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Red Pill TheoryAnalysis of story: “My girlfriend got beaten up and raped. I broke up with her right after she told me. This is what happened:” (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by PerplexingPegasus_

ANALYSIS

This 4 chan post was a cause of discussion because of the mixed feelings it generated. Some argued what the OP of this post did was justifiable while others argued it was a form of manipulation and lack of morality. I won’t be discussing whether or not his choice was morally just as that conversation doesn’t belong here in this sub.

Instead, I went over this in a RP sense and try to dissect as much as I can in my analysis of the story. Though the legitimacy of this story is in question, this is my personal breakdown of the story.


Dating girlfriend for 7 months.

It’s just your turn for the past 7 months.

she wants to go this sleazy club with her friend.

Red Flag #1 She wants to go a sleazy club with that friend, not OP. The fact she brought this up means she was planning to go, but needed a reason to rationalize going. Added in the fact the club scene is a main part of hookup culture, hypergamy and possibly branch swinging are coming into play.

I told her I didn’t want her to go

MATE GUARDING Biggest turn off in the minds of females. Shows a scarcity mentality and lack of abundance while showing she has a higher SMV than OP. Shows you are lacking the IDGAF that would be evident with abundance. But you can also spin it as OP thinking about the general well-being of said GF in LTR (but we know the female hamster won’t interpret it like this).You can see the conversation goes downhill because of this statement.

Had an argument about it. She was like “You don’t own me and I can do what I want.” and that bullshit.

LOSS OF FRAME Engaged in argument. Never engage in arguments with women, they’re individuals that feed off emotionally charged conversations, THEIR LOGIC IS A BYPRODUCT OF THEIR FEELING IN THE MOMENT. “You don’t own me and I can do what I want”- she’s not yours, it’s just your turn in clear writing.

Told her if she went I’m breaking up with her

NUCLEAR OPTION

Wasn’t able to change S/O mind in argument and basically gave the ultimatum. Basically a do or die attempt to regain power in the relationship that was drastically being shifted towards the GF. If used correctly, can illustrate abundance mentality but in this case it was used a way to mate guard/scarcity mentality.

She said she wouldn’t go and dropped it.

Sudden change of resistance proves she didn’t drop it, just dropped OP and the conversation.

Saturday came.

Haven’t heard from her all day.

You already know why. Hypergamy in progress. Dread being applied by OP GF.

At 4AM on Sunday she calls me crying

Random or sudden change in emotions whether it be positive or negative are another red flag to be cautious of. In OPs case, after a day of no contact prior to argument is definitely a huge one.

She says she got raped and beat up

No one should be raped and/or beat up. In this case, this statement was used to invoke white knight feelings in OP.

She went to the club anyway. Apparently she left alone with some guy and his friend to go to a party. They took her somewhere and beat her up and raped her.

Poor decision making leads to the unfortunate

She went to the club with said friend after saying she wouldn’t. Found two males that fit her criteria of AF and proceeded to leave. The unfortunate happened and she ended up raped and traumatized. OP wanted to avoid this altogether by her not going to said club. This is sadly the result of poor judgement. Friend is also to be in question as well.

Had many feelings about this, none of them positive.

Nothing surprising here. OP GF lied to him, went behind his back and did the opposite of what she said. She left with two other males and ended up getting raped. All these being processed at once would leave most in disarray.

I told her if she went to the club I’d leave her and I told her we were over.

OP stayed true to his nuclear option of leaving her. He held frame in accordance to his statement.

She started freaking out and saying she needs me now and she was sorry.

OP ex had to go through this incident to realize what he was doing for her own safety. As tragic as it is, if she never went through this, there most likely would never be a conversation of her going to the club or ever apologizing. This only came out because she needs him at the moment.

Told her to never call me again.

Follow through of nuclear option. No contact applied.

Have been getting rabid hate from her friends and my friends think I was way too cold.

Female shame tactics being applied to OP even though he stated what would happen if she went to the club and white knight friends also taking the side of ex after everything.

She broke my trust, went somewhere I said not to, probably was going to end up cheating on me anyway and got raped and beaten over it and I’m suppose to feel sorry for her.

What OP said above are indeed good points. It’s pretty fucked up knowing OP doesn’t feel bad for her but at the same time he’s not obligated to. He gave his reasons why he doesn’t feel bad and his conclusion was that she willing to do the opposite of everything he advised not to do, she isn’t entitled to his empathy.

EDITED FOR REPOST


[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (6 children)

This is a good article, but its use of the word "deserve" in two places crosses the line into discussing morality, which we don't do here.

I have to remove it, but I would like to see it this reworked so I can approve it.

/u/PerplexingPegasus_ ?

[–]Pilliam66 376 points377 points  (49 children)

No one is entitled to anyone's sympathy. When you go against someone's advice and end up worse off for it, you are even less entitled to their sympathy. There's no reason that he should have to deal with the consequences of her bad decisions. He said he'd leave her if she went. She went. She left with two guys she doesn't know, presumably hoping for something sexual. Something sexual happened, just not the sexual thing she wanted. He left her. Perfectly fair.

[–]donkey_democrat 51 points52 points  (0 children)

OP gave enough attention and care towards her when he advised her not to go, even engaging in blue pill methods to stop her. That's enough on his part.

