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Red Pill TheoryShe wants to feel small (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed ContributorHeathcliff--

I remember something my ex-LTR said to me once while we were fucking; “I love it when you curl me up into a ball, I feel so… small”.

A few months later I met up with a plate I hadn’t seen in a while. I’ve been lifting properly for a couple of years, and I’m much bigger than I was when we first hooked up. She commented on it with a large grin, “wow you’re so big now what happened?” while rubbing my arms.

What happened? 5/3/1 and 3300kcal a day, that’s what happened.

The next plate was bitching about her boyfriend while laying on my chest. He was the same height as her and she didn’t like it. She told me “I love how little I feel when I’m with you…I love it when you pick me up during sex”.


I thought about this for a while, and came to a few realisations. A huge part of the attraction these girls have for men is the physical dominance. In order to get the tingles for a guy, she needs to feel like the dude is much bigger and stronger than her.

I’ve had a lot of problems with tall women and athletes in the past. I can’t seem to hook up with tall girls, even though I have size and wit and frame; I’m still just too short for them to get subconsciously aroused. It seems this is a common trope amongst all tall women. They are very picky because they are still subject to the same psychological forces all women are; that is, she is only interested in guys noticeably bigger than her… which can be hard if you’re a 6ft1 girl.

There was a girl I was running solid game on once who lifted pretty well, and she treated me like dirt. I just wasn’t big enough for her, that was the reason, and it overshadowed everything else. When I saw her with a guy eventually... well this guy was a real fucking beast of a man. An absolute unit. She was like a giddy schoolgirl with him. He was a bit of a dweeb, very blue, but I realised it didn’t matter to her, she just wanted to feel small and feminine and young around him.


You’ll have a hard time gaming woman if you’re smaller than them, and I don’t mean just mean height-wise. You can be taller, but if you’re stick thin, if you look weak, she’ll clock onto this and her pussy will be dry. You’re better off being fat than skinny for women. At least fat mimics size, and hints at strength, which is enough for her. You can get away with being shorter or her height sometimes, but only if you have the muscles to make up for it, and absolutely solid frame. There’s no way around it, you need to make her feel weak.

She needs to feel like you can overpower her at any moment for there to be any way of her being attracted to you. If she feels like she can hold you off in a fight, or she could stop you from just… taking her… it’s not possible that she can be attracted to you. It might sound fucked up, because it kind of is... women are fucked up after all.

One of my plates loved it when I pinned her wrists down during sex and would struggle to break free. I allowed her, not wanting any of that #MeToo nonsense. Then she would get mad and call me weak, a pussy. I had to show her that I was actually holding back a lot and she could never break free from me even when I was putting in miniscule effort. Never felt her cum so hard.


Women yearn to be small and smooth and weak and feminine just as much as we want to be big and rough and strong and masculine. It turns them on, in irrational, subconscious ways. Are you able to make her feel feminine? Are you able to make her feel small?

I’ve only ever been with one girl that was my height, and honestly… it felt weird. It made me uncomfortable. I’m so used to girls being small and cute and inferior around me that having a girl that felt like “my equal” in stature left a bad feeling in my stomach. Like I had less control, like I was less masculine. Honestly, I think she felt it too, and very much wished I was taller. The only way I managed to get away with it was that there was an age difference between us, and she knew I was smarter and more mature, so this made her feel inferior in other ways.

Because that’s another important aspect, one that underlies all this small/tall talk. She doesn’t just want to feel small around you, she wants to feel inferior... in every way. She wants to be a small, dumb little girl in your eyes, a little pet owned by a capable, collected and powerful man. If she feels like you’re equals, or, even worse, if she feels like she’s better than you in any way; stronger, more intelligent, more socially adept, more emotionally adjusted… you’re going to have a lot of problems with her. At heart, she needs you to be better than her in every way. No exceptions. All women fundamentally want to feel inferior to their man, they want (and I cringe saying this cos I hate the term) to feel like a little girl with a daddy owning her; even if she can’t verbalise it. Once you’ve lost the “dad” role and she no longer feels like your innocent, dumb little plaything, well... she can’t bring herself to fuck you anymore. She wants to be owned and dominated, physically and mentally.

Are you taller than her? Are you stronger than her? Are you smarter? More in-tune with the real world? Able to hold your own in a physical, or verbal, confrontation?

She needs this from you. You can’t avoid it.

Heck, are you even able to pick her up?


[–]CocaineOnYourClit 142 points143 points  (21 children)

"I have an extreme need to feel small" is word for word what a plate told me when I asked why she liked when I pick her up and throw her around. I've been with taller women though, not noticable harder than shorter women, so dont completely agree with you. They just had one more shittest and reason to disqualify me that I had to blast through out of the 99 other reasons

[–]failingtheturingtest 34 points35 points  (4 children)

It seems your love focused on the wrong part. Make them feel small does not mean "must be this tall to ride".

Pick them up, throw them around, overpower them. Make them feel like dainty little flowers. Tall girls moreso.

If she's taller than you and you can easily (key part is easy) hoist her off the ground and throw her all over your apartment, she no longer feels bigger than you.

Tall women are harder if you can't beat that shit test. If you're not strong enough to make her feel small, someone else will.

[–]civilizedfrog 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Shorter girls are used to the "thrown around" game. On the other hand, if you throw around tall girls, you get to see waterfall downstairs.

[–]banthrow 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Don't go all macho and throw around tall girls. Very likely she will get injured, or you.

