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Blue Pill Example"Well some other guy just took my [18 M] g/f (now ex I guess) [17 f] virginity." Bonus: Other guy has already moved on to banging a new chick in less than a week. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Schrodingersdawg

Summary:

Dude and girlfriend's families are close. They grow up together. Their mothers are sorority sisters. Start dating at 14. She makes him promise till marriage. She goes off to summer camp and loses her virginity to Chad Thundercock. Dude's cousin is also at camp, notices and tells him.

In his words: "g/f who made me agree to no pre marital sex goes to a leadership conf. and give virginity to random guy who then proceeds to dump her. She is begging me to not end things with her but its way to late for that as I hate her now. Complications aplenty because of our family's being so tightly interweaved."


Body:

Another day, another dude gets cucked because AWALT: http://archive.is/xQmyR

Lexi (not her real name) and I have been together all of our lives, literally. Our Mothers are best friends and were sorority sisters. She and I are actually only 4 months apart in age, I just turned 18 and she will in October. We have been friends since we were kids and we became romantically involved with one another at 14. We have been with each other almost every day since. We are very young so obviously we both know that marriage wasn't on the immediate horizon but we have talked and planned and dreamed about it for years.

Got his commitment early, nice job. Now she doesn't really have to think about him in the foreground of her actions. Whether this is subconscious or not, it's hard to tell. She appears to regret what's happened - there are tears from her when she's around the guy and when she was alone, away from him.

Both of our family's attend the same church and through that we both decided that we would wait at least until we were out of our parents homes to actually go all of the way. Believe me it wasn't always my idea and there was more than one time I asked to break that but she is the one who held firm. God I feel like such a fucking loser just typing that.

She knows her value in sex. She's denying it to him - but to be fair, he seems like the type of moral person to actually want to wait until marriage. I can't blame him - I was the same way too, an idealist. But, he can smell his own beta-ness. That's a lot further than a lot of us felt before swallowing the pill. Maybe he has hope?

same college to attend this fall

Most relationships break when they go to different colleges. Turns out this won't be the issue.

I get a text from my cousin which made me start to hyperventilate. She tells me that a guy from the camp had been hitting on my g/f hot and heavy since almost the first moment they arrived. She said my g/f initially gave him the cold shoulder but over the past two days she has not seen my g/f a lot and she has been coming back to their room later and acts like she immediately falls asleep.

Persistence. Persistence, persistence, persistence. Have high enough SMV and this could be you. For all we know, both guys could have high as fuck SMV - but it depends on where she is at the time and how she feels.

Time goes on and she now gives me a few random meaningless text during the day talking about nonsense like nothing is going on. She does it at time she knows I can't respond (working a summer job) and doesn't respond when I try and text her.

She doesn't know what to say, she fucked up, her hamster isn't developed enough to give good excuses... yet.

She told me that while she was at camp she had developed a relationship with someone from out of state and that they had been hanging out the first week and a half they were there. Obviously I was upset and showed her the photo on my phone. She went very pale and wanted to know how I got that, then she remembered my cousin was there and she started sobbing asking me how long I knew.

I told her that when she stopped texting me I got concerned but thought she was just busy.

At this point in time I had no idea how far things had gone. I thought she developed a crush and that she liked him or spent time with him and while I didn't want to think about it I thought there might be an off chance she might kiss him.

I was not prepared for what she told me. I asked how far things had gotten and she started crying even harder. I started to panic and asked again.

She then told me between tears that they had gone all the way. But then threw in that it was only once, like I was supposed to be okay with that.

only once. "I only lost my virginity to Chad only once, why are you so mad?" Top. Fucking. KEK. CUCK!

I wish I could tell you that I did or said something manly here but I just started crying harder than she did.

Mean are the idealists, women are the realists. You will always love her more than she loves you.

How could she do this to me? Why would she do this to us?

Fuck, that hurts. Stings a bit close to home. Denial phase.

Then she did the one thing that actually made me stop crying. She offered to have sex with me.

Again, the only thing of value from women is pussy. On a subconscious level, she knows it. This is her final, desparate attempt to win him back. Dude is solid, he rejects her. I would've smashed first and booted her out, but we're all different people with different capacities for cruelty.

I simply told her that she obviously did not understand that we were done, she killed us and I had no desire to be with her in any capacity. That I waited for her and she stabbed me in the back the first moment she got a chance.

He lost his frame when he cried. Now he's taking some of it back.

Then I asked why him and not me, why was I punished all of those nights and this guy in less than a weeks time was able to get to where I was not able to go for all of these years.

The emotions and tingles are always > everything else. Always.

She has shattered whatever self esteem I had. The kick to this is I learned tonight from my cousin that this guy was with another girl by the end of the camp. So in other words he got what he wanted and left her.

Be the other guy.

Is it wrong that I actually hate her right now. I mean viscerally hate her. I feel like she just robbed me of my entire high school life.

Ahh, glorious. The anger phase. Someone send this man an invitation!

The majority of the comments are proto-red pill ideas. Go no contact. Dump her ass. Block her on everything. Yet, they still give blue pill rationale.

Comment 1:

I'm guessing this guy that she had sex with was one of those player assholes. Probably doesn't give a damn about her. He's never going to see her again now that leadership camp is over. He hit on her relentlessly and nudged her and nudged her until he wore her down. Which is why he got to fuck her instead of you getting to make love with her. You respected her wishes to wait for the right time to have sex. This guy didn't give a shit about her, her relationship with you, her desire for a meaningful first time, or anything. This guy is a total scumbag. A user. He used her and didn't give a damn what damage he did.

Sure, blame the single guy instead of the girl who was in a committed relationship. The blue pill is strong in this one.

Comment 2:

OP I'm sorry your girlfriend cheated, but I also want to say be careful about the way you view some things

Then I asked why him and not me, why was I punished all of those nights and this guy in less than a weeks time was able to get to where I was not able to go for all of these years.

I understand its frustrating that your girlfriend slept with someone else, but I don't think its healthy to view your girlfriend not having sex with you in the past as a 'punishment'. I know it may just be anger speaking - but its also good to get out of this line of thinking while you are still young.

It's not punishment, it's clear that he didn't give her the tingles.

Comment 3 (my favorite):

She felt it with you and her actions have killed it. You know how shitty it is to be the victim. Can you imagine how shitty it feels to be the responsible party?

Self explanatory. Pussy passes for days.

Comment 3.1:

It's almost worth doing the opposite of what you hear here. I wouldn't even take it as a given that you have to break up with her.

Mmm.... women should never have to deal with the consequences of their actions. Sounds a bit like privilege to me.

Stealth Red-pill comment:

he was new and different, he didn't have parental approval (which probably made him more interesting than he actually is), and she was away from home the first time. Although she should've never cheated on you, at least she came out and confessed instead of hiding it from you. Many people never get the truth from their cheating SOs.

away from home the first time. For most girls this is college.

More red-pill:

Seriously, the girl is worried about her reputation and nothing more.

"I'm a virgin and will only sleep with /u/yl23 when the time is right."

Followed by...

"Please don't tell anyone I decided to be a slut and fuck a random stranger to lose my virginity. I'll fuck you, too. Please. It'll be ok."


Lessons Learned:

You think a lifetime of devotion will safeguard you? NOPE! The hamster feels will always take precedence over everything you've ever done for a woman, whether she's 17 or 71 (there was a post a few weeks back about some guy's grandma cheating). Even the sweetest of church girls will cheat on you - it's not rational - but it doesn't change the fact that it happens.


[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c 190 points191 points  (21 children)

Again, the Relationships sub kills it with some horrible advice: you're a nice guy, just keep being a nice guy, and you'll win in the end ... this was a bad experience, not all women are like that, one day you'll find one that will really love you, forever and ever and ever.

TRP public service announcement for the day: AWALT.

Given the right time and circumstances, they will all do that. Protect yourself. Steel yourself. And for the love of god, do not think any woman is holier than thou ... depedestalize that shit.

[–]AnalogSignal 60 points61 points  (0 children)

That person is correct but they did not finish the sentence. He will win all right, he will win the booby prize; a 37 year old single mother with HPV and 160,000 miles on her odometer who is ready to settle down because she "had her fun".

