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Don't believe the Red Pill? Read any popular romance novel. (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by PD132

Summary: We do not have to sit here and have a debate with Blue Pill people about whether we're right or not. Theories about what women are attracted to in men are falsifiable. All we have to do is look at real women's fantasies, and what the men look like in those fantasies.

If the Red Pill is right, then we would expect fictional men in women's romantic fantasies to look like the alpha males we claim women are attracted to.

If the Blue Pill is right, we would expect those fictional men to look like the nice, inoffensive, neutered Redditer who gets so angry at us for saying such mean things about women.

Guess who the heroes in romance novels all look like?

Body:

If someone told you that men aren't attracted to blowjobs, what would you tell them?

Maybe you'd tell them that they're crazy, or that they're stupid. But how would you prove men actually do like blowjobs? They could just sit there insisting it's not true. "My friends say they don't like it! They think it's gross!" They could develop a whole ideology around how offensive it was to ever say that a man would like something so disgusting.

But you can, in fact, prove them wrong. Why? Because basically every single porno ever has a blowjob in it. If men didn't like blowjobs, that wouldn't be the subject matter of so much porn.

That brings us to women, and what they want. It's not some mystery. It's not even hidden very hard. If you want to know what women really want, you don't have to trust this subreddit. You don't have to trust anyone. All you have to do is go look at what women buy, in the form of best-selling romance novels.

Every romance novel is essentially a woman's fantasy about what kind of man she wants to fall in love with. You can find every single type of man you could imagine somewhere in some romance novel. Alphas, betas, chubby blue pill neckbeards, whoever. Someone has written it.

But what actually sells? Let's look at a few of the best sellers, because they are all variations on the same theme.

Pride and Prejudice - Women love this one. It's about a rich guy named Mr. Darcy who starts out acting like a total asshole. He tells the heroine she is unattractive and refuses to dance with her at a ball. He acts like he's above everyone in her town. He convinces his friend to dump her sister because he thinks they have a terrible family. He's rich and lives in a giant mansion. His enemies are telling the heroine what an asshole he is all the time.

Mr. Darcy is a "reformed rake," a common trope in romance novels. He starts out being an asshole, but he gradually learns to be nice to the heroine, goes out of his way to make up for his douchebag behavior, and they live happily ever after in his giant mansion.

The Flame and the Flower - This was the first big modern romance novel. It sold millions of copies. It was written by a women, and women are the ones who bought it. What's the plot?

A cinderalla-type innocent woman is treated badly by her family and ends up on the street. An alpha male sea captain sends out some of his deckhands to find him a hooker. They find her wandering the streets, think she's a whore, and bring her to his ship.

Then he rapes her. Then he rapes her again. And again. And he laughs about it.

She gets pregnant, and they have a shotgun wedding. So he rapes her some more, and treats her like total shit because she ruined his wedding plans with another woman. But every time she submits to him and does what he says, he stops raping her for a few minutes and does something nice for her (like not raping her anymore that night). Even though he likes raping her, he's very protective of her, and very jealous of other men.

Again, this was written by a woman, and sold millions and millions of copies to other women. Please note that many women understandably didn't like the book, for obvious reasons, and that you shouldn't try to emulate this guy. But also please note that you can be this big of a dick, and millions of women will still find it sexually attractive.

Twilight - A girl and an alpha male vampire fall in love. He is insanely protective of her to the point of being a stalker. He sneaks into her bedroom to watch her sleep. He struggles to control himself, and it is constantly emphasized that at any moment he could snap and violently murder her. When they have sex, she is left with bruises all over her because he is so strong that he has to struggle not to kill her when he even touches her. He is tall, handsome, and has billions of dollars. He buys the heroine really expensive cars, because he's concerned about her safety and wants to protect her.