[–]hombreliberado 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Right on. He has ZERO responsibility for her consequences. Personally, I would have handled it like, “look, the human part of me feels really bad that happened to you, and I wish that would never happen to anyone. It just sucks. But the relationship side of me was betrayed. You broke trust, and now the consequences follow.✌️”

[–]JLHumor 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I didn't get to read the story before he deleted it. Its possible she just lied about the stuff that happened since she knew he was upset with her going.

[–]tolerantman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's true, the OP didn't owe her anything, including emotional support.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 94 points95 points  (17 children)

Even if he wasn't mate guarding, the relationship was already done. As soon as she suggested going clubbing, it was over. Mate guarding is really only significant when you aren't in a relationship with someone, and this is especially why relationships tend to fall apart more easily than FWBs - you become more invested even when you try not to be.

If that story is even true, he did the right thing by leaving. It seems like a nuclear option, but you really can't go lightly in a relationship. If you relent even just a bit it's over. You might say abundance mentality and indifference helps, but then you'd be better off running these girls as plates. Why bother with relationships at that point?

There's the difference between plating and relationships - establishing boundaries and values. With plates, you shouldn't care what they do, although if they're too slutty for you, you should probably drop them.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillcad 30 points31 points  (2 children)

With plates, you shouldn't care what they do And its adorable the way they try so hard to make you care

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    [–]bipedalsentient 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It's very much possible, and tbh I don't think it's that rare as you say it is.

    [–]anderson916 5 points6 points  (8 children)

    So I guess since my SO goes out with her friends sometimes, it's over? Or was it over when she simply suggested it? Jesus Christ...

    [–]ShikajiCZ 25 points26 points  (4 children)

    If you tell your SO that you dont like her to go clubbing and she goes on saturday night behind your back, after not writing you all day long, leaves the club at 3 am and goes to another party with 2 dudes she doesnt know then yes, it should be over.

    [–]anderson916 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    "As soon as she suggested going clubbing, it was over" is what I was referring to. Not the entire string of events.

    [–]Meisner1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    The point is, always assume AWALT

    [–]RedLegendx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It is over because literally you go to a club to find someone to fuck or have something sexual of some sort, hypergamy bro, she was looking to branch swing. Next thing you know she’s cheating and dumps your beta ass for the Chad she met at the club.

    [–]Andrew54321 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    No if and only if friends were vetted females. Which is pretty much automatic if SO was vetted properly.

    [–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Actually, it was over BEFORE she suggested it.

    [–]simplisticallysimple 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Honestly, I'd have ghosted her if she even brought it up. It shows that I had failed in screening for the right type of girl for commitment. I'd be too disappointed in myself to do anything, let alone mate-guard like a beta male.

    Plating is good but hookups are better. In huge, high-density cities like LA/NY/SF/Seattle, even plating is too much trouble. Just pump and dump as required or if you must plate no more than 1-2 months, and move on.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    That's practical advice, but sometimes you just like to keep a piece longer than a one night stand. If the effort to plate isn't significant, it might be worth the trouble.

    But if takes more effort than what its worth, then yeah, best to forget about it.

    [–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    The longer you keep them around, the more they want your commitment and in my experience start to ration sex or demand something "in return" for sleeping with you continuously. Too much trouble for me at least

    [–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    All relationships must come to an end some way or another. When you state definitively that there will be no commitment on your end though, she'll either stick around or leave. If she leaves, there's no loss there as you were just getting what you needed from the interactions and nothing more.

    Now if you're having to work to keep a plate... that's a different story. Plates should be minimal effort at best.

    [–]druluna 77 points78 points  (9 children)

    There was another post of this where he said she was beat to hell, black eye bruises etc. But he also said she wouldnt have those if shed listened. With what happened he figured that if they ever disagreed on things she would always go behind his back and disrespect him like that. He saw that and wisely decided to leave.

    [–]albino_red_head 36 points37 points  (6 children)

    you have to wonder what really transpired. It seems very very unlikely that a girl leaves to go to a party with two guys she just met and they up and decided to beat her to hell and rape her. Unless this all went down in germany at a club with lots of violent immigrants etc. I just don't see it happening out of the blue. Perhaps they or one of them advanced and she simply declined? My mind, maybe wrong, goes in the direction that she'd already F-ed them both and she got spooked afterward and caused a scene or maybe got caught by one of their gf's or something. I mean, she called at damn 4am. You've long left the club at that point and have been doing something for a while.

    [–]druluna 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Yeah could be that they had gfs there and they beat her down lol. Either way not her ex bf fault she doubled down on stupid behaviour and got snake eyes and a black eye for it

    [–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Just because it’s not plausible to you means it probably didn’t happen? We’re commenting on a story that’s been presented. We have no way to confirm anything further; anything could have happened.

    [–]albino_red_head 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    "you have to wonder what really transpired" (because it's not plausible). that's my main message. Also, lucky for us we don't have to guess, she had consensual rough sex with the two guys and decided she regretted it and made up the rape claim to explain her bruises and guild her BF into staying.

    [–]DarkTriadDetector 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Are we sure this is the same girl and guys?

