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NPR episode over the Radio today calling out theredpill. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by anon35201

In the car I heard NPR over the FM radio this: APRIL 26, 2018: "The 'INCEL' (involuntary celibate) movement", which might have motivated the man allegedly behind the van attack in Toronto. To hear it: https://www.npr.org/podcasts/381444246/pri-s-the-world (This link just a segment teaser, see the full episode below) In the minutes after 39:20 and 43:20 they talk about theredpill subreddit by name, and how our ideologies are merging with the incel movements.

In the audio, they specifically mentioned "reddit" twice by name and also mentioned "subreddits" all around the manosphere, like theredpill without saying it's name plainly, so as to not attract attention. They mentioned the links to Rollo Tomassi's Social market Value, and the hate you're all spewing around this subreddit, the female host was using all the same acronyms theredpill uses, like PUA, incels, etc.

They're calling us out as a dangerous new ideology that's spreading violent toxic masculinity over the internet and over the world: motivating men to become disengaged from women, no longer pursuing women, talking about manspreading, mansplaining, toxic masculinity. Talking about recent posts I remember reading, such as where older and higher SMV men were saying without apology that they don't date women over 29. This is an alarming affront to the progressive democrat liberal left NPR feminine imperative and they're trying to link the Toronto terrorist groups to male-centered female-hating misogynistic ideologies spread around here.

Female callers were calling in to ask: "How can I make sure my man doesn't get infected by these online hate groups?". And about how we can apply pressure to the maintainers of the website to shut down these subreddits spreading hateful ideologies that lead to terrorist attacks.

We're being watched by journalists and government paid PHD researchers on national news media. Post Smiley faces, you're on candid camera.

EDIT:

The link above was just the preview, the full segment is here: http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2018/04/27/incels-toronto-van-attack Download the MP3 so you can skip ahead. There they bring in the PHD's and talk about theredpill. Reddit mentioned by name @16:22 Discussion of chads and stacys. Explanation of manosphere subreddits @ 17:35. @19:25 Ideological manosphere echo chamber subreddits. @21:15 male supremacy is now being added as an official ideological hate group. @21:50 compared with ISIS and white supremacists. @22:35 hatred metastasizing. @24:45 Anti-feminism groups don't call themselves incels. @26:40 referring to "White heterosexual male caucasians." @28:50 "Toxic masculinity is refined on internet subreddits". How do we break that? @29:20 normies and gettin banned. @30:15: acronym PUA explained. "We hunted the mammoth" website tracks us. @33:10 explanation of SMV. Introdoctrination of sexual market value based on various things. Game playing women. Hate groups, imagine how it feels for women. @34:40 "How do I steer my man away from these online hate groups?"


[–]Omnibrad 618 points619 points  (22 children)

"How can I make sure my man doesn't get infected by these online hate groups?"

Don’t worry, ladies. You cannot own us and make us “your” men. We own ourselves now. Problem solved.

[–]nappy_poontang 451 points452 points  (6 children)

Can you imagine “How can I make sure my women doesn’t get infected by these far left feminist groups?” Total shitstorm inbound.

[–][deleted] 194 points195 points  (3 children)

There's this mainstream idea that a woman needs to 'control her man' and it's really weird. I saw a headline that said something along the lines of 'Not Even Kim Can Control Kanye'...like was she supposed to be able to??

[–]DodgedAFew 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Yes, by denying sex or smth.

[–]319Skew 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Except I'd love to be in that room when she tries. I don't think sex power games work to well when you're a celebrity and can have 10s fight for the privilege of getting throat fucked

[–]based_meme 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This is a very effective test of propaganda brainwashing. Saying this verbatim versus what the lady in the radio show verbatim and then seeing the differences in reactions will demonstrate what we all already know.

[–]beginner_ 45 points46 points  (2 children)

"How can I make sure my man doesn't get infected by these online hate groups?"

Give him the best sex ever, cook, clean, be nice, never nag. That will do it for sure.

[–]DildoEngineer69 52 points53 points  (3 children)

If they could, those men wouldn't be men at all

[–]SeamusAwl 35 points36 points  (2 children)

That is what they try to do in marriage. Failing that, they do it in divorce.

[–]beaucop 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Can confirm. Source: ex wife is slowly going insane trying to control me in family court

[–]EducationalDentist 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Stay strong and steady, brother. Be Jesus walking on water.

[–]DareyFathom 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Women falling for the lies of feminism is how men get "infected." The truths are self-evident to anyone with a shred of perception.

[–]1kevin32 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The more men who choose self-sovereignty over the feminine imperative, the more women end up on r-WhereAreAllTheGoodMen.

[–]truedemocracy3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Love how the answer from the left recently with everything is pure censorship.

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    [–]red_matrix 342 points343 points  (137 children)

    TRP is the complete opposite of incel, lumping them in the same bucket is bad journalism. Mods should sticky something so tourists (like the media) can see the HUGE differences that exist. TRP men seek to understand women, and to be the best version of themselves that they can be. It's that simple.

    [–]JF0909 190 points191 points  (57 children)

    You think they care about good research? They are pushing the men=bad agenda and this community is a goldmine for that in their eyes. They will cherry-pick through this sub for the anger-phase posts and that will be in their articles, not the advice about a healthy lifestyle and relationships.

    [–]red_matrix 37 points38 points  (53 children)

    As people get curious and check out this sub they'll see for themselves they're being lied to (I hope). This could backfire on the media.

    [–]thetompain 19 points20 points  (1 child)

    The reddit admins will nuke this sub before that ever happens. Just watch, this sub is about to be flooded with fake posters that shift the dialogue in a hateful direction and the admins will then have justification to nuke it. They do this ALL THE TIME.

    [–]Unrealenting 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Nah, they won't. We'd mobilize and exterminate any interlopers.