[–]banthrow 15 points16 points  (0 children)

One thing that always surprise women is how strong men are. Even the tiniest of soyboys can easily overpower even a tomboy athletic girl. They don't expect it, even less with all the feminist bullshit they heard nowadays. When they realize your strength and their lack of it, they usually get all hot for it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Post title says it all, she wants to feel small. Physical prominence is one way and probably the easiest and most immediate way to achieve this. However, it is certainly not limited to this.

A powerful presence, leading her, being a strong, decisive person can make any girl feel small.

Also important to note Physical prominence does not guarantee her feeling small.

[–]CocaineOnYourClit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yep. On a side note, love your posts and you are definitely going to get endorsed in the future imo if you keep it up. Did you have another account before this one?

[–]bitopansad 10 points11 points  (1 child)

You're right. Tall girls are harder, not impossible. Personally I've always had a thing for shorter girls, so I focus myself on them. And I really like how you guys have put things in here. It's amazing. I'm metting out shit treatment to a few of them plates, and one of them literally said, 'I can't believe I even like you!' and she'll be all giggly and sweaty in front of me. Make women feel small. Be cocky, be arrogant, DGAF. Who cares if she dislikes you, there's plenty of fish in the sea, and some of them are kinkier than you thought.

Found that my most innocent non-partying, non-alcoholic plate, is a squirter and a cum-guzzler. Also cooks breakfast. And I am yet to find a reason why I should give her attention.

[–]Luckyluke23 32 points33 points  (11 children)

yeah man.. i feel like his post reads like:

if you are 5'7 or shorter you won't get laid.

[–]cumfortably_dumb 18 points19 points  (8 children)

find a girl who is 5'5 or shorter.

[–]1AlfredKinsey 8 points9 points  (6 children)

Not necessary, though also not bad general advice. Don't limit your roster, though.

[–]cumfortably_dumb 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Well yeah why would you want to limit your roster. As a matter of fact my advice would only increase the size of your roster as most people go for them. I love short girls. You can throw them around and with minimum strength show physical dominance.

[–]1redhawkes 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is classic missing the wood from the trees.

You gotta have stronger frame than her, be dominant and lift like your life depends on it.

[–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You gotta have stronger frame than her, be dominant and lift like your life depends on it.

yeah, I get that, I'm just saying what his post read like.

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[–]Truedemocracy4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

PIck her up and bang against the wall is another way to establish dominance

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At least you can pick her up. It would appear that the heifers of bloopland are jealous that no one can pick them up.

[–]1TRPKiddo 169 points170 points  (42 children)

“5/3/1 and 3300kCal a day, that’s what happened” put a big ass grin on my face. I love seeing people that I haven’t seen since before I started lifting. They look at me like a fucking god.

[–]kalashnick 108 points109 points  (18 children)

It's what I think about sometimes during those final reps.

Imagine the looks on their faces all these years later.

Helps me sometimes.

[–]mx3552 17 points18 points  (17 children)

this is what this sub has become? people building up muscles to get validation from people? you guys really dont get it

[–]Nr367 58 points59 points  (9 children)

Is this what this community is become shiting on people for not having reasons to improve on that you don't like?

[–]mx3552 6 points7 points  (4 children)

They are bitter and I don't think their reasons for improving are good. But sure they're improving so whatever I guess.

[–]JamPetrarka 30 points31 points  (2 children)

One of the main reasons of lifting is external validation, stop deluding yourself.

[–]WhoSweg 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No it’s to be strong enough to pick up a bar! It’s nothing to do with bitches liking big muscles!!

/s btw

[–]Nr367 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Fortunately Improvement breed further Improvement. I'm with that Improvement hopefully brings new perspective. So it's not put the chicken before the egg or however that saying goes. I say let's build them up while they're small then when they can take a hit, then hit them with the truth.

[–]falconpush 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Becoming a better version of yourself isnt always a "validation-seeking" behavior. The validation is mostly a byproduct of you success.

[–]AntwanAntoon 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I've never understood this line of reasoning. Who cares what the motive for lifting is? As long as he is lifting, it's all good.

If it's to the point of obsessing over what others think of his body, then sure that is something to work on. The reality is everybody cares to some extent about validation.

[–]BigClitorisDick 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Are you surprised that they are still plugged in? Is it not fair to say a majority of the sub is indeed still plugged in? One day the light bulb will flicker. Though they are on the right path.

[–]youlovethisish 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What do you get, my dear? What do you get that's so much holier than all of us?

If you're going to engage, bring value. Otherwise you're just as worthless as when you stepped into the discussion.

[–]Andgelyo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed, I'm lifting and becoming healthier for myself, fuck what other people think

[–]MarcosDomingues 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Ikr, but you better be ready to set your own boundaries from the beginning or you will get lots of shit tests thrown at your face.

[–]I_BET_UR_MAD 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Wish i could bulk on 3300 cal a day lol

[–]xxWildbeast13xx 14 points15 points  (8 children)

What does the 5/3/1 mean? I’m in highschool and I want to start lifting.

[–]1TRPKiddo 21 points22 points  (2 children)

5/3/1 is a style of training. Would not recommend for a novice. Stick to a novice program based on your goals.

[–]zestytacoz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

5/3/1 is for intermediate, right?

[–]preworkoutandsteak 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A good 5x5 program is great too. KetoGains has a great one.

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Then look into starting strength or stronglift first if you're a novice.

[–]xxWildbeast13xx 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I’m not really a novice I lift for high school sports but thats it. I have a weight bench at home too.