[–]MrRexels 27 points28 points  (1 child)

AWALT is public service announcement for every day.

[–]brianjamesxx 16 points17 points  (0 children)

AWALT my fuckin alarm clock

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It's worth noting that the "right circumstances" aren't necessarily some carefully crafted scenario of manipulation, hotness, and confidence.

This girl was with the same boy for 4 years. No sex, ever. No matter how long things went on, how close they grew together, how many times he tried or they talked about it. Because this guy was willing to stand by her, even under those circumstances.

The new guy at camp? There's a sense of urgency. They're only there for a couple of weeks. He's forward about wanting sex. He's had sex before. He has options with other women - even other women right there at camp.

He didn't have to really do anything or craft any crazy situation to bully her into sex. He just had to walk up, talk, escalate over a few days, then go for sex. She liked him. She was attracted. She knew that if she wanted to keep things going with him and keep her chance alive, she couldn't do the same things she'd been doing with her boyfriend back home.

She knew he wouldn't stand for that, and he probably didn't even need to say a word about it. It's quite possible that she didn't even make a big deal about losing her virginity to him and just had sex when he escalated like it was a natural thing to do, to avoid putting him off or making him feel like he had to work for it or earn it. Because she knew he wouldn't stick around for less. Without him having to bully or threaten her. He just had to be attractive.

[–]laere 4 points5 points  (3 children)

That advice is what leads to guys marrying bitches off tinder. Sickening reality.

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    [–]ModAerobus 117 points118 points  (29 children)

    Four years. They were together for four years.

    This young man was fed the lie we all were. He believed that by being a nice, caring, supportive boyfriend he would get the prize: sex, and in this case, her virginity. Whether women like it or not, this is what men want.

    I simply told her that she obviously did not understand that we were done, she killed us and I had no desire to be with her in any capacity. That I waited for her and she stabbed me in the back the first moment she got a chance. Then I asked why him and not me, why was I punished all of those nights and this guy in less than a weeks time was able to get to where I was not able to go for all of these years.

    Here's why: AF/BB. This girl felt tingles for the man at camp. She got too comfortable with the boyfriend. She started to see him as a friend and not a lover. There are fourteen year old girls that will sleep will men READILY. Do not underestimate how early girls jump on the cock carousel. The fact that this girl waited for three years doesn't mean that she valued her virginity. It means she saw this boyfriend as "the perfect boyfriend" i.e. "husband material," and not fuck-material. For, if this girl actually was sexually attracted to the boyfriend, and actually valued her virginity, and actually valued her relationship, she wouldn't throw away a relationship of four years.

    And what is the girl's response when the man asks her this?

    She couldn't answer, she just set there.

    Of course she couldn't answer. The sad truth is, women are victims of their own sexuality. They do not even know of the AF/BB programming that their brain has. Women are children. They are incapable of seeing the long-term effects of their decisions and cannot think about the consequences of their actions until it is far too late.

    Is it wrong that I actually hate her right now. I mean viscerally hate her. I feel like she just robbed me of my entire high school life.

    No, it's not wrong that he hates her. He has entered the anger phase unknowingly. It's time we message this guy and help him unplug.

    [–]GoldPisseR 59 points60 points  (19 children)

    Its fine if a girl sees you as husband material.You can also be Alpha bucks.But only if she's a virgin and sexually conservative.

    Girls raised a certain way manage to supress their tingles.They used to, very easily.

    But when today's shit media so heavily advocates hook up culture and 'exlporing yourself' ,why would they restrain themselves?

    Say what you will about the religious chicks, atleast fear of god keeps them in check.Some of them run the fuck away from the guy if they start feeling tempted.I've seen it, hilarious and adorable

    [–]ModAerobus 43 points44 points  (8 children)

    Its fine if a girl sees you as husband material.You can also be Alpha bucks.But only if she's a virgin and sexually conservative.

    This is actually completely true and overlooked. Husband material == beta bucks to all western, feminist, slutty women. The only time Husband material == alpha bucks is if the woman in question is sexually conservative and very low partner count/virgin.

    [–]80smadmaxonly 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    I wanted to add that if a guy is alpha bucks westernized sluts would see him as husband material but they'd be shot down. I doubt any women would say, "see that alpha over there, if only he were also poor then I'd marry him." They'll overlook poverty for a lay but I think BB means "this is the best I could get to commit." In this post, if pump and dumper would have stuck around, poster would have been dumped, coldly.

    [–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 2 points3 points  (5 children)

    if the woman in question is sexually conservative and very low partner count/virgin.

    This is the confusing part. There is almost no difference between this and a "born-again-virginTM" Otherwise known as the Madonna-whore complex. How will you really know if she's just putting on the conservative virgin act?

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      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children)

      Girls raised a certain way manage to supress their tingles.They used to, very easily.

      Did they? Back in the day it was considered improper for unmarried couples to go on unsupervised dates and stuff like that.

      [–]GoldPisseR 17 points18 points  (6 children)

      Damn, how back have you gone? I am talking about pre social media/smartphone era.Its was also a lot more sexually conservative.

      Most girls didn't have guy friends , there wasn't birth control and basically they were just shitless scared of sex and being ostracized for having multiple partners or sex before marriage.

      This is an unprecedented amount of whoring we are witnessing.Not to mention its being applauded as empowerment.

      Check out the surveys from 50s,60s.More than half the women were virgins at the time of marriage.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      Yea I agree there's definitely an unprecedented slut epidemic going on right now. At the same time older, religious societies all have strict controls on male/female interactions.

      Why would those rules be there if the men of that time didn't realize how much women were slaves to their alpha tingles?

      [–]Newdist2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Back in the day it was considered improper for unmarried couples to go on unsupervised dates and stuff like that.

      Back in the day, society a lot smarter than it is now.

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        [–]insane_psycho 76 points77 points  (3 children)

        I would bet the fucking farm if the genders were reversed all of these cries for sympathy for the cheater would be no where to be seen. Raging hormones aren't an excuse for a guy to act like this why are they for a girl?

        Basically 18 years old is easily accountable for their actions and their consequences. If she didn't understand what this would do she's either incredibly narcissistic or too stupid to have made it this far in life.

        [–]madscientist970 34 points35 points  (1 child)

        Of course not. Society doesn't give a shit about empathizing with men. We're just automatic piles of shit instead of victims. Look at how male rape gets treated.

        [–]Talon1212 147 points148 points  (14 children)

        My favorites are the ones that she was crying because she was coerced or forced into it. Not because she got pumped and dumped and then realized she had cheated on her boyfriend.

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          [–]Sdom1 53 points54 points  (8 children)

          Nope, you're not even close. It wasn't supposed to go beyond that hookup. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SECRET. I'll guarantee that kid knows how to play religious girls like a violin. He stabbed two just in that one week at summer camp!

          [–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 23 points24 points  (7 children)

          Wanna bet it wasn't really her first time either? I guess it was just the first time she got caught.

          [–]2Overkillengine 31 points32 points  (0 children)

          Every girl is a good girl until she gets caught.

          [–]RedditAccount321123 21 points22 points  (3 children)

          At least she didnt cry rape

          [–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

          She's learned her lesson too. Guess what happens next time?

          [–]sodainthewatercup6 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Next time she checks the room for relatives first.

          [–]Sdom1 28 points29 points  (0 children)

          Will that shit sub ever hold a girl responsible?

          Nope! She could have murdered his puppy and they'd be like, "come on OP, try and see this from her side..."

          I hate their bullshit condescending tone too. They are the worst.

          [–]mygodimpathetic 27 points28 points  (5 children)

          I'm actually honestly surprised she didn't pull the rape card: spinned it and told the poor schmuck that she had been raped/manipulated by that guy at camp. I guess she's still young.

          [–]TheDialecticParadox 34 points35 points  (0 children)

          Hamsters learn quickly. When she realizes that telling the truth doesn't extinguish the flames on her beta provider, the hamster will become better at 'bending' the truth and creating self-deception.

          [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

          "got used"
          Hahahahahahahahahaha, might as well say that she tripped and her vagina accidentally fell onto his dick. The blue pills are twisted enough to turn the cheating girlfriend into the poor little girlfriend being "used", who "just wanted to explore herself". I don't normally get worked up over bp comments, but this is disgusting.

