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Red Pill Theory"The RP Comprehensive Guide to Dating Sites" (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Senior ContributorOmLaLa

TL;DR- This is a concise and updated guide on how to approach dating sites (with examples).

95% of the women I’ve "met with"/plated in the past couple months I’ve met on dating sites. I’m going to explain how.

A few months ago in an article entitled Local Sexy Single Women (LSSWs), I constructed a guideline which summarized an effective approach to handling dating sites within our feminine online social landscape. Here I will be updating that approach.

First, some key notes:

  • All women on dating sites are not primarily serious about meeting in-person. Women use dating sites purely for validation. It is your goal to pull them from this mindset and into your frame. Once this has occurred, the rest becomes easy.

  • Dicks don’t attract chicks. Women don’t want to see your dick. Women are aroused by the high SMV man attached to your dick. Don’t go waving your dick around unless it’s explicitly asked for. Don’t be that dick. Dicks are like pens. Everyone's got one, most people'll loan you one if you ask for it and unless it's super unique, nobody cares about it.

  • Approach LSSWs and dating sites like baking. You don’t begin baking a cake as soon as your starving and you don’t only bake one cake in case something goes wrong. Approach multiple women at once, only approach women you’d be excited to fuck and be ready to let them “bake” for at least a few days. Abundance mentality is a prerequisite to success.

  • Be attractive. I cannot stress this one enough. Take your shirt off and look at yourself in the mirror as objectively as possible. If an attractive woman would look odd standing beside you, she’ll feel the same way. Lift hard and feel confident in taking shirtless pictures of yourself before even attempting this guide. Insecurity always bleeds through.

  • Don’t hover. A lot of dating sites will inform you when you have a visitor. Don’t be that guy that visits her profile every hour. She will notice and it will put her off.

  • Be distant. I check dating sites roughly 3 times a day, even if my phone blows up (luckily I have a work phone and a play phone). That leaves a lot of messages unanswered for hours at a time. Distance creates intrigue, distance shows you’ve got a life, distance shows how unimportant she is to your daily life. This should be like baking a cake; you only take it out when it’s ready, so be patient and go read a book.

  • Insecurity always shows. If you’re uncomfortable being shirtless online, it’ll show. If you think the LSSW is out of your league, it’ll show. If you’re desperate to bang the next LSSW that messages you, it’ll show. Strong frame is also a prerequisite to this guide.

  • Be ready to drop out at any time. I don’t care how hot she was. I don’t care how well it was going. I don’t care how it seemed like a sure thing. Women and LSSWs are fickle, and remember that you are not real to them until you’re standing in front of them. They don’t feel the need to hamster or explain their actions to someone who doesn’t exist. So until you’re sitting in their living room sipping on whiskey and coke, don’t expect any compassion or mercy from them.

  • Avoid single mothers. Single mothers are dominant out of necessity; due to the lack of a father-figure in the relationship, the strong, stern frame must be developed by the mother in order to effectively discipline her children. As a result, single mothers typically come across as dominant, agressive and usually provide the greatest amount of "drama" and shit-tests. They're typically only on dating site in search of a replacement beta provider. It's not worth the effort.

  • Organization is key. Once you've become accustomed to this approach, you'll notice a stark increase in the amount of women you'll be in contact with. Organize them. In my contacts under "Name" I put there first name, the site I met them on, then the city or county they reside in. Melody POF Seattle or Gabby Tinder NYC. This'll help you keep track of who's who.

  • Don't start until you're ready. A strong frame, attractive figure and abundance mentality are REQUIRED prior to attempting this guide. If you don't have these 3 qualities yet or you feel that they could use improvement, handle that first. A lot of how you'll be judged as an alpha from here on will be based solely on perception and not necessarily the reality of your situation. Because of this, these qualities need to become second nature and aspects of yourself you don't have to think about. You need to know your frame is strong, know you're attractive and know you could move on if you had to.

  • Know what you want and only aim for that. I'm very attracted to women with long thin legs and a very slim frame OR thicker women with large breasts. The women who clearly show these traits in their pictures are the only ones I message. I say this because if you think they might have the traits you like but you're unsure, you open yourself to being catfished by an unattractive woman with good photography skills.

  • Don't be afraid of WonderTits™ one-word responses. If she's responding to you at all, she's interested to some degree and the guide still stands. This goes double for WonderTits™, who probably get 10x the messages compared to ordinary women.

  • Understand you opponent. Always think from the LSSW's perpective: they receive up to 50 messages a day, don't respond to most of them, but something about your profile picture and bios caught her attention. Find out what that something is and exploit it. Also, if you're noticing a point in the guide where a lot of LSSWs are dropping off, find out why and repair it.

  • Learn from your failures. I've dropped the ball countless times and so will you. Figure out what you said, how you said it and why you said whatever you said that lost her interest. Maybe you responded too soon? Maybe you came off as insecure or desperate? Remember, for this to work her perception of you is what matters. I'll be repeating this a lot.

  • Money doesn't matter. Don't talk on how much you make or flash around your wealth. She'll perceive it as compensation for something else or perceive you as a potential provider, both of which you don't want.

  • Turn off those pesky notifications. A watched pot never boils. If you see pending messages from POF, Tinder or OKC every time you check your phone, you're pretty likely to respond too soon. Go into your phone's settings and turn off those pesky notification pop-ups so pending messages can be addressed at your leisure.


PART 1- DATING SITES

As I’ve stated above, most LSSWs aren’t serious about meeting any of the guys they see online in-person. It’s like a game to them; the more men in their inbox, the more attractive they perceive themselves and the more confident they feel. You are not real to her until you are standing in front of her. The goal of this guide is to make that happen in as short a time span as possible while cutting out as much “shit-test”, “I have to get to know you first”, “I’m not that type of girl” BS as possible.

The goal of this section will be to get her number as effortlessly as possible ALL WHILE MAINTAINING YOUR FRAME. I stress this because getting a number is meaningless if the LSSW’s *perception of you is beta or a validation resource. Until you’re standing right in front of her, perception is all you have - false or otherwise. She must perceive you as alpha all the way through for this to succeed or else you’ll all fall on your ass in Part 2.*

--Building Your Profile--

1. Shirtless pics for days. Grow some balls, stand in front of a body mirror, take some shirtless pictures are throw them on your profile. I’ve got 4 on mine. Also, include some high SMV photos of you doing interesting things or visiting interesting places (bonus points if attractive women are in the pictures; women love to compete).

