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Men's RightsMale porn stars should be paid the same as female porn stars (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior EndorsedMattyAnon

Personally I don't give a fuck who gets paid what. Negotiate your pay according to the free market economy, and get paid what you're truly worth. That should be the end of it, but in 2016's victimocracy it isn't.

Male tennis players usually get paid more than female tennis players, because they are a bigger draw. More ticket sales. More TV sales. Why? Sexist TV viewers of both genders? No... it's because the best get paid the most. Female tennis is a separate division, and everyone knows who would win in a male vs. female tennis match.

Any second tier competition is less interesting and makes less money. Female tennis, local level tennis, dwarf tennis...you name it. While interesting, everyone knows that these events are not the ultimate level of human competition.

But women are now complaining that female tennis players are paid less. The claim is that the personal merit of female tennis players is the equal of men therefore they should be paid the same. Not their skill, not their ability to compete, but their merit as people. It's a struggle for women, they have to make sacrifices to be a top player, etc. All true of course, but the argument also applies to people (male and female) ranked 1000 in the world and no-one is talking about them.

Which brings me back to porn stars. Male porn stars are paid a LOT less than female porn stars, even though they usually have to take damaging drugs just perform their job (viagra) and they work harder (sorry, couldn't resist) than female stars.

So why are male porn actors paid less? Because even at the top of their game, they are less of a draw in terms of box office sales.

So if we allow that female tennis players should be paid the same as male tennis players, the same arguments apply to male porn stars.

Male porn stars should be paid the same as female porn stars, OR female tennis players should be paid less than male tennis players.

Personally I say let the market decide and once you make over $100k per year you lose the right to be publicly bitchin' about how oppressed you are.

TL;DR male pornstars - I got your back.


[–]RaptorFalcon 479 points480 points  (140 children)

During the 1998 Australian Open, sisters Serena and Venus Williams boasted that they could beat any man ranked outside the world's top 200. The challenge was accepted by Karsten Braasch, a German player ranked No 203 (his highest ranking was No 38). Before the matches, Braasch played a round of golf in the morning, drank a couple of beers, smoked a few cigarettes, and then played the Williams sisters for a set each, one after the other. He defeated Serena, 6-1, and Venus, 6-2. Serena said afterwards "I didn't know it would be that hard. I hit shots that would have been winners on the women's tour and he got to them easily."

[–]WAFC 129 points130 points  (1 child)

Braasch also claimed to be taking it easy on them to make it sporting, and when the Williams sisters claimed afterward that they could beat anyone ranked 500 or lower, he said they could have a rematch the next week, as he was slated to lose rank back to around that level.

[–]therealpkg 151 points152 points  (76 children)

This dose of reality story always makes the female empowerment vomiting subside.

[–]LoneStarG84 77 points78 points  (75 children)

But... during the height of Ronda Rousey-mania I was told she could beat any man (someone on another subreddit actually wondered if she could beat a blindfolded Gorilla). Was I... led astray?!

[–][deleted] 73 points74 points  (36 children)

It wasn't any man, it was Floyd Mayweather aka possibly the best counter puncher in boxing history. When Holm put her down Mayweathers comments to rousey were surprisingly well crafted for a man who couldn't read a Dr Seuss book.

[–]Classical_Liberale 21 points22 points  (24 children)

What did he comment? Mayweather is a super legend and unbeaten champion whereas Rousey is just mostly PR.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (16 children)

Something to the extent of wishing her a fast recovery and that everyone loses.

[–]selassiepickney -1 points0 points  (12 children)

He lost as an amateur. Just sayin'.

[–]WASPandNOTsorry 19 points20 points  (8 children)

That shit don't count. But regardless, one of the reasons why he never lost is because boxing is rigged to the max these days. It's not even fun to watch. The UFC is good because every single event that they host has mostly good match ups. It's bad for the fighters because they have no leverage over the UFC but for the fans it's great. Boxing on the other hand has so many world titles and they rarely put their best up against each other, that's why I don't even watch boxing anymore. Back when in the day you'd have the best boxers beat the shit out of each other a couple times a year and people paid big money for that. Boxing as a sport is in a shitty state right now.

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, don't talk about sports being rigged, it's like TRP. There are a lot of "blue pill" believers of sports. I remember the world cup 3 wc's ago, I got into a huge fight that fifa is set to be rigged like all other American sports. Unfortunately I said that around a group of top of the bell curve iq, and they wanted to get physical about it. Lol. I wonder if they recalled our conversation during the talks about extraditing the heads of fifa to the U.S. for corruption charges. Hmmm.

Btw, the horse races here (probably everywhere) are rigged too. I'm a statistical researcher and as a thesis project I worked with an avid pony player to statistically determine winners. Unfortunately... rigged. The data was compelling enough that I killed the thrill for a 30+ year pony gambler. Fwiw, that's why jockeys are paid so well.

[–]nuesuh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As he said: everyone loses.

No one goes through life without suffering defeat at least once.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the beauty of the comment. Was he showing humility and compassion for a fellow fighter or was he rubbing his professional record in her shit talking face?

[–]spotH3D 2 points3 points  (4 children)

She also said she could beat Cain Velasquez, former male heavyweight champion.

