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Building PowerIf "No One Is On Your Side," You Are Definitely Doing It Wrong (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 3whatsthisgarg

Some people respond to the hectoring gym coach/drill sergeant style of teaching, but sometimes it is just silly. After I had a laugh at this recent post, it struck me how unproductive the message was. (Forgive me if I veer into hectoring territory.)

No one is on your side. Not your family. Not your friends. Not your girlfriend. No one.

Show me on the doll where they touched you.

It IS important to be self-sufficient, but you will achieve greater goals with greater ease by charming people into helping you. If you can't do this, it's because your plans suck, or you lack charisma. Two very real things to work on right there; stop being paranoid.

It's also true that you can't count on women, but if she isn't your biggest cheerleader, then the problem is probably you. Women want to be part of team Alpha. Even if they don't contribute. Don't count on her for support, but if she isn't enthusiastic about your success (and acting like she should be credited for it), you aren't having enough success.

Others do not want to see you win. . . . People do not like to see others succeed.

This is ridiculous. There IS a thing called crabs in a bucket, but you can just ignore those people. People love winners. If no one is on your side, it's not because you are a winner, it's because you are a loser, and people hate losers.

If it feels like you’re doing things wrong, it’s likely an indication you’re doing things right.

If it feels like you're doing things wrong, it's probably because you have a counterproductive negative attitude.

The reason why almost no one makes it to the top is because no one is on your side, and they higher value you become, the more shit you will get.

More garbage. The reason why almost no one makes it to the top is because almost everyone is a loser.

The higher value you become, the more good shit you will get. It's really quite simple. If you aren't getting a lot of good shit, you aren't winning.


[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain

[–]Blackhawk2479 277 points278 points  (28 children)

I hear you, but at the same time I think you are taking what he said too literally. Part of the problem with this place is that too many people think something is either black or white (especially alpha vs beta), when the reality has always been shades of grey.

The point for me is that when the chips are down, there isn’t anyone who wouldn’t throw you under the bus to save themselves.

In that sense we truly are alone.

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    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Same, they would probably be mad because they would do the same for me.

    [–]2dogsandpizza -4 points-3 points  (7 children)

    It’s safer to assume they wouldn’t for exactly the same reason we say AWALT.

    [–]Redagogue 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    It would be a covert contract to assume that they would do it because you would do it. A man in his own frame would, if he chose, die for his brothers, but not necessarily expect them to do the same for him.

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      [–]RealRational 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Older bro confirming, it's like having a child, there just isn't anything, literally nothing at all, you wouldn't do for them.

      Dying is easy, I'd go to jail for life for my bro if it somehow came to that.

      [–]ImHerWonderland 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I'm not a Christian, but when I was in the army I was told a quote that became my favorite and still is to this day. Might be book of john.

      A man has no greater love than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

      [–]HeOpensADress -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

      Actually it falls under AWALT in a sense, because AWALT ISNT 100% there are and always will be exceptions to the rules.

      [–]ARUKET 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You misunderstand AWALT, sure some women are more moral and decent and traditionally feminine than others but their brains are still wired pretty much the same way as Slutty Stacy.

      [–]Oftowerbroleaning -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      AWALT absolutely is 100% hence the term.

      [–]3whatsthisgarg[S] 17 points18 points  (10 children)

      too many people think something is either black or white (especially alpha vs beta), when the reality has always been shades of grey.

      The point for me is that when the chips are down, there isn’t anyone who wouldn’t throw you under the bus to save themselves.

      You and the OP of the other post keep saying EVERYONE, NO ONE, and THERE ISN'T ANYONE WHO WOULDN'T and you're talking about LITERALLY and BLACK AND WHITE THINKING. Also that other guy was saying people will "literally try to drag you down." Do you guys even know what the word "literally" means? lol

      I described a way of life that is definitely shades of gray. Some people will try to drag you down. Ignore them. Get other people to do shit for you, but don't rely on them completely.

      [–]Findingthur 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      Actually. Literally means figuratively now... Its the actual definition in the dictionary now

      [–]Subbs 19 points20 points  (2 children)

      Well that's pretty retarded

      [–]blahsd_ 18 points19 points  (1 child)

      Oh jeez rick, I, I don’t think you can say that anymore

      [–]majaka1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      "well that's pretty differently abled!"