    [–]hombreliberado 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That’s possible too. Rape is serious and you definitely can’t properly judge the situation in good conscience with the info we have here.

    [–]Meisner1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Can you link the other post? Cause this one is deleted.

    [–]druluna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I found it on a google search but it took awhile. I took a screenshot. Though looks like reddit doesnt like this topic if they keep removing it.

    [–]H42 118 points119 points  (26 children)

    What girlfriend?

    As soon as she stepped into the club, she was single, and so was he. She made her choice after being warned, "Told her if she went I’m breaking up with her"

    Since he no longer had a GF, what's the big deal? He owes her nothing.

    If she wants an emotional tampon, she can cry to the girl that went to the club with her.

    [–]zyqkvx 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    I don't know. If you want to rationalize it that way why not. The big problem I see is if he stayed with her she'd be the same person, but now also constantly sucking the life out of the boyfriend with this new rape thing. I don't see my purpose as a man to change the diapers of a shit bitch.

    [–]MrInternetDetective 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Phrasing it like this.....what is he even supposed to do if he stayed to help? He would be in a trustless, sexless, endless relationship until he broke her heart and had the same friends harass and emotionally shaming him. And it would still be all her fault, with none of the blame.

    [–]a_turtle_on_fire 160 points161 points  (14 children)

    Turns out it wasn't rape, and was just her regretting being a slut. In the process of hamstering her way out of it, she got the two males who had consensual sex with her kicked out of school. This woman literally lied under oath in a court of law, to try and get away with hypergamy. That is why hypergamy is dangerous. In the mind of a female it reigns supreme as their directive. Nothing else is absolute.

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/05/former-college-student-who-claimed-rape-admits-it-was-all-lies/

    Edit: Thanks for the gold, just trying to do my part in exposing the very real dangers of the female psych.

    [–]PerplexingPegasus_[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

    Well look at this. She lied. This is why rape allegations are the ultimate destroyers of lives. Life’s jeopardized without fair trialing plus a lifetime of reputation damage.

    [–]idgaf- 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    Damn, those boys still kicked out of school. Sucks.

    [–]bipedalsentient 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Yup still ruined people's lives, all with lies...

    [–]Dehryll 12 points13 points  (0 children)

    Never saw that one coming

    /s

    [–]ncstaterepted 17 points18 points  (2 children)

    To the top! Do we know this was her?

    [–]thetompain 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    This is not the same person. One was at a club, the other a frat party.

    [–]ncstaterepted 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Ok.. Well at least now we know. Thanks

    [–]KaKa42 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    How can you tell its the same girl?

    [–]bountyhunterdjango 15 points16 points  (2 children)

    It's not. Ironically, this is just something that fits his narrative.

    [–]KaKa42 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Oh yeah, but its claiming it is.

    [–]bountyhunterdjango 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Oh yeah I'm with you, fucking awful and dishonest.

    [–]RedLegendx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I’m bout to throw my phone, been reading all the beta comments and raging at those then I read this lmao AWALT.

    [–]robbiss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Thanks for news clipping....to get the other side of the story.

    [–]AmazingAstronaut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This isn't even the same person lmao

    [–]DailyManliness 138 points139 points  (6 children)

    This story is getting huge for two simple reasons, it reaffirms the ideas 1. Listen to your man when he gives advice or makes a request 2. Don’t be a hoe. Both of these things used to be understood and were not disregarded lightly. In the new feminist/“you go girl” era women seek to ignore those two points wholeheartedly. This is all a fight, as most things are now adays, about how things used to be vs how women want them to be. The story is a tale of warning to modern women who want to openly branch swing. In a minor way, the guy sticking to his decision, is a great example of holding frame. We can all spot numerous errors he made, but following through on what he said is noteworthy. I’d imagine all of those things are making women nervous since they want to promote open cucking and weak men.

    [–]PerplexingPegasus_[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    All starts at home with parents. Parents set boundaries, they see it as oppressive. Backed by a feminist movement that basically categorizes male leadership as dictatorship and women know better or more than men.

    The formula creates radical women.

    [–]AlexDD2 57 points58 points  (0 children)

    They wouldn't understand the logic of it because of their feelings.

    [–]CC_ee 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Listen to your man when he gives advice or makes a request

    If they listened to the average man shit would still end badly. OP clearly not in the position to be telling them what to do he doesn't know shit like most.

    [–]DailyManliness 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Completely agreed. “Men” now adays might even promote women’s shitty behavior out of fear of not looking open minded. Obviously I meant my statements in terms of just the natural genetic order of things, where men have not lost their way. Ultimately though returning that balance to male/female interactions may also return men to who they are as well. You didn’t need to tell a caveman to be a caveman, the world just dictated it

    Women are not the gender designed to say “this is happening, deal with it”

    [–]The_Chiselnator 380 points381 points  (36 children)

    There was no rape. This BS is so overdone that nobody believes it any more. She got fucked, got regretsy, decided that the best way to avoid getting found out was to turn herself into a huge victim.

    "Fuck off" is the only thing for OP to say here.

    [–]Math_Baller 23 points24 points  (0 children)

    Totally agree. The hamster is so strong; she realizes, 12 hours too late that sleeping with some random sketchy Chad wasn't a totally genius decision, so now she rationalizes it to save face.