This will establish you as attractive, a woman’s first alpha prerequisite.

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2. Write about how you’re the shit. Juxtapose the vain shirtless selfies with a bio that tells about all the amazing hobbies, interests and accomplishments that represent you. Go as in depth as you can. Be cocky. Describe your life as the best thing since sliced bread.

This extravagant regaling of your life will be contrasted nicely by your short and rare responses while chatting with the LSSWs, causing them to hamster into thinking maybe they’re not good enough for you. Why would this attractive, interesting, smart alpha want to spend time with a boring woman like me? And all this will come without you having to lift a finger.

This will establish you as higher value than her, a woman’s second alpha prerequisite.

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NOTE: DO NOT talk about how much money you make, your high-paying corporate job, your nice car, your big house, etc. Only boast about YOU and things that can only be found within YOU. Otherwise, the LSSWs will immediate peg you as a potential high-SMV provider, the shit tests will get insane and same-night/short-term sex will be near impossible.

--Messaging--

3. Send short messages and only to the hot ones. All I do to start any conversation via dating sites is send out “Hey” to every LSSW within a comfortable driving distance that I’d enjoy fucking. Nothing more. If the LSSW responds, she’s interested to some degree, whether it’s because she thinks you’re attractive, higher value or both. If she doesn’t respond, who gives a fuck? Move on.

Her first response will almost always be “Hey”, “Hi”, “Hello”, “Hey, how’re you”, etc. Follow it up with “What are you looking for” (no punctuation) or “What kind of guys do you like” (no punctuation, and I know this seems like you care what she has to say about it, but it’s more to get her talking).

*If she asks what I’m looking for, I say, “I’m just browsing meeting new people” or “I’m just browsing making new friends”. This helps her to avoid weeding me out as one of the many sexually-desperate men out there.

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3a. ”What are you looking for”

Honestly, 9 times out of 10 she’ll respond by saying “friends”, “friends but if it becomes more, that’s cool”, “a relationship”, “LTR”, etc.

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There is no difference in these responses and they all mean the same thing. If she’s responded at all at this point, she’s intrigued: a woman’s third alpha prerequisite.

3b. “What kind of guys do you like”

She’ll usually go on and on about how she wants some “mythical unicorn” of a man; a guy who’s loving, caring, smart, funny, strong, tall, handsome, independent, blah blah fuckin’ blah. I never really read any of their responses to this question. It’s mainly to get her intrigued by your response.

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3c. Response

My response for 3a and 3b is usually the same and you can tailor it how you see fit.

I always respond with either “I think I can handle that much” or “I think I can manage that much” , I wait for her response, then I follow it up with “Whats your number” (no punctuation) or if her profile doesn’t list it, with “Whats your name” (no punctuation), her response, then “Whats your number”.

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This response causes her to hamster that all her ideal-man characteristics might be found in you and that portraying them is no big deal to you. She’ll hamster you as her golden goose that she’ll have one opportunity to attract.

This’ll further her intrigue in you and if all has gone accordingly, she’ll give you her number.

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NOTE: If she doesn’t respond to your number request, fuck it and move on. If multiple LSSWs are non-responsive at this point, check your SMV both in your pics and in your bio.

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If she gives you some schpeel about how “It’s too early to give out her number” or “she doesn’t give out her number after the first conversation” or she wants to “talk more on here more first to get to know you” or any other possible excuse, she either sees you as a potential provider, as a lower SMV compared to her or as desperate/sexually-depraved (comes across by responding too quickly; scarce mentality). This cake is bad, move on and work on yourself more.


PART 2: TEXTING/CALLING

Unlike conversing on dating sites, texting is a bit trickier with someone you’ve never met, simply because this is usually when the real shit tests start. On top of that, ignoring, combating or brushing off these shit tests will usually lead to her cutting you off in an instant because remember: you don’t exist to her until you’re standing in front of her.

The goal of this section will be to establish your existence (and your frame) within her world by meeting in person, all-the-while avoiding those game-ending shit tests most people encounter at this stage.

--Texting--

1. Start off simple. My first message via text is usually “Name’s ___” with a picture of myself attached. I do this so that after I leave a conversation to “bake” for the rest of the day (described below), when she responds the next day, she’ll remember what I look like.

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Otherwise, I might leave the conversation to bake, message her the next day and she’s completely forgot what I look like (I do the same thing all the time). Her perception of me has thus changed and I’d have to pack it up and move on.

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Physical attraction is important. It was the main reason the LSSW responded to my first message on the dating site and it’ll be used to keep her intrigue across any span of time.

2. Give her a taste. This may sound odd, but start a conversation with the sole purpose of leaving her hanging mid-way through. For example, start talking about movies, ask what hers are, and when she responds drop the conversation for the day. After baking (again, described below), do not continue or acknowledge this conversation.

This’ll cause her to hamster, but the direction she hamsters isn’t really important. What’s important is that now you’ve become relevant to her.

3. Bake the cake. These is my pending messages since this morning.

I call this method “baking”. Baking is letting a message sit unanswered and unopened long enough to where a woman may feel like they’re being ignored.

Women both love and hate this (especially attractive ones) and it contrasts well against the many others who’ve received their number and then sporadically sent out texts every 10 minutes.

Sometimes, if you bake correctly, the LSSW will put in the leg work for you:

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This will establish you as unattainable, a woman’s fourth alpha prerequisite.

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4. Like it never happened. After baking (again, described below), do not continue or acknowledge the conversation you were having previously. Simply tell her “Hey” or “Good morning” and move on to the next step.

This’ll cause her to hamster, but the direction she hamsters about you isn’t really what’s important. What’s important is that now you’ve become relevant to her though your unavailability.

5. You better call, Tyrone. Taking shit tests head-on through texting is counter-productive; the more of her dumb questions you answer, the more her perception of you (and perception is all you have at this point) will change from alpha to another validation resource.

To avoid all of this BS, your best bet is to make her bring you into her reality is by calling her.

To set this up, your next texts should both tell her when you plan to call and ask her if she’s available to talk around that time.

I take my lunch around 12:00-12:30, so I usually say something along the lines of “I want to call you this afternoon. You busy?” and 9 times out of 10 she’ll say that’s fine. Cater this around when you’re free to talk.

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--Calling--

If you’ve done everything correctly up until this point, you’ll notice she’ll seem very excited to talk to you. Maintain frame and if possible remain stoic. She’ll ask a few questions and might shit test a little, but by this point you’ve got it in the bag. Honestly, as soon as she’s picked up you’ve won.