      [–]Self-honest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Get other people to do shit for you

      Keep people who do shit for you. Discard the rest as they are likely just value leeches. If they're not, they'll likely come back around and do shit for you.

      [–]Blackhawk2479 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I know what literally means, for the same reason I don’t say stupid shit like “legit” - I haven’t been a teenager for two decades now.

      We’re basically agreeing here, but you’re still taking what I said too literally. It’s the same as the commenter above said; we say AWALT all the time here but that doesn’t mean we think it holds true for 100% of females 100% of the time.

      It’s contextual, obviously, and just in case: I used “throw you under the bus” figuratively 😉

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I disagree, I would walk through fire to save my best friend (who is like a brother to me) and I know without a doubt that he would do the same for me.

      I know that not all people have these close bonds with someone, but its dangerous to assume that just because something doesnt apply to you that it automatically is the same for everyone else.

      [–]GeneralDogsbody 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      This is Reddit.
      Things will be taken literally.
      As with any text based medium where ideas are being exchanged, nuance needs to stated explicitly.

      Not least of all when giving 'instruction'.

      [–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      True. Also, people's don't always like winners. They either want something from you or mad at your talent or their lack thereof.

      [–]chasemyers -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      No, that's not right. There are people that would not throw you under the bus to save themselves, but you can't rely on it. Loyalty is more than a nice idea to some people, even today.

      [–]PreOrgasmGroanLness -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

      Part of the problem with this place is that too many people think something is either black or white (especially alpha vs beta), when the reality has always been shades of grey.

      Well maybe it's because nearly everybody writes like it's black or white and not many people write useful shit.

      [–]Blackhawk2479 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I like to think of it as mostly a deliberate act to emphasise points, e.g. AWALT, and that the reader should be trusted to be able to construe the correct meaning from the message, but as I said, too many people are interpreting what is said as black or white now.

      Some here would probably think that quite useful as some sort of “with great power comes great responsibility” autist filter, and that only the people who really understand the advice given get to go on and put it into practice, but as you’ve rightly said, the signal-to-noise ratio is getting poorer again.

      [–]strikethrough123 40 points41 points  (2 children)

      "No one is against you, they are for themselves" -Some dude

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      That's basically what the book "How to win friends and influence them" by Dale Carnegie is about...

      [–]Ananonguy88 33 points34 points  (1 child)

      Yup, this other post was quite over the line. There was a post about creating your tribe some time earlier. I prefer this kind of thinking. Strong selection of your pack, kicking out the unworthy and untrustworthy. Some will try to bring you down indeed, just because of their own misery and jealousy, but these are losers trying to make more losers. If you stick with winners, you are the winner too.

      [–]notonlyplace -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

      Most in theft is in house, Winners cheat,steal and lie, losers can be loyal, once again black and white

      [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

      I think yall both have it right. It aint that people want to see YOU fail, nor that they want to see YOU succeed. They just don't give a fuck unless it related to them. We are all selfish creatures. People feel good when they can help someone out, but if they can get something out of that help to benefit them--even better!! Case in point (just one instance)- I have an airplane. I bought it to get further in a life goal.
      Old guy I used to work with (master aircraft mechanic) knew about my goals and what I was doing. He saw me working on my airplane in the middle of the field I kept it in, in the middle of a snowstorm.
      Long story short, he is now paying for my hangar. That being said, my airplane is also an opportunity for him to get back into flying. So I will let him use it occasionally, and take him flying with me when we are both free. Win-win type of shit is what a RP man should be shooting for.

      [–]Ozymanberg 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      In a smaller scale, win-win mentality also applies to women. The better she feels after sex and the less she feels like a slut, the better chances you'll have of her coming back and avoiding regret rape situations. There's no need to have hateful vitrol against women and it's a trap many angry noobies fall into-- myself included.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Unless she is a cunt. Fuck em.

      [–]majaka1234 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Spot on.

      And if you want to break it down into something much more general (inb4 "look at this rich cunt with his airplane") then you could apply the exact same mentality as the above comment with something as basic as picking up girls.

      For example I've just moved to a new country. I know very few people here. Online dating is overrated.

      My best bet for building a solid social circle is two fold - find locals who are from the top social strata and network with them to help achieve my business goals.

      At the same time I love me some strong independent woman who don't need me to fork out for her all the time, and the only way a white foreigner is going to meet the best of the best (who have private drivers take them everywhere and party at exclusive clubs with table service prices I'm not willing to pay) is to have locals of a similar class introduce me to them.

