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Red Pill TheoryWomen pledging commitment to you is like getting paid in monopoly money. It doesn't really count. (self.TheRedPill)

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Disclaimer: I'm rehashing a lot of old RP theory, but I felt compelled to share how everything finally clicked for me.

Summary: Don't be swayed by a woman pledging her eternal love to you, because it is an (allegedly) enduring promise made by a creature that lives in the moment.

Body: I was lying in bed with the ltr on a relaxing Saturday morning. She rolled over, looked me dead in the eye, said "I want to spend the rest of my life with you," and I felt..... nothing and then surprise at my apathy. You see, something clicked that every moment. The last little bit of the bitter pill had be dissolved by my formerly blue pill stomach acid.

I realized that very moment that her want of commitment is identical to my want of sex. It is automatic. Hearing her say those words evoked the same response from me that I would get from hearing my buddy say "man, I want to fuck that girl." That response is: no shit.

This is not to say that everything a woman says is a lie. This is to say that he pledge of fidelity, or rather her want of fidelity, she gives to you is because of how she feels for you right then. When those feelings are gone, the promise no longer makes sense.

Finally, as a side note, Your commitment is what she is chasing, not what she's selling. Within the confines of a ltr, that is your leverage. Don't let someone try and pay you with your coin.

Lessons learned: -Women don't give commitment, they seek commitment -Women's want of commitment is like your want of sex -Commitment is yours to give, not to chase


[–]pavista 206 points207 points  (33 children)

Spot on. I've had women say this only for our relationship to be on the rocks weeks later. Take statements like that as basically meaning that she's into you in this particular moment and that's it.

[–]Temuzjin 132 points133 points  (5 children)

Add "right now I feel like..." to whatever she says.

"Right now I feel like I want to spend the rest of my life with you."

[–]1jb_trp 57 points58 points  (1 child)

Fine print: All promises of commitment may be null and void at any moment they're not convenient for me anymore.

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    [–]Trpidation 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    You'll be surprised at how quickly it sticks. Within the first few days of trying it I felt a drastic and lasting difference. It's pretty liberating actually. It lowers the stakes by a lot.

    [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 41 points42 points  (22 children)

    ...and I will guarantee you that once things are on the rocks, she'll forget that she ever said those words to you, even if you remind her.

    [–]I_Wear_Jorts5 94 points95 points  (5 children)

    "What happened to you wanting to spend the rest of your life with me"

    "You just like....got all like...weird all of a sudden. I wasn't like...being serious. Did you like...actually take that seriously???? We can still like...be friends."

    [–]bittr_n_swt 49 points50 points  (1 child)

    fucking hell, this makes me mad just reading it loL

    [–]pavista 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    While many no doubt find it frustrating, I take issue more with them saying the statements rather than not following up on them. People change and quite often in the opening stages of relationships people hide who they really are.

    The key point I took from OP is that women don't say those things because they mean them, they say them to secure commitment from you and by doing so feel less attraction to you instantly. Once they have your resources locked down their relationship effort starts to wane. So when you hear "we should get married one day" what she's really saying is "I've put a lot of time and energy into this relationship and I think I've got you locked down, confirm that view". Most men would take this as a sincere view of joy that she said that and buy right into her trap, it takes a very self aware male to reply "Thats nice".

    [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Excellent follow up, man. I've also been using another response along the lines of "that's nice". Smile and say "is that a fact?" at her - the incredulity turns it into a tease, and allows you to get sexual if you want to, while letting her dive deeper into all those mushy feelings she's trying to tell you about and prove to herself how true her words are.

    That's really women at their best: happy, wide-eyed wonder, feline femininity and the unending chase. The self aware male will always find a way to make himself the prize, then lovingly yank that shit just out of reach when she gets near it & lets the little claws out her paws to grab on to him.

    [–]newmeforever 4 points5 points  (15 children)

    My last date forgot that she had said, "I'm glad that you smelled my neck the first time we hung out. If only I knew you were going to do that I would have made it smell better."

    She totally! forgot that she said that. I had to screenshot her text and send it to her.

    smh.

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      [–]adamryanx 33 points34 points  (9 children)

      She doesn't remember having sex with the man she's currently dating. It's totally not a big deal though because there weren't any other guys aside from that one she slept with when she was 24. Promise. She'd remember if there were.

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        [–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 8 points9 points  (5 children)

        At her age, sleeping with 6-10 other guys would already make her a slut. You may loosen your scale a bit to make things more "acceptable", but realize that she's promiscuous. She only has slightly more restraint than other "free spirits".

        And yes, women absolutely remember all the memorable details. If you weren't a memorable lay, she won't remember you. That is the bottom line.

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          [–]pavista 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Between 7 and 11 guys for an attractive girl (8.5 / 10) at age 26 is about as low as you are going to find.

          You don't know she's slept with 7-10. You're 'estimating'. That you claim she didn't remember you is bizarre. Even if it may slip your mind momentarily, when meeting the person you would remember.

          Either she's dishonest and playing some type of power game, or she's slept with hundreds of men to the point she genuinely can't remember. Either way, why are you dating this woman?

          [–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          The girl you're describing in your first paragraph is fair enough to keep around for a bit. Even if we assume it's 7 guys by the time she's age 26, if they were to all have been "boyfriends", it would have come out to about 1 a year. For you, that may not be so bad, but that doesn't mark a girl as being commitment worthy, if she's had that many boyfriends in that span.

          You're probably thinking, if she's had so few partners, she MUST be a prude and boring right? Or maybe she's got a very low libido and not good at sex. Etcetera, etcetera.

          But does more interesting make a girl more commitment worthy? Guys need sex. We do what we can to get it. Girls don't need sex, but they do want it at times. A girl who's fulfilling all her wants when she pleases is not commitment worthy because she'll be putting herself above all others.

          As mentioned by others on TRP in other threads, "It's better if she's fucked 3 guys 10,000 times, rather than had sex once with 20 different guys."

          But if you're keeping her around just for sex, it really doesn't matter how many partners she's had. But it's not unrealistic to find a girl who's had less than 3 or 4 partners and who has been in a few long-term relationships.