[–]Crimson_Medicinal 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hey, I’m a personal trainer, just wanted to throw out some advice.

If you’re young and trying to put on size, the most important things are eating enough food, sleep, and consistent training.

Google TDEE calculator and find out how much you need to eat to gain 1-2lbs per week; I guarantee it will be more than you expect.

Specific routines aren’t important, as long as you’re training correctly and intensely. Kettlebells, barbells or dumbbells. Calisthenics are a waste of time if you’re trying to get BIG.

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Good, it's always good to see young guys start lifting early.

[–]MillionaireSexbomb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

5/3/1 is fine for beginners, start with low weights and make sure you’re using proper form. good form practice now will help you out a lot in the future

[–]Morphs_ 1 point2 points  (6 children)

For clarity, that means heavy lifting with three sets of 5, 3 and 1 reps respectively?

[–]1TRPKiddo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No. It’s a much more complicated rep scheme. If you want, you should purchase the book by Jim Wendler.

[–]Celicni 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Everywhere I looked it's explained so bad and all the spreadsheets didn't help either. I found one guy on reddit that explained it pretty nice and I understood it. PM me for link because apparently I can't link to reddit.

[–]unclecrumble 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. Some become a little dickish though

[–]Endorsed ContributorFeralRed 194 points195 points  (19 children)

My tallest chick ever.... I'm 5'10. She was 5" taller....

Granola chick, we tindered. A few messages in I said," You know what would be hot? You get in your car, drive to my place, We meet, kiss, and we don't speak a word for the first hour together."

She showed in her veggieoil mercedes wagon (really). I met her on the steps. When she came up the steps I realized she was a good 3-4 inches taller than I was. Holding the "shush" sign, I took her in my arms and we kissed right there. Slight patchouli scent, of course.

The kiss progressed well, I opened the door and actually swept her off her feet, carrying her upstairs into the master. Threw her on the bed and continued making out as clothes started coming off.

We fucked in silence. Hot. My phone finally let us know the hour was up. I took her sweaty hand in mine, and cheesily kissed it, saying, SO nice to meet you, my lady." She was a plate for over a year. I taught her to love fingering and anal, which she'd never done before. Great girl, I could call her today and she'd be over.

Her thoughts... Hot and different approach. Didn't treat her like a tall girl, had no complexes about the height difference. Strong. Carrying her easily up the stairs got her wet because I could toss her around effortlessly, so she felt feminine in my presence.(lift, fuckers). Dominant in the bedroom - took what I wanted, again with the make her feel submissive and girly... A girl who's 6'3 has been made to feel like an awkward giraffe her whole life.

Treat her like the little girl she is.

[–]2virusofthemind 56 points57 points  (11 children)

Nice story. I would think though, that any woman at 6'3" wouldn't be too concerned over a guy shorter than her as it would exclude something like 95% of the male demographic if she did. If you look at dating site profiles for women it's the demographic of 5'6 to 5'9" who tend to ask for taller men as they can wear heels when they go out and still feel feminine and "protected".

[–]CocaineOnYourClit 50 points51 points  (4 children)

Women state height preferences online because they equate height with size. You can try it out yourself (if you are ripped/big), use tinder. First have no shirtless pics in your profile, see how many women ask your height. Then put a shirtless photo of you where they see your big arms, chest and broad shoulders and very few will ask your height

[–]redditvivus 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Social science does not suggest this actually. Seriously. For what its' worth, men desire shorter women, even if they are, say 6'0.

[–]CocaineOnYourClit 6 points7 points  (2 children)

It does, check out the study that was out where percieved upperbody strength trumped height in terms of attractiveness, it was on here a while back

[–]redditvivus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That's interesting! I'd love to see the link to the article... most studies are flawed when it comes to many anthropometric measures... BMI can be very noisy (misclassifying people), and height can actually be faulty if self-reported.

[–]HerefortheTuna 20 points21 points  (5 children)

also girls who are like 5' even want a 6' + haha

[–]zestytacoz 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Some girl told me this weekend that she matched with a guy that was too short. he was still taller than her

[–]HerefortheTuna 20 points21 points  (2 children)

My female roommate is 5’3” and she says that she calls guys under 6’ friends. But she’s a busted up slut who is 30 and miserable from the bad choices she has made

[–]BostonPillParty 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Loved living with a couple of female roommates. Saw hypergamy and other good old fashioned truisms in real live.

[–]HerefortheTuna 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh TW great. Plus built in dread when I flirt with her in front of my LTR/ chicks I bring by the house

[–]Morphs_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Interesting, maybe she subconsciously compares him to other males too? So not only does he need to be taller than her, he must also be tall enough to potentially win fights with the average guy.

[–]el_Technico 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Better post than op, who sounds like a humble brag.

[–]andAutomator 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Love this. My tallest is 5'11". I'm 6'1" myself (more like 6'0.75" but whose counting). Anyways, hoping to get a plate around this height and going to keep this story in mind.

[–]Jcov17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My tallest plate was around 6'1 and lasted about a year till she got a taller boyfriend . I'm 5'7

[–]Rudeyyyy 68 points69 points  (12 children)

Ironically I’ve had more success with girls taller than me rather than shorter than me. I’m 5’4. Yet I’m ripped and have 12% body fat. I don’t care if she’s taller. But I can still pick them up.

My female friends gave me shit about my height until I picked them up like they were nothing and threw them in the pool and they gave me this look like wtf. They just assumed I was weak because I wasn’t tall or had the huge muscles. I’m very lean. I’m not bulky.

