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Red Pill Theory"I could do it if I wanted to" means jack shit until you do. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1grogbottle

Do you think you could kill a human in self-defense? The ultimate test of self-strength, your mental and physical ability to take another human's life under stress. Most of you will think you can. You trust that under duress, your instincts will kick in and save your ass.

Bullshit. Read this article:

http://smellslikescience.com/the-psychology-of-killing-and-the-origins-of-war/

In World War II, up to 75% of soldiers in a firefight would not fire their weapons. If they fired, they were likely to aim over the enemy's heads. These were men under attack, lives on the line, and still they could not overcome the instinct to avoid killing. This is how wars can be won and lost through morale alone, and why veterans in any army were prized soldiers; they were proven in Hellfire.

Ever thought "I could get all the girls I wanted if I tried"? "I just need to apply myself"? All bullshit. Until you have pulled pussy through the sheer force of your charisma, your thoughts mean jack shit.

You cannot become dominating through reading alone. You need practice and experience. Those naturally alpha have more experience than you. They have the right instincts. They have been doing all their lives.

But as war has changed with gunpowder, so the sexual marketplace has changed with liberalization. Simultaneously commitment is less treasured, women are more overtly promiscuous, and just as much more vicious. No amount of alpha instinct will tell you that recording every encounter is important.

This is the part that TRP gives you. It is the knowledge required to navigate this fucked-up state of affairs. But it does not give you skills and experience. It does not overcome a lifetime of bluepill culture for you. Those you have to acquire yourself.

And this is the good news. With the right training, 80-100% of solders in Vietnam shot at their enemies. They overcame their instincts- at a psychological cost- to become killers. They trained until firing became instinctual.

With the right kind of training, you can overcome bluepill indoctrination. Holding your frame through absolute terror will become natural. Some of you will grow disillusioned and turn to MGTOW. Others will revel in the dark joy of domination. Most of you will find some way in between, settling for a good-enough unicorn.

But you cannot do any of this without practice. Until you have fought, you must assume you will flee. That shit tests will crumble your frame. That pussy will laugh at you and mock you. That you will be cuckolded all your life by women without desire and men without respect.

So go out there and test yourself. Thrive under pressure. Prove yourself to you. Do what thou wilt.


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+1

[–]ItzFizzy1 259 points260 points  (25 children)

I didn't even read past the second paragraph, if you have any basic knowledge of WW1 you would know that the "75% that didn't shoot" is an exaggerated claim from SLA Marshall. His only proof/evidence was a few post combat interviews, in which there werent even any questions about the ratio of fire. there also weren't any questions as to if the soldiers fired their weapons or not. He has no proof and this claim is straight out dumb. Edit: Also, most of those that didnt fire were against the war, not because they were pussies. This post is very disrespectful to those who served.

[–]SirReginaldWittberg 77 points78 points  (6 children)

Yeah that doesn't make any sense.. the Japanese had no problem doing suicide missions for their God emperor and would kill without a second thought. If US soldiers had reacted the way OP claims they did we would have lost that war.

[–]TheRealJesusChristus 18 points19 points  (1 child)

USA won the war because they started to participate in it when the other nations (germany, italy, japan) were exhausted and had already fought years of war. And still it wasnt very clear from the beginning that they would win.

In the end italy fought for the allied, and germany + japan were fighting the whole world. And still they managed to stand long.

Yeah, germany lost and japan too, but the winning attack was involving a nuclear bomb. And masses of dead soldiers on both sides. This was a undescribable tragedy.

The whole war was disrespectfull for every soldier that fought in it.

[–]The_Noble_Lie 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is poor simplistic reasoning.

Numbers of infantrymen and their effectiveness / "morale" is just one thing amongst many in all out warware. Strategic advantage, technology, tanks, airplanes, carpet and tactical bombs, nukes supposedly, weather manipulation and psychological propaganda win modern wars. So goes the "story" of WW2, at least.

[–]Jailhouseredpilled93 7 points8 points  (2 children)

It think it was more of an example. The rest of the post is on point. You can read 1,000 books about mixed martial arts and even learn all the moves but without actual experience with an opponent you might do well but probably wont. How do you find out? Do it...the same applies for Game.

[–]Reliiq 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who had practiced one kick 10,000 times.

Bruce Lee

[–]Whos_Sayin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bruce Lee is afraid of chuck Norris' roundhouse kick confirmed.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Heh, who would have thought the website "smellslikescience" isn't very scientific? I guess if it waggles like a duck, sometimes it's just a girl with a big ass.

