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Red Pill ExampleCompletely amazing stuff. Wife cheats on husband. But he made a clever prenup. She then says she was 'blackmailed' into cheating. (self.TheRedPill)

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TL;DR: You have it in the text. Wife cheats on husband. He made a clever prenup. She then says she was 'blackmailed' into cheating.

  • Body of text

First, the link https://archive.is/nV5Yf

Now, dissect

She graduated and we moved in together and started planning the wedding. I should say that because of my parents, my job and inheritance I had my friend (we'll call him Derek) who's a divorce lawyer to draft up a prenup. It was basically just an infidelity clause that stated that if infidelity could be proven then money would be separated by income and house would go to the person cheated on. It goes both ways, if I cheated she'd get the house and vice-versa.

This is impressively well done. Even with the guy doing the mistake (Do not get married) he at least had the well thought of doing a prenup like this.

She wanted to have children almost immediately after our first year of marriage.

First red flag for a LTR. If you do not agree to this, you are set for a replacement.

We start looking for work for her and end up finding a job as an administrative assistant for a lumber liquidator (they sell lumber and finished products, like chairs, tables, etc.). It's a local company and the pay is really high for the position so we think jackpot. She interviews and they tell her she gets the job. Great. That was 4 months ago.

Great. New job. With a probably jackass boss...

She has 4 other female coworkers with the same job as her and then her boss works there as well. Her boss is a typical frat bro who inherited his daddy's business. He is known around our town for being a fuckup and uses the business as a bank to fund his party's. I never like the guy.

Of course. How could you like it? He already has four hot asses working (for) him and now your wife is coming to enlarge the list. Also a frat and party guy? Isn’t he the famous Chad Thundercock?

Now we get to the meat of the matter, 3 months ago she starts getting distant from me ... She's on her phone at all hours and keeps it close at all times. ... One night she's in the bathroom and her phone lights up. It has a password but will show any new text on the locked screen. It's someone with her boss' name saying "Be here by 9, no panties." Abby comes out of the bathroom, looks at her phone and starts getting dressed. I ask her what's she's doing and she says she's going out with friends.

I can almost see her dripping wet at the time she read that message. She has found an alpha cock that nails her hard, and of course she’s getting distant.

Derek gives me a number to a PI that will watch her and after a week of her giving me the cold shoulder I call. Maybe I should have just talked to my wife, I don't know. Anyway, the evidence starts rolling in almost immediately and every picture just shatters my heart. Pictures of them at a motel, pictures of them at his house, pictures of them at dinner, you get the idea. This frat wannabe asshole cokehead is banging my wife all over town.

Point to the lawyer, that needed the evidence.

So it all comes to a head on Saturday. We are both off for once and she asks if we can go see a movie. I decline. She keeps asking to do stuff with me and I really don't want to be around her. It must have been obvious that I knew something because she eventually comes into the computer room crying and says she needs to talk to me, it's important ... She says her boss blackmailed her into doing it. Apparently he called her into his office one day and presented her with evidence that she had committed a crime, she's very vague about this part, and she even admits that she was freaking out too much to really verify it. Anyway her gives her an option of police or a blowjob and you can guess which she picked.

Complete bullshit. She knows he knows. And she knows of the prenup. Hamster starts to roll in at 9.000 mph since she knows the beta provider can get her right on the street, and the alpha won’t be picking her up. You can read the rest.

  • Lessons learned

Don’t get married. And if you do, at least get a damn prenup.


[–]Endorsed ContributorTDCRedPill 245 points246 points  (14 children)

We all need a friend like Derek.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (4 children)

and chad. partying with him sounds fun

[–]Syd_G 45 points46 points  (3 children)

Also ask him to test out your girl to see if she's ltr/wife material.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

ltr/wife material

damn dude did you not learn from the story?

[–]sirmadam 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah so add a /s to the end of that then re-read it.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (5 children)

it's a waste of time trying to be derek to be honest

I'm at the stage of my life where most of my friends are married, at first I tried to warn them about making sure they got a prenup, etc but nobody ever listens to that shit. You just end up looking like a fedora because they don't even want to hear it.

The stats are out there, the info is out there. If they want to do 5 mins of googling they can save themselves the hassle later. But few do.

same shit goes for people who are having kids but never get it tested before signing the birth cert. Good luck telling someone, especially in a bad marriage who now thinks the new baby will fix things, that they should get it tested

just sit back, say congrats and laugh

[–]pantsoffire 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Yep, if they're getting married chances are 99.99999 fucking percent they already tell EVERYTHING to the boss. Any suggestion of Pre Nup, look at Divorce Rates, etcetc = You are the bad guy who hates women. Half the time when all is said and divorced- they still look at you with mistrust in their eyes. Divorced Raped, kids turning against them, evrybody telling them what they should of done to keep her happy, etc etc. You still the bad guy. Fuck it.

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 473 points474 points  (69 children)

Smart play is to pick up the phone, hand it to her and say, "You call the police and report this as blackmail and rape. Immediately. No middle ground. I will dial the police number for you."

When she puts the phone back down, you say, "Get out, liar."

Edit: bothered to read the r/ relationships thread. Fake story is my bet.

[–][deleted] 245 points246 points  (26 children)

Yup. Call her bluff.

However, under no circumstances should he show her the pictures. You wait to drop those until she lies in front of the judge come divorce time.

Judges don't like being lied to.

[–]tsudonimh 33 points34 points  (22 children)

Wouldn't the pics come up well before they saw a judge? There's mediation and negotiation first between the lawyers, I understand.

[–]Arcuda 27 points28 points  (20 children)

No matter what it would come up before being brought up in the court room. They have evidence and the defendant has the right to see the evidence.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (13 children)

In a criminal trial, yes. In a civil trial, I'm not so sure.

[–]Squeezymypenisy 16 points17 points  (8 children)

It would come up in discovery.

[–]doveenigma13 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Depends on the trial and state.

[–]_orion 9 points10 points  (2 children)

And how much of a cock your lawyer is. If he was smart he would tell you if he had solid proof to keep it to himself to see if he was ordered to provide evidence so he can honestly say he doesn't know of said evidence or possess it.

[–]Sadpanda596 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Don't know any lawyer that would do that, a Judge would stare down any lawyer that pulled that shit... they'd be lucky to not get sanctioned. Trials aren't like the movies, there are no surprises - hell, a significant surprise is grounds for retrial in a lot of states.