By maintaining frame through this conversation, you’ve successfully maintained her perspective of you being alpha from beginning to end. Good job, let’s bring it home.

6. The home stretch. The small talk of this conversation is ultimately irrelevant. Tell her some cool things about yourself, let her tell you some cool things about herself. Then move along.

7. Set up a meet-and-greet. The purpose of this conversation for her is to establish that you do exist, had the balls to call her and might just be the man of her dreams.

The purpose of this conversation for you is to establish a place for you two to meet up.

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Tell her you two should meet up and let her talk for a bit. If you’re a high enough perceived SMV, she’ll do the legwork for you:

She may set up the locale (“Have you ever been to ____? I heard it’s really cool.”), begin hinting at sex (“we seem to click, so we could meet up at my place for drinks”), revealing her true feelings (“When I first saw your profile I thought, ‘Why is he interested in a girl like *me? I’m nobody.”), etc. She’ll also typically plan a time or date very close to the time of the call (like that evening or tomorrow afternoon; not exactly sure why that is).*

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NOTE: Some are saying that calling is an unnecessary step but I'd have to disagree. Although calling may seem archiac, it usually provides the LSSW with the final prequisite they require before NSA hook-ups, safety. By hearing the sound of your voice, you become a reality and she's now verified that you're not a catfishing PUArtist beta with a knack for falsifying online social interactions.

8. Short and sweet. She's now within your frame. Keep any texts or responses to hers as short and succinct as possible.

9. Make her ass worry that you’re the one flaking. Whether you’ve decided to meet back at her place or at some coffee shop, once the date/time has been finalized and the address gained, don’t bring it up again and if possible, stop texting her until that date (unless she reaches out).

Do not double-check the time you’re meeting, check if she can make it, call her to say you’re there, etc. She’ll do that for you and you need to allow her to. It’ll further her investment in meeting you.

NOTE: I’ve noticed that reconfirming dates will increase an LSSW’s likelihood to flake, even after all this guide has explained. By not reconfirming and letting them reach out first, I’ve yet to see one LSSW flake.


Lesson Learned: Behavioural patterns of LSSWs can be controlled for the experimenter’s best possible outcome through a concise, repeatable cause-and-effect method developed through behavioural experimentation and approach modification.

For any further questions, I'm open to talking over Skype under Skype username OmLaLa. Please message me set up a meeting.


[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (4 children)

I like how you hit this a few times, but I feel it is worth saying again: This will only work when your INNER and OUTER game/physique is established and strong.

Honestly when you are at the point for this to work you will be in a place where you will be passively doing this.

When I first tried online dating, i had lengthy 'please date me' profiles which listed why I was such a great catch. I would text matches NON STOP during work and talk on the phone all night. It was maddening. I gave up and hacked my profile down to almost nothing, and passively responded to messages, as I spent more time working out and doing my own thing. This made me less invested in online dating and through the miracles of hamstering made me appear more interesting to my potential matches. If a girl gave me lines about "not ready to meet someone off this site" I would say ok, nice chatting with you and then ignore her. A few days later something would come up and she could do a lunch or whatever.

Long story short, if you are doing online dating, DO NOT invest yourself emotionally in it. It is a passive tool. dont think of it as a fishing pole, but as a fishing net that you cast once and come back and check every now and then.

[–]SonicTRP 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Being someone who's really beginning to develop his outer game and SMV, this is one of the hardest truths I've finally come to accept. I gotta hit the gym and see results first.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

its ok man. It takes time but the journey is half the fun. (and it never stops) When you start working out youll be weak and so in your own head, but after about a month of really hitting that gym about 5 times a week you will start seeing results, and FEELING results.

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[–]Master1176 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I can tell you from experience that 80% of the guide works - I don't know about the other 20% because I haven't tried it. If you all are such badasses, write your own guide.

[–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you u/Deathchain.

[–]Jaques_Fury 38 points39 points  (8 children)

My favorite hamster line:

"It's too early to give you my number, how about Facebook?"

This is just an amazing example of the hamster-in-action. Like, gimme a second to break down the "logic" behind that for a moment:

I don't know you enough to contact you through text messages, wherein no one else need know I'm soliciting a "relationship" with a random stranger

BUT

I do know you enough to add you to my validation-harem on Facebook, where everyone can publicly see that I've pulled some random guy into my orbit

It's a damn clever tactic. Any women who does that is basically trying to turn men into trophies. More trophies, more validation. Higher friend count, higher status.

I get a little mournful, thinking of those poor souls who went for the digits and compromised for a FB request. That's not a valid substitute, and they got played.

God Bless OmLaLa for teaching shitheads like me how to play 'em back.

[–]TRPtruth 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"I don't Facebook friend until the third date"

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    [–]RICCIedm 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I don't have Facebook too, but IMO they see it as I'm a weirdo with no friends.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    In my experience it will open you up to shit tests along those lines, but if you hold frame and reinforce that it simply isn't worth your precious time, you can play it off just fine.

    Also, teasing girls about being too invested in social media is always a fun neg.

    [–]Chinzon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Wait how do you turn this on them?

    [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    You dont. You simply move on to the next one.

    [–]A_Cubicle_Jockey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My reply to the how about Facebook is always, "Why, so you can do some recon on me?" Or I just go ahead and give them my family friendly profile.

    [–]KobeHardensMyDirk 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    Avoid single mothers

    Totally disagree. Two of my booty calls are single mothers. They know I have absolutely no interest in dating them, and they have no interest in dating me because I'm an asshole. But they often need someone to give them a good fuck as they hunt for that beta so that's where you come in.

    [–]coffee_and_lumber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Been there, done that. It works.

    [–]2rp_valiant 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    on dating sites though, they're not worthwhile.

    [–]KobeHardensMyDirk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Ah maybe. I've never met one off a dating site

    [–][deleted] 75 points76 points  (20 children)

    Saving this for when I'm high value enough to actually fuck sluts. I love how you litteraly don't give a fuck about what she answers and move on to following your own plan. Is that holding frame?

    Thanks.

    I don't know if it's worth sidebarring but that knowledge shouldn't be lost in the depths of the sub.

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      [–]aussiezman 19 points20 points  (9 children)

      Practice makes perfect. Start on 5s learn to beat their filtering shit tests. Then move up to 6s and 7s. I am now batting 9s with ease.

