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Red Pill TheoryCharm is probably the most powerful tool when it comes to women, and social interactions in general, more so than money and looks. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by kennytrp

I haven't witnessed charm in its true form many times. But I do specifically remember one person who exuded lethal doses of charm.

The guy in question is 5'6" or some such, tiny person, probably doesn't weigh more than 55kgs. I shit you not. He has a nice face and a big, bright smile. I remember meeting him for the first time. His smile stretched from ear to ear each time I ran into him. He was utterly fearless and unmoved by his social surroundings. So much that I honestly don't even see him as the short toddler he's built like when I envision him in my head.

He danced, he talked to everybody, he laughed, he joked, he hit on all girls, all the while this stupid grin was stretching even wider. And this wasn't even at a party, mind you. No alcohol involved. From an outside perspective, everyone he interacted with seemed like an old friend of his.

Remember his height and weight? Well this dude slays. I've seen him with girls much taller than himself - and they're all hot, mind you. I can't quite put my finger on it, but this feels like an "either you have it, or you don't" type of charm.

He's built like a stick-figure and is about as tall as a toddler, yet he doesn't give a fuck. He truly doesn't give a fuck. He goes from hot girlfriend to hot girlfriend, and I actually hooked up with one of his exes many years ago who seemed to be madly in love with him at the time. You know the kind of love that ruins a girl for years? Yeah, that kind.

Now, I'm not trying to sell some fictious tale to make manlets feel better about themselves. That isn't the moral of this (true) story. The moral of the story is that some people ooze so much charm that it doesn't matter if they live in a cardboard box or a mansion. It's subtle but incredibly powerful and virtually impossible to imitate because it stems from a truly deep sense of confidence and self-awareness. When you see it, you will understand exactly what I mean.

Everyone is charming every now and then. The times that I've exuded high levels of charm have always produced a very favourable outcome with the women who happened to be around me. Be charming. It's extremely powerful.


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[–]longschlong12 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Wow, thank you for this. You put into words what i've been trying to describe about myself for years. I'm not trying to suck my own dick here by saying i'm charming and what not, but its interesting to see my behaviours described in words. I can relate to this comment a lot, i'll answer the points if anyone is interested.

  1. I do enjoy the short conversations i have with people, the conversation would always be about YOU, which makes it incredibly boring after sometime but it gets people in the 'comfortable zone'

2.I'm a good listener, man or woman it doesn't matter, i would give them my 100% attention when i'm talking to someone, always asking them questions to make them feel in the 'zone'.

  1. I do remember details about people, be it the small details that show vulnerability or the details that i remember just to make them feel important. Tip, woman go fucking crazy when you remember details about them, but don't always say it, makes you look obsessed.

  2. I only ever talk about myself when im asked a question about myself. You can see the look in people's eyes when you talk about yourself, they do not give a fuck.

  3. Absolutely true, nothing to add on.

  4. I do this in my work environment, not with my friends though. After my 9-5, i don't know you, i don't give a fuck about your sick dog, don't text me.

With woman its simple, when i meet them, they have the time of their lives, every fucking thing that comes out of their mouths is about them blah blah blah, i give them solid attention, but not in a "cheery bff' sort of way. Its more of me asking questions that would get them to talk more. A funny example i got from a comedy book was to say "oh i see, but what do you mean by that?" whenever a woman finishes her story or whatever. I swear to god it has never failed me, they would repeat the same goddamn story again and i would just have to suffer through it until i get to bang her and leave.

Yes the sad part was that i was sort of abused as a child, it is what it is and i'm not looking for any pity but i guess that played into the sort of character i developed.

[–]yazen_ 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It's just my view, if you aren't interested by people, it would be hell to listen to their boring stories twice. And it can show.

[–]Neuroentropic_Force 123 points124 points  (2 children)

Never underestimate the power of confidence. Women are human beings. Insecure, anxious, and responsibility-averse human beings. If you can gush confidence, IDGAF, and navigate conversation flawlessly with innate humor and genuine emotion, you can wrap people, not just women, around your finger with ease.

[–]3trplurker 83 points84 points  (12 children)

Be prepared for the haters to hate.

What your talking about is called Social Value and is a huge indicator of Social Ability, that guy exuded it. I've known many people who also were like that, from all backgrounds and they all fucked hot girls.

Men need to stop thinking that women have brains remotely the same as theirs. Women are primarily attracted to Ability, it happened when we moved from the tree's and started walking upright. It was no longer about who was the fastest or the strongest ape, it was who had the most ability. Physical prowess is still a form of ability and should never be discarded or minimized, neither should the other forms of ability.

[–]AwakenedSovereign 26 points27 points  (5 children)

This is a deeper concept I've seen hints of very occasionally around here. The other post I saw defined it as "potency" & "virility", which by his definition was a man's capacity to invoke change on the world.

Walk in. Fuck shit up. Walk out.

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    [–]RedPharaohRising 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Gonna go out on a limb here and say its because men are driven to create. Procreate is one aspect, but that's why they follow leaders. Leaders promise them the ability to create something lasting and that's s deep need for men. Social skill and charm are vital parts of being a leader. I might be an ottermode midget but if I can get the mobs on my side I don't give a hoot how ripped you are.

    That's why women are drawn to game, game is the root of social value. It's how you cultivate it

    [–]Mildly_Sociopathic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I think Jordan Peterson talked about that during his most recent appearance on Joe Rogan, a man's ability to dominate or in this case more specifically, enforce his will onto the environment.

    [–]3trplurker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It all rolls together and ends up being a concept of the man being able to do shit. People frequently confuse different aspects of this and then thing their preferred aspect is somehow superior to the others and is "the true aspect".