[–]whats_the_deal22 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He's not allowed any surprises. It's called disclosure, ya dickhead.

[–]simple_mech 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Motion to discover or some shit like that.

[–]doveenigma13 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Correct terminology, incorrect usage. During a divorce proceeding there only needs to be discovery on evidence if it is in an "at fault" state. Not much she can fight with anyway. She admitted to adultery which violates the pre-nuptial agreement, if she changes her story during the mediation and it does go to a trial with the judge the photos would be impossible to argue.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

there is a period of discovery to gauge financial assets, even in no-fault states

[–]doveenigma13 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If there's contention over finances or property. Usually it's self reported.

The photos won't be evidence unless it's an "at fault" state. It can be used as evidence if she argues that she didn't commit adultery by showing it to the judge. Since it doesn't have any bearing on child support or alimony she doesn't need to know about it. Use it as a smoking gun to ruin her in front of the judge if need be.

Then send it to all of her friends and family afterwards.

[–]stringerbell 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Yup. Call her bluff.

Oh my god no! I've seen women in this position - and every single time they chose to go with the lie, even if it ruined an innocent man's life.

[–]juliusstreicher 12 points13 points  (1 child)

The innocent man in this case being the man who cuckolded the husband? TS.

Also, it would be easily disproven.

[–]1FrogTrainer 122 points123 points  (13 children)

later: "he blackmailed me into making false police reports"

gotta be careful with desperate women, sometimes they double down.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 90 points91 points  (11 children)

Women have a lot of power in saying something wasn't their fault because someone else forced them. It fascinates me how we all intrinsically believe this, and how women use this to get away with murder. It's as /u/Whisper said, women angle for pity because it works. Men don't, because it doesn't.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (4 children)

Yep. If a man says he was forced to do something then he is weak willed and deserves to be punished.

If a woman says she was forced then she's a poor widdle victim.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 40 points41 points  (3 children)

Yes. We appear hard-wired to aid weak women but shun weak men. Our instinctual expectation of the masculine is to be strong. We don't expect women to be strong. And in that, there is a strange perversity; women have a form of power they can leverage far more effectively than men - playing the victim

Men are the experimental gender because we are left to fail. Women are always brought back to baseline and bailed out whenever they fuck up too much. EG: having babies by different daddies has the state paying out the ass and punishing all those men/assuming their guilt, when, for all we know, she told every man she was on contraception when she wasn't.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus 11 points12 points  (2 children)

women have a form of power they can leverage far more effectively than men

This right here. It isn't spoken of much around here but I believe the majority of women are more powerful than the majority of men. Men are powerful beings that conquer control and create. We solve all the problems we are presented and force our way into what we want. Women lack in that power but have an abundance of sway over our minds and therefor gain all that we have through head games like this. They use guilt, shame, playing the victim etc to gain the power that men have and use it for themselves. I feel too many men underestimate their power and that's why most of us are here.

[–]johnd277 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is discussed all the time.

[–]SexistFlyingPig 22 points23 points  (4 children)

People who are romantically interested in the lady are more likely to believe her story.

People who aren't (soon to be ex-husband, other women, the judge) won't.

[–]akjoltoy 13 points14 points  (3 children)

You're probably wrong about the judge. If judges were prone to take the man's side we wouldn't have such an epidemic of false accusations successfully screwing over innocent men.

[–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My divorce lawyer was so very nice to me, my ex complained for months that 3 years alimony wasn't "fair".

I told her, next time don't divorce your husband in the middle of a recession that caused him to lose his high paying job, thus making you the sole bread winner.

[–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Actually judges seems to get a lot of fun in screwing over honest people's lives.

In my country, if you're surpised in your house by a (immigrant) thief , you shoot or punch him and harm him, you're almost guaranteed you'll take more prison years than the thief. Judges in general are extreme SJWs, and bored of life.

[–]marty2k 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Since going RP, I've become especially skeptical whenever a woman says "coerced". And of course they are always vague, never actually going so far as to say what happened.

[–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 13 points14 points  (0 children)

So her story to the cops about the husband's blackmail would be "He believed my lies about blackmail and rape, and told me to report it. When I refused, he stopped believing my lies and told me to get out, so I reported it, to convince him my lies were true."

That is not going to qualify as a crime of blackmail by husband. Still a crime on her part, though. My guess is the wife would claim husband was abusive, and that led her to make the false police report. Police most likely would not take that claim of abuse seriously, though; they only do that when they have to respond in the moment it is occurring.

Now, the divorce courts may take her claims of abuse more seriously...no, really, they may, even after an affair and false police report to cover it up.

[–][deleted]  (6 children)

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    [–]1RPAlternate42 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    I figured out early on if my father is asking, he knows.

    The other side of it is that it made me very very aware of ensuring all my holes were plugged.

    Maybe he was teaching me how to properly plan everything to a "T..." something that I do to a fault.

    [–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    My parents always tripled my punishment if I lied about it and then the truth came out. So I'd still be punished for the original problem, but as long as I was truthful about it and wasn't hiding anything, it would be less severe.

    [–]reddumpling 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    Great dad you have there. I could see how the mantra 'You can do anything as long as you don't get caught' was inculcated here.

    [–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    'You can do anything as long as you don't get caught' was inculcated here.

    This doesn't seem what his father was trying to teach him, at all. Only a collateral effect.

    [–]ThrowingMyslfOutther 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Sometime collateral effects are stronger than primary. Such as a tsunami.

    [–]newls 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    When she puts the phone back down, you say, "Get out, liar."

    Damn, I'd pay to watch that.

    Caution might be needed though, since they're all too ready to use this as 'evidence of abuse'.

    [–]5 Endorsed ContributorStayinghereforreal 22 points23 points  (0 children)

    since they're all too ready to use this as 'evidence of abuse'.

    These days, simply making people live with the consequences of their decisions, and withdrawing further toleration of their bullshit is labeled "controlling" and abusive.

    The sense of entitlement to receive from others at least as much as you got yesterday is a real problem for people, it seems. Everyone thinks what they have now is what they are supposed to keep getting, no matter how bad they screw up. Strange world.

    [–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 17 points18 points  (2 children)

    I'm guessing fake as well. There's been a rash of cuck fantasy like this over there lately.

