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Red Pill ExampleWhat Being A Drug Addict Has Taught Me. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1TrenGod37

Background: I am a recovering drug addict (opiate abuser) I currently have a year clean (which is great and all but it isnt shit in the grand scheme of things) anyway, I was using for about 8 years, would call myself a "functioning" addict (good job, own place, car, no one really knew, fucked tons of hot chicks) but during this time I could NOT stop for the life of me (rehab, NA, Therapy, I tried everything and nothing worked), looking back my thinking was so insane I wonder how it was even possible. Now that I have more of a clear head a lot of things are starting to make sense to me that never did. During my using days my game was fucking impeccable. It was a big part of why I found it hard to stop, it just wasnt as good when I was sober. I fucked over 80+ women, I would go out every weekend and almost always pull, or at least make out/get numbers. I was living like a rockstar. I felt invincible, my friends never knew how the fuck I did it, and to be honest neither did I.

Since my recovery it has been hard for me, I had to build my confidence from the ground up, and for some reason, although it was getting really good (still getting laid and spinning plates), it seemed as though women liked me more when I was on drugs. I never understood this, it always frustrated the fuck out of me and caused me to relapse a number of times. But now I am starting to make sense of it all.

Body: I realized since I have become clean I have been walking around looking for validation from women, although I haven't been "needy", per say, I would walk around looking at women, waiting for a reaction, doing things for a reaction. I had been lifting, self improving, setting goals, the whole 9 yards, so why arent they reacting to me like they did when I was using? My game in general was all based on their reaction. It was so subtle and hidden to me but after a relapse I realized something. The day I relapsed, 3 women complimented me, women were looking at me differently, asking ME to hangout. WTF IS GOING ON? Is the drug doing this? What is different???

Then it hit me in the face like a ton of bricks.

The truth is when I would get high, all I would care about is getting more high. That was my main focus, my main goal, and nothing else mattered. So where ever I would go I wouldnt be staring at women, I wouldnt be waiting for a reaction, I would be B-lining it to either go get high or do whatever I wanted to do (when I was high I was selfish as fuck and didnt care about anyone but myself). This is why the drugs made my game seem so good. I stumbled upon a red pill truth by accident. Drugs never made my game any better, they just shifted my focus. Gave my life "purpose/meaning" gave me a reason to wake up in the morning. I still got rejected but I was too high to give a fuck, I said what I wanted to say and did what I wanted to do, because I was, again, too high to give a fuck.

Lesson Learned: That is why red pill says be on your purpose, no matter what it is (for your sake I hope it isnt drugs). Find it or something close to it, until you do find it, make a fucking plan, put on the blinders and stay on that fucking path, each step and move you make should be focused towards that goal, walk through anyone who is in your way and dont give a fuck about what anyone does or says about it (this doesnt mean be a psychopath dick head, you know what Im saying) and most of all stop worrying about women, If you're like me your focusing on woman more than you should be. You are afraid because you arent getting success with them or you arent approaching enough that youre doing the wrong thing or not enough. WRONG.

Stay on that fucking path and on your purpose and if a woman happens to catch your attention while youre on it, smile, approach or keep it moving. The woman will come, they will smell the drive on you as you walk past. Now I am not saying to be an anti social workaholic either. Strike up conversations with anyone you want. In fact everyone, but do it because you want to and to entertain yourself, and help your social life, not because you want validation.

TL;DR: Find your purpose, make a plan, follow the fuck out of it, dont let anyone stop you or shake your focus. Treat your purpose/goals like a drug addict treats a drug, The women will come on their own.


[–][deleted] 185 points186 points  (15 children)

I spent 4 years as an addict. 10 months of that was spent in rehab and I continued to use after that for another two years. The amount of life I wasted was insane, but thankfully I picked myself up by the bootstraps and got my life together.

I still enjoy alcohol socially, I still enjoy smoking pot to relax, but I will not touch hard drugs again. It's not because I don't enjoy them, sticking myself with a needle and drifting off is my favorite feeling in the world and I miss it every day. I will not touch them because I know if I do it one time I will ruin my life again.

Good insight.

[–][deleted] 75 points76 points  (0 children)

I've been off hard drugs for 10 years next week. props.

[–]Dopana 28 points29 points  (7 children)

Just curious but how long have you been off hard drugs? I couldn't imagine drinking or smoking without eventually going back to heroin/cocaine/xanax/etc. Do you work a program with a sponsor?

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (6 children)

I do not work any programs or sponsors. I have been off hard drugs for 3.5 years. In this time I did cocaine once but did not continue relapsing. I am much more tempted to use hard drugs when I do not allow myself to occasionally smoke and drink. The hardest part now is keeping my pot intake to a minimum where it does not effect my productivity and mission. There are weeks where I smoke too much and lose sight of my goals.

[–]mankface 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Tangential question if I may, truly interested in your opinion.

When you were at your worst, what would have been the most ideal solution, process to recovery, or assistance assuming the world was perfect and could offer it?

Or, does the only true change come from within? As in external processes are not useful?

Congratulations for holding onto your reigns, overcoming your weaknesses must feel empowering. All the best

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I don't understand what you're saying. At my worst I wanted to quit or at my worst I wanted to be able to use without consequence. Is that what you're asking?

[–]mankface 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If someone was to help you, how best could they have done so?

[–]Johknee5 6 points7 points  (2 children)

There are weeks where I smoke too much and lose sight of my goals.

Wouldn't you call that, addiction?