      So even if I'm being purely selfish, if I want the best outcome for me it behooves me to offer value to someone already successful so that I can bang babes and get paid the big bucks.

      [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

      Evryone wants to get on the gravy train. If you're having great amounts of success, people will gravitate towards you. They'll have different overt ajendas and they'll have differing levels of social graces, but they'll all hope to benefit by proximity to you. If noone is gravitating towards you, it's because noone sees value in you.

      [–]RedPilledRoaster 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      That’s another question to beg. If they are “on your side” are they just on it for their own self benefit? Will they stick with you when shit hits the fan?

      [–]majaka1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      With the exception of very few situations nobody is ever "on your side" to the extent where their own position is in peril in order to help you.

      The best way to avoid this even being an issue, however, is to make it so that it's in the interest of the other person to help you out. Aligned interests.

      For example I have a business with a couple of partners. I quit my high paying full time job in order to work on this project so I'm about $150k in the hole and countless hours.

      Promised funding from the partners never came and I was stuck doing all of the work.

      At this point in time I was over invested - no money coming in and no free time after fixing up the system I was building.

      Meanwhile the partners are fucking around with their fingers in other cakes and pissing off to have holidays in Europe.

      So what I did was simple - I stopped bending over backward to fix things for them.

      "oh, you didn't email the client when you said you would? Guess that's $500 you just cost us."

      "oh you want me to drop everything and do this task for you while you're out driving a car to some nice place? Nah sorry, I'm in the gym then getting a haircut"

      I then started looking for other projects and clients independently as a source of income and stopped paying so much attention to the business and the partners who likewise didn't give a shit.

      And... Wouldn't you believe it? Now they are starting to pull their weight.

      There is no more dread hanging over my head from not having an income (I still want an ROI on quitting my job and wasting away a year mind you).

      Both partners ended up being incredibly selfish and shame on me for not recognising that, but the moment that they realised that they need me on board in order to keep the business afloat is the moment that they began to start doing (most) of their share of the work.

      This is an example of two extremely selfish assholes who need me for a positive outcome that benefits them so despite the fact that I could never rely on them to ever do anything in my favour if I needed it, they're essentially forced to do things that benefit me because it also benefits them.

      Mutually assured destruction if you will.

      [–]hahayeahthatscool 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      That makes absolutely no sense. To carve out your own lane you have to spend years working your ass of with 0 validation from the outside world. You're basically saying the only way to measure your success is by how many people like you, that's pretty anti-machiavellian

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      CONTEXT!

      This is a sub about attracting women and a post about social orientation. Yes you can be isolated and successful--in some metrics. But, when one of your goals is social standing/influence/etc, beware the Scrooge effect. He was enourmously wealthy and with no friends. Why? Because everyone knew association with him could not benefit them. But, once he changed--everyone was his friend immediately. Why, because he had so much they could get from him.

      [–]chuckthundercock 22 points23 points  (3 children)

      Agree with OP. No one has achieved great power without an army to lead. When you find yourself in the mode of the poster who wrote "No one is on your side." it is time to self-reflect and consider monk mode.

      Its the equivalent of saying, I hate women, they all treat me like shit and none of them will fuck me.

      One thing is wrong if you end up in the "trust no one" camp. YOU are wrong, and creating that dread is contagious and is what births omegas. You can not build massive power without having a team of trusted generals.

      The enlightened man(alpha) has men wanting to follow him, women swooning him, and feels great. Are people on his side? Absolutely, because it serves their interests.

      When you end up in a "no one is on my side" hole, its because you fucked up, you lost massive value, and those who saw value in you no longer do. I've been there, in "trust no one" "shit mode" after things going wrong for me, usually due to my fuck up.

      Have your pity party, readjust, recalibrate, get out of "shit mode" and go build personal value, and prove all those motherfuckers who forsook you what it really cost them.

      Build your base of power, and chances are, they will turn on you at some point again if you lose frame and or power. Wash rinse repeat and enjoy... Welcome to the suck of being a man.

      [–]hahayeahthatscool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Nobody has achieved the power to lead an army by trying to please people, actually the only way to aquire this position is to do the exact opposite and only thinking about your own interests first. OP is completely in the wrong because he doesn't understand the easily observable fact of life. Generals are not people pleasing clowns, you're thinking about politicians and celebrities. And even they have to displease half of the population by trying to appease the other half.

