust in your favor.

          [–]1KyfhoMyoba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          while she was over there, one in particular on new years eve she was messaging me non-stop, rang me twice, sent me like 20 snaps, and even left the party to talk to me in private when I called her back.

          I can't tell you how many times I've read on this sub of guys banging married/taken women that text or call their SO's immediately after coitus with Chad. I have a plate whose live-in BF travels for work once a month for the whole weekend. She always calls him when I'm with her. Obviously, her constant attention and focus on you is better than that when your relationship was on its decline

          This behavior is not dispositive or conclusive.

          [–]jimmAo 3 points4 points  (7 children)

          http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/27/girls-night-out/

          Can you explain to me what he means by "let her go"? I understood it as "break up with her", but then he says that if she calls you just talk normally etc. English is not my first language, can you explain this to me?

          [–]JMCastillo86 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          It means let her go to the event, but be unfazed by it (outcome independence, and abundance mentality are key here). Read the article, it's very self explanatory.

          Act like nothing is wrong, but know that in your mind you've already started to next her and move on. Do not, at any moment, show that you are jealous, possessive, or insecure. Let her hamster fester as you show indifference towards her.

          Remember, a woman’s default is to communicate covertly. When you are indifferent to her proposition of a GNO it sends the message that you are confident enough in your own ability to replace her should she cross that line.

          read the article, slowly, and take notes mon ami.

          [–]e50000 4 points5 points  (5 children)

          The way I understand it, is if your girl wants to go on a girls night out. Let her go out. Don't stop her, don't try and one up her. Be indifferent. He only mentions breaking up with her or nexting her if this is a common occurrence.

          Being a confident man means you are the type of man she will not want to cheat on.

          [–]jimmAo 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          okay, I get it now, but this brings me to another question: So what if she eventually cheats the first time she goes out? then I just continue as if nothing happens?

          [–]e50000 2 points3 points  (3 children)

          If a girl cheats on you then you hard next her.

          Edit: hard next means you break up and go no contact. She doesn't deserve an explanation or reason. Delete her from your phone social network and life.

          [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 100 points101 points  (41 children)

          On social media, always check for shared photos. They lack the photoshop and site filters. It is a reliable verification of her attractiveness.

          Transgression

          During my sophomore year in highschool, a girl, "Jessica", added me on myspace. All her close up and mid body shots seemed quite attractive, I quickly got her number. All Sunday afternoon we sent flirty texts back and forth. At the end, I suggested we 'hang out' after school.

          Afterschool I told her to meet up with me at a location. Being my virgin 15 year old self, I was definitely excited, this seemed easy. Shortly after, she texted, "Do you see me?". I look around, eager to be greeted by the hot blonde I was sure to bang, no sign of her.

          Me: "No, where you at?"

          Her: "You sure? I can see you. I'm wearing a white shirt"

          Me: (Places head on swivel) You sure? I still can't see you. Just meet me at the bus lane." (Walks to bus lane).

          For about two minutes I wait outside my bus, waiting to be greeted by my future first lay. I see a figure in my peripheral vision approaching me on my right flank, the figure speaks to me and I turn, it's a landwhale.

          Landwhale: "Hey"

          Me: "Hey, do I know you?"

          Landwhale: "Yeah, I'm Jessica"

          Me: Fuck. "Hey, whats up?"

          Jessica: "Nothing much"

          Me: "Oh my bus is about to take off, cya"

          The next morning, I get on the bus and a girl I know comes up to me and ask why I ditched Jessica.

          Me: Dude, she's fat.

          Girl: That's so mean. You're so superficial.

          Lessons Learned

          [–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 73 points74 points  (15 children)

          Another old trick: posting a pic of themselves five years and 50 pounds ago. Been hit with that one

          [–]ASK_ME_WHY_IM_EVIL 54 points55 points  (4 children)

          Chicks where I'm at are notorious for this. I got into the online dating in January / February of this year and in the short 30ish days I was trying it out I had four dates where I was caught off guard by a chick using outdated photos.

          How do you expect a dude to NOT walk out on a date when you pull some manipulative shit like that? That's basically outright lying off the rip... and if I came expecting a 6/7 out of 10 and you're a 3 what the fuck makes you think I'm going to stick around?