      [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      The number of 4s and 5s I banged during my year of TRP is something I both don't regret and am trying to forget.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      I'm about 19% bf so it's all 35+ white women, single mom's in their 20s and black chicks of all ages. All good pratice for when I'm 10-13% bf. Because no matter their color age, or BF AWALT

      [–]RemyPrice 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      When you hit 10% bodyfat the black girls come out of the woodwork.

      [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      I think women in general will flock like geese.

      [–]RemyPrice 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      I mean, they will message you without prompting.

      White girls still take game on your part, low BF or not.

      Source: I'm ripped.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      • I live in Toronto

      • My smv is about 2

      So yeah, I could if I put in a lot of efforts but I prefer to put all my efforts in improving my smv.

      I still practice every time I have an opportunity to but I don't go out of my way to practice more.

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        [–]_the_shape_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I love how you litteraly don't give a fuck about what she answers and move on to following your own plan. Is that holding frame?

        Absolutely.

        Not sure if you've ever seen the movie Falling Down, but there's a scene early on where the protagonist (played by Michael Douglas) is on a payphone near a main street and a pack of gangbangers seeking revenge on his character do a drive-by and spray up the place, just barely missing him but taking down a few innocent bystanders as the crowd disperses hysterically. The car drives away, losing control and crashing in a nearby street, all while Michael Douglas' character calmly hangs up the phone, slowly turns around to access the carnage, and calmly walks toward the wreckage to see what all the fuss is about, never once flinching or showing the slightest indication of fear or panic.

        That's frame in a nutshell, metaphorically speaking.

        [–]B00TYMASTER 33 points34 points  (12 children)

        I couple things from this post bothered me that differ from my own very successful method.

        1.) Just saying "hey" shows that she's interested if she responds but it also set's you up for a lot of additional work and gets many more ignores than other things that establish both frame and smv early. I have 3 messages that always fit the dialogue in some order or another. I start with "I'm pretty much the guy of your dreams... ravish me now" which always gets a response and shows cockiness, funniness, and shows early I don't want to go through the "LJBF" shit even if she's down. It saves me time because I don't waste my time on a tinder fuck. My follow ups are "(Just/So then/nothing) Let me give you the best 23.51 seconds of your life. Fact." Cocky & Funny and lastly I use "And now I am here to grant you 2 more wishes, since obviously I was the first one." These statements utilize the C&F approach and get one of 2 responses with either something along the lines of sex or telling me I'm cocky to which I'll reply "You like it" and by that point I have established my status as an alpha. It saves a shit load of time and is better than what you posted, but if that works for you, that's good too. By keeping convos short it exercises your mystery which raises you SMV, it shows you are busy and aren't a bum whether that mean busy with a hobby, job, other plates and women, and it leaves a lot to her imagination and a women's imagination is one of her greatest and most used tool. Even if you do have the time and are an actual bum, don't show it, seem busy and then use the time you have to better yourself.

        2.) Shirtless pics. If you have the body post one or 2. I wouldn't advise posting 4 like OP even if you are shredded. I'll be the first to admit my body isn't good enough to post shirtless pics and I'm working hard to achieve that at the gym almost every day but in the mean time I'm still getting tons of tinder pussy without shirtless pics.

        3.) Calling. Calling is unnecessary. If she wants to fuck you then It'll happen when you tell her it will happen and that's usually within the week. If we're fuckin friday and it's monday then don't text her for the week. Leave it off on a note where it's established. I even say "Remind me so i don't forget" and she does. If you message her monday and you decide to fuck that night or tuesday etc don't call her it's pointless. You don't need to call. It's a waste of time. Also when starting messages I see no true benefit of posting a pic of yourself any less than the gold pics on your profile. It can hurt you if you don't live up to those pics. But once you make it to her place then the pics are pointless and your hitting either way unless you're a catfish. Don't send long texts and don't double or triple text.

        4.) Lastly (I'm not some racist) it seems like most of the girls you used as examples are black. And assuming you're a white male, like myself, then I think we can both agree that black girls are soooo easy for white guys. It takes literally no effort at all. Naturally a white guy to a black girl has a much higher SMV then a white guy to a white girl. White girls get much more attention and swipes than black girls, especially particularly unattractive ones. The proof is in the pudding when you conquer white girls with online dating.

        I did like the part when you talked about cutting out of the conversation mid way. I think that can be effective and very useful.

        Remember: Never be direct about sex until later in the conversation when she's clearly more comfortable. Women are covert communicators, even over the internet, so keep it covert. Even if it's so obvious. Rather than saying "let's fuck" "let me drill them cheeks" say something that means the same thing but less vulgar and more "covert" use innuendos.

        Just a side note: I would recommend concealing that girl's address like you did for their other info.

        I know what I have to say is valid because I've fucked a shit ton of women of all races from tinder, okc, etc without big arms or washboard abs. Just an attractive face and a method that has worked like a charm.

        [–]Hyperian 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Great reply. what's your height. i see a lot of profiles where theyre only interest if you're tall.

        [–]Baal-Hadad 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Attractive face is the key here tho. And if you have that, then this really shouldn't be that hard in the first place. For the rest of us, we need to show off the body.

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          [–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Any attempt to attach a user's reddit identity to their physical identity = permaban. Off you go.

          [–]CuntyMcFagNuts69 8 points9 points  (9 children)

          This is solid content OP. What dating site do you find most successful with quality women (so to speak). Just in case I get back in the dating game sometime

          [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 17 points18 points  (8 children)

          POF has been the best quality dating site hands down. Attractive women with the least amount of BS. OKC has been the absolute worst.

          [–]CuntyMcFagNuts69 9 points10 points  (1 child)

          Right on. I tried Ok Cupid a few years back. Fuck filling out those surveys and match test. Seems like all the fat chicks migrate to OK Cupid

          [–]Copenhagen23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I filled out everything on OKCupid and got basically zero replies to my messages. I went to PoF, same pictures, and only filled out my stats and headline message. I left my 'about me' section blank and my headline says "Jurassic World". I've had way better results, and a lot of comments on my headline that is nothing more than a recent movie title.

          [–]drallcom3 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          OKC is for hipsters who want to show how hip they are, not for dating.

          POF is good and in Europe Lovoo too (several fakes there). Badoo can be ok, but you can't filter out all the inactive accounts.