    [–]wanderer779 20 points21 points  (18 children)

    that's why they will eventually try to censor it or just eliminate it. They don't want men, conservatives, whites, etc. congregating and sharing ideas. Everyone knows the rules are being selectively applied.

    [–]red_matrix 38 points39 points  (16 children)

    This shouldn't be a political sub either. Reddit has been transformed into a left vs right all over, we don't need that here.

    [–]o0joshua0o 32 points33 points  (10 children)

    Hear hear! I'm pretty liberal, and a TRP advocate. Please don't alienate me and others by turning this into a left vs. right issue.

    [–]swishandswallow 19 points20 points  (3 children)

    Yes, TRP isn't about Left or Right, Democrat or Republican, TRP is above all that, TRP is just unadulterated truth.

    [–]htowntrav 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Band of brothers weathers the storm. Also there has to be a rabbit hole for this particular sub to be used as a scapegoat.

    [–]2Overkillengine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    As if the followers of Alinsky are going to give any of us a choice.

    Anything or anyone that deviates from their controlled narratives will become a target.

    [–]Celicni 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It should not of course. Politics should be nuked immediately especially if "the media" is checking this place out. But I'd bet that a large amount of people here is conservative.

    [–]Your_Coke_Dealer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Or just run it through the CNN filter.

    “Remember, it’s illegal to download this, but it’s different for the media”. -Chris “I wish I was as much of a tyrant as my brother” Cuomo

    [–]Htowngetdown 8 points9 points  (28 children)

    It’s certainly backfiring on them with Trump. If he’s as bad as the media says, why does everything seem to be going so well?

    [–]red_matrix 23 points24 points  (1 child)

    A lot of what the media sells is click-bait. Anything to get your attention and sell ads. The truth is irrelevant.

    [–]Htowngetdown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    True. I’m sure a lot of them don’t buy what they themselves are selling

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      [–]Chaddeus_Rex 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      like castrating the EPA while denying climate change

      EPA doesn't do anything anyways and just eats up valuable resources. As for climate change - its very much like the MSM reporting fake news about feminism and social issues. Much of climate change "research" is politcally motivated and falsified.

      [–]IndividualSplit 1 point2 points  (17 children)

      state department is empty because democraps are obstructing his appointments

      or furthering regulatory capture of the internet

      It really can't possibly get any worse than where in europe people are arrested and jailed for "hate speech". I think we're fine at this rate.

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        [–]blownnnn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It's becoming pretty clear that he is not a bad president (so far) and the media has an agenda to attack him because people will read/click.

        I'm not even a Trump supporter but would you want a corrupt president with politically selfish agenda or a president who utilizes his power for a better future at the expense of a bad reputation/status?

        Like Even George Bush jr's foresight worked to stabilize/benefit the middle east.

        [–]Dr_Drini 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        Couldn’t agree more, I would argue that TRP is actually a force fighting against the incel movement by better teaching men to understand the dynamic between the sexes and how not to become an embittered sexless loser who wants to get back at the world by driving a van through a crowd. I guess ignorance in the media is nothing new though.

        [–]1empatheticapathetic 16 points17 points  (8 children)

        The knowledge base is the same for TRP, MGTOW, incels, where are all the good men. Just different expressions of those ideas.

        TRP is the pragmatic execution of sexual strategy in today’s climate. Incels is a ‘involuntary’ nihilistic surrender to the game overemphasising the the factor of looks in sexual attraction. MGTOW is a ‘voluntary’ surrender based on self interest/risk. And r-WAATGM is just another form of MGTOW hyperfocusing on the entitlement aspect of post wall women.

        None of the theory clashes, just the aims and expectations.

        [–]precisionclear 3 points4 points  (6 children)

        If Incels wait it out a little longer when VR, real synthetic flesh, and sex robots with advanced AI became mainstream, then they will be doing just fine.

        [–]Chaddeus_Rex 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Its like a book written by Stanislaw Lem where people start engaging in a huge amount of sex when robots come out then go to the opposite extreme and die out. Can't wait

        [–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Incels can see escorts. That’s not the point though.

        [–]daemon86 12 points13 points  (12 children)

        I recently said that on a different sub. Bad idea. According to everyone else TRP = incels and the misogyny of everyone who isn't feminist is the reason for such attacks. It would be funny if this ignorance wouldn't be causing more attacks and deaths.

        [–]red_matrix 26 points27 points  (11 children)

        Reddit is pretty left wing in general, and the loyal brainwashed subjects are automatically feminist/man-hating (beta?) men. Ideology drives a lot of these people.

        Oddly enough, I've seen a lot of women in YouTube advocating red-pillish ideas. The message is being spread, it's the new counter-culture, especially if women (albeit a tiny minority) are starting to push RP.

        [–]precisionclear 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        Modern day society seems bizarre. What we call "organic food" used to just be called "food" Mindfully/Meditative eating used to just be called "eating" "Niche culture of women pushing TRP" used to be called "parents raising their children.

        In the middle of test driving a new car the other day, the christmatic salesman casually informed me that he had two children, and wanted to kill himself.

        I've yet to meet a single happy father or married man in his 30s.

        [–]daemon86 2 points3 points  (9 children)

        Normally I like leftism but that feminism is the worst, especially in the media, like every single newspaper. (in Europe, I don't know about US)

        [–]motzart73 10 points11 points  (7 children)

        I’m more left than right... far left and the far right are dangerous for different reasons.

        [–]daemon86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Nice that not everyone here is right wing. After all there are different topics in which we can have left or right opinions.

        [–]red_matrix 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Feminism is all over the media here. Has been for decades.

        [–]1OneRedSock 9 points10 points  (1 child)

        Hah.

        Two options:

        1) They didn't do enough research to understand the difference.

        or (most likely)

        2) They know the difference and use incels as the "in" to destroy everything else they dislike that can be remotely tied to it.