          [–]MachineFknHead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Single guys need sex. Guys in a relationship want sex. From other women who they have never had sex with.

          [–]pavista 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          At her age, sleeping with 6-10 other guys would already make her a slut. You may loosen your scale a bit to make things more "acceptable", but realize that she's promiscuous. She only has slightly more restraint than other "free spirits".

          That and he has no idea what her numbers are based on what he just said. He was just 'estimating'. I don't know about women, but as a guy who has slept with around 20 women I can tell you I remember everyone of them. There is no way she would forget multiple sexual encounters with one guy unless there had been hundreds of them.

          [–]the99percent1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          im pretty sure youd remember all 10 people you slept with.. if not the name, definitely the face.

          [–]pavista 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          No doubt. I've slept with twice that many women and I remember all of them, the situations, were and why (although I must admit, I have forgotten the name of a couple, but I can remember who they are very clearly).

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          She isn't a total whore either

          My last girlfriend forgot that we had sex with each other

          One of these is not like the other...

          [–]pavista 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Its not like she has a shit memory - she is a doctor trained from a top university. She isn't a total whore either (she only had slept with one man up until age 24, she doesn't go out drinking, all her friends are christians, etc). And I've seen enough power plays to know was not a power-play.

          This sounds tough to believe.

          [–]CD_Johanna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          She isn't a total whore either (she only had slept with one man up until age 24

          Only one man that you know of.

          [–]marty2k 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Relationships can only last if you fuel her emotions in a way that keeps her seduced and wanting you. Every second you don't is a chance for her feelings to change.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I got a cute little card from my LTR of 7 years that said "I'd be lost without you."

          Not 24 hours later, she was saying she wanted an airplane ticket home. I totally did not give a shit, and still don't. I keep the card just as a reminder how little it means.

          [–]Boovs4life 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          How do you respond to a woman that tells you this? Still trying to digest the redpill. I am learning but still got a TON to learn

          [–][deleted] 78 points79 points  (12 children)

          Great post. One could also say women write checks (tell truth) with disappearing ink

          A few months ago I was enthusiastically fucking a woman who told me she wanted my baby and to wake up next to me every day for the rest of her life.

          A week later she told me she couldn't see me anymore. Too risky since she is married she said.

          She definitely meant what she said at the time she said it. She just doesnt feel that way anymore. This feelings based "truth" is not understood outside our community. Its the basis of woman hating as "women lie"

          They dont really lie. They just say what they feel AT THAT MOMENT

          [–]marty2k 17 points18 points  (6 children)

          Combined with the fact that women rarely have a sense if honor or duty to their words means they should always be taken as wind. "I'll love you forever and never wrong you" can turn into fucking some guy in a club bathroom in an instance with no remorse or true guilt.

          [–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (5 children)

          Honor and loyalty are male traits. The bluepill conditioning makes men think women will reciprocate these behaviors.

          They wont. And they cant

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            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            It's better to think of unicorns as soooooo rare that attempting to find one is akin to planning your early retirement around the state lottery.

            Sure it happens. But.....

            [–]MachineFknHead 6 points7 points  (3 children)

            Dude, men do the same shit. At least, I do. Why does TRP assume this is a women thing? Ridiculous. It's a human thing.

            When I like a girl and I haven't fucked her yet, I'm all about it. I'd probably say yes if she proposed to me, I'm so convinced. After we've had sex a dozen times or so and she's practically living with my, my feelings have totally changed. This is normal. It's how we've evolved.

            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            It's important to remember at the beginning middle and end of the relationship that it's a temporary thing. Just enjoy the time.

            [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

            If you want to maximize your sexual strategy's success then you should lose that scarcity mentality and practice aloofness.

            It's catnip.

            [–]ballotechnic -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Save your breath dude and just read the stuff in this sub for the fascinating study of human nature that it is. At best you'll just be talked to like your delusional, at worst you'll be banned.

            [–]Redasshole -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Women's promises and words are void of meaning since they change with their feelings.

            That's why most of the time you don't need to pay attention to what bitches are saying.

            [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (6 children)

            First off: great post. Women run on emotion. This precludes them from being reliable or honorable because both of those things require denial of self to uphold principle. A promise from a woman, especially regarding fidelity, is worthless. The hedonistic urge is too great for them. They can't make the rational choice. They go where the tingles take them.

            A buddy of mine saw a girl he knows I'm fucking out with another guy he knows. He tells me about it and I told him good looking out but I don't care what she does with her own time. This is a girl who constantly bitches about me being "emotionally available." Not a half hour later I get the text to come over and fuck her.

            A few weeks later I ask her whatever happened to Mike (dude's name) and she goes pale. I clarify I'm talking about the dude she went out with, not angry, just curious. She says she was pissed at me (must have been Tuesday) and she met him and "he was so nice to me. Like, the total opposite end of the emotional spectrum from you. It was nice to be complimented for a change."

            So I ask why she ended up fucking me that night. "I mean...he was nice. But that was it. I wasn't attracted to any other aspect of his personality and at the end of the night all I wanted was to see you. And I hate myself for that because it makes no sense." No tingles, no pussy.

            So, she got her emotional fill from Mr. Nice Guy and got her physical fill from Captain Asshole. Dude is left holding the bar tab in one hand and his dick in the other while I'm choking the shit out of her and slapping her clit with my balls. If I made myself "emotionally available" (gave validation for statements like "I want to spend the rest of my life with you") I would share the privilege with Mikey over there of supporting her feelings while she satisfies her dick craving elsewhere.

            OP's complete lack of emotional response is why she feels the urge to stay with him. The alpha is unconcerned with her emotional babbling. She's there for him, not the other way around. The moment he stoops to her shallow emotional level she will find someone who is a more stoic, masculine specimen and fuck them instead. AF/BB.

            Secondly: Are there seriously self-congratulatory comments about googling for fucking cat videos? The rest of Reddit must be leaking. If that shit continues unabated the integrity of this sub will be compromised and the quality of this sub will turn to shit.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            You've given me an excellent idea for my next LTR related post. Btw, what the hell are you talking about cat videos?