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Depends on your view of it. Yes I smoke pot more than I want. But this is coming from a guy who spent $100 on cocaine and heroine a day for 3 years. Stealing from my loved ones and every word out of my mouth was a lie. I never set out to quit smoking weed.

[–]joseph177 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We're all addicted to something. Water, food, pussy, vanity, caffeine, etc, etc. Some are vital, others socially acceptable, and some illegal.

[–]joh2141 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I never went to rehab but for me the drugs were coke and molly. I just decided it got too bad for me and I stopped. It was definitely hard but IMO quitting cigarettes was the hardest thing for me. Overcoming addiction is really not easy

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Cigarettes are very hard. I still struggle with them. I cut sober smoking about I still smoke a pack every night I drink. I recently bought a vape for when I drink and haven't smoked a cigarette in 4 months. Vaping is so queer though.

[–]joh2141 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah vaping feels weird and doesn't quite cut it with the same cathartic feeling of a cigarette drag but I did use e-cigs to help quit and then I just phased out vaping altogether.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (6 children)

Before i even read this congrats on the point, you've been dropping some bombs lately, good shit.

[–]1TrenGod37[S] 31 points32 points  (5 children)

Thank you I appreciate it. More to come. I've been writing a lot lately so I have some already written. I've been through hell and back And this sub has helped saved My life and turn it around completely. I couldn't be more grateful. And I'm passionate about helping my fellow brothers. So stay tuned

[–]aasman1 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm very interested because you are named tren god. Are you using stetoids? How does that fit into this whole equation?

[–]1TrenGod37[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I'm not on them now. But I used them and will again in the future. Take it how you want personally. But For me. I didn't use them right away. I always been into bodybuilding since a young age. I got to a certain level natural. And then did research. Tons of it before I started. I'm very smart on the subject and do it the proper way that is low risk to my health. Not to mention I'm not stealing from my grandmother, calling off work bc I can't get out of Bed, lying to everyone, or ODing in a bathroom to get my next cycle.

So I'd say it really doesn't fit anywhere in this equation.

[–]IDisagreeHere 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Did you stay in relatively good shape while you were an addict?

[–]1TrenGod37[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Eh. That's a tough one to answer. But I'd say no.

I'd go through periods of sobriety start lifting and then use and fall off. Sometimes I'd last sometime while using. But not long and my physique would pay

[–][deleted] 114 points115 points  (19 children)

Women are attracted to men that don't give a fuck about women. Drug dealers, drug addicts, career criminals, sociopaths and psychopaths, etc. These types of men confirm womens' opinions of themselves.

If you don't give a fuck, you will say and do anything just for shit and grins not caring about any persons validation or opinion. This is the complete opposite of the typical anxiety driven behavior of "beta" dudes. Don't give a fuck means fear doesn't own you.

[–]hypergraphia123 55 points56 points  (3 children)

Lonely incel career criminal here

[–]ItsNotShane 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Pm me, I'm interested in whatever you're doing.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 32 points33 points  (11 children)

This is all very incorrect.

Women are attracted to men that don't give a fuck about women. Drug dealers, drug addicts, career criminals, sociopaths and psychopaths, etc. These types of men confirm womens' opinions of themselves.

Most women do not like abusive men. What women do like is NOT being treated like a greek goddess by men she doesn't know because she has big tits and blonde hair. Being in the presence of a man that can hold eye contact, flirt effectively, and not drool all over them is like catnip to attractive women. Drug dealers/addicts and career criminals all have much better things to be doing then putting every hot chick they see on a pedestal. Women must earn their attention, so it holds a high value to them, which is why they seek it. Sociopaths and psychopaths just don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves. This innate selfishness comes off as confidence.

If you don't give a fuck, you will say and do anything just for shit and grins not caring about any persons validation or opinion.

That is attention seeking behavior, not giving a fuck is not being an asshole and ignoring any and all reactions. There is a very fine line between sitting in the corner with your arms crossed all night being a loner and being mister fake IDGAF, basically ruining the party because your so IDGAF no one wants to be around your stupid ass. This type of IDGAF behavior might get you laid, worked for me a lot. It also decimates your social value with high status people. Once your known as "that guy" you start not getting the invites to the weekend kick backs and calmer events where you can really connect with women in your social group. You'll be invited to larger parties as almost a novelty act because people know you'll do some stupid over the top shit for them to instagram, snapchat, facebook about.

IDGAF isn't just about fear. It's about confrontation and disagreeing when required to stand up for your ideals and goals. There is a bit of fear rejection to it, but now a days it is rare that someone stop you from doing something stupid. They will just record it and put it on youtube. So "rejecting fear" in an outlandish way comes off very much as try hard and attention seeking.

You don't show the world that you don't give a fuck, you let them realize it through your actions, tone, frame, and words. You don't shout it from the mountain tops, you let it seep out through your very essence in conversations, group and personal situations. Honestly if people are saying "oh yeah, TunedtoPerfection that dude just doesn't give a fuck." Your probably pushing the line into try hard a bit to much. When you get it just right people will say things like "Oh he is just very focused." or "He just has strong opinions."

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (7 children)

A redpill is accepting the world as it is. It's clear on empirical evidence alone women are very attracted to sociopaths and psychopaths, criminals, etc. Whether or not it's because women "don't want to be put on a pedestal" or because women as a population are instinctually attracted to such types is irrelevant. We watch what women do and ignore what they say.