For the couple of bad assertions in OP, he's right about one thing at least: that you can't rely on knowledge alone, you also need practice.

It's easy to think once you know all the theory, you're done. Or because you used to be able to something that you still can.

And I think everybody is vulnerable to it. It's a common error in thinking, that even if you know it, you sometimes don't practice enough the things you want to improve or be good at.

[–]Alopeciacel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great answer, the fact that these men were not in that situation by choice makes a huge difference.

[–]AboutNinthAccount 4 points5 points  (2 children)

This.

25% of soldiers didn't win the war.

[–]redd_reality 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I bet you close to 10% of soldiers won the war.

The vast majority of success in literally any area or field is accomplished by a VERY small percentage of the contributors or participants.

[–]TsuGhoul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Price's Law: 50% of the work is done by the square root of the contributers

[–]H42 8 points9 points  (7 children)

I think people who are so proud of their ignorance that they proclaim "I didn't even read past the ..." are idiots.

They are so sure that their knowledge is superior to anything that there is nothing new for them to learn. If some your knowledge conflicts with some of another's, it does not mean that everything the other guys knows is wrong.

Only a moron dismisses unread knowledge.

[–]ItzFizzy1 -1 points0 points  (6 children)

this has nothing to do with me thinking my knowledge is superior to anyone elses, why would I continue reading a post which already is providing disrespectful false information in the first two paragraphs. I have no use for it

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    [–]ItzFizzy1 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    your point Is that a moron dismisses unread knowledge. Not only Is it idiotic to call someone a moron over the internet, but the knowledge your arguing over is false information and therefore holds no value.

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      [–]ItzFizzy1 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

      no, I do not know that the rest of the information is false, but when one part is it is extremely likely that the rest is. Especially when the whole post is based off that false information. If you wanna have an actual intelligent conversation message me when you're done sucking his dick.

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        [–]ItzFizzy1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        "only a moron dismisses unread knowledge" "the first to insult loses a debate" , are both excuses for losing ground in an argument and having nothing else to say. goodbye little one

        [–]TelemachusRising 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Exactly. It was that dude trying to sell the need for his own training thing skewing numbers.

        [–]redd_reality -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

        this post is disrespectful to those who have served.

        Only if you're one of those who wanted to take a life but couldn't.

        And if you are, this is a simple fact about who you are at that point in time.

        Disrespectful? It's no more disrespectful than pointing out a certain ratio of men can't cold approach.

        No situation, including men killing other men is exempt to the truth. Any area you write off as "disrespectful" to discuss will prevent any further analysis and growth of oneself.

        Y'all need to harden the fuck up around here and except your flaws, weaknesses and general cowardice for exactly what is. This is self acceptance and the starting point to self improvement.

        [–]ItzFizzy1 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        It is disrespectful to those you had to overcome their morales in ORDER to kill and saying 75% of them didn't is a lie and like I said before, disrespectful. Also, exempt from the truth? what fucking truth? He gave false information and I told the truth.

        [–]redd_reality -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I have no idea if the 75% stat is true or not, but I'm not concerned with such things. I'm concerned with eliminating reasons why we can't hold ourselves accountable to improve in any areas of our lives; including killing during wartime.

        The thinking mind is silent in such a moment. The limbic system, which is largely unconscious is responsible for survival based actions.

        This is why using your neo cortex or 'thinking mind' to determine if you would or wouldn't pull the trigger is irrelevant. This is why it isn't disrespectful to reflect on the psyches ability to do terrible things in a moment of chaos. No one knows if they can or can't do something in moments of extreme stress. And if it turns out they are unable to pull the trigger in combat, rush towards the burning building, or jump into action after witnessing a car crash, it isn't a reflection of their morals or a measure of their manhood, but an unconscious processes dictated by our reptilian brains.

        [–]FindTheBus 35 points36 points  (0 children)

        Grossman is a hack fraud & a liar. That article is based on junk science.

        [–]Illusion740 17 points18 points  (6 children)

        As a infantry soldier with 4 deployments, I had zero issues taking someone’s life and those around me had zero issues.

        [–]SelfTaughtPiano 3 points4 points  (5 children)

        all due respect, you were given multiple times as much training than the average ww2 trooper.

        [–]Illusion740 9 points10 points  (4 children)

        Regardless of what war your in, hearing a 19 year old kid screaming bloody murder because he was peppered with hot shrapnel all over his body while his battle buddy lays next to him ripped in half with what’s left of his jaw sitting on his chest. Then his other buddies torso is literally in a tree with no legs because those were vaporized has a profound effect to make you want to kill. It also makes you realize its you or them and this give you a unbelievable motivation to ensure you come home first. Said with the most respect.