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Read the full thread. You'll see them.

            [–]-Universe- 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            How to come of as emotionally unavailable?

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

            Don't validate her "gushy" bullshit and don't allow her to pull you into it. I have a mind for the technical and I hate laziness and liars. What women refer to as "emotional" is really straight up lying to coddle their emotions. Classic example? Bitching about work or school. A lot of girls I dated constantly bitched about receiving perfectly fair treatment at the hands of a manager or professor who came to a reasonable conclusion that didn't benefit them. Don't facilitate the whining. Either ignore it completely or ask hard questions ("What have you done to fix it?" Hint: the answer is always nothing). Bottom line? You are not her emotional tampon. Don't let her use you like one.

            [–]-Universe- 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            Thanks for the reply.

            So by this she will see you as Alpha (the sex guy) and not as Beta (the emotional tampon). Is this what a man should do so that she only wants sex from you?

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Drop in the bucket as far as that goes. It isn't any one thing. That's why "fake it til you make it" isn't heavily endorsed here. You can't fake abundance mentality. You have to genuinely not care if she walks out and communicate as much.

            [–]abdada 60 points61 points  (17 children)

            When a woman is gooey retarded for you, you've got her pretty well "committed". All my LTRs must be in this mental state for me to give them displays of affection and commitment.

            But I've watched LTRs be gooey retarded for 3 years and then off like a light switch. I don't even bother with full on dread at that point, I just tell them the feeling is lost and it's best we just be friends.

            Sometimes it was my fault, sometimes it was her life goal timing, sometimes it was the weather. That gooey retarded mental state tells me that not only am I doing right, but she's eating up everything I'm doing.

            If it becomes her rational mind speaking, the relationship is toast -- or needs too much work to try to fix.

            [–]toalysium 28 points29 points  (3 children)

            "...sometimes it was the weather."

            This strikes me as the key statement. Sometimes you can do everything 100% perfectly and it'll still fall apart. Not just your best efforts, but the best efforts of anyone would have still failed. This is hard to remember in the moment though.

            [–]1Snivellious 34 points35 points  (0 children)

            This is a thing to remember throughout life.

            There are people who hit every note right raising their kids, but some factor they didn't see or couldn't control leaves them with disobedient hellions.

            There are people who improve their skills, work hard, and get shot down from their dream job because the interviewer forgot which candidate had which name.

            No matter how well you do, you can get screwed by things you can't control. Be prepared to accept failure, no matter how certain you are that you did thing right.

            [–]BallisticTherapy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            [–]toalysium 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Holy shit: Women are the Kobayashi Maru!

            [–]CryptoManbeard 21 points22 points  (8 children)

            I've actually noticed an interesting trend since my divorce. My wife pledged her undying love for me and how amazing I was, only to fuck around like 2 weeks later. Since then I've been watching other relationships and so far have not been wrong. The MORE "gooey retarded" a chick is with her man, the more likely it is that she will terminate the relationship with extreme prejudice.

            My theory is that a woman who can be so overcome with her emotion that it seeps out into public awareness, will have the same type of emotions in the opposite direction. It's also a red flag for a personality disorder.

            [–]abdada 19 points20 points  (3 children)

            There can not be a great reward unless one takes great risk.

            My opinion is that the hypergamous mind is always gooey retarded, but the woman's rational shit-talking mind is usually louder.

            When you lead a relationship well, her rational mind is muted. For the time being. When you fail at leadership (for any reason, even irrational ones) and her rational brain gets loud again, the fall can be crushing.

            [–]JackGetsIt 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Great analysis. I would say that the phrase 'rational' could be replaced with 'extreme hypergamy.' If women were being rational they'd know that cheating and divorcing and re-entering the dating market later in life is extremely dangerous for her and her spawn. So women have two states hypergamy (find a man and keep him if he is a strong leader) and extreme hypergamy (my man is failing let's branch swing to a stronger man regardless of logic and circumstance).

            [–]abdada 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I see things differently based on my relationship successes and failures and also interacting with thousands of women directly in business and with platonic colleagues and peers.

            Women have two brains:

            • Hypergamous hind mind: the gyny tingles and gooey retard mode
            • Irrational forebrain: the shit talking trickle truth mode

            A woman who is in a relationship with a stoic leader will be gyny tingles gooey retard mode. Even with coworkers and bosses and peers.

            A woman who is in a relationship with a placating schmuck will be in irrational shit testing LMR mode.

            In my sexual relationships I never experience LMR. Shit testing is extremely rare. My current LTR hasn't shit tested me once in 6 years (she was a plate for more than half that time and she knew it). My secretary of ten years was in constant gooey retard mode (no sex ever of course) until I found her a better job and she's still in gooey mode whenever we cross paths. My mom is in gooey mode because I even reward and punish her behaviors and actions.

            The minute you fail at leadership and involve emotion, women can snap out of gooey retard mode and become irrational shit testers. You failed them. You lost your stoic frame and fall into their emotional frame.

            [–]JackGetsIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Thanks for the clarification; and it makes sense. I think my confusion came from your original comment using the word 'rational' when you were actually referencing the 'irrational forebrain.'

            [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            When we're talking LTRs, pledges of undying love that just sound too good to be true can be a warning sign. It pays to keep one eye open, as she's trying to lull you to sleep with the gushy mushy. Some women unconsciously do it to "go through the motions", as if she were on stage, and "see what she will feel when she says it".

            Moments later it becomes her secret unspoken self-justification for discretely straying with Charles from work - "I said it and... I didn't feel what I thought I would feel. I deserve better? What if I made a mistake, what if I can actually get Charles and am selling myself short for this other chump I just said my undying love to?"

            It's absolutely maddening stuff for blue pill men, if they do not understand that in a woman's solipsistic world the man does not really exist or have importance, only her feelings exist and are important.

            [–]trpftw 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I don't think it is like that for most women.

            Just that you should be prepared for a relationship ending at any moment for any reason. Realizing the full disgusting potential of every human being, man or woman.

            Yes it's also important to realize that intense love can lead to intense hate and vice-versa.