    The whole game vs body bullshit argument. Or dress vs huge biceps, or height vs status symbols. They are all important and they all indicate one thing, the guys ability to do shit. That ability was vital to human survival and evolution on the plains of Africa. No matter how much posters here bullshit themselves, the biggest, the leanest, the strongest, the absolute ideal of human male physical prowess is absolutely no match for a predator. Something as common as a leopard or cheetah would destroy a human male regardless of his size or strength. Humans have no claws, no fangs, no thick hide, we're slow and have huge vulnerable spots that are easily within a predators reach. The reason we climbed to the top of the food chain wasn't being over six feet or having huge bulging biceps, it was being able to do figure shit out and to do what needs to be done.

    It was potency in action. This is what females genetically select for but because it's such an amorphous concept they end up selected for a bunch of traits that indicate it as a second hand source. When her biology finds out that the selected male lacks this potency, it freaks out and rejects him harshly.

    [–]SaggyT 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Well I say goddamn I need to know more about this! Any articles or book recommendations?

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This is my biggest hiccup right now. Realizing that men and women think differently and focusing on my own process instead of trying to figure out theirs.

    [–]DesignerTom 19 points20 points  (0 children)

    I'm 5'7 and not attractive. I have dated girls more attractive than me. This I think was due to charming, fun and cocky funny personality. These girls told me they did not find me that attractive but they really liked my personality and that is why they wanted to date me. I think looks are very important but if you have strong game then it can give you a good level of success with women in relation to your physical attraction.

    [–]pilljourney 64 points65 points  (11 children)

    Toddlers aren't 5'6" but I see what you're saying

    [–]Mr_Andry 65 points66 points  (9 children)

    OP has a bizarre level of short hate.

    [–]RedPharaohRising 27 points28 points  (7 children)

    Op so tall 5'6'' people look like toddlers

    [–]Mr_Andry 49 points50 points  (6 children)

    I'm 6'4". Something like 95% of people are shorter then me. I don't look at shorter guys as manlets. I see them as normal, because from my perspective that's just how most people are. For me, I hate those freaks who are taller than me, lol. Makes me uncomfortable to have to look up at somebody, because it's fairly rare.

    [–]xraigekoux 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    Thank you lol.

    We need more people like you. I feel like the unnecessary hate on shorter people says more about hater.

    [–]Terdmuffin 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    6'3 and I feel the same way. To me everyone who is less tall than my eyes (I can see the top of their head) is the same height. I never realize how tall I am until I see pictures of myself with other people and I'm like wow am I really that big?

    [–]BassNet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah same, I'm 6'3 and every short person looks the same height. It's hard to tell the difference between 5'0 and 5'4 haha

    [–]-Frank 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    When I see someone the same height as me I feel like they are taller because I see myself as normal.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 137 points138 points  (60 children)

    My most charming moments was on the comedown of hallucinogens and MDMA's. It's damn near like gravity. Everyone is pulled to you. They feed off your energy but you have so much to give that it doesn't even phase you. If only I could find a way to be in that state of mind on command.

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      [–]Cozc 14 points15 points  (4 children)

      If he is reffering to LSD then the afterglow you get for like 5-8 days is truly something to behold.

      Like you aren't high and seeing patterns and laughing at everything, but as the same time you have this "everything is oke" type attitude. And when that attitude is genuine, which is almost impossible to fake, people really do feed off it.

      Something everyone should experience at least once, imo.

      [–]wanderer779 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      Eh, I think it's easier when the girls are fucked up but I don't know about all this. I think maybe some people are confusing how they feel with how others feel about them. If you think you're charming when you're fucked up I'd recommend spending some sober time around druggies and seeing how you feel then.

      [–]Cozc 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      While on LSD? sure, people act retarded, its part of the fun. However over my years (and years) of experience with LSD 99% of people aren't still acting like that on day 5 of sobriety. Sure you'll always have that small portion that tries to be the burnout tree hugging hippy 24/7 but those types are easily spotted and avoided.

      Also please dont lump the casual pot smoker or 1-time a year LSD user with the crack heads and junkies. Most people who use drugs aren't "druggies". Forgive me if I'm wrong here but you're probably not including drinkers in there too are you?

      [–]wanderer779 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Including them in people who are annoying to be around while sober? Definitely. They are probably the worst of them all.

      I'm not some prohibitionist square by any stretch. Back in my day I tried about every drug I could get ahold of. Hell if some came my way now I might partake and I'm old.. I don't look down on it at all.. And I understand where you guys are coming from, when you're fucked up you feel cool and open and you're having a good time. The natural tendency is to project what you're feeling onto others. But are you sure they are enjoying it? Keep in mind the whole point of it is that it alters your perceptions.

      But like I said, if you think you are more fun to be around when you're fucked up, why not do a test and spend some sober time around fucked up people and see how much you are drawn to them. In my experience it's quite the opposite.

      [–]Cozc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Oke maybe I wasn't clear, apologies. I said when people are fucked up they are annoying, we are in agreement on that point. People aren't fucked up any longer the 5th day after taking something. The LSD afterglow I am talking about is not something outwardly detectable. Unless you were to say so, no one would ever guess you had taken lsd days prior. It is simply a slight attitude and perspective change that only you can detect, and by drawing people to you I mean it might cause you to deescalate a situation in which you would have been an asshole otherwise, just as an example.

      Ill give you major points for at least including the drinkers lol, everyone always just gives them a pass.

      [–]mp111 29 points30 points  (21 children)

      You guys might be talking about different points. I think he's referring to hours after taking, whereas you're talking about next day or 2? I can definitely relate to his point, especially with LSD

      [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 22 points23 points  (17 children)

      This exactly. The next day after MDMA is pretty rough lol.