        [–]Legtats 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Served 5 years as a grunt. Never went to war. Thank fucking God.

        [–]Illusion740 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        To be honest, after all the shit I went through I’d do it all over again. War isn’t something I enjoy , it’s the feelings it creates. It turns you into a adrenaline addict a straight junky. Also feeling like the world is resting on your shoulders and those around you gives you this feeling of importance. When you come back from a 9 day mission dirty, smelly and the look of like you just went through hell and bent it over and stuck your cock in it gives you this feeling of badassness. People move out of your way and look at you in awe (partially because of how dirty and nasty you look). Those people know they will never be like you, like a gladiator envied in Ancient Rome by the citizens. I hope to have 2-3 more deployments before my time in the Army ends. I’ll be the old guy telling my grand kids by the fire (gas fireplace) what I did during the 20 year war.

        [–]Legtats 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        You guys are still getting deployments? Are you SF? I was in the Marines from 2012-2017 and literally the last unit to do a combat deployment was 1/9 in 2013. I missed like everything lol. Still had a fucking blast though.

        [–]Illusion740 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        No not all units are deploying this day and age but still tons of people deploying. I’m generalizing stuff. I’m Infantry FYI. Special forces are still deploying to combat zones obviously. Light Infantry/airborne/air assault are deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan with some other areas like Poland. I see a lot of the mech infantry guys I know doing like Kuwait style deployments or Poland. Army also created the new SFAB unit and they for sure are deploying to combat spots. I know some marines also and they have 1 maybe 2 deployments and the army infantry guys I know have 3-6 currently. It’s helps we are the largest force and really self sustaining for the most part.

        [–]3whatsthisgarg 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        Shit, almost nobody got the point of this post, all this talk about combat soldiers. Thread derailed.

        But the fact remains, "I could fuck her in the stairwell or in a stranger's van parked on a public street" means jack shit until you do it.

        [–]fauxVision 52 points53 points  (8 children)

        Shall we all be serial killers and school shooters to prove that we can kill people lol

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          [–]do_you_even_liftbro 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Not just yet comrade, we are close

          [–]2Dmva100 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          The FBI will soon cease to exist after the memo is released.

          [–]MrBlaze-65 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          That's what the gop hopes at least since the fbi is closest to the most damning evidence.

          [–]Rabalaz -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

          So, the memo's been released. Just read it. It added nothin new to the conversation.

          [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

          This is over the top.

          Just say hi (better yet be high value and allow/bait her into pursuing) and go from there. There are lots of reasons why a chick will reject you that have nothing to do with you. There can be just as many that are direct result of things under your control.

          Either way, relax. Just relax. Work on it and quit catastrophizing.

          Don’t compare approaching human beings with killing them with a loaded gun.

          It ain’t that serious.

          [–]Rabalaz 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Thank you for stating something that should be more obvious but apparently isn't. Take my upvote and have a nice day bro.

          [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

          I hear ya, but the real issue here is lying ass dudes. You get to know who's worth a shit quick if you pay attention.

          I coulda killed a guy. My LT says it would have been murder (long story) but the point is I could have.

          I also could have fucked this one girl had I wanted, but I was sick if her games (she was a virgin).

          A real dude doesn't exaggerate shit and he knows his limits. No one can predict the future, but with experience you can see shit coming.

          Like I said, I hear ya. I'm just saying that the people who need to hear this is gonna keep on lying and saying dumb shit anyway.deep down they know they are full of shit.

          One more thing. Of dealing with females is considered "pressure", then whoever is feeling it has a long way to go. Women are women, but they are also just people. Many are basic as fuck, some are ugly, some are whatever. People are people.we all shit.

          [–]MrBlaze-65 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Exactly. We could of all done things to simply put a point on the score board. We are selfish with the things we want, many don't want to get a point that way. It's the frame they stand by and maintain. To move points by breaking your values or own rules is to break frame. Now if you're doing it by not following social norms but living up to your standards or values then go for it. That's selfish but it's also living your best life for you. That's frame.