[–]juiceperks 28 points29 points  (2 children)

He might actually kill her

[–]NolanHarlow 17 points18 points  (1 child)

He might actually kill her while trying to go easy on her. If he were legitimately trying to destroy her, it would be a fucking bloodbath

[–]123Jobber 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She couldn't take on a Gerard Moussasi sparring while he was going easy on her and barely exerting himself while she was on 100% trying every move at her arsenal and getting visibly upset as the practice session went along.

[–]LoneStarG84 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah it wasn't just the Mayweather thing. I think Joe Rogan said she could beat half the men in her class? Granted, it's Rogan, but I didn't hear any corrections from the MSM...

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Mayweather can't read thing is false. How do you think he read the speech screen thing when he is on TV ? Plus, he needs to read in order to cash those 100 million checks.

[–]a_nus 18 points19 points  (13 children)

There's a vid of her grappling Gerard Mousassi (probably fucked up the spelling) where he's visibly tsking it easy while she's going balls to the wall. He still easily ragdolled her.

[–]33a5t 17 points18 points  (4 children)

[–]trpthrowaway2003 2 points3 points  (1 child)

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What is this?

[–]1theoctopuss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gerard Mousassi is a vet, and much better than rousey at every aspect of the game. He's no pushover.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Make sure you watch it to the very end: "Good job Ronda!" I spent the whole video laughing my ass off.

I liked how she was turning redder than the mat behind them.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (6 children)

It's so funny how little people understand about fighting and physical combat. I can't tell you how many girls I've dated that thought they could beat me up. It would always go the same way, I'd just get on my hands and knees and tell me to try to move me. Do anything to make me not in this position. They'd all roll around on top of me pulling at arms and legs and finally give up completely dejected and realize how different mens and womens bodies were.

[–]a_nus 16 points17 points  (2 children)

If you have a couple months of grappling experience, you could probably tool anyone your size, a little bit bigger, and anyone smaller of course.

If you have years of experience, you can tool most inexperienced people. Unless they're super strong, athletic freaks.

-- Lol at downvoters. I started grappling and MMA over a decade ago. Not talking out of my ass. I've seen a lot of ignorant comments in this sub regarding self-defense and martial arts in general. I'd really like to hear what one of you has to say.

[–]UCISee 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Anyone who downvotes this is an absolute idiot who knows zilch. Back in HS I was shit talking some kid slightly smaller than me in woodshop. He got all ballsy and I told him to man up. We shoved like HS kids for about two seconds and the next thing I knew I was on the ground wrapped like a pretzel. Nothing teaches humility than being made to look like a bitch in front of a whole class. Turns out the kid was a wrestling genius. We were both freshman so he had at most two or three months of legit wrestling experience (Im not from PA or something where kids wrestle before they walk) but made me look like a punk because he had just that little bit of experience.

[–]a_nus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nothing teaches humility than being made to look like a bitch in front of a whole class.

That's the beauty of learning real, applicable self-defense. By applicable, I mean where you actually put it to the test with fully resisting opponents on a daily basis. None of that McDojo bullshit.

Your first few weeks, you'll be getting smashed even by people who look "weaker" than you (let alone the dudes who train and lift). It'll force you to come face to face with your ego and the reality of the situation.

[–]garlicextract 2 points3 points  (2 children)

uh how stupid were these people

seriously assuming you aren't a 110lb stick, they are fucking stupid.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

6' 185, decorated athlete. girls honestly just have no idea what even a 15 pound different between two guys makes let alone 80 pounds between a man and a women. Just the other day I saw some video between some woman marine that thought she could tussle with a male marine.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't know of this strength difference because they've been treated well by men their whole lives. There is also the lie circulated that women have greater lower body strength than men, when really it is that they are closer to men in lower body strength (compared to upper) but not nearly equal.

Google and read a study called

Hand-grip strength of young men, women and highly trained female athletes.

It was even more of a difference than I thought it would be.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

they bought the lie of buffy the vampire slayer and other action flicks starring tiny twiggy girls who easily destroy mythical badasses twice their size.

in reality, these tiny girls under 120 lbs would get destroyed.

[–]Klldarkness 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She did an interview about possibly fighting Fallon Fox, a male to female transexual.

http://www.out.com/sports/2015/7/16/ufc-womens-champ-refuses-fight-trans-athlete-fallon-fox

To paraphrase:

No, she wouldn't fight "her", because she'd have an unfair advantage having gone through puberty as a male.

Uh. If you think fighting a transvestite that's been on female hormone therapy for 20 years would put you at a disadvantage, how the fuck could you win against any male mma fighter at the top of his game?

I'd be willing to bet she'd lose handily against any top 40 mma fighter, even a weight class lower than her.

Any male fighter in an equal weight class would rock her immediately.

[–]TheCarm 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Some dude offered to fight her but said if he wins she has to make him a sandwhich. A legit ufc fighter

[–]trpthrowaway2003 2 points3 points  (2 children)

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What is this?

[–]1theoctopuss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This guy is still alive? I figured the brain damage would have got to him by now.

[–]1nzgs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Rousey-mania is truly disgusting. I think it's a case of blue-pilled men having a fetish for being beaten up by a girl, and severely inflating her fighting ability as a result. Honestly I think any male amateur fighter would easily beat her in a fight, official or not.