      [–]menial_optimist 19 points20 points  (13 children)

      Yeah nobody told me anything about the effects about the comedown, I didn't even know drugs had comedown effects. The few days afterwards were like a soulless void devoid of any feeling of normalcy, happiness or stability. It wasn't that I was unhappy or sad, it felt literally like a lack of contentness.

      [–]onisun326 23 points24 points  (1 child)

      MDMA works because it activates all your serotonin at once, and when you comedown - serotonin is gone. You feel like shit the next day or two because serotonin imbalance leads to depression.

      [–]1OneRedYear 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      We used to call those Suicidal Tuesdays back in my day.

      [–]DontTreadOnSnek 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      You didn't know drugs had comedown effects? Ever been hungover? Alcohol is a drug.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Hangovers are more than a comedown. It's your body believing that it's sick because alcohol fucks it up so badly. Withdrawal is a whole other story, too.

      [–]itsGucciGucci 4 points5 points  (6 children)

      You seem like you shouldn't take drugs

      [–]Toofuckinglaz 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      Nah, he's fine. A rough MDMA trip will do that to many a man, experienced and beginner.

      [–]itsGucciGucci 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      My point was that if you do a drug as potent and dangerous as MDMA I think common sense would be to research its effects.

      [–]Toofuckinglaz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Oh definitely, totally with you on that one.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      Yea just a heads up, come down is when drugs is wearing off and you start feeling like shit. What you're thinking of here is actually called plateau, which is the state when you under the influence still but you've passed the peak when you're just absolutely rolling balls

      [–]DontTreadOnSnek 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Nah it's always the second or third day that's the worst - helloooo Suicide Tuesday!

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          [–]Returnofthemack3 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          the comedowns are precisely why I stopped using it after a period of prolonged use. It also loses its magic pretty quick if you roll too often, yet the side effects get worse. Def something you can't do more than a few times a year

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            [–]DoveDizzle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Mdma is an amphetamine. That's what the A stands for. Pills are usually mixed with a bunch of shit.

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I think he means the plateau after the peak, not the actual comedown

            [–]rmcassio 6 points7 points  (2 children)

            I thought I was the only one to realize that. It's awesome! I think it's because you set yourself free from whatever holds you, and people notice that. Or maybe it's because the huge smiles lol

            [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 5 points6 points  (1 child)

            That's what I was thinking. That somehow when you've checked your ego and put all insecurities to rest, people pick up on that and genuinely are addicted to your vibes and company like a bug flying towards lights.

            [–]Enlightened_Chimp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            It would be so awesome to learn how to attain this state while sober. I always feel like my mind is trapped within invisible constraints that I can't pass when I'm around people I don't know. It would be amazing if it was possible to learn to remove them or even release the tension in the constraints of our minds.

            [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

            I'm the most charming on a low dose benzo and stimulant

            [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (7 children)

            No, you were just so high that you thought everyone was feeding off your energy. You thought that you were the centre of the universe when in reality everyone around you was either as high as you or just being nice to the guy who was enjoying his buzz. Your description is just what went on in your drug fucked mind, not what really went on

            [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 4 points5 points  (6 children)

            Spoken like someone who hasn't experimented with hallucinogens. Being under the influence of them doesn't void me of thought-reason perspectives on situations. I was there and experienced first hand multiple times how people interact with me during the comedown. I don't know what the point of your comment is.

            [–]Project_Thor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

            Some are cynical and don't want to allow those ideas in, or they need their boundaries. Leave him be, he's just justifying his own ideology.

            [–]Atuli 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Psychedelics are an amazing way to discover how powerful behaviour really is.

            [–]Kevo4ever 1 point2 points  (6 children)

            I'm so curious about this. I've read plenty of accounts of people saying that the attraction/ease of gaming women was almost unbelievable when they did MDMA and LSD. What do you mean when you say everyone is pulled to you?

            [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 1 point2 points  (4 children)

            I'll try to to explain it.. your interactions are so god damn smooth. You're so content in your own skin that you reek of this quiet confidence that draws people near you. If they overhear you talking they are instantly intrigued and want to join your convo and get to know you. When they finally do meet you their eyes light up and they are completely wrapped up in your vibes. It's difficult to explain, but have experienced this multiple times.

            [–]Kevo4ever 0 points1 point  (3 children)

            Man that sounds awesome. If you wanted to do this sober, you should look into concentration meditation and the Jhanas. I've never done drugs, but I experience Jhana once, and people that have it often say it's a full body blissful experience comparable to some intense drugs they've done. They also describe interactions similar to yours, which is why I want to try drugs out, particularly shrooms and lsd to see how they affect me socially.

            [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Those would be the 2 I would start with. 3.5g of shrooms and 2 hits of lsd. Make sure being outside is a possibility and have something planned with your friends for once the trippy effects settle down and you're set.

            [–]Kevo4ever 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            is there a severe comedown with shrooms and lsd like there is with mdma?

            [–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            No, entirely the opposite. Gentle af.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            I achieve similar effects with modafinil. Except it makes me more efficient and doesnt fuck you up.

            [–]ShitpostingForGold 12 points13 points  (2 children)

            2 years ago I'd be reading on here that you'd always have to stay stoic, never laugh, keep frame etc etc.

            Now it's all about grinning from ear to ear.

            Which one is it bois.

            [–]Phoenixtorment 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            never laugh

            I doubt that was taught here.

            [–]2awalt_cupcake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            I've noticed the same. I think it's a callibration issue. Don't laugh like an idiot, but grin. Don't smile at her like she's your church buddy, but give her an intentional smirk. That's my take on it.