        It's the same as using fear of terrorism to convince people to give up their liberty in the name of safety and the common good.

        And I assure you, they do not see the "good things" of TRP as good enough to counter the "bad things", or they don't see the benefits at all.

        [–]thetompain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        "incels" will be like "nazi". Anyone they throw that label at will be persecuted by their minions. You wait and see.

        [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 7 points8 points  (1 child)

        TRP men seek to understand women, and to be the best version of themselves that they can be. It's that simple.

        No we don't.

        We seek to fuck bitches and get money.

        Go away MSM. There's nothing for you to see here. Women are subhuman. I am the king of Portugal. Misogyny, misogyny, misogyny.

        [–]ohyeawellyousuck 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Unfortunately, I think the tone that some of our posts have, and the content in certain cases, highlight a different perceived goal than to understand women and be the best version of ourselves. That is what I believe TRP is at its core, and should be. But many posters feel the need to verbally assault any betas in the audience, with posts that are ridden with "don't be a fucking bitch" or "awalt: she doesn't give a fuck about you, so don't give a fuck about her". This gives off an entirely different vibe for those that do not understand the red pill than simply wanting to be better and understand women interaction.

        I always come back to your point when I'm reading a field report and thinking about the selection bias that occurs for red pill men (being that if you don't care about rejection and just keep moving on until you get a hit, there's a chance that the woman you land has similar attributes to woman other red pill men land using the same techniques, and this causes an opinion of AWALT).

        As I listen to people, maybe in the anger phase which is a fair point that is not seen by outside journalists, and hear their emotional drenched posts full of anger and language that can be implied as hate, I wonder where this fits in to the red pill founding ideals (as I understand them) of understanding and growing.

        In the end, I think because of things like the anger phase, and the assumed need to bitch slap a beta into action, combined with a bit of selection bias and some opinions that can come off in a negative light when viewed through a blue lens, we're never going to be viewed by mainstream media as an accepted subreddit. Those who take the time to research the red pill will probably end up red pilled (though, that does sound a little culty) as they are exposed to some truths, and those who wouldn't take the red pill will never change their opinions anyways, no matter what evidence to the contrary. Neither of this groups of people will aid in changing the mainstream view in our favor, so instead we have to deal with terrible reporting and being lumped in with every other group of people they want to spew hate on this week.

        I guess, stay strong is the only advice we can offer. It's like a media wide shit test. How would you respond to a woman saying these things to you? Do that to the media. Be a man.

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          [–]2Dmva100 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Paging u/bsutansalt.

          This is a great idea. Think you can copypasta that old disclaimer you wrote for CNN visitors that time and rebrand with NPR?

          It'll be a good opportunity to break out the banhammer too.

          [–]eclectro 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          But then we wouldn't have "fake news" like what we do now. I.e. make broad based accusations to justify an established narrative that men are somehow dumb, stupid, bad, creepy, a rapist and deserve to stand in the back of the room. You know, because of the wage gap/s

          So, as a side note, how many are planning on seeing the new Marvel movie?? Even in that movie men are made out to be dumb pieces of shit.

          Bet they don't talk about that on NPR very much now!

          [–]o0joshua0o 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I don't know...There are a lot of very powerful and/or brilliant male characters in that movie. Tony Stark, Thor, Bruce Banner, Dr. Strange.

          [–]red_matrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          It's a Hollywood movie...designed to make money. Therefore, it is designed to appeal to everyone (lowest common denominator). Why do you think Marvel (Disney) makes movies? Take the red pill and see what's behind the curtain.

          [–]Aggressive_Beta 0 points1 point  (13 children)

          Who cares if they lie about us? They’re giving us more attention which grows our numbers.

          [–]SavingMasculinity 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          Exactly. Incels just give up, and are the real misogynists. We seek to better our relationships with women and to understand them so we can all be happy. Incels are just negative nancies. It's really ignorant that TRP is being lumped in with the incels. It's an insult to real men.

          [–]omegaXXIV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          lumping them in the same bucket is bad journalism.

          Well this is NPR we're talking about here.

          [–]TheBrokenRuler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          To be the best versions of ourselves, and fuck a loooot of women. Opposite of incels indeed.

          [–]lItsAutomaticl 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          You'd think so but I've seen plenty of comments here just bashing women for no reason that get hundreds of up votes, and when I call people out on it I immediately get downvoted. The incel and MGTOW crowd is definitely a part of this subreddit, there's no use denying it. Plenty of dumb scrubs are drawn to TRP ideology for shitty reasons.

          [–]red_matrix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          If people like incels come on here and spew their typical crap they do get downvoted. I don't know why incels would want to be here unless they plan to grow.

          [–]SKRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Do not explain truth to emotion!

          [–]refusewool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Why waste our time writing a post explaining the difference? Let them think we are the same as incels... what journalists / mainstream media think or say we do is completely irrelevant. It should not affect you in any way.

          [–]SeamusAwl 140 points141 points  (4 children)

          no longer pursuing women,

          So she has not actually read the TRP subreddit.

          [–]SavingMasculinity 37 points38 points  (2 children)

          She must be thinking of incels. Dumb broad.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 20 points21 points  (1 child)

          1. It's been a long time since casual journalists have abandoned professionalism. You can't expect a modern journalist to do even the most basic research and information cross-check. Takes too long.

          2. Even if they were still acting professional, journalists still need to spin a story according to a narrative that sells papers. It has always been the case, from the biggest national papers to the tiniest local ones, and it's even more important now that they don't make much money anymore due to the internet. So in that context, there's even less reasons to research your topic.

          In conclusion, don't expect any news outlet to produce anything else but incredibly-biased, poorly-researched work. It's quite astonishing when you see a paper reporting on a topic you know of, either because you were there or because the topic that's your specialty. They absolutely always get it wrong or spin it the way they want. Always. 100% of all articles you can read.