[–]B_uckets 71 points72 points  (13 children)

There was another match like this in 2003.

Yannick Noah (who peaked at #3 in 1986 and retired in 1996 at rank 500+) played the reigning women's singles champion, Justine Henin. He wore a dress and spent the whole match trying to pull off crazy trick shots but still won in the end.

If he had a rank at the time of that match, it would've been well into the thousands. She was #1.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (12 children)

Well then you get into social arguements like "not as many women were encouraged to go into tennis"

Where I live, which teams can compete against which is chosen by measuring the # of people that attend the school. These become your "weight classes"

Reason being, more people attending the school means you have more talent to choose from, even though a football team will always be 11 people

[–]The__Tren__Train 12 points13 points  (10 children)

Well then you get into social arguements like "not as many women were encouraged to go into tennis"

had this conversation with a few liberal mangina friends of mine when discussing the wage gap.

I brought up the point that women consciously choose majors in college that will end up paying less.

their solution? we, as a society need to encourage women to study more productive things like mechanical engineering, finance, and accounting.

essentially, it's always, ALWAYS the man's responsibility.

[–]CommanderBlurf 10 points11 points  (8 children)

Engineer here, recent grad. We already do encourage them, most that drop out either can't hack it or are simply more interested in other fields.

Given that my degree has a 90% attrition rate anyway, the gender ratio gets even more skewed.

[–]Azphreal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also engineering. I could find three programs catered to getting women into STEM within two minutes just by looking through my emails. Still have 85%+ male in any given degree.

[–]truthyego 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Electrical Enginerd grad here (from 2006). Can confirm. 1:7 ratio seems about right (class of couple hundred at a state college). And only 2 cute ones. I actually LTRd one of them at graduation, spent 8 years on/off with her.

Our experiences? She spent the whole time studying and having all the boys hand over their homework with lots of free tutoring. We weren't exactly dating yet, but she'd usually call me up after bilking the homework from smart guys... for the occassions when i bothered to do homework. I spent most of my time partying and half assing it (not recommended, I could've learned a lot more, and also bulked up better).

Results? Her 3.4 GPA beats my 3.0, but ask her ANYTHING about electrical (beyond V=IR) and she knows fuck all. She spent her time memorizing for tests, to regurgitate specific problem solutions. I prioritized internalizing theory and abstract conceptualization, ahead of solution memorization.

Nowadays I'm a semicon engineer. She's a PM, never to return to engineering (how can you when u don't remember shit from ur major). Ironically, the skillz she gained in college was how to manage nerd boys who are technically proficient and love to please, which actually makes her a decent PM.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She spent her time memorizing for tests, to regurgitate specific problem solutions. I prioritized internalizing theory and abstract conceptualization, ahead of solution memorization.

Ex nursing student here (went into law instead). About 85 percent of my class was female. Literally every single test in every class could be passed with straight up memorization. I maintained a 3.8 GPA up until the last year of school before I swapped to law (I hated it that much) and let me tell you, it was WAY faster to think critically and ask WHY does this happen, or WHY is this the right answer as opposed to this is the right answer because the books say so. The few men in my pathology class would always study about 1/3 the amount of the women because we studied critically instead of memorizing every single symptom of every single disease.

MEN: "Well influenza reproduces this way under these conditions, so lets discover how that will affect the human body so we don't need to memorize the entire book symptoms, we can just determine them independently"

WOMEN: "These are all the symptoms of every disease ever, so lets make 2000 flashcards"

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was in a class like yours, started with 70 people the first year. By the end of the second year, 6 guys, one girl. Two of the guys carried her to the end. Since it was 7 people, I always opted to work on my own for team projects, and thus, highest ending GPA by far. She never went into that field.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Easily solution, play them at volleyball, traditional female dominated sport.

[–]1jb_trp 71 points72 points  (16 children)

The Canadian Women's Hockey team would play high school boys to get ready for the Olympics and would get crushed almost every time.

I would put a decent high school boys basketball team against a WNBA team any day of the week. Shoot, if I were feeling cruel I'd make the ladies play against Oak Hill Academy.

[–]widespreadhammock 47 points48 points  (10 children)

My freshman year of high school, the Girl's varsity basketball team wanted to play us to get a more physical match-up for a tune-up sort of game (this was still preseason). They were actually pretty good in our division too, so they were working that season to make the playoffs. So Girl's Variety vs. Freshman Boys...

Outcome was actually kinda sad. They only scored 2 baskets, and both were from their best player shooting outside (a freshman girl ironically- she played rec league with all the boys growing up so she was actually ready for the game). The coaches called the game early because two of the seniors started throwing temper tantrums after they got blocked for like 10 straight possessions. Score was something like 54-4 at that point.

Moral of the story: Keep the sports guys and gals separate in sports.

[–]Whitified 34 points35 points  (6 children)

two of the seniors started throwing temper tantrums

This. I always refuse to play girls. A weaker referee would even start to let the girls have an unfair advantage or get away with bad fouls, because "you're a man". If you go in hard, the girls will even play the "crying" card.