          [–]anecdotal 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          I was having a good schadenfreude fap until I read those comments. Totally killed the boner.

          [–]FrameWalker 116 points117 points  (6 children)

          The men read the tale of the heartbroken young man. They feel his pain as if it is their own, because it is. A flurry of activity begins as men from all over the world press their faces to their glowing screens. Clickity clack clack tap Tap tap tap they all type furiously. Realizing the urgency of the matter, they select all of the text, press backspace and then control V. On each screen appears "AWALT." they all submit.

          A whisper made of the distance is heard like a windchime hidden in a forest. "chad"

          [–]ChadThundercockII 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          The men read the tale of the heartbroken young man. They felt his pain as if it was his own, because it was their own. A flurry of activity begins as men from all over the world press their faces to their glowing screens.

          Then they send owls, pigeons, mail men and drones to deliver an invitation to join the men's club.

          Tomorrow he will wake up with a new breath and a sense of purpose. In a year, he will fuck more women than Genghis Khan.

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          This is some poetic shit lmao

          [–]slurmfactory 11 points12 points  (1 child)

          lmfaaaaaaaaaaao ahaaaaaha....

          the whispering wind spoke simply.... "chad....."

          [–]patches93 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Just loved this too much! Have my first gold fellow TRPer

          [–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (1 child)

          This is gonna get downvoted but i dont care. My first girlfriend who broke my heart at 17 died two weeks ago from a drug overdose. It stemmed from hard, habitual drug use. She was so damaged, and left a string of broken hearts behind her.

          I feigned sadness, but in reality i feel liberated to know karma got her. Sorry not sorry.

          [–]Postboned 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          Not downvoted. Welcome to the heartless bastards club; karma is a bitch.

          [–]IoSonCalaf 85 points86 points  (16 children)

          At least he's learning young.

          [–]Final_Round 50 points51 points  (14 children)

          Better at 18 than 24-25. Shit, I'm still learning, but I'm alright with that. Progress is progress.

          [–]LancerKagato 22 points23 points  (12 children)

          fuck, wish I found it at 24-25....I was almost 29 when I took the pill.

          [–]sirmadam 11 points12 points  (10 children)

          22 checking in. 23 and starting to our wheels in motion.

          [–]2awalt_cupcake 7 points8 points  (9 children)

          22 year old also checking in. Wish I knew this at 18.

          [–]ROLLINGSTONE6 12 points13 points  (8 children)

          17 , turning 18 in 4 days. I feel so damn lucky

          [–]2awalt_cupcake 10 points11 points  (5 children)

          PROTIP: Spin plates in college. I missed this opportunity. I turned 18 in my freshman year of college. I was in a very different place in life. Christian. On my own. A & B student. Thought that being a good guy was a deprecating asset in the world so I was being different. Honestly thought women has a sense of integrity and respect.

          I'm 22 turning 23 now. I've only had a handful of hookups and 2 LTRs that were totally worth it to see a woman in close quarters. One of them moved in and I saw first hand TRP theories applied on a daily basis. I've since renounced my faith, a total failure of a student, but a hard worker and have financially supported myself for years. Got 2 cars and rent a house.

          Takeaway: Do not focus on school. Focus on your education. E.g. if a class is boring as fuck and it does literally nothing to benefit you, don't put so much time or emotional energy if you can pass it without consequences. In that same light grades aren't everything. If you get a C, a few Ds, hell even fail some classes you'll be okay if you can provide food and living space for yourself. Consider your religion. I did so many "nice guy things" hoping I'd be loyal in God's eyes. What I missed out instead was human experience, missed sex in highschool, socially inept to aggressive and manipulative behavior. I'd recommend Buddhism or something.

          Finally, keep treading on TRP to learn the true nature of women. I dated a hot Christian girl my senior year of highschool. She was a virgin. We never got anywhere but in freshman year of college I found out she fucked some dude less than a month of knowing him and then to hamster her way into it, they got engaged only to break it off later. Women will never respect you for who you are. Ever. Don't look for love for 5 years like I did. I'm glad I did so I know with personal experience that TRP is so fucking true, but I could have saved myself the nihilism that I'm going through reconstructing my life and I could've had way more tail.

          Good luck, brother!

          [–]Final_Round 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Yeah yeah yeah, showoff. Haha.

          Also, not so much sage advice, but my uncle told me this when I was still a wee squid, "u/Final_Round, you can make mistakes, just don't make the same one's that I made."

          [–]Thizzlebot 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          At least he's learning young.

          Hopefully. Otherwise it's the start of a long, sad pathetic life.

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          [–]1jb_trp 75 points76 points  (18 children)

          God, that was a painful read. I hope this kid's balls drop soon. He obviously was in love with her and this will hurt for a long time.

          There is only one thing for /u/yl23 to do in this situation: Never talk to this girl again. Cut her out of his life. She's already seen him cry--she'll probably resent him later for that and think he's "weak."

          I guarantee one thing: This girl's hamster is going to kick into overdrive. She's going to rationalize and explain away any responsibility. If OP talks to her 6 months from now, her story and understanding of her role in this will be completely upside down. Sure, she'll tell him want she thinks he wants to here now, but down the road... It's bizzaro world time. I've seen it first hand.

          Any attempt to communicate with this girl is just a step closer to beta orbiter status and should be avoided at all cost. Giver her nothing. No closure, no comfort, nothing. She made her bed, and she should sleep in it.

          [–]2renzy77 36 points37 points  (6 children)

          I guarantee one thing: This girl's hamster is going to kick into overdrive. She's going to rationalize and explain away any responsibility. If OP talks to her 6 months from now, her story and understanding of her role in this will be completely upside down.

          I've seen the exact same thing and it's just scary to see the extent to which women are able to believe their own rationalizations. And once they've rewritten history in their head (removing any personal culpability in the process) they'll see you as the bad guy for not accepting what they now believe is an entirely valid justification.

          When women talk about "validating" each other's feelings, what they're doing is buttressing up each others false narratives.

          [–]1jb_trp 26 points27 points  (4 children)

          When women talk about "validating" each other's feelings, what they're doing is buttressing up each others false narratives.

          A little off topic, but here's food for thought: You always hear those campus "sexual assault" stories where the girl will say, "I don't realize I was raped, but then I talked to my friend who is a gender studies major..." (e.g. Lena Dunham, the case at Occidental College, etc.) Is it any surprise that the average reporting time for many of these cases is something like 100 days?

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

          but then I talked to my friend who is a gender studies major...

          This is a common factor in the stuff I've read. How this shit works...its really fucked up. BPD seems to be a recurring theme. Many of them are also networked over Tumblr.

          [–]1jb_trp 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          I listened to this podcast by Radiolab on the placebo effect... I kind of wonder if there isn't a level of that at play. Women's experiences are being interpreted to them via a feminist victimized worldview.

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Yep! One of the things I read about was that apparently, rape claims spike as a result of Take Back the Night. People apparently feel compelled to identity themselves as a victim.

          Someone seriously needs to study this shit.

          [–]Kill_Your_Ego 29 points30 points  (5 children)

          The ability of the hamster to rationalize everything is shocking at first. I'm honestly not even sure how women get by on a day to day basis after their hamster has rewritten history for the fifth time. No wonder successful civilizations don't allow women to testify in court. Much less vote. After the hamster gets through altering reality so these sluts can continue to pretend like they are victims these women are basically delusional.

          Just learn what you can from this. Namely that a woman's word is worth nothing and listening to what women say is incredibly foolhardy. Watch what they do, never ever get married, and use a condom. Better yet get a vasectomy and freeze some sperm. No "whoops hunny I'm pregnant" bullshit that way.

          Well that isn't true. But when you hear, "whoops honey I'm pregnant" you can laugh and say, "good luck with that slut!"

          [–]mike_cool 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          The ability of the hamster to rationalize everything is shocking

          I'm curious of the effects of a woman president, im not sure how effective or actually in control any woman 'leaders' are around the world.

          [–]1jb_trp 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          The ability of the hamster to rationalize everything is shocking at first.