          [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          The military is just trying to revert you back to what you would have been if not raised to be 'civilized' in a manner that's beneficial to the government. This is why many people have ptsd after killing someone even in self-defense, they were raised to be kind, gentle, and beta then rapidly told to kill the people deemed acceptable by the government right after bootcamp. Killing people of another tribe for the sake of taking their shit and women is normal for human beings. That's what the government is doing in a covert manner (minus the women, we have currency now). The first and most effective way to restrain you is by instilling guilt and shame. Where the mind goes, the body follows. You hold yourself back. In the case that doesn't work, the police are there. Rest assured the people that order you to do these things from the top feel neither guilt nor shame or are very detached from the action through various levels of bureaucracy and can rationalize it away.

          Not really relevant, but food for thought.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          That's so true. Just like how the human body is strong as fuck but instead of using it, people get fat and don't use their muscles, joints and limbs. Unfit people call fit people who workout 3-4 hours a day "crazy". Our bodies were meant to be walking and being active all day. But were trained to sit down and stuff our faces with food, technology, entertainment, gossip, etc.

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          [–]AwkwardEmpath 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Agreed. People do that a lot on here.

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            [–]the__aggressor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            Is that an Aleister Crowley reference i caught at the end?

            [–]cappingPeople 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Some people will lean to anything and anyone.

            [–]Herjaren 6 points7 points  (1 child)

            This is about the dumbest post I have yet encountered.

            [–]reddzeppelin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            There is no evidence that proves solider who didn't kill people in war were less likely to have sex. Obviously fake equivalency, if anything going to war prevented some men from passing on their genes, you'd have better odds writing poetry than being on the front lines, genetically speaking.

            [–]markyLEpirate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            As my dad says “ Shoulda, coulda, woulda doesn’t exist”

            [–]redd_reality 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            A friendly reminder to disregard your self image and throw yourself into conflict, chaos and struggle.

            You don't know who you are; therefore you are a coward.

            Disagree? How can you disagree when you have no experience to back it up.

            This perspective is what allows you to find your reference point, become better and do it all with humility and respect for those at your side.

            Fucking excellent post, op.

            [–]zuhbooze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            That "75%" was draftees and replacements who either were against the war, or didn't want to be there.

            This type of shit happened, but not to the extent the article portrays.

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Good point, you couldn't tell better.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Aside from killing, there are other activities men need to boldly charge towards. I will admit I had multiple anxieties doing things like starting an LLC or a blog because I might be violating non-compete agreements or company policies on having a second job. I look back now on my ridiculous fears I had to move past.

            Today, I am making money in methods that people warn me are quite high risk or 'I am breaking the law'. They are entirely wrong it turns out.

            So I'm not killing people, but I am killing it in making money, which requires a higher level of courage as well.

            [–]__ManBeast__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I can admit to having the mentality that "I could get any girl if I really tried hard enough", yet never went and tried to get the girl for the longest time.

            No one wants to admit they can't get the girl because it would hurt their fragile ego, yet you have to in order to learn how. Admitting you don't know something is the first step towards learning it.

            [–]Reliiq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            No pain no gain, but most importantly more pain more gain.

            [–]joner888 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            95% of soldiers in war avoid killing the enemy in battle . I think it's so deeply rooted in humans that it's wrong to kill another human that the subconscious takes over .

            [–]destraht 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            I think that its very unnatural to be fighting against other humans perpetually for months and years without any sort of reprieve. There would be skirmishes, low casualties and then plenty of time to heal the nerves. We haven't been having thousands of people versus thousands of people for very long in our evolutionary time line. In the past they weren't particularly against killing people outside of the tribe but they also weren't being pushed for weeks into unknown territory crazy distances from their homes and fighting with two hours sleep. For starters they wouldn't have had the logistical support and second it is rather insane and they wouldn't have lived long.

            [–]joner888 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            So true and well said ! Also I don't think people before the modern age fought for ideologies or religious reasons . Wars where probaly about revenge and/or resources

            [–]NarrowSelf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Being in combat is way easier than approaching girls.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I've always hated the "I could do that if I tried" people. They're akin to that know it all dork in high school who bragged about his high IQ and when he'd get shitty grades he'd compare himself to Einstein and say he's not being challenged enough.

            That all may be well and true. But talk is cheap and I don't give a fuck to listen to your ego satiating bullshit. Put in the work and let that do the talking.

            [–]L0wD0g 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I could counter the whole OP if I wanted to.

            [–]VickVaseline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Bravo. We need more science like this on here.

            [–]360_no_scope_upvote 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Everyone is getting upset and dismissing the message of the post. Who gives a fuck about the true statistics you spergs.

            [–]PhaedrusHunt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Not only could I kill someone, in certain cases I feel I'd enjoy it.