    [–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (1 child)

    I wish I had that kind of free time to post fake reddit stories. I would write a parable about a chubby feminist who meets a muscular lifeguard. The lifeguard paddles her fat ass while she blows his whistle. And lifeguard makes her admit she needs her daddy to make her come again and again

    [–]MagneticJohnson 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    yea I'm gonna need to hear that story

    [–]B_Campbell 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I don't know about that one. This is how a lot of false rape charges happen. There are women that would rather lie to the police then admit they cheated. Happened to my buddy. He was screwing around with a girl with a bf and the lied to the bf saying she was raped. The bf made her press charges. Too much evidence the claim was false but he still had to get a lawyer and go through that nightmare.

    [–]johnd277 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    So the frat bro can suffer a false accusation? This is one of the top three reasons false accusations happen.

    [–]LoneLion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Friend was in this scenario and is now facing false rape accusations.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That won't work because according to her story he's covering up for her, so she could just say "I can't because then he will tell them what I did"

    But it's a good idea otherwsie

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Agree and amplify, and in case of dishonesty, hard next. I love it.

    [–]dreckmal 117 points118 points  (13 children)

    She knows he knows.

    This is all that really needed said.

    He got cold and distant to protect himself.

    I found myself agreeing with a top level post that she probably is pregnant, and she spun this yarn in an attempt to paint herself in a less dark light.

    [–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 64 points65 points  (12 children)

    she probably is pregnant

    Now let's play a game of guess the father.

    [–]dreckmal 46 points47 points  (11 children)

    I'll bet Chad Jr. would be a fitting name for the offspring. lol

    [–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (10 children)

    And if it IS the husbands... he's still on the hook for child support. Pretty shitty.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    If it's not and he's separated and/or in divorce proceedings he might get a pass on having to pay child support for Chad's Bastard Son.

    [–]1RPAlternate42 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    as long as he doesn't sign the birth certificate before the paternity test, he isn't on the hook for anything. Signing the B.C. is the legal hook that gets cuckholded father's paying even after Paternity tests after the fact.

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    Well there are jurisdictions where if you are married and living together at the time of the birth you become the presumed father regardless if it's yours or Chad's Bastard Son.

    I'm sure his divorce lawyer friend is in the know as to what precedence and what not are in his favor and what he needs to do though so I think this guy will be fine since he woke up to the truth.

    [–]1RPAlternate42 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This guy is golden with that prenup.

    [–]AJinxyCat 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Well, if it's his kid, he is responsible for it. I fail to see the problem.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I just said the situation is shitty. He trusted her and got her pregnant; then found out, too late, her true colors.

    Not wrong, just shitty for him.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    At some point the impetus falls on men. Women have been pulling the same shit for millions of years. Any womans ultimate reproductive strategy is this: Secure the best genetics (AF). AND then secure the best resources to raise the child (BB). Now you know the game plan respond accordingly. This is what every woman will be attempting to do from now until extinction so you have plenty of time to prepare your defenses. Its not that hard to understand. Why cant men pull their heads out of their ass. I guess too much pussy on the brain or something.

    [–]monzzter221 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The thing, if she was already pregnant then the "he wants to get me pregnant" means she knows it isn't hubbys.

    Whether she is or isn't pregnant hubby isn't having kids of his own with her.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Can't be. They probably didn't have their monthly "duty to The Party" sex during this.

    [–]rpreader 47 points48 points  (0 children)

    I saw this thread and immediately thought redpill.

    The fact that she trickletruthed and hamstered her "blackmailed" actions is just her saying what was going on in her head, minus the fake blackmail.

    "Oh its just one bj"

    The fact that he had the prenup means she knew she would lose her BB, so out comes the web of lies and hamstering to convince herself she's "not the bad guy"

    [–]1WidmerBeer 47 points48 points  (7 children)

    She's crying because she didn't get to juggle her husband and sancho, this gave her the intuition to know she won't get to keep the house which is why she's crying. Not to mention her salary probably won't supplement her lifestyle once Alpha Boss decides to chuck her and force her to move into the broom closet.

    [–]panzergling 20 points21 points  (3 children)

    brb youtubing old sublime shit.

    [–]6of1halfdozenofother 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Didn't get the reference until your post, so thanks.

    Was super confused about where Sancho Panza figured into this.

    [–]antariusz 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    I'll quote my top rated comment ever on reddit, because it applies here (again)

    She wasn't actually sad about losing you, she was sad that she wasn't getting everything that she wanted.

    [–]teeelo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Not to mention her salary probably won't supplement her lifestyle once Alpha Boss decides to chuck her and force her to move into the broom closet.

    AKA 'Blackmail' in Hamster speak.

    [–][deleted] 93 points94 points  (31 children)

    I found an old Amex statement that had a hotel charge in my wife's ex bf town. It was five years old so I checked archived emails and she had told me she was with a girlfriend in another town.

    When confronted, wife blamed her GF. That's why I immediately shut down the "discussion". You will never get the truth out of a woman because their current feels rewrite the past. And..there is always someone else to blame

    [–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 51 points52 points  (27 children)

    If it's one thing I've learned about women on TRP it's that they never like to admit to anything. They always find someone to place the blame on (preferably a man).

    [–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (25 children)

    Definitely.

    If I were open to a conversation about it then I am sure she could find a way to blame me too.

    "You werent there for meeeeeeeeeeee"

    Funny thing is that TRP predicts and proves that those men that ARE there for her DO get cheated on. The game aware, aloof, assholes get her loyalty. She is too busy chasing him to be bothered with another man cause dick is everywhere and she wants the one she cant have.

    [–]199639 26 points27 points  (23 children)

    Honestly I don't think anyone gets her "loyalty". It's just your turn. No matter how exciting you are (exciting to a woman means all those traits you mentioned), you can't change the fact that as time passes they know you better and you become boring. Being "alpha" will only slightly mitigate or delay the onset of her infidelity, if at all. The biggest factor determining if a woman will cheat is simply if an opportunity presents itself.

    [–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (8 children)

    Thats why you never commit to a woman long term. Six months to a year tops, then move on. And you never live together or mingle finances. Keep it simple, fun, and be ready to walk in a minutes notice. Never become domesticated. She aint the one, there is no one. Shes the right now, thats all.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (13 children)

    Thats my experience. One would think I'd have found TRP ideas sooner.

    [–]MagicGainbow 6 points7 points  (12 children)

    Still with her or divorced?