You just can't win

[–]omnicidial 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My cousin used to come shoot with us and play pickup 2v2 and 3v3 games on outdoor courts in high school when she was a senior and I was a freshman. We beat her and the other senior girls up, we had a lot of size on them and didn't take it easy.

She went on to 3 national titles in college basketball with the University of TN.

[–]MakeEmSayAyy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

lmfao yeah when i was in 7th grade on a rec team we played the 9th grade girls and I was like oh shit we gotta win, it was fucking pathetically easy.

[–]1Entropy-7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I was about 10 years old I was a yellow belt in judo. In my class there was a 16 year old girl who was a green belt. But for my young age, the way she threw me around was rather kinky.

[–]DogInTheBath 25 points26 points  (1 child)

The USA womens soccer team also got hammered by the mens U-17 if i remember correctly as well.

http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/uswnt-vs-u-17-usmnt.1939180/

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My neighbor played varsity hockey in high school, she was pretty good. Played with the boys one day.. got checked into the boards and got a bruise the size of a melon, and could barely walk for months. Kind of sad actually :(

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (15 children)

I got a good one.

The German women's team used to be pretty big over here (for betas I guess). In 2003 the German women won the world cup. The women thought they were the best in world and decided to have a fun match against a male youth team of VfB Stuttgart (a minor team in Germany). These boys were age 14-15. To keep it short, the boys beat the best team in the world by 6-0 or more (apparently they didnt finish the game.).

As far as I know, the only sport where women "beat" men, is kayaking, based on the weight/speed ratio.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (11 children)

LOL 14 year old boys beat them hardcore.

I think long distance swimming is another one where girls can compete with men and win sometimes.

I think it has to do with the tits/body fat acting like flotation devices?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

1500m freestyle. Men's world record: 14.31, women: 15:25. More than a minute is quite a difference.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I think they meant like long distance.

Its one of those things girls pull out when faced with the reality that men are better at sports.

They point out the exception and think that somehow negates the fact that literally every other way men are better.

[–]boscoist 3 points4 points  (3 children)

have you ever swam 1500m in one go? thats nearly a mile, and the longest competitive swimming event.

[–]garlicextract 1 point2 points  (2 children)

No you don't get it. LONG distance. As in the swimming equivalent of ultramarathons (where women also do well). As in swimming the english channel. It's an extreme edge case that is likely more skewed by small sample size than anything else.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

And discus, until you discover that women's discus weighs 1kg and men's 2kg. Men: 243ft, women: 251ft.

[–]Cashews4U 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Metric to American is weird.

[–]Whitified 11 points12 points  (3 children)

I think its very telling that many women, at the top of their game, will eventually want to take on the boys.

Its like that's their whole reason of playing the sport in the first place. Male recognition.

[–]1Sir_Distic 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I disagree. I think it's ego. They are treated like men's champions and get a stroked ego. So they feel above all the women. The only thing left is men. Until reality catches up with them.

[–]RatsSewer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. They want a tougher challenge, since they beat all the women.

[–]Eugenics2015 6 points7 points  (2 children)

We all remember that fag in the 70s who purposely lost to a chick. Forgot the names of both.

Either way, girl power is here to stay because of BP men.

Edit: Here it is http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2402318/Battle-Sexes-tennis-match-new-claims-emerge-Billie-Jean-Kings-opponent-deliberately-lost.html

[–]Leviticus59 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Bobby Riggs.

He did purposely throw the match, after having beaten the number one women's seed at the time. He was in his mid-50's when all that happened.

[–]vaelamin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If i owed the mob money i would have done the same.

[–]BeachBum09 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The women's world cup team scrimmaged a team made up of the best 15 year old players in southern california. The 15 year old boys team beat the us women's national team 6-0. Also during training for the world cup at around 1999 they would regularly scrimmage the boys under 16 team. Apparently they were in the same camp so it was convenient. The boys team won a majority of these scrimmages and they have only been playing together for a few months while the women's team had been playing together for years.

It's just a simple fact that men are more athletically gifted and capable than women. It's not even close. The games they play are also not even close in comparison. Even if it's the same sport. You have women's basketball which is an utter bore to watch. These are women who are the tallest women in their sport and most athletically gifted. The average female basketball player is about 6 feet and a little under. Only a handful of wnba players can dunk or have dunked and when they do it is a sports news story likely to hit sportscenter top 10. That's how rare it is. Yet male players 6 foot and under in the NBA can consistently dunk. It all comes down to the level the game is played and the desire of the public to watch them. I mean you even see this in the lower rankings of tennis with the men. It's essentially the same thing minus the gender. Novak gets paid a shit ton of money because he is number 1. You don't see number 200 bitching about his sponsorship deal and why he doesn't get paid the same. Well he just doesn't play to that level of competition. If one of the Williams sisters could beat Novak then I'd say they deserve to get paid that dollar amount. But watching the 2 top tennis players in the world in men's compete and then watching the top 2 women compete you notice a stark difference in the intensity of play, range of shots, and range of power. Nobody wants to pay the same amount to see a lesser product. That's not how supply and demand works. You can't just try to say "because I'm a girl" and expect to change inherent laws of society.