This post definitely resonates with me. It’s harder for someone my size. I guess the beard and muscles help. I think they key to take away from it is if you don’t show you’re insecure and have solid frame you’ll have an easier time. At least for me. I haven’t brought up my height. It is what it is. Nor do I care if she’s taller. Know how to handle shit tests and it will be easier. This in turn will make you stronger.

[–]1studentsensei 38 points39 points  (5 children)

Tall women hook up with small guys. It's a fetish for them.

In my experience I hooked up with a taller girl before. Whenever we walked out in public she would make comments like "I bet when people see us they're like 'what are they doing together'" and laugh it off.

Like you I was leaner but still had a decent amount of strength. The first time we hooked up was when I was chillin in her room and she complained about her back issues so I gave her a massage. She liked it a lot and started horsing around with me to the point that she almost fell off the bed and I held her up in my arms like you would a baby.

She smiled at me but I've never forgotten the look in her eyes. It was pure lust. Raw and visceral.

All of my LTRs were around my height (5'0-5'6 range) but if chicks like you enough they will look at you with admiration, adoration and respect. Essentially they will MAKE themselves smaller than you. That's the nature of submission.

[–]Rudeyyyy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Maybe i'm on that same spectrum because I kind of prefer taller girls or at least girls my height. I like long legs. I get what you mean though.

I've noticed a correlation though where if the woman is bigger than she tends to be more dominant. I can understand that because of the difference in size but it's still nice to see them be submissive even when they're taller. I'm ok with a woman taking control though in some points. I won't say no to her mounting me and taking what she wants.

[–]celtiberian666 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"I bet when people see us they're like 'what are they doing together'" and laugh it off.

She like the looks people give. She like to guess others are thinking you have a huge penis and/or a lot of money LOL

[–]UncleChido 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The last paragraph was especially well written. Good post mate.

[–]kindlypassive 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I guess that’s true to some extent. I’m 5’9, 120 lbs and my boyfriends only 5’6-7ish. HE encourages me to wear heels and absolutely loves it when I do. I love that confidence in him.

[–]redditvivus 11 points12 points  (3 children)

I do think there is a difference here: it's more like, all else equal, she doesn't just prefer tall men, she ACTIVELY dislikes (detests) shorter men.

I think taller women have loads of insecurity that comes from male modal preferences. Tall women feel out of place; and any guy they date will be shorter than them... thus, a shorter guy will always be a shorter guy.

As a tall guy myself, I think it's grossly unfair that short men are judged poorly. There are ways around it, but come on!

Personally, I am sometimes a bit shocked by VERY short women wanting to date me (less than 4'11 !!). Like, why not date the 5'2 guy who is totally awesome? At least there won't be a backache.

In general though: tall women are as mistreated if not more than tall guys. Seriously. They want to feel small but can't. Can we also include male preferences in this?

[–]Rudeyyyy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Same came can be said for a short guy. A short guy will always be short. I’ve been 5’4 for around 6-7 years now. I can’t change it. I’d be lying if I said I wish I wasn’t taller. At least average height or at least 5’8 so I’m taller than most women.

I never understood extremely short women trying to date a guy at least 6+ like holding hands is so awkward. I’d rather have a girl at my height. Everything’s easier.

[–]redditvivus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I agree... I had a woman on some stupid dating app who was 4'9... I'm like, "this is not even feasible." It angers me to no end that we don't talk about heightism, and the absolute disdain women have for shorter men. Like WTF?

Here's the crazy fact: HALF of all women are YOUR HEIGHT OR SHORTER. That means you have a coin flip for women. So why does Madame 5'0 or 4'9 even have the gall that I'd like to break my back trying hold hands... it's weird to me.

[–]OODBX 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm the opposite end of the spectrum. 6'4" 277lbs...and far from lean. I'm built like WWE superstar Big E. I've been big all my life, but as a kid into my teens...it was obese big. When I hit 17 I decided I wanted to change my fortunes and follow my father's footsteps into the USMC. I ended up dropping 40lbs by my 18th and enlisted. In bootcamp I dumped another 23lbs and was a solid 226lbs when I deployed in 01. In my 11 years in the corps I hovered between 218-226lbs until I got hurt.

Came home in '12 and balloned back up over 300 due to depression and a shitty divorce. By '14 I got my shit back together and decided I wanted to start powerlifting. Been doing so ever since, and I'm where I'm at currently as result. The looks I get when people see a big Mandingo walking down the street with his chest out and the Earth trembling under foot is priceless.

[–]Rudeyyyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You get respect before you even do anything. People assume I’m weak until I can lift heavy shit with ease and then they look like a deer in headlights.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 64 points65 points  (12 children)

Heck, are you even able to pick her up?

Here's an easy way to do it, while you are inside her:

She's on her back on the bed, you're standing on the floor. Cross her legs at the knees, drape those against one of your shoulders, then just reach under her shoulders toward her scapula and lift her up completely off the bed, pull her towards you and continue fucking.

Women want to be manhandled.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Women want to be manhandled.

That's what my ankle-dragging-across-the-bed move is about. It gives them the tingles.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 8 points9 points  (2 children)

That's what my ankle-dragging-across-the-bed move is about.

Preferred method for myself instead of ankle-grasping (which could have too much vascular damage) is hook your elbows under her knees. You have an incredible amount of leverage, and you can pull her all over the place like that.

[–]CocaineOnYourClit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pulling one of her ankles looks more effortless though, makes her feel like you are more powerful

[–]CMajorThe3rd 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Question, why the fuck does everyone link to that archive shit site that never leads and makes reddit look shit on mobile?