      [–]Xyolex 12 points13 points  (6 children)

      Think of it like this: People will follow your ideals when they see that you are a good leader, but they won't follow you into death.

      People are with you, you are not alone in this world, but it's good to maintain a certain distance from people, for you never know when your best friend may have an objective similar to yours and backstab you for it.

      [–]notonlyplace 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      People will follow your ideals when they see that you are a good leader

      People will follow your ideals if it's in their best interests, which is why good leaders make people think their ideals are your ideals

      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children)

      "A great leader inspires men to achieve their goals, a greater leader inspires men to achieve their goals."

      -Some guy at some point, probably military

      [–]firestell -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

      Im almost sure there's something wrong with this quote.

      [–]phoenix_nz -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      The bolded "their" should be replaced with "his"

      [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      Nope. The ambiguity was the hook of the saying.

      [–]SlainFunicle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      this is bullshit because people hate people who are the 1% because of envy people hate people for a lot of reason, they can't use you, some pretend to like you to ride on your success, people don't hate people because they are poor because i am sure even you have friends that are poor, as for women they leave guys that are billionaires all the time many time, what red pill people should do is if a person is not with you that is their problem they can fuck off you do you and keep improving.

      [–]RedPilledRoaster 13 points14 points  (5 children)

      OP of the other post here. You need to re-read the post. You took it a bit too literally.

      I’m not saying anywhere in the post to isolate yourself from everyone or look at things negatively. The point of the post was to enlighten people about the fact that when you start your self-improvement journey it’s going to bring out the insecurities of others and they will lash out at you. It was meant to prepare readers and let them know that’s normal, and to not let it infect their drive.

      Yes people love to look up to a winner. But they hate seeing someone go from a loser to a winner while they stay the same.

      “The reason almost no one makes it to the stop is because everyone’s a loser.”

      Just reinforcing what I’m saying here. Everyone’s a loser, so everyone tries to keep you where you are.

      “The higher value you become, the more good shit you will get.” And along with that the more spite you will get from others who watched you climb while they remained the losers they are.

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        [–]RedPilledRoaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Lol dude I was quoting the other guy, quit making me facepalm

        [–]3whatsthisgarg[S] -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

        OP of the other post here. You need to re-read the post. You took it a bit too literally.

        No, I didn't. Ironically, I agree with some of the implications of your post. You can't count on people. That doesn't mean you can't use them and that you can't get them on your side.

        Maybe you're not getting the point of my post. The way people are reacting to you is an indicator of your success or failure. You said if people are reacting negatively, it's an indicator of success. I disagreed. In that situation, you are most likely not taking advantage of the human resources around you. It is just entirely too easy to charm people into doing shit for you.

         

        when you start your self-improvement journey it’s going to bring out the insecurities of others and they will lash out at you. It was meant to prepare readers and let them know that’s normal, and to not let it infect their drive.

        Everybody knows about crabs in a bucket. Ignore. See, we agree about that.

        Yes people love to look up to a winner. But they hate seeing someone go from a loser to a winner while they stay the same.

        And you can totally get all Machiavellian on their ass, and get them on your side, or let them go.

        “The reason almost no one makes it to the stop is because everyone’s a loser.”

        Just reinforcing what I’m saying here.

        We're agreeing again.

        Everyone’s a loser, so everyone tries to keep you where you are.

        Not a universal experience.

        “The higher value you become, the more good shit you will get.” And along with that the more spite you will get from others who watched you climb while they remained the losers they are.

        Who cares?

        [–]RedPilledRoaster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Yeah. You shouldn’t care. That was the point of my post lmao

        [–]hahayeahthatscool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm assuming you have never achieved any amount of success or produced anything valuable from scratch. Everything you say is oozing with "I've never been outside", dude. I think you have a very fundamental misunderstanding of human nature. People only like winners when they feel like they can take something from them. Have you ever heard of a niche? You can be producing things 99% of people fucking hate and you can still be widely succesful off that 1% niche. And it's pretty common for a niche to become popular, yet these niches would've never been found if anyone ever listened to your advice.

        [–]MrEscher 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        The more good shit you get, the more jealous people will be. As you said, most people are losers.