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Yup. I remember watching the news reports from my deployment, I laughed, according to them we were strangling terrorists bare handed.

          In reality we were chasing phantom Somalis in sea state 6

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 106 points107 points  (19 children)

          Call something a movement and it starts down a dark path.

          Now it's a group that is accountable to the public over a single murderer. Much easier to boxcar them.

          Thats why everything has to be a culture/ideology

          [–]Cissnowflake 26 points27 points  (6 children)

          It doesn’t matter who you are. It only matters what group you belong to

          [–]Ieatlinner 21 points22 points  (5 children)

          Saw a headline the other day that went along the lines of 55 year old queer, black, man accomplished some feat”

          Why not just say a person accomplished that feat? Why is that even relevant

          [–]Cissnowflake 17 points18 points  (4 children)

          Because it doesn’t matter who you are, it only matters what group you belong to

          [–]Unrealenting 10 points11 points  (3 children)

          Ironically, TRP is a hive of men who have honed themselves into shit-test-passing Gods. Literally any argument made against us can be flipped and put into the context of "What if women did this to men"? and thus negate their argument, effectively poisoning them with their own medicine and increasing the strength of TRP ideology.

          I welcome such criticism because it will finally encourage dialogue regarding the expectations and sacrifices of men and women when it comes to relationships and sex.

          Women complain about "toxic masculinity" but all research points overwhelmingly to the fact that women like assholes, whether they realize it or not, their biology sexually responds and favors confrontative, arrogant, and muscular men who take what they want without apology. The Patriarchy exists because women benefit from it, their only REAL gripe with Men doing all the work and earning all the money is whether they get the best Guy in the hierarchy out of the deal.

          The moment they bring their feelings into the argument they will be annihilated by logic and facts, which are unwavering, and it will only weaken their position. Deep down women know they live, in one way or another, to serve men. Men do too. It's simply a fact that Men rule the world, and it is because we are forced to compete for women's attention and affection, and they will, if they can, take nothing less than the bravest, smartest, and strongest man, and these types of men are, by necessity for survival in the midst of constant competition, ruthless.

          If Women want to remove "toxic masculinity" they will need to stop being so incredibly selective and capricious when it comes to their choice of mate, but that would of course mean they lose the benefit of only pursuing the man that can best provide for them and their children, and so they need men to compete, and this competition will only get more deadly as inequity continues to increase and women continue to only give attention to men at the increasingly shrinking top of the hierarchy of men with resources.

          [–]systemshock869 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          You're a bit optimistic I think. Men who are steeped in feminine primary culture don't make those logical connections. Back them in to a logic corner and they'll really lash out with the attacks because their mantra is "don't think about it."

          Also, plenty of women are just happy to find a beta to string along for life. I don't see the masses unsinking the Titanic any time soon.

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Acknowledging stupiduty is not passing a shit test.

          A shit test would pat them on the head and giving them a lollipop.

          [–]TravelingShitLord 12 points13 points  (2 children)

          I fucking hate the boxes that everyone wants to put others into.

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 11 points12 points  (0 children)

          Can't do much about it, we are hardwired to save the brain cycles. Just control the narrative (aka have frame) and guide people to where you want them to be

          [–]precisionclear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I don't think TRP or MGTOW could ever be a political movement. There's no wealth to redistribute, not giving a specific group economic benefits and power over all others.

          [–]MortalSisyphus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Now it's a group that is accountable to the public over a single murderer. Much easier to boxcar them.

          They will group you no matter what you call it.

          A Trump supporter kills someone and suddenly its "the murderous Trump supporters."

          There's no way to escape it except through irrelevancy.

          [–]drty_pr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          People love generalizations because they're lazy and it makes thinking easier for them.

          [–]SavingMasculinity 63 points64 points  (6 children)

          To you journalists: This is a self-improvement sub. This sub is against what the incels sub stands for (giving up, hating women). You're spreading false information to suit your agenda and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

          [–]Unrealenting 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          They don't like the fact that the truth about most Women is posted here. It forces them to acknowledge the pain and suffering that their selfish choices create in society. They only want the very best Man possible and want the rest of the Men to simply stay quiet and do what they're told, which is inherently intolerable and will inevitably create conflict, because one of the most basic criteria for being a Man in society is whether or not you have a Woman. Naturally, they have this confusion because it is so incredibly easy for Women to receive attention and affection from the opposite sex so they aren't able to understand the feelings of a Man who is completely ignored, especially because he is too agreeable and empathetic. It doesn't help that Women themselves don't even understand why they aren't attracted to Men who are agreeable and empathetic when they themselves receive easy attention and consideration for having these traits, and so when a Man tries to distance himself from these qualities and begins to receive female attention he can easily become tempted with removing himself as much as possible from these qualities and becoming a psychopath or sociopath, as it gets him laid exponentially more than being nice and kind.

          Women respond very positively to Machiavellian behavior on a very deep level of their subconscious and it's impossible for them to acknowledge that without extreme cognitive dissonance, so they just blame men and dust themselves off of any accountability while continuing to encourage the behavior by responding extremely favorably to it through sexual selection.

          [–]anon35201[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Agreed and we need to turn the conversation around to: "Toxic Femininity" and: "How do I keep my woman from getting infected by these far-left psychologically manipulative groups" who are hurting society as a whole and causing western Birth rate to fall below replacement.

          [–]party_dragon 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Stop explaining yourself to women and/or journalists. They don’t want to understand.

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            [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Youre failed before you showed up, that was the catalyst. It takes balls to blame internet blogs for trying to help clean up a hopeless cases mess.