            A personality disorder would be more like she loves you one day or for a few hours, and hates you the next and disrespects you. Then asks forgiveness the next day etc.

            All women (non-disorder) can have mood swings or certain forms of loss-of-interest.

            [–]forgetful_storytellr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Holy shit this is my experience exactly.

            Gooey retarded is a great way to put it.

            [–]abdada 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            It's what I require in an LTR. Full time. My LTR (long term plate before) has been goory retarded for me for almost 6 years as she climbed the status ladder. Once she was at the top she went even more gooey. My exes were all gooey until they weren't and then I ended the relationship soon after.

            It's the opposite of LMR: any less than gooey and you're doing something wrong.

            [–]32king 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            i love the name "gooey retarded" hahahah this is perfect, core rp tenant women are more emotional, once they've tied their emotions/vagina to you you have all the control.

            [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 15 points16 points  (1 child)

            A woman will pledge complete commitment one second, and the very next second state her inalienable right to change her mind.

            [–]theflupke 7 points8 points  (0 children)

            On of my ex did this.all gooey romantic about wanting to spend her life with me, then saying she'll leave me if she finds someone better. This girl was the pinnacle of red pill theories

            [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children)

            Integrity, fidelity, and honor...these are all fleeting, ephemeral concepts for women. It's just their nature, they aren't evil because of this fact.

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              [–]cariboo_j 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              You never hear the expression 'a woman is only as good as her word'

              Good observation. I never thought of that...

              [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              They are very inconvenient and inefficient traits and practices for the female imperative and sexual strategy.

              [–]TRP VanguardCyralea 65 points66 points  (25 children)

              Getting a woman to adhere to her words is like herding cats. She never feels a commitment to stay true to something she said in the past the way a lot of men do, intrinsic difference between men and women. If it's convenient for her to deny she said something, she will.

              A pledge of fidelity from a woman only really means "I'm committed to you at this precise moment in time". Take it for what it is.

              [–]Nebulose11 10 points11 points  (17 children)

              is like herding cats.

              I had never heard this idiom before and had to look it up. All I can say is: The google images are fucking fantastic!

              Also: Cats are easy to herd you just have to train them, as well as understand that sometimes they have more important things to do during their day than to be into whatever the fuck you want. (The sarcasm doesn't seem to come across well here)

              Women love cats because cats are completely focused on themselves and what they desire, you should be too!

              [–]ihaphleas 10 points11 points  (6 children)

              Most of the women I've known prefer dogs ... they like fidelity and don't like competition from cats. Women are cats.

              [–]Nebulose11 0 points1 point  (4 children)

              Don't mess with (single) women that own dogs. It is almost never a good thing.

              [–]reigorius 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              Don't mess with (single) women that own dogs. It is almost never a good thing.

              I dont know what it was, but when I looked at dating profiles like tinder or okcupid, the girls with more than 1 picture of her and her dog, I always lost interest.

              [–]Nebulose11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Her dog is her fake kid. She puts all of her time, money, and energy into it. Also: A dog is a huge commitment for women. Walks, feeding, cleaning up after it. Can't just leave a dog at home and go cross country (or world) like you can with a cat.

              Most cats don't fill in for kids. They don't beg for attention and get in your way nearly as much as a dog or a kid. Just fill up the food and water, clean the litter box, and pet it a bit on the way out of the house and that cat will be good for a week or two.

              [–]rockymountainoysters 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              It's because if a woman has dogs or cats, it means she should've already had children by now.

              [–]Philhelm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Good point. No dogs or cats for my daughters until they reach the age of 18.

              [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              Googled. Was not disappointed.

              [–]Sinborn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              For more lack of disappointment, YouTube "cat mosh pit"

              [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              [–]Nebulose11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Thank you. I haven't been into sports since I left high school. I think Super Bowl commercials are some of the funniest shit but not worth paying Comcast or Time Warner.

              [–]yaardi 4 points5 points  (5 children)

              I've always thought cats are the most RP of pets.

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                [–]yaardi 16 points17 points  (0 children)

                [Rant] How I got castrated this weekend

                [–]1 TRP SupporterFred_Flintstone 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                It was my cat that taught me how to push-pull

                [–]Philhelm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Did the cat try to scratch you during the push-pull?

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Yeah, women don't get the concept of "word is bond" like men. Even male criminals have a code.

                "All I have in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break em for no one." - Tony Montana

                [–]TheReformist94 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                So if it counts for jack shit,from a purely financial point of view,what's the point in remaining faithful if she is gonna do a 180 at any moment.we put all the emotional investment,have to keep them entertained yet in return we have to turn down fresh pussy,whilst she will abandon ship the minute somethibg better comes alobg.what is honestly in it for us?

                [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Nothing, if the woman is an independent agent, she can go fuck herself. She cannot bring her true value to a man's life without surrendering that agency.

                That true value is in being the man's beloved possession and mother to his sons. Once she made the decision to be with him, she does not get any easy options to exit from the arrangement (nor does the man, notably). This is justice and yet everyone is listening to the friendly neighbourhood Gloria Steinem, who claims it's the oppression of women. A world out of balance!

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                You are really talking about honor vs in-the-moment-feelz

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                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Frank Underwood is a pretty RP character

                [–]Wrong_Opinion 12 points13 points  (3 children)

                I learned this one the hard way when the LTR I had just before I swallowed the red pill (thanks for that by the way exgf!) wanted to talk about moving-in together and maybe getting married.

                We agreed in autumn to move-in the next summer when our leases would be up, and to get married if it worked out for 2 years or so.

                3 months later, the week before my 23rd birthday, she abruptly ended the relationship via a phone call on my way home from being terminated by my employer for turning in my 2 weeks notice. (Yeah, you guessed it, I switched jobs to be closer to where we would end up moving.)

                Not a month later did she change her profile picture from a bright smiled selfie to her standing next to a taller, richer, older guy she met sometime during our relationship with her arms in a deathgrip around his hips.

                That was the gut punch that rocketed the blue pill out of my stomach and made room for the red one.

