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Field ReportWhy i stopped asking for cell numbers: My RP journey (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by LucyOnTheTree

Introduction: My path of self improvement, from a beta who couldn’t speak with woman at all and was struggling in all facets of life, to a man who have a comfortable success with woman(not inceling anymore) and doing well in life. In this post i hope that my experiences will be helpful for people that are in a similar path.

Body: I used to be a disaster socially, had social phobia, but didn't felt the urge to change because, at the time, i was on a LTR with a HB7 i met on internet(shame on me), basically was "happy" on the matrix. Well she eventually cheated on me with a friend of mine that i introduced to her. I was so blue pilled that even after that i made effort to be her friend, she would humiliate me telling how much better the guy was than me, how she loved the sex with him... i feel shame and anger just typing that. It's bizarre to think that a girl that told me she loved and cared about me now was having fun humiliating me. Women simply can't respect betas i guess.

Anyway, 2014, i blocked the bitch and all my "friends" who sided with her, started reading tons of books and focused in restarting my life, at this time i didn't knew RP so i got into the PUA thing, started lifting and eating well(used to be really skinny).

I spent 2014 in full introspection, just working, studying and reading; it was the hardest year of my life, it hurts realizing how much reality was different from the illusion i had chosen to believe. But it was a good year, managed to enter a top 2 university in my country in engineering and made new good friends there.

2015, i wanted to put into practice all the PUA knowledge i had acquired, so i started approaching girls on the parties on my campus. It was brutal at first, my smv was so low that girls would reject me on sight, i didn’t need to talk anything to get rejected. But i kept going, i felt that at least i was facing my fears; at some point i gave up trying to pick up them, though, and, instead, just focused on having conversations with women i thought were attractive. After 4 months i was having cool conversations, not getting instantly rejected, making new friends every party, but didn’t had the courage to pull the trigger. When you are ignored by woman your whole life you start to think that it is impossible for you, but one day in a middle of a conversation a HB7.5 just kissed me. Of course i was so much happy and developed some kind of oneitis on her, but didn't dwell too much on it.

After that i started to have more success, it was not so big of deal kissing a woman in a party anymore. Sadly i had an accident where i broke my leg(tibia), that’s when i discovered RP, i loved it from the start because everything i read made sense with my back then experiences with women, spent the next 3 months only reading RP books, read the Rational Male(my favorite), Laws of Power, The Red Queen, Models, and so on.

When my leg recovered(September 2015) i went back to the party lifestyle, it felt so different, now was really rare not picking up anyone there, i would at minimum find a HB7 that wanted me, some days i would kiss 4~6 girls at the same night.

After some months of hedonism i realized that the relations were one-sided, i had to approach the girls, i had to do all the seducing, and in the next days i was the one that had to do the talk and keep conversations going, i felt that i needed to re-seduce those woman every time, you can imagine how tiring and time demanding it was. And going for the sex was really hard, i didn’t had any logistics because i was living away from home, had to share a room with other students; the only way i managed to have sex was paying expensive motels. At this time i was convinced the only reason i was not getting a lot of sex was logistics, little i knew.

2016, started a monk mode, my routine was: wake up at 6 am, had classes until 3 pm, then work till 7 pm, then English classes(English is my third language), do my calisthenics, eat then sleep. Imagine doing that for 8 months, it felt great, i felt powerful; got a raise in work, did really well at my classes, finally got my six pack and felt like i improved my English a lot -- still much to improve. This experience changed completely my view on most of the women, i would look at them and think: man, those girls don’t do 1% of what i do, all they have is looks, they are nothing compared to me. I even gave up on the idea of rushing to rent a house for me, instead i started to save money to invest on some project ideas i have.

This change of perception also drastically changed my attitude, when i finally broke the monk mode and got back into parties my approach became really different, first thing was that i didn’t bother asking for numbers anymore and genuinely didn’t care if they wanted me or not. I would say stupid things just for my fun, for example at one party i called a girl a “tower” while laughing because she was “defending” her friend from me(i was being really touchy with her), she was furious, but in the end her friend sided with me… said it was fine.

The most surprising thing, though, is that some women started to work for me, like they would be the ones asking my number now(of course some didn't ask, i didn't bother), they were the ones trying to come up with subjects in conversations, they were the ones finding logistics for sex. It was funny seeing some women being perplexed on the fact that, after having a good time with them, i would just say bye and leave. Now i would kiss then and rapidly try to escalate, things like trying to finger them in the middle of the parties, would say things like “i’ll lick you so hard that you’ll beg me to fuck you”, i really didn’t mind if they dumped me. In my first party after the monk mode i got a blowjob on a isolated part of the campus, the next week one girl invited me to go to her house when her parents were at work. And for the first time of my life i felt that the they really wanted me, they were going out of their way in sex, it was not like before where i was the one trying to please them.