    [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (11 children)

    Still married. My attorney wants me to have her back at work full time for a period of time.. I'm also documenting time with kids (parent teacher conference, activities I attend)

    I'm gonna drop hammer when it's least expensive and painful to me

    [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    "You werent there for meeeeeeeeeeee"

    My best friend's GF's dad died few weeks ago. My friend single-handedly payed for the whole funeral. The father had 3 other child, non of them gave a single penny. He was emotionally supporting her (and helping where he could) and her father before he passed away (he took of workdays just to be with her).

    On the day of the GF's father death, he was at work, mid shift. He got the call, told her that he will leave work a bit earlier if he could. He couldn't.

    Weeks later after a funeral, they got into an argument which ended up with:

    "When my dad died you werent there for meeeeeeeeeeee"

    You fuckin B.... no, not bitch... Briffault's Law.

    She didn't give a single fuck about all his effort that he did, playing for the funeral (i'm pretty sure he have to? pay for the tombstone too), he did what he could, and it wasn't enough. She HAD to blame someone.

    Btw the dad died in male breast cancer, he was "done" 2 weeks later.

    PS.: i wouldn't call my friend a typical alpha, but he has this "i can walk away time" mentality in they relationship. This kept her in line during the years.

    [–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    If it's one thing I've learned about women on TRP it's that they never like to admit to anything.

    This is the point where solipsism steps into the picture. You have to understand that feeelz are truly rewrites they thinking and memories. They TRULY believe the shit they say, it must be right, feelings are always right!

    If someone would teach me about solipsism at the age of 14, i would have an amazing relationship with my emotionally driver, dumb mother.

    [–]1commentatorX 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Women don't reciprocate the male understanding of 'truth'. It literally means something completely different to them.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    So does their concept of love

    [–]nantucketghost 6 points7 points  (0 children)

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    [–]MagicGainbow 43 points44 points  (1 child)

    Seen that, thankfully he seems to be heavily leaning towards divorce as his image of her has been shattered as either she's a liar or monumentally stupid...and either way not wife material.

    [–]trpiece 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    Tragically beautiful. She got what's coming, he'll be a little more RP.

    [–][deleted]  (25 children)

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    [–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 22 points23 points  (2 children)

    dr_warlock has some facts for you. And a little extra for good measure.

    [–]Modredpillschool 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Reminder to sidebar

    [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (9 children)

    There are a ton of lawyers on TRP. Hell, a few times a week there is a thread started thats basically like two pages of, "I am a lawyer".

    Someone should be the official TRP go to prenup lawyer with a little ad in the sidebar.

    [–]BruhBrehBro 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    make it better call saul themed

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children)

    Or better yet someone to smack the shit out of anyone on here stupid enough to get married. Fuck sake.

    [–]M3_Drifter 9 points10 points  (4 children)

    In the UK, prenups are not worth the paper they're written on. The court will pool your collective assets and distribute as they see fit. So if you there is a chance you may someday live in the UK, don't get married.

    The situation is the same in many former colonies. For example, if you marry a Hong Kong girl, she can do the divorce in HK (because primary connection to HK) by UK-like rules and you will get cleaned out. Not to mention lawyer and plane costs.

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–]M3_Drifter 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I am not a lawyer. I'm sure there are international treaties governing this, which I know nothing about. But: HK law states that if you have a primary connection to HK, then you can get a divorce there under their jurisdiction. That should be an easy argument, since she would presumably be born and raised in HK. She just needs to "go visit the parents", then file and not return.

      Yes, I like asians...

      [–]pantsoffire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Have an upvote. I like your ride by the way.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      So your saying its not in the states best interest to prevent the mans assets from being raided? You dont say! And men still want to vote for more fucking gov.

      [–]dafuqey 7 points8 points  (5 children)

      Just remember both party has to have their own lawyers to make most of prenup valid (fair and equitable clause). One lawyer working for both parties would not work because of conflict of interest. This is why prenup between young newly wed couples are so rare. You gotta ask her: " honey i would like you to get your independent lawyer who would review our prenup agreement for you before we get married" Good luck with that.

      [–]TheGurw 12 points13 points  (4 children)

      My statement to the only girl before my current LTR that I even considered marrying:

      "If you aren't willing to get a pre-nup, we're not getting married."

      She called my "bluff". Her stuff was on my front lawn the next morning. It's pretty plain and simple, if she won't agree to the terms then the contract won't be signed by either party.

      [–]dafuqey 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      I think you are lucky. if she was dumb (or extremely smart) and just signed a prenup (without getting her attorney) and u get married. You would be married to the woman without valid prenup and court will not recognize your prenup (and end up with very very expensive lawsuit in family court and will lose). Furthermore, prenup should be fair. You cant have prenup just favoring one side. In other words, you will have something to lose when you sign a prenup otherwise court will not recognize it.

      [–]TheGurw 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I know how it works. Also: not American. Our prenups aren't required to be fair.

      [–]FACEisEVERYTHING 28 points29 points  (12 children)

      Women will sleep with Alpha men if and when available. There is no such thing as a loyal woman. If she's horny and there's a room, she will get fuked. The problem is that unlike men who cheat, women who cheat are no longer able to respect their bf /husband and no longer able to give them proper sex.

      A man can fuk a woman at 12 o'clock and then give the greatest sex to his gf / wife a few hours later. A woman cannot do that because sex is too emotional and connected to the person she's having it with. As for Alpha males(6'0+, good looking, good bone structure, good physique, pretty much everyone on the misc of coarse), well Keep them away from your woman at any cost.

      If you have an alpha friend, an alpha brother, an alpha son, an alpha father, an alpha neighbour, an alpha boss, etc.. make sure they never ever be in private with your gf / wife. If you go to war, when you come back your will raise another man's child.

      [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      Dude it's crazy how much this is true. I'm 6'4 but still beta even though I've made a lot of progress.

      Recently I went with my roommate and met his friend and the friend's gf. Right away the girl keeps staring at me with big eyes. Pays a lot of attention to me and when her bf is away she gets close and subtly leans her ass into me when we're all waiting in line. All this despite me being too shy. I guess she was horny and I appeared more alpha than her bf so bam she wanted the D right away.

      [–]GoldPisseR 8 points9 points  (7 children)

      Every working woman who constantly hangs out with the opposite sex cheats.