          Remember the story of Casey Anthony? She was the mom who (allegedly) murdered her child and while her kid was still missing (but really dead in a trashcan not far from her house) was out partying at a club. And I'm sure years later she now sees herself as the victim.

          [–]Sementeries 9 points10 points  (3 children)

          Refreshing to see this as you usually see some threads talking about "ex cheated on me, improved myself, ex wants the D, and ex is now a plate". Keep your dignity intact.

          Rachel Dolezal is the perfect example of how powerful the hamster is.

          When a man gets caught cheating, he apologizes; when a woman gets caught cheating she gives 1000 reasons why she did it.

          [–]1jb_trp 12 points13 points  (2 children)

          Rachel Dolezal's hamster was so powerful it changed the color of her skin. She went so far as to find a fake dad--but I'm sure on some level she actually believes she's black.

          [–]Sementeries 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Kanye's 'Can't Tell Me Nothing' is her hamster theme music.

          [–]SilverWolfeBlade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Another now joins our ranks.

          He will find us, eventually, however long it will take, but he is on the long and hard road to social enlightenment.

          Also, many heartbreaks give birth to Body builders, innovation and motivation to expand and better oneself. He's hitting rock bottom, nowhere else to go but up.

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              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              More people need to read this post. So brutally accurate and true.

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                  [–]RedditAccount321123 14 points15 points  (5 children)

                  Ueah, ask the other boyfriends or her friends. Get a 2nd opinion

                  [–]collidoscope 12 points13 points  (2 children)

                  How old are you? How old is she?  

                  I've already made it clear that I will not marry someone who isn't a virgin, she knows and decided to stick around.
                   

                  So she knows if you find out she's slept with her other boyfriends, she's gone. Doesn't sound like you'll ever know the real answer. That's why when you meet a girl, you have to act like you don't give a fuck about anything she says. I create an environment where they are free to share anything they want. You'll be surprised what they'll tell you. Afterward, you evaluate if they're what you're looking for.  

                  I went on a date with one girl who talked about how she went backpacking in Asia for two years with her boyfriend. She then proceeded to tell me how she thought her bf might be gay, but he fucked Thai girls on their trip so he probably wasn't. That's all I needed to know. Not interested in whatever disease farm that girl has growing between her legs.

                  [–]Espada18 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  How old are you? How old is she?

                  We're both 22, I'm like 4 months older than her.

                  That's why when you meet a girl, you have to act like you don't give a fuck about anything she says.

                  I've known this girl since I was 10/11, we've known each other for over a decade, but we haven't talked since 2010, I talked to her cousin recently who talked about me to her, she then decided to message me, and we've been talking since then. And to be fair, I did act like I didn't give a fuck at first; and when she wasn't willing to give me anything to work with, I decided to be straight up with her, figured she might take me for some cuck. But to be fair there are some things that have made wary, such as:

                  • Her unintentionally saying "I'm lowkey."

                  • Literally getting touchy from the get-go with me, we haven't talked in 5 years and haven't met in 7.

                  • Lives in a city, and I know how city girls can be.

                  • She knows I have quite the history and is absolutely okay with it, even says what I did in the past doesn't matter as long as I don't do anything like that while I'm with her.

                  I went on a date with one girl who talked about how she went backpacking in Asia for two years with her boyfriend. She then proceeded to tell me how she thought her bf might be gay, but he fucked Thai girls on their trip so he probably wasn't. That's all I needed to know. Not interested in whatever disease farm that girl has growing between her legs.

                  Good riddance, takes a real man to walk away.

                  Edit: Extra info.

                  [–]One_friendship_plz 23 points24 points  (12 children)

                  A co-worker of mine told me that she lied to a guy saying she was a virgin. Yep, she actually was willing to tell that to me and a bunch of other people at work because she was trying to join the guys in a conversation of "funny things that happened"

                  I wouldn't get married no matter what, women aren't even fun for me to talk to.

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                    [–]One_friendship_plz 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                    It's too late for you, I never had a woman tell me she was a virgin.
                    I think it's because I act like I don't care. You already established your views on relationships most likely so you're never going to know if she's being honest or not.

                    read this

                    My boyfriend (23) told me he had slept with 4 people (myself included). I told him I had slept with more, 7. He did not have to know about the other 12 people I neglected to mention because they do not effect us in any way. Yes, I've painted myself as much more of a saint than I am, but I also don't want him thinking I'm comparing him to past one-night stands.

                    Your girl could've gave 100 strangers BJ's and still claim she's a virgin, it's a hopeless battle, I just don't think about LTR's/marriage anymore so my only concern is STD's.

                    comment was deleted before for linking it.

                    [–]Gyissan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    Why are you even thinking about marrying her if you are already having these kinds of problems this early on? So you have not fucked her yet? Get on that shit before you even think the word marriage.

                    [–]roteroktober 2 points3 points  (6 children)

                    If we marry, eventually fuck and it turns out she's not a virgin, I'm willing to walk away.

                    and how the fuck will you ever know?

                    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

                    Poophole loophole, you can get in there I promise. Haha I had a girl that claimed to be a virgin tell me "fuck me harder daddy," the "first" time she had anal sex.

                    [–]I_luv_twinks 25 points26 points  (1 child)

                    There was some post in there where some feminist said something along the lines of "it's troubling how entitled you feel about her body."

                    I was about to go off, but then I remembered I'm banned from there.

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                    [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

                    It's interesting how they word it to create their narrative.

                    They use the word "fuck" to describe Chad's alpha sex that they think OP shouldn't be having, yet they use the gentle "make love" to describe the beta commitment sex that OP should have been having when his special snowflake felt all good and ready.

                    Some of you will think this means nothing, but how something is worded changes your perspective of it.

                    [–]slurmfactory 27 points28 points  (1 child)

                    lmao its accurate tho. kid wanted to make love to her, she wanted to get fucked by big dick bro.

                    [–]GoldPisseR 25 points26 points  (0 children)

                    This comment almost made me throw my mobile

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                      [–]Postboned 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      Actually, I'd love to know the percentage of women that want to be made love to vs. the ones that want to get straight up rammed.

                      The ones that say they like being made love to: 30%

                      The ones that say they like getting rammed: 70%

                      The actual statistic: 100%

                      [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

                      I only lost my virginity to Chad only once

                      Well, you don't hear that kind of stupid everyday

                      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

                      what's next, "won't happen again, i promise"?

                      [–]CaptainRP 22 points23 points  (1 child)

                      Does no one else think it's hilarious all this went down at a leadership conference?

                      Career women gonna sloot it up...

                      [–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (1 child)

                      She felt it with you and her actions have killed it. You know how shitty it is to be the victim. Can you imagine how shitty it feels to be the responsible party?

                      Rape is okay, then, because it's worse to be the responsible party than the the victim.

                      [–]PMMeYourBootyPics 22 points23 points  (0 children)

                      Nope, because only women can be raped. In that case, being the victim is worse because being the woman in any situation is worse than being the man. But don't forget that women are actually stronger than men and should be treated the same, but actually better.

                      [–]mygodimpathetic 19 points20 points  (0 children)

                      "Please don't tell anyone I decided to be a slut and fuck a random stranger to lose my virginity. I'll fuck you, too. Please. It'll be ok."

                      Bingo. I'm so wary of these "religious"/wait until marriage-type girls. I wasted so much time in my teens "dating" so-called "religious" "good" girls who would basically use me as an emotional/support tampon. They could do anything with you -- except have sex. Come college, first chance they get, they slut it up with some random dude. They are repressed sluts, who keep a social mask/veneer of religion around their parents/community, to appear innocent when they are everything but.

                      [–]notevenatthestart 33 points34 points  (2 children)

                      It's hard not to feel angry when you read that. Not just anger, but the first anger; anger that hits you and carries you back to when you first felt like that; humiliated, furious, betrayed.

                      As we've read and learned and pondered and lifted, all of us here have all developed some kind of a skin against this. Depending on how far along we are, we're starting to realise that AWALT. This situation angers us, then, but it doesn't surprise us.

                      We should remember that this young man, though, didn't have that advantage... He didn't have any of that defence or any of our cynicism. He was with the same girl since they were 14-- how could he have any defences? He didn't even have the chance to have experiences with a number of girls in school.