            [–]Magnus_Konrad 32 points33 points  (0 children)

            I had a feeling this was going to happen as soon as they made the incel connection after the van massacre; that they'd be coming for TRP next by lumping the two together. It could be that normies might not understand the significant differences between incel and TRP, but I think that its more likely they don't care and just want to demonize it as wrongthink. We all know why TRP mindset would be considered "dangerous" to those whose agenda is to neuter men, but after Toronto they can now claim that the danger has transcended into a physical threat to society. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if TRP gets banned in the near future.

            Anyone who spends enough time here and keeps an open mind should be able to see that TRP isn't about hating women; on the contrary, this sub loves women. It's about self-improvement in all aspects of your life as a man and offering support and advice to those who seek it.

            [–]Banned-in-Boston 22 points23 points  (1 child)

            Yo media wonks.

            You will not find here what you were assigned to uncover. Your task-driven mandate to unmask lurid, antisocial "activities" will fail.

            TRP is a hospital for losers. We help them become proper masculine winners. TRP is very successful at that.

            If/when you write about us, only one thing will happen. More losers will check into Hospital and emerge as winners.

            If your overlord's mandate to you is to conflate TRP with anything negative, you will only increase our positive reach and social impact.

            Thank you for playing our game.

            [–]Fulp_Piction 47 points48 points  (5 children)

            I think the attitudes reflected here have always been around, we're just pragmatic when it comes to relationships. If some other model of intersexual dynamics explained the way things work more effectively then we'd be on that, we're observing a system and figuring it out.

            People talk about trp as if we created this world to be dicks to women, whereas 90% of the people here started out blue pill by default and figured it doesn't work. Online forums like this are the result of the collective trying to solve a problem.

            You can't kill an idea.

            [–]Not_creative_fun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Oh damn, can’t argue with this.

            [–]FaerieDrake 41 points42 points  (7 children)

            Say what you want about TRP but I'm destroying** life currently in almost every aspect of my life (although not careerwise). For relationships, I was hopelessly BP, and right now I'm spinning one plate and having other ONS's. This would've never happened without TRP. The plate recently mentioned how I was fantastic and she found it mysterious that I could "read through her thoughts". Just basic body language and TRP game knowledge.

            Edit: destroy in a positive manner

            [–]thunderbeyond 10 points11 points  (5 children)

            This is exactly why they are so scared.

            [–]NeverLace 7 points8 points  (4 children)

            I honestly don't think that the media knows that this is how the redpill affects men, they just grouped trp with incels and associate it with misogyny.

            [–]cptspiffy 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            They don't care, all they want to do is sell ads. Outrage does this for them.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Easier to sell and manipulate people's fear, it's a primal thing

            [–]RedPilledRoaster 16 points17 points  (0 children)

            Lmao. Just women having a tantrum as usual. It’ll pass.

            [–]TheDevilsAdvokaat[🍰] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

            How is TRP a hate group?

            If it is, then is feminism a hate group?

            [–]AllahHatesFags 33 points34 points  (1 child)

            TRP is about sexual strategy and self-improvement; Incels are just a bunch of losers who can't get laid so they adopted our vocabulary to bitch about it. They have no sexual strategy and obviously don't improve themselves. Incels do tend to commit mass shootings because they are hopeless losers who snap and now they are trying to blame the entire manosphere for their actions. I wouldn't be surprised if they ban TRP and MGTOW sometime soon.

            [–]drizztdourden420 37 points38 points  (2 children)

            When women and feminists freely talk about the evil patriarchy, toxic masculinity, manspreading, and male complicity in everything evil that happens in the world, then they can't act surprised when men come away with the idea that society doesn't like them.

            Feminists, in particular, need to own the part that they've played in creating groups like TRP, MGTOW, MRAs.

            Feminists never liked men and refused to really accept men as part of their movement. Still they must have thought that they could dictate to men how men should react to feminism being so pervasive in our society. Men have minds of their own and formed TRP and other groups to talk about their issues. This is independent of feminists and so, naturally, that scares feminists.

            What can feminists do? The best they can do is again, act out of their irrational fear by trying to associate tragic events with all Mens groups, even where there is absolutely no connection whatsoever. They're hoping to own that narrative and to convince the general public that men joining together is dangerous.

            I say, fuck the feminists. TRP, MGTOW, and MRA groups are just a response to TOXIC feminism. If there was ever a group formed for their hatred of others, it was the feminist movement. If they want to point the finger and identify the haters, there's three fingers pointing back at them.

            [–]EscapeTheGoat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            They apparently don't hate men. They just named their mortal enemy, "the patriarchy", after us.

            [–]FrostyFurseal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            It is interesting how the very word feminism has bias in it. Maybe feminism once meant rational things like equality in voting, birth control access, etc. But modern feminism has merged with identity politics and SJWism and become something quite sexist.

            [–]Hjalmbere 54 points55 points  (4 children)

            How the fuck is TRP an ideology? It’s a strategy for navigating the sexual marketplace. There’s an overlap with PUA. I would say get your strategy from TRP and your tactics from PUA. Incels is just a circle jerk for sad people.

            [–]1StinkyDiaper 25 points26 points  (0 children)

            It's threatening to women who wish to rule the world and enslave men in the process.

            [–]precisionclear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            Referring to PUA as an ideology was especially stupid. ... Purely dating strategies to get laid... How do you even?

            [–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            It's not even a strategy. It's a collection of observations and conclusions.

            [–]nappy_poontang 30 points31 points  (2 children)

            Men are going to get asked about this by their significant others/family members/friends and associates.

            In my experience the best response is total ignorance. I have had zero positive outcomes from trying to share what I’ve learned here to other guys. (Even though they have witnessed and commented on my drastic improvements in life recently)

            [–]FrostyFurseal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I was once friends with someone who was married and hadn't had sex with his nagging wife for ages. I tried hinting at him that maybe he was BP but he came back with, "There are different ways of being alpha." Dude was deep in denial.