Another thing that surprised me is that women started to be useful, not the time sink it used to be, for example i was needing a expensive book for a class and didn’t want to buy it, one day one woman(the one who invited me for her house, i’m still dating her, she’s really useful) gave me the book as a gift.

Now 2017 i want to keep focusing on my goals, i realize women it’s not the thing i want the most, I'm 2 weeks without answering any women in whatsapp, told them I'm busy at work. I wanna be rich and help my little brothers, so they don’t have to pass the difficulties i had to pass money-wise, I’ll keep lifting and improving my self.

Conclusion: The most important thing in this quest of being better with women was realizing that i don’t care about it that much, being free from the idea that i can’t mate helped me realize what i really want and what is really important to me. I now value more being with my bros than being with some random bitch.

Other important lesson was that working hard is the only way to get that IDGAF attitude, i tried it multiple times on the past, but the best i could do was faking it, only when i began to work really hard on my goals i realized that women where not that big of a deal and stopped caring; and how i didn't actually needed logistics in order to have sex(even though it would be good). And of course guys, lifting is really important.


[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 408 points409 points  (16 children)

I always said that becoming a red piller is like a catch 22. You do all this stuff to get woman, and be happy. But after really going through it all, you realize what's actually important. Getting woman no longer becomes a big deal. Instead, yourself becomes the big deal, and doing what makes you happy.

You come here to get laid but you leave not caring about it at all.

[–]Cunt_Robber 99 points100 points  (0 children)

This place instills wisdom, purpose, and inspires men to develop their masculinity. Totally agree with your last sentence, thats poetic af, and it's one for the blue pillers and incels to digest.

[–]tubarao312 71 points72 points  (1 child)

Red Pill - Came for the women, stayed for myself

[–]1Su-Wu_Red 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Well said. This is one of the reasons I always say life is a big joke. Or that the author of our experience (whatever it is) is a big prankster. The answers to everything are contradictory.

[–]failingtheturingtest 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true,
You'll see it's all a show,
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you!

[–]bigtuna45 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No better way to explain how I've felt lately. I'm getting approached like never before. I don't give a fuck. My goals are more important

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Women become part of the lifestyle. Pussy becomes an item on the grocery list. Goals & projects become priority.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

When you lack women, you also lack a true purpose in you life

If you had a purpose Ie. Have a goal other then making people happy and getting laid, women will gravitate to you because you will be a good mate (for their offspring) this is hard wired in them, this is why they want the best guy then can get

[–]1empatheticapathetic 9 points10 points  (1 child)

This is half true. You still need to look good, spit game, understand their games and the rest of it.

There's plenty of beta buxes out there with a mission.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, but they live in fantasy land where they will accidently bump into the "one"

While simultaneously bitch about any guy that has any success with women, even if it's their best friend that has never had a GF that finally gets one, they are insanely jealous.

And oddly I agree with women here, they are creepy, they think they own ever girl, and that her actions with other guys are despicable, all because deep down they want it to be the guy that she likes.

[–]jm51 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Some years ago, there was a piece on BBC Radio Two about a Budhhist sect in London. They were gaining converts by proposing that things like a new car or a promotion could be gained by some form of chanting.

They interviewed one convert. The interviewer was focused on the materials gains and did it happen? The guy was excited to talk about the chanting etc. but when asked if he got the car 'Oh yes I got that but the important thing was...'

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your input. What you said is what I have been feeling a lot lately.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It's funny, I think you're right. When a man reaches another level above other men, his perspective changes as he no longer views only what's immediately in front of him but also can think long-term term and in terms of long-reaching goals.

I'm beginning to see women more and more as an obstacle to devoting myself to my internet business projects and generally speaking maximizing my potential.

I hope there's a balance between women and reach one's goals to be found, but if not, then that's a short term sacrifice. One a man "makes it" he can get back on board with women, but in ways to his advantage.

[–]Overzealous_BlackGuy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm learning this about long term relationships. I have always had a hard time sticking around or keeping women, my first successful year in...and I find myself missing the time i had to myself. I had honestly planned to stay single so being with someone wasnt my intentions, but now I'm always on the fence on leaving or staying. Relationship is ideal, but I just dont think anyone but myself is good for me. It sounds self centered, but only "I" understand me.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You sound so much like me. Damn, it's not easy.