[–]truegemred 1 point2 points  (0 children)

said they could have a rematch the next week, as he was slated to lose rank back to around that level.

that is actually so embarrassing for the sisters. I never realised the difference between men and women in sport was that huge until I watched the england women play football. First I started enthuisiatic being a football fan it was a sunday like 6pm I had nothing else to do. I started watching these girls struggle to kick the ball around with any purpose and I couldn't watch it anymore

[–]Mattpilf 0 points1 point  (1 child)

We should remember these were 16 and 17 year olds. Of course they were full of themselves.

Realistically they were probably 500th at best.

[–]RaptorFalcon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were also at the top of the woman's division

[–][deleted] 162 points163 points  (40 children)

Just like how consumers don't want to watch women play tennis, they don't care about how hard a dude works in porn.

[–]fearachieved 62 points63 points  (22 children)

I applied to be a male porn star once. I was approved, but only for gay work. I was told that's where the money is.

I decided against it in the end

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 123 points124 points  (1 child)

I'm sure your end appreciates that.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

One might say the ends didn't justify the means.

[–]evoblade 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's where the saying gay for pay comes from.

[–]harami_number1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Where did you apply? Brazzers? AnalDestruction.com?

[–]Linrraba 8 points9 points  (12 children)

Partially true. Boy on girl scenes draw more atention (therefore pay more) than girl on girl scenes. Also, there are women watching porn too. So a number of people care for how "hard" the dude works.

[–]baube19 30 points31 points  (4 children)

hahha ask around females friends you are confortable with if they watch porn.. sure they do then ask if they EVER spent a DIME on porn. or even a trial you have to pull=out your credit card before the 30 days is over just to see what's on the other side of the paywall.. NONE.. I'am not saying no females pay for porn but their revenue share in the industry is ABYSMAL

[–]Linrraba 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Those who pay for porn don't walk around talking about it (they should. they're heroes who give us free porn). However, there are porn genres made exclusive for women (like porn for couples by studios such sweet sinner).

[–]baube19 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It's hard to bring my sources because it was from a french radio / podcast talkshow. Of the paid accounts on theses "made for women" porn site they ask the gender when you create a profile and it's but 90% men that are just fed-up with mainstream porn. the 10% left is a mix of refused to awnser and females. This was conducted over the course of a year of new sign-ups on 4 differents websites.

[–]Eugenics2015 10 points11 points  (6 children)

The majority of women who watch porn are more interested in the woman than the man. This is the main reason why demand is so disproportionate.

Women are bisexual, there are more chicks subscribed to playboy than guys.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/fashion/12bisex.html?_r=0

[–]LoneStarG84 73 points74 points  (24 children)

Relevant: (VERY NSFW)

http://m.efukt.com/21134_The_Duke_University_Feminist_Pornstar.html

Watch it for the interviews...

[–][deleted] 82 points83 points  (11 children)

OMFG, that last part... a complete 180 degree change from her saying that there should be equality in pay when the camera man brought up the fact that women are paid more in porn, then she disagrees that there should be equality in pay because this is a "capitalistic society."

(Personally, I don't even hate this hamstering anymore. I expect it. I understand it. I am at peace with it. So, now I can go about my day and about my business.)

[–]LoneStarG84 52 points53 points  (0 children)

My favorite part is towards the end when he says "That might be women's fault." That look she gives him, that sneer/smile, that says "You've challenged me, I have nothing to say so I'm going to fall back on my cuteness and hope you change the subject."

If had a nickel for the amount of times I've seen that look...

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I don't even hate this hamstering anymore

The only reason I still get angry is that my vote counts as much as hers.

[–]truthyego 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is pretty close to nothing. If anything, voting is a liability, a form of consent to the criminal delusion known as government.

[–]1jb_trp 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Personally, I don't even hate this hamstering anymore. I expect it. I understand it.

Truth is a very "fluid" concept for women.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

For everybody.

Don't act like men aren't emotional creatures.

We sometimes make shit up too based on feels and then use our logic to hamster it away later ex-post facto.

[–]Thaweed 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Sometimes is the key word here, we do it in a weak moment or while we feel subordinate.

Women on the other hand use it as their go to move, it s their first line of defence offence.

[–]look_good 5 points6 points  (2 children)

No need to be a white knight. Yes, all people will be people but we're talking about the female hamster here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not white knighting. I just know myself and my friends, they all do this shit, you do too. Exactly Because you are better at logical rationalizations, you are also better at backwards rationalizations. I would say the smarter you are, the better you are at fooling yourself and your peers about your own biases.

[–]look_good 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We talk about how the female hamster operates in this sub. I'm glad you see there is a male hamster as well, don't feel enlightened for recognizing that.

[–]ChadThundercockII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have on truth. I don't fuck married women, if I ever do it then it's a mistake that will take a toll on my conscience.

This is very different from the hamstering women do. The OP is right.

[–]Thaweed 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes dude, exactly.

Years ago i was furious about the hamstering and the way girls function, but now it s cute, i love it.

It makes you powerfull knowing what they gonna do and when they are gonna do it, even before they know it.

[–]Thaweed 30 points31 points  (0 children)

do you like it when a dude blasts his load all over your face?

mhm

does it make you feel empowered?

I fucking lost it right there.