[–]womans_algorithm 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Even if the post in question is deleted, the archive link will still show the post. It's basically a snapshot of the web page.

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Missed your post. In your 3rd position, do you put both hands under the woman's scapulars thus holding her upper body?

Also I'm having a hard time imaging the 2nd position, is it like the reverse of no 1?

[–]3whatsthisgarg 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Missed your post. In your 3rd position, do you put both hands under the woman's scapulars thus holding her upper body?

Yes. Your wrists at her upper arms, fingers extend to her shoulder blade. Pull her right up off the bed, walk around the room push her up against a wall, whatever.

The first time I did it in the heat of the moment, and looking back I was surprised at how effortless it was. You might even think that having her legs over your shoulder and against your chest would amount to more resistance, but it doesn't. You have complete control of her entire body.

Also I'm having a hard time imaging the 2nd position, is it like the reverse of no 1?

No, but you can do it any way you want. What I like is when our bodies are in a complete plane, and her legs are in the same plane. Just a really good view of the labia. Also good friction. If her legs were bent, Idk, maybe, but experiement and see what you like.

I'm telling you, the first time I did that one (also spur of the moment), it looked so good, felt so good, and then when she said "oh my god your arms look great" it was one of those things. It's good to be a man.

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ok, call me dense, I'm still having a hard time imaging no 2. So you stand behind your woman, both standing, enter, and here the part I'm confused when you said to "lift with your hands on the inside of her thighs." Do you mean to put your hands on the "back of her knees" inside, like she's sitting on your dick? Or as in you reach around to the front of her pelvis, put your fingers at the crease between the groin and thighs area, so next to her vagina, and lift? This way both her body and legs will be in a straight plane.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"lift with your hands on the inside of her thighs." Do you mean to put your hands on the "back of her knees" inside, like she's sitting on your dick?

Not what I do, but it could work for a different body style.

Or as in you reach around to the front of her pelvis, put your fingers at the crease between the groin and thighs area, so next to her vagina, and lift? This way both her body and legs will be in a straight plane.

That's more like it, but if you are too close to her crotch, there's too much surface skin tension, too much vascular damage, and too little leverage. Get about 1/2 way to her knees.

What i"m doing: standing front to back, rear entry and she is standing straight up. She does not bend over. Then I lift her legs up, on the inside of her thighs, so my knuckles are facing the mirror. I keep her legs in the plane of her body.

The reason I'm specifying all that is because that is what makes it easy. As long as she doesn't bend over, you can control her whole body.

it's not like those porny moves where a huge guy lifts a 88 lb chick doggy style with his arms under her legs and up into a full-nelson. Which I would not believe if I had not seen it.

[–]musterdcheif 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like that post but a video would be a lot more helpful

[–]viyacondios 13 points14 points  (0 children)

As a corollary to this, I've found women enjoy being moved around as part of the old in & out rhythm. While thrusting quickly and hard, the guy can do a combined movement where he thrusts + pulls her a few inches into him, then push her back, then repeat, etc.

[–]DwightWolftail 23 points24 points  (9 children)

Meh, if you can handle her like a doll it doesn't matter that much. I've had big girls who were dtf with me and I'm 5'7. I weigh 180 lbs of muscle but I don't even think it has to do anything with that.

Women want to feel small. But not only on the outside. This is the first impression (which of course matters a lot), but I sometimes feel, like girls who lift and see you lift, will automatically rate you by your physique. You have to be quick and show your other attributes, and take the frame from the beginning.

Something tells me that a skinny guy will have less problems attracting a tall girl, than a guy who lifts and is smaller than her. I believe it has to do with the inability to compare herself to you.

[–]jaitajupi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

From afar maybe they will care about your height but once you have physical contact then it doesn't matter.

[–]1AlfredKinsey 3 points4 points  (7 children)

5'7" and 180lb? You're about maxed out on mass, bro, gratz!

Can I ask how old you are and how much you weighed at 18 y.o.?

[–]DwightWolftail 3 points4 points  (6 children)

23 yo right now. At 18 I was about 160. I was working out since 13 yo. At 18 I went down with a non cancer tumor, which made my life hell. I was out for about 2 years. Luckily, I went down only about 5 lbs, don't ask me how. Till then I had problem with gaining. When I got into the gym again, I started powerlifting. I went to 170 in two months, and got to 180 in a year. Without even changing my diet. Again don't ask me how. Good genes I think. Lucky bastard. But I did have to pay with sweat and exhaustion.

[–]1AlfredKinsey 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Sounds like you are built like a bulldog. I'm the same height, but just now breaching 150.

[–]DwightWolftail 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You are not as far away as you think. Just do compound movements in your workouts, change your program when you feel like you have plateaued, and switch from high reps to low reps from time to time. Look at it from my (european) perspective: You are only about 14 kg away from 180 lbs.

[–]1AlfredKinsey 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Maybe. There are genetic limits, though. Mine is estimated aroud 165, based on wrist size, short muscle bellies, etc. Also, I'm not ever trying to weigh 180. No offense, I just prefer to stay leaner and slightly jacked.

I do switch up reps, though. Life goal is 155, but I'm already happy, I just focus on improving lift strength with every month that passes. I've put about 28 lbs of muscle since I was 18.