Then he leaves for awhile, and she starts hanging out with a werewolf. He is insanely protective of her. Werewolves cannot control their rage, and it is constantly emphasized that at any moment he might snap, lose control, and kill her. There are repeated scenes with a girlfriend of another werewolf whose face has been mauled by her boyfriend, emphasizing the danger. He is extremely tall, muscular, and is the rightful alpha male of his werewolf pack. He is jealous of the vampire, and they fight, but eventually she picks the vampire, and the werewolf hangs around and decides to be insanely protective of her daughter instead.

A beta male named Mike Newton falls in love with her. He has no negative qualities other than that he is an average looking guy who fell in love with an average looking girl. The beta male is constantly put down by the werewolf and the vampire. The heroine tricks the beta male into a double date with the werewolf, where he vomits at a horror movie because he is sick. The werewolf makes fun of him for being afraid of the movie, and then makes out with the heroine in the car right next to the beta male. Twilight fans really seem to hate this guy, for no real reason other than that he is a beta male. The author also seemed to really, really love having her characters treat him like crap.

Fifty Shades of Grey - A tall alpha male billionaire can play the piano like an expert, runs his own company in his mid-twenties, and flies helicopters everywhere. He likes to tie women up and order them around, making them his submissives. He meets the heroine, then starts sending her gifts and randomly bumping into her. He buys the heroine cars because he's concerned about her safety and wants to protect her. He is emotionally damaged, unavailable, and only able to have sex, not commitment. He constantly orders the heroine around, and wants to control exactly what she eats and what she does basically the time. He is incredibly jealous and lashes out at other men who try to date the heroine. But underneath he has a heart of gold and learns to be nice, warm, and caring.

Lessons Learned:

(1) Women love alpha males. They also love heroes who start out as complete assholes, and end up showing a caring, protective side.

(2) Women want it all. They want alpha fucks and beta bucks in one man. They want to tame the alpha, and make him still an alpha to everyone else, but a caring, protective beta for her.

(3) Women love dangerous men.

(4) Women love tall, rich men.

(5) Blue Pillers are misogynists who hate women and their sexual fantasies. Hi guys, I know you're reading. I know you don't like it. But it's true. The reason you hate the Red Pill so much is because you hate women. You can't stand that they are what they are, and you can't accept it. You have bigotry in your heart towards certain women's sexual preferences (women who like alpha males as described in their own romance novels). And you can't stand us for telling the truth about what most women want. Blue pillers are bigots, just as much as any angry guy who's just joined this sub and starts ranting about how evil women are. That's why Blue pillers project so much. They call us misogynists because that's what they themselves are, and they can't accept it.

After all, what would you call someone who hated homosexuality so much they denied it even existed? And yet you hate the idea of women loving alpha males so much that you spend all your time attacking the sexual preference of the vast majority of women.

(6) You should read a few romance novels, especially if you still have any doubts. You will see exactly what women want, from the mouths of women. You don't have to trust me, and you don't have to trust anyone else on here. The truth is right in front of you, you've just never bothered to look at it.


[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 183 points184 points  (16 children)

No romance novel begins with: "I say 'NO!' and he stopped."

[–]thejesusfish 189 points190 points  (8 children)

I trembled with anticipation. "No," I said, hoping to delay his inevitable entry. "Please, I can't."

"Of course," Blue murmured softly. "Your boundaries are your sanctuary. We shall wait until you are ready."

Despite my immutable ironclad womanly will, I came. His respect for me was simply too much to overcome.

saidnowomanever

[–]JourneymanTRP 13 points14 points  (3 children)

My ex told me the story where back when she was a virgin (think 15) she asked a guy not to put it inside her and she was so impressed with his kindness and respect for her boundaries that she 'let him' go out with her one more time, before realizing it wasn't a good fit.

[–]eddiae 5 points6 points  (0 children)

she graced him with her presence, what is he a fucking dog? lmaooo

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OTOH, about 40% of acquaintance rape "victims" go on to have a relationship with their "rapist."

[–]TRPApprentice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Apparently women need to be taught not to want to be raped

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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What is this?

[–]EdwardTivrusky 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It reminded me of a quote from The Catcher in the Rye.

"The thing is, most of the time when you're coming pretty close to doing it with a girl – a girl that isn't a prostitute or anything, I mean – she keeps telling you to stop. The trouble with me is, I stop. Most guys don't."