[–]evileddy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"Women's studies.. ahahahahaahhaah"

[–]WhySoRuff 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Well, my nofap streak just went down the drain.

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 0 points1 point  (0 children)

down the drain got a good chuckle from me

[–]fingerthemoon 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Holy shit! I'm not sure what's more disturbing, the cognitive dissonance of this woman or the fact that I found myself turned on by this.

The neurological circuits of sex and anger must be closely related in men. Probably women as well. It puts me in a place of internal conflict because half of me wants to go back and watch the whole video and the other half says stay away. Fuck man, thanks for messing with me.

Edit: I've decided not to go down that path. I have a friend who got into this kind of aggressive degrading sex with a women who said she was totally into it. When he broke up with her she accused him of rape. He still has internal struggle over whether or not he raped her but according to his testimony of events it doesn't sound like it to me. She was consensual. Just seems like a convoluted fucked up place to get yourself into.

[–]MelodyMyst 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There was a great joke/one liner I heard once...

Let a woman act however she wants, take it out on her in the bedroom.

This could be related to what you say.

[–]tb87670 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This almost needs to be required study for RP newbies to watch, this is the female hamster caught on camera in action flipping it's switch right in front of you between "I fight for women's rights" and "I enjoy being degraded" I mean the guy literally at one point asked if she like being degraded by men while her face was being blasted by a dick and she just smiled, this right after her going on and on about taking women's studies and being a feminist. It's almost like she forgot that cameras record this shit forever so she can't just lie and say it never happened.

[–]BEWARE_OF_BEARD 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Holy fuck, that was uncomfortable to watch.

[–]RedMoonAscendant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh man. That scene about halfway through is the best porn scene I've ever seen in my entire fucking life:

Him: "Your hair is stringy and nasty."

Her: "Ouch!" (as male fucking her goes too deep?)

Male: Slaps her on ass.

Cameraman: "Here is a hair brush. Brush your nasty stringy hair while he fucks you. Keep fucking her dude. Take the brush. Brush your nasty stringy hair so it doesn't look so shit."

Her: takes brush, brushes hair.

Words cannot express how awesome that is. I wish all porn was like this.

[–]tedcase 33 points34 points  (7 children)

"Male tennis players usually get paid more than female tennis players, because they are a bigger draw. More ticket sales. More TV sales."

Also, they play more games per tournament.

They actually get less money on average per game played than women players.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon[S] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Also, they play more games per tournament. They actually get less money on average per game played than women players.

This is a great point, that strangely enough has not been mentioned by the feminists trying for "equal" pay.

[–]tedcase 21 points22 points  (0 children)

you mean to tell me that the feminists have been selectively picking and choosing facts to misrepresent their arguments??!

I'm shocked and appalled!

[–]benuntu 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Very good point, and it's also true for working men vs. women in general. Link to stats

Full-time average day for men: 8.4 hours
Full-time average day for women: 7.8 hours

[–]AcrossHallowedGround 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Somehow it doesn't surprise me at all. 8 hours is a 'normal' work day. According to that, women clock out 12 minutes early, while men stay an extra 24, on average. Seems about right.

[–]TheRedStoic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remember, that's also without breaks and coaching available in match.

Unlike the women...

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 31 points32 points  (4 children)

Not their skill, not their ability to compete, but their merit as people.

Ya, there was a massive society wide sociological test that tried this to see if it worked back in the day.

Can't recall but i believe it was called Communism.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Minor pet peeve, but those weren't communist societies. They never made it that far, they got bogged down on the dictatorship of the proletariat step on the way to a communist society.

[–]recon_johnny 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Socialism.

Communism is a political system, Socialism is the economic one. Communism can use Socialism, Socialism does not depend on Communism.

However, the concept that the collective output be distributed equally is Communist.

[–]Whiteouter 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This is incorrect. Both socialism and communism are economic systems, according to Marx, socialism precedes communism. Socialism = everybody gets paid the same, the capital is owned by the state. Communism = nobody gets paid. Everybody owns everything.

Source: Living in ex-communist country and Wikipedia.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Imagine there's a third gender. We've got males, females, and HE-males. (That's right, motherfucker.)

He-males are as much stronger and faster than men, as men are stronger and faster than women.

I guarantee that men would make much, much less competing in sports than he-men would.

Point is, it's nothing to do with discrimination against women, and everything to do with people wanting to see the absolute pinnacle of human performance.

[–]omgimbackagain 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The fact is its already like this. Dudes who are professional athletes are "He Males". The days of guys with sub par athletic genetics rising to the top through hard work are over.

Do i deserve a shot on merit even though i dont have elite athletic genetics?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These He-males exist and are dudes who are on tons of performance enhancing drugs that give them an edge that men naturally could not achieve. If there was an all doping league where athletes could take anything and everything they wanted and there were no rules regarding steroids the he-men that would result from it would destroy most men most of the time.

[–]prodigy2throw 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Simple supply and demand dilemma. No nefarious conspiracy against men. More men in the job market and they're the elastic product. Easily interchangeable except for the top 10 or so guys who've made a market for themselves.

In tennis they are trying to manipulate the market by giving women equal pay as men even though men are the sought after product in this industry.