          [–]Danedina 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Lovoo

          Tell me about Lovoo. I had a quick look at their website and don't see anything unique about it. I was on Badoo way back in the day but I didn't have any game back then and was a married Beta. My colleague fucked a lot of ogres and goblins from Badoo, so I was on it for more of a laugh.

          [–]drallcom3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Lovoo is as superficial as Tinder, but they have a ton of users (at least in Spain and Germany) and you can browse the results.

          [–]GrandmasterHurricane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm in NY, so Okc is filled with those weird art types, Brooklyn weirdos, chunky feminists etc. Pof deff has a better selection of girls.

          [–]tylertgbh 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Why is Kik so popular? Why use kik rather than text or continuing to use the app? Is this just an American thing?

          [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Honestly no idea. Women are more inclined to send nude pics via Kik, even though you can save them there all the same.

          [–]RedLeaderFlyingBy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          Excellent post.

          On the shirtless pics, what works even better than a bathroom selfie is an action shot.

          If you're a boxer like OP, have someone take the picture while you're shirtless hitting pads. Next time you're at the beach, the lake, or anywhere with water, have a shirtless shot taken. If you lift kettlebells, go outside and have a shirtless picture taken while you have the biggest 'bell you can lift locked out overhead. If you can get this shot in your gym, a shirtless heavy deadlift picture will cause really cute girls to open you online with "how heavy is that?".

          All of these take close to zero effort to produce, and all of them show that you're a man of action, you're comfortable with your body, and that other people besides you are recording your life.

          Subtle shift, but a big one.

          To the naysayers of this post, arguing the little details here will get you nowhere.

          Bruce Lee's advice of 'Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.' goes a long way.

          [–]2Deapluv 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          Extremely well written and organized, and a useful crib sheet full of real life examples. Thank you for this, it should be a model for what it means to give value.

          [–]Moolg86 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          well written guide, love the smattering of pics for clarity. I noticed one of the girls address's was left up, not sure if that was accidental or not.

          [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I've taken care of it. Thanks for the heads up.

          [–]skoobled 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          The thing about calling, though, is noone calls these days. I get that it might make you stand out, and I've done it for this purpose, but you might seem like you have outmoded social skills... Thoughts?

          [–]Danedina 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          A few off the top of my head: 1. A call demands attention, whereas texts can get blown off, forgotten... 2. Most people are more comfortable taking their time and crafting a response. Calling requires instant response, which makes some people nervous, and therefore you may have her off-balance, which is a huge advantage in establishing superiority. 3. You can display a deep confident voice over the phone, and sarcasm translates better. 4. Calling displays clear intent. 5. It's harder to reject someone over the phone (and even harder in real life).

          [–]DuncanMonroe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Do you think you over-gamed that one chick? She asked if you wanted to come over tonight, yay or nay, and you said nay? I understand building attraction, but it seems like she was already down to fuck. Isn't that overkill? Why bother seeming unavailable or anything if she already made up her mind? Or do you think it was a shit test to see if you were desperate?

          [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I had boxing practice that night if I remember correctly, so I couldn't make it. That, or I was with some other chick.

          [–]wont_tell_i_refuse 14 points15 points  (10 children)

          This is stupid. "Hey" gets lost in the noise. I find it much easier to establish a basic rapport with some cocky banter, grab her number within 3-4, then schedule a meet-up via text. I'm sure this works if your SMV is insane but common interests or a comic rapport work in your favor.

          Oh yeah, and actually interfacing with the woman will let you see if they're down to just have you come over and fuck them, if you're adept at reading female thirst. Many are.

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            [–]1jb_trp 16 points17 points  (2 children)

            Exactly. "Hey" is the worst opener ever. It shows nothing, no game, no skill, nothing. The only reason OP gets response is because his SMV is high and he probably says "hey" to an insane number of girls. Too much work.

            I'll say something short and clever that has to do with a picture or something they said in their profile (e.g. if they say they love Kentucky basketball I'd ask them, "On a scale of 1 to Christian Laettner, how much do you hate Wisconsin right now?" You've already shown intelligence, confidence, and humor and set yourself apart from the dozens of other guys. It's basically this:

            • Say something specific to them
            • By funny
            • Ask an open-ended question.

            It works about 75-80% of the time, easy. Try it.

            And then message a couple times and get their number. From there, schedule a specific meet up (e.g. "I'm wanting to go check out this new brewery Thursday night. Are you in?"). If you're approaching enough girls, you can easily have 3-4 new dates per week. Meet them and then fuck them. Rinse and repeat until you're spinning the number of plates you want.

            [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 15 points16 points  (0 children)

            While "Hey" is a low-quality opener, it does have the benefit of telling you that any responses to it are legitimately from interested girls. You can weed out the bullshit and validation seekers. I used to use a lot of fun openers, but you'd rein in a lot of chicks who just wanted the free attention and dialogue.

            I can appreciate it if OP doesn't want to spend the time sorting through the bullshit.

            [–]rattamahatta 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            "Hey" makes her look at your shirtless photo.

            [–]sodainthewatercup6 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            "Hey" covertly displays an abundance mentality. Everyone knows basic greetings are the least effort you can put forward when opening.

            So if the girl is trying to figure out where you fall on the SMV scale, and you bust out with the peacocking joke of the century, what does that say to her? (Hi please look at me and laugh at my joke. I'm funny!)

            It's been said before. It doesn't matter much what you say. Just be attractive.

            [–]wont_tell_i_refuse 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Yeah, you and every other nigga who hit her up today has an abundance mentality. She fucks literally every guy with abs, alpha or no.

            No dude, this is a way to harvest sluts well below your SMV. That's it.

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              [–]antariusz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              You just need to get "insanely hot shoulders and chest" as the one woman OPENED HIM...

              Thanks for the motivation to do an extra set of OHP today.

              [–]the_red_scimitar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Amazing. I've been doing almost all of this (and very successfully) for a couple years. Was online and doing okay even before that, but it was pre-RP, so I started everything over when I started over.

              I will make one huge exception, to what OP has written, knowing full well it is very anti-RP-canon: I have no fear of the divorced mother. I've dated and plated them a number of times. I give those relationships 6 months at most, but particularly the early stages are very hot.

              Perhaps the reason I can plate them without the trouble usually associated with them, is that I can spot the ones who DON'T want to be married again. I also am absolutely upfront about being non-exclusive, and being not only not interested in marriage, but not interested in living with anybody.

              Somehow, this scares off the ones that are the RP stereotype for divorced mothers, and leaves the ones who basically don't want another father for their kids, but really wants to have Chad Thundercock to validate her sexuality.