Bear in mind that authors speak their mind through the mouths of their characters. Protagonist in this book is portrayed as a typical beta that hates everything and everyone. Make no mistake betas do see all these contradictions in a same way that fat chicks see that they're fat. They just choose to ignore the problem with sweet lies on top because it's easier.

[–]DforDeadpool 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also no romance novel starts with "Can I kiss/touch you?". Referring to "consent for bros" bullcrap.

[–]Mik3ze 13 points14 points  (4 children)

There is a difference between fantasy and reality. In the real world if a woman if firmly saying "NO!" then you should stop.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Tip of the fedora to you, son. Are you worried about someone researching your post history or something?

There is a difference between fantasy and reality.

Yes, quite correct, however, the current "Accepted Narrative" about sexual politics is fantasy as well. Thus, while Ezra Klein1 wants you to feel a "spike of fear" when you're undressing a girl, the greater reality is that a lot of LMR is just for show - under a strict definition it's all for show, but one imagines a situation where a man might take genuine resistance for LMR.

Politically Incorrect Statement of the Day: "No" very often means "keep going", and, at the moment where she is letting you remove her panties, it means "Don't give up now!"

While the "Accepted Narrative" demands that a man summon at Uber for the woman at the very first moment he senses a "psychic vibration" of a "no" or even a hint of reluctance, that's not how men and women relate on a sexual level. It will leave a lot of guys with blue balls and a lot of women wondering why they didn't get fucked, especially after they let a guy buy them drinks and the take her back to his room for the express purpose of...getting fucked.

Guys who understand the difference between "no means no" and LMR are going to be much happier, and have much happier - and well-fucked - girlfriends/plates/LTRS.

VZ

1 Klein is to sex as Tim Wise is to race: a horrific fraud. Even the Atlantic described Klein's views, which are deeply, deeply blue bluepill and anti-male, as "Appalling".

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Women get aroused and orgasm from telling you no and you pressing right ahead and taking what you want from them anyway. Plus it gives them the plausible deniability they desire in case a beta finds out about the sex. She can tell him that she said no so everything is really that bad man's fault.

Two years ago had this great plate who had a fiance. (They were saving sex for marriage). She gave him a drunken blowjob once though, lol. Anyway to him I was his fiances good friend who stayed up all night drinking brandy and watching Netflix with her in my room. When he found out I was fucking her one day she told him that she said no but I didn't listen. Rape! So of course he forgave her and the fat short engineering student left me a threat on Facebook.

His fiance kept coming over to get drunk and tied up and fucked like the slut she was though. She just hid it better. And she loved to struggle. They got married last year. I wonder if that guy will ever know what boundless rape fantasies that raging slut he married really has? Or why she doesn't like to have sex with him?

Oh well they can get divorced in five or ten years.

[–]Mik3ze 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree with everything you say I just know that a lot of young guys read this subreddit who don't have the experience to differentiate between a real "no" and an lmr "no" so I don't want them to get the wrong impression.

[–]JourneymanTRP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would be that way in books too if it's a legal book.

[–]getbackdownhere 70 points71 points  (3 children)

You skipped the time period of romance novels before twilight came out, but I'll summarize it here:

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, cause dey rapin everybody round here.

Basically, right up until the 90's, when PCness was beginning to take over, romance novels were basically just literary rape porn.

Google "bodice ripper" and you'll see what I mean.

Honestly I think 50 Shades was so popular because it was the first good-n-rapey book to come out in 20 years.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (1 child)

"He pinned me down and ravished me with his strong muscular arms...he couldn't hold his desire back"

Shit like that. Women are turned on by big powerful alpha men who can't help themselves from fucking them.

[–]JihadDerp 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Women are aroused by these things, in this order: status, strength, being desired. Strength and status are almost interchangeable, but really should go together. Basically, if you're physically strong and socially strong, she wants you to let go of all inhibitions and fuck her stoopid.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood 216 points217 points  (50 children)

I'll just throw this one in.