[–]slay_it_forward 10 points11 points  (1 child)

A men's player ranked around 200 in the world showed why women get paid less by thumping both Williams sisters half drunk and playing at 60% capacity.

It's like saying the hockey players playing in some B league in Germany should get paid the same as NHL superstars just because they're good people. No, you get paid based on the revenue you generate.

[–]gebrial 2 points3 points  (0 children)

once you make 100k per year you lose the right to be publicly bitchin' about how oppressed you are

Just like how if you're a man you lose the right to bitch about oppression too? Or if you live in the Western world? Or if you're white? Everyone has problems, and everyone thinks their problems are the worst. Fact is bitching about it never really made anything better, only action does and you never lose the right to action

[–]fingerthemoon 9 points10 points  (1 child)

male pornstars - I got your back.

Hey man if that's what you're into I don't judge.

[–]1BoogersAreTasty 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've told this story before, but I'll retell it again here.

When I was a freshman in high school I played basketball. It was tradition that the boys freshman team played the girls varsity team each year in an inaugural game to kick off the season.

Here we were, 12 freshman boys who had only been playing together for a couple of weeks, going up against junior and senior girls who had been playing together for several years and who had an awesome team (they came in first place in the state the year before and would come in second place in the state that year).

On this girls team was one girl who went on to play Division 1 basketball and 2 other girls who went on to play Division 2 basketball and several other girls who were real athletes in other sorts such as volleyball and field hockey that they played at the college level.

Everyone in the school was looking forward to this game so that this "stud team" of girls could whip our freshman butts. Everyone at school was mocking us telling us that the girls were going to beat us and that we didn't stand a chance.

To honest, I was a little nervous about being beaten by girls.

So game time came and.......we annihilated them. We didn't just beat them, we throttled them.

A girls team that would go on to be the second best in the state, with girls that were that going to go on and have prolific D1 and D2 careers....and we crushed them.

I remember, I had to go against the girl who went to to play D1 basketball and she was helpless against me. I was stronger, faster, quicker and more aggressive than she was.....by a mile.

After one quarter, we put in our scrubs against their starters....and our scrubs continued the route. It was ugly, ugly, ugly.

Women just can't compete with men in most sports.

You may call me crazy, but I posit to the group that a state championship caliber high school boys varsity basketball team could probably beat most WNBA teams.....but I could be wrong.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But women are now complaining that female tennis players are paid less. The claim is that the personal merit of female tennis players is the equal of men therefore they should be paid the same.

If that's true, then why not play five sets like men do?

[–]hungershit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TBH I've watched dwarf tennis and it is hella interesting. Anyone who doesn't prefer dwarfs over those women tennis in their skirts and ladybras is an embarassment to humans. We have to have more faith for the dwarfs.

[–]ppanther92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have got two examples myself. A friend of mine played with his U17 team against arguable Austrians best women football team as there origin is in the same city. Their trainer told them to keep it easy and not go into tackles at all to hurt no woman. They led 6:0 at Halftime and won 7:0 and that was a random boys youth team.

Second example - few years ago Sybille Bammer, best ranked female Austrian Tennis player, played Thomes Muster, retired former Nr. 1 but overweight and heavy smoking at this time. Needless to say Muster won 6:0 6:1, despite the media hyping the match to be super close and even giving Bammer a slightly edge before the match.

Additionally i want to say that Tennis is probably one of the most equal payed sports in the world. At Grand Slam level, the price money is exactly the same, so i find it pretty amusing when female topplayers complain. My two cents.

[–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The tennis associations totally fuck up the market dynamics with all their goofy rules. I think a lot of women tennis players would get paid as much as the men (but for the totally different reasons) because they run their pussies about the court and make fuck grunts as they hit the ball.

I've mentioned elsewhere that women's tennis can actually be more entertaining because they don't have the power and speed of men, so there are fewer aces and the rallies are longer.

But forget tennis, if you want to see a real dichotomy watch women's MMA.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's funny how the feminazi's don't get up in arms about this. You know, since they're all about gender equality.

[–]Endorsed ContributorNiftyDolphin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We need a new sub: RPTwoXStyleVictimPosts

[–]plenkton 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Welcome to the Labor Theory of Value- where a brain surgeon and a fast food worker are paid the same.

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    [–]plenkton 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    They aren't paid the same under the Labor Theory of Value.

    Labor Theory of Value: The labor theory of value is the economic theory that stipulates that the value of a good or service is dependent upon the labor used in its production. The labor theory of value suggests that goods which take the same amount of time to produce should cost the same.

    The brain surgeon required several years of med schools and training to do the surgery he's doing, so the Labor theory of value says that the brain surgeon should be paid more.

    Is this how the LTV is applied on practice?

    [–]Kalepsis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    So why don't female construction workers make the same as males? Or female coal miners? Or female hot-tar roofers? Or female lumberjacks?

    Oh, yeah, I remember now... Because none of those things exist.

    Pay equity would not be such an issue if both genders were equally capable and willing to do the same jobs. But they're not. I guarantee you will never, ever see female oil derrick workers complaining about equal pay for equal work. On the other hand, male cashiers, bank tellers, waiters, and yes, porn stars always make less money than their female counterparts.

    I'm so tired of the whole bullshit pay equity conversation.