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        [–]yodasodatopochico 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        This is true, when some people see a winner, they often gain an inferiority complex and feel insecure about your shortcomings in life which then turns into resentment towards the winner who made them reflect on your poor life choices. However, in order to save face since the winner has social grace, theyll pretend to like the person and talk behind his back which leads to them being haters. Just my two cents

        [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The spergs here want to put on a batman suit cut a hole in the crotch and masterbate to how no one understands them. Any material that fulfills that Ideological objective will be upvoted.

        Your asking unreasonable illogical people to be reasonable and logical. I agree with you bro but it's not gonna happen.

        If you could see all of them in their Batman suits cocks in hand you would realize that your please for reason will go unheaded.

        [–]Ichewfivegum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        When you really master game, everyone is on your side. If your in shape, dress well and game the shit out of everyone and everything, almost everybody you meet will be on your side.

        EDIT: game doesn't work on alphas, reserve it for women and betas. And anybody that recognizes what your doing may not be a huge fan of it. If your gonna use game, you need to be able to demonstrate to people who recognize what your doing that you have some sort of moral compass you follow.

        [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        both posts have pros and cons. take the best of both and make up your own mind. its not that hard.

        no one is on your side, that's very true. however, you can't put all the blame from your unproductiveness on this simple fact. also, you can't explicitly say your plans suck just because you're doing at it alone. sometimes finding the right people to help you is not that easy.

        i say never rely on people and always have a plan to do shit yourself, but also do seek out those that you can learn from and that may be potential problem solvers for you as well.

        [–]ChinmayT2 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Surrounding yourself with good people is very necessary. You can very easily identify the fake people ; it really is not that hard. Be with good people, do good work and success will happen.

        [–]MoeJoFlo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I want to believe in this reality.

        Do you have any personal life examples of people supporting you when push comes to shove?

        I'm so hesitant. My life experiences tell me otherwise. Maybe it was just the people I surrounded myself with.

        [–]ChinmayT2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yeah I have experienced it. Will try to keep it small. So here it is.

        I am 20 years old and am from India.

        I am doing a course called Chartered Accountancy which is quite a tough course. In each examination 20 to 25 % or even less students pass. I am also doing Bachelors in Commerce side by side so I have to take care of two degrees.

        In 2015 after completing my 12th grade I cleared the Foundation level exam of CA and felt like everything was going to get better now but I didn't know I had a lot of faults.

        I failed my first two attempts of Intermediate exam and got sad, really really sad. I also had a paper remaining in first year so you can imagine

        During this time I developed feelings for one of my friends and told about it to her. She was shocked but said we will go on a few dates and will see. We went on 2 dates and then I asked her to be my girlfriend. She agreed. BUT as you know I was inexperienced and couldn't escalate. She would give hints and I would miss them by a mile. Two months later she decided to end the relationship and we broke up.

        I told her I am not going to be in contact with you from now. She said I want to talk to you every day. We argued and I agreed to still be friends with her. This was in February 2017.

        That was the best decision I ever made. Over the last one year life has got better. Talking to her made me realise so many of my negative points.

        I was always Sad, bitter and had negative thinking. Actually conversing with her made me realise how much I needed to improve.

        I failed my third attempt as well but got an exemption in a subject and now after giving my fourth attempt in November 2017 I have cleared my intermediate exam. She was with me through this. Always encouraging and positive.

        Not just her but my friends and family have also been supportive.

        I have a lot to improve but after 2 long years I can finally say Life is great.

        I know it is too long but wrote from my heart.

        [–]tinydickbigballs 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        Every good leader has people willing to die for him and his ideas

        [–]starky-kun 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Who the fuck is willing to die for you?

        [–]tinydickbigballs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        My comment said great leaders. Not myself.

        Think of great leaders throughout history. They had armies willing to die for their cause. Spies willing to die for treason. Assistants and henchmen that would do anything for them.

        [–]360_no_scope_upvote 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        You took the point too literal.

        [–]BryanJz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It depends, you guys are both right. It's in the small details, the way you'd define ''truly caring''

        In it's deepest/animal/hellish form, yes, no one cares about you. We are all selfish creatures and no love (a mothers love usually comes closest) is unconditional. I think that's the key word in this. That post was not to be taking to literal, I think it had a more ''have low expectations, protect yourself, thus be more selfish'' lesson.