          [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 53 points54 points  (3 children)

          How do you expect a dude to NOT walk out on a date when you pull some manipulative shit like that?

          It's hamstering of the highest order. I don't fucking get it. They have to know that when the in-person meeting happens, her land whale-esque figure is going to be on full display.

          I chalk it up to nothing more than an up front shit test. She's shit testing you by pretty much daring you to walk away after seeing that she's fat; she's banking that most men won't have the stones to just up and leave.

          Men, have no moral compunctions about ditching these whales. They tried to begin your interaction based on a lie.

          [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          They tried to begin your interaction based on a lie.

          This is an excellent thing to keep in mind. It makes leaving a lot easier.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          It's a simple bait and switch.

          [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 88 points89 points  (1 child)

          This happened to me in a bar last year, and it's a hard learned lesson that I will never forget. I was there waiting, she walks in, and I recognize her face, but immediately realize that her pics were from about 4 years and 50 pounds ago. Luckily enough, she couldn't find me in the crowd, she went to the bathroom, texted to ask where I was at. I was already in the parking lot halfway to my car.

          Gents, no full body pic means FAT. And old pictures also means FAT. These women are narcissistic bitches who constantly snap photos of themselves every damn day. If her Tinder/OKC/Match profile has pics from 3 or 4 years ago, there's a good reason for it.

          [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 11 points12 points  (1 child)

          I had an odd variant of this. Chick had gotten a lot of tattoo work done, none of her photos indicated she had any. She didn't seem to think it mattered.

          [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Oh, but it does. That girl is cute, feminine, her skin is clear of blemishes, and has a nice rack, but then she just had to defile her skin with tattoos. What a shame.

          [–]uberpandajesus 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          I don't understand how this trick would ever work out, maybe they will get a nice guy to feel bad and buy them dinner, can't imagine things going much further than that

          [–]StrokeGameHusky 15 points16 points  (0 children)

          The last thing you want to do is buy her a pity dinner.. You won't be able to pay rent that month after the bill comes

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            [–]stargrunt6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            This legion among realtors, lol.

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              [–]Dueperdue 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              This made me laugh so hard.

              [–]JMCastillo86 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              It's so funny, because it's true.

              [–]redpilldiscourse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Where's Waldo* for the confused Americans.

              The rest of the world calls it Where's Wally, ofc, as do I.

              [–]thefisherman1961 45 points46 points  (7 children)

              Girl: That's so mean. You're so superficial.

              You: When's the last time you dated a fat guy? I don't shame you for your dating preferences, so why are you shaming me?

              [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 46 points47 points  (2 children)

              No, it's "when's the last time you dated a fat guy and sexually desired him?"

              That last part's important because a woman will have duty sex with a low SMV man to retain provisioning. To 'debunk' you, she'd have to admit to sexually desiring a low SMV male. Not gonna happen.

              [–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 16 points17 points  (1 child)

              No, it's "when's the last time you dated a fat guy and sexually desired him?"

              NO! It's "when's the last time you dated a homeless man?"

              A fat chick is as attractive to a healthy normal man as a homeless man is attractive to a sane normal woman.

              I'm talking scraggly-bearded-smells-like-urine sleeping under a bridge homeless. Don't nobody link me to that homeless NYC Chad that banged NY sluts daily for a roof over his head. Outliers don't disprove the rule.

              [–]norstar1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              You don't need the second line. Just ask the first and stare at the angry/confused mute.

              [–]TheDialecticParadox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              "Yes I am, but at least I don't need to deceive people about what I actually look like."

              [–]1RPAlternate42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Girl: That's so mean. You're so superficial.

              Me: Fine. You get fat and see how superficial YOU are.

              [–]Luckyluke23 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              ROFL I would get that shirt now just because myspace sin't around anymore.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              it technically is, but nobody uses it

              [–]The_BeardedGentleman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Had something similar happen to me during the myspace days. Chick had fully body shots and everything, but they were all really far away. I was convinced she was under 100lbs from her photos. She was so fucking tiny looking. Thought I'd be meeting a 4'11" 90 pounder or something. We finally meet up and she ends up being 5' 7" and like 180lbs if I had to guess. Her face was nice, the rest of her... was not. Went home early that day.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I don't think it's superficial to have preferences. We want what we want for Christ sake. Some men love fat girls some men don't.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Lmfao that story was funny as fuck.