                [–]fortifiedoranges 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                Moving, getting a place together, marriage? Damn you dodged a cannonball brother! It's easy to tell how much better it made your life, you don't even give a shit about her anymore and it shows. Acceptance was the hardest part for me, and I know a lot of the guys here had the same problem. That's the greatest part of all of this, the payoff is worth it. It's bleak, but so much more rewarding than I ever thought it could be. Especially when you branch it out from just sex, you see everything and everyone differently.

                [–]Wrong_Opinion 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                I wouldn't say I don't give a shit about her. I've only recently gained the self-discipline not to daydream about what could have been. I must remind myself all the time that what could have been may well have been disastrous. We look at the past through rose colored glasses quite often, especially when it comes to relationships.

                I also try to remind myself of the problems that actually did exist. How she gradually cooled off in the bedroom, how she insisted we begin eating healthy and working out while simultaneously ramping up production of buttermilk black pepper biscuits and oatmeal raisin cookies (baking was her hobby), how she kept around shitty friends and filled my ear with complaints about them behind their backs, how she had this wonderful neighbor/friend who was a hard working African immigrant named Treboul that was her "best friend" and how hard I ignored the fact that when he left for Illinois she got knock-out drunk and melted down on someone's front lawn during his going away party. I was so blue pill I laid on the ground next to her to keep her warm instead of kicking her ass to the curb and telling her to move to Illinois with the motherfucker. (Nice guy btw, but he slept around A LOT. I learned a lot of lessons retrospectively from Treboul).

                [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Brings back memories for me too. Biggest lesson learned as time passes is that it was never about me. It was always about her, and like a complete tool I used to assume it is about me. Just because she talks about having feelings for a man does not mean it has anything to do with this man, his qualities and what makes him unique.

                It's always about the girl, period. It's her movie and she's the starlet, the men are at best episodic props. Meanwhile mistakenly thinking that it is about you as the man is what makes you so keen to daydream after the breakup about "what could've gone differently". I used to anxiously think (and feel in my gut) that I can prove to myself I'm a good man by bringing her back or at least figuring out what went wrong. Truth is, nothing went wrong, the girl left but all is still well in the kingdom. The king isn't determined or diminished by it. It was not about him and thinking so is a little stupid for a man, similar to getting upset that it rained cats & dogs on the one day you'd planned to go fishing. You'd think the man would be bigger than that and not assume it's a personal insult against him by this anti-cyclone or that. You'd think he'd learn faster what his true place is, but no - the blue brainwashing reigns strong.

                [–]AaronKClark 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                Women don't give commitment, they seek commitment -Women's want of commitment is like your want of sex -Commitment is yours to give, not to chase

                So profound. I am going to get this quote framed.

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                [–]trpftw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I was also slightly misled a bit before assuming that I must completely withdraw any sort of commitment. But some women actually want a fair relationship where they get commitment and they give sex willingly. That giving the commitment itself isn't beta/blue-pill, just that you make them earn it.

                That it works just fine if you delay certain levels of commitment or not do something incredibly extravagant like as if she's that high value. That you express and sprinkle a bit of doubt in terms of how much you're willing to commit long term.

                That you do NOT let a relationship become too comfortable or "habitual". As in "oh me and her, just meet up and act like we're roommates most of the time." That it is still very sexual or attractive in general throughout the relationship.

                [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (9 children)

                Excellent post. Was hit by a shit test the other day after fucking my main plate:

                "What are your feelings on spending the rest of your life with 1 person?"

                My answer: Haven't really given it any thought.

                And this came from a main plate that I have had for over 5 years.

                Her face was one of shock, anger, and helplessness.

                But this is the chick that I found pictures of her bent over with her almost exposed ass rubbing against a guy's crotch at the club that looked like a Lil Wayne wanna-be when she went to Atlanta last summer to visit her dying grandmother that she was so broken and sad about. And the same chick that has gotten off work to go hang out with a guy "friend" from high school that was having a birthday party at 2am after she got off work one night. And the same chick that I have seen comments on her Facebook asking this same personal trainer with a magnificent beard guy "friend" if she could come over and "use his dryer" because her's is broken.

                Yeah....I think I actually have given it some thought. And the judges are in about me riding your young pussy for another couple years until you turn 30. Then, I'm gonna trade you in for a newer model.

                [–]BallisticTherapy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                "What are your feelings on spending the rest of your life with 1 person?"

                My answer: Haven't really given it any thought.

                More like "Haven't really given any for t.h.o.t.".

                Am I right, or am I right?

                [–]deviantryan 0 points1 point  (7 children)

                Maybe I misread, but wait, you know she fucks around on you, and you're keeping her around?

                [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children)

                No direct evidence that she is fucking or has fucked them. Only red flags. I was intent on doing the whole LTR with her but now she is just a main plate and I am spinning a couple more chicks on the side that she knows about. Hence the shit test. She keeps trying to get me to be exclusive but I know she can't be. She has even gone as far as showing me texts to her other "guy friends" telling them that she is in a relationship and they shouldn't call or text her any more. But it's too late for her.

                To answer your question...yes I'm keeping her around. She loves sex with me and I like sex with her. Either I am fucking her or someone else is. Might as well be me. But LTR/marriage/living together will never happen now. Some guys have a hard time keeping a chick around after they see things that I have. But I have been burned so many times in my past BP days that I have learned how to keep my "love emotions" in check. Honestly, the other day I was thinking....I wouldn't mind living with her because she is cool and fun. Then I choked my chicken and all those feelings went down the toilet with the tissue I used. haha Graphic.

                [–]juanqunt 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                I know these feels... too much real life.

                Currently I've a gf from summer vacation overseas that I still haven't broken off with yet. Currently she's still eager to skype and text me for hours everyday, because I'm mindfucking her hard, but she's hypergamous as fuck and constantly shit tests me. Even when I was with her, we broke up and got back together so many times, that I became completely desensitized... of course being a red piller from before meeting her helped a lot too. Agree and amplify is the only solution when she shit tests me about having other male friends. With her, I can override cash and status by having the body and telling her "profound spiritual knowledge", AKA weird shit people say when they are high. She perceives subconscious experiences as far more high status than being traditionally high status in the real world.