I like the idea of a relationship at times, but right now perhaps I think mini-relationships or FWB would be best.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So fucking true. After being here for almost 3 years, acquiring multiple plates, and having a lot of fun; all I want to do is focus on my major goals and aspirations. Largely, I'm starting to feel that women aren't worth the squeeze unless I need an orgasm. Just so many better ways to spend my time. But the knowledge that I can get it when I want is soothing. I no longer have an emptyness in my chest when I go to sleep at night. Now I'm just thinking about the my next workout and raise.

[–]MomentumRising 110 points111 points  (2 children)

"This experience changed completely my view on most of the women, i would look at them and think: man, those girls don’t do 1% of what i do, all they have is looks, they are nothing compared to me. "

Bro...I thought it was just me. Waking up at 6:30, hit the gym straight out of bed, and grinding to the night and repeat. Yeah it changes you.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 68 points69 points  (0 children)

The moment you start to see women for what they really are. And then, you start to appreciate them for that. And you stop expecting from them more than they're able to give. And...

It's a good place to be.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You look at life differently when you have an inner purpose, A Mission.

You value things differently, because everything is now cast in the light of how useful it is to you in achieving your Mission.

[–]mainer343 54 points55 points  (8 children)

great job I will work until i am where you are.

[–]LucyOnTheTree[S] 47 points48 points  (7 children)

You'll absolute reach your goals, just make a plan and focus on completing each day.

I won't lie for you, i felt a lot of pain and frustration during my journey and i don't expect the future to be any easier. There will be moments where you'll feel like you aren't going forward or being rewarded for your effort, you must keep going anyway. I realized that success is not linear.

If you're struggling starting i would recommend this post, i don't know the opinion of RP about this blog, but i read it recently and found it to be inspiring, i wish i had read it earlier.

[–]Frenetic_Zetetic 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I won't lie for you, i felt a lot of pain and frustration during my journey and i don't expect the future to be any easier. There will be moments where you'll feel like you aren't going forward or being rewarded for your effort, you must keep going anyway. I realized that success is not linear.

This. In my honest opinion, your ability to grind while results and rewards aren't pouring in is where it really matters most. Success (depending on industry, of course; entrepreneurs will know what I'm saying) tends to come in ebbs and flows (sales). When shit is sucking, you gotta hang in there and STAY at the top of your game. The world gives zero fucks about you. You need to put in the work when things aren't going your way. Only the resilient profit in the end.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I heard just recently from webinars and emails from men who are successful internet entrepreneurs that the important criteria of those who succeed vs. those who fail is their willingness to stay in the fight and not give up because 1) they didn't get immediate results, and 2) the inevitable struggles that come with major challenges.

Was reassuring to know that this was so important, and to know this ahead of time.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Would you really want it to get easier? Think about it. What makes you stronger, faster, capable, knowledgeable? The struggle does. The effort required to improve, survive and thrive despite adversity is what builds you.

Revel in adversity, embrace failure as a learning tool, love the way it all sucks. Achievement despite hardship is vastly more satisfying.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is definitely a clear distinction between those who acheive and those who don't - if it were easy, you wouldn't be so rare, as so few men are willing to put in the effort.

You're so right!

[–]Pepe_Prime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fascinating article, thank you.

[–]human_lament 41 points42 points  (5 children)

Nice post. I find sex over-rated. I love women, but don't love the desperation that guys to go to try to get them in bed. As a result I only date high quality women, not skanks who are so easy to get. I've turned down multiple women who didn't meet my standards. Life is easier and better that way.

As for lifting, been lifting all my life, but more for myself than anyone else.

[–]BreathOfDick 12 points13 points  (4 children)

I find sex over-rated. I love women, but don't love the desperation that guys to go to try to get them in bed. As a result I only date high quality women.

Learned this lesson this week. I live in a small town, and I guess I could be considered incel. Well, an opportunity finally came up this week. She's decent looking, probably a 6 (skinny), but she's an alcoholic with 3 kids. That made me realize that I will never choose to have sex with a woman who isn't attractive on the whole.

[–]akatsukirp 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Don't date/fuck/be friends with an alcoholic. If you find you are attracted to alcoholics you will benefit from working on why.

[–]SisyphosOnTop 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Could you elaborate on your 2nd sentence? I know it's f'ed up in general but it would be nice to see some hard grain literature on it.