            [–]Conceited-Monkey 30 points31 points  (48 children)

            When people dispute the importance of looks, the argument invariably involves anecdotal evidence. Social value matters and I do not think anyone really disputes this. Essentially, your desirability is a function of your looks, money and status. If you have a lot of one of these, like charisma, you can be desirable even if you are lacking in other areas. This does not make looks irrelevant. If you are poor, short, fat and bald, I really do not think you can charm your way into banging lingerie models.

            [–]Returnofthemack3 19 points20 points  (28 children)

            Not to mention that these anecdotes often prove that without looks and/or status, you have to put forth an obscene amount of effort to get the same or a lesser result. Look, we all know a guy or two that shot above his weight class, but it's always obvious to me he's putting forth tremendous effort for an objectively lesser result than the hot and/or rich guy. I'd much rather be merely socially competent on a basic level yet hot and rich than the other way around.

            Furthermore, i'm sorry but a lot of the most charismatic, friendly, and funniest guys i've known still struggled with women. Why? Unattractive and/or poor.

            Dont get me wrong, you should all strive to be adept in social situations because any advantage helps, but don't think that's enough. Even if you can pull, it's a shit ton more effort than the stacked guy

            [–]Conceited-Monkey 11 points12 points  (26 children)

            I still get bewildered when I run into these arguments. A lot of guys seem to believe that you can short circuit hundreds of thousands of years of women's evolutionary behaviour with displays of confidence and verbal skills. I mean, it is nice to peddle hope to an ugly loser, but you aren't really helping. A while ago, some guy posted about his difficulty pulling women when he was 60 pounds overweight. The logical solution was to lose weight, but half the respondents claimed that his weight was not the issue, his lack of "game" was the real problem.

            [–]Returnofthemack3 11 points12 points  (4 children)

            Yep, this is precisely why I dislike the 'game is everything' posters. It's ultimately harmful for guys who need to do some serious work on their grooming and/or weight/fitness. As I already stated, barring severe social/mental issues, that's usually the area that needs improvement the most. The vast majority of the population is at least somewhat socially competent, so I really don't think highlighting game/social competence is all that relevant barring extreme cases.

            [–]Toylil 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            I recommend reading my other post somewhere around here. I believe game is everything, but there's a catch: your game is affected by your subconscious feelings about yourself. If deep down inside you feel like a loser, no matter how much effort you put into your game, you'll still be dragged down by your feelings of self-worth. This is why losing weight or grooming is so important. It's not the weight loss that makes a difference, or the fancy clothes, or the new car - it's your feeling of self-worth. A person who truly feels good about themselves radiates confidence.

            [–]marplaneit 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            This. Some friends tell me I punch above my weight. Yes sure, i'm really confidence and charming, even though I don't have nothing to show for.

            I'm a med student, I don't have money but still makes really confident. I manage 2 bussiness and I re-invest every single penny so I don't have anything to show for except for nice clothes. I still give a "wealthy bive" even though I don't own or do flashy things. I also adapt really well. I can have fun at party/disco/bars without being the disco douche who can only talk about drugs or alcohol.

            [–]xraigekoux 0 points1 point  (1 child)

            I'm curious where you're from. I thought discos were from the 80's.

            [–]marplaneit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            I'm from Argentina. Lol, I don't know the exact name for it. Maybe NightClub I don't know the difference.

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              [–]Returnofthemack3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              same. it's night and fucking day

              [–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 1 point2 points  (7 children)

              Neil Strauss is nobody's definition of a looker, but everybody's definition of a pimp.

              [–]Conceited-Monkey 3 points4 points  (6 children)

              You realize "The Game" was fictional right? Strauss also has in recent interviews disavowed the whole PUA concept.

              [–]Phoenixtorment 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              You might want to give a source on this bold statement.

              [–]Conceited-Monkey 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Which one? That Neil Strauss didn't get laid much, or the book is fiction? If you read the book, Neil did not get laid much. In terms of it being fictional, while the people and the community exist, Strauss is basically telling stories based on his perceptions at the time. Many of the other people in the book have complained that events described did not occur or they were falsely characterized.

              [–]Phoenixtorment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              That the book is fiction, based on his perception ? then everyone's life is fiction. Even if it was completely fiction, it's irrelevant because the community does exist, and pua works even with ppl who look like Neil.

              Anyway I mainly meant this statement:

              disavowed the whole PUA concept

              [–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Even if that is true, he is still not a good looking guy, and he still gets pussy left right and center. So what's your point.

              [–]Conceited-Monkey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              He didn't get laid much in "The Game" and when he was a sex addict it sounds like it was through his social circle. I guess my point is that becoming a popular pop culture writer in LA might improve your lay count more than peacocking.

              [–]reecewagner 1 point2 points  (4 children)

              it is nice to peddle hope to an ugly loser

              Key word being loser. Ugly guys can fuck whoever they want to - just don't be a loser

              [–]All-DayErrDay 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              Dude so you think an ugly loser going from say skinny to muscular is going to make much of a difference? What other advice would you offer him at that point?

              [–]Conceited-Monkey 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              Grooming, improve his fashion style, don't do loser things, get into a good social circle, etc.

              [–]Returnofthemack3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              lol a world of fuckign difference. Put on 20-40 lbs of muscle, dress well, and advance in your career, and come back and tell me it 'didnt make a difference'. I dare you!

              [–]TheReformist94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Wheyyyyy.we have a winner.ding ding.

              [–]blackedoutfast 3 points4 points  (3 children)

              If you are poor, short, fat and bald, I really do not think you can charm your way into banging lingerie models

              no it's very possible and it happens all the time. but you need insane amounts of charisma if you're starting from such a low position. the problem is that most poor, short, fat, and bald guys typically have even less charisma than average guys. charisma comes from having a lot of self-confidence and a lot of social experience.

              even hot guys need some charisma and confidence if they actually want to get laid and not just have women stare at them. a male model who is low-confidence, awkward, and desperate won't do well with women either. but really hot guys ARE confident and charismatic because they know they're hot.