                      The saddest bit? For all his naivety as seen from our point of view, he sounds like a good man. His loyalty is admirable, and he deserved better. And now he's going to have to go through all that anger and maybe, just maybe, if he's lucky and listens to the right advice, and applies himself, he'll come through it and emerge at the far side as a man.

                      But he's got it all to come.

                      [–]Ibex3D 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                      I grew cold to this shit. Stories about guys getting jailed or expelled for no reason still piss me off but AWALt stories never get to me anymore. Ever. Until this one. Damn, I feel for this dude. He's young. He did everything the world told him would lead to a happy relationship. Literally got with his best friend since birth, waiting till marriage, was a nice guy, and then boom. His heart was ripped out. God damn...

                      [–]slurmfactory 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                      Brutal.

                      "The emotions and tingles are always > everything else. Always."

                      This was what I learned when I was 16 and realized that girls instinctively flock and follow whomever can provide them with this. And not just that, but any male who doesn't give them these feelings, aka not alpha males, is literally irrelevant and treated like an asexual being... Literally nothing matters more than the tingles/ emotions. Nothing.

                      [–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 41 points42 points  (1 child)

                      This dude is fairly young, yet shows all kinds of potential. Needs a little knowledge and he will turn ladykiller in very short order.

                      Fantastic analysis/breakdown, thanks man.

                      [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children)

                      Man being a teenager hurts. I feel bad for the kid but it's honestly better to learn early than learn late.

                      I would take my teenage heartbreake over being divorced raped any day

                      [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 57 points58 points  (34 children)

                      My favorite comment is the top one:

                      Just because your relationship ended badly, it doesn't mean that it was all a waste.

                      Yes it was. He took himself off the market for her - and missed out on 4 years of hot teen sex.

                      Men should, in general, take the most direct route to sex. If a woman makes you wait, then tell that GPS to re-route you straight to other women.

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                        [–]Sementeries 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        Just because your relationship ended badly, it doesn't mean that it was all a waste.

                        I'd slap fire from that person.

                        [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

                        I don't doubt she loved him, and I actually feel kind of sorry for her. All her sexual life she's been treated like a princess by a clearly very nice kid, but biology kicked in and she needed to submit herself to alpha behavior at some point.

                        Warning message to all young men reading this: don't treat girls like these perfect princesses. Treat them like a buddy, make them crave your attention and they'll subconsciously think you're better than them. Wish I knew this when I was 19.

                        [–]GoldPisseR 14 points15 points  (2 children)

                        See, I know women love alpha behaviour

                        But the right women manage to supress their desire till the right time and only get dominated by their husbands.Of course,you'll have to wait for sex if you want a shot at a proper relationship.

                        Its works out great, because if her husbands fucks her like a ragdoll, he also cares,provides for her and kids.Her desire for being rough fucked also remains satiated.

                        But if she is getting pumped and dumped it'll just damage her psyche forever.She'll actually resent her future husband for being loser enough to marry her after being used for so long.

                        [–]Kayak_Fisherdude 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        Damn how true is that last part? I'm not disagreeing but that resentment for her own decisions sounds fucking awful.

                        [–]2Overkillengine 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                        "You know why your woman hates you? Because you weren't her first choice!" - Chris Rock.

                        [–]80smadmaxonly 10 points11 points  (1 child)

                        This happened to me years ago. I spent six months wooing this chick with major oneitis. I played the game. She was religious, a virgin. I thought I'd found a MRS. She gave it up to some drunk one-night stand to a guy who didn't fill many of the "will marry or even date" list.

                        She did find her alpha bucks but he got MS soon after marriage, is in a wheelchair and they are dirt poor (he can't work anymore).

                        [–]musclebound92 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                        What goes around comes around. I would like to say she got what she deserved, but thats a bit harsh... yeah, she got what she deserved.

                        [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (14 children)

                        Then she did the one thing that actually made me stop crying. She offered to have sex with me.

                        And this is supposed to make him feel better? I think it'd hurt me more to be offered pity sex. How pathetic he must feel.

                        [–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

                        Maybe it was rage. You don't know, reading that - I felt like I was him, and I felt rage when she offered sex to him like a bargaining tool.

                        Put yourself in his shoes, re-read the thing. It definitely wasn't happiness - I'd bet it was anger.

                        [–]Papahoff25 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                        Same vibe I got. More like he meant "as if I'd want it now."

                        [–]zpatriarchy 16 points17 points  (4 children)

                        would you like some sloppy seconds? still warm, thanks to chad's cum

                        [–]GoldPisseR 10 points11 points  (3 children)

                        The fucked up part is, the no of guys who'd actually like this is exponentially rising

                        [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

                        It's becoming more and more fetishised. Probably from some single-mother beta conditioning during childhood.

                        [–]DRHipsterFaggot 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                        Honestly, I am one of those guys. There is a reason though. I have a natural inclination to be softer towards girls in bed. I know it's not the better move but that's my inclination, and I enjoy sex more that way honestly.

                        But in this case I would just utterly wreck and defile the girl, and then bounce. Like what a poetic opportunity, how could anyone pass that up.

                        [–]GoldPisseR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                        It seems tempting isn't it?But most guys get so broken thats its not a possibility for them

                        [–]slurmfactory 14 points15 points  (0 children)

                        Yes, but he denied it and told her to fuck off. Good for him, a young ass kid in a brutal, brutal situation. 4 year girlfriend throws away everything to get some alpha dick.

                        [–]1jb_trp 28 points29 points  (2 children)

                        pity sex. How pathetic he must feel.

                        Imagine if that's how he lost his virginity? Pity sex while he's almost crying with his ex-girlfriend who just cheated on him. That sounds like the most awkward and horrible way to lose your virginity ever.

                        I'm sure down the road the ex-girlfriend would have looked and would think about what a lousy fuck he was and how he was nothing compared to Chad. Thank God he said no.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                        You didn't say trigger alert.. Holy fuck me. Not virginity but that horrible, awkward, goodbye fuck with you both sobbing. Ouch.

                        [–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                        I wasn't even sure it was pity sex, from the description. It sounded more like a bribery attempt. It showed how much value she actually placed on sex.

                        [–]darkwolfx24678 23 points24 points  (12 children)

                        Nah, he did good by not having sex with her. This kid's a virgin and losing his virginity with a piece of shit like that and immediately dumping her may bring him some temporary satisfaction but he'll ultimately regret it (considering it probably won't be that great) and may even be traumatic in the long run. I'm not one to think that losing your virginity should be a magical thing but it should at least not be a terrible concoction of emotion fueled by hatred and resentment.

                        [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 16 points17 points  (6 children)

                        Dude, it's not so much the fact of the virginity thing. It's the disrespect. She absolutely and utterly took a massive shit on his masculinity. His ethos as a man. She ruined EVERYTHING these two could have had.

                        She basically did an action that said, "You're so little of a man, that after years I wont fuck you, but I'll easily fuck another guy just weeks after meeting him. I rather give my virginity to some stranger than you."

                        If I were him, I'd still fuck her. I think revenge feels great. I'd fuck her, and make her feel like the huge whore she is. Let it hurt. Treat her bad. Spread rumors.

                        You can't let people walk all over you

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                          [–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                          I feel like that's a cop-out. Sounds a lot like sour grapes. I mean, people will get royally fucked over, and then justify their lack of retaliatory strength as "I'm just being the better man."

                          If you ask me. You have to send messages to others as well as yourself. When someone shits in your territory, you have to have a spine and make them pay for invading your space. You can't let people walk all over you. And when they do, you don't just rationalize why you avoid the conflict. Instead, you take it head on and penalize those who interfered with you.

                          [–]juliusstreicher 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                          I dunno...starting out your sex adventure with a grudge fuck? Interesting to contemplate...

                          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 13 points14 points  (0 children)

                          I know. I was thinking the same thing. That the rest of her pleading should be coming intermittently while she was gargling his nutsack. And then she should lose her 'anal virginity'. And then he should dump her ass, anyway.

                          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                          Yeah, imagine hatefucking her and turning her into an alpha widow that one time. Haha.