              [–]Luckyluke23 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              great post man.. though the only think i will say about tinder is: if you aren't an 8 in the looks department. don't bother with it. you will get more results in the club than on tinder

              [–]Polaris382 42 points43 points  (17 children)

              Ive passed up sex plenty in favor of getting sleep. Am I fucked in the head, do I suffer from low T (physique wise it certainly doesnt appear that way)? Who knows, but damn I love to get my sleep.

              [–]Heizenbrg 57 points58 points  (7 children)

              Sex is just a short term relief, no matter how sugar coated the pussy is. Sleep deprivation on the other hand can fucking kill you if on the job or driving..

              [–]stargrunt6 5 points6 points  (3 children)

              Scientifically, sleep deprivation is no different than being drunk.

              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              I stayed up all night last night and I was fucking retarded.

              [–]stargrunt6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Yeah it turns me into a complete idiot too. Nowadays, I'll turn I'm as soon as I'm sleepy, don't care if it's 730.

              [–]1GroundhogLiberator 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              If you asked me two years ago if I'd give up two hours of sleep for the chance to fuck some girl, I'd say yes in a heartbeat. Since I started working full time and waking up at 6:00? She'd have to be pretty fucking hot.

              [–]marrio91 35 points36 points  (3 children)

              You do you. Spending the night doing what you want to do, and not what others say you should do is at the heart of this community.

              [–]magus678 9 points10 points  (1 child)

              Exactly correct.

              Most people come here because of a lack/frustration with women, and so most of the conversation is centered on that. But at its core its about learning to make yourself happy, and once you have corrected the glaring deficiencies sometimes you might find out it isn't the only thing you care about anymore.

              [–]marrio91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Yep, people see us as a hate filled group, or some odd versions of pick up artists or fedora wearing 'im so hot, bitches aint shit' type guys, and while a part of the community is that, that's not us as a whole.

              I used to spin plates way above where I was physically and mentally at the time. I didn't swallow the pill yet but just learned from a young age to not let anybody, women or men, pull bullshit on me. And while it's fun and a good time, and fucking 8's and 9's is certainly a great way to spend the days, by and large I'd rather just not. It takes energy and time away from things I'd rather be doing, things I should be doing. While I still fuck 3-5 times a week, and TRP has helped me in my views of the world and critical thinking, investing more of my time than I already do to those ends isn't something I'm interested in.

              [–]chillmonkey88 16 points17 points  (1 child)

              You need not to make excuses for sleep... if your to have strong mental and physical competence sleep is absolutely key...

              night owls that binge drink and have no self control when it comes to diet and bitch about life that always say they need sleep are the problems my man.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Yeah those fuckers are going to look 40 at 30, or worse...

              [–]Linrraba 11 points12 points  (0 children)

              In his case it would be problem. He just arrived on US and get 35 dates at age 28. I'm 29 and pass on sleep for sex easily depending on the girl. But yeah, sleeping is a good as fucking generally speaking.

              [–]stargrunt6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              The dorm playboy back in college told me "just the other day a friend asked me to sleep with her. I told her no. Why? Because I can."

              [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

              All women are like that, but tinderellas are "that" personified.

              [–]MiguelForte 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Great post. (On the 3rd paragrah, "man are *not")

              [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              It may be apropos to nothing, but reading this made me think that Cinderella bailing before midnight was really just ASD.

              After all, she wasn't going to need that dress or the carriage etc. if she stayed with Prince BetaBux now would she?

              [–]I_AMA_Naughty_Boy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              And if that glass slipper fit her so well, how did she just step right out of it?

              Beta bait.

              [–]dragonthingy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              I was really surprised that there is an r/Tinder. And then I though "Oh yeah, Reddit..."

              [–]xlspecial261 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              Quite frankly, most guys already know the things the tinder guy was saying.