        [–]notonlyplace 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        it's not because you are a winner, it's because you are a loser

        Most theft is in house, most rape are from someone you know, guess those people are losers , Why is it that if something is missing it's most likely a family member

        If no one is on your side, it's not because you are a winner, it's because you are a loser

        No one is on the Rich side, in the political spectrum, Remember bill gates got a pie thrown in his face, people only like Warren buffet because they think he lives a poor man life style.

        , it's because your plans suck, or you lack charisma.

        Elon musk sucks then because he can't keep a wife

        Two very real things to work on right there; stop being paranoid.

        Judge a person by their ability to betray you not by their loyalty to you

        then the problem is probably you.

        All problems are men fault, if a women does something it's a guy fault I know

        The reason why almost no one makes it to the top is because almost everyone is a loser.

        No, because people don't want to be at the top, I could be at the top but who wants to put in that effort

        The higher value you become, the more good shit you will get.

        No this is just a way to blame the victim, the higher value you become the bigger the bullseye on your back gets, see Bill Cosby, This is why high valued people are controlled

        [–]LeonardoDiDraperBond -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        Elon musk sucks then because he can't keep a wife

        Just because he's a business genius doesn't mean he doesn't suck with women.

        [–]notonlyplace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        but TRP tries to relate the too, if you suck with women you must suck at other areas in your life, focus on yourself than women will magically fall in place.

        [–]OneCovah -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        "Judge a person by their ability to betray you not by their loyalty to you."

        A powerful statement, in a romance forum, that connects with "the one who invests the least in a relationship has the most control".

        "I could be at the top but who wants to put in that effort' indeed, wider than a romance topic but important nevertheless. Confidence is important for romance, confidence just by itself. Another topic described how, if confidence was earned only by highest achievement, no one would be confident, which is opposite. Confidence is important even at the lowest levels of achievement.

        [–]Self-honest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I think some people are just no good at articulating their thoughts/concepts/points. Or maybe they don't spend enough time figuring out what they are actually trying to say. In any event, I agree with your post wholeheartedly.

        [–]MoeJoFlo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        All of these comments are great. It's good to see discussion on important topics like this , instead of complaining about sjw's and metoo.

        I agree with some of the people here. There are good points in both posts. However, I think it boils down to this : People only help you if it serves their interest. On the bright side, You can serve their interests in many ways. That is where OP in this post is correct. People love winners. They want to surround themselves with winners .

        [–]2Dmva100 1 point2 points  (6 children)

        "...but if she isn't your biggest cheerleader..."

        "...dont count on her for support..."

        O.o

        Post is fucked and places validation from others as a goal. It dilutes your personal victories. Fuck those other people.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 14 points15 points  (4 children)

        You're missing the point.

        OP is saying that you should NOT rely on validation from others as guidance, but if that validation is not present at all, you should look at yourself (and/or your strategy) REALLY hard.

        A simple example can be made: no amount of being self sufficient is going to fix a bad product. You cannot overcome the problem of having a shitty product with "fuck the haters" belief. If nobody is on your side, look at Elon Musk, he does his own thing yet half of the planet is cheerleading for him.

        [–]2Dmva100 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

        As far as Elon musk goes he has utility and that's why he has cheerleaders. If you have success and only use it to benefit yourself you often dont have anyone on your side because they in turn become said haters.

        The post has good points on building value for yourself using RP principles but fails on a meta scale because it doesnt acknowledge how such achievements can rarely have any value unless they cater to the Feminine Imperative, which reaches nearly every section of culture.

        You use the Elon Musk example, I use the Muhammad Ali example. If he was just a guy who beat the shit out of other guys downtown at the underground fight club on Saturday and used all the blood winnings to buy himself fancy dinners, he'd get locked up in prison beacuse he wouldve refused to allow himself to become a tool for consumerism and be branded just another 'violent thug.'

        [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        As far as Elon musk goes he has utility and that's why he has cheerleaders.

        Utility doesn't give you cheerleaders, it gives customers. Cheerleaders come from vision.

        [–]2Dmva100 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        Because vision creates the said product/service/value that creates such utility. It comes down to the choice of use of that utility derived from said vision. Selfish vs. Selfless (the good of society).

        If he used all his efforts and finances to solely flaunt his wealth by driving around next-gen vehicles and flying in space to post pics of it on the internet like 'fuck you all I'm rich, having fun, and youre not, stop looking for a handout, because you're still working 9-5' he'd be a source of ridicule and shame vs. admiration and 'cheerleading.'

