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Rant/VentingIf you treat women like men they will think you are sexist. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by BetterRedThanRed

Summary:

Women say they want to be treated equally. Do not believe this! Women are used to special treatment and they will call you misogynistic if you do not give it to them.

I will illustrate it with women in the STEM field. But this is just an example. It fits on other areas, too.


Do you remember this discussion about Tim Hunt, the "misogynist scientist”?

https://archive.is/OlK6Y (no need to read it)

One thing stared into my face:

There are numerous testimonials from women describing him [Tim Hunt] as a caring and inspirational mentor, one who never treated his female students and colleagues differently from their male peers and has aided in their advancement.

This is a mistake! Don't treat women and men the same!

I've read a lot of stories from women studying STEM. And I noticed one common theme:

  1. They often complain about a hostile environment.
  2. They never can point a finger on it. They can not mention specific incidences.

Sure, once in a while there is a cat call. Or a male co-student awkwardly asking for a date. But this was not the problem according to them. It is a dubious hostile environment. And I think I know why they feel hostility:

Imagine you are a 20yo woman and a 7/10. The world bends over backwards for you just for this already. Now add that you are also skilled in maths and physics. Your high school teacher probably tells you that you are gonna be the next Marie Curie (except for the dying part). And now you enter a STEM course. Boom! New world! You enter a room full of men. Normally, in such situations, everyone would greet you... "Hey! Nice that you are here!" "Yeah, come over here..." You know, your male orbiters you usually have as an over average 20yo woman. Even if you do not want to fuck them, you enjoy having orbiters. But a room full of male STEM students? Silence! Maybe the guy you sit down next to says "hi" to you. But I never witnessed a girl getting just one compliment in a STEM course for her looks. Never! May it be because they do not view STEM classes as a good place to get a girl. May it be because they are stereotypical nerds. May it be because they have already a girlfriend. May it be because they are being told not to "harass" those poor STEM women in STEM classes. Oh... and of course your are not anymore the next Marie Curie, but just another student with average skills.

Get this: From a beloved princess who is a genius according to her high school teacher to just another student struggling with classes. From the life of a 20yo woman to a life of a 20yo man. This is not what any woman wants. This is the problem with STEM. Women are treated like men there. Being treated like a men feels hostile to women. And it is. Welcome in the life of a man...

Back to Tim Hunt. His problematic quote was: “Let me tell you about the trouble with girls. You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and when you criticize them, they cry!”

He is an idiot for saying this, because he should know what would happen if you say something like this today. But if a woman said something like this about men in a joking manner ("they fall in love with you, you fall in love with them, and if you reject them they are broken" - I changed it a little because crying just does not fit to men, nobody would say it that way), nobody would have cared. Thing is: You can't treat women like men. Women want special treatment. Women expect special treatment. Women get special treatment from society. And if you do not join (or pretend to join), you might get in trouble. Hell, there are even situations in which it is impolite if you as a man do not compliment a woman's look.


Lesson to be learned:

Women do not want to be treated like men. Even if they say so.


[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 299 points300 points  (20 children)

If you treat women like men they will think you are sexist.

When you are used to special treatment, equal treatment feels like discrimination.

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      [–]anecdotal 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      He doesn't exist because he's off the Democrat plantation. They hate when black people escape.

      [–]I3lizzard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Nobody faces more opposition in the media than black conservatives. Nobody.

      [–]Venkas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I've never heard of him ever. It is mostly non black authors being shoved in my face so forgive me. I'll gladly be the 1% and check him out.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I couldn't remember who said it, but Thomas Sowell makes perfect sense.

      /Hat Tip

      [–]-Quotidian 33 points34 points  (4 children)

      Saw a stupid chart about how arguments work in a relationship. I say stupid, but it was actually accurate for betas. It goes like this:

      "Man fucks up. Woman gets mad. Man apologizes.

      Woman fucks up. Man gets mad. Woman gets mad. Man apologizes."

      Fuck that shit. Bill Burr had a great segment on men who sleep on their couches when their SO is butthurt about something. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend you look it up.

      [–]Lhtfoot 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I love Bill Burr... Anyone got the link for the video he's talking about?

      [–]SirSaltySailor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I'm late, but it's on netflix. It's black and white and he has very little hair if that narrows your search.

      [–]Modredpillschool 12 points13 points  (6 children)

      I'm not sure if it's actually a Socrates quote, but:

      "Once made equal to man, woman becomes his superior."

      [–]real-boethius 13 points14 points  (4 children)

      Socrates: "Many of the quotes attributed to me on the Internet are not actually of me".

      [–]Modredpillschool 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      It seems like an unlikely socrates quote, but it is a good quote nevertheless.

      [–]DevilishRogue 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      "It seems like an unlikely socrates quote, but it is a good quote nevertheless."

      -- Abraham Lincoln.

      [–]Modredpillschool 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Doxxing is strictly against the rules.

      [–]Redasshole 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Yes, it was Socrates who said it.

      [–]-Quotidian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I heard a story recently about ancient Greece where the prostitutes all got together and broke the schlong off of every statue in the city. The men saw this, were offended at the implications--that their enemy could show up whenever, emasculate their artwork, imply that they were impotent, etc--and tried to figure out who to go to war with. It never even occurred to them that women had done it out of penis envy, and so a war was almost started.

      Couldn't find it on Google myself, but somehow I can easily believe that this happened. It sounds like the kind of shit that happened in Ancient Greece.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I love this quote. I read it a while back and it's still the most relevant and accurate quote by far.

      [–]DanielSade 99 points100 points  (3 children)

      There are actual studies about this. Men who treat women like they treat men are seen as sexist by both men and women.

      https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/handle/10012/6958/Yeung_Amy.pdf?sequence=1

      [–]BetterRedThanRed[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      Psychology is still so much better than gender studies. Psychology still requires actual research. It is an actual science. Of course you can get the political message you want be only researching in one direction. But at least it is actual research.

      Gender studies however is just cross-referencing to another feminist opinion piece. "STEM fields are sexist. Look at this other feminist who said so." - peer reviewed and approved by other feminists.

      Gender studies is kinda like theology. Sure, you can study it in universities. But you should know that you do not learn science. You learn what religious people belief. You always have to add "...according to Judaism and Christianity." or "...according to third wave feminists" to everything you learn.