                Currently, I have a few other girls close by hitting me up, but I'm too busy to invest time in multiple girls right now. Also, this girl is still by far the most interesting girl I've met so far and it's just fun to talk to her and watch her dance around naked on skype. I'm thinking about learning hypnosis to get her to commit since she's into psychedelic and spiritual shit. Essentially, I need to become a cult leader in her eyes. She is the absolute personification of this thread. When we get high together, she would say that I am exactly what she wants for the rest of her life and that she wants to have my babies and we would be soul mates in the afterlife... but as soon as I say anything logical that she doesn't like, she would say that her soul mate is actually her ex and that we are just friends. Then I'd leave and she'd come crying asking me to take her back a few hours later. She claims that she has huge respect for logic and honor, but the fact from her behavior is that she's completely guided by emotions and only care about how she feels in the present.

                I'm still gonna see where this relationship leads, not out of some delusion that we'd be happily ever after as she claims sometimes, but that this is a great training experience. If I can handle her, I would be able to handle any girl in the future... and being a super emotional creature, I don't think she can survive being alpha widowed. If things don't work out between us, I still have arbitrage to fuck other bitches in the US, and if she marries some beta bucks in the future, she'd be able to persuade the beta that to raise my child.

                For now, I give her complete freedom. All I need to do is to mindfuck her everyday. As long as I remind myself of red pill fundamentals daily, I have the best of being single, monk mode, and being in a relationship. But if I was blue pill, I'd be completely crushed when she backs out of this long distance relationship. She constantly tell me that she broke the heart of her ex and that I won't know what love is until I experience heartbreak. Jokes on her, every time she tried to break up with me, I remained perfectly calm and left saying, "Cool, we're better off as just friends anyway." And every time she wanted me back more than ever.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                HaHa. Nice. Yeah my main plate now tries to threaten to never talk to me again when she finds condom wrappers in my nightstand from other women. She tells me "fine I'm leaving and don't even call me again".

                I just jump up and sarcastically go "no, please, don't go" over and over again in Captain Kirk's voice while I am helping her pack her shit she brought over for the night. I start putting it out my door while saying it over and over while smiling. She stops and looks at me every time and calls me a dick and starts unpacking her stuff.

                [–]juanqunt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I think being in relationships with the craziest hamsters is a good thing. It really teaches you to completely ground yourself in TRP, because you just see all the absurdity all the time and know not to take them literally or have any blue pill delusions.

                Just now, my gf skyped me and complained that my nose is too low (illusion from having a strong brow ridge). She claimed that it's because I haven't fully activated my 3rd eye for it to come out of the top of the nose yet. I laughed at how ridiculous that idea is and that her fat cheeks are far worse. I told her that if we had a son, he should look like me, because I want him to have that masculine brow ridge and chiselled jaw rather than looking like a cute little kid like her.

                She got mad at me and suggested that we should have children with other people to have perfect looking children. I laughed and said let's do that, but things would be over between us. She quickly got silent and changed the topic after that.

                [–]Danedina 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                See, this is exactly why I just go ahead and let them believe whatever they want to believe about our "exclusivity." You're honest with her about having other girlfriends, and yet you still get the crazy clinginess and all the other bullshit.

                Since none of the commitment talk means anything anyways, what difference does it make if I'm guilty of not correcting their assumptions of exclusivity? In my everyday life I'm honest to a fault (according to those who believe in Power Talk), so it's not a question of my own internal integrity. I just figure that, on the whole, I deal with less bullshit by not being upfront about having multiple sex partners.

                [–]1commentatorX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                sarcastically ... Captain Kirk's voice

                Genuinely laughed out loud. Stealing this.

                [–]shurk127 16 points17 points  (7 children)

                My ex of five years once told me when I went to visit family for Thanksgiving that she "couldn't possibly bear to be apart from me for a single night."

                Two weeks later I got a text that she was moving out "to focus on herself and try to go back to school."

                It's that immediate, gentlemen.

                BTW she was pregnant 2 months later. No school in her future. AWALT

                [–]suddenlytrp 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                Geez dude. Sometimes the comments get to me. Here's hoping you rebounded RP as fuck and made up for that?

                [–]shurk127 9 points10 points  (3 children)

                Honestly, going too RP all at once is part of what drove her away.

                I overcompensated for deficiencies I realized I'd possessed in the course of that relationship, and the obvious insecurity of the change in me was like rocket fuel for her hypergamy.

                It seems it's a common thing here that men realize the position they've put themselves in and they swing way too hard into TRP tenets right off the bat. All that at once is certain to alienate a person who's used to the milder guy they first began to date. Somewhere in the sidebar there's a post that starts with "Your LTR will end," and I think that's something a lot of guys don't necessarily realize.

                That being said, it had to happen for me to become the person I am today. I have a much more balanced perspective on what it takes to be "alpha," and what it means to be dominant but benevolent. That sort of thing only comes from experience, good or bad. It's led me to the realization that like any philosophy, TRP needs to be both taken with a grain of salt, and adjusted to the specifics of your life and your frame.

                I'm much healthier, more responsible, and more well-adjusted for having had that experience, as much as it hurt, and still hurts sometimes.

                However I've also gone from a low double-digit count to losing track somewhere in the 40's in the 1.5 years since that happened, so hey.

                [–]suddenlytrp 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                "your LTR will end"

                This hit home. I'm seeing it somewhat. Thanks for the heads up, brother. Hopefully the end or other side makes things worth it. I feel like RP is either all in or not. You can't got into a new relationship half way and expect to try to change and make it out without issue.

                I've prepared myself for the worst and put faith in the method. But I know from the action reports here this is inevitable.

                [–]shurk127 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Part of me wants to tell you to be careful and meter yourself, read MMSL and apply these things gradually to your life to save your LTR if you truly care for her.

                Another part of me wants to reiterate that my LTR ended because I finally manned up and let her know that certain behaviors of her were absolutely unacceptable; I stood up for myself and it led to our end. She was SUPER hot and had no trouble whatsoever finding the next branch to grab.