I don't give a fuck translates very quickly to not being "a try hard" as well. Having no fear or anxiety in social situations means a person will not avoid confrontation. Lacking the ability to decipher social cues on the other hand has nothing to do with not giving a fuck. Again, fear is the motivator of "beta" behaviors.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Just because women are attracted to those types of people, doesn't mean we should strive to be exactly like them. Also the quality of women attracted to those men usually aren't very high(in regards to criminals/drug dealers). But knowing what parts of those personalities women like allow me to assimilate them into my life to make it better as a whole.

You don't want to emulate being a sociopath. There is no light at the end of that tunnel I know from experience.

Again it is how you display the behavior which will dictate the light it is viewed in

Having no fear or anxiety in social situations means a person will not avoid confrontation.

No it doesn't I have relatively no fear or anxiety expressing myself in public. I avoid confrontations all the time, I usually have much better things to do with my time then confronting some douchebag about their current douchebaginess.

I was cut off today while running daily errands. Dude decided to continue being a dick for an exit or 2 until I got around him. I did pull up side next to him and look over, he was clearly mad, flipping me off and yelling. I could tell if I wanted to I could have confronted him and had a good old fashion road rage yelling match in a dennys parking lot. But you know what I did, I signaled for him to chill the fuck out and went on my way avoiding the confrontation.

I wasn't afraid in the least bit. Dude was like maybe 6 foot weighting in maybe 180 tops soaking wet, skinny as a bean. Driving a Toyota that looks like it hasn't been maintained since it rolled off the lot in 95.

I would definitely do a lot more damage in a fight to him, then him to me. My car could run circles around his, so if I need to get out of dodge no way he's gonna find me once I get some open road. So no fear in my mind. I wasn't anxious about anything, I just kinda felt bad for the dude if anything. Some shit in his life isn't working out and that's painfully oblivious.

But a quick stock of the situation showed me that spending 25 minutes yelling at this dude in a parking lot. A situation that I know can end in punches being throw or worse, was not in my best interest. By your current assumptions I'm beta for not confronting that guy.

Lacking the ability to decipher social cues on the other hand has nothing to do with not giving a fuck

But challenging the norms that those cues are built on very much does. I am not disagreeing with your premise as fear is a major motivator on why "beta's are beta". But the way you are advocating displaying that trait can and has backfired in many people's experience.

I very much advocate pushing up against and crossing that line regularly. But people need to be aware of the line and where it exists. Being an overbearing, blunt asshole and hampstering it away as "Being IDGAF Bro" can ruin your social value beyond repair very quickly.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Certainly a motivated and disciplined individual will calibrate his behavior to his audience. Around women, playing the narcissistic "asshole" can be an effective sexual strategy. Your moralizing aside, it's to a man's benefit to realize the world is not your friend. Let your ego go. Observe, orient, decide, and act in your own best interests. In mixed company, only an idiot would recommend deliberately punting social conventions.

An I don't give a fuck mental model overrides the reflexive anxiety response of your average "beta" dude. The lesson is fear and conditioning should not be the prime motivators for any given behavior.

[–]TunedtoPerfection 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Just because TRP is amoral in it's existence and advice, does not mean you can't have moral stances while discussing it. It just means things that are TRP in nature should be discussed without moral judgement on the actions themselves. Exact Emulation of drug dealers/addicts, criminals, sociopaths and psychopaths is not a TRP philosophy.

Acting with your own best interest in mind certainly is. That advice is always given amorally. I would have no moral judgement against you for anything, provided you could logically prove the action was in your best interest.

What I do believe is morally wrong is believing what is best for your self interests is to take from a society without putting your required share back in. I say this because I would argue it is against your self interests in the long run to do so. Drug dealers/addicts, criminals, sociopaths and psychopaths in general take from societies and leave them worse off then before. Giving advice to emulate them exactly is not working in anyone's best self interest.

I agree being a narcissistic asshole will get you women. I even suggest going about being one for a while to find a moral compass for yourself free of blue bill programming. Emulating the behaviors that the drug dealers, etc. have that are attractive women are very much in your best interest if you want to be attractive to women. Being a burden on society is not attractive to women, it has no place in your sexual strategy.

The lesson is fear and conditioning should not be the prime motivators for any given behavior.

I would 100% agree with this, but add on that there are boundaries. These boundaries are fluid in nature, pushing those boundaries and living in the grey area has proven to be the best course of action when trying to attract women. But crossing to far over those boundaries can have some very negative side effects.

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    [–]TunedtoPerfection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I've known 1 female drug dealer, and yes I did fuck her. Her being a drug dealer did not add or subtract from the experience in any noticeable way. But that life is not something I want to return to, so I have no burning desire to "fuck drug dealers"

    [–]SweetCheeksMagee -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    You would have done more damage than him in a fight? Lmao, that attitude will get you killed. In America, you should always assume that everyone has a gun.

    [–]TunedtoPerfection 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Assume everyone has a weapon, and carry one of my own. But I avoid frivolous confrontations that tend to gravitate towards violence and death. Have much better things to do with my time.

    [–]1Harry_Wangs 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Very correct. A lot of times TRP seems like the blind leading the blind.

    Further, the people who try the hardest for IDGAF actually give the most fucks. They care so much they just can't be normal and chill for once.

    I went from being a beta chode, to being an asshole that gets laid (but with shitty relationships because of my own doing), to a more happy medium.

    Being a normal, social guy, who is more interesting than the average person and knows how to escalate is probably the best way to do things. Lifting, having a good job, and looking good also make things easier, but I do those things for myself. However, it is tough to teach this to someone struggling with women. It sounds very much like "just be yourself", which is quite ineffective for beta chodes.