              But I suspect that for most of the men here, the advice is spot on. I can really emphasize that everything he says about profiles (yours), what to look for, and how to approach it all, is absolutely right in my experience as well.

              And godDAMN it OP, you know we all promised not to tell...

              [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I agree with this point. Single moms CAN make the best longer-term low-effort plates. You have to screen carefully, of course. Recommended for advanced users.

              [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

              When I start sending messages I go with "sup punk" or "sup brat" (depending on which they fit the bill for). The girls who respond pissily are not worth the time.

              Some of the responses I get are hilarious too.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Low-key insulting (negging) them works 80% of the time. Tell them that they have a five-head, a weird shaped ass, a uni-brow shadow, etc.

              [–]sushisection 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I started doing this after reading your comment. It's a great way to further filter out the girls who are fun and those who are shit.

              Lol I did this and got three responses all in a row and they all said the same thing: "brat?"

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              haha it's funny because before I posted this I was getting good responses. Now "brat?" is all I get and I haven't really worked out what to say next.

              The nice thing about Tinder is you can say "oh well!" and not feel bad about it

              [–]sushisection 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Whatever. If they can't handle being called brat, they won't be able to handle my sarcastic humor. Dodging bullets left and right. This one girl responded with, "hi magic boy" lol she's a keeper

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              [–]fishysmelly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Haha I love "Beta by nature, alpha by trade" and "#RPproblems". New quotes for me that I'll use

              [–]Jack_Sophmore 30 points31 points  (34 children)

              What a ridiculous number of hoops to jump through and rules to navigate just for the sake of nailing some washed up tinder slut.

              [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 44 points45 points  (21 children)

              It's not as hard as it appears. I approach it like cooking. You leave a bunch of meals in the oven, some get burnt but ultimately you have multiple meals to choose from.

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                [–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (3 children)

                AWALT, even the smart ones. How intelligent a woman is has nothing to do with what they find attractive. Reason #71 of why the pill is hard to swallow.

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                  [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                  You can't blame external factors like where you live for a lack of success. Look within you as objectively as you can, find the real cause and fix it.

                  [–]StManTiS 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                  Just let go man. Pussy doesn't have an IQ.

                  [–]GrandmasterHurricane 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                  Those high IQ chicks will make you talk to them in a logical/smart way and it will be your downfall. At least these types are a little dumb are less logical so it's easier to tease and be playful.

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                    [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                    Most women don't get tingles through intelligent conversation because it's based in logic, whereas tingles for girls is based in feelings and emotions. Being impressed and being turned on are not the same and are commonly mistaken.

                    [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    It works the same on professional women. Avoid using shorthand and abbreviations, but don't polish up your punctuation. OP is right in that it gives the appearance of being overly invested. No commas or periods, can probably do away with capitalization and question marks as well.

                    [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                    This is simple shit and takes no more than 10-15min per girl + time on the date to smash: a much better deal than commuting to the nightlife district, finding parking and then wasting money on a few drinks to find a hoe in a club.

                    [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    Agreed. This route is a lot cheaper and less time consuming IMO.

                    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

                    Tinder is not that hard.

                    1) Be attractive. 2) Put something offensive as your blurb 3) Spam

                    Fin

                    [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

                    One of my recent tinder bios was "Full time men's rights activist and endangered species hunter / executioner."

                    The one after that was "If you're overweight please unmatch me."

                    In the past this would have seemed counterintuitive but now it's obvious: Women will be attracted to men who don't care because those who do NEED to.

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I've previously put that I'm a serial killer. Beta bitch boy aint got the stones for that, and they know.

                    I'm right with you. I used to put the great school I went to, hobbies, where I'm from...haha fuck that

                    [–]MMZephyr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    This is actually easy, 1, and 2 some girls on Tinder are actually pretty hot and have a good personality. I've been with a few.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Furthermore, there are virgins on Tinder who are waiting to be fucked. Encountering sluts? Go upstream (18-20 year olds) and screen for sexual past.

                    [–]Upvote_To_The_Left 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    its a numbers game, and it's goal is to get you laid. It's actually a pretty good guide.

                    But I agree online dating is not where all of your effort should go. seems like OP backwards engineered what he was doing into a guide. which is the right way to do it. Instead of spending years figuring out how to chat girls up on OKcupid when you could have been cold approaching.

                    you can get laid from online. and getting laid is GREAT positive reinforcement you can build on to get momentum and continue self improving.

                    [–]plentyoffishes 9 points10 points  (33 children)

                    Shirtless pics? I'm in great shape, put one up once and the girls I went out with said they went out with me DESPITE that pic, said it was cheesy. Also have had many other quality girls tell me they HATE shirtless pics. I'm not saying they are "bad" but you will only attract a certain type of girl with them, and repel others, which, depending on what you want, can be a good thing.

                    Plus, try looking at guys' profiles. About every douchebag out there has the same shirtless mirror pic with the iPhone. You're not impressing her with that. At least get a more natural one outside.

                    [–]blarggggggggggg 20 points21 points  (6 children)

                    the girls you went out with said they thought the pics were cheesy, but did you end up getting more responses?

                    [–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 12 points13 points  (4 children)

                    The woman in the middle HATES shirtless pics. Keep in mind the woman in the pink top is his wife.

                    About every douchebag out there has the same shirtless mirror pic

                    Because it works

                    the girls I went out with said many other quality girls tell me they HATE

                    You can't go around asking a fish how it got caught. It will say it was just thereTM and it just happenedTM

                    DESPITE that pic, said it was cheesy

                    You're a man. Why are you asking for validation like a woman? When you do, you'll get rejected accordingly.

                    I'm in great shape

                    Take advantage of it.

                    [–]beachbloke 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                    Haha, that video was great. She looked like she was on drugs by the end of it.

                    [–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    looked like she was on drugs

                    Actually she was. Dopamine. See the fluttering heart and shallow breaths?

                    [–]ITranscendRaceHombre 18 points19 points  (1 child)

                    Watch what they do, not what they say. The same girls that will claim "omg I don't want a guy with muscles because he'll be too hard to cuddle with eww gross" are fucking Chad, who is ripped to shreds, in the bathroom at the club. I've fucked a pretty diverse crowd of women, from goth/punk/scene sluts to your typical nightclub party girl, and all of them responded positively to my muscles. Don't take my word for it, OKC statistics will prove it for you:

                    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-4-big-myths-of-profile-pictures/

                    MYTH 3 Guys should keep their shirts on The male “Ab Shot” has the same reputation as the MySpace Shot—it’s an Internet cliché that supposedly everyone thinks is only for bozos. To wit: a journalist was visiting our office recently, and when we told her we were researching user photos, the first thing she said was “please tell me people hate it when guys show off their abs.” We hadn’t finished running the numbers yet, so we confidently reassured her that people did. The data contradicted us.