    [–][deleted] 87 points88 points  (21 children)

    Guarantee if he'd reacted like a "good boyfriend" he'd show up to her having trashed her own room and applied runny makeup without any evidence of struggle on her body and an even larger hamster wheel.

    [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 105 points106 points  (20 children)

    You forgot to mention Chad and Darrell's cum dripping out of her vag. OP blew the lead up completely but nailed the ending.

    [–][deleted]  (17 children)

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      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 55 points56 points  (3 children)

      'My girl doesn't go to dive bars alone.'

      That's it. Your have your frame, she is either in it or she's not.

      The trick is to mean it and follow through. If she's not replaceable, then your boundaries are as impotent as you are.

      [–]halfback910 21 points22 points  (2 children)

      Anyone who goes to a dive bar is either a skank or a raging alcoholic.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRian_Stone 18 points19 points  (1 child)

      My hunting ground in my pua days were looking for girls. In a Goth dive bar. Any girl. Not. Dressed In black is on a dick safari

      [–]2comment 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      All the goth girls I knew would have all qualified as expert tour guides.

      [–]Forcetobereckonedwit 38 points39 points  (5 children)

      " You're going where? To do what exactly? That's rhetorical...listen love, you're becoming just another hoe. I don't date hoes. Do the math. I'll be around, if you make the right decision.

      The problem is that if your gal shows interest in crap like that, it's already too late really. It's like if she asked "Hey BF, let's hit the club. I'll dress as slutty as I can, shake my fruit for all the other guys in front of you, get too drunk and probably start a fight with you to show my freedom in public and so I can maybe storm off and suck dick. Don't worry, I'll apologize in the morning and we can go ahead with our love." What can you do except cut it right there?

      [–]MavRP 24 points25 points  (0 children)

      The problem is that if your gal shows interest in crap like that, it's already too late really.

      Agreed. You are past the point of no return for an LTR.

      [–]thepontiff_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The first part of this post 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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        [–]Meisner1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Keep copy and pasting that shit...

        [–]1Metalageddon 14 points15 points  (2 children)

        enjoy yourself. Not my style. Smile then flash a moment of disgust.

        Should be enough. It has been for my relations.

        [–]mywifeson 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        Literally the teleports behind you “nothing personnel kid” of TRP advice LOL

        I like this sub and the way it helped me but some of you make me cringe so hard with the front you put on for strangers over the internet LOL

        [–]1Metalageddon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Meh. Enjoy yourself. Not my style.

        My point is, what more is there to be said? She can have fun. It doesn't work for me. No need to go further to deer it up. Just move on.

        I find it odd that you haven't met people just like this. They're everywhere. At least in my experience.

        [–]doorfly 19 points20 points  (3 children)

        Taking a stab here - "I don't want to go but you can go. Have fun"

        [–]Youngyoda89 16 points17 points  (1 child)

        I don’t think op was invited in the first place so that one isn’t applicable.

        [–]MillionaireSexbomb 13 points14 points  (0 children)

        You just say “alright” kick her out and make other plans in that instance. Her mind is made up, no point in resisting just move along.

        [–]anderson916 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        That makes too much sense. I don't think the majority of people here have been in an actual relationship, let alone actually said any of these things to anyone.

        [–]PM_ME_UR_NAKED_TITS 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        This, I was surprised OP left this out. She definitely jusr had sex with some random dudes then claimed it was rape.

        [–]2johnnight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If she had bruises from getting beaten up, then there was rape. This is a separate issue from her willingly going from the club to a shady party with unknown men = the relationship was dead and she was fishing for a new guy.

        [–]RedPilledRoaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The comment I was looking for.

        [–]TheDevilsAdvokaat[🍰] 33 points34 points  (2 children)

        There was a post in another thread saying she's since been exposed as a liar and it was indeed not rape.

        [–]Memeandmesomemore 88 points89 points  (5 children)

        I hate women like that.

        Sounds just like my ex-wife.

        That's why she's now "ex".

        [–]DandBPrime 57 points58 points  (4 children)

        "Wife" is where you made the mistake.

        [–]Youngyoda89 55 points56 points  (0 children)

        We’re not all natural RP’s; have to find this place somehow.

        [–]Memeandmesomemore 15 points16 points  (0 children)

        I agree, but I was young and a bit blue behind the ears.

        I did however wake up and throw her out.

        I'm calling that the beginning of my red period, since it's a form of art.

        [–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I'm so happy to see this comment upvoted. There was a time on TRP where anything anti-marriage was heavily downvoted, as if right or wrong was a democracy.

        [–]re4d3 26 points27 points  (1 child)

        The more one reads these topics, the clearer it is that the only proper way to go was to slip young unspoiled females from father's control under husband's control and to take an extended family and village to keep it. More, when burdened with kids and household duties, they used their time and energy to something useful, like raising kids and keeping the home together. Without imposing natural duties onto them, they all default to whoring. Like someone told: run the engine at 5000 rpm with no load and burn it; burden it with useful work and it will serve well.

        [–]BewareTheOldMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        "... the only proper way to go was to slip young, unspoiled females from father's control to under husband's control and to take an extended family and village to keep it."