      So many workplace affairs.She spends more time and is on a fucking adventure with her project manager, attraction is inevitable

      [–]FACEisEVERYTHING 10 points11 points  (6 children)

      agree 100%. its virtually inevitable. thats why women were kept at home until the last 50 years or so. society knew women cant control themselves around alphas.

      here is a poll i found online from a very popular poll forum. 70% of women ADMIT to having cheated at some point in their relationship whether it be with a boyfriend or husband

      http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/471683/results

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Dude that poll smells so fake. The principle behind it is sound, but the questions are absolute setups.

      [–]GoldPisseR 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      That survey made my blood boil, even though its complete fucking farce

      Why not break up if your partner's dick is small?

      [–]FACEisEVERYTHING 6 points7 points  (2 children)

      becuase women know they can use men for certain resources and just get their fix of alpha cock elsewhere. best of both worlds.

      this study from a few days ago says women are much more likely to use tinder to cheat then men. almost 40% of women on tinder either in a relationship or married according to globalweb tracking

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3070746/A-people-hookup-app-Tinder-married-WOMEN-likely-cheat.html

      [–]GoldPisseR 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Most women are scared of their bfs to do something this stupid.

      Not a lot of guys however beta would easily let go being played like this

      [–]WellHungMan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Unless you keep them locked up, women will run into guys who are >6'. Does that mean every guy under 6' will have his gf cheat on him with a guy over 6'?

      Guess guys like me under 6' should just stick to casual sex.

      [–]Heizenbrg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      A taller guy commands respect, if you're able to make it seem like you're the taller guy there's no problem. Simply easier to be taller for a man like it's easier for a girl to be pretty.

      [–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children)

      Hulk Hogan had a 60-page "ironclad" prenup. It didn't save him.

      [–]6of1halfdozenofother 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Not that I doubt you, but for edification's sake: link?

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      As reported by Sirius XM talk-show host Bubba The Love Sponge, his "bestest buddy", back in the day. Bubba talked about it all the time because he had an exact copy that he used with his wife, Heather. Not sure if I'll be able to find a link, though.

      [–]Elonine 34 points35 points  (19 children)

      I know I shouldn't really care one way or the other since it's a stranger on the internet...

      But I cannot stop myself from having a physical and emotional response to this. I have no idea why this story hit me more than every other identical story posted here...

      I feel sick...

      The thought has occurred to me that I will never be able to trust a woman. It isn't an angry thought, just sort of a realization that it won't ever happen. I'll never be a rockstar either. Just a fact of life.

      I do feel a but hypocritical though, since I openly mock the shrodingers rapist mindset. .. anyone have input might straighten me out?

      [–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (5 children)

      What you're feeling right now is grief for a relationship that has never existed and will never exist. You will never be loved unconditionally by anyone, let alone your sex partner.

      Good.

      That grief is a symbol of the needy bitch inside of you. It's The needy bitch inside of you that makes pussy dry and also makes you lazy. The sooner that part of you dies, the better. Can a woman make you happy? No, that is a myth. Can a woman complete you? No, that is a fairy tale. You can only make yourself happy and complete yourself, and by doing so, you earn enough respect to make women's pussies wet.

      Just because you aren't a rockstar doesn't mean you can't live the life of a rockstar. Learn how to command respect through money, power, and excellence.

      Let out the sickness, the belief that a woman will love you for you. She won't, she never will. Your mom is the only person who will do that, if you were lucky enough to get one who wasn't a narcissist.

      You've been lied to your whole life by a blue pill society. You're feeling sad, I say feel angry instead. Light the embers of discipline and motivation with your anger. Work on yourself. Work on your career. Work on your passions. Work, and work hard.

      Because women don't reward chodes. They don't reward pussies. They don't reward betas. Women don't get wet when they feel sympathy. They get wet when they feel respect.

      Women reward the winner.

      So now it's time to become a fucking winner.

      IM MAXIM #35: “Men remember being boys. Man has a lucid perspective in comparing the diminished affection of his adulthood to the greater bounty of his childhood. Women do not experience such a significant loss of affection. As such, man is forced to realise he will never again be loved so profusely, for the boy gets his fill, but man loves the most to be loved the least. The profundity of maternal love is longed for, but forever gone. A girlfriend cannot provide that, and is loathe to do so should a weak man demand it. This is perhaps the bitterest of all the pills.”

      [–]Dravous 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      You will never be loved unconditionally by anyone, let alone your sex partner.

      this makes me wonder if gay men don't actually have it better. I mean obviously it's sucked until(perhaps still including) recent times....however the eternal devotion that only men are capable of could be present and mutual in a homosexual relationship...

      oh well I guess....ah what could have been...

      [–]juliusstreicher 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      I think that the only drawback to a homosexual relationship would having to suck a guys dick, or fucking him in the ass or v/v. Also, the lack of women.

      [–]pantsoffire 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      It's due to people like you and comments like this that I subscribed to redpill a couple of years ago. There's something in this that has shifted a teutonic plate in my mind set. Thankyou.

      [–]chokeddownredpill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Likewise. There was another thread where someone remarked about how in olden times the men would fight invaders, and if you died, too bad. The women would get the tingles for the successful invaders.

      I had been taught than men fight to protect women. The realization hit me then that it's to protect their privilege to make the women get the tingles for them, not to protect the women per se. By being strong and succesful they will get those tingles going.

      PS First post, still choking on this damned pill (it looked so small when I started to swallow it...)

      [–]Isaiah4verse1 7 points8 points  (9 children)

      Why do you value a woman's trust more than a man's?

      [–]Elonine 15 points16 points  (8 children)

      It's not that I value the woman's trust more. It's that I won't be romantically involved with a man.

      Do he won't be in a position to rip my heart out by betraying my trust.

      I know, I know, I'm supposed to be all about abundance and idgaf mentality. But thus far, I've been totally unable to rid myself desire for romantic companionship.

      I have guy friends, I trust them. I don't wanna put my dick in them. I guess now that I type it out its the idea that in will never trust a person I'm attracted to...

      just kinda tastes bad.

      just whining, don't mind md

      [–]cariboo_j 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      But thus far, I've been totally unable to rid myself desire for romantic companionship.

      I found these two videos very helpful.

      1. Male mother need and Civilizational draw stifle male individualism
      2. Man, The Self-Loathing

      They are pretty heavy, but they attempt to examine what men are really seeking from female companionship. It's from Barbarossa and Stardusk. They're like, the MGTOW OG's.