                    Of course, there is some self-selection here: the guys showing off their abs are the ones with abs worth showing, and naturally the best bodies get lots of messages. So we can’t recommend this photo tactic to every man. But, contrary to everything you read about profile pictures, if you’re a guy with a nice body, it’s actually better to take off your shirt than to leave it on. We would never suggest to a Fitzgerald or a Dave Eggers to limit his profile to 100 words, and so why should guys with great bodies keep their best asset under wraps?

                    Lift, get a sick body, show it off, give tingles. FUCK what women say. They're completely full of horseshit and most likely just shit testing you. You think only gay men are lining up to see Magic Mike 2 (yes, the first was so successful there is now a second installment)? Child, please. Follow their actions, not their words.

                    [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                    This could be an entirely separate post. Well said.

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                      [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      Also have had many other quality girls tell me they HATE shirtless pics

                      And yet they go out with and fuck the men with the shirtless pics. Listen to a woman's actions, not her words.

                      Some women are genuinely put off by them, but they're generally BB-hunting women anyway. No point in wasting your time with them.

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                        [–]coffee_and_lumber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        do an activity outside without your shirt and have someone take your picture.

                        Covered in blood, field dressing a moose.

                        [–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        the girls I went out with said they went out with me DESPITE that pic, said it was cheesy. Also have had many other quality girls tell me they HATE shirtless pics.

                        Pay no attention to what they say, pay close attention to what they do. They swiped right on you, correct?

                        [–]plentyoffishes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        I forget which is right or left, I haven't done online dating in a while. It all depends on what you're looking for. Hookup? Sure, you will find women out there looking for shirtless guys to fuck. LTR or STR? Different category, many won't date these guys....and yes it's what they are DOING that I'm referring to.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Agree with PlentyOfFishes on this one, with qualifications. If you have a VERY impressive chest, then by all means include a picture of it. Context is key; shirtless at the beach or by the pool, with other women in the shot hits several check boxes- active, fun, social proof etc. In the gym, locker room, or the bathroom mirror selfie- liable to work against you.

                        If your shirtless self isn't 90th percentile or better, work on getting it there before using shirtless pics.

                        [–]Dueperdue 6 points7 points  (13 children)

                        Too bad where I live females use these hook-up apps just to tease and do a little of attention-whoring. Finding someone that will meet you is like finding a unicorn.

                        Oh well, I'll have to do without it.

                        Either way, I did like the post. Your examples made it come to life.

                        Now I demand for the sake of this community to post your shirtless photokidding.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 17 points18 points  (10 children)

                        Too bad where I live females use these hook-up apps just to tease

                        This is what low SMV guys believe in everywhere. I travel a lot and Tinder has yet to fail me even in places like Zurich, Amsterdam, Vienna and Toronto (that place is a hell hole). There's no shame in being low SMV but don't externalize who that's up to - improve yourself. Eat clean, have hobbies, look healthy and have good pictures: that's all it takes

                        If you want to fuck women you either have to put the work into yourself so they fuck you for who and what you are, or into them so they fuck you for what you do for them - put the work into yourself, it's a much better investment.

                        It's a harder investment to make because it takes longer for you to reap dividends, but it's the right one. Just do it.

                        [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        Toronto (that place is a hell hole)

                        You know what's funny? For all the shithead SJW's and feminazis making being male difficult in this city, all of them unsurprisingly have Tinder. And all of them bear the faux pretentiousness of being better than that.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        This. Fucking girls is just tipping their scale from her nurture to her nature.

                        "I'm on here because my friend made me", "Tinder is a joke", "My friend made this profile for me" = I want high SMV dick but have been so conditioned by Feminism that I can't even admit it to myself because of the huge dissonance.

                        Or as I like to call em, easy lays.

                        [–]Dueperdue 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                        I make no excuse. I guess you've never been in Italy.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                        TL;DR "I don't want to admit that I suck" -> "I'm not where I want to be yet: how do I get there?"

                        Been to Rome plenty, I don't know you but I post on this sub mainly to help people improve their lives as practice for when I do paid lifestyle coaching: please take this to heart because I'm being candid - you're making up excuses. You don't want to think about the possibility because it's a very uncomfortable notion to even consider let alone recognize.

                        Your standing in society defines your reality so when you say "women are teases", that says nothing about women and everything about where you stand on the social ladder. That's not a jab at you, I'm merely pointing it out. Think about it like this, when people complain about or misrepresent something you're really good at - how do you react?

                        Most places in the world, especially cities, are eerily similar. There's guys like yourself (for now) who think women are teases/prudes and guys fucking the daylights out of them everywhere - like you could be if you recognize where you are (which is nothing to be shameful about) and put in the work to get to where you want to be. Don't respond with "but it's not worth it", don't even THINK that, because you are reading TRP - which makes your priorities self-evident.

                        [–]Dueperdue 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        I might still be in the "anger" phase...

                        Thanks for the post.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                        Don't think about it as "I suck, I'm stupid, I've been fooled all these years I'll never get back". You've been playing Mario or some other video game with a goal of "get X coins & capture Y goal" - but when you got those coins and captured the goal, there was a cut-scene. Your ally betrays you, kills Y goal - you get new rules & new goals.

                        That cut-scene was TRP.

                        [–]TheDialecticParadox 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                        Stop. Making. Self. Defeating. Excuses.

                        [–]Nicholas_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        "Too bad where I live females use these hook-up apps just to tease and do a little of attention-whoring"

                        You mean most of the braindead western women nowadays?

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                        [–]huge_fuckin_douche 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Makes them think you 1. Don't give a fuck or 2. Very busy texting other girls, both of which work in your favor.

                        [–]Darkuso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Kinda printing this guide, hahahaha looks a very good way to get the job done.

                        [–]Master1176 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        I think we can clarify the shirtless question once and for all - bathroom selfies are tacky, but a shirtless pic on a beach or outside in some way? Golden.

                        [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        Maybe I shouldve touched more on this. All my shirtless pics are outside or in a room. None are in a bathroom for this very reason.