      [–]politisch_inkorrekt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      When i started studying psychology, i thought the gender studies part (only one course) would be about differences and similarities between gender. Maybe as in medicine, where the two sexes can react different to medication because of hormones and stuff. Nope, was mostly about how women are sexualized in advertising. I thought it was funny to say the women are the people who look bad, because I would be the guy who only buys some shit because he is horny (who is the fucked gender?). Now... as you said, there are parts of psychology where actual research is required. But research is still often bad and biased. My prof is very good at his job (developing tests), but he cannot work against PC. He, and partly I, developed admission tests for university and they were supposed not to differentiate between gender. So if women on average had worse scores than men, the test had to be changed. At that point I asked myself, what the test actually measures and how it should predict success at universities.

      [–]2popthatpill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      "There is also evidence that exposure to BS leads to increased support for the status quo" is my favourite line from the thesis.

      [–]Drmadanthonywayne 68 points69 points  (13 children)

      Good post. Before ever hearing of the Red Pill I'd noticed that many post wall females (especially the ones who used to be hot) are complete bitches. I'd even come up with essentially the same theory you did to explain the phenomenon.

      A young hot chick is treated like a princess pretty much all the time. This seems normal to her. Her whole life everyone worshiped the ground she walked on until she started getting older and less hot.

      Gradually, people started treating her less like a hot chick and more like a normal person until she is eventually treated just like the rest of us.

      To her, it seems like people are just getting ruder and ruder. She begins to reciprocate and so we have the transformation from hot chick to old battle ax.

      [–]RobertCarraway 35 points36 points  (0 children)

      That the old "battle ax" is generally treated like a man to the degree that she understands and can participate in things like banter, reciprocity in friendship, intelligent conversation, etc.

      She enters the world where she needs to add value to other people's lives to be valuable. Welcome to the life of a man.

      Since most of these women don't have a mindset that makes them interesting or useful as friends from the male perspective, we treat her like a rather uninteresting man. And any uninteresting man can tell you that life is rather monochromatic.

      I have seen this play out in my own friendships with females. The ones who I am un-attracted to but who make good friends, I treat them like men that I respect. The ones who I am un-attracted to, but who don't make good friends, I treat like every other asswipe male in the world. I ignore them and hope they go away.

      [–]KHJohan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      And then they start to complain

      "Where have all the good men gone?"

      "People are soo egocentric these days"

      "People don't have any manners anymore! "

      [–]grewapair 14 points15 points  (7 children)

      To her, it seems like people are just getting ruder and ruder. She begins to reciprocate and so we have the transformation from hot chick to old battle ax.

      True, but whose fault is that. Hers, or the thousands of men who treated her like a princess when she was hot. The whole thing is our fault, her attitudes are the natural result of what WE did. Stop doing it and the problem goes away.

      [–]1Zackcid 12 points13 points  (6 children)

      The whole thing is our fault, her attitudes are the natural result of what WE did. Stop doing it and the problem goes away.

      It's never gonna stop though. This is the market we live in. Whichever sex evolved to be the baby-maker automatically and intrinsically gains tremendous value.

      There will always be a high demand for vagina. Always. Well, as long as males remain programmed to continue their genetic lineage, there will never truly be a movement of absolute celibacy where guys don't really want anything from women and start treating them "equally".

      [–]grewapair 0 points1 point  (5 children)

      Wrong! Lots of cultures, such as Arabs and India, never treat a woman like a princess. The men beta shame men the way women slut shame other women.

      When we start beta shaming, it will be greatly reduced.

      [–]tuxedoburrito 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Could you give an example of this in their culture?

      [–]BetterRedThanRed[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Because India is still poor as fuck. Having to work as an average man in these countries sucks.

      Or course women there do not live as comfortable as in the west. But their men live even worse. Wait until they get better working conditions in these countries. Wait until being out earning money is not seen as a duty but as a privilege. And then you will get huge feminist movements. And men being men, they will do what ever it takes to make the baby makers happy. Just right now, most Indian women would not be happy to do the man's job.

      [–]HappyNacho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      [–]bluedrygrass -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Also his point is wrong because many women are sterile or borderline infertile, or generally unfit to be decent mothers. Men who knows those conditions still lick where those useless females walk.

      [–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I was wondering why most old women are generally unpleasant to be around, contrarily to old men. That must be one of the reasons.

      [–]OlanValesco -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Edit: I replied to the wrong thread so I deleted the irrelevant comment.

      [–]RPSigmaStigma 68 points69 points  (26 children)

      Equality for women is treating everyone the way women treat each other. Solipsism automatically rules out the possibility that there's even an alternative because there is no male experience. Anything that deviates from the female experience is wrong and invalid.

      [–]evileddy 41 points42 points  (24 children)

      This is true.. .anytime I bring up something that men suffer through... women laugh.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 46 points47 points  (12 children)

      anytime I bring up something that men suffer through... women laugh.

      How dare you steal their victim status from them! That makes them feel bad... so you are attacking them, so they attack back.

      [–]through_a_ways 8 points9 points  (11 children)

      How dare you steal their victim status from them! That makes them feel bad

      That's not the only reason.

      Men are uglier than women, so people feel less sympathy toward them.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 12 points13 points  (7 children)

      Men are uglier than women, so people feel less sympathy toward them.

      It's not about the attractiveness of the gender, it's about how they are perceived by the other (and their own) gender.

      Men are not objectively ugly, nor are women inherently attractive.

      That female attractiveness is valued more highly and seen as "better" than male attractiveness is symptomatic of the feminism-failed-shit-test that men have fallen for and women have gleefully bought into. It has nothing to do with attractiveness, it has everything to do with value and power.

      [–]through_a_ways 29 points30 points  (0 children)

      Men are not objectively ugly, nor are women inherently attractive.

      I should have used more specific terminology.

      Women are more physically neotenous than men. They have rounder faces, lighter pigmentation, flatter foreheads, etc. We instinctively feel protective of things with neotenous physical features; women, puppies, kittens, children, etc.

      Nobody really thinks twice about eating chicken, but they'll lose their shit at killing baby chicks.

      That female attractiveness is valued more highly and seen as "better" than male attractiveness is symptomatic of the feminism-failed-shit-test that men have fallen for and women have gleefully bought into.

      Your reasoning is backwards. Female attractiveness isn't more highly valued because of feminism. Feminism exists because female attractiveness has always been more highly valued.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

      yeah, but you can never win, can you. In college, if I was friendlly to women - regardless of their looks - I would either be ignored or I'd be told that I was hitting on them, and for me to stop. I was only saying good afternoon.

      But if I didn't talk much and iif I treated them like I treated the guys, the women would call me arrogant, gay, or whatever else.

      Its like, if I approach women, they get mad. But if I don't approach anyone, if I don't glance at them, if I don't notice them they get mad. it makes no sense to me.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      it makes no sense to me.

      By complaining about it, they get a double dose of attention. First the attention itself, then they relive it and get sympathy as well.