              [–]Conceited-Monkey 5 points6 points  (2 children)

              Please provide photos of short, fat, bald guys who are poor with lingerie model girlfriends. Photos of Loch Ness monster would also be helpful.

              [–]nilco 2 points3 points  (3 children)

              Rsd Luke would disagree. Arguably the guy is rich as fuck. But he still got the same amount of pussy pre rsd.

              [–]Conceited-Monkey 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              With the advantages of money, being a fixture in the Vegas club scene, and producing fake videos, RSD Luke can disagree all he wants.

              [–]LethalShade 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Please pull up something resembling even a shred of proof that any of his stuff is fake.

              [–]Conceited-Monkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Google "are pua videos real".

              [–]Snazzy_Serval 4 points5 points  (4 children)

              Be charming. It's extremely powerful.

              I really want to.

              As a 5'5 man, charm is the only thing that can save me. Unfortunately I have no idea how to be charming and material on it is very lacking.

              [–]IblizTrigga[🍰] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Focus your attention on charisma over "charm". Charisma is a natural people attractant, so it guarantees positive attention. Not everyone can be "charming" per se, but anyone can be charismatic.

              If you need help with charisma, focus on having interesting hobbies, talking to more people, and finding humor in situations.

              [–]Snazzy_Serval 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              I use the two interchangeably. Whichever it is, I'm painfully aware that I'm lacking it.

              I've read "The Charisma Myth" and it didn't really have what I was looking for.

              How would have "interesting hobbies" help?

              As for finding humor in situations, I'm absolutely a pessimist and only bad things seem to happen to me. Obviously that's not helping me be more charismatic.

              [–]IblizTrigga[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Essentially, charm is "what" you say whereas charisma is "how" you say it. There is overlap between the two, but the focuses are different.

              Interesting hobbies help your charisma by giving you something to talk about with passion. If you want to be interesting, say something interesting.

              Are you lifting?

              [–]Snazzy_Serval 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              If you want to be interesting, say something interesting.

              It's something else beyond that. Here's an often referenced passage regarding charisma

              Now, William Gladstone was a very clever and witty person. He was brilliant, obviously so, and he knew pretty much everything. Based on his wit and experience, he had what it took to win the election. What made the difference, however, was summed up by a woman who had dinner with both Disraeli and Gladstone a week before the election.

              The lady both men dined with was Jennie Jerome, Winston Churchill's mother. When a journalist asked Jerome what her impression of the two men was, she responded:

              "When I left the dining room after sitting next to Gladstone, I thought he was the cleverest man in England. But when I sat next to Disraeli, I left feeling that I was the cleverest woman."

              Disraeli had spent the whole evening asking her questions and listening intently to her responses. He wanted to know everything about her, and he tried to steer the conversation toward her. Naturally, she talked — and we always feel good talking about ourselves.

              Not surprisingly, Disraeli, the person who mastered the art of making other people feel important, won the election.

              Yeah I'm lift. Though I have bad genetics and I gain muscle very slowly.

              [–]meninistMD 3 points4 points  (1 child)

              I have to agree with this, I am about this same exact height, and I always didn't have much difficulties in day game as people expect, my first gf was about 5'9 and many of women i have been were about that height, i find talking to taller women interesting and they have an open character, some are impressed. Unfortunately that social idea that height is disadvantage for men, is getting to some men head, and it change their perspective on society, and it destroy their confidence, so they give up even before trying. I remember a one tall friend told me once he is amazed who I am lucky in my life because if he had my height he'd suicide. Unfortunately, last year my sociability slowed down as I am getting neurotic and stressed at work, and started to see the default automatic reaction of how new people perceive me and it is not good as you may expect, as a guy with short height I feel pressured to keep a character of charm and sociability to get what an average man gets in terms of social acknolwedgment, which is starting to be annoying.

              [–]KenMastersMD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              The two letters behind your name help tip those scales. The average man gets far less social acknowledgement.

              [–]straittripping 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Low inhibition is the only personality trait that is broadly attractive to women the way looks or money is. We live in a tense, high anxiety society today so that makes this even more powerful.

              [–]1skittles_man 11 points12 points  (5 children)

              One of the hottest girls I've ever pulled was this porn star tier Asian bitch. To give a little back ground, I'm about 5'8-5'9 and far from blessed by the gods of brodin. I met this girl at a strip club while I was throwing a bachelor party for a good buddy of mine. She was there with a group of people and a decent looking bloke that she had come to the party for. Now keep in mind, I was a bit drunk, which caused me to have the confidence of a raging bull. With all of this liquid courage, I just walked straight up to her and grabbed her by the hand aggressively and pulled her away while telling her that we were going to go to the front stage to stuff dollar bills in the strippers' assholes. When I grabbed her, she was in mid conversation with the guy she originally showed up for. No hesitation, no looking back at this other guy. She just clasped my hand hard and followed my lead.

              I bring this up because I remember her telling me that she had been watching me throughout the night and she told me how charismatic she thought I was. Throughout the entire night I was chatting everyone up and clowning on strippers, just working the club.

              BTW, this was pre-TRP and to add a disclaimer, I have not had the same results since then lol

              [–]2awalt_cupcake 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              enjoyed the story. admired the honesty.

              [–]1skittles_man 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yeah. It goes to show you that when your energy and game is on point, you can be capable of great pulls. However, I don't know if I'd be able to replicate something like that without the same conditions.