    Unfortunately, having a a true purpose in life is difficult to find. The issue is when we as men, place our lack of purpose, our emptiness in the hands for women to fulfill. I think its fine to not have a purpose or a true focus, as long as realize women are not the ones to give us meaning.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You're not wrong, but you're essentially just going into greater detail than OP. It takes time to internalize and learn what truly 'not giving a fuck' means to you, in the productive and healthy sense. You're right in saying "it is a very fine line." This line is what separates the caveman, low confident try-hards from the successful IDGAF alphas.

    For instance, the other night I was driving through my city and some drunk asshole (the 'caring' type of asshole) decided to follow his gf as she merrily crossed the street in front of my moving car. She made it clear, no problem, but by the time his entitled ass was crossing my lane, I was lining up to kill him. This guy starts yelling tough guy slurs to two guys in a blacked out, tinted windows, expensive sports car, with two muscle bound, 6'1", experienced fighters in the front seats. I look at my buddy and he shrugs. I continue to slowly drive past to our destination.

    I believe this story illustrates the difference between the IDGAF try-hard and the IDGAF naturals. Drunk guy had something to prove and was terribly dependent on his ability to demonstration that. My buddy and I would gladly have gotten out of the car, not exchanged a single word with each other, or our target, and proceeded to lay into a rather swift and brutal beat down. The difference is, I would have done it for the challenge. I don't give a fuck about the law or the consequences, even though i'm well aware of them. I'm in it just for the sheer adventure and challenge of a street fight instigated without a moments notice; my buddy included. My only advice is to be well aware of the risks and if you do get caught/your ass beat/kill some one/ get shot by police, whatever, realize that you took action knowing full well the possible consequences. You must factor these risks into your IDGAF persona, as they are very real. You'll often receive challenges from insecure assholes who have something to prove when you display IDGAF level confidence.

    [–]TheReformist94 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    *if they're good looking.

    If you aren't and you go about life not giving a fuck,you're life just carries on as usual,and people and women won't open you/ check you out etc

    [–]biggerbetterjobs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Women generally speaking aren't attracted to criminal behavior, they're attracted to men who know what they want, know what they're about, and live life by their rules. Lots of criminals just happen to do that too. That being said I'm sure there are chicks who only date criminal thug life types.

    Oh yeah they're usually physically attractive and tough too.

    [–]InfiniteAscent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Women are attracted to men that don't give a fuck about women. Drug dealers, drug addicts, career criminals, sociopaths and psychopaths, etc. These types of men confirm womens' opinions of themselves.

    Which opinion of themselves does it confirm? I know that they are attracted to these types, but how is it self confirming to them?

    [–]jay1451 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Kind of serendipitous that I see this post after my convo just last night with a coworker.

    I basically said to her that my discipline comes from quitting hard drugs (mainly meth). Your body isn't designed to feel that way for that long. When I was high I was so "on-point" and positive about the future. I was making long-term plans and doing well at work. Until the come-down came. And it always came.

    Anyway, pulling yourself out of that lifestyle is hard as fuck, but if you can pull yourself away from something like that and continue to abstain, that level of discipline bleeds into all other facets of your life. Just like the lack thereof would have bled into other facets of mine as I would have spiraled out of control.

    Since quitting meth (2yrs) I've quit smoking cigs, go to the gym 5/7 days a week, got a better job, got my car back, health insurance back, and started saving my money. And what got the ball rolling in the first place was the discipline it took for me to quit such a toxic lifestyle. Although sometimes I do miss the nights where a Tinder slut would do a line off my dick.

    [–]vorverk 15 points16 points  (1 child)

    Also correlates with why I have a ton of attention from women since I got in a LTR. It's pre-selecion, but also the girls not knowing I'm in LTR see that I don't care about them and just keep sending me IOIs. While the guys trying too hard to hook up and pick up women look pathetic.

    [–]chadjugo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Guys, don't think this means settle into a shitty LTR and then use that as pre-selection. I too don't think you should hit on every women you see, but you should still be approaching.

    [–]Dont_StopBelievin 8 points9 points  (5 children)

    I can really relate to your post. When I was using (400-500mg oxy/day) I would be a social butterfly, now that I'm on suboxone therapy, I still get laid, but it comes from Tinder/Bumble.. no credit there. Day game is completely dead, zero self-confidence in cold approaches. I have a shit ton of work to do on myself.

    [–]1TrenGod37[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Yep as did I. You will get there. Keep trucking

    [–]BrodinsOats 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    If you're doing a slow wean off suboxone, it's like you're in threshold withdrawal or PAWS for a long time. Within a month of weaning off suboxone, my energy levels skyrocketed.

    Just be wary of the pink cloud. Stay vigilant, don't fall into habitual pot or alcohol usage justifying that it's not as bad. While that might be true, it will stunt your recovery.

    [–]Dont_StopBelievin 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I've been drugs free (besides the subs) for 5 years. I grab a few drinks maybe once every few months.

    Been on a stable dose for 2 years. Started lifting, but the energy / motivation is null. I know you're not a doctor, but is it time to start lowering dosage? Hmmm..

    [–]BrodinsOats 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Something to think about, for sure. What's your dose?

    [–]OpiumDesVolkes84 13 points14 points  (2 children)

    I think part of the appeal of opiates for me is that I can last so much longer in bed and it boosts my confidence. I have had lifelong premature ejaculation and as soon as I starting taking opiates I noticed I could go for 30-40 minutes when in the past I was a one pump chump.