                          [–]ThePedanticF0x 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                          Lord God have mercy! This is a God damned gut grinder! I can't imagine how worthless this poor bastard must feel, this is the kind of shock wake up call that sends people to this sub. This is the kind of pain that makes men of boys. Man I feel sorry for this poor sod, I'm tempted to enlighten him.

                          [–]Stationarity 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                          Imagine if they were together for four years, then the guy went away to camp... and came back married to another girl. There would be hell to pay from these commenters.

                          [–]1WidmerBeer 7 points8 points  (4 children)

                          Lesson learned here: Long distance relationships don't work, not even for a few weeks of vacation.

                          TL/DR about me. Girlfriend in Highschool goes on vacation. Comes back and breaks up with me. I know how this guy feels (except the virginity part).

                          A few days is more than enough time for a woman to change their mind about who she 'likes'. Loyalty and Honor don't even make the top 10 list of priorities for a girlfriend. They only realize how low it is on their priority list once the hamster gets tired and has to tie up loose ends.

                          This is also where everyone will tell you NAWALT, and yet we hear the same story over and over... even the virgin who was dating the boy next door since childhood. This story brings me a dark nostalgia feeling because I've been in a similar situation, only to remember the lesson we all must go through to really understand the words behind the meaning of AWALT.

                          [–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                          A few days is more than enough time for a woman to change their mind about who she 'likes'.

                          She wasn't really into you in the first place and just needed an excuse to get out of her comfort zone and finally break up with you.

                          [–]RP_Student 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                          Man this one hurts to read.

                          I personally have a similar story. Not nearly as extreme as this guy but something like it.

                          Get in the gym boys. Its insane how different your life can be just by boosting yourself a point or two on the 1-10 scale and you better believe 15 lbs of muscle (a reasonable amount achievable in 6 months of well planned, high effort lifting) will do just that.

                          [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                          This post slammed me right in the feels... This story is the fucking definition of Red Pill, having your naivety ripped to shreds at a tender age is just so brutal. I pity the girl too, she got used and discarded and you could tell she knew that she fucked up big time. Shit like this makes me glad I'm a man.

                          [–]DuncanMonroe 15 points16 points  (1 child)

                          Someone give this guy the pill. He's ready to be unplugged.

                          [–]daygamer69 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                          If he's truly ready... he will find us. (cue dramatic music)

                          [–]Eenjoy 12 points13 points  (1 child)

                          I actually PM'd this guy. I had almost exactly the same thing happen to me. I was raised in a strong religious household so I know the pressures.

                          I am by no means where I need to be in terms of guiding others on how to be men. I just pressed that he does stick with his family/close friends/close church leaders and to not lie or cover on her behalf. The comments on that sub were atrocious as always calling for him to not tell anyone to save her from "slut shaming" and to take the high road (basically saving her one last time, fuck that)

                          At the very end of my PM I mentioned this thread and to toss out any preconceived notions he has of it. Take it for face value when it comes to the psyche of a man and the psyche of a woman... whether you are religious and believe in creation or secular and believe in evolution.. it is funny how both come to the same conclusions. AWALT

                          [–]Evileddie13 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                          Wow. This post has brought me back to the anger phase...WTF? MAKE ME WAIT....THEN OOOPS...MY BAD, I'LL FUCK YOU TOO. Women are FUCKING crazy.....

                          [–]pencilpusher13 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                          She totally liked the camp kid and thought that it was going to go somewhere and she was prepared to leave OP behind. However, how much you want to bet that night cries at camp were because the camp dude shut her down after they banged and was probably scared off by her neediness. She only wants OP because she can't be alone

                          [–]B_Campbell 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                          I feel for the dude but OP's play by play cracks me up.

                          [–]Sdom1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                          Honestly, she did him a huge favor. This way, he's 18 and free to go about his life with a valuable lesson learned. What if this had happened when he was 35 with three kids? He'd be screwed. And it would have happened eventually.

                          I don't agree that she necessarily wasn't attracted to him. I just think her reputation is more important to her, being in a highly religious community. When this guy kept coming on to her, she probably thought she could get away with a little bang bang and nobody would be the wiser. Then she could go back to playing the good daughter.

                          It's always fun to watch a plan just blow up in someone's face at like 50000 megatons.

                          [–]Ibex3D 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                          God damn. These cheating posts stopped getting to me months ago. I only feel any emotion over the ones that involve getting men expelled, arrested, or fired for them doing doing essentially nothing. But holy hell, this one... I feel for this guy. Shit man... What can you do? AWALT

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                          [–]jewishclaw 8 points9 points  (0 children)

                          As a general rule, the time you catch someone cheating (or anything else), it is unlikely it was the first time. That said, this was probably the first time. Not because she's an oak of virtue, but because it really sounds like she's been very sheltered and there have been logistical hurdles to getting her guts mashed.

                          [–]Newdist2 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                          If she was willing to fuck this random guy at a camp, then she has fucked other dudes before.

                          Disagree. OP and his family and her family have been mate-guarding her since she hit puberty.

                          [–]Gyissan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                          So she basically fucked over her parents, OP's family, OP, and herself, AND ruined her relationship with her family and OP's family. All because she couldn't just keep it in her fucking pants. Mind-boggling.

                          [–]SexistFlyingPig 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                          Inspiration like this is what I need to get off my butt and go lift.

                          [–]2comment 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                          Dude's cousin is also at camp, notices and tells him.

                          Great to see bros before hoes is alive and well.

                          [–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

                          His cousin is a girl, that's the best part.

                          [–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns 11 points12 points  (2 children)

                          Women always have casual sex with random strangers when they travel--it's all about bringing genetic variety back with them when they finally return to the home tribe.

                          This is also why she offered to have sex with her boyfriend as soon as they re-united (it had nothing to do with her feeling contrite): in caveman days, it would have been: 1) have sex with attractive alpha male while briefly visiting faraway tribe, 2) return to home tribe and immediately have sex with caring beta, 3) wait a month while the two sperm armies fight it out amongst each other, 4) get pregnant from the strongest sperm (almost certainly the alpha's), 5) congratulate caring beta on becoming a new father, 6), caring beta raises son of alpha from neighboring tribe as his own, devoting all the time, energy, resources etc at his disposal, never knowing the child is not actually his, and finally 7) women's sexual strategy has been optimized--she got the genes of the attractive warrior alpha (which will in turn make the child more attractive, and so the cycle continues, see "Sexy Sons Hypothesis") and the protection of the caring provider beta, all at the same time. Classic textbook Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks.

                          Check out SPERM WARS by Robin Baker for more on this, fascinating book and required reading for all Red Pillers.

                          (Also, didn't Roosh have a post about this not too long ago? Guy waited years for his virgin girlfriend to give it up to him, she kept putting him off and putting him off, one day girl took a trip to a foreign country and ended up losing her virginity to some random guy like days after they met? Perhaps someone can post a link here in the comments...)

                          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Damn this is sadder than some Disney movie. I feel bad for the guy but he should use this opportunity to build himself.

                          [–]Kenny_Twenty 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                          Thank god thank god thank god that I've learned what I have learned - and also that I'm mostly dead inside now.

                          The girl I lost my V card to ended up cheating on me with a new fuck buddy for the last 6 months of our year and a half relationship.

                          Follow that up with plenty of bluepill behavior over the next five years - had several women lead me on. Denied sex from many. Out-competed by more confident men.

                          I've learned much since then. And much of it the hard way. Although, a significant amount has been from here and I consider that the easy way.

                          Now I am fucking my boss on her boyfriend's bed while he is away on a business trip. I figured out how to behave like a man and I've learned how to fuck like Optimus Prime and now she is absolutely addicted to me. Sexy pics all the time and asks for pics with my shirt off.

                          Also, I'm fucking another co worker regularly. My boss knows about the coworker but not vice-a-versa. My friends thought my boss would get upset and cut me off if she found out but I knew better. I knew it would make her desire me even more, thanks to you guys. Preselection. Now she wants to impress me.

                          [–]unseen1unknown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Best thing is to read these kind of stories before going to the gym.