              [–]landon042 3 points4 points  (0 children)

              sounds like you met J. Gatsby

              [–]axeAce90 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              It really doesn't matter what you look like or what you drive (think Tyler Durden). You have to be grounded in your own free-flowing energy. Whatever that energy is, it has to come from you - 100%. Guys like the person who the OP talked about self-reference all day long and no matter where they are. Even if something negative happens, they give as much attention to it as they fucking want and then they move on. They don't let the little waves move them left or right because, much like that of a large old tree, their roots are deep. They don't laugh cause someone told them to and they never seem like they're trying to do anything. They just - are.

              It's hard to internalize for a lot of people, but as OP said - once you see it you know exactly what it is.

              [–]reecewagner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              it stems from a truly deep sense of confidence and self-awareness. Be charming. It's extremely powerful.

              I think you're telling me to be confident and self-aware first, and I will become charming as a result.

              [–]HouseReyne 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Looks get you noticed. Charm gets them to stay.

              [–]FACEandLMS 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Another bluepilled thread on TRP.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Hey! When are you gonna make the next video on youtube? Ive been waiting...

              [–]iamneptuno 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              He has a nice face and a big, bright smile.

              What luck it has nothing to do with looks, otherwise it would've refuted your whole point, even if there was one, son.

              [–]menial_optimist 4 points5 points  (3 children)

              While your story could be true, how are you certain he was actually fucking those girls he was with? I say this because I knew a similar guy just after highschool. Everyone knew him, thought positively of him, but I know for a fact he was virgin. He was more just everyones friend, and made himself as non-threatening as possible.

              [–]AwakenedSovereign 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Anecdote to the rescue.

              My older brother is short, overweight and not particularly attractive. He has a "fatstrong" look and below average face.

              But he's smart, charismatic, machavellian, and has no problems fucking anyone over to get ahead.

              He slays on a high level, with his main problem being a gigantic ego that thinks he can mindfuck girls forever into doing whatever he wants.. treating them in comically shitty ways but eventually they all snap back to reality and drop him cold. He has the alpha fuck shit up / DGAF mindset but no ability to provide even a little comfort or stable leadership. Also pretty emotional at times and very quick to anger.

              [–]casemodsalt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Sounds like a typical outgoing/manipulative/cocky douche that dumb girls love.

              [–]ass_boy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I know the same person. So many smoke shows around him but not one of them did he fuck.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              What I have noticed is all the guys who attract a large amount of females smile a lot and have a great smile. They also usually have a good sense of humor too.

              [–]badDayAtBerchdsgaden 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Some of them though, I swear its like theyve got the Kavorka. No discernable external reason why they would be different from 50 other guys, but they somehow have the social status of a male model

              [–]LippyMinded 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is fantasy. He is either rich or just plainly well socially connected.

              [–]RPgolf123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Everyone on this subreddit must be butt-ugly or something, to just feed this upvotes. On a forum which claims to be redpilled, and in 2017 when getting laid on tinder while being good looking is comically easy, i'm not sure how one can say this.

              However this is more of a PUA forum than anything else really

              [–]aanarchist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              it's a kind of energy that exudes from people who love themselves and the world they live in. being all salty over awalt is not how you get to that level, and deriving your self esteem from your looks, your money or whatever other nonsense, is how u get stuck in a beta life. that said, all charm no substance is only something low value/intelligence/consciousness fall for. from someone red pill aware, he will not be able to get any farther with you than he normally would unless he shows some sort of value, and as it stands his only value he brings to the table is being able to bs his way around blue pill people.

              [–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              If you can work it, then more power to you.

              The most badass guy in the room is the 5'6" guy with the blonde amazon on his arm - and he will fuck the shit out of her, without pay.

              [–]schmolch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              You said he has a nice face. The face is 95% of your looks. He was able to be charming only because he had an attractive face. Everything depends on your face because this is what is representing your level of masculinity.

              [–]Truth2222 3 points4 points  (6 children)

              I get the gist of what you're saying, but to say it's more important than looks is simply not true. No need for gross exaggerations to prove your point

              [–]casemodsalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Plenty of times I saw a girl and didn't think too much of her until I saw her personality and I liked her more. She wasn't ugly by any means but not exactly a model or what I would typically go for (whether or not my standards were too high is irrelevant for this example). Basically she was just "ok".

              My point is that personality can bring a 5 or 6 up to a 6, 7 or even 8.

              In my opinion, you start out at your looks. Your body language and confidence, charm, etc all add or subtract from your base looks. Men or women.

              Sure, if you're a 8, 9 or 10, there is little you can do to unattract the opposite sex.

              [–]Need2LickMuff 1 point2 points  (4 children)

              Explain me, then.

              Been compared to Ashton Kutcher many times, still fail with women. So long as you aren't buttfuck ugly you'll get chicks - nothing more gross to women than a guy who has no charm.

              Edit: Sorry "looks matter more" crew, but taken from a guy who has prob had more IOI's thrown my way than women you've nervously glanced at, I can tell you right now that looks only get you past the hassle of hardcore shit tests and give you more chances at screwing up. Without charm, though, they mean fuck all.

              [–]Bruno-OS 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              Just because you look like someone doesn't mean you're as good looking as them.

              [–]PM_ME_UR_TECHNO_GRRL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I think a lot of guys want to believe that looks are more important because that will take the responsibility away from themselves. Like the guys in the incel sub. They need to believe they are victims of circumstances, otherwise it means that they actually have to struggle for a better life.

              [–]grandaddychimp 11 points12 points  (72 children)

              Game is not more important than looks.