    However on the downside I notice that it brings down libido. Nofap become really easy to do since I would not react to porn in the same way anymore.

    [–]1TrenGod37[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Yea I used that excuse too man. Now I am sober and last too long. Be careful what you wish for.

    When you first come off opiates your dick is so sensitive you can sneeze wrong and nut. It takes a couple months before things get back to normal.

    There are ways without drugs to Last longer. Look on here they have them. And not to mention sex sober is better. You can actually feel it. I'd never nut on opiates. So wtf is the fun in that?

    It's seems you're more worried about her and what she thinks than yourself. That's an issue In itself

    [–]adam_varg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    There is effective non addictive not too dangerous drug to treat premature ejaculation. Adipoditenin or something, ask around steroids subs.

    Also do kegels and when you get newbie gainz behind your belt start using them during masturbation and sex.

    [–]Digons 15 points16 points  (9 children)

    Not to OP, but people should learn how to live without weed as well

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      [–]InfiniteAscent 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      This is the funniest fucking thing I've seen today.

      [–]BrodinsOats 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Agree big time. I got sober from heroin and spent way too much time dicking around with weed afterwards.

      Now I'm completely sober (save for an occasional single beer when socializing), and it's a big difference.

      [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      A note to divorced dads, make it clear for every single girl you see that your kids are important to you and that they're way more important than her.

      Because that's the way things work. As OP described.

      [–]1TrenGod37[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Read a lot of your posts man. Thanks for the content

      [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I stay healthy, sober and happy because red pill brothers helped me.

      The red pill, helping addicts stay clean. The missing key element of Alcoholics Anonymous is to lift.

      [–]1TrenGod37[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      You've come a long way. Congrats

      [–]CarnivOre93 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      This is excellent brother, drug user here and I can also attest to this. Game is impeccable while high and you've hit the nail on the head as to why.

      [–]CarnivOre93 2 points3 points  (6 children)

      I feel the same way brother, still an occasional user (insert opiate of choice) is a limitless pill

      [–]1TrenGod37[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

      There's no such thing as occasion when it comes to opiates. If you like it and you're "occasionally using"

      You're an addict and You don't even know it yet.

      Is that a fact? Probably not. But out of the 2000 ppl I've been around. Talked to. Seen happen before my eyes. It holds true. So it's a fact to me. And no. You're not any different than us. We all thought we were too. That we were mentally strong and it couldn't happen to us. Well it did and it will you too if you keep touching the shit

      [–]CarnivOre93 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      I know Ima an addict. Trying to save myself from my inbox flooding with 1000 hateful comments and getting banned from trp. I didn't realize so many of us here at trp used opiates but glad I'm not alone.

      [–]1TrenGod37[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      RP is amoral. We don't judge. We just want what's best for you

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      All it takes is an injury and get prescribed pain killers and take percs for 30 days and the strongest man will get hooked.

      [–]CarnivOre93 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I had a brain injury w metal plate in my head I know. But you know fucking normies don't get it and just wanna judge you as "ew a druggie".

      [–]Aaronindhouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      My friend starting smoking cigarettes occasionally with his brother. He said he wasn't addicted and would never buy a pack himself so it would never be a problem. Fast forward a few months and he buys his own packs now and needs to smoke a few times every day. And that's just plain cigarettes.

      [–]rebirthandrecover 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I just got a year sober myself. Being an alcoholic was NOT good for my game. Congratulations on your recovery and even though you say it doesn't mean shit, I totally disagree. In the grand scheme of things, it's a big deal and you should be proud.

      [–]ChuckCassadyJR 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      This is very true. I was on Coke for 4 years virtually every day. Only been off it 100 days to the day (that's huge for me as I rarely went 3 days without for years) and what you're saying is all 100% true. It's like I've lost my power since ditching the Coke. I've lost 20lbs and my overall health is improving though, so there's that haha.

      [–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Good progress. Keep it up, mate

      [–]wander_company 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      100% same thing with me man. We have a very similar story. I actually did better with girls when i was using than i do now. Why? Unintentional genuine DGAF attitude.

      Super glad someone you observed this too, the way you describe it has actually helped it me internalize it more

      Congrats on being clean man! I'm going on 2.5 years now. I use kratom and drink occasionally but i've grown a lot

      [–]GunnarX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Kratom is 🔥. Love the stuff.

      [–]Dopana 6 points7 points  (5 children)

      I feel you hard dawg. I'm only like 3 months clean, but I've noticed that it is way harder to talk to girls than it was when I was using. I'm just gonna have to shift my focus I guess -.-

      [–]1TrenGod37[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      Take it from me man. That will change. Just keep improving and practicing. I'm better now then I ever was on drugs. And it's real confidence. Not chemically induced

      [–]Dopana 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Real talk? Sounds like some "life beyond your wildest dreams" fleek

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        [–]1TrenGod37[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        It's in the post. First paragraph

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I had been rolling around a theory similar to yours in my mind for a while.

        For myself, what I observed, was when I had been drinking for a couple days in a row and was hung over, I would ALWAYS do better with women. For instance i'd go out friday night, get drunk. Saturday, I'd go out, not feeling very well, but I would start drinking and loosening up. Every single time I would go out hung over and have a drink or two, i'd almost always slay.

        The take away I assumed, was that when I was hung over, I was more relaxed and displayed more of IDGAF attitude, because in reality, low energy and lack of ambition was suppressing my usual low-level social anxiety and my concern for obtaining pussy.