              [–]magus678 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              That's an interesting thing.

              Most guys have a lot of the broad strokes buried in their psyche somewhere, because their brains work. It is basically all the contrary social programming that starts muddling the process early on and creating the sad sack we see so often.

              All of us are the result of hundreds of successful generations of sperm. Our bones know how to succeed at this.

              [–]1RPAlternate42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Monkey Brain gets over-ridden by the front, human brain. Because we depend on the human brain so much for things like language, work, etc., we try to depend on it for everything.

              What we end up listening to is rationalizations; Anytime you do something and a tickle in your head says, This shit can't possibly be right but you do it anyways... you are rationalizing (read: hamstering.)

              When the monkey brain yells louder than your human brain... listen to it.

              [–]kanji_sasahara 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              Tinder is basically our biological needs writ large. Men want to spread their seed as wide as possible "always swiping right" and women want to capture the most attractive they can manage "selective right swipe". Shit is entertaining, the downside is that always swiping right has a way of inflating less attractive women SMV. Sucks that Tinder limited the number of right swipes you can make.

              Edit: Phrasing.

              [–]musicvita25 8 points9 points  (11 children)

              Tinder is basically for me "take a shit, get a number"

              I shit 2-3 times a day. I have an autoliker app that likes loads of girls, I set that at my first shit of the day.

              By the second shit, I will browse the matches. Remove the fat and ugly ones and stick with the "manageable/hot-ish" ones. Then send out a couple messages.

              By the third shit, or next mornings you get some replies, you ask for a number and then start the whole process off again.

              Like an idiot I started dating a tinder girl, yet I nipped it in the bud before things got too serious.

              Thats how I view this app, and the people associated with it.

              I got more matches with me flexing my bicep as my main pic. I am currently losing weight to infact to an abs shot. I can't wait to see the response from that.

              From all the shits I'm taking (damn you green tea), they should be popping out soon.

              [–]jimmAo 1 point2 points  (7 children)

              If you shit 3 times a day CONSTANTLY, see a doctor, I'm not joking man.

              [–]2red4u 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Uhhh I don't know about that.

              I take 3-4 glorious, perfectly compacted, dolphin birth shits a day when I'm on my bulk. 2 on a cut.

              I don't see how you could eat 3200-3500 calories a day and not shit 3 times.

              [–]1aguy01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Actually 3 times a day is perfect. Shitting once a day is a sign that your digestive system is slow. Constipation is one of the first signs of slowing metabolism (due to excessive dieting for example) as well as other things.

              [–]4delicioustreats 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              What? I shit 2x a day too. All dat kale.

              [–]TRPrinny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              How long have you been using it and what's your count so far? I'm always curious how well guys can do on there, and it seems like you have a good system.

              [–]Sdom1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Eh, this is like a cop who thinks everyone is a criminal because that's all he deals with from day to day. While everyone has these tendencies, you will see the extreme on Tinder. Just remember that, as in most things, girls fall into a bell curve when it comes to hypergamy. Some exhibit more, some less.

              [–]snakehayter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              As much as i personally don't like Tinder, i can admit its really important to have around in the age of social media, because maybe more guys will start to wake up when they realize the importance of smv and game. A lot of my old bp friends are currently trying to start ltrs with girls they met on Tinder and its really sad, hopefully theyll wake up too.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              I like these alpha names. Chad, Brad etc. What about John_b the alpha? Chuckles the beta... should be the official beta name.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is why dating shouldn't be taken so seriously and held in such high regard a la "chasing the one" and pedestalizing-the main reason why we're all here. It's juvenile and kind of creepy.

              Every girl on earth has that slutty story that all her girlfriends know about but keep it secret. It's pretty much part of American culture at this point. The women that most of us chase are an ideal fantasy of "what a woman should be".. But truth is, most women aren't like that. Most men aren't prince Charmings either. Who cares; accept it for what it is.

              By focusing on self-improvement, raising social proof and SMV, and developing strategies and goals toward your life's purpose you will open up much more options by default. Women love good looking, ambitious, hard-working men. Those are the guys who are the "top-tier" men.