              Looks > Game > Status > Money

              [–]Need2LickMuff 25 points26 points  (38 children)

              Good looks gets you in faster, but a good looking dweeb is still a dweeb.. only a woman is more confused when she realizes he's a dweeb.

              [–]RPgolf123 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Lmao.

              Gotta love TRP these days. When you are good looking you need to DO LESS to get laid. If you aren't good looking, you need to DO MORE to get laid. if you can't acknowledge this, i have a hard time believing you are redpilled at all.

              [–]Need2LickMuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I don't know what to tell you, bud.

              Like, yeah, when I acknowledge a bird's existence most times they're overjoyed and playful, responsive and engaged. I'll never say that having good looks doesn't get you to that stage faster (in fact, did I not say that it does? where the fuck are you getting 'looks don't matter' out of my post?), thing is without confidence what good is being in that stage? If I can't sit there and think of something to chat about just to break the social tension and then lead it somewhere to where she's sucking my dick in the backalley or whatever, then a lot of good my looks are doing me innit.

              It's like having a billionaire hand you a cheque but you don't know how to reach out and grasp. That was my point - Yes, being good looking definitely gives you a leg up with women, but without the right attitude you will still appear as an awkward dweeb. For instance - there's a cashier at a spot I like to eat at. I stupidly asked her about her piercings, all because I wanted to get what she had, and she blasted me with a 20 minute convo about herself and where she got them and all this jazz.. next thing I know she's peppy whenever she sees me and acts like any other thirsty chick who's ever been spoken to by me. One problem - I'm a socially awkward fuck and she's now expecting more talk from me, but I shake when people talk to me.

              TL;DR - Being hot means squat when you're a pussy. An average dude who isn't a pussy would AMOG the fuck out of me, so the looks argument is moot.

              [–]mrpCamper 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              I once had a friend who looked like Stone Phillips. Chicks threw themselves at him. He had absolutely no game at all and was actually a total nerd. Great guy to have as a buddy but not a guy that hooked up with more chicks than your average guy. Even though he would get them coming up to talk to him all night long!!!

              [–]Returnofthemack3 2 points3 points  (6 children)

              man, you have to suck massively to not pull with good looks. I mean, short of being autistic, it's basically impossible not to have success. You just have to be halfway socially competent.

              I dunno, I always see this strawman trotted out, and it boggles my mind. how many good looking dudes do you know with crippling anxiety and/or autism? I don't know many like that, but sure, i'll concede there are outliers. For the vast majority of them, they can get away with murder and far less social competence than a fat and/or ugly guy, and that's what he's highlighting.

              Even with immnese effort, the fat and/or ugly guy is pulling less in frequency and qualiyt lol

              [–]reecewagner 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Can confirm. I'm a good looking dweeb. I slay high amounts of ass, but I have no staying power or resonance in their lives.

              [–]Need2LickMuff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I slay high amounts of ass, but I have no staying power or resonance in their lives.

              Dude.. who gives a fuck at that point, lol. At least you're sinking ship; You'd cringe if you knew what my life has been like for the past 15 years.

              [–]grandaddychimp 4 points5 points  (22 children)

              And a smelly dirty ugly homeless guy with top notch game is still a smelly dirty ugly homeless guy

              [–]Need2LickMuff 12 points13 points  (7 children)

              Is every guy who isn't a 9/10 a dirty, smelly, ugly homeless guy? Your exaggerations are retarded; I think sluthate would suit your fancy more than TRP.

              [–]grandaddychimp 0 points1 point  (6 children)

              Notice how you didn't even actually attempt to refute anything I said. An 10/10 dweeb with zero game will score more hot young pussy in a club than an ugly smelly homeless guy with top notch game. Period.

              [–]reecewagner 6 points7 points  (1 child)

              Are you fucking retarded? Someone with top notch game would not allow themselves to be smelly or homeless. If they're ugly they'd accept it and slay anyways.

              [–]perd91 1 point2 points  (10 children)

              If he presents himself to other people as dirty and ugly, he ain't got game at all.

              [–]grandaddychimp 3 points4 points  (9 children)

              So game partially depends on looks, while looks don't depend on game? Thanks for further solidifying my point.

              [–]Snazzy_Serval 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Good looks gets you in faster, but a good looking dweeb is still a dweeb.. only a woman is more confused when she realizes he's a dweeb.

              That won't be until after she slept with him.

              [–]Need2LickMuff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              Or when he fails to pull by not understanding that she doesn't need to be impressed, or by not actually pulling, or by saying some stupid shit/stammering like a fool.

              Despite what people claim, nervousness/inability to speak isn't excused by halo effect and is still a negative. Only instead they are even more let down because you're so attractive and they have a specific expectation of you to be a womanizer.

              [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (8 children)

              This argument is fruitless. We must think of it as pieces of a pie that add up to your smv relative to everyone else. Being handsome AF is great, but if you're a spineless beta, it is worthless. Likewise, if you're dog fucking ugly but have the dominating presence of Clint Eastwood paired up with the charm and charisma of Don juan, you're going to have a solid fucking chance of getting in her panties. To conclude, they're two pieces of the same puzzle.

              [–]grandaddychimp 8 points9 points  (5 children)

              So an HB10 will sleep with a smelly, dirty homeless guy with rotten teeth if his game is top notch? GTFO.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

              Some fools will argue with everything. My comment, along with 99% of the principles defined by trp are meant as generalizations. Generalizations which describe human psychology and sexual interaction based on probability. So, generally, no, a HB10 won't sleep with a grubby ass homeless fuck because of his sick game. BUT as a statistical outlier, i'd bet my left nut it has happened at least once in the course of human history.

              [–]grandaddychimp 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              Then why are you arguing with my generalization?