        Clearly, women are very in tune with your body language and intent. They can tell immediately if you're thirsty and they can even tell if you're trying to cover it up, to a large degree.

        You're right in stating that we must all develop a passion, purpose, mission that becomes our main interest in life. Until we stop placing women as our primary objective, they won't want us.

        [–]fuckeduphomebody 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Big fucking post. Thanks forme sharing.

        [–]Valentinus9171 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Thank you for sharing that story brother it really gives new perspective on what we have been discussing here. If you are your own man. With your own vision. And your own goals then all else will fall into place. The trick is finding something the really moves you and hopefully is productive.

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        [–]TheRedditGod 2 points3 points  (3 children)

        Idk psychs usually just destroy my ego, making me a lot less confident

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          [–]Fedor_Gavnyukov 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          that's interesting. the only drugs i've felt like the king of the world on were x, coke and meth. acid i never did in public and only with close friends. that used to rip my head off.

          [–]im-root 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Hate to ruin the perfect 420 upvotes count but this post was ON POINT. Astute observation my friend.

          [–]2Dmva100 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Being an addict teaches you the most important life lesson, and it has nothing to do with drugs: Nobody is going to fix your problems except you.

          [–]reddttt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I didn't felt like an addict even though everytime I got out with my buddies, the moment we started drinking we did cocaine. Some other times we dropped xannies and drove around (really fucking stupid, I know). I didn't crave those two drugs but I can understand why someone would. It's for the best just to ditch these things, they are very temporary feelings and ultimately are destroying you with the illusion that they aren't.

          [–]baardpastei 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          First paragraph sounded like you had an awesome life. The world is a fucked up place and we all have ways to deal with it, and this was yours. To me it seems to have worked.. at least until some point. Then why try going off drugs? "Drugs are bad".. HAH! Hard drugs will always be demonised for some peoples' personal gain, not because they're "bad" so keep buying that shit that your life will be better without it. You're already gonna die soon enough so rather do it in a fashion.

          [–]MeatRock 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          This is why I don't consider addiction a disease. If you allow pussy, food, drugs, Netflix or whatever the fuck urges you have to control your life, they will. Good discipline, grit, and impulse control are the key to success.

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

          Here's why they call it a disease.

          Take someone who has diabetes. They can control their blood sugar with insulin and a good diet.

          What they can't control is the symptoms and when they arise. Symptoms will come and go their whole lives and there's nothing they can do because it's a disease.

          Like an addict can't control cravings. They may come and go their whole life especially in the presents of the drug. And during early recover cravings are fucking insane and very intense. Your brain is literally rewired to want the drug more than food. Water. Sex. Anything.

          So you can imagine when your hungry and haven't ate in 2 days the extend you will go to to get food. This is what it's like to use for 8 years and then the first week you don't have it. Your body goes mental.

          That's what makes it so hard. But they call it a disease because of the uncontainable CRAVINGS you may experience your whole life. but anything else is up to the person. Aka to actually use or not

          But in my experience the cravings get a lot better and manageable with time. Almost non-existent if you use your time wisely and make something of your life. Aka eating healthy as a diabetic.

          [–]MeatRock 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          Type 2 diabetics can be completely cured if they get their ass in gear before the diabetes destroys them from the inside out. Here's the thing, a lot just don't want to. They'd rather be ravaged by a disease and controlled by their cravings until the point of no return. Opiates aren't much different. In fact, long term compliance with treatment for drug abuse and treatment for hypertension or heart disease is about the same.

          I get it. There's an urge and there's changes in the brain compounding the urge. Mental toughness is what separates the losers and winners. I'm glad you had the mental toughness to get clean. Now you can take all that drive you had to get high and put it towards whatever you want.

          I don't buy the rhetoric around addiction and other self induced maladies. They've been feeling sorry for themselves for years, that's how they got this way. That's the lie they told themselves to stay that way. Now I gotta refer to everything as a disease? People need a kick in the ass and higher expectations.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Diabetes type 2 is nothing less than carb addiction.

          The disease of body is caused by structural protein changes caused by elevated sugar levels.

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Right and thus that's why it's labeled as a disease. I agree people use it as an excuse to keep using because, as you said they don't want to stay clean. I do know I am prone to getting drug cravings my whole life and that's why they label it as that.

          You're not born with type 2 diabetes that comes from poor habits. They claim you are born with an addictive personality tho. And once you're on something those cravings may always be there and there's nothing you can do to stop them. But I agree it's up to the person to pick up in the first place. So it's just the cravings I'm talking about.

          But in the end it's all up to the person if they give into the urge or not

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          such truth, all my buddies and I joked a lot about how good our game was when jammed. This was back in college and we were all getting down. Naturally this is not a sustainable life but I felt invincible going up to chicks while high. Probably cause you give off this vibe that your having a good time (and your high so you are) and everyone digs that energy.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Great post... on another note, how did you finally kick the habit and go sober?

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Vivtrol for the first couple months. And red pill along the way

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          One thing I can really relate to in this post is how much women are attracted to guys who want to get high. They can sense that honest yearning in you, they know that you offer them a good time, because when you are always looking to get high, you are a walking good time. Damn, this post is making me miss those days, I feel like getting high and slamming a stray....

          [–]caffeinum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          That is just what I got to myself. I have made this point from alcohol, not from drugs, but I have come to the same conclusion.

          Every man should have his Thing, his purpose. Without it he is empty and boring. Without purpose, depression comes in.

          Someone makes family his Thing, and roughly these are "betas". Someone makes money his Thing, and with enough will and ambition they are millionaires now. Man should exist on purpose and such men attract not only women, but people in general.