                That sucked but the man I am now would never let the relationship go on so long just taking shit from a 9 just because - there are PLENTY of 9's in the world. Change your Tinder location to the next city over and just watch what you see.

                So while it still hurts a bit - I think you'll probably find ways in which you've been stepped on, too.

                Someone who lives all of the TRP tenets to their fullest cannot remain in an LTR, because relationships at their core require compromise, and TRP at its most extreme is a wholly selfish philosophy.

                It is up to the informed individual to decide what they're willing to deal with.

                [–]suddenlytrp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Great advice, thanks for that. I was previously beta as fuck and swallowed the pill a couple of years ago. Monk mode and lots of personal changes later, I went through a few plates before landing in an LTR.

                My LTR isn't ending, but I know AWALT. I spot the shit and comfort tests that I never knew how to handle before. I've set boundaries that I would have previously rolled over and just accepted before. I try to maintain things in my frame (it's hard over a longer term.) It's hard to look at things the same once you've gotten unplugged and sit staring out at the Matrix. I appreciate the book recommendation, I have it but have been on other reading as of late. I'll skip to that one.

                [–]1Snivellious 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                This is a specific, important case of a larger idea. Promises and commitments are reflections of the speaker's current mindset. They're only as good as the speaker's chance of not changing their mind, or choosing to honor an agreement they no longer like.

                For a relationship, staying in an unhappy arrangement based on past promises isn't a good outcome, so it's even worse. All you can do is say "so she likes me now, how's that going to change?"

                And yes, getting commitment from her as a payment for your actions is like having someone pay you with cash they stole from your wallet.

                [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                Similarly, a woman's declaration of love should not be taken seriously.

                You know how sometimes a woman will say something to the effect of "please don't break up with me, I would just die" LOL two months later she'll forget you existed.

                [–]flyers156 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                It's always just a lease. Only your turn.

                [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Disclaimer: The company can terminate the lease at any time for any reason. Even while driving.

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                This is so depressing. The realities of TRP are truly so sad. I've read and learnt that a women can never love a man the same that a man will love a women. Does this bother anyone else the same it does me? You could truly be prepared to stay with a girl for life/fully commit but she'll never truly feel the same.

                [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                Sure she will. Just about as long as you hold frame. Moreover she will feel the same even more intensely than you for the moment.

                [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                Clear, concise and spot fucking on. My enthusiastic nomination for red pill theory post of the month.

                [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                More like "I want to spend the rest of my life with you...re income"

                [–]mrmeyhemn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                women are only committed to their own hypergamous nature. they are incapable of what men know as commitment/loyalty, their only loyalty is to their feeeeelingz

                [–]abetterarsonist 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                Let's see...there was my high school girlfriend (who ended up being a dyke), my marine corps fiancee (who ended up being a cheating whore), and the girl that wanted to marry me after I got out of prison (that got knocked up and married the father who is deaf, short and overweight [wtf?])...all of them pledged their lifelong love to me. Shit, one of them told me I owned her for life. And I still hadn't learned my lesson. This was years before I discovered RP, obviously.

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                  [–]abetterarsonist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  Well, actually we were already split up but were still talking to each other. She had been emailing the singer from Harvey Danger and was arranging to meet up with him for an affair. He was married at the time. So I still consider her a cheating whore just for that.

                  But yeah, girls get ridiculous attention in the military. At the time I thought of it as a pain in the ass but in retrospect it's mind-blowing.

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                    [–]abetterarsonist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Seriously! She was just a wannabe starfucker. He was the best she could get. I didn't understand it then and I just don't care anymore. She was also buddies with the Flaming Lips' fill in drummer, and I hung out on their tour bus for an evening once. I could have done a lot better than her but didn't realize it at the time.

                    [–]squidracer 7 points8 points  (10 children)

                    I was watching some show the other day with the gf,I think she turned it on.. Wags I think. Wives and gfs of sports stars.. It was pretty interesting watching these women grill, and I mean GRILL these athletes about when they were going to marry them..

                    I actually have my own plan for getting commitment from a woman. Instead of getting married, I'll just tell her I'll put her in my will and she can have everything after I die..

                    [–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (3 children)

                    Well played, I wouldn't incentivize your death to a third party though.

                    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

                    If the crime channel is anything to go by, it's a death sentence.

                    [–]squidracer -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                    Well there would be a clause about "mysterious death".. But I'm talking about cancer, heart attack,.

                    If I'm poisoned at a young age odds are it would be investigated.. Wives don't always kill their husbands, and wives even get life insurance on top of everything

                    [–]destraht 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Insurance companies definitely would push for investigation there.

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                    [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 31 points32 points  (0 children)

                    Omg, he didn't get KILLED, I mean... it just happened.

                    [–]squidracer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                    Wives get the same benefit and they rarely kill their husbands.. Death is probably still better then divorce anyway

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    Uhh then she will just kill you. Have you really thought that one through?

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    You really think people will so willingly kill?

                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Many people will kill you for $5k. Once you get into the $50K - $200K you have a target on your back. Women are primarily interested in acquiring resources. And its not as if they have serious consequences to consider for bumping you off. Worst case she claims shes a battered woman, and gets a few years in a minimum security prison with all the conjugal sex she could ever want. When she gets out shes a hero to the feminist community, with a possible book deal.

                    [–]NeoreactionSafe 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                    .

                    http://www.hulu.com/watch/841143

                    Bachelor in Paradise:

                    Kirk tells Carly he's not feeling the same feelings she is.

                    .

                    When a woman feels a commitment to a man it translates into a lot of effort through hamstering that things are perfect. Carly was deeply committed and invested into a future with Kirk.

                    Kirk had been feeding her responses the week before that he knew she wanted to hear.

                    So women actually do invest effort into men, but it's in terms of their own internal restructuring. There is never any objective investment. (notice how quickly she turned on him once she realized he was hesitating)

                    Just remember women can only be subjective. When they say anything you must translate it out of any objective world and into their subjective world.

                    Beta males do the same thing. (changing themselves to satisfy women... essentially behaving as women)

                    The rule is:

                    "Whoever changes themselves the most for the other hurts the most when the relationship breaks apart."