                        [–]matagad 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                        whats up with all the calling?

                        [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        It helps to skip over the shit tests most LSSWs will hit you with after giving out their number.

                        Also, most of these late game shit tests are game-ending for RP alphas, so calling pulls her into your frame as quickly as possible.

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                        [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        No, it's because the longer you try and hold the conversation on a dating site, the less likely it'll go anywhere. Remember, although you know you, on a dating site and as far as she's concerned, you're just her attention-providing imaginary friend, so long as your on those sites. And who'd show up to meet with their imaginary friend?

                        [–]blacwidonsfw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Great post and mirrors my online dating game when I was doing that. I got a few very decent plates from it. I especially like the last tip of letting her reconfirm the date, I definitely see how it shifts the investment.

                        [–]RedPillMat 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                        Mind giving some details on what you talk about during the texting part? From step 2? giving her a taste.

                        [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                        It's pretty much up to you. I typically ask her the basics like where she's from or what she does for fun.

                        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        In my opinion online dating is way too much effort for little reward. Your mileage may vary.

                        [–]TheDialecticParadox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        Lol. Unless you happen to meet women casually in your day-to-day activities, I think going out in a social context with the intent of wanting to fuck is a lot more effort than responding to messages whenever you remember to check your phone. I think the former is more rewarding, but once again; more effort.

                        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                        May wanna erase that address in that one text message.

                        [–]user6580 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Back when I was a beta bitch I had an extremely ripped body and made it to top post of ladybonersgw once or twice.

                        Did nothing for me online dating. It's important but without the attitude and the SMV you will get flaked on 24/7.

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                        [–]Limekill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Great that you collected womens phone numbers. Do you add them all up or something?

                        Good looking loser has a post on this. Bang chicks is where it's at - because then you know that they are attracted to you and whether to plate them instantly or look more at LTR. That guy banged a chick within 5mins face to face from cold approach. Do you think she tingled for him? All he has to do is keep frame. He doesn't have to validate or waste his time or be funny or be clever.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Cool post. Thanks. I've learned a lot.

                        If I were to tailor any of this to my own personality I would have said, "Tell me your number."

                        Asking for something seems passive to me.

                        [–]Spidertech500 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        This is really comprehensive and very useful advice, saving this for in tandem for bringing up my SMV

                        [–]Niccke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        After seeing that one of the first thing one of girl wrote was "I think you are sexy asf" I realized that non of this is relevant to me. I like more of the struggling game. Looking shitty and working from there. Starting from the top have never been my thing.

                        [–]frankgold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Wow. That is a very helpful post. I think this is better advice than, what some PUA's are selling as "online dating" courses. I am copy-pasting this for future reference...

                        [–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Bookmarked for when my SMV is slightly higher.

                        [–]Mensphysique12 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        Ugh problem is that I just hate texting and shit. I do my best when I can convince a girl to meet me at the bar and I just get her to come home. I use my looks honestly and that is all my game really is. My friends say I use it as a crutch but it does seem to work pretty well. I actually have nothing in common with the hotties I wanna bang so there is nothing to ever chat about then I stop messaging them to never hear from them again.

                        [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        I honestly have nothing in common with the women I fuck either, but most of that comes up in shit tests, which this guide aims to avoid. Even the hot soror girls tend to keep shit tests to a minimum this way.

                        [–]ChairBorneMGTOW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        I had written off online and decided to just meet females in person. But this post has convinced me otherwise. Good stuff, thanks.

                        [–]Copenhagen23 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        Maybe I missed it but I think its important to note that one dating resource might be better than another in your area. I got almost zero responses on OKCupid and Hot or Not, some responses on Tinder, and more responses than I knew what to do with on PoF. I would send out 10 messages at a time, and at one point I was talking to 7 different girls on PoF. If I tried everything but PoF I would have been discouraged. A couple years ago OKCupid was the one I had success with, and PoF was dead in my area.

                        [–]IgnoranceWASNTbliss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Exact opposite in my area. weird.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                        Great post. But I'm not sure I follow on why no punctuation. Perhaps I missed that part. Thanks though. Great guide.

                        [–]Senior ContributorOmLaLa[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                        It just implies you're not really invested in her, which sparks intrigue. She'll notice it even if it might not seem big to you. For example, i rarely use question marks so even if i ask her something, it never appears that way. It's the little things.

                        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        Awesome man. Thanks. Great post. Yeah, the devil is in the details right? :) I sent you a PM.

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                        [–]thor_away92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Applied this step by step. Had major success already.

                        Two questions, do you bake if you wanna score with them that day? Or does the "baking" make it easier overall to score?

                        Second question, do you lift and box?

                        [–]thor_away92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Applied this step by step. Had major success already.

                        Two questions, do you bake if you wanna score with them that day? Or does the "baking" make it easier overall to score?

                        Second question, do you lift and box?

                        [–]Stonish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        This will sound silly and out of RP as far as it goes but... ...what if your face is not really attractive? I've had situations with girls from dating sites that obviously told me, they stopped being intrested once they saw me IRL. Im at around 13% BF, strong, healthy and in good shape besides that.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        OP, would you recommend a shirtless pic as a default pic? Also, what's a good headline for POF? TIA.

                        [–]GeorgeW88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        As for me, online dating is the best option for shy people. But if you want to date online, you should choose appropriate and reliable website e.g. http://find-bride.com and create a good profile with nice photos of you. And everything will be fine, I used such a method and it worked for me ;)

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                        What is this?

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        This cake is bad, move on

                        I think more people need to say this. I had a hearty chuckle, but it's spot on. How many times have I realized that the cake was bad, but couldn't let myself move on? I just wanted cake.

                        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        This is going to be part of my game plan once I exit monk mode.

                        [–]nantucketghost 0 points1 point  (1 child)

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                        [–]itsforhismum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        If you look good its actually easy as fuck i get tons of matches and lots if replys. I sit in the shiter in the morning send out some messages and boom no shortage if girls that are dtf

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                        [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                        Not true at all. I used dating sites for several years, only changed my photos once. Changing my messaging and my bio made the biggest difference.

                        It's photos + online game.

                        [–]drallcom3 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                        Maybe your photo was already good enough. I went from average shit to a really good one.

                        [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        I went from poor-ish results to really good without changing photos. Good photos by themself aren't enough, your bio needs to match.

                        [–]LionLaw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        Commenting for later reading

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