[–]akatsukirp 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I don't know a book off the top of my head that speaks to this specifically, IE attraction and familiarity with alcoholics. The jist of it is. If you find alcoholics and their behavior "familiar or OK" you may have issues with boundaries, have a history of alcoholism/abuse in your family, or have never had the experience of being involved (not just LTR) with one. There's a lot to it. If you think this might be you talk to a therapist and start researching online. I'm not talking about trying to bang a drunk chick. I mean getting/being involved with one.

[–]SisyphosOnTop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the advice. Believe me or not but I wasn't talking from my experience. I've read two german books on the pua concepts years ago and educated myself in the following years. A good friend of mine got involved with a girl who turned out to be an alcoholic. He ended the encounter before she could commit himself to a relationship.

What stuck with me over the years is the concept that you attract what you are. So low-selfesteem girls cling to betas they 'can control'. As a consequence it says a lot about him too. I was just curious if there'd be more from the rp-perspective and if the pua-perspective 'evolved'.

[–]UndergoThoreau 80 points81 points  (0 children)

karate kid ain't got shit on you. Mr Miagi approves

[–]RedDeadlift 28 points29 points  (0 children)

This is very insightful post. There is a huge difference between acting like you DNGAF and really absolutely DNGAF. I have always been acting and get the same results as the first part of your story - getting sex but working so damn hard for it every time.

It is quite difficult (for me at least) to really, absolutely not give a fuck. I think what you said here is the key:

This experience changed completely my view on most of the women, i would look at them and think: man, those girls don’t do 1% of what i do, all they have is looks, they are nothing compared to me.

I'll believe this some of the time, but then anxiety and self defeating thoughts will creep in. My goal now is to believe this 100% of the time.

Great post.

[–]BuffaloForeskin 19 points20 points  (3 children)

These stories are inspiring. I've been trying to get out of my shitty situation for some time (depressed, unemployed and broke, in pain from being out of shape, sick of my girl). Now I just recently got a full-time job and the girl I was with left me and moved to another state. Time to wipe the slate clean go into monk mode now. These types of stories are great motivation. Thanks for sharing.

[–]Returnofthemack3 10 points11 points  (0 children)

man, take it from me, my life is utter shit right now for similar reasons, but going to the gym and working out and getting into shape makes a WORLD of difference. Dont put it off. Even if everything else sucks, the feeling you get from lifting and exercize in general is just something amazing. Adjust your diet too, obviously

[–]bowie747 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It's far more rewarding to give everything up, admit that you are nothing and start to rebuild from scratch, than continue living a half-life in the matrix. At first you are less of a man than you were in the matrix, but you are aware of what you are. After a length of hard work you will see improvement in yourself and, although still less than you were in the matrix, you can feel yourself becoming a more powerful man. A more valuable man.

Eventually you will realise that you have become more than you were in your previous half-life. In addition to this you are aware of what you are, what you've done, what you're doing, and what you will do.

I did this. I gave it all up about 2 years ago and I'm just reaching a point now where I'm more powerful and more valuable than I was before.

The sky is the limit.

[–]beguntheclonewarhas 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Top post OP, proper inspiration

Money over bitches my brothers

[–]1empatheticapathetic 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Sounds like you built self esteem through monk mode. I am hoping to try the same thing very soon once i have moved and can finally design my day. Have it all planned out already: new diet, new workout (only calisthenics due to injury), new job, new study schedule.

Thanks for the post!

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 5 points6 points  (2 children)

What prevents you from cleaning your diet and work out right now?

[–]1empatheticapathetic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was doing it for a long time but just too stressed out while living with my family (we run a business together). So no personal time ever. It's a fight to be able to do anything without being questioned "why are you doing that? It's irrelevant. You need to go do XYZ instead". So just stopped in November as I've been fighting this too long. It was causing me too much stress and could never a schedule despite what I tried.

[–]Luis_McLovin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

probably because he is moving location

[–]mcbenzene 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Been in Monk Mode for approx. 4 months and the last time I went to my psychologist she was thrilled to see how much I had improved.

[–]1v1mebruh 6 points7 points  (0 children)

good shit man, really impressive. dont look back

[–]refusewool 6 points7 points  (1 child)

So you went on monk mode and came back with all the female attention. You got more muscular and disciplined from the work routine but what else would you say changed about you in this time period that suddenly made the girls flock?