            [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

            After the incels sub shut down, many migrated here. It didn't go well for them.

            [–]420KUSHBUSH 9 points10 points  (1 child)

            We're being watched by journalists and government paid PHD researchers on national news media. Post Smiley faces, you're on candid camera.

            You say that is if we weren't already. In fact you say that like not every citizen in the world is being monitored and watched

            [–]1Ill_Will7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            preach. everything we do is monitored and recorded, then condensed into meta data to try and predict our thoughts and patterns so they can control us easier as well as sell products to us easier. Stay vigilant my friends

            [–]grewapair 15 points16 points  (2 children)

            If they got a topic you know about so wrong, how many topics you don't know much about has NPR gotten wrong?

            [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (5 children)

            Do these dumb fucks not realise that "There's no such thing as bad publicity". Within the next week or so, TRP membership is about to sky rocket. I just hope the app/website u/redpillschool was working on will be up and running when the sub gets shut down

            [–]anon35201[S] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

            Mods better get ready for a bunch of new viewers when people google search for manosphere subreddits with keywords like 'the red pillers', PUA, Incels and SMV. And end up here.

            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

            Has the potential to legitimise TRP within academic circles as "food for thought". May even benefit society when MRA's are listened to and the courts change, men become men, feminism dies etc... Or we all just get called hate filled, sociopathic freaks who need to get a life. Can't wait to find out

            [–]medicineandsports 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            This would be great to see. But I think there is no chance that we gain acceptance in the general public. Women will obviously be against us (especially the “empowered”/probably uggo ones), and beta men who answer to these women will be against us as well.

            I don’t think it’s so bad the way things are though. I feel like I’m living my life with a cheat code that requires a lot of work but comes with all the benefits I could ever want.

            [–]1AuspexAO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Some women are surprisingly cool with the core concepts of TRP. I have a young man at my job that is BP (but starting to fight it) and I'll give him little pieces of advice when he asks. I don't try and fill him up on the sidebar or anything, he's not there yet. Most of the time there's a lady or two around and they always agree with me. Could be it's just that they're absorbing into my frame, but a lot of the shit women complain about in men: "smothering", "stalking," "obsessing" is all just code for "I HATE BP MEN" lol.

            [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 40 points41 points  (16 children)

            For some reason ignorant people like to tie TRP into failed unrelated ideologies like incel, MGTOW, PUA, etc.

            TRP is its own thing.

            [–]TravelingShitLord 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            Came here looking for an answer. Stayed for the understanding.

            [–]RandomReeditUser 7 points8 points  (12 children)

            Could you elaborate as to why MGTOW is a "failed ideology"?

            [–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 28 points29 points  (11 children)

            MGTOW are nothing more than incels who celebrate the fact they are incel rather than feel down about it.

            I have issued the MGTOW challenge here on TRP for a while. Everyone who claims to be MGTOW needs to upload a shirtless mirror selfie of themselves. No one ever accepts the challenge. Why? Because men who are actually successful with women aren't going to go MGTOW. No man will walk away from a lifestyle that consists of having success with women. Therefore the only ones who actually go MGTOW are losers who are either too fat or too skinny and have low SMV, low confidence, bad game and never succeeded with women to begin with.

            They go MGTOW because it's their way of excusing their failure with women. They go MGTOW because it lets them say "Ha! You can't make fun of me for not having success with women, because actually I am MGTOW! I never even tried!"

            It's basically a way of saying "You can't fire me, I quit" in the sexual marketplace.

            [–]RandomReeditUser 9 points10 points  (0 children)

            I see where you're coming from. I don't agree, with all of it, but I do get it. Thanks for sharing.

            [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

            Nice. This should be stickied to the top for visitors. Perfect distillation.

            Edit: it was a shirtless bathroom selfie to a red piller that got me lifting. He said I looked like a famine victim, and he was right. The difference is amazing.

            [–]NeverLace 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            I agree. I like to think that TRP wins the game, while MGTOW aren't even playing.

            [–]EyeOfTerror 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Yeah, basically it’s just a rejection buffer

            [–]CreatedItJust2Saythi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Some MGTOW are not quitters, they simply understand the only real way of winning a woman or several harems is being (visually) attractive (that is, being muscular), since that's how Chad wins women. So those MGTOW just lift, and they don't apply to women any other game than lifting. Why should you apply any other game besides lifting? Chad doesn't need to do, all Chad needs is his attractiveness, so it wouldn't be fair. Why should you be inferior to Chad, exert greater efforts than Chad, and pay your women more expensively?

            [–]Just2UpvoteU 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            I'm a convert from TRP to MGTOW, and I can't disagree more with your statement.

            Some men just get sick of the games just to get their dick wet.

            When all you have to offer is pussy, and my hand can get it done quicker, more effectively, and without all the bullshit and backtalk, what's the point?

            I've already passed along my genes. No other reason for a woman at this point.

            [–]Kbrownnd97 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Like the skeletons to David Pumpkins.

            [–]TheRealMewt 11 points12 points  (0 children)

            I'd love to see the looks on the NPR audience's faces when they visit this sub and start wondering "how are these guys women haters and involuntarily celibate when they're having sex left and right?"

            [–]Magnum256 5 points6 points  (0 children)

            How stupid. It's subs like this that are actually giving advice to men on how to NOT be incels. The ideology here has never been about hate, but about understanding.

            If anything, I'd say the biggest contributor to women-hate, self-hate, and incels is probably the commercial mainstream setting extremely high standards on both genders, but then telling men "it's okay to be a snowflake" and condoning things like laziness, obesity, weakness, etc. so that you'll get men who on some level (often subconsciously) know that ideally women want alphas and high-value men, but are mentally unequipped to achieve that ideal.