          That is my small conclusion from watching myself in different circumstances, drunk, sober, focused or not.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Hey OP; I read this last night, enjoyed it and wanted to ask you a few questions.

          1) I tried Xanax(I know it's not an opiate) for the first time last year and loved it. I tend to be in my head, but off a xan I couldn't believe how forward I was and the person that I was being. Example; a girl rejected me pretty harshly (laughed at me in front of her friends & a white knight laughed too) and I could honestly say I didn't care. Is the sheer not-give-a-fuckness what drew you to opiates or something else?

          2) Take me through a day in the life of opiate addicted you and non-opiate addicted you.

          3) What do you do for a living?

          4) Blue cheese or ranch with your wings?

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          1. Pretty much. And the fact I had hell of issues that it allowed me to run from instead of face

          2. Opiate me = wake up need to get high. Spend almost all day finding how to get high. Gets high. Knods out watching tv. Or weekends goes to bar fuckings women hope he doesn't get aids.

          Non opiate me = go to work. Go to gym. Get my shit done. Go to school. Chill with girlfriend. Meal prep. Go out to eat with friends. Softball on weekends. Lift. Lift. Lift. Read. Etc

          1. I work in the medical field.

          4 ranch with my wings. Blue cheese with my celery

          [–]dragonhunter031 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          it seems that sometimes people need a radical aproach meaning not doing any drugs, but for others they can do drugs socially and still be off the hard ones

          [–]TehJimmyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I gotta ask , have anyone found a purpose better than drugs/porn (in my case) which gives them the same high. To me atleast it seems impssible.If so , what was it.

          [–]Cvnnvbiswerks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Good job on the clean time man!

          [–]aDrunkenWhaler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Great post, but I could swear I read it before, maybe around 1year-ish before.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children)

          Clean but taking roids. Lol

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

          Nope not on them. Anyway I don't classify that as the same anyway. I'm not stealing, getting sick, calling off work, doing scumbag shit and ODing in a bathroom because of roids. If you're calling roids not clean you might as well call caffeine and nicotine not clean

          [–]ItsNotShane -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

          You're lame as fuck for taking roids. Earn a body naturally. Always taking shortcuts in life.. PATHETIC. Shriveled testicles and being a moody lil bitch are not things a Red Pilled man should want. How's that back acne, high blood pressure, night sweats and anxiety treating ya? Pussyboy. Too weak to discipline your diet, sleep and working hard in the gym. You probably work out 30 minutes max and have baby sized calves.

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          lmfao oh the hypocrisy in that comment. Wait a minute. I thought I was supposed to be the one with the roid rage?

          [–]ItsNotShane -1 points0 points  (3 children)

          No one's raging. My heart rate is calm and steady, you wouldn't know about that though hahaha. Fucking loser before drugs and after drugs, actually you're still on drugs technically. Idiot.

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Nope off them as I stated above. But as far as my shrunkin nuts go. I like them. Make my dick look bigger 😉

          [–]ItsNotShane -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          But as far as my shrunkin nuts go. I like them. Make my dick look bigger

          Dude probably because you already have a small dick. I mean, you're taking steroids to achieve muscle mass to impress bitches because you aren't on opiates anymore and your game sucks. You're once again, PATHETIC. No other way to spin it, turn it, twist it, bop it. You're P.A.T.H.E.T.I.C.

          Drug- A drug is any substance (other than food that provides nutritional support) that, when inhaled, injected, smoked, consumed, absorbed via a patch on the skin, or dissolved under the tongue causes a physiological change in the body.[2][3]

          physiological change

          WHICH ROIDS DO. Absolutely daft juicehead.

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          [–]ayylma088 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

          I have absolutely no fucking purpose in life to be honest...

          I have a great job, earn decent money. Have a uni degree and will soon have my masters too ... but ... I don't have a bigger plan in mind.

          I go to work, come home watch tv shows/porn/play video games and go to sleep these days.

          Also I simply cant bring myself to workout ...

          [–]hb8only -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          well.. it is like I have post a post with title: she doesn't be your nr.1

          it goes like this:

          ..after thinking about hot women in my circle/city, I found out an interesting pattern: the most hot girls are with guys who: 1) are really hot and can have any girl *this is self explanatory 2) have something what they want more than hot girl let’s talk more about men from second group: 1) alcoholics - they love to drink and need drink more than girl, they are addicted

          girls wanna change them to be “good” and have them as nr.1 in their lives
          

          2) casino visitors - they love playing machines and are addicted

          girls wanna change them to be “good” and have them as nr.1 in their lives
          

          3) people very heavy interested in something (racing, fights, money..)

          girls feels they are nr.2 for them at the best
          

          4) people with families (wife and or kids)

          girls feels they are nr.3 after wife and kids OR nr.2 after kids 
          

          it’s just sad confirmation of the redpill truth: she doesn’t wanna be your nr.1 (she is just trying to be) tldr: she doesn’t wanna be your nr.1 in life this post is also a small impulse for discussion - I’m interested of your observations and your experiences :)

          tldr:drugs were your nr.1 so girls were on the second place - they loved it!

          [–]As32b -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

          This same story is posted here once a week.

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Welcome to the red pill, join the hivemind famalam

          [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Red pill helps addicts getting sober. Numerous evidence. What's your problem?

          [–]As32b -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          The 'problem' is that there's a post almost on a weekly basis, where the narrative is always the same: opiate abuser who fucks a ton and has good job etc., gets sober, no longer gets laid because now drugs aren't all he cares about, "The great TRP lesson" in the end.