      Let me know what you think. Are they on to something, or just talking bullshit?

      [–]pantsoffire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Going to bed. Will watch tomorrow and comment.

      [–]Isaiah4verse1 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      So it's sex and physical contact you want? You can get that for less hassle and cost. It's a dopamine kick you're after.

      [–]projectself 10 points11 points  (4 children)

      well, if he is looking for trust and emotional connection, it's an oxytocin kick he is after.

      • edit to add, increasing testosterone will reduce the desire for oxytocin, it is the bodies natural agonist.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Lower your oxytocin, lower your prolactin, lower your estrogen, raise your testosterone. Thats how you do it.

      [–]Isaiah4verse1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Interesting. Explains why you lose testosterone in LTRs

      [–]Isaiah4verse1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      All of which can be satisfied on the street if you have a reputable dealer.

      Read this, bro Elonine, and snap out of the "love" delusion.

      https://redmalehummingbird.wordpress.com/2015/07/29/what-is-love/

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      Youve been lied to. Everything women have told you about themselves has been a lie. And its been going on for millions of years. You can now start working on your strategy to get what you want out of life. Its nothing personal, its just business.

      [–]Scizzler 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      Soooooo many reasons not to marry. Years ago(pre trp) I was "forced" into engagement, fortunately I got out before we even got close to marriage. Ever since then I've sworn it off and once I found trp it just cemented it as a good decision. If your game is right you can get a really good chick that can be "convinced" that marriage isn't gonna happen; You just gotta avoid settling for things that shouldn't be settled for.

      [–]1thiasus 34 points35 points  (4 children)

      That post needs a beta to real world translation because OP is completely clueless:

      My dad was an abusive alcoholic and my mom never did much other than clean up his messes (figuratively and literally). They both cheated on each other frequently and would use it as ammunition in arguments.

      "I had shitty parents and terrible role models"

      I got out of there and spent the next few years working, saving up for and attending college. I met my wife (we'll call her Abby) at university my senior year, her sophomore year. She was mousy and cute when I met her but when I got to know her she was sassy, intelligent, strong-willed and down-to-earth. We would hang out and play video games at my apartment and eventually I asked her out on a date and we've been together since.

      "I fell for the first girl that zeroed in on me"

      After I graduated I got a nice paying, although high stress, long hour job. My grandfather passed (one of the few people in my family I respected) and left me a nice little nest egg.

      "I immediately became beta bux"

      So while we had wanted to wait to get married the windfall made me bolder and I asked Abby to marry me when she graduated.

      "and immediately made it clear that I was, in fact, beta bux in the extreme"

      I had my friend (we'll call him Derek) who's a divorce lawyer to draft up a prenup.

      "I have a smarter friend who made me think I came up with the idea of a prenup"

      We might be that cutesy couple that everyone hates. We were the type that would be wrapped around each other at parties.

      "To reinforce that I was the beta bux, I had no social life independent of her"

      She wanted to have children almost immediately after our first year of marriage.

      "She wanted to lock me down straight away, especially with that bothersome prenup"

      I should say that Abby is an artist

      "Her life plan was always to find a beta bux to pay her way through life"

      Her boss is a typical frat bro who inherited his daddy's business. He is known around our town for being a fuckup and uses the business as a bank to fund his party's.

      "Enter Chad Thundercock"

      Anyway, I'd come visit for lunch and everyone would be sitting around doing nothing. One girl would be reading a magazine, another surfing the internet, another on the phone etc.

      "Who has insane preselection due to a personal harem at his beck and call"

      She seems depressed

      "After she started smelling the alpha pheromones, my beta self began disgusting her"

      It's someone with her boss' name saying "Be here by 9, no panties."

      "He dominates her mind just like he does her body and he has her primed for orgasm before they are even in the same place"

      So Derek gives me a number to a PI that will watch her

      "Derek is absolutely based and almost certainly redpill, especially given his job"

      Pictures of them at a motel, pictures of them at his house, pictures of them at dinner

      "There is nothing more bitter than the red pill"

      She can't even start she's crying

      "Begin the theater"

      She says I'm sorry over and over and over and that she was stupid and careless

      "Watch as she's about to change her version of events"

      She says I'm sorry over and over and over and that she was stupid and careless

      "Bam. Dumbest excuse ever, but then again I'm a huge fucking beta so she never thought of coming up with something better before now."

      Apparently he called her into his office one day and presented her with evidence that she had committed a crime, she's very vague about this part, and she even admits that she was freaking out too much to really verify it.

      "She has so little respect for me she thinks I'd swallow this turd"

      The reason she's telling me all this? The sick bastard wants to get her pregnant and have her pass it off as mine.

      "The hamster spins out of control and now her plan to cuck me turns into the evil boss' plan"

      I just feel like either this is a lie to cover her ass

      "I actually am the huge beta bitch she thinks I am and I even entertain the notion she's not lying"

      I don't know.

      "Guys, I want to reiterate that I am a gigantic, gigantic pussy with literally not a milligram of bone in my body"

      I'm still at a motel trying to figure out what I want to do

      "The size of how much I'm a pussy is starting to collapse metaphorical space under its gravitational force"

      I'm worried that my marriage, even if it isn't over

      "I am completely and utterly cucked"

      I'm worried I can't just get rid of those feelings.

      "I'm seriously convinced that the problem here are my feelings and not my beta behaviro and its inevitable consequences"

      I was always the guy that knew what I wanted and did what I could to get it.

      "Here's a nice fantasy I cling to"

      I just want a time machine so I can go back and keep her from getting this job.

      "I'm so fucked in the head that I'm seriously convinced anything would be different if she didn't get this specific chance to whore out"

      and push for her to talk to the police or at least a lawyer

      "I haven't mentally progressed past where I was in the slightest"

      I'm almost definitely going to be filing for divorce

      "I'm going to let her rope me back in his with a guiltpity play, watch me"

      there were a couple where she was smiling and one where they were toasting something

      "I have photo evidence of her attitude, but watch how I disregard them:"

      She wasn't bawling her eyes out but she did look sad.

      "I'm rationalizing that she must have looked sad, even if she was probably thinking about the pounding she was going out to get"

      I'm going to go home tomorrow and talk with her. I'm going to call Derek today and get some advice on how to approach her.