      If you're hot, they like being chatted up and won't call you on it. If you're not hot (in their eyes), they feel scared and tell you to not chat them up even if you're not.

      If has everything to do with them and nothing to do with you (solipsism). But that doesn't help you much. Increase your SMV, lift, do everything you can to be more attractive to them before you start talking (or after, in the case of voice training).

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Yeah, they're all crazy. I remember going to my college's cantina to grab lunch, and this girl walks by me, sees me looking at the menu which was to other side of where she was, but for some reason she thought I was looking at her and she rolled her eyes at me and looked pissed.

      Another time I was walking down the stairs looking at my phone and this other girl was smiling thinking I looked at her, which I didn't. Women scare me, man. Its like they live imaginary lives and we can either be heroes or villains to them depending on how they feel at the moment, and we get screwed over.

      It wasn't just those times in college. Stuff like this happens all the time. Like crossing the steet and some chick thinking I was chasing her for 20 blocks or something while the truth is that I am not even paying attention to her. I don't thnik women and men were made to interact, daily.

      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      What you're experiencing is spoiled women, taught they can do anything, everything they feel is somehow deeply correct, and that they can do what they want. Not only can they do what they want, but everything they do is also deeply correct. Not only that, but everything a man does is wrong by definition.

      Given this background, they do what they can to maximise their social status and their feelz.

      You're right to be wary - but also learn your own power. Learn your own value. Learn how to handle this shit (while staying wary). I'd like to tell you that they grow up as you get older, but generally they just get bitter and mental. If you have high enough SMV though, you can have semi-workable arrangements with pleasant enough women. For a while. Always cover your ass.

      [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      the only thing worse than 'beta' attention is not getting attention at all.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yeah, and women feel like they are entitled to attention, even when they are nothing special to look at, but if you are not a 10/10 guy and you show interest on a woman - look out!

      [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (8 children)

      Tell me about it. I was harassed these past 2 days by a woman on the purple pill debate who kept insulting me and attacking me for no reason. She lacked any sort of compassion, making fun of me for being short, and for being disabled, saying I had no worth, that I was not a human being, that society saw no utility in me and that if she saw me I wouldn't register on her radar.

      Then she began to taunt me, calling me tiny, weak, incapable of protecting women, of being useful to women, and that her husband is 5'10'' and is a sexy af engineer and that she's a yoga instructor who is also a PHD candidate. What I find hilarious is that she would never tell me this face to face without her ''husband'' or beta orbiters around, which goes to show that even as a disabled man I am superior to her and she's mad for it.

      I wasn't even insulting anyone. I was just telling about my experiences as a friend of chad and as an omega male and she went completely off at me making fun and being a complete sociopath, and funny thing is that no one called her on it, and the moderators did nothing about it.

      I also wasn't aware that a dentist has no value to society. I sure hope the next time she needs to go to the dentist the dude will deny her service because she's too ugly or too brunette or too fat.

      Women have absolutely no capacity to have feelings, only sexual desires, and that is for chads. We could literally all die tomorrow and women would only notice it when it was time to receive alimony and child-support,

      [–]easterneur 1 point2 points  (7 children)

      I also wasn't aware that a dentist has no value to society.

      You are a dentist? Stop complaining then, you have a good profession. Also don't know what disability you have, but if you can work as a dentist despite that it shouldn't be a serious limitation.

      Women have absolutely no capacity to have feelings, only sexual desires, and that is for chads.

      I've read this here so many times. Anger phase bullshit. Yes women are capable to be mean, very mean, more so than men because they have better inherent social skills and so they are also better at hurting others with words, true (men tend to go phyisical if there is a serious conflict, women don't go in fist fights they hurl insults). Women aren't little angels, they aren't better people than men, that's true. Personally I don't think they are inherently solipsistic than men though, society made many of them that imho. Don't allow yourself overly affected by person trolling you on the internet with insults, yes, women are more persistent if they want to destroy somebody with words over the internet too. Obviously you said something that made her do it unconsciously. Or she just indentified you as a weak man, and that made her rip into you, women contempt weak men, so don't appear weak to them. In a case like this just ignore them, totally. That's the worst for them, no drama, no butthurt answers allowing for more insults...

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

      Being a dentist means that I am beta bux. I have co-workers, their wives, and my female friends(do not want to bang them, they are more or less clients) are always trying to set me up with post-wall women who are suffering from baby rabies, or they tr to set me up with single mothers.

      Which is to say that they want me to invest on them, and even then there is no guarantee they are going to put out for them. Also, with how the laws are so draconian for men, I don't want to end up like paying child-support for kids who aren't mine just because society takes the interest of the children first, and the kid might have taken to me as his new daddy just because he saw me 3 times in one month.

      I have a sunken chest. Meaning that I can't lift. I am not overweight, and I'm certainly not ugly, but a sunken chest is an ugly chest, and I'm only 5'6'' in stature.

      Yeah, thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. I am not phased about it. I've been called a midget by 6'6'' men and I laughed it off or fight them for it, so what a random woman on the internet thinks o me doesn't matter.

      I'm used to entitled women who think they look like Angelina Jolie and treat me like trash just because I exist. I wasn't even looking at them or hitting on them.

      What disturbs me is how women can go and treat a guy who is down in his luck, or not phyiscally perfect as if he's some sort of beggar with leprosy from medieval times. Do women treat sick women like this, or they only hate weak men?

      I mean, some of the stuff she said. When women don't suffer consequences from being honest, they sure are incredibly brutal and evil.

      [–]heyangelyouthesexy 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      from one dentist to another, the moment you became one, you proved yourself better than her.

      Be proud of your profession mate, girls don't matter.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Fist bump bro. We keep them white sparkles spark.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Ours is a BB profession by default, so I play the Alpha card more to be the playful asshole. It's like patient relations: you want to simultaneously project confidence and caring. I have plenty of confidence, so I focus on projecting caring to cover both traits.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      always trying to set me up with post-wall women who are suffering from baby rabies

      What's the problem? Fuck em with a condom. Hold out the carrot of commitment and take their carrot of pussy while holding on to yours.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      But they won't put out. They want me to spend money on them and to give them attention and validation. Why would I spend money on post-wall women?

      [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You shouldn't. This is very basic stuff that a lot of the High School guys understand. Don't spend money on dates. If they want you to be their Beta then neeeexxxxt.

      But why not take up the challenge if you don't have anything better to do than cry where are all the good women? Women will only file you in the BB column IF YOU LET THEM.

      So go on a date for ice cream and a walk in park. If the post wall demands money spent you end the date and walk away. If she follows/calls you/pursues you then you practically have her panties off. If she doesn't follow you it is all good...neeext.