[–]1mojo_juju 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly, sounds like it was the IDGAF attitude ("don't give a fuck").

Aloofness & disregard for the sensitivities of women.

It shows them you're not a clingy vagina and know how low value women are-- therefore, it shows them you're not a sucker/chump and you're experienced enough to know their game.

versus being a beta ass supplicating bitch who pedestalizes women which demonstrates a lack of experience with them.

Women know how fucked up women are. If you show any sign of not knowing this yourself, the pussy dries up.

[–]cappingPeople 8 points9 points  (6 children)

How did you stay focused on your Monk Mode routine?

[–]LucyOnTheTree[S] 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Hey brother!

I think one of the biggest factors was that i put myself in pressure by registering in a lot of classes, paying in anticipation 6 months of an expensive English course and assuming more responsibilities in work. Basically there was no return.

After that i just focused on day by day, didn't think much actually, my only goal was completing the day.

[–]cappingPeople 5 points6 points  (1 child)

4) Create a Sense of Urgency and Desperation: The Death-Ground Strategy. - 33 Strategies of War

Take until you're desperate and finishing is the only choice you have left. Never knew this actually works but seems that to accomplish this I need external consequences. For you it was more responsibilities at work and money you'll have wasted if you failed English. Thanks.

[–]1mojo_juju 2 points3 points  (0 children)

33 Strategies of War

thx for sharing this dude.

looks awesome.

here is the eBook version (free - pdf document)

[–]Luis_McLovin 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'd love to know what is your opinion on the use of pornography and masterbation.

[–]LucyOnTheTree[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel like i get better results approaching women when i'm a few days without masturbating, somehow they can sense it, maybe because i act in a different way when my libido is at maximum.

That's it though, some friends say they feel more motivated to do things, i didn't notice it personally.

[–]metalhead4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I say it's only a problem if you feel it's a problem. I watch porn once or twice a week but I still have sex.

[–]mcr00sterdota 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Keep going man. Got any good suggestions for books?

[–]LucyOnTheTree[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Thanks man!

Depends on the subject, but this one is a must for everyone imo.

[–]mcr00sterdota 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And what's this The Red Queen you're talking about. Never heard of it, who's the author?

[–]LucyOnTheTree[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Matt Ridley.

It's a book where the author examine the human nature from the point of view of evolution. He tries to answer questions like "Why so many species have sexual reproduction? Why there's two sexes? Why males exist instead of only hermaphrodites?". I found it to be really insightful, but personally i like the subject, it's not directly related to discipline, getting women or anything like that.

I read it after reading and falling in love with this book i saw someone recommending here on RP.

[–]Stythe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're realizations are spot on. I relate so much to this and really have to say good job. You've clearly put in work and are seeing huge rewards. Some of the things you point out I'm laughing at because I see the same in my life.

You talk about just doing shit to face fears. That's huge. You talk about realizing others don't do a fraction of what you do. Thats legitimate perspective awareness. You talk about girls picking you up or buying you things, that's the reward for your hard work. It's amazing what happens when you stop darting around and focus on you. I'm pretty stoked for you man. As someone who has seen similar changes and is far from done, I get where you're coming from and know how good it feels. Congrats again for not being afraid to live.

[–]SilverCholo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sounds good brother, keep going! We need more interesting and driven people at social events in this world.. Or perhaps I need to find new places to go out. Remember, change is constant, so always be the best you can be. Anyway have fun and enjoy your journey. Your story resonates with me, keep grinding.

[–]bleed_red_white_blue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of the old zyzz quote:

"i went to an all boys school and didnt know any girls. my testosterone was spent playing WoW and Final Fantasy and fapping to 4chan porn (srs). 

i had a girlfriend at 17, who was pretty but slighty chubby, when i was a skinny nerd. She kept pointing out how skinny i was and always looked at other guys with good bodies which was on of the reasons i wanted to start going to the gym. Needless to say when i saw here 2 years later and her jaw dropped, brushing her off at that moment was probably the best feeling i have experienced in my life.

I hated the feeling of having other competition and having to work hard to get a girls affection. I love the fact that now i can do or say whatever i want and not put on some phaggy act to try get them to like me. But what this whole process has done for me is allow me to see straight through girls and see them for what they really are."

[–]bfwilley 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Just proves the old saying 'Men are pigs and Woman are brain damaged.'

[–]Hothlin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This experience changed completely my view on most of the women, i would look at them and think: man, those girls don’t do 1% of what i do, all they have is looks, they are nothing compared to me.