      "Literally the only person that can save me from cuckery is Derek. Especially since in the future, when she cucks me for good, the fact that I let it go this time is going to be used to try and void the prenup".

      tl;dr OP is a beta faggot all his life, marries the girl from college, lets his life be absorbed by his job and his woman. She starts working on a babby lockdown and pounces on the first alpha cock available, but fucks up her timing and OP finds out. OP is so much of a bitch that he believes her pathetic excuses and even after an entire sub tells him to ahead with the divorce he's still going to not do it.

      [–]ColmM36 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      He said he was getting a divorce though?

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      I think the play by play commentaries are the best thing on this sub. Spot on.

      [–]AJinxyCat 9 points10 points  (1 child)

      Holy shit you are one salty mofo.

      [–]Philhelm 26 points27 points  (7 children)

      The only way I could ever come to anything remotely close to forgiveness would be if the woman knelt before me, clasped my hand in hers, and kissed my ring, swearing her fealty and acknowledging me as her god-king. She would then be required to literally commit murder, by slaying the person for whom she betrayed me, and presenting me with his polished skull. Only then could she prove her complete and utter desire for forgiveness (not that it would be fully granted).

      [–]Isaiah4verse1 27 points28 points  (4 children)

      She will still suck strange and new cock.

      [–]m2c 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      well, where else we gettin polished skull replacements?

      [–]juliusstreicher 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Yeah, that'd be one problem. Also, if the slut had the character to kill, then I'd be afraid that she'd come after ME.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      She'd also have to eat the guy's penis while i watch

      [–]juliusstreicher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      This is pretty much my own thought.

      [–]Isaiah4verse1 16 points17 points  (1 child)

      Glad to read he's definitely going to get a divorce. I would have done so quietly and never let on. Most powerful thing you can do is spring it on her fully prepared for proceedings rather than give her a time advantage.

      [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      Shock and awe, baby! Shock and awe!

      [–]IronMeltsinmyHands 7 points8 points  (0 children)

      oh God... If I could laugh like an evil maniac just once in my life, it would be for this guy.

      I would want the world to hear me. This is great.

      [–]BooksofMagic 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      "Abby told me she quit and her boss didn't say anything about the police, just asked if she was sure."

      This line says it all for me. Her 'boss' has this much control and then gives up without even TRYING to keep her around? Without mentioning the evidence at all? Absolute Bullshit.

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Thanks OP.

      I love happy endings!

      [–]mykonos_rm 11 points12 points  (4 children)

      What's sad/disturbing is there nothing in the original post to indicate this guy would deserve the bb treatment but got it anyways. Awalt I guess. Don't get married

      [–]craftmaticrabbit 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      That's why it's important to always keep improving. There will always be somebody more alpha and more successful than you.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      And this chad wasn't even alpha or successful in his own right. By any measure he seems like less of man than OP and merely benefiting from his inheritance. OP had his own legacy as well, but it paled in comparison to the per-selection and prestige of her boss.

      OP would have had to need considerable dread game, and even in that case it wouldn't have been enough.

      Briffault's law doen't just run on money, but also feelz

      [–]GoldPisseR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      You can't compete with hypergamy.Even your best efforts won't be enough

      [–]dafuqey 6 points7 points  (1 child)

      Well... I highly doubt that prenup would hold valid. Most of time it requires two lawyers (one from each side). And having that is very rare for young couples. If you want to draft strong prenup always make sure other party gets lawyer as well.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      you have an excellent point. Hopefully she is to dumb, or guitly feeling to fight the point.The harder she fights, the worse she will look. Her reputation may be valuable enough get her not to drag it out in court

      [–]evilkenevil 10 points11 points  (9 children)

      Old guy here...pre-nups are important regardless of financial position and keep in mind that she must have an attorney review and sign off otherwise it will be dismissed. Also keep in mind that as that prenup ages - 5-7-9 years it will become less affective. You need to continue to consult with an attorney to protect yourself and stay informed.

      Seriously-don't get married unless you're having kids. There's no reason to. As a man there is nothing in it for you except for financial oblivion.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

      I saw on ET recently how since Ben Afleck was married to Jennifer Garner for 10 years that LIFETIME spousal support may be granted. WTF? It was just some infobabe talking about the case but we are talking California so anything is possible.

      In addition to a prenup how about a bank account in a brother or sister's name? Take a small percentage of each check directly deposited.

      [–]evilkenevil 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Yup- he fucked up. California alimony is lifetime at 10 years. The amount is different for less than a decade. Split one year earlier would have made a difference.

      I had a prenup in California and then had to get an updated post-nup when we moved out of that state. What a fucking mess that was.

      IF a judge in divorce court catches you hiding money they go ballistic. You can have your tax records subpoenaed to check income. Now days your bank statements have indicators if an amount has been transferred in or out. Also, you lose your rights to money in other people's accounts and completely subject to whatever shit/liability is going on in their life.

      [–]Isaiah4verse1 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      You can have kids without getting married.

      [–]evilkenevil 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      Technically true but brings up a host of issues. Source: me with my kids.

      [–]GoldPisseR 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      State the major ones.

      I'd say kids with divorced parents will have bigger problems than kids with unmarried parents.

      [–]Brave_Horatius 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Don't know about the states but some countries have fucked up laws. Where I am, Ireland, unmarried Fathers have no rights to their children even if their name is on the birth cert. I don't mean no access, I mean in the event of the mother dying, medical intervention etc. Literally no legal relationship full stop. Of course they can still be hit for child support.

      [–]GoldPisseR 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Get out of that shit country man jesus.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      So read the whole thing from the link. What does it tell you about bluepill programming that he's giving more than even a token thought that she might have been "blackmailed"?

      Blackmailed? Bull-fucking-shit.

      [–]pantsoffire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Female = Victim. Every fucking time.

      [–]Nieben 4 points5 points  (3 children)

      He made several mistakes.

      • He didn't look into the job she was going to be working at thoroughly enough.
      • He didn't take into account her getting bored and not staying preoccupied with hobbies. She sought the thrills of an affair and the honeymoon phase as a result.
      • The biggest and worst mistake he could have made, in my opinion... He changed his behavior when he found out. She was blatantly obvious with her behavior change, which he picked up on, easily. Unfortunately, he didn't think of putting on the best performance of his life until he dropped the papers. As a direct result, she noticed his behavior change and figured out what was coming before he dropped the divorce on her. She appealed to his emotions and tried shifting the blame in what she had hoped was the nick of time.