      [–]Lt_Muffintoes 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      Consider it a shit test. A woman who has so little empathy that she laughs at that is not suitable for an LTR, regardless of how big her duds are, or how nice she seems.

      [–]evileddy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      I actually started using this as my own shit test.... to see how they handle information about men's struggles.

      I don't mean I'm all MRA and ANTI-FEMINIST during the conversation.. I just casually bring up something men have to struggle with and see how they react.

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      [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 16 points17 points  (1 child)

      The problem is that men are expected to listen to whatever women say, otherwise we're sexist and misogynistic for not listening to their victim-laden drivel about made-up discrimination.

      [–]CreateTheFuture 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Don't listen to it.

      Problem solved.

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      [–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 103 points104 points  (15 children)

      Plot Twist women are incapable of complex thought. Give them tingles and women will love you reguardless of what you do or say. Example: Chris Brown.

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        [–]deepfriedcocaine 38 points39 points  (3 children)

        Or a lack thereof. Reminds me of an argument I've made on reddit a few times. In one case, some guy was complaining on his sister's behalf because she said (and this is exactly what she called it) STEM classes were "boys clubs."

        I said something alone the lines of, "Good for her. I go to a predominately female school, I'm majoring in a predominantly female field, and my PR classes are well over 90 percent female, but I don't let the sex of my classmates determine my studies either. That would be extremely childish."

        Naturally, plebbitors downvoted me and didn't offer any insightful responses, probably because they know as well as I do that if I called communication studies a "girls club" then I'd immediately be labeled as a sexist.

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        These fuckheads lack of logic makes me so damn mad.

        [–]-Quotidian 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        You get used to it. There was an episode of South Park where Stan realized that everything was targeted towards audiences, and that nothing was actually creative or original. "Everything is shit." If you can't make someone else's fucktardedness work for you, learn how to keep it from fucking with you.

        [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        Complex thought is more of an abstract concept to women. Like a foreign language, or a cat watching TV. They can do it, but whats the point really.

        [–]1aguy01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        They are capable of emulating the thinking processes that men reveal to them, but they are far less capable of abstracting their own logic, like all the great philosophers and inventors did.

        [–]BetterRedThanRed[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Yes. If a sexy man would have said the same Tim Hunt said, they would not care, too.

        He said "...they fall in love with you..." and your average woman automatically assume he talks about himself. This is projecting. If a woman says "men always cat call you" she means "men always cat call me. me me me me.". So she assumes Tim Hunt also meant "women always fall in love with me me me me". Or even worse, they assume it is also about them and so what they hear is: "You would fall in love with me."

        And look at him: http://www.iflscience.com/sites/www.iflscience.com/files/blog/%5Bnid%5D/sexist.jpg

        Somehow women are insulted if a less attractive man thinks he had a chance with them. If George Clooney would have said the same thing, they would LOVE this quote.

        Oh, he is so nice for caring about the feelings of the women he rejected... He really would love to make all women happy. Sadly, he can marry just one woman. If he knew me, it would probably be me, though. Hihi...

        [–]1Claude_Reborn 15 points16 points  (6 children)

        STEM Student here (Electrical Eng, Going into Nuclear Eng)

        Yeah we have one female in our course, and she is a 5 at best and is also dating someone.

        She just gets treated like "one of the boys" and she is fine with that probably because she isn't white and comes from the Philippines. We have one other woman in some of our classes who is doing Mech Eng part time. She is a country girl and older, so she is again "one of the boys" and doesn't have any sense of entitlement.

        Yes, we don't give female STEM people any sort of special treatment for the following reasons.

        1. We have too much of our own work to do, so we aren't going to do the work of a princess too.
        2. If you want to make it in Engineering you HAVE to know the stuff. I am just as hard with my fellow male classmates if they ask for help. I'll show them how they can solve a problem, I won't do it for them. Women are used to having problems solved for them.
        3. I'm already married and while her boobs are nice, I'm not so thirsty that they are going to have any power over me.

        Most of the guys in my course already have gf's or are already married. Contrary to the media image, most engineers aren't socially clueless losers, we have a few of those type of guys in our course but they are falling behind in the work and won't last the distance. You HAVE to have social skills in Engineering these days because part of engineering is being able to work in a team.

        I think STEM gets Feminists so worked up with hate, because it is a field where feelings doing matter a damn. You can FEEL like your turbine design is awesome but it can be PROVEN to be crap through objective measurement. Engineering is full of things like that where anything you do is going to be reviewed and put under a microscope and you will ALWAYS get feedback if you fuck up. Usually polite, but not always..

        STEM fields are all like that, where your feelings don't matter, only what you can achieve and prove. This is the antithesis of 90% of women, who for most of their life managed to gain their status by their looks, and not their achievements. Anything they DID achieve is blown massively out of proportion because they are surrounded by guys who will tell them they are special, because they wish to insert their penis into them.

        [–]through_a_ways 10 points11 points  (2 children)

        they are surrounded by guys who will tell them they are special, because they wish to insert their penis into them.

        Incorrect reasoning.

        Guys overinflate praise for women because women are physically neotenous.

        Children are the standard by which neoteny is defined, and adults do to children exactly what men do to women. Yet, adults don't want to fuck children (most of them, anyway)

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yet, adults don't want to fuck children

        And that's because of different protocols in the neocortex

        [–]BetterRedThanRed[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Contrary to the media image, most engineers aren't socially clueless losers

        That is not just a stereotype about STEM. This is a general trope in many romantic comedies:

        Tall man with good carrier and even over average looking. Can not get a date. Is awkward, but in a cute way. And of course he does not realize that he just has to get rid of his ugly glasses to be a 10/10.

        Target of such movies are women. It feels good to them if you tell them that there are thousands of those men just waiting for a woman to buy them new glasses and then marry them.

        [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        I'll show them how they can solve a problem, I won't do it for them.

        This is how i deal with women at the workplace:

        • If they have a problem for the first time, i might do it.

        • But if they return with the same problem for the second time, expect me to do it again, i just show them how to do it, and let them struggle for hours.

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 18 points19 points  (0 children)

        I'm involved with a predominantly male space. We get regular complaints from women about feeling intimidated, with of course absolutely no specific complaints at all.

        From a relatively sane woman, it was explained to me thus: "Of course it's intimidating... there's all these people around who are really really good at stuff and know so much".

        In other words: the OP makes some really great points about today's victim-at-any-cost female mindset.