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            [–]RagingStallion 7 points8 points  (7 children)

            You guys shouldn't be proud of this, you should take it as a warning about how people see The Red Pill. Before I watched Tomassi's lecture I thought TRP was frustrated men venting about not getting laid. After the lecture I was blown away at how he linked evolutionary biology and sexual selection. Great stuff. The problem is that its being hushed by a cloud of mysogeny. There's a lot of people here that have an incredibly cynical and unhealthy view of women, and really do only view them as objects for sex. That's not what TRP is about, but that's the vibe it gives off because of some of the people here. There's a lot of comments on this sub that remind me of the twox echo chamber of angry women, but instead its sexually frustrated men. If it continues this way, nobody will take this stuff seriously, which is a shame.

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              [–]RagingStallion 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              That is a good point. Maybe it would be best to let people who actually care about the content find out for themselves. If accusations of toxic masculinity are enough for someone to ignore the teachings then they don't really want, or deserve, to hear us out.

              [–]HandsomeCub 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is a recipe for growing cohorts of 40 year old virgins that finally understand whats going on, feel that tremendous loss of their wasted youth, and just rage explode. Men need this stuff more than ever. And the more men that see things plainly and clearly, the less the confused women get to fuck things up. Life is way easier when everyone is on the same page as you. Things have got as bad as they are because of apathy along the lines of what you are displaying.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Keep in mind, many are still in Anger Mode, either recently or currently being bent over the table in divorce court.

              [–]buttgoogler 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              At first I felt a little bit of anger towards all this bullshit, but now I realized I, personally, don't give a flying fuck. I know I'm on the right path and it's all to care about.

              [–]Hugh_Munghous 10 points11 points  (1 child)

              NPR is garbage.

              [–]ssr401 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Yes but at least NPR garbage tastes a little better than most other news media garbage.

              [–]Ieatlinner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              The irony is that we’re not a movement. We actively advise AGAINST sharing this information with people. But that’s the power of an idea. Especially when it’s true.

              [–]yomo86 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              It is all about money and power. For a man what does he need to be happy? Excerice (cheap, one time equipment investment), a car, phone, computer, clothes (can be cheap or expensive but usually are one-time investments), friends (for free), success in fields he deems important. This man is per definition not a highly active part of our consumer oriented society. This man cannot be controled so easily thus to control him you need a proxy. But this proxy needs a purpose. Since women, biologically speaking, lack any purpose for a man besides child bearing, it has to be instilled in him that he is the one who is incomplete without being in an LTR with a woman. The parasite becomes disguised as a symbiont.

              [–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 7 points8 points  (1 child)

              Involuntarily celibate is a "movement" now? Last I checked it meant you can't get laid, not that you don't want to bother with females.

              Apparently the bitch taking about us knows next to nothing about us, which has become amusing as they flail around calling us names and trying to associate us with "bad people" and it always works out so well for them. Gotta have the oppressor who is dangerous so they can fight against something.

              To the feminist cunt blathering on npr, the society around you is changing despite your best efforts. Why is that? Simply because as more people realize that feminism is part of Marxist ideology, which is in essence communism, they check out. We don't want that shit here, we don't want dear leader telling us what we can't think and what we must say. You can call us misogynistic violent deplorables, but all we are is the start of the pendulum swinging back from the brink of your communist ideology and it's mass death result. Well cupcake, you cunts and your ideology are the oppressors of society.

              We are simply those who reject your actions/ideology in favor of reality. Be glad we are here, because the alternative is something you'd really not enjoy. We are the peaceful ones, who are not following dear leader off a cliff. The others out there who oppose communism in all its forms are not so easy going. They are distinctly different and apart from us, even though your effort to associate us with them. Go ahead though, keep pushing your fucked up agenda and try to promote yourself ahead via manipulation rather than through actual accomplishment and work, see what happens. The best you can hope for in this nation is for you and your ilk to fade into obscurity. I don't any of us would lift a finger to help you if the alternative came to pass. I know I wouldn't.

              [–]eclectro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Apparently the bitch taking about us knows next to nothing about us,

              Feminists don't need to know a damn thing about anyone here and that's exactly the point.

              They care about their own established narrative how they're far superior to men but yet for some reason need to have concessions everywhere in life so "they can be equal."

              In order to do that they have to oppress men by making them look stupid all the time. You know, so they can be our equals.

              [–]tomgoatb88 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              toxic femininity the horror!!!!!! Fuking hate beta males. The red pill isnt about hurting women its about doing us who gives a fuck what a bitch gotta say.

              [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              Feminists running scared. They now know they’ve pushed too much & woke up the giant.

              [–]motzart73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              It’s all about making yourself the best you can be .. not just about bitches and lifting

              [–]SoulRedemption 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              The more I see things like these the more I believe some of should be careful not to get doxxed.

              [–]ssr401 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              You guys ought to get together and drown the incels in a bathtub or something. Those fuckers are scary. You'd be doing society a favor.

              [–]SKRedPill 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Fortunately the most essential stuff from the sidebar is now inside my head.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              When Men Go Their Own Way, They Go With Hitler!

              I've already seen some Cosmo-compliant men on fb giving helpful discourses on incels and MRAs for the sake of their concerned woman friends. I saw a satirical prediction last year that "incel" would be used in presidential debates in 2020, the simulation is so fucked it might not even take that long. Anyone want to profit from this by making a Telluride-bait incel documentary?

              [–]JDRoedell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              It’s more important now than ever to remember that Red Pill is simply understanding truths (facts) about gender interactions. It’s making sure men don’t become doormats for women or even other men. It’s becoming the best version of yourself while not being manipulated. This throwing the red pill and MRA in with incels is just that.... an uninformed attempt to manipulate.

              Incels are a scary, unhinged bunch. They aren’t the red pill.