    [–]Linrraba 2 points3 points  (12 children)

    They can just make their own movies and keep all the money to them. Buy a camera, pay an internet server, pay someone to design your site, hire a girl a week to pop up a scene, charge accordingly (or don't charge at all and use ad streams for revenue), profit. If i lived in US i'd be doing this right now.

    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children)

    May have this in the works atm. Joked with a plate who was tight on cash and she said she was down as long as nobody saw her face. Then I kidded her about doing furry shit and she said "DOES THAT MEAN I GET TO WEAR KITTEN EARS AND A TAIL?!" So, may break into that niche market relatively soon... I mean, fuck, some of these camgirls make decent money just laying around naked. I need a slice of that pie.

    [–]Fatvod 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Link the site when it's up

    [–]nuesuh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    idk man. I'd watch the shit out of dwarf tennis

    [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (10 children)

    A much more comical example is the WNBA. I've watched it a few times out of curiosity and it's hilariously bad. As in, I am not an amazing ball player by any means and I could wipe the floor with any of them.

    If you want to get paid to have people watch you do something, you kinda have to be better at it than the people watching.

    [–]hostileguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Can't forget that the men are working more. They mostly play 5 set matches. Women always play 3. Longer hours deserves more pay.

    [–]changshuaidiao 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If you want to land a gig as a straight male pornstar, generally you have to first take more dicks then your female peers do.

    [–]masnera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    TL;DR male pornstars - I got your back.

    pornstars ? haha

    [–]michael_wilkins 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Male tennis players usually get paid more than female tennis players, because they are a bigger draw. More ticket sales. More TV sales. Why? Sexist TV viewers of both genders? No... it's because the best get paid the most. Female tennis is a separate division, and everyone knows who would win in a male vs. female tennis match.

    Actually they also play 5 sets as opposed to Women 3.

    [–]Fuck_shadow_bans 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Male tennis players usually get paid more than female tennis players,

    Not true, really. They get more in total compensation (from endorsements, etc), but all the Grand Slam events and most of the major tournaments pay the same in prize money to the men's and women's champion, despite the men drawing roughly 6 times more viewers/attendees.

    [–]OShaughnessy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I always thought the women got paid less because, they played less tennis?

    3 Set max v. 5 Set max.

    [–]Giga7777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I think, actually hell i'm pretty certain there is plenty of men lined up to be a male porn star. Most betas would do this job for minimum wages

    [–]NeoreactionSafe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

     

    Porn is free these days.

    If people make any money that should be a surprise.

     

    [–]Robx9001 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It's advertising for escorts.

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    [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    And you are right. But this reasoning is not applied to tennis. Or in other words: supply and demand is not applied to women.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    [–]Toxicbutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I like the last part about the no bitchen if you already make bank.

    [–]mister_dice 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    If Manuel Ferrara, Keiran Lee and Danny D are considered the best in the business then I honestly don't believe that they should get a raise. If you allow male pornstars to get fat, trashy tattoos and being generally unappealing to watch then why would get paid more? It has happened to me many times that I switched to a lesbian scene instead of watching some guy with a tire around his belly fuck my favourite pornstar.

    [–]Linrraba 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    If Manuel Ferrara

    He was rated the best porn star to work with by his female counterparts so deserves his money. Keiran Lee and Danny D are kept for Brazzers for a reason: they make them money.

    [–]mister_dice 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Yes he WAS, now he's got fat, but he is still considered one of the best...

    [–]Linrraba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If the girls dig him why would I complain?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    At the end of the day, the tennis players who bring in the money should get paid the most, no matter the gender. Just like how ronda rousey gets paid more then many male fighters, she generates the more capital. It just happens that more male tennis players generate more viewings. The same for porn. If a pornstar has a massive following, they should get paid acordingly, regardless of gender.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    When you think about it. Ronda Rousey's job was to put paying butts into expensive seats and to get people to order pay per views which featured her in it. She only did this by fighting but her real job was a sales/marketing job. And she was better at this than most men were in the UFC. She was the biggest draw during her invincible prime streak.

    [–]aazav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Unless you believe in supply and demand.

    [–]digitalmasta1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Apparently the Japanese porn industry has too many women and not enough men so pay is actually better for men when compared to the States.

    [–]foldpak111 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    The gender pay gap does exist--just reverse the genders.

    God the misandry is becoming too much to bare. Now I understand why guys just lose it and start shooting motherfuckers. Can't say I'd lose it in that sense, but in the sense that I just give up on society. I'm going to make enough money to retire in Thailand and just peace out once everything is set up.

    [–]TheCarm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The historic battle of the sexes match where billy jean won was also reportedly rigged by the mob.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/08/billie-jean-kings-battle-of-the-sexes-win-reportedly-rigged/

    [–]TRPmmm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Not to mention, the women only play 3 sets. That's no way near as gruhling as the mens matches can be (see Nadal v Djokovic in the 2012 Aus Open final which lasted just shy of 6 hours). The women simply don't pull the same viewership and thus they don't deserve to be paid as such. If you take the approach that the personal merit of the player justifies their pay grade, then you also have to agree that a running back deserves to be paid equal salary to the star quarterback of an NFL team. I see no feminists vehemently pushing that agenda.

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