        [–]MrRexels 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        When people push towards equality it can only imply 3 things:

        -Treating everyone like they are men (In which case men set the standard)

        -Treating everyone like they are women (Women are the standard)

        -Or treating everyone based on some arbitrary standard in middle of both genders (which is impossible because of the innate differences between them)

        In the first case, it's unfair to women because it demands more from them that they can give. Men are subjected to higher standards, so it forces women to give up their femininity to fit in, and even then, the will never achieve the same level of behaviour that men have. I.E: STEM courses.

        In the second case, it's unfair to men, because it puts a limit/a cap to how they can behave. It restricts their ability to compete and better themselves because the standard is bellow them, so they are forced to fit into mediocrity. I.E: High school.

        The third case, like I said, it's unrealistic since people would just choose whichever standard fits them better at the moment. A man it's too much of a pussy to ask a girl out? ''Oh it's 2015, she should take the initiative''. A woman won't assume responsability for being a whore? ''Oh he forced me to fuck him''.

        The best alternative of course, it's having a double standard. Demand men to be men, and women to be women. But as most of you might imagine, just the phrase ''double standard'' it's already blasphemy from the Unholy Church of Progressiveness, so it's out of the window.

        [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children)

        Taking a summer sociology course (one of the biggest jokes of a field) and there is a girl in my class who goes to an engineering/science school where women are 27% of the population. She mentioned that the school was considering lowering it's admissions standards for women only, to try and close the gap. She then went on to say she "feels" like she has to work twice as hard because she's a girl, and is held to a higher standard because sexism.

        [–]1Claude_Reborn 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        say she "feels" like she has to work twice

        Or she just sucks at maths and logical thinking.

        Once you get your head around Maths, and get really good at it, Engineering courses are reasonably easy.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Exactly. OP's post pretty much outlines the real source of her feelings. Also, having spent a year at a STEM college that was 75% men myself, I know for a fact she gets mountains of high smv guys pursuing her every day, even though she's a 4 at best. She has that same facial expression the girls at my college had; one of almost irritated boredom.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Wow...how is that not completely against title 9?

        [–]1Claude_Reborn 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Because Title IX is for the benefit of women. Don't EVER expect it to be used to help men.

        [–]M3_Drifter 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        I experienced this, in a way.

        I coasted through primary and secondary school, getting decent grades with little work.

        Arriving in STEM college, I was suddenly average - with a shitty work ethic. Let me tell you, it sucked balls.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Same here. I studied in a good school, went through it always standing among the top 3 of my classes. When I arrived to college (Computer Science degree, but also interacted with students from other STEM courses on a regular basis), not only I became average, but also had to deal with intelligent, but overly snob students who only gave their time of the day to people they perceived as equals or superior to them. A senior of mine (who is pretty much a genius) only started to talk to me and treat me as a fellow person when he found out I liked and played one of his favorite videogame franchises.

        [–]1Claude_Reborn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Arriving in STEM college, I was suddenly average - with a shitty work ethic. Let me tell you, it sucked balls.

        Oh yeah... I had that too. Only thing you can do is learn a work ethic and "get gud!"

        Khan Academy has been a fucking godsend for me, every night is an hours math practice, sometimes 2.

        [–]NineInchPitchfork 25 points26 points  (14 children)

        I have never treated men and women as the same because they are not. The key is to accommodate rather than give either preferential treatment.

        I think some allowance should be made for the female minority in a STEM class just as there should be some for a male minority in an English literature class. I speak from personal experience as I once took an advanced lit class where I was the only guy in a class of 20 women. Book selection, topics for assignments and discussion always were from female perspective. I begged for one the Bronte sisters books to be dropped so we could do *The Sun Also Rises but got nowhere on that. I switched to a Greek literature class instead and read Aristophanes, Sophocles and Herodotus instead.

        *aside: I ended up banging a chick from that goup who thought "my perspective was missed" when I dropped that class. It all kinda worked out.

        [–]BetterRedThanRed[S] 19 points20 points  (7 children)

        . I speak from personal experience as I once took an advanced lit class where I was the only guy in a class of 20 women. Book selection, topics for assignments and discussion always were from female perspective.

        Well, I hope that feminists won't ask for quantum mechanics from a female perspective. But I would not be too surprised if they did.

        [–]jdgalt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I always wondered if that was the motivation behind The Tao of Physics and its sequels.

        [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        They were the ones that came up with Schrödinger's rapist.

        [–]1Claude_Reborn 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        Well, I hope that feminists won't ask for quantum mechanics from a female perspective.

        They have tried. You have had crazy feminists calling E=MC2 a "gendered equation" and crazy feminists calling out the fact that a lot of big fluid dynamics problems haven't been solved "sexist" (because fluids = female, obviously)

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        I begged for one the Bronte sisters books to be dropped ... but got nowhere on that.

        It sounds like your experience is that a male perspective was not accommodated.

        [–]NineInchPitchfork 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Nope. The pro(f)essor seemed to resent me and/or my views. Her intransigence (good english lit word) swung a few of the girls in the class over to my side including my future fwb.

        [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

        You signed up for a women's lit class and were shocked when they didn't adjust the syllabus to suit the fee-fees of one student in the room?

        Colour me surprised

        [–]NineInchPitchfork 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        It was not described or titled as women's lit. It was called the rise of the English Gothic novel or something like that.

        The prof had cherry picked female authors ostensibly to appeal to the predominant majority in her class. In reality she was just an incel rad fem who may have been misandrist as well. She was nice enough to me the first day when she thought I was pure beta but on the second or third class I was late due to a conflict with team practice. Upon finding out I was an (rapist) athlete she pretty much hated me from that point forward. I transferred soon thereafter.

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        I hate when they find out I am a rapist.

        [–]1RPAlternate42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Once you are found out... all your non-rape activities are ruined.

        Strangely enough, identifying all men as "rapists" hasn't really done anything to curb rape.

        [–]RedPillScare 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        “When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination." -- Thomas Sowell

        [–][deleted] 173 points174 points  (88 children)

        He is an idiot for saying this, because he should know what would happen if you say something like this today. But if a woman said something like this about men in a joking manner ("they fall in love with you, you fall in love with them, and if you reject them they are broken" - I changed it a little because crying just does not fit to men, nobody would say it that way), nobody would have cared

        There's something IDK if a lot of people aren't realizing or what

        Women have nothing to do usually. A guy will have a lot more hobbies, whether video games, the gym, pro sports teams, programming, whatever. They spend some of their spare time doing these things.

        Women usually have fewer hobbies, excluding watching all of Orange Is The New Black in one day. Especially the ones who are doing all this crying, they have nothing to do.

        It's a lot like homosexuals, their entire identity is wrapped up in what they "are". Everything to a homo revolves around the fact they are a homo. Everything to a feminist revolves around the fact they are a woman. Everything to most minorities, those that have minority crybaby syndrome, revolves around the fact they are minorities.