        That used to be the basic and acceptable format YEARS AGO and long before the 1960s Sexual Revolution, feminism, recreational drugs, and "free love" was a thing. The 1940s domestic marriage was good for women, but as a collective they decided against it and are much worse off for their decision.

        "...[women] used their time and energy to something useful, like raising kids and keeping the home together."

        These days you have women who consider marriage, childrearing, domestic duties/homemaking as "slavery." A while back I was in "discussion" with a hardcore, staunch, and over-the-top feminist who used that analogy...being married to a Good Man is slavery. Imagine that.

        That - and if these women are looking "to settle," they usually show up dragging another man's kid(s) and are angry and frustrated when Good Men say "No thanks."

        [–]Starcruiser28 101 points102 points  (5 children)

        Did she go to the cops? Did she file a report?

        I bet no on both counts, she is playing the victim card since she was regretting the experience and was worried he was going to find out she went to the club and he threatened to dump her if she went. Totally backfired in her face. She got what she deserved in either case (raped or not) since she lied to him and placed herself into a situation that possibly turned out bad. Well it actually did now didn't it?

        OP Feeling bad about what happened (Or possibly happened) is one thing, this does not absolve her of her responsibility and actions. Always thinking they know better and can do what they want then come running back when it blows up in their faces. I have seen this too many times already.

        [–]Grimsterr 79 points80 points  (1 child)

        Did she go to the cops? Did she file a report?

        Exactly the questions I just had "raped huh? Did she go to the cops?"

        Went after ultimatum delivered? Break up.

        Left with two guys? Break up, ultimatum or no ultimatum.

        Raped? Ouch, sorry to hear that, no one deserves that, hope the criminals are brought to justice, but still, see previous sentences, have a nice life.

        [–]vicious_armbar 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        Did she go to the cops? Did she file a report?

        This is the only valid response to a woman telling you "I was raped". A police report along with a official investigation and conviction. Otherwise I'm assuming that it was consensual. Even then I'd never date a woman who claimed that she was raped. Either she's lying and I could be the target of her next false accusation, or she's telling the truth in which case she has serious trauma that I'm not qualified to handle.

        [–]duntoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Yep. Women won't hesitate to go to the police to report their car getting stolen. But rape? Who has time for that!

        If it's not serious enough to go to the police, it was never serious at all.

        [–]Self-honest 42 points43 points  (2 children)

        Been there bro. There was no rape. She might have fucked two guys at once and let it get a little rough. He made the right call. "You know I don't date girls that go clubbing." Would have been a better way to phrase it. Then dump her if she does anything other than back down immediately.

        [–]albino_red_head 14 points15 points  (1 child)

        rape might have been the excuse she needed to return home with bruises.

        [–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (3 children)

        Scenario B: She got pounded out by two dudes from the club and things got a little rough.

        "I have to explain these bruises. I really regret doing this. Like... super seriously regret it. If I'm regretting it now though, then why did I ever do it? I mean, why would I do something that makes me feel bad later? I wouldn't, right? And I was pretty drunk. Omg... did I ever want this at all? No, I don't think I did. I think this means they took advantage of me. I think I was raped. I was definitely raped. Obviously."

        [–]22Luika 16 points17 points  (0 children)

        Holy fucking shit.

        Best hamster example i've ever read.

        [–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        We laugh, but this is exactly how a woman thinks.

        Edit: and usually their friends will add fuel to the fire, which pushes them over the edge and validates their hamstering.

        [–]2comment 19 points20 points  (0 children)

        He did the right thing.

        I think some strategic mate guarding is fine as long as backed up by consequences, like it was here.

        Ultimately she proved herself right: her body, her choice, her problem. Hope she enjoys independence.

        [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

        The comments on the original post and twitter threads will lead some men to question why they think the way they do and others to dig their heels in further as an opportunity to be a good boy for women.

        Women and boys accept responsibility, but only when it serves their interest. It's a genetic survival mechanism to preserve oneself through in-group support. You can see this on large in the political scene through the constant emotional masturbation and recreational outrage.

        [–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 31 points32 points  (2 children)

        Never engage in arguments with women, they’re individuals that feed off emotionally charged conversations,

        The guy did well here - he calmly said "I don't want you to go" and told her the consequences if she did. You can be stoic and set boundaries, which happened in this case.

        No woman deserves to be raped and/or beat up. In this case, this statement was used to invoke white knight feelings in OP.

        Exactly. "I fucked up, how can I make this look like it wasn't my fault and have him not dump me? I know, rape".

        The unfortunate happened and she ended up raped and traumatized.

        OP - please don't accept this as fact just because she said so. Or because an image on 4chan says so. Some of this story may be true, but there's big questions over this part of it. Especially given her strong motive for lying in this case.

        There is also the fact that (even if true as presented), she put herself in a very risky position. The guy in the story shouldn't have to bear the consequences of that, any more than I could go to a girlfriend and say "yeah, turns out when you try to cheat with someone's wife the husband sometimes shoots you... now look after me for the next 6 months while I recover after trying to cheat on you, and by the way this is going to involve a lot of crying and not much sex because I was shot in the balls, but you'll look after me won't you?"

        It’s pretty fucked up knowing OP doesn’t feel bad for her

        He likely does, but he did the right thing. She got hurt (if she did indeed get hurt) trying to cheat on him. This isn't the basis on which you support someone.