                    So men that hold frame as who they are become less negatively effected by a breakup.

                    .

                    [–]MattR1302 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    "Whoever changes themselves the most for the other hurts the most when the relationship breaks apart."

                    whoa. never thought of this, very true.

                    [–]Keninishna 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Ah the joys of learning the nature of women. One of my player friends would do some thing like push the girl away in that moment or belittle them. Granted he made a lot of women cry but those girls had some sort of commited love for him because he was honest to them that he would never commit to them and if they pressured him he would lie to get them to shut up, then when he went on sleeping with other women they would get hurt and upset but they would give him anything he wanted. money? a car to drive? a place to stay? sex? laundry? women are a lot like children lol.

                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I take everything I hear and add "right now" to it. It helps me keep frame.

                    "I feel we're great together"...right now

                    "I love you"...right now

                    [–]ramot1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    You are right of course. If she's with you, it means it's your turn. There is not promise of how long your turn will last, and nothing requires her to tell you that it's somebody elses' turn.

                    [–]EvolvedA 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    It might just have been a shit test too, she tried to get a "Oh honey I want to spend the rest of my life with you as well" response from you which you passed with style. No shit.

                    [–]thefisherman1961 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    When she says "I want to spend the rest of my life with you" what she really means is "for the time being, you make me feel like I want to spend the rest of my life with you."

                    [–]bonerpotpie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Spot on. When my wife told me she didn't want to be with me after a staggering 8 months of marriage, all I could think was why,why,why. This is the why I've figured out, though the OP has written it in an easy to ingest form.

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I have seen guys do this and I have done this myself. Everyone wants to be wanted and obviously it is not just for sex. People inherently want companionship.

                    [–]Im_Hitler 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    Im curious to know what your response in a situation like this would be?

                    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I had a girl text me that she loved me and wanted to get married to me and have my kids, while she was supposedly on the way to a concert with her girlfriends. Something felt off about the timing of the text (I love my sketchy behavior radar), and sure enough, it turns out that she was going to a concert with her ex-boyfriend.

                    [–]RedPharaohRising 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    That's surprisingly insightful. When you see a hot girl and gape for a few seconds, your reptile brain takes over and whispers seductively about her touch, taste and moans in bed.
                    Then she leaves your line of sight, the haze lifts and you no longer feel the need to approach and you now see her without your own fantasies on top.
                    Would you STILL fuck her? This is how women see you.

                    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                    Learned that the hard way. Forever grateful for TRP.

                    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                    Yes. We have all read the pillar of TRP Women are the gatekeepers to sex, Men are the gatekeepers to relationships and yet it takes a while to really truly fully understand it, and it's a combination of reflexion on past experiences, present experiences, and reading stories from other people in this sub.

                    Then, little by little, we "get" it.

                    And it's fun to watch. My personal favorite is when a plate wants to talk about Being exclusive, and my questions to her are always the same:

                    • Why now?

                    • Why me?

                    Because obviously we were not exclusive before.

                    [–]primaryobjective 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    I agree. Obviously, it's easy to take this statement at face value, but until you've had it happen to YOU, you really won't swallow that last part of the bitter, red pill.

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Experience is a wonderful teacher. The best!

                    [–]Stythe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I like the sex comparison you made, that was apt.

                    Yea, in the moment I need to shoot a load or else my world is going to collapse in front of me. Then afterwords, the rest of it comes into perspective. If the emotional bond for women is like sex for men, it's a good way to look at the overall picture and not just that moment when she says "forever."

                    [–]Darkuso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    That is why I love being men, we can understand shit like this, women can't. The truth is that she wasn't lying at all, she was only expressing what she feelzzz in the moment and for they that is the absolute truth. But they don't understand how volatile female feels are, they can tell you that the sky is blue now and an hour later they can truly believe that is green.

                    I've heard of things like this countless times, "I want to be always with you" or "you are the best men That i have meet" and even "I do not want to be fucked by anyone else in my life," just to see them flip their thoughts like a light switch.

                    [–]OilyB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    "When those feelings are gone, the promise no longer makes sense."

                    I know. This happened to me quite a number of times.

                    "I want to be with you forever" - "I couldn't live without you" - "I want to grow old with you" - "I don't ever want to lose you". All expressions of one intense MOMENT.

                    Just one. It subsides or completely dissipates one day. And then those words. "I... I changed my mind." Or "you're responsible for making me break my promise."

                    [–]reigorius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    "in this moment I really feel like...yaddiyaddiya"

                    [–]Buchloe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Don't let someone pay you with your coin. Perfectly said.

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I felt..... nothing and then surprise at my apathy

                    I'd probably laugh out loud in your situation.

                    [–]PachinkoSAN 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    this is like a punch to the gut and a slap to the face to wake me up. my current "girlfriend" says i love you often now. and i say it often now too. Need to understand that she only loves me right now in this current moment.

                    [–]blackberryx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    I once read a quote on here that said "she's isn't yours, it's just your turn"

                    it's fucked up but true

                    [–]Luckyluke23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Your commitment is what she is chasing, not what she's selling. Within the confines of a ltr,

                    This is amazing. I havent had many ltra in my life but ill be sure to look out for thisnin the next one im in

                    [–]BlackHeart89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Short and simple. Thats a nice post.

                    I agree. A woman saying she loves you doesn't really mean shit. They may break up with you the very next week.

                    I now few monogamist relationships as a temporary thing until someone fucks up. Maybe lasting a few months before it should inevitably end.

                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Short and sweet and to the point. Mark of a genius

                    [–]Agu001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    "A woman's words are written on ice" ------ Italian Proverb

                    [–]cesarfd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    This is not to say that everything a woman says is a lie.

                    A woman could not care less if what she says is true or not, they say what serves them best. They tell you what they need you to hear.

                    [–]prodigyx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    nothing and then surprise at my apathy

                    This is a level up. At first you are surprised that these things that would seemingly make or break you in the past are meaningless now.

                    Then you realize the amount of freedom that comes with this attitude.

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                    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Cover that in the first few lines

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