[–]DwightWolftail 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Good for you man. Although to be honest, 165 ,is not that far away from 180. I really don't look that different. You'll see when you reach 165. You don't really look ''big''. Just a bit built. My LTR doesn't see the difference, my friends can't, and seriously I can't, even from pics. But maybe it has to do with my workout program, as I don't do bodybuilding. However,I would agree, that for us short bastards, there IS a limit to how jacked you can be to look good. Some guys DO get too big. But we'll talk when you reach 165.

[–]1AlfredKinsey 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ah. Powerlifting/strongman body type, then? I'm at <10% body fat most of the time, so we probably have different goals.

[–]DwightWolftail 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeeah, I'm about 13% bf. I have enough mass for my abs to show and veins in my arms though. I will go your route when I reach 30-40 though, as it is healthier.

[–]Lavlamp 23 points24 points  (0 children)

To guys who are looking for excuses not to eat right and lift big, I always say the following: "you don't want to sleep with a girl who looks fat or has no curves, why would she want to sleep with a guy who is fat or has the frame of a 13 year old boy?"

[–]gorilla_bro 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Can confirm that height makes a big difference for guys. My last girl was 6'2" while I am 6'5" 240 lbs. She looked at me like she was a little playful school girl and she loved when I pinned her wrists down in the bed room as well. It was night and day different when I did those "forceful things" to her.

[–]Thunderfin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Funny thing is in heels, she'd be your height or taller. And you're huge.

[–]gorilla_bro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah i know, she never wore heels around me thank goodness.

[–]canarywocoalmine 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Pick them up and carry them to bed. The effect is awesome.

[–]ArnoldBateman 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Outside of when you are actually having sex with a girl, how do you make her feel this way? What can you do/say to subconsciously make her feel small around you?

[–]1AlfredKinsey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Inserts and standing on your tippy toes. (not srs)

[–]unclecrumble 8 points9 points  (1 child)

As a 6’4 215 pound white gorilla I can confirm women just seem like they love to be around me. Even at my size though the alpha mentality still applies and if I stopped doing what I’ve been doing everyday since finding this sub they wouldn’t take a second glance.

[–]unclequavo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women love to look up to a tall natural born leader.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Great post neatly summarizing what I consider is TRP's most important, most relevant, most directly-applicable-wisdom about sexual dynamics.

Women are aroused by men they feel are superior to them in matters they value.

Even pre-redpill, 100% of the girls I got with, whom I could feel were really into me, were so because I was vastly superior to them in a way they valued, usually education (for uneducated girls who were convinced they were not smart and deploring it) or life experience (for girls avid to travel but too young to have done it yet).

[–]joner888 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ja ja ,All this game and hooking up stuff is fun and all , But tell me more about you running 531 ? Lol

[–]kalashnick 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I’ve only ever been with one girl that was my height, and honestly… it felt weird. It made me uncomfortable. I’m so used to girls being small and cute and inferior around me that having a girl that felt like “my equal” in stature left a bad feeling in my stomach. Like I had less control, like I was less masculine.

I feel the same way.

I will only ever date a girl shorter than me.

[–]pitchfork228 5 points6 points  (2 children)

it's all in the head, though, mate. tall girls are hot. u just need to figure out ur issues. btw, I'm 5'7.5''

[–]1AlfredKinsey 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Hanging on to that half an inch!

[–]Welendas 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ohhh , that’s why she’s always calling me Daddy

[–]BornEze 6 points7 points  (0 children)

" Heck, are you even able to pick her up? "

Damn. Reminds me of when I tried to playfully pickup this chick once. Keyword "tried". Ended up not being able to lift her up, and she did this quick defensive choke hold thing mid lift. Laughed it off playfully to "get out" of that weak situation. She never noticed thankfully. But just remembering that reminds me that I need to keep lifting to never have that happen again. Be worse if I was fucking and I couldn't even lift her up. Great post bro, thanks.

[–]d3g4d0 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's true. I refer to every woman I'm with as "little girl" and they eat that shit up. Pin em down, throw em around; they'll come back for more. Don't you ever forget to let her know how much of a dirty, little girl she is.

Edit: Grammar

[–]Prophets_Prey 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is too true. Had a girl I slept with just ask me flat out to be rough with her. Made her cum anyway, but then she wanted to test me. She'd ask me if I was intelligent and strong, if I had a job. I was like, that's a really weird thing to ask. We just fucked and you're asking all this. Anyway, ended up with her lying on my chest just trying to play fight with me. I obliged, pinned both her arms with my left hand - I've got a strong grip - and did what I wanted to with my right hand. She was compliant and it felt right. I was feeding off her feminine energy and she was with my masculine energy; it was symbiotic. Girls just want to be treated like the little children they are.

[–]Fred9001 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Can you elaborate on the nutritional part? I am 73kg/185cm and have struggle to gain weight, leave alone eating such quantities of food, mainly cause I dont ever feel hungry because of Medication...

[–]1AlfredKinsey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Arnold talks about struggling with this. He had a small appetite and got around it by eating many small meals every day.

Not sure that the science totally check out, but I believe that a high-protein breakfast first thing in the morning helps to improve appetite through the rest of the day.

Liquid meals like whey shakes should go down before solid foods, as it is very easy to consume large amounts of these drink foods easily, especially if they are sweet and tasty

[–]JOHN_MOLESTA 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Eat carnivore. One or two meals a day, work up to 2 lbs of meat daily. Beef, eggs, salt, water. Nothing else. Work out 3-4 times a week. You'll get hungry.

[–]Dabunghole 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Eat. Whole milk, whole eggs, salmon, steak, rice, peanut butter, etc.

Eat 3-4 meals a day. Concentrate most of your carbs around your workout.