      In a non-revenge fantasy way, what I would like to do if my wife (god forbid I ever try such an endeavor - literally all of my family I know hasn't kept a marriage together "until death do us part") ever cheated on me and I found out, with hard evidence, I'd make that initial spark that we had presumably, initially shared, and make that fucker burn brighter than the sun for about a week. If she ever tried bringing up her infidelity, I'd tell her to shut up and enjoy the moment. Then, after the papers have been filed and she's out of the house for a work day or something, I'd hire a ton of men to haul every little thing out of my house and send it all straight to an incinerator to eliminate all physical, sentimental reminders of her. I'd change my phone numbers, put everything I own that she knows of on the market and go live in a hotel or at a non-mutual friend's house/parent's house until it was all said and done with. I'd try to ghost her as best I can so she can understand the loss of me, in the hopes she'll understand even a sliver of my emotions. A cheater will never know the value of a person, but what can you do? Sometimes changing partners is something for the better, even if it isn't in your best interest. That's reality. All you can do is hope, but you won't find closure, so the best thing to do is cut them out of your life entirely, immediately, and fix yourself up with the support of your friends and family.

      Oh, and never justify yourself to her, if you have hard evidence. She will never own up to it. It's futile and you'll only make it harder on yourself, to see her deny the harm she has wrought on you and what you had both shared. Never respond to her because she is doing so out of strict self-interest. Anything she could say is not to make it up to you (she could never do that anyway) but rather an attempt to keep you around because she wants your comfort and love for her... not to provide the lack of comfort and love shown to you.

      Guess I'm done ranting. :D

      [–]Stephen_Reeves 25 points26 points  (9 children)

      First red flag for a LTR. If you do not agree to this, you are set for a replacement.

      A woman wanting to have kids is a red flag? I would hope a woman would want to have kids since that's basically what they're built for.

      [–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one 36 points37 points  (7 children)

      That's not the red flag. Her unilaterally wanting to set the schedule for the pregnancy ("yay we're married let's have babies right now") is the red flag because at worst she's cucking the husband and at best she's still initiating a power play, particularly with all of the legal and financial costs pregnancy incrues on men.

      Iron Rule of Tomassi #5: never let a woman control the birth. Because this is a prime way for her to control you.

      [–]Stephen_Reeves 7 points8 points  (6 children)

      If you were to get married the only reason I can think of is to have kids. I'm not sure what "Control the birth" means, shes a woman so naturally she controls the birth. If she wants to have kids that's a good sign of a woman with a healthy mentality. Exception to that of course is a wall stage woman which should be avoided at all costs

      I think a big reason you see so much of this disgusting whorish activity from women is because there aren't any kids eating up their time. Women crave drama and stress, you can only provide so much of that.

      [–]1thiasus 16 points17 points  (4 children)

      shes a woman so naturally she controls the birth

      No, no she doesn't. It takes two to dance that tango and she doesn't get to decide when you are supposed to impregnate her. This isn't even a redpill concept, even the average bluepill man should understand that he's not supposed to be a sperm dispenser on demand.

      [–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      We're not really disagreeing here. "Controlling the birth" means giving the mother unilateral control over whether or not a child is born. Female only birth control and abortion on (woman's) demand go a long way towards this to begin with.

      In the context of an LTR or a new marriage, ideally childbirth should be a happily mutual decision. I agree with you; the only reason I would start a committed relationship with a woman is to raise a family. However, until then, I will never risk twenty years of my life by trusting a woman to be on birth control or being pressured to have children before I want to.

      [–]panzergling 8 points9 points  (0 children)

      That's right. All women are red flags.

      [–]tuxedoburrito 4 points5 points  (2 children)

      Genuine question.

      My ex really wanted to get married and was like baby crazy. I don't want kids, and in the end felt she was using me as a sperm donor and broke up with her.

      I felt it was a red flag.

      BUT

      I want to know WHY it isn't TRP to marry a girl who wants kids asap. Is it because they are using you?

      One of my friends had a kid recently. She never talks or posts pictures of the father but always does of the kid, despite them living together and being a happy couple. Her pictures she posts and default pics are all of the 2 year old baby. It makes me think she just doesn't give a shit about the relationship and wanted a sperm donor and beta provider.

      Thoughts?

      [–]Isaiah4verse1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      You answered your own questions.

      [–]pantsoffire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      If children are THE objective then the biological father is irrelavent. Beta bucks will pay for everything. There's nothing but her own morals stopping her from getting dicked 5 times a day til she's pregnant. "Even though I cheated on him- I know the baby is his." Quote from female co worker.

      [–]1NV0K3R 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      According to my law friend, she is fucked both ways.

      Fucked in the fact that she lied to the husband about a professional (her boss) blackmailing her etc. This is slander/libel if brought up in court and unable to be proven, which by the texts and dates seems to be my guess.

      And obviously fucked by prenup and PI. Hooooboy sloots gonna sloot.

      [–]BlackHeart89 5 points6 points  (3 children)

      I honestly can't think of any possible crime she could have committed that would have justified sucking her boss's dick. If the boss knew about it, it must have been something she was already convicted of, so no punishment would come from it. Anything else, he would have to prove. And how the fuck would he know anyway???

      I conclude that the story was fake, simply because OP never seemed to be concerned about the crime at all. "What possible crime would convince my wife to suck someone else's dick over???"

      [–]an0n4btc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      The crime is a convenient plot device for the wife to hamster an excuse for the husband about her sexual adventures with the boss.

      Regardless of the validity of the OPs tale, the crime is almost certainly fake.

      [–]aazav 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Don’t get married. And if you do, at least get a damn prenup.

      That won't matter much in California.

      [–]Riddick_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      "Be here by 9, no panties."

      Blackmailed as in...

      I'm not going to give you any money to fuck Chad Lumber Thundercock & Co?

      [–]1commentatorX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I knew, long before I even found TRP, that marriage is a sucker's game.

      [–]flyers156 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      99% of married women won't stay faithful forever. Whether it's physical or "just" emotional. Basically, sloots are gonna sloot.

      [–]thenarrrowpath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      If he didn't have her seek out a separate lawyer to review and jointly draft that pre-nup, then its almost a guarantee that it will get thrown out.

      [–]surfjihad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      He has a good pre nup but the family court bias is still something to be contended with.

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