        If someone on the street bumps in to us and tells us to fuck off, it's whatever. A guy bumped in to us, big deal. To a homo, it's fag bashing. To a feminist, it's patriarchy oppressing her. To a minority, it's racism. Their minds are so absorbed into what they want to believe that their entire world view is corrupted and they spend a lot of their free time crying about shit like this.

        So they have time to tweet, retweet, blog, etc about a scientist landing a thing on a comet but wore a shirt with cartoon girls on it. Or they have time to crucify this betabitch feminist Hunt. Or they have time to sign change-org petitions about getting GTA5 banned in australia because it "encourages violence towards women"

        They have time to do this shit. The sad part is that in today's retarded society, this is what actually gets things done. The more you cry, the more you accomplish.

        You can spend your time trying to counteract their crying by crying yourself, or you can spend your time bettering yourself and getting way ahead so that little shit like this doesn't affect you. On one hand, you may be one out of many people who try to balance 'equality' a little bit, maybe. On the other hand, you've done well for yourself and have an awesome life and don't have to deal with the overweight scum that are doing all the crying.

        I chose the latter

        [–]Alarid 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        "It's who you is, not what you are"

        Too many value inherent qualities (gender, age, sex) instead of the content of character.

        [–]JablesRadio 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Your comparison to the gay movement of late is actually pretty spot on. You would be hard pressed to find such an opinion on reddit but there have been more than a few gay people with some spotlight that have openly said they don't like this new "normal" because being gay WAS their identity; their way of being different. Once it becomes accepted as the everyday norm, there goes a lot of people's individuality.

        [–]newls 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        If someone on the street bumps in to us and tells us to fuck off, it's whatever. A guy bumped in to us, big deal. To a homo, it's fag bashing. To a feminist, it's patriarchy oppressing her. To a minority, it's racism. Their minds are so absorbed into what they want to believe that their entire world view is corrupted and they spend a lot of their free time crying about shit like this.

        This is a huge factor in the difference between men and women. It relates to this notion of "If you're used to preferential treatment, equality feels like discrimination", and connects deeper to the whole fundamental difference in attitude.

        It's the ability To Not Take Things Personally that helps us develop into stronger men. I believe that women absolutely lack this and never fully develop it or even understand the concept.

        [–]Cartesian_Duelist 27 points28 points  (2 children)

        It's a lot like homosexuals, their entire identity is wrapped up in what they "are". Everything to a homo revolves around the fact they are a homo. Everything to a feminist revolves around the fact they are a woman. Everything to most minorities, those that have minority crybaby syndrome, revolves around the fact they are minorities.

        No, they really aren't. "Gay culture" is comprised of an astonishingly low number of gay men. Most gay men are 'gay bros': they are dude who are attracted to men, not asexual lesbian.

        And before you NAWALT parallel me, no, it is not the same thing.

        [–]tuxedoburrito 16 points17 points  (0 children)

        I have a handful of gay men friends that I honestly thought were straight for the longest time. I have a few gay friends who it was very apparent they played for the other team.

        The way I kinda put it is this, I don't give a hoot who you kiss. A dude, a girl, i don't care. But act like a man and not a woman.

        [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (19 children)

        deleted What is this?

        [–]JablesRadio 13 points14 points  (9 children)

        Using one instance to negate a topic of which hundreds of thousands of people are involved. Yes, that is SJW logic to a tee.

        [–]tuxedoburrito 1 point2 points  (6 children)

        Your cousin is the exception, not the majority.

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

        You don't really know that, nor can prove it

        [–]tuxedoburrito 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Well considering one of my siblings is gay, I grew up around the gay community, I have strong friendships with gay and lesbian people. It seems to be the way it is. Generalization, not every single case. But majority of them

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I stand by my philosophy that low-sample stereotypical thinking is for people who can't think for themselves, and instead just adopt random opinions of other people

        This isn't about the fact that generalizations can be useful, at least in science, but how they are erroneous and inaccurate most of the time.

        [–]tuxedoburrito 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Could you please give an example of how you mean they are inaccurate most of the time?

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Using no examples to stereotype an entire group of people? Listen and believe.

        [–]Sarah_Connor_Is_Fab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Exactly what I was thinking. Just because 'not all of them' are like this, doesn't mean that the majority isn't.

        [–]RPSigmaStigma 20 points21 points  (8 children)

        Yes, you do sound like an SJW. "Not all women are like that, because I know this one woman who..." You're missing the point. Your one anecdote does not negate the generalization. I too know an older gay gentleman who I work with who definitely does not base his entire identity in being gay, but does openly agree that a lot of gay men do, as has been my experience as well.

        [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

        I've never met a gay guy like that. Pretty sure it's a vocal minority.

        [–]RPSigmaStigma 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        [–]tuxedoburrito 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Yep. Ever notice how gay men typically date people who they look like?

        [–]miserybollocks -1 points0 points  (2 children)

        Generlizations are stupid though, they are often inaccurate. The idea that gay men spend all their time being gay and nothing else is a pretty poor generalization aswell.

        [–]RPSigmaStigma 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Generlizations are stupid

        That's a generalization.

        they are often inaccurate.

        oh, another generalization

        Seriously, generalizations are "a foundational element of logic and human reasoning." Without generalizations we could never know anything.

        The idea that gay men spend all their time being gay and nothing else is a pretty poor generalization aswell.

        That's not what I said. I said they tend to make it a pretty big part of their identity. Most gay men I know go way out of their way to find excuses to mention that they're gay, even if everyone around already knows it. It's like that guy who always finds excuses to mention that he doesn't own a TV.

        [–]1RPAlternate42 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        gay men spend all their time being gay and nothing else is a pretty poor generalization

        "Straight men spend all their time being straight and nothing else is a pretty poor generalization."

        This isn't working.

        [–]F-W-Mueller -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I know a couple of gay men in german fraternities that are still fencing. Cool bros.

        Actually I only know girl gays from TV, all I met in person are quite normal men that have a genuine red pill view on woman due to not putting them on a pedestal.

        [–]1RXRob 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        You've hit the nail on the head.

        A good friend of mine recently took up hill walking. In the past year he's become such a spiritually happy person. He's actually smiling when I bump into him. He's not posting drama on Facebook three times a day.

        He's a gay who makes his living as a drag queen. That used to be his entire identity

        [–]tuxedoburrito 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        As in he actually just walks up hills? like cardio?

        This isn't a joke. I think youre making a point at something else but I have no idea what that is.

        [–]1RXRob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Hill walking is hiking, but you make a point of reaching summits of hills rather than just traipsing across a field.