        [–]PerplexingPegasus_[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        OP - please don’t accept this fact just because she said so.

        I definitely agree. I’m just looking with accordance of the story. I wanted to leave my personal speculation and just look at everything as presented.

        [–]Marijuana_Kid 24 points25 points  (0 children)

        Okay so maybe I'm an asshole or cold but how is it fucked up? You have a BF, very easy to not get into these situations and remain with friends. Leaving with guy you just met? LOL fuck her

        [–]1RPLawyer 20 points21 points  (1 child)

        "Don't put your hand in the fire"

        "Ima strung imdepandant waman noo man telll meeee waaa to dooooo"

        *puts hand in fire

        "Omg dis is hurt so baaddd feel sorry 4 meeeeee"

        "Told you bitch now get out"

        " lik Oh mah gawd ur such a assholl ima tell all mah frienzzzzz"

        [–]VanityKings 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        Let's see... Girl tells boyfriend she is going clubbing in a shady part of town, boyfriend is against it and warns her relationship was over if she went.
        Girl says she won't go, lies and goes anyway, and then leaves the club with two men (of her own accord) and then calls (now ex) boyfriend at 4 am to say she "got beaten up and raped" by the two men SHE chose to leave the club at 4 AM with. Boyfriend immediately breaks up with her for her going to the club.
        If you think she is the victim in this story, you are legitimately brain damaged.
        The slut clearly wanted to cheat on her boyfriend and decided to cry rape when the two dudes wanted nothing else to do with her after they used her holes.
        What a sad fucking society we live in that women are always allowed to play the victim card despite making such stupid choices of their own free will.

        [–]MuhRedPillAccount 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        Not sure what else OP can do. Set a boundary, set a consequence, and then followed through. Relationship was already cooked. Her deciding to go clubbing without him looking for strange just confirmed it. Everything else is just noise.

        [–]firegreen_leafred 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        If he were to take her back, she would never respect him again

        [–]unplug9000 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        When things were good she told him to fuck off and when things were bad she wanted his support. Where's the fucking dilemma here? What's there to be mixed about? I swear, people are so fucking gullible.

        [–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

        Clubs are degenerate places only designed for slutty women to have one night stands with a Chad. No women in a LTR or who is married should be in a club or club type environment.

        There is nothing fun about clubbing except for the chance of getting laid. The music sucks, place is crowed and smells like too much perfume, no where to sit and have a decent conversation, drinks are fucking expensive. No one (man or women) just goes to a club to have fun...

        [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

        Yeah...guessing she wasn't raped

        [–]Hyper_Sonik 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        The way you analyzed this was perfect.

        [–]SKRedPill 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Just to minimize the hate fallout, perhaps he should have given her a dose of comfort and then left.

        [–]mywifeson 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        OP is based. Hope he grows from this incident.

        It is sad I have come to believe whenever a girl has claimed to be raped, it really means she just had sex with someone and kind of regretted it after. “Rape” should be added to the list of red flags

        [–]finclover9 15 points16 points  (2 children)

        100% with you redpill analysis, well done mate. She definitely displayed poor judgement and lack of respect for him. He lost frame and thus lost her. However, let's be careful about condemning her for what she went through. Rape is a terrible thing to happen regardless of context and it makes TRP look very bad. In any case, her assault in itself is not really relevant to us. He lost frame before that and did the right thing after she betrayed his trust. Whether she was raped or not has no impact on her betrayal.

        [–]Tarkakabhai 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        She was going to cheat no matter frame.The relationship was over.

        [–]WarViper1337 9 points10 points  (0 children)

        "raped" also known as I got drunk with a guy(s) I have been flirting with behind your back and went out to have sex with them without you knowing about it. Turns it got wild and there is now some undeniable evidence (bruises, pics, video) that it happened but I am also fairly certain I have placed you into beta status and have control over you so you will mount your white steed (Volkswagen Jetta) and come rescue me the next morning.

        [–]ZidaneLoire 10 points11 points  (1 child)

        To me it's an open and shut case. She does whatever she wants and when cheating evidence is found, the relationship is over. There's nothing you can do to prevent someone who wants to cheat.

        In fact, a woman isn't entitled to your affection. You can end for whatever reasons please you. If the fact that she leads a certain lifestyle bothers you, this is in itself reason enough to break up.

        If there's anything I have learned is that you don't try to change a woman. You don't go to the store to buy an almost good tshirt and then change it at home to make it the way you want. You look for the tshirt you wanted in the first place.

        Now we have a rape (allegedly), which is unfortunate, but she did leave with the guy. She wasn't going home after a night out of her friends to sleep and got caught in a dark alley. She followed some random dude. But he didn't break up with her because she was raped. He broke up with her because he doesn't agree with the lifestyle she leads. He wants a different kind of woman.

        Afaik, the issue is done for him and the rest is up to the police.

        He made the right call.

        [–]AllahHatesFags 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        OP did nothing wrong. He set very clear boundaries in the relationship, she crossed them, he broke up with her. Now his bitch-ex has to resort to making a false-rape accusation against the Chad from the club that she fucked in a desperate attempt to get back together with OP. He didn't fall for it so she flipped out and sicked all her white knights and bitch Facebook friends on him. I feel bad for OP, I feel bad for Chad because he might go to jail over a false accusation, I have no sympathy for this bitch.