          Of course it's fucking great if you get sober. But reading the same story over and over again makes you question if it's real. And even if it is real, I really don't know why should it be always posted here.

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          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 8 points9 points  (16 children)

          It's not God mode. It's called core confidence. You don't have any, and the alcohol and drugs give you false confidence.

          I used to say the same shit. But it was all an excuse to keep using. I wanted to be the way I was on drugs. But my insecurities, lack of confidence, anxiety, lack of frame, outcome dependacy wouldn't allow me to. So I'd keep using. But it was all fake. It was all bullshit. I didn't need that to become the person I wanted to be. And neither do you.

          Now I'm on "God mode" but I don't use drugs or alcohol. In fact I'm better now than then. And it's all real. Not chemically induced.

          [–]CarnivOre93 0 points1 point  (7 children)

          My brother so have you managed to tap into the powers of the opiates, without actually using the opiates yet?

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

          I mean you have to be realistic. Opiates release an absurd amount of dopamine into the brain. That amount of dopamine makes you reach a level of happiness that isn't achievable without drugs. So it's impossible to "feel" that good.

          But.. as far as behaving In a manner that you do while using. Confidence, outgoing, carefree, social, etc.

          That is definitely achievable, and a lot more rewarding. So yes I have tapped into that. I can be exactly as a I was on opiates. Actually better just without the euphoria. Which you get over, over time.

          And before you waste your time asking me what's the secret short cut to do it. There is none.

          Hard work and everything this sub preaches. (sidebar to start) is how you achieve that.

          [–]CarnivOre93 -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

          The euphoria part goes without saying. Shockingly, I'm not an idiot. How long have you been sober for?

          Something I've considered- is to do a cycle while I transition off drugs. Is this what you did?

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

          In the end it's just replacing one for another. Juice is a healthier addiction if used correctly. But no I lifted natty for sometime before I cycled. You've been sick and depleted for a long time. If you start lifting natty during your transition off drugs you'll make tons of progress. Esp if you haven't lifted much before.

          You don't need juice right away and shouldn't jump right into that. It's a bad bad idea. Esp if you relapse on it. Then it's double trouble. Get clean stop replacing one for another. Take sometime. Lift natty and then decide

          [–]CarnivOre93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I've been lifting natty for a while. My lifts are decent and steadily rising. I weigh 160 10% body fat. I'm looking to add a little mass (all lean) and lower my body fat percentage some more. I've got my diet and lifting routine on point. My goals are not to look juicy, I just want facial aesthetics and to look good naked which I have achieved and my only goals fitness wise now are to continue improving my physique.

          [–]CarnivOre93 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

          I've been lifting natty for a while. My lifts are decent and steadily rising. I weigh 160 10% body fat. I'm looking to add a little mass (all lean) and lower my body fat percentage some more. I've got my diet and lifting routine on point. My goals are not to look juicy, I just want facial aesthetics and to look good naked which I have achieved and my only goals fitness wise now are to continue improving my physique.

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Steroids don't help you get cut. That's All diet. Steroids get you huge. Some of them speed up your metabolism a bit. But if aesthetics is all you want. You need to perfect your Diet not take roids.

          Roids don't get you jacked over night. And they certainly don't allow you to eat like shit and stay lean. Most ppl think this is true and it's not.

          All steroids either do this. Repair muscle faster. Better use the nutrients you put in your body. Harden the muscle. Hold water. There's a couple that do more but for the most part that's it.

          So if you eat like shit and don't train hard you won't get nearly as good of results. And they do nothing for body fat Besides dnp which kills people if used wrong.

          Im willing to bet at 10% bf your diet can use some work. I'd start there. If then you decide you hit a platue and want to add some lean mass try a cycle but beware there is no just one cycle.

          [–]freshaf69 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Thats what Im getting at .. even my 'confidence' is not real when I'm on drugs or alcohol.

          Im just saying it was feeling like its on GOD MODE.. What was your best way of improving your confidence.. Toastmaster/improv or just small steps

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Small steps man. It doesn't happen over night. Read about confidence in this sub and RSD is what helped me

          [–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It was called "liquid courage"

          [–]sketchyuser 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          So you're saying you got the core confidence by changing your focus?

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          It helped but no. There's no one trick. It takes time.

          Changing focus makes you look less needy. And thus makes you more attractive

          [–]1sucker4love 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Thank you so much for writing your initial post, and even this last comment. It was really what I needed to hear and understand. You have helped some others already, but definitely me. Kudos to you on being clean for a year and realize it may be a daily or weekly struggle. Keep on conquering every day!

          After retiring from the military 7 years ago, I thought that I could finally focus on MY life and not the MISSION. I always knew the military needed me, but didn't realize how much I needed the military (structure, camaraderie, mission goals, projects, deployments etc...). I thought that shifting my focus to my family and wife which is what I longed for would be a good thing, but it didn't work out for me as I became lost. Once I became lost, I focused on my wife even more and have tried everything as to not lose her. Of course, in my quest to not lose her, it appears as if I am losing her or have already lost her.

          I came to this realization (of focus) a few days ago on my own and was doing very well, but then I regressed this morning. My wife even commented on my confidence and demeanor. The fear of losing my wife of 27 years makes me very fearful as a man. By that I mean everything I've/we've built in our lives may just have completely shattered. I just need to get back on that horse! Thank you again.

          [–]1TrenGod37[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Glad I can help. Hope it sticks