              [–]Returnofthemack3 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Yeah, but how many people can truly be that charismatic lol. It's far better to be attractive. Man, I dunno who yall know irl, but I can't think of one attractive, fit dude that is so spineless and incompetent that he cannot pull wiht great regularity. You have to be borderline mentally retarded if you have looks down

              [–]francisco_DANKonia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I'd say money is a subset of status, so it is not necessary in this list

              [–]nilco 4 points5 points  (14 children)

              Bullshit. Game > all. Watch RSD Luke, he is a fat ugly dude.

              [–]Conceited-Monkey 7 points8 points  (4 children)

              Who uses actresses in his infields.

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                [–]Conceited-Monkey 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                Believe what you want. I am not selling anything. RSD is. Most people would agree that desire cannot be negotiated so it seems odd people would buy into idea that attraction can be negotiated.

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                  [–]meninistMD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Yep, considering that I made my comment on situations where i don't use this identity and where I'd meet new people.

                  [–]Cobraess 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  A very close friend of mine is like this. He is 5"6 and stick thin, and he just doesn't care, it doesn't matter one bit. He makes up every inch in charm.

                  I know the exact smile you're talking about as well.

                  [–]trpfaust 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  How can one go about learning this?

                  [–]omnicidial 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  Ever question to yourself if a stand-up comic can get laid?

                  Louis CK for instance isn't a big beefed up overworked out meathead, but he's charming on another level.

                  [–]Phoenixtorment 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  Thats more status than charm.

                  [–]omnicidial 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  He'd get laid without the status.

                  You're misinterperting where the power comes from in that, but the meathead "you gotta get gains bro's" faction on trp is a bunch of blockheaded assclowns who's girlfriend would fuck me because I'm more funny and interesting.

                  The confidence level is all it is, but some men can't feel confidence without muscles.

                  [–]TooMuchToDoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Self-awareness I think is one of the most important aspects of charm. I think it's safe to say that anybody can identify the weirdo in the room, and the charming guy in the room. The kicker is that many don't know whether or not they are being the weirdo or the charmer. It stems from not being able to look at yourself and your actions from an outsider's perspective.

                  There's two ways to help improve your charm I've found. There may be more out there: The first is to be actively looking at people's reactions when you talk to them. Adjust and improve. If you're more of a sociopath, a faster way to improve is to record conversations on your phone. That way you can truly hear how you sound from an outsider's perspective, just like how it's easier to identify the weirdo and the charmer from a third-person perspective.

                  [–]uribezmenov 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  To preface this, I'm a straight guy..

                  Have you ever heard an exert from a book about someone's eyes just eating into a person and consuming them? All that tripe, BS crap?

                  I was at one of those social, network with people, events. I was talking to this guy whose like 5"2' who wasn't in great shape or anything.

                  I'm looking in his eyes, because that's what you do when you talk to people, and realized his eyes were really.. I don't know how to describe it. They were gray and really detailed or something.

                  Anyway, I'd had one light beer, so I was completely sober, but something about his eyes was like looking down a well, and for a second I felt actually light headed and had to look away and steady myself. I think I almost passed out. I felt like I was spiraling a drain looking into them. My stomach flipped. I've never experienced anything like it.

                  Dude was just a tiny little regular guy. He was successful, but not amazingly so or anything. Nothing incredible except those eyes. I didn't realize that a person's eyes could just totally fuck with a person's head.

                  I could rule the world with eyes like that..

                  [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  i think i have eyes like that. ive been told i have 'deep' eyes. not deep set. but the person that told me this told me they felt the same way you just described (girl tho)

                  thing is, it can be intimidating to some people

                  [–]Conceited-Monkey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Any of his recent interviews. I recall in the one article that the game concept implies you are leading them to seduction when in fact most girls are well aware of what's going on and are playing along in spite of game playing not because of it.

                  [–]TRPKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  It goes like this. Game > Muscles > Height.

                  Ive gotten with girls that are 6'2", when I look back at it I laugh about how stupid it mustve looked third person with my little goblin ass getting sucked up by some big ass redhead climbing all over the bed. Like something at a circus.

                  [–]RedPill4Lyfe0991 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  So how can a person develop charm?

                  [–]NoSleeping93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Well he might have his life in order to obtain that charm

                  [–]1Entropy-7 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                  Part of charm is to give compliments with no expectations.

                  [–]SeekingTheWay 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                  exactly, this shows that you are confident in yourself so much that you don't play the "who's better" game anymore with them. might as well boost their status since you are rock solid convinced of yours

                  [–]1Entropy-7 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                  The secondary effect is to chat up the fatties and HB4s to enter the group and then go for the alpha girl.

                  Funny story is that I had a summer job working the info desk at college. An obvious mother-daughter team approach and I pull out two course calendars, one for each.

                  So mom says something like "Oh no, I'm just here for her."

                  I go all doe-eyed and say "Sorry, I thought you were two young ladies checking out your educational options."

                  Mom saw right through this (and I was none too subtle) so her eyes narrow, she cracks a smile and says "You are going places. I don't know where you are going, but you are going places."

                  Completely innocent, but a boat load of fun. I'm not a MILFy guy but I am a terrible flirt. It opens a lot of doors.

                  [–]1nzgs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Charm is not more powerful than looks. That is "cope" as is fashionable to say on the internet.

                  [–]officerkondo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Sales is 90% product, 10% technique. Your looks are the product.

                  "Be charming" is about as novel advice as "be attractive". Good advice but so obvious that Ray Charles could see it and he never heard of TRP.

                  [–]twoheadedratboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Good. On the flip side, its important to recognise and resist the effects of charm, I consider myself immune to charm and don't have much of a capacity for it myself. Seems like it's the way to get ahead though in these fucked up times.

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