 

Khal Drogo - Game of thrones

That dudes career was made of speaking a language no one knows and being dominant as fuck. His entire act was body language. His entire screen time was a total of like 30 minutes. And every chick falls in love with him and he's now landed a main DC movie staring as fucking Aquaman.

What did he do? Rape her, make her his property, abuse her, but then he turned protective and loving of her. Made her his world. He was a King of a 100,000 men army that gave no fucks and could have any chick but he chose her.

Essentially a love story staring Genghis Khan.

 

This shit really isn't rocket science.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Wasn't there a huge puke party on the internet about Sansa's wedding night to Ramsey Bolton and Ramsay proceeds to roughly consummate their marriage. Everyone was screaming that she was raped and some suggested boycotts of the show for misogyny?

Some commenters pointed out that good ole Khal did the exact same thing. The answers were some of the finest hamstring I have ever read. That poor hamster died from exhaustion. Basically, if it's a hulking hawt barbarian, it's being ravished. If it's a twisted weirdo, it's rape.

The actor even posted a pic of him and Sansa smiling and being silly on twitter to ward off the crazies.

[–]jmg83 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Wasn't there a huge puke party on the internet about Sansa's wedding night to Ramsey Bolton and Ramsay proceeds to roughly consummate their marriage. Everyone was screaming that she was raped and some suggested boycotts of the show for misogyny?

The thing is, by the standards of that world, and the real-world time period that it roughly coincides with, What Ramsay did wasn't rape. He did what was considered his right as a husband.

[–]CQC3 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Pretty much. Absolutely historically congruous.

The problem with the state of criticism in the past few decades is that we've had a poor tendency to apply modern critical lenses (postcolonial, marxist (this is of course a bit older), feminist (this is the worst for reasons besides TRP), etc).

Academia is an interesting place, but when you have kids writing theses on feminist or gender/queer readings of X novel written in 1850 or some shit, gtfo of here you dumb fucks. No shit women are treated differently in those novels.

Super interesting stuff though. Basically our postmodern world has weakened our sense of history in a lot of ways so people just one way or another have a shit propensity to understand that not only were things different hundreds of years ago, but surprise surprise, nobody gave a fuck about it or thought about it in the manner that you do right now. In fact, the modern mindset would have been heinously impractical.

[–]jmg83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I might not necessarily agree with how things were back in the day, but they were what they were. In regards to how women are treated in Game of Thrones, someone once tried to say that Cersei was treated unfairly. Within the context of the book, though, she has an easy life. Hell, she has an easy life compared to many people in 21st Century earth, and she essentially lives in medieval Europe. She's never done a day's work, or presumably, had to cook a meal for herself. So she was forced into an arranged marriage. So are plenty of people today.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Back when that happened a bunch of girls I knew actually started finding the actor attractive and looking at pictures of him and shit.

[–]GiantBonobo 38 points39 points  (3 children)

"That dude" didn't just have 30 minutes in Game of Thrones, he also played one of Stargate Atlantis' central characters and is overall a pretty good actor. GoT is just the series that put him back on track.

[–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Jason Momoa? He was also in Baywatch, amusingly. He was a little less swole then.

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    [–]night-addict 27 points28 points  (3 children)

    That show made Jason Momoa a fucking sex symbol. Jason Momoa. Dude looks like a Neanderthal! But women fall head over heels for him now, and rightfully so, because as Khal Drogo he was what women desperately wanted.

    [–]Donuteater780 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    So that's why people like Roman Reigns!

    [–]bluedrygrass 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Dude looks like a Neanderthal!

    Yes, and that's a plus in spite of what some of them may say

    [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (9 children)

    Also note how she friendzones Ser Jorah Mormont - a true White Knight lolz And not to mention her love for badboy Daario Naharis

    [–]jmg83 6 points7 points  (8 children)

    Jorah Mormont was a fool. He was in love with a woman young enough to be his daughter who wasn't interested in him, and in the first place, he got into trouble breaking the law because he couldn't control his wife's spending habits. He's a badass fighter, I won't take that from him, but he's a pussy where women are concerned.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

    Forget controlling his wife's spending habits, what really did him in was ONEitis. He was so smitten by his wife's beauty that she became his aim in life.