        [–]otakuzod 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        Promise made, promise kept. A man is nothing if he cannot keep his word.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        The British have a distinction between "accident" wherein something bad happens beyond the control of the victim, and "misadventure" wherein the person willfully undertook a patently risky action and something bad happens.

        This story makes my justice boner throb.

        [–]hombreliberado 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Love the analysis my dude. Pretty spot on. The only thing that threw me a little was the “mate guarding” right off the bat. I agree he got into it later, but initially he may have just not wanted to go.

        I have never really mate guarded, in fact I think not mate guarding contributed to my divorce (thank God), but I think this begs the question, where do we draw the line between mate guarding, and “control your hoe?” We all know women like men with boundaries, and men hate being cucked, so where do we draw the distinction?

        [–]Hitlers_Gas_Bill 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Their logic is a byproduct of their feelings in the moment

        Truer words have never been said.

        [–]Igottaknowthisplease 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        "Sorry, you must have the wrong number. You're not my girlfriend."

        "What, no, it's me!"

        "Couldn't be. I had a discussion with MY girlfriend, and she promised she wasn't gonna go to that club. My girlfriend is at home where she said she was gonna be."

        Click

        [–]Prophets_Prey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

        [–]1StinkyDiaper 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Did she contact police and file a rape report? If not, I call BS on her story.

        [–]simplisticallysimple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Are you saying that any woman who file a rape report with the police is not to be called BS on?

        [–]idgaf- 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        she wants to go this sleazy club with her friend

        Yoo girl is already gone. Break up with her on the spot. Modern boys accepting so much disrespect and shit behavior.

        Told her if she went I’m breaking up with her

        Don't put the ball in her court. Instead, just break up. Abundance mentality. Girls still in the sleazy-clubbing-phase are not LTR worthy. Just take your turn.

        [–]officerkondo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        If someone does something against my advice, I will not rescue them.

        I had this happen with my last girlfriend. We had been seeing each other for about a month and we at some outdoor event. One of the bar tents was advertising their "signature drink" and she mentioned getting it. I read the ingredients and told her that it would taste like shit. She gets the drink anyway and guess what? It tasted like shit.

        Then she asked me to go back to the bartender and exchange for a new drink. Fuck that noise. I made her get it herself. We dated for another 2.5 years and she'd mention it from time to time as an instance of me being a jerk. Ok.

        [–]halfback910 7 points8 points  (0 children)

        I doubt she was raped. I would not, however, have given her picture to 4chan. That is a fate worse than rape.

        The way this has blown up I guarantee they have already found her and are in the process of ruining her life.

        [–]Mofis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Completely agree with the guy. Fuck women these days holy shit

        [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        Whether or not someone deserves to be raped is a moral judgment, and we don't prescribe moral judgments at the Red Pill. Morality is the purvue of each individual man.

        However, whether or not someone is likely to be raped is a matter of circumstances. If you dress a certain way, go to a certain location, socialize with certain people, behave in a certain manner, intimate certain implications, and isolate yourself, you cannot be surprised if certain events occur.

        They call it "victim blaming". We call it "common sense" and "accountability".

        [–]PerplexingPegasus_[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Risk averse and risk retention. She chose to go to the club and kept risk retention. Being risk averse , she would of understood why OP didn’t want her to go.

        [–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Women are ill-suited for planning, because they are not evolved to extract their survival from a cold, indifferent environment that is based on rigid, unchanging rules.

        Women are more prone to improvisation and misdirection because they evolved to extract their survival from men, and men can be persuaded, manipulated, and misled.

        [–]sweetpotatoes95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        How would you handle this situation from the beginning instead of letting it escalate?

        [–]Yourgonnagofarkid 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        What could he have done differently?

        [–]PerplexingPegasus_[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Others referred what could of been done in the thread.

        [–]rshunter313 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I don't understand, if OPs GF is in a relationship, what are her justifications to get something from another e.g go to a speedy club and pick up another dude? Monkey branching seems far fetched but I don't understand how this contributes social/sexual validation.

        [–]Meisner1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Why deleted? I want to read it. Can someone PM it to me?

        [–]Demiurge_Decline 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Dont tickle alligators. He was 100%. Even if she was raped, she will need to be choked from here on out during sex. Op shouldve ghosted and never explained why to minimize the hamsters and white knights.

        [–]BIGPAR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I've always tried to read this from TRP veiw point. Great post man

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I highly doubt she got beaten up. This girl is just insane. I wouldnt believe a word coming out of her cum filled mouth, and id still next the bitch.

        [–]deeselecter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Me i would tell her to go to the cops faint some affection tell her she gonna be alright then do like I have said before . from my understanding there is nothing more dubious than a woman in tears.

        [–]Afghan_Whig 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        So when she wanted to go to the club with her friend what was the proper approach for him?

        [–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Next her. Her planning to go already means she's looking for new dick.

        [–]theaskingdude1337 3 points4 points  (14 children)

        How to react if your gf tells you she wants to go to a party or go out for a ladies evening?