[–]derektwerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need to eat more calories than you burn. If you want to be serious about gaining weight, use an online TDEE Calculator and use MyFitnessPal and track all your calories.

[–]bastardstepchild 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She needs to lose some damned weight.

[–]LucaKolibius 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Have you considered that you feel attracted to small, less powerful women and thus cannot speak for all women? Maybe it's a sample bias here.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This is a common argument that pops up from detractors of The Red Pill:

Maybe it's the women in your life who respond to physical presence, unabashed confidence, and aggressive behavior. But not ALL women are like that.

And if this was a blog written by one person, or the chronicles of a frat at Dupont University, I would agree with you.

But when almost 300,000 men from totally different ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds report positive results from just a few minor changes in the way they interact with women -- well, at that point it's just intellectually dishonest to disregard that as "sample bias", even if you can find exceptions.

[–]LucaKolibius 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That appears to me as a valid argument.

[–]RylanBlackwood 4 points5 points  (0 children)

People really underestimate the benefits of bodybuilding. One thing I noticed which in my opinion is more important than the opinions of women, is the opinions of men.

Before I started lifting I was always met with criticism from a girlfriends father/brother, they were always taking the piss out of me and trying to undermine me and invalidate me.

Post lifting its the opposite. One hand shake and they're saying things like "He seems like a well mannered young man" "He seems very mature" "I quite like him as long as your happy I'm happy" And I'm a quiet guy, normally the compliments come despite I haven't said much or done much to impress them. Just one hand shake.

Current gfs dad gave me classic dad talk name picking banter a few times when he dropped her off. After one hand shake and some good lighting that shit stopped.

[–]1AlfredKinsey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hack for shorter guys with taller girls: kino hard and position your bodies such that you feel larger to her. Physical dominance, doggy style with a hand on the shoulder/pulling hair helps them feel submissive and small.

Also, for more mish-like sex, you can fold their legs (half lotus, one leg bent to the chest, fetal position, etc. I've fucked girls ranging from 4'10 to 6'2" and this definitely works to make a taller lady feel like a little girl beneath you.

If you can't toss a girl in the air, still manhandle her. Pull her onto you, flip her around, etc.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

This is not a hard rule. I am 5'1. Out of the 9 women I've slept with 8 was taller than me.

[–]HurricaneHugues 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Are you really 5'1? That means youre an actual "little person" right? Interesting

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I lack like two or three inches from medically being considered a dwarf. The cut off is 4'10 in the US and 4'11 in some parts of Europe. But I am pretty much a dwarf.

[–]HurricaneHugues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh ok. Whats life like for you man?

[–]Truedemocracy4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

agree mostly but no no no fucking way fat beats skinny. Nope not in a million fucking years. Thin means jaw line and some definition. Fat means gross. Now if you're big and burly? Sure. If you are tall Dad bod? Sure. But if you're fat? Lol no

Also different times of thin. There's athletic thin - soccer player, marathon runner, cyclist, mountain climber. These guys aren't big or physically imposing but still look athletic, are defined, and can pull easily. There's computer programmer thin where you start running into serious problems.

I'd rank it thin athlete > burly guy/Dad bod > nerd level thin > fat in terms of what women want, with bottom 2 being basically shit status anyways

[–]Mattreddit760 8 points9 points  (3 children)

In other news, water is wet

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Not everyone knows what you know, Matt. It should be expected that we know this but there are people barely getting onboard.

Edit: Think objectively before you comment.

[–]1TrenGod37 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You’ll probably get flack for this but I was thinking the same thing. This isn’t anything new. We all know women want to be/feel dominated by men and why.

I don’t see anything special about this. This is like making a post about women wanting a leader. Everyone would be like. Yea. We know

[–]ShrimShrim 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In addition to feeling small, I also think they like to be reminded verbally. I tell them they're small or tiny all the time.

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[–]The_Real_Cannaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The smaller they are the more tall you have to be, i don't get it.

[–]-DeadLock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Too big a size difference and its scary for them in my experience. Very short girls tend to like guys who are skinny. Big muscly tall guys will scare them.. Just from what Ive seen.

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[–]BeurreDePinotte 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn id buy you a beer my man!

[–]redditvivus 4 points5 points  (4 children)

As a tall man, I have dated very tall women. They really want to feel small too. A 6'1 woman is VERY upset when she see's a 6'3 man dating a 5'4 woman.

When I dated a woman who was 6'0, I asked her why she wanted a taller guy: "so I don't feel like a whale." That was over a decade ago, and it hasn't left me. AWALT.

[–]A_solo_tripper 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Being bigger, taller, and stronger than a does appeal to the "looks" aspects of attraction, obviously. This is pretty much common sense. However, I have a feeling some people may use this post to reinforce their limiting beliefs. Yes, its good to get as muscular as possible, and take care of yourself. But, if you are short and scrawy, don't let that stop you from being successful. Ask lil wayne, rae shrmurn, they get more pussy and can pull like it aint shit. They are small, short, and dont look like they are in the best health. they are stars, socially powerful, solid frames, etc. So, try to improve what you can, both physically and mentally. Don't let either get in your way to success.

[–]Ceroe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How did this get downvoted?

[–]UncleChido 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Very well put. Be the best version of yourself. Remember girls are the side dish, your mission comes first. They would always come when you’re successful

[–]The_Real_Cannaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just become famous if you are short/ugly, bro. It's easy.

[–]hiddenpleasures123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women often are surprised you can pick them up and throw them around. I did this to a hookup once... I threw her on the bed and ripped her clothes off. She was a plate for a few months after.