        [–]BetterRedThanRed[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

        Well, the thing is that gay men have a very good reason to let everybody know that they are gay: Otherwise it is hard to find someone to date.

        [–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Nah, if anything, the trend is now that gay is "normal" and men can just use grinder to hook up with other gay men easily, they don't need to act flamboyant, and find other ways of finding men.

        [–]BetterRedThanRed[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I would assume that people on grinder are not better LTR material than people you meat on tinder.

        [–]antariusz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You'd assume wrong... About both men and women. Women that are looking for a quick hookup are the SAME women that can be good in a relationship even just a few weeks later.

        The requirements for casual sex, for both genders, is different than the requirements for a relationship. I've had several good quality LTRs form out of "unlikely" sources, like craigslist and tinder.

        [–]RPSigmaStigma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Bullshit. You don't have bring it up constantly in conversation with the same people at every opportunity to find someone to date.

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        If someone on the street bumps in to us and tells us to fuck off, it's whatever. A guy bumped in to us, big deal. To a homo, it's fag bashing. To a feminist, it's patriarchy oppressing her. To a minority, it's racism. Their minds are so absorbed into what they want to believe that their entire world view is corrupted and they spend a lot of their free time crying about shit like this.

        This is called "biased interpretation of evidence", a part of the "confirmation bias" phenomenon btw. A great deal of humanity's problems draw from the fact that people want to hear what they want.

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        [–]Profdiddy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        OP is spot on in this assessment. The research field is a flawed, despotic he'll. There is nepotism but also a genderless meritocracy. I have seen many HB7-10 crumble and drop out.

        Source: check username

        [–]grewapair 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        "and when you criticize them, they cry"

        That was just proof he's a beta. Your employees test you. I have had female employees cry to get something out of me, or dress up to get a bonus they haven't earned. Each time, I just laugh at them and make it clear it won't work at all, and they never try it again.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Do you talk to a child the same way you talk to a full grown man? No, of course not. People like to discredit the differences in men and women and say we are all just humans! Wrong, we have two very different roles, and one of the main purposes of men is to take care of women and essentially be willing to die for them. I honestly doubt most females want to be treated like a man because why the fuck would you do that, that's weird. The Internet is flooded with overly progressive nazis, I doubt the majority of females actually want to be treated like another human. Just another number in the crowd... They want to be special and protected, as nature intended

        [–]thefisherman1961 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I disagree OP. Women only want to be treated like men if it's an alpha who is treating them like a man. He'll be the hot asshole who refuses to validate her emotions and has an IDGAF attitude about her. That's because even the most hardcore feminists get wet for alphas. AWALT.

        What about betas who treat women like men? Well, if a beta male refuses to validate women, their reaction will range from slightly annoyed to furious. That's because beta behavior disgusts women. They expect betas to either 1) validate them and treat them politely and specially, or 2) fuck off.

        So when feminists talk about how they want to be treated like men, what they really mean is that they want to be treated like men only by alpha males. To really understand feminism, you need to be able to understand powertalk.

        [–]chetmanly2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        No woman has ever said she wants to be treated like a man. They always say they want to be treated like a 'person'. Whatever the hell that means. I guess a man but not?

        Who the hell knows.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        No woman has ever said

        Watch what they do, not what they say.

        [–]4benny2lava0 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        STEM work environments have no room for those that want to skate by. You really cant have someone carrying your work load and you taking the credit.

        You didnt study, you will fail. No one will be able to carry you through a fluid dynamics exam. The only thing that will help you is due diligence and god be with you if your professor doesnt do partial credit.

        Ok you graduate. (Fuck i didnt but i pull the jobs so i dont really care)

        You get into an office and you have maybe two weeks to be able to stand on your own two feet. You dont have to know everything; however you best not find yourself asking the same question twice. Stop what you are doing we need you working on this to meet the deadline.

        Women dont get special treatment because you can not fake intelligence, work ethic, talent or passion for the field.

        There is no room.

        [–]emblasochist 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I get that my field, Network Engineering, is a lot more forgiving on women than most engineering fields, because its a softer and more accepting of failures than the hard engineering fields, but it still has one really important facet that it shares with all other engineering fields, namely, passion does not equate good output. Without putting a lot of work into the studying and work experience, the passion gets you nowhere, as it should. That's why most of the women are stuck at the point before any certifications are required; because they don't have the ability to pass the exams and it takes more than just caring about the material to pass the exams.

        [–]4benny2lava0 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Its hard to say you are passionate about your work if you are not actually doing the work.

        When I went to my fist job site to oversee pile driving; I watched this crane pick up a 100' 12x.375" pipe and drive it 80' into the ground. It sent shock waves through the water and the ground shook beneath my feet and for the first time I saw how big one of these projects really was.

        I jump at the chance to learn anything new because the field is cool as fuck. Passion gives you motivation. Where there is a will there is a way and you can not fake that.

        [–]emblasochist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I don't disagree your point, if we were talking about men. Men know whether they give a shit or not, and don't really care to bullshit about it if they don't give a shit about it. My point though is that passion often isn't enough; passion alone won't keep you working on a thoroughly taxing project with the jackass who clearly is trying to fake his credentials and experience when he's throwing your team under the bus for his failures, or when you have told the same customer the exact same instructions for the 11th time and they either are too dumb or too arrogant to do what you told them to do to fix their problem, because your passion will be sapped away after a few of those problems. Talent, experience, knowledge and work experience will reward you for your successes, so when you hit the roadblocks, you have a bit more passion to borrow against.

        [–]barcelonatimes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Nobody wants to be treated equal, everyone wants special treatment. Women want to be treated equally in the work-place because they are usually inferior.

        Not that they're not intelligent, but they are much more likely to take maternity leave, or decide that taking care of a family takes precedence over work. I wouldn't want to take that risk when hiring an employee.

        [–]semondemon24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        This literally happened to me at work. I didn't hold a door open for a female co-worker and she told some people at work I am sexist because I wasn't a gentlemen.

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I am electrical engr major. Upon graduating, I LTRd 1 of only 2 good looking girls in my major (at a large state uni).

        It was sad how many dudes fell over themselves to help her, share the homework, etc. But I can't complain, she would then share with me since I was usually too busy partying to bother with homework. This was 10yrs ago before I had put 2 and 2 together and was operating on more of a fuzzy awareness (thanks RP).

        Long story short, she remembers basically nothing of EE, despite having a higher GPA than me (that's the difference between studying to pass the test vs studying to internalize concepts). She still gets preferential treatment as a female STEM.

        Makes a decent project manager tho since all the boys line up to do as she says. Who knows maybe her college "education" did teach her well.