        [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The point is, mere utility of the product is not going to turn others from someone who bought the product into someone who bought into the vision.

        [–]3whatsthisgarg[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        "...but if she isn't your biggest cheerleader..."

        "...dont count on her for support..." O.o

        You can't count on her support, and she should be your biggest cheerleader (without you relying on it). No contradiction.

        This is how women are. If she isn't your biggest cheerleader it is most likely because YOU SUCK. I thought you understood one of the most basic RP principles.

        Post is fucked and places validation from others as a goal.

        You're going to have to show me where there is any validation-seeking as advice in the post. I'm basically suggesting using people to further your own goals, and I mean USING as in Machiavellian.

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        [–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Same. You considered this reality, it wasn't yours, so you said "I don't agree". End of.

        His point of view has as much value as the point of view he's attacking. Both are completely subjective to different experiences. Both can be true at different points for different reasons.

        But reality is that most people only want to help themselves, and if they can do that by supporting you (for a time) they'll do it. If you want to have any respect you must also value your own investments.

        His girl supports him because he has made himself into Chad, has displayed dread and she wants that value. If he had no value, then she would be apathetic.

        [–]yesbuthereswhy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Others do not want to see you win. . . . People do not like to see others succeed.

        Depending on the situation this is so true. My wife has got this friend who just had a baby and her husband bitched and moaned about how hard it was to have a kid at his age (30) [My parents had me at 35 and 32 so I laughed because they had my brother too]. He said, "You should just have a kid now." It's as if can't stand being miserable alone so he needs someone else to go through it. He sees my care free lifestyle of lifting, doing what I want and having money in the bank (winning) and wants me to be just like him which is exhausted, no sex and no money (losing).

        Another situation that was the very same night was him and another acquaintance. I said that I am putting some serious thought into starting a service based business and as soon as I got the words out of my mouth they say "Oh that's hard," "it's a lot of work you know?", and "I wouldn't do that."

        Alphas would have said, "you got a business plan?", "what market do you plan on serving?", or "did you do a break-even analysis?" Instead I got chump ass beta ass answers like "you can't do it because of XYZ so don't even try."

        Guess who I don't hang around with anymore? Those guys because they are LOSERS.

        The crab mentality plagues half of society. It's why 50% of Americans have less than $500 and why half of America is overweight. You tell anybody you want to make money. "You shouldn't covet money." You tell anybody you want to have muscles. "You need good genetics." You tell anybody that you invest in the stock market. "You're just going to lose it all." etc. etc. etc.

        I am positive and believe there are people out there that want you to succeed in life but there's not many of them. Most people don't believe they can be successful and as a result they aren't. Because they aren't successful they think no one can be successful. When you go telling people you want to rise up and not be Mr. Average Joe they will come up with a dozen excuses as to why you can't because of XYZ.

        The reason why almost no one makes it to the top is because almost everyone is a loser.

        I agree. Most of society is fat, broke, lazy and stupid. If you live in a 1st world country you got very few reasons to be a fuck up in life.

        [–]3whatsthisgarg[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I said that I am putting some serious thought into starting a service based business and as soon as I say got the words out of my mouth they say "Oh that's hard," "it's a lot of work you know?", and "I wouldn't do that."

        Alphas would have said, "you got a business plan?", "what market do you plan on serving?", or "did you do a break-even analysis?" Instead I got chump ass beta ass answers like "you can't do it because of XYZ so don't even try."

        Thank you, these are excellent examples of exactly what I was saying.

        No one is on your side, my ass. Winners are on other winners' sides, because winners see that winning is not a zero sum game.

        [–]yesbuthereswhy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Exactly, there are winners out there and they are easy to spot when you recognize the language.

        [–]i_amtheice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It's possible, kids, to make your point without TYPING EVERYTHING IN CAPITALS OR BOLD OR ITALICS. We get it.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You know what people love more than a winner? A comeback.

        Rise from your ashes, gents. Show your Phoenix.

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        There IS a thing called crabs in a bucket, but you can just ignore those people. People love winners.

        Absolutely agreed, OP. My friends and those around me are supportive of my goals, business, fitness, etc. There's shit tests from the girls, but we're all used to that by now. Most of the guys in my life are extremely supportive. A few are "don't overdo the gym", but most are very positive about everything.