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                          [–]Hamster_S_Thompson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Yet still no cure for baldness

                          [–]AdonisHera 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          I, like most of you guys read that and had flashbacks to my red pill awakening moment. I had a similar situation, and I felt absolutely awful for the kid. Usually I don't give a fuck, but part of me saw myself within this kid. May god once he unplugs, he's gonna fucking slay. I'm so thankful I read stuff like this before bed. AWALT. Never get attached. Treat them like sluts. Pump and dump till you can't pump and dump no more. Revenge? The best revenge is massive success. The bitch isn't worth his time or effort. I don't even know this kid and I just wanna be there for him. Yeah that sounds gay, but Ive been there and I know how he feels. She created a monster...

                          [–]Tarnsman4Life 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          Guy seems like a good dude if overly idealistic. Hopefully he turns into Chad Jr and fucks every hot chick in college and for the remainder of HS. In time he will regret not fucking all that HS pussy while he had the chance.

                          On the plus side, her SMV has officially peaked. She is no longer a virgin and from here it is all downhill. CC rise in a sorority, lifeless marriage and hopefully shunning by her family for shaming them like this.

                          [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 212 points213 points  (35 children)

                          The important lesson here isn't to understand the guy. Because we get him. We've been him. We know him. He is us and we are him.

                          The important lesson here is to understand the girl.

                          She meets a guy at age 14 and is with him every day for 4 years. It's safe to guess that this church-going, nice girl has never truly gotten involuntarily moist downstairs for a man that she's really and truly attracted to. For her, relationships are like what you see on some teen rom-com TV show. Shmoopy hand-holding, pet names, cuddling in front of the TV. That first kiss being a big deal.

                          Of course sex is off the table. Because you're not supposed to do that until you're grown up, maybe even married. She doesn't know that she's not attracted to her boyfriend, because she's never actually been attracted to a guy before. At least not a guy who's offered. She has no basis for comparison. She genuinely believes this is how it's supposed to be.

                          When a hot, confident guy who knows what he wants hits on her, this is new to her. She probably doesn't get hit on that often. Not because she's not cute, necessarily, but most guys are pussies who are afraid to hit on women. So this is new - and honestly probably pretty uncomfortable. But on some level, it's not uncomfortable just because it's offensive and she has a boyfriend -- it's uncomfortable because she kind of likes it and likes the attention.

                          She's never actually felt that way about a person before. She's finally met a man she's attracted to, and her mind begins to attach extreme emotional significance to these feelings her body is having. When telling her boyfriend, she even describes it as she "had a relationship" with the guy, however brief. Eventually, in the heat of a moment, she says to herself "Oh fuck it" and has sex with the guy, even though she's a virgin who was saving it for her long-term boyfriend that she loves.

                          She's been in the heat of many moments with her boyfriend over the last four years, but was never, ever of a mind to say "oh fuck it" and get lost in the moment with him.

                          Even now, after all of this, she doesn't quite understand what took place. In her mind, this "just happened." She's honestly confused. Because she knows she has a boyfriend of 4 years. She knows she likes him. She just doesn't understand (yet) that she's not attracted to him. Not like that. She really doesn't know why she threw her relationship away (nor does she know that it's for the best and was the right thing to do).

                          To her credit, she confesses. To everything. He didn't know everything, and she could have stopped her story when it became clear he didn't, but she fessed up. She did rationalize a bit "we only had sex once", she offered to have sex with her (now-ex) boyfriend. But she doesn't get it. She'd probably have initiated the break-up herself if the other guy wanted something serious with her, but her mind hasn't even gone there.

                          Her mistake goes far deeper than cheating. She monopolized a guy for four years when she wasn't attracted to him. She used him. He was her time and emotional whore. She didn't mean to do it, but that's what she did, and that was her real crime. The cheating was just a product of who she was and wasn't attracted to. She'll come to understand that and maybe make better choices in the future. But wasting a guy's life for four years? That's rough.

                          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

                          Another important a lesson as it relates to the girl is that ALL females, regardless of age, require constant supervision. Traveling female + remote location + alpha males = someone is getting fucked.

                          This applies to 18 y/o girls at summer camp, college sorority girls, 20-something girls backpacking in Europe and 30+ y/o professional women at offsite sales meetings or on vacation in Jamaica.

                          [–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 29 points30 points  (11 children)

                          She's never actually felt that way about a person before. She's finally met a man she's attracted to, and her mind begins to attach extreme emotional significance to these feelings her body is having. When telling her boyfriend, she even describes it as she "had a relationship" with the guy, however brief. Eventually, in the heat of a moment, she says to herself "Oh fuck it" and has sex with the guy, even though she's a virgin who was saving it for her long-term boyfriend that she loves.

                          This is what scares me as someone dating a girl who's only slept with 2 guys before me and has only had 4 relationships. She sucks my dick on demand and wears lingerie every time we fuck, but she never gets horny. Wet? Yep. But she hasn't gotten horny for a whole year before she met me, and her testosterone levels are low even for a woman. She's 19. I'll never know if she's just unable to feel horny for any guy or if I'm just not sexually attractive enough.

                          She'll break down in tears sometimes because she knows I'm too good for her. I was the high school star athlete, I go to a top 10 school and I'm starting to get aesthetic. She has 0 self esteem. So definitely, she sees me as impressive. But as far as tingles go? I'm not sure.

                          When a hot, confident guy who knows what he wants hits on her, this is new to her. She probably doesn't get hit on that often. Not because she's not cute, necessarily, but most guys are pussies who are afraid to hit on women. So this is new - and honestly probably pretty uncomfortable. But on some level, it's not uncomfortable just because it's offensive and she has a boyfriend -- it's uncomfortable because she kind of likes it and likes the attention.

                          That's exactly it. She's not attracted to him on that sexual level. She's a teenager - more likely than not she's insecure, afraid, and he provides stability and safety. That's why the marriage talk. That's why she's not fucking him.

                          Her mistake goes far deeper than cheating. She monopolized a guy for four years when she wasn't attracted to him. She used him. He was her time and emotional whore. She didn't mean to do it, but that's what she did, and that was her real crime. The cheating was just a product of who she was and wasn't attracted to. She'll come to understand that and maybe make better choices in the future. But wasting a guy's life for four years? That's rough.

                          Honestly, he might not feel like he was used. I remember before I got jaded, I wanted more than just sex - I wanted companionship, someone to love, someone to love me back, a lot of teenage boys want sex and love. So to say his time was completely wasted, maybe not. He got something from her, and although he had an idealised version of her fit for marriage, he wasn't completely being used.

                          Hell, I would've loved having a girlfriend in high school, even without sex for the social status it brings, for the ability to focus on more important shit now that I'm getting some of my emotional needs met. Think about all the time a teenage boy wastes on sappy shit trying to win a girl over. I still get disgusted by what I did.

                          [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 57 points58 points  (2 children)

                          It doesn't matter how awesome you are. Attraction isn't a voluntary thing. The right guy doing the right things in the right way can sometimes make a woman feel attraction. And sometimes women feel attraction spontaneously based on a guy's looks or something else about him.

                          The very fact that you are with a girl currently costs you a few points. Agreeing to date someone? Be exclusive? That alone sacrifices some of your power and options.

                          Never stop improving, but don't do it for her. You're improving for you. You have a mission in life. She's just along for the ride. You'll graciously let her hitch her wagon to yours, but the second her wagon gets heavy and inconvenient, you'll cut her loose, so she'd better damn well make sure her wagon is carrying something you want in your life.

                          Because there's always someone better, and that someone better might decide to slum it up with your girl, and she'll notice he's better and might make a bad choice. And it's her choice to make. You don't own her. She's not yours. It's just your turn.

                          I suppose it's a very generous and optimistic way to look at this guy's situation, to say that he "got something" out of his four year relationship. Glass half full and all. He definitely got something. But is what he got better than what he would have gotten had he spent the past four years dating a different girl, or multiple different girls, who were actually into him and not just clinging to him out of ignorance and insecurity? Or all that time and attention and energy he devoted to her - couldn't he have put that somewhere more productive? Yeah, he didn't get nothing out of this, but did he really get the best possible deal for his time? Time he'll never get back?

                          [–]cariboo_j 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                          And it's her choice to make. You don't own her. She's not yours. It's just your turn.