I haven't read the comments yet but I would not be surprised if this gem has been brought up several times and it will be worth bringing up several more times. Don't let go of your will to improve because you have already experienced the alternative.

[–]beguntheclonewarhas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Top post OP, proper inspiration

Money over bitches my brothers

[–]piccolo3nj 1 point2 points  (1 child)

TIL: Don't give a shit N lift.

[–]AragorntheMighty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Simple enough for even my mind to follow.

[–]WolfofAnarchy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post except for the women are "useful" part. They're also humans, and I find I enjoy them more when a connection is present, and not just a relationship where we fuck and she does random shit for me like a robot with no emotion.

[–]LazyMagus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everytime a top contributor here makes a post making fun of Monk Mode, this post needs to be shown to them.

Every philosophy and way of thinking can be misused by the ignorant. Monk Mode can be a huge step towards the man you want to be if followed with the right attitude.

[–]STFUIDGAFUCK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice and inspiring. Thank you bro!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This story really resinates with me. Well done.

[–]AndiWW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow... this was a great text. So true... I enjoyed reading.

[–]Viet_Lt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is so awesome, thank you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excellent post, thank you. I myself am struggling with adopting this mindset (my value vs. women's value). I mean, I understand it, I know it intellectually, but at some deep level it's still not sticking. I still feel pain when looking at my oneitis' photos with her new BF, and I still feel anxiety when approaching women, and bad for being single for a while. The day I am fully aligned with the mindset that you've presented, is the day I become free. Your post helped with that, so thank you again for sharing your experience.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, your English is great, lmao.

[–]1mojo_juju 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP, great post man. Proud to hear of your progress and success.

3rd language? You sound like a badass dude. Sounds like you have your shit together.

Just out of curiosity regarding your local culture, what country or (if you prefer not to be specific) what region of the world are you in?

[–]I_Need_More_Space_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, just get prostitutes. That way you can focus on your shit, save time, and keep pushing to live on another level.

[–]westernflows 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post. Does anyone have the author's of the books OP mentioned?

[–]circlhat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And going for the sex was really hard, i didn’t had any logistics because i was living away from home, had to share a room with other students; the only way i managed to have sex was paying expensive motels.

I feel into this trap , little did I know also , personally i preferred the hotel but I learn a girl will fuck you on the side of the road, in your parents house, in her parents house, if she likes you she will make a way.

The most surprising thing, though, is that some women started to work for me, like they would be the ones asking my number now(of course some didn't ask, i didn't bother),

Abundance mentality at it's finest , in fact most of the natural alphas I know always say let girls come to them.

Now i would kiss then and rapidly try to escalate, things like trying to finger them in the middle of the parties, would say things like “i’ll lick you so hard that you’ll beg me to fuck you”, i really didn’t mind if they dumped me.

I'm interested in hearing the responses you got, I said some crazy shit before, but never this overt

Other important lesson was that working hard is the only way to get that IDGAF attitude

Only way for you, I seen guys blow girls off for video games or friends, it seems girls love it when they come second, working hard, having goals, not needed to get girls, just have some other point of interests in your life.

[–]mrp_1844 0 points1 point  (5 children)

The most important thing in this quest of being better with women was realizing that i don’t care about it that much, being free from the idea that i can’t mate helped me realize what i really want and what is really important to me. I now value more being with my bros than being with some random bitch.

You might like the sub MGTOW

[–]Luis_McLovin 3 points4 points  (3 children)

idk man MGTOW to me sounds like men who know the truth and then give up on the game, almost like a holier than thou neck beard society

correct me if I'm wrong

[–]mrp_1844 3 points4 points  (2 children)

What game? We have given up on marriage that's for sure.

Most have given up on relationships because that is to risky.

Its quite a mix.

[–]Luis_McLovin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

nah MGTOW has given up on a lot more

what you described is the majority of TRP, not entertaining relationships with women

MGTOW is Doritos dust and Mountain Dew stains

[–]Luis_McLovin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've thought on the matter more;

TRP is better suited for type-A personalities

whereas MGTOW is better suited for type-B

both are "awake" in contrast to the asleep bluepill segments

[–]Noolaw 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't like the fact that your getting downvoted for MGTOW....i mean most of TRP's dont even understand that current MGTOW's aren't really representing what MGTOW truly meant. Sure it might seem like alot of MGTOWS give up but i think that true MGTOWS are a dime a dozen. The FOCUS IS ALL ON YOU. Thats what MGTOW IS ABOUT.