    In the books, he actually clumsily forces himself on Dany. Only kissing, nothing more. That leaves a bitter taste in her mouth (pun unintended)

    [–]jmg83 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    I appreciate a beautiful woman as much as the next straight guy, but that's just silly.

    Come to think of it, how many other guys ruined their own lives or did stupid things because they were obsessed with a woman in this series? Rhaegar was so obsessed with Lyanna that he caused a war, and paid for it with his life, not to mention those of his wife and child(ren). If Robb Stark hadn't fallen in love with Jeyne and married her, he and his mother would probably still be alive, as would most of his guys, and his uncle wouldn't be a prisoner. Even Stannis Baratheon, one of my favourite characters, was prepared to kill his own nephew on the Red Bitch's sayso. Granted, Stannis didn't love her, but he was still prepared to sacrifice a boy who is the closest thing to a son he has, just because of a woman.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    As Nietzsche said, raise men better or something to that effect.

    Glad to see someone else who is also a fan of Stannis. I disagree about your assertion regarding him though. He was prepared to take such extreme measures because he is a wronged man. He had seen his parents drown right in front of him at a very young age. During the rebellion, he chose his brother over his rightful King, as he himself laments in the books, held Storm's End even when his men and he were down to eating rats. And what was the reward he got for doing so? He was given Dragonstone while Storm's End, which should have been his by rights, was given to his younger brother. As a result, he was a very just but bitter man who saw the world as having wronged him and for that he was prepared to do anything.

    [–]jmg83 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Yeah, he had it tough. I believe he has a genuine gripe regarding Storm's End. I even think it's admirable that he sought to be king to avenge the brother who treated him badly. Killing a kid, though? That's when it starts to get a bit iffy for me.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Thanks to good ol' Davos, Edric's blood isn't on Stannis' hands. I doubt the post-Blackwater Bay Stannis would do such a thing now. D&D have completely perverted his character on the show sadly.

    [–]jmg83 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I think the actor wanted out, personally.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    What's done is done. Hopefully, GRRM won't kick the bucket until he finishes the series.

    [–]datAlpha 25 points26 points  (19 children)

    YES! Never could put into words why this shit with Khal Drogo bothered me so much. I think it's also the go-to halloween costume for the silent boring jacked dude at the party. They still clean up even without saying anything. Beauty and the Beast, a fucking DISNEY movie based on this premise (watered down a bit of course) and it's hailed as a "tail as old as time". In this film however there is also an interesting counterpoint in Gaston, the sort of "fake Alpha" (?). Why does she NOT go for him?

    [–]ApronString 28 points29 points  (0 children)

    Gaston had those village slatterns drooling and panting over him, and instead of enjoying the abundance around him, he got a world class case of oneitis for the only girl in the whole village who was not interested. He was so desperate to wife her that he lost any semblance of credibility with her.

    [–]1ToSeeAndToHear 12 points13 points  (2 children)

    It's because Gaston can't read, and Belle won't date down.

    Belle falls for the Beast when he shows her that he's not just a hairy monster that could eat her alive, he also has a huge library.

    [–]199639 13 points14 points  (1 child)

    Yup. Sorry to break it to you lads, but no matter how strong and popular and handsome you may be, most women won't consider you suitable unless you're also at least as educated as they are.

    [–]GiantBonobo 32 points33 points  (7 children)

    Because Gaston went full retard. You never go full retard.

    [–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (6 children)

    No one full retards like Gaston!

    [–]Algernoq 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    No one lifts like Gaston, no one's hard like Gaston... Nobody goes full retard like Gaston!

    [–]probpoopin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    What about Hodor? He's pretty big, definitely went full retard better and harder.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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    [–]LyricBaritone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    My what a tard, that Gaston!