                          I agree with you. But that's hard to reconcile with investing anything in an LTR. There's always some sacrifice the man has to make. Men expect future compensation and loyalty for past investment in an LTR. (Yeah yeah, that's incorrect, AWALT). But if you don't expect any, why bother?

                          [–]flamethrowup 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                          And to add to /u/Requi3m 's comment, why are you still with this girl? She has zero self esteem, which makes it likelier she'll cheat on you; she doesn't measure up to you, which means you can get a better deal elsewhere; and most importantly, she's not that attracted to you (if she were, you'd know). That last part means that when she encounters someone she thinks is hotter than you, she'll either dump you or cheat on you if she gets the chance. And even if she doesn't, if you discover in her past that she felt the kind animal desire for previous partners that you somehow don't inspire, it'll crush your self-esteem no matter how red pilled you are. You're setting yourself up to be either cheated on or be that guy from the relationships thread who realized his wife got more excited for a guy who "forced" sex acts on her than she ever did for her own husband.

                          [–]Schrodingersdawg[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                          Honestly? Easy sex.

                          I'm not 21 - can't go out and do anything at the clubs or bars. She's just a placeholder until I get jacked and can actually match with girls on tinder.

                          [–]BrunoOh 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                          You might not be fucking her right.

                          [–]Sdom1 13 points14 points  (6 children)

                          Remember that you're constructing this narrative, and you sound like you don't have a lot of experience with highly religious communities. I do, and let me put forth my own to compare:

                          She may have tingles for the ex-boyfriend, but the risk to her reputation is too high for her to let him fuck her, especially considering how intertwined their families are.

                          This is really common with girls from highly religious communities. It's not that she's unwilling, or unattracted, it's just that the penalties are too damned high if she's found out. But for a guy from the outside that is discreet? It's oftentimes shockingly easy, they just have to trust that you're not a blabbermouth and that you seem experienced.

                          She probably thought she could get away with it in the heat of the moment, and later realized that his cousin was at camp and it could get out. So, she makes a tearful, halfway confession (we just hung out) and when she realizes he has evidence and knew there was more, she cracked and offered up way too much info. If she had more experience, she probably could have said they kissed and he would have bought it and gotten past it.

                          Then, realizing she's in the deep water with no life jacket, she begs and throws pussy at him in a last ditch effort to stop everything from coming out. Note that the only thing that really changed was her risk assessment. Now, fucking him carries a lower level of risk, so that's what she offers.

                          EDIT: Honestly, if he weren't so hurt by it, I'd recommend he take the pussy deal and milk it for all it's worth. When they go away to school, they can break up and claim it was the distance. But, he gets laid for a year nonstop.

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                            [–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                            She's now in a real tough situation too, because she has to explain to her religious family that she broke up with her "future husband" because she fucked a random guy at camp.

                            Except she won't. It will be his fault, and she will make up some bullshit to maintain her rep. Best thing this guy could do is calmly tell everyone in church the truth of it.

                            [–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 14 points15 points  (4 children)

                            My God man, you make it sound as if these two were married. Your understanding and rendition of the female hamster is really something to behold.

                            However, there is no good evidence that she was not attracted to him. One might assume she was more attracted to Chad but why do we assume she was not attracted to him. Had Beta boy taken the bull by the horns and pushed the issue (like every single previous generation in human history before the very recent 'rape culture' hysteria) then I am sure they would have been married and had 3 kids before she cucked him.

                            [–]TRP VanguardArchwinger 37 points38 points  (3 children)

                            Had Beta boy taken the bull by the horns and pushed the issue (like every single previous generation in human history before the very recent 'rape culture' hysteria) then I am sure they would have been married and had 3 kids before she cucked him.

                            That's a very fair point. In fact, part of the reason her current boyfriend wasn't attractive was very likely his willingness to tuck his tail between his legs, time and time again, never hold his ground, never stick his neck out for what he wanted -- all while thinking he was doing exactly what she wanted him to do, thereby earning her love.

                            She didn't consciously understand that she was shit testing him, mind you. She just did what she was supposed to do, which was attempt to avoid sex. And he failed the unconscious test. Had he responded the way he was supposed to, which was to be honest with himself and her about what he really wanted and about the value he was really getting out of the relationship (read: not rape her, but also not stick around in a four-year relationship where he wanted something she didn't), she'd probably have fucked him, and probably wouldn't have regretted it.

                            She might still have fucked the other guy at camp, but that's how attraction works. Her boyfriend was unattractive, so she treated him like women treat unattractive men. Like a time whore.

                            [–]lightfire409 5 points6 points  (2 children)

                            Beautiful post. And to the men scolding her for doing this, realize that it was inevitable. These teen relationship often end like this.

                            Women are reactionary in nature. I don't blame her as 95% of women in that scenerio would secumn to those feelings of actual intense desire which they have never experienced before.

                            [–]flamethrowup 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                            secumn

                            I laughed. You mean "succumb."

                            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

                            The important lesson here is to understand the girl.

                            This is why you are an endorsed poster.

                            [–]mygodimpathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            TIL: Archwinger might actually be a 17 year old girl trapped in a man's body.

                            Seriously though, you hit the nail on the head man.

                            Her mistake goes far deeper than cheating. She monopolized a guy for four years when she wasn't attracted to him.

                            Happens so often before RP. Had a friend who also dated a very religious, "good" girl who dragged him on for years for sex. Only to lose to her virginity less than 2 weeks after she broke up with him to some random dbag.

                            [–]TheDialecticParadox 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                            I genuinely find it uncomfortable to read things from the hamster's perspective. It's like reading from the perspective of a child.

                            [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                            Radical notion women are people blah blah blah.

                            AWALT means they have the CAPABILITY and INCENTIVE as well as validation from society to cheat, divorce rape and steal your children , accuse of false rape ect.

                            Back in the day the institution of marriage protected men from this, as well as protected women from themselves and shitty husbands(lets assume All Men Are Not Like That on the basis patriarchy won't work as well as it did and because men don't have a pussy pass they will be condemed by society. So AMANLT is real.)

                            Today however we need protect ourselves , this mean women should be treated as AWALT.

                            They are good for three thing only: 1. Childrearing. A young virgin woman who knows nothing else but the love for her children. She must come from a strong family with a masculine father and a traditional, loving, feminine mother who married and commited as a virgin. ( if your not the type of man who can handle the struggles of this choice , don't fucking attempt to do it. Strong, masculine family men are as rare as the type of woman described above. And you probably aren't the type.)

                            1. Friendship and companionship. this can be any woman. AWALT doesn't destroy capability for friendship. Not the same friendship as a bro but still nice just for casual shit and fun. I have a close friend who is also an ex.

                            2. For fucking and fucking only. This can be combined with number 2. and yes, you can watch Netflix and cuddle.

                            Follow these rules and enjoy life. Or disregard them and put your life in the hands of a woman.

                            [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                            I love Chad. He is doing God's work. I hope this young lad breaks free and lives a life full of pussy and free of obligation.

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                            [–]IronMeltsinmyHands 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                            This guy, good guy, played his part in the girl's dollhouse. She picked his clothes, his job, his college, his major, she basically plotted out every little detail of this niggas life right down to the box to bury him in.

                            How is that exciting? Squirrels are not exciting. You know what is? A fucking jaguar. It's different, it's got teeth. All the more to eat you with right?

                            Anyway, you don't want to be a fuckup? Don't be part of a woman's dollhouse. Don't let her assign you a part, no matter how big or small.

                            Wreck that shit. And then go to your boy's place and call her sister.

                            [–]VictorEremitaK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                            Try to read the comments yourself instead of the comments OP cherry picked. Everyone agrees he should move on.

                            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            I'm all too familiar with some of these church going women, I was in a similar scenario with one, she wouldn't let me go any farther than cuddling (and I accepted it) but one day she couldn't control her feelz and randomly hooked up with some dude.

                            She's been out of my life for almost three years now :)

                            [–]1raceAround126 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            His story hit home with me. A bit too near for my liking. I feel bad for the dude, he really got used. This girl really did a number on him.

                            At least he didn't marry it and find out she was like this afterwards.

                            [–]Drenmar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                            That whole thread made me cringe.

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