              Also, when you have a bunch of women chasing you because you're a successful good looking guy, you'll be the one doing the picking and choosing because you'll have options. Have hypergamy work to your favor.

              [–]One_friendship_plz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              I'm suspicious that you might be him. his account isn't that active and he used the word "shit tests" you just happened to have "found" his posts.

              Story can be entirely real if his SMV is good, but I don't know anyone outside of redpill who uses those words, not knocking down the story but I'm not gullible.

              The account is revived at the perfect moment to create a field report.

              [–]MMZephyr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I saw the OP in seduction, so whoever originally posted it is spreading it around.

              [–]watersign 1 point2 points  (25 children)

              i havent signed up for tinder yet.

              should i?

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 45 points46 points  (14 children)

              Only if your SMV is high and your game is as tight as a drum. Tinder is Hypergamy Disney World for women, and they're all in line to ride Big Thundercock Mountain. Don't waste your time if your game is the Dumbo ride.

              [–]Linrraba 11 points12 points  (6 children)

              So much this. I tried once but the girls were way hotter than me. No matchs even swapping everybody.

              [–]docbloodmoney 20 points21 points  (4 children)

              Think that's bad, try a city where the girls are ugly but think they are hot

              [–]Ragnobash 10 points11 points  (2 children)

              you must live somewhere in Silicon Valley.

              [–]1RPAlternate42 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Or the SF Bay Area in general.

              Fat SJWs everywhere.

              [–]metalhead4 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I've got some matches with 7-9s, problem is getting past the tinder stage.

              [–]the10thrider 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Goddamn it. As a grown ass man I still love going to Disneyland with my nieces and nephews and little cousins.

              Now whenever I go on that damn ride I'm going to be thinking;"wheeeeee here we go on Thundercock Mountain!"

              I'd compare my game to Splash Mountain, honestly. It's all Disney and fun and games and cute shit, then BAM we're all wet and screaming and having the best goddamn time.

              [–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 9 points10 points  (1 child)

              Sorry to spoil it on you. I've been in FL my whole life, went to Disney World countless times as a kid.

              The goal is to get your game to Space Mountain; keep them bitches in the dark, and never let them know which way the coaster is going to turn. That's what makes the vagina tingle.

              [–]the10thrider 6 points7 points  (0 children)

              Ahh point taken. Space Mountain is the best ride there IMHO.

              Now I've good three whole rides to ruin for myself. Next up, searching for booty treasure with pirates.

              Let's stop at The Haunted Mansion though. I don't need to be thinking about sexy times with ghosts. Or do I? That fortune teller probably has a bangin body...

              [–]Luckyluke23 16 points17 points  (0 children)

              bro if you arent a 8 with solid tight game. I'm talking, your game fits inside a decimal point. then don't bother. it's a fucking time waster. too many attention whores.

              [–]GIFtoGasm 21 points22 points  (4 children)

              I've slept with a lot of woman off there.

              I'm in shape. 28. Tatted. Above average looking. But I've struck out so many times. Your game has to be on point and you have to be attractive. Even the ugly ones have too much pride. A lot of thirsty guys must be building them up on there.

              [–]watersign 11 points12 points  (2 children)

              yea all these fucking sites are skewed so hard in favor of the female its ridiculous.

              [–]bakbakgoesherthroat 18 points19 points  (1 child)

              Pussy has always been a seller's market

              [–]rztzz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

              Not back in the day when they needed a man to support themselves.

              [–]mEatBucket 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              It's good practice even if you don't catch.

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                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                I only use Tinder for my own validation. Knowing I'm getting likes is all I want, they don't get a message out of me.

                Are you really comfortable with that? You're telling me that you need external validation and you seek it from women. That's not going to help you in the long run and is not a great habit to form around women, even in a digital space. I had to learn that too.

                [–]my_redpill_account 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                It's so fucking weird how AWALT is, yet it works. Subconsciously shit testing and anti slut/LMR is such a good way to weed out betas and ensure mating with whomever is able to maintain frame (well in short, "is alpha".) They have no idea either.

                It sucks for men but that's how you get the best chance at surviving offspring, and I guess one of the many things that kept us around.

                Slightly off topic, but your post made me think about it. Fascinating.

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