        [–]JablesRadio 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        This is the debate about qualifications to be in combat in a warzone in a nutshell.

        Feminazis complain that it isn't fair for women while completely ignoring the fact that if a man can't complete the same exact trials he doesn't get accepted either. There is no bias, it simply is what it needs to be but we should make an easier test for women so they can go to combat. They are literally the cause of what they are trying to fight. It would be hilarious if it wasn't real.

        [–]Avedas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Or perhaps even more relatable, the physical tests required for becoming a fireman. If we gave women lower standards of passing those tests you're going to wish someone else were there when she's too weak to pull your injured ass out of a burning building.

        [–]1InscrutablePUA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Amid all the uproar over that crying comment which was at least partly true, NOBODY (except maybe one source that you cited) ever asked the question "How does Tim Hunt actually treat his female students?"

        All my supposedly intelligent liberal 'friends' on Facebook infuriated me to no end jumping on the bash-wagon. Not one even thought to give him the benefit of the doubt. Sickening.

        [–]imthemanyesiam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        But if you give them special treatment theyll lose all respect for you

        So long tingles

        [–]musclebound92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Ok I don't ever see this talked about, although I will admit I am new here. No one ever talks about how and why women were/are treated "special." I get into debates with women at work about this all of the time. I ask them, if you go on a date, do you expect the man to pay? Many say yes. I then ask them why should the man pay? They usually answer with the usual, "well cause thats what he's supposed to do." I then ask them if they want to be treated equally as men? They usually say yes, I ask if they ant to be paid the same, they say yes. Then why the hell should a man have to pay when you go on a date? This leaves them dumbfounded. They either smile and laugh because they are deer stuck in headlights, with no idea what to say or do. My point in all of this is, women were treated special back in the day because they were not socially equal. Women didn't vote, women didn't have jobs, women didn't have much of a say in anything, they didn't head any great companies or architectural designs, or innovations. That was left to men. Women were put on pedestals, people opened doors for them, rose from their chair when they entered the room, were complimented on their beauty, their smell, or their attire. Women were never to be hit or abused, they lives were to be put before mens in any life or death situations. Women were bought things, were given everything, they had it better than any other species on earth. And they had all of this and it wasn't enough. And you know what? I don't blame them! If i was a smart ambitious woman I wouldn't want to simply be a mother, I would want to go and accomplish great works. So fast forward to present day, women want to be treated in every way equal to males. Including job positions in every field as well as being paid the same. And then on top of that they want to have everything paid for. And receive all of the same benefits as before. However don't hit us, and let us hit you if we feel like it... The amount of EGO that is behind that is un-fucking-believable. Its Immeasurable! Maybe we paid for your drinks and food and car and house before as a way to prove ourselves to you, because we held you to be higher than us. Better than us as males. You were able to be kind and birth children, and raise them far better than most males could. We admired you for the purity you showed in sexuality, and the loyalty to your man that many men were unable to reciprocate. Well thats all gone ladies. Playing field is level. And people like us at TRP, and anyone who carries that mindset, are going to make sure that we treat you the same as us. But we won't hit you to prove that point, don't worry.

        [–]Smokratez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yeah, you have to coddle them a bit and don't be as blunt. But then again, lots of guys have to be treated like that as well. I do treat a lot of men and woman the same way. I have to treat them like children, otherwise their feelings would get hurt. I can't overly let them know that I am doing that though, or their feelings would still get hurt. Most people are a pain to deal with, since they think with their emotions instead of use logic.

        [–]Raisinbrannan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        All women should have to dress up as a man once in their life. My friend did it for Halloween and she was amazed at how badly men treat men. Women would absolutely hate if we treated them like men.

        [–]Veritas_potissimum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm in a field where nerds rule so imagine the gina tingles when I turn on my underhanded misogyny- these bitches be thinking I'm Superman.

        [–]ferengiprophet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        And if you treat them like women they'll think you're sexist

        [–]RP-on-AF1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        My Air Force drill instructor made it a point to push his female flights to the same level as his male flights. But he only had one female flight, because they complained about him so much he was banned to only push men.

        [–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Hostile environment? How about COMPETITIVE.

        [–]xcallide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        While the "hostile environment" claim is not made by all women, all of them can claim that there is an "awkward environment". Unfortunately, the "awkward environment" is sometimes mistaken to be the "hostile environment". If there is an awkward environment, women in STEM should just deal with it, in the very same way that anyone who would get strange looks going into STEM would. If you're getting thrown into an environment where you are treated differently, the change in treatment is probably only partially because you are a woman. The majority of the change in treatment is due to the fact you got thrown into a different environment, in the very same way that the new kid in school needs to adapt to a different environment. It's not oppression if the kid can't fit in -- he just couldn't fit in. Bullying would justify "hostile environment" claims.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        His comment was amazing because the reaction proved him correct.

        [–]Dearth87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Just to be specific - it was not "Marie Curie" as the French would like it to be, but Maria Skłodowska-Curie. She was Polish, not French.

        [–]HumbleEngineer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Oh I have one of those stories. STEM course, as the nickname suggests. Me and 3 friends, 2 guys (one of which became a satellite Engineer, the other a train maintenance Engineer (I went to the structural side)) and a female friend of ours (she's a gas plant Engineer now). We are 4 friends with a band, now look at that! We used to hang out a lot, and, you guessed it, we are all her orbiters.

        So, I, both male friends and female friend (8/10 maybe?) we are all fucked in classes. This professor is giving no shit to her. We are all pretty fucked, as the test was really hard. What do you do when you are fucked? You drink! So all the 4 of us go to the old parts of the city to get some drinks. Mind you that all of us are in a relationship now (not with each other). However, since we decided to play some music after the test, we were all without our partners. Just drinking.

        So, suddenly, we decide to look other girls in the street. No attention to her except for the normal small talk. We are the 3 of us oogling over some hot girl passing by. This is too much to her. We are all looking at the girl and suddenly we hear: "you all think that I'm a man now right?", to which we reply "no way 8/10, you are our friend!", and resume to see the other girl. No shit, she just unbuttons her shirt (flannel or something like that), she is wearing a corset under it, and this girl has really big and pretty tits. So, she simply says "my titties are too big aren't they?". Objetive attained. What can we do, those were beautiful we were all oogling at her. One of the other guys just comments "a good tit is a tit that fits in your hand". So I say "let's try" and grab it whole with my hand. Once the other guys realize that she is cool with that, they proceed to do the same. So, this girl have been treated as a man her entire day, and just to salvage some male attention, she resorted to exposure of her body on the streets and groping. Pretty strong stuff.

        Of course as a bunch of fucking nerds not one of us fucked her. But I grabbed that tit.

        Good times.

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