              [–]TunedtoPerfection 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Dude, we were a "dangerous hate group" 5 years ago, didn't work then and won't work now. They killed the PUA thing simply because PUA got to big for itself. When most of the PUA groups turned it into a business and targeted the awkward group of men with their "approach all women and don't take no for an answer" techniques it was easy to shoot down.

              Awkward guys just end up harassing women because they truly don't understand when to disengage and they don't understand that you can't stand in the same spot in a mall all day and hit on 10 women without being noticed.

              If you notice the PUA thing is having a resurgence and there is a HUGE focus on early disengagement because of that.

              The truth is, red pill is a truth in society, it self confirms itself when you unblind yourself to women's bullshit. Our theories are based of real life interactions, we don't have "tactics to get girls to like you", and we basically promote putting yourself as a man before putting a woman before you.

              There is not inherently wrong with that as women have been told to do that for years. That's the thing, if they ever tried to attack the core of what this is they would be outted as the hypocritical con artists they are, so they don't. They continue to attack the PUA side of things, the "lines", the "tactics" because that shit is creepy and cringey.

              Working on yourself, putting YOUR mission first, and finding enjoyment in YOUR pleasure over another beings is not wrong and it never will be. We just also happen to want to bring a female (or multiple females) along for the ride which is our awesome lives.

              There is no sin in sharing the greatness of living that I have obtained with another human.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              How does that old saying go? First they ignore you...

              I recall recently that the mods were discussing ways to move this sub to another platform as they are inevitably going to try to shut us down. I hope that these plans are underway. I’d expect a major assault before the 2020 elections.

              [–]Chaddeus_Rex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              The very concept of "hate speech" is anti-democratic and anti-free speech. If possible such hosts should be accused of being authoritarian and trying to spread a female dictatorship as they are anti-white female supremacists. Watch them splutter trying to defend themselves lololol.

              Also, there is nothing wrong with "hate". If you repress "hate" it will come out in other ways.

              I wrote a post on the van attack that discusses these issues, but was not allowed to post it. Is the moratorium lifted?

              [–]oldrunnerguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              As with marriage counseling, it becomes all about the response but not the root cause of problems that led to it. Why don't they ever do a show on the increasing number of "golddiggers" in this country or the increasing spread of female self-entitlement? Maybe, just maybe, they would come to some real truths worth talking about.

              [–]rimper 9 points10 points  (4 children)

              Your first mistake was, listening to NPR.

              [–]suburban-bad-boy 7 points8 points  (2 children)

              There is no mistake here, he is just telling us that this sub might get banned.

              [–]rimper 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Sure there is. NPR is agenda driven pablum.

              [–]thetompain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Dear mods,

              Please get delete happy with any new posters "joining the club". They will most likely be agents of destruction and will be the impetus of the downfall of this sub. The mods can protect us, but only if they ban and delete like crazy when we get impostors trying to make us look bad.

              [–]SerendipitySociety 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              BP media, call us misogynists all you want. At the end of the day you're cucked and we have staggeringly high social and sexual capital.

              [–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              Why you listen to that fake news agitprop liberal horseshit is beyond me. But yeah. TRP is merging ideologies with Incels.

              Shows how intelligent their "journalists" are. Then think what that says about their average listener.

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                [–]Zippy1776 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Interesting how anything focusing on a man improving himself is somehow linked to terrorism by these dweebs...

                [–]VickVaseline 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                ...and people wonder why we have TRP.RED .

                [–]Dirkz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                This place was better and would be a lot better without incels.

                [–]motzart73 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                Feminists are the most sexist bunch of idiots out there ... I was explaining some industry knowledge to a coordinator and got told I was mansplaining ..seriously I was trying to helpful .. wtf is wrong with these people .

                [–]Lambdal7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I feel like redpill isn't even mysogynistic anymore. It used to be in its beginnings, where it was pretty much blackpill, but nowadays there are more and more realistic views and bare truths than nust spewing hate.

                [–]acidicbitchdotcom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

                [–]htowntrav 0 points1 point  (6 children)

                Moderators have begun the censorship of the users in this thread. I’ve been banned from other sub’s.

                They are definitely painting TRP as a hatereddit. MODS are going ape shit.

                [–]HeavenlyMystery 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                What are you talking about?

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                Many other subs ban you for participating here.

                [–]iamnotfromtexas90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                irl is 'sexist ideology' to npr.

                [–]danoranika 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Can't D.E.E.R against these people. They don't understand TRP and they don't care to. They're going to push their gynocentric agenda like the blue pill matrix agents they are. All you can do is DA🅱 ON THESE HATERS... I shouldn't have said that, but you know what I mean.

                [–]comcain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                So the same week Wired magazine does a hit job on The Red Pill, NPR does a hit job on... Well, The Red Pill. Anyone else remember Gamergate, with 10 magazines simultaneously declaring, "The gamer is dead."? I can just see Time doing a piece on this. "The Red Pill: is your child taking it?" (Just to tie it into drugs). Paranoid? I hope so!

                [–]HandsomeCub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                CBC youtube did a short interview with the incel bus topic. "Expert" man in a beanie talks about how the "driving force of the manosphere is extreme misogyny". Surprised he didnt just throw in the rest of the internet as "driven by misogyny" with all his self loathing. Seriously, i know there are pockets of douchebags hovering around here, but there are also many brilliant amazing positive men, which is why i stick up for this place. The driving force behind the manosphere is actually just being awesome, and you need to see things plainly to do that. Men have a unique set of problems around sexuality that women have the luxury of ignoring or pretending are easy. We need to learn to push back all the insecurities being laid on us. We need the manosphere. I say if there is actual hate, everyone should call them out. The point of this is being a stud or just being happy, none of that dark shit blowing up busses because rejection oneitis.

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