        Because, as OP says, people love winners. People want something to believe in. You just have to have the right attitude about it, and that means being emotionally non-needy and doing your own thing and doing it well. Not competing with them, more like trying to improve you.

        The reason why almost no one makes it to the top is because almost everyone is a loser.

        Almost right, but it's simpler than that. No matter how good or awful everyone is, there is only room for 10% in the top 10%. How do you beat this? Simple: do something you can excel at. Women have no idea how good anything is (think they can judge a bad rocket scientist from a good one?).... they judge value entirely by how others perceive you and how you perceive you.

        [–]FirstNamesMusic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I agree with this post.

        The difference between a way a woman acts towards a beta and towards an alpha is ridiculously different.

        If a woman sees you as beta, you will get a personal cheerleader for literally anything you do. She will be encouraging you at all things, because biologically she wants you to win. A win for you, is a win for her, which equals social status.

        Men here must realize, a woman will only throw you under the bus if it is beneficial to them. This is why you keep building value. Why would they throw the highest value thing they have under the bus?

        Now the moment you dip in value, all is fair in love and war.

        [–]Believeinyourflyness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Law 7- Get others to do the work for you but always take the credit

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I think you took it a bit too far.

        People cam be "allies", but when push comes to shove you'll often see you were alone from the get go.

        You can be friends and have support in "some cases", but expecting it always (especially if the other benefits from your fall) is a recipe for failure.

        [–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        100% agree, you need people and they need you. It is a lot more advantageous to have connections and friends in high places. If you are well liked and you bring value to others, people will come to you. They will help you in whatever situation you are in.

        Lost your job? Contact an ex classmate who just might pull a few strings for you.

        Emotional wreck? (True) friends and family will help you get through it (don’t believe women can truly be there for you through all the bullshit lmao)

        Need motivation to get fit? Bring a best bud to help spot you on the bench.

        Only losers have the mentality of being alone and self sufficient.

        [–]hahayeahthatscool 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yes seek to please the tribe instead of your own will to power, great red pill advice you dumb cunt.

        [–]Kubomi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        People with that, "it's me against the world, nobody cares about you" mentalities always come off as damaged or broken to me. My experience is the opposite, there are plenty of amazing people in the world and some are my family and friends. It's fine if they came from a broken home or whatever but the fact they can't grasp that not all of us did is annoying.

        [–]Store_Front_Door -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

        All that hatred towards the world bullshit gets praised here because a lot of people of this sub are driven by hate- hate for women, hate for successful people, hate for alphas that bullied them. There's no compromise, so posts with only shades of black comfort them and connect to their ideology.

        [–]notonlyplace 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        You're projecting, I see 0 hate, only realism, it seems we must have the Disney fantasy. If you lived your entire life being told women are morally superior you are going to want to point out that they aren't.

        For some odd reason we must only post positive things about the world and negative things about ourselves.

        Women groups don't do this, they talk about external issues, and build each other up. If someone abuses you as a man, keep it to yourself, otherwise RP will just tell you to lift and become high value

        [–]Store_Front_Door 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        RP is so much more than just women. And you're forgetting the most fundamental truth spread out here- stoicism.

        ‘Who […] is the invincible human being?’ Epictetus once asked, before answering the question himself: ‘One who can be disconcerted by nothing that lies outside the sphere of choice'

        Skepticism and negative thinking has poisoned much stronger structures than RP. For example existentialism- right now it's basically a synonym for apathy and despair, when in an objective reality it couldn't be further away from the truth. But when you're hurt and fueled by hatred it's very convenient to accept and twist ideologies so that they would hate the world too.

        [–]skizzleshiver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        What's the point of having a woman that isn't supportive?

        That's what we in the business world call a bad return on investment.

        [–]amekooky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        It was my understanding that the other post was essentially saying everyone is the protagonist in their own story so don’t accept to be anyone’s priority.

        [–]pollodustino 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        In my (somewhat limited) experience, a good woman will not just cheer you on, but cut you down when you need it. It's possible to get a bit too over-excited or gung ho and start getting arrogant instead of confident, and that's when you need someone to get some sense into you.

        Will it hurt? Yeah. Will your ego get deflated? Yeah. Will it piss you off? More than likely. But once you fix yourself you'll be better, she'll be happy, and you'll both have a better time of it going forward.

        [–]Self-honest -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        In my experience, there are no "good women," just women who believe they are correctly aligned with their best option and ones who don't.