[–]StillHigh09 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re better off being fat than skinny for women. At least fat mimics size, and hints at strength, which is enough for her. ?

Maybe its better being fat than anorectic,but visible veins and a six pack worked out for me much better than being bigger and heavier but with higher bf.

[–]clavabot 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Saying short guys are fucked eh

[–]The_Real_Cannaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well they are certainly heavily dissadvanteged, saying otherwise is BP sugarcoating.

[–]Rares5555 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“I like it when you curl me up into a ball”

I tried a fair share of positions in bed but what the fuck is this basketball fucking witchcraft? I can only relate it to when I put her hands behind her ears.

[–]msyhak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have this rule: If I can't pick up a girl, I don't date her. Because if I can't pick her up, either I'm too weak, or she's too heavy. If she's too heavy, either she's too fat, or she's too tall.

[–]snipervlad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit , this totally makes some serious sense . I knew it but I couldn’t put my finger on it

[–]Youngyoda89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is good heath. Funny that a chick I nailed a while back, the hottest chick I ever fucked, was actually the exact same size as me. She was crazy af, she did mma. And this was back when I was a skinny (er) little bitch. I weighed 140 at 5’9 and she was 135 at 5’8. KILLER ass. Anyway- she told me she wanted to suck my dick and a few times she tried to playfully (or not) over power me. She failed of course bc I’m an amateurly trained fighter so I submitted her with ease. Ended up fucking her and she told me, years later, that I was the best sex of her life. I wonder how she’d act now tha I’m 5’10, 170 and 12% body fat? Not that that’s HUGE but a 30 lbs heavier than last time.

[–]JinxsLover 2 points3 points  (12 children)

My 5'5, 125 ass reading this comment is making me wonder if I should even try. The only girls I've dated have been shorter then me come to think of it.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine 16 points17 points  (6 children)

You can be a loser and give up, or you can work with the cards you were dealt.

Your choice.

[–]JinxsLover 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Ehh if I had given up I wouldn't be on here. Kinda new here just trying to improve starting with cardio, whatever the fuck frame is and getting a better job finish my degree. I just don't think tons of girls care how jacked you are judging by friends I know success or lack of. Some do for sure but if they do they aren't going to pick me anyway unless I do 20 hours a week in the gym to catch up. That said if it works for you go kill it

[–]Deathlock932 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You only need to do a couple hours a week, somewhere between 5-8. You believing that girls won't be into you guarantees it, they pick up on that shit.

[–]BrownGummyBear 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Stop rationalizing why you shouldn’t lift. As a man it should be your goal to improve your physique as much as possible, only women and little boys don’t need to be in shape in this world.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 5 points6 points  (1 child)

You forgot the end part. You can be superior in other ways she value a lot.

[–]pitchfork228 1 point2 points  (0 children)

improve yourself. don't give a fuck. that's it

[–]187oddfuture 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another top-quality post by Heath, keep on keeping on!

[–]Dead_silence2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ya know I dont rly think ur gender has anything to do with being a sub or dom but whatever ig

[–]InconspicuousWand -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Wait am I missing something? Isn’t this Painfully obvious? And written all in the sidebar?

[–]mukituki123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What template of 5/3/1 do you use

[–]Demiurge_Decline 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not say it does not have value nor is it crossfit. I treat it like a part of lifting. Martial Arts. Lifting. Calensthetics. So no I'm not the best at it but I dont care enough...lol. I can pick my girl up by her wrist and bend her back. That's what matters. lol

[–]OODBX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being 6'4" 277lbs...I can attest to this.

[–]SwoleyMoleyFrijoley 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great post. Reminds me of the bullet point in the redpill antibiotic nuke by u/IllimitableMan:

Women are hypergamous they feel entitled to a superior mate. You have to be richer than her or at least equally rich, more educated than her or at least equally educated. You need to be better looking than her or at least equal looking, you need to be more popular than she is or at least equally popular. You can offset one area (LMS - looks, money, status) with another, but if you're lower in at least 2 areas just forget it.

[–]JaspersChest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is all no big deal. It's not Fu**ed up, it's not horrible, it's not even weird. Women look up to men for guidance, for survival, for care. How can they look up to and man they stand on equal ground with? How can she look to a man for survival when he can't even dominate her in a fight? If your reading this and you want to know what to do, here it is... Toughen up your mind and body, be the complete opposite of a feminine woman.

[–]reluctantly_red 0 points1 point  (0 children)

5/3/1 and 3300kcal a day

Lets be honest here -- without steroids too this is sumo wrestler program.

[–]Kurush559 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would be so amused reading this if you're 6'1 or something. Your point is valid nevertheless. I make an effort to sit and stand with immaculate posture whenever I'm with a plate (or in public, in fact). This can make a huge difference - I've had two plates that were slightly taller than me, but this actually wasn't noticeable because they had bad posture and mine was perfect. Neither realized they were taller than me until a few months into fucking. Fix your posture guys.

[–]rawr878_8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This made me laugh out loud

[–]freew33zy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know about this thread. I'm only a generous 5'9" yet my LTR is 5'9"and my hottest non-LTR bang was 5'11". I'm not even jacked at all--165, 15% bodyfat--yet can pick either up effortlessly, and that's been enough to please both of them.

Honestly, I prefer girls my own height. It's helpful too because I'm on the shorter side yet always have done well because of decent facial aesthetics, so having kids with a tall chick would hopefully create a 6'2" Chad. Short chicks feel like weird children to me.

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