        [–]xTETSUOx 12 points13 points  (12 children)

        “Nah, not my thing anymore since I got you. But if you want to dress slutty and grind on the dance floor in a club full of single dudes then that tells me that you want to be single. So.....bye!!”

        Seriously, no matter what women say they go to bars and clubs to attract male attention. If you’re in a LTR and they bring up that topic, that’s a huge red flag that they see you as a beta. Shut that shit down or gtfo of that relationship.

        [–]simplisticallysimple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It means you fucked up already. If you screened properly, you'd pick a girl who's a quiet homebody, not a slutty validation seeker. It doesn't matter how you react now; she'll eventually falter, because she's fundamentally a whorish girl. Like a junkie who relapses eventually despite her best efforts to stay clean.

        Look for another girl or better yet go MGTOW (no relationships, just P&D)

        [–]MoorishGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That bitch didn't get beat up by those dudes unless she wanted them to do it. She wanted to get ran the fuck up in roughly by two dudes and felt remorse afterwards. I fucked a chick like this back in the day and left a carpet burn on her forehead! Hell, her boyfriend walked in on her riding my dick once. Without missing a beat she looks over her shoulder and tells him she'll call him later. She was some of the best pussy I've ever had the pleasure of fucking.

        [–]holyshocker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        She cheated with 2 Chad's at once and felt guilty. "Rape" sounds like a good cover up.

        Edit. I posted this before reading comments about how she lied about rape. Idgaf about calling bs on rape.

        [–]BurnoutRS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        So long as youre aware enough of the potential consequences of an action to be able to make an informed decision on whether to perform that action, you should be allowed to do whatever you want.

        The guy made it clear. "I dont want you going to this club" Id even add the "you can go if you want to but if you do then we're done". Make it abundantly clear. If she goes out anyways then its probably good riddance. If she isnt dreading you leaving her then it means she's reaching that point of "eh I can prolly find a better guy out there" which means trouble ahead unless you step your game up. If not now when she goes to the club, later when that coworker offers her a ride home, or the next day when the guy at the coffeeshop sits next to her

        [–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Feel really bad for OPs ex, but OP sounds like he’ll be fine. He knows what to do.

        [–]Masoun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        What would the smart answer be if she mentions going clubbing?

        [–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        "Mate guarding" is a turn off huh?

        Yeah, being a cuckold is the real turn on.

        "Just go to night clubs with your friends, honey, have fun!"

        [–]S-Blaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        "You will miss me" would have been my last words

        [–]Mind_ripper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Would had done the same. Dumped a girl for throwing a remote at me once. Poor decision making leads to the unfortunate

        [–]simplisticallysimple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        OP is way too kind. I'd have laughed for a good ten seconds before hanging up on her.

        [–]juliusstreicher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Alternative interpretation: She happily fucked the two dudes. Got into a fierce fight with other chick. Got her ass kicked, the two dudes were amused and laughed at her. OPs girl decided to go back to OP. No mention of police report.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The only reason women go to clubs is to get male attention. Means she feels real secure you’re BB and she can explore other branches.

        Time to NEXT her for even bringing it up.

        “Sure, tell your next boyfriend I sent you. You’ll get a group discount.. bye”

        [–]stuub7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        who are we to say how this man should be feeling, if u cant trusta hoe and she does things that play with your insecurity its time to move on...

        [–]Sexquestionhelp22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This is eerily similar to an experience I had. I was involved with a girl for about 3 months, although we weren't officially dating. She decides to go off to some club with her friends, I'm not really cool with it knowing her group of friends and the reputation of the club but I don't say anything. She ends up leaving with the DJ and he rapes her. She showed up to my apartment later that night apparently, left me several voicemails, but I wasn't there. I feel really bad for her and there is no excuse for rape, but she left the club one on one with some guy who was expecting sex. She put up some resistance and he wasn't having it. Terrible situation, but society needs to learn that rape is not a male problem, it is a cultural problem. We live in a hookup culture and if you're going back with some guy at 4am after giving all the signs that you're going to have sex, it's natural that he thinks that the encounter is going to conclude with sex. Some men fall into their baser instincts and make the mistake of a rape, but if you want to understand the rape problem you have to look at this situation as a whole. Before hookup culture, rape meant that a man cornered you off and had his way with you, generally forcefully. Now it is more common than ever because of the blurred lines.

        [–]i_bent_my_wookiee 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        Now add to this the possibility (however slim), that she is just not telling the truth and she is feeling guilty for cheating.

        [–]eaazzy_13 8 points9 points  (1 child)

        I don’t think the possibility is all that slim

        [–]ThePlague 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Yeah, she left with two dudes to go to "a party". That is pretty much what clubbing is for, to leave with someone or multiple people to go to a private place.

        [–]hatefulreason -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        let her go to the club so you can demonstrate abundance and she comes home plowed and slowly drifting apart from you or don't let her go to the club and look like a bitch...hmmm...tough choice

        what would an old school man do? definitely not let her go to the club, if she complains tell her to stfu and get back in the kitchen, any following argument being met with dread or nuclear option

        [–]anderson916 -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

        Man, this sub really does hate women, eh?

        [–]Theophagist 6 points7 points  (2 children)

        Yes we hate women now go play honey.

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