    [–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (4 children)

    Because Beauty and the Beast isn't about women's romance, it's a kids movie in which the writers are attempting to instill what they deem to be "positive values" onto the audience. Game of Thrones is a pretty raw series that is definitely catering to adults.

    [–]JihadDerp 22 points23 points  (3 children)

    Are you kidding? It's about a beast who turns into a prince. There is no more perfect parallel.

    [–]3NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Also, the Disney version is, well, Disney-fied. The 'original' story dates back over 4,000 years, and it's a tale about social class, family, etc etc.

    [–]wiseprogressivethink 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If you ever want to read a short story with some real Red Pill truth to it, check out "The Entertainment of Genghis Khan" in the anthology "50 Great Tales of Terror" by John Canning.

    [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

    Just to be fair, Khal Drogo explicitly refused to sleep with her until she actually wanted him to.

    [–]FascistWorldNewsMods 26 points27 points  (2 children)

    Just to be fair, Khal Drogo explicitly refused to sleep with her until she actually wanted him to.

    Wot?

    In the series, he fucked her while she was crying on their wedding night. Later, we see him doing her, and she is clearly not enjoying it.

    In the books, he's still very aggressive from what I remember, but it's not rape because she eventually obliges because she knows she has no choice. She still doesn't enjoy it in the beginning.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    In the book, but not in the series. He was way rougher in the series, towards her.

    [–]joseph_fuzzco_Jr 83 points84 points  (4 children)

    I used to wonder why the men who women always fantasize about were never the same men who they claimed to like. Now I don't.

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      [–]PD132[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Okay. And is there a man out there who doesn't want the woman he's actually dating to do the same thing the porn stars do in the bedroom?

      You just don't want to date a woman who's addicted to coke and sleeps with lots of other men. It doesn't mean you aren't turned on by the things you watch in a porn video.

      [–]Calamash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      This thread summed up pretty much.

      [–]NuclearTruthBomb 78 points79 points  (20 children)

      I wish I could upvote this more. Seeing what women read, not what they say, is what ultimately made me realize the pill is NOT misogynistic bullshit. If you're still on the fence, you really need to go to the Erotica or Erotic Romance section of Goodreads or Amazon and read the descriptions.

      There is only one type of man in all of these hundreds of stories. He's arrogant, jacked, knows what he wants and takes it for himself. If he's not a bad boy biker, he's a high-status billionaire. Even romance readerss describe these characters as Alphas (seriously!). The female character is completely average, and frequently has an orbiter or two pinning for her companionship. But the self-described asshole sweeps her off her feet and gives her the hardest fucking of her life.

      Notice anything absent? Betas. Not even masculine, but effective and kind-hearted men. Just full-blown, testosterone-pumping Alphas. If he doesn't have the social status of a celebrity, then he's aggressive enough to take down an entire gang or Comic Con meeting.

      Men are actually the real romantic sex. I have yet to see a female written romance story that isn't about pinning for a Norse-like protector or a meal ticket for a perfect life. There is no such thing as "type" for women, only men with power and resources. She doesn't love you - AWALT. Either go your own way or become the most stereotypically masculine, successful man as possible.

      [–]Turkerthelurker 12 points13 points  (1 child)

      The OC:

      • Alpha bad boy moves into town. Girl with douchebag boyfriend falls in love with new bad boy.

      • The main beta: in love with a chick. Completely ignored and made fun of, until he dates a few other girls. Finally gets chick he likes, she's obsessed with him afterwards. He dates a few more girls, they get back together in the end. (Aw, she learned to like him after a lot of other girls showed interest!)

      I was going to write more examples, but I think this thought expirement is better: Try to think of a show/movie/novel, targeted at women, where the beta wins the woman (without her falling for/obsessing over/fucking an alpha first). I can think of plenty targeted towards men, but try to name one aimed at women. Betcha can't.

      [–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (12 children)

      Women aren't capable of love. She doesn't love you. Be the alpha that fucks her, plates her, or discards her afterwards. Shell hate that she loves it.

      [–]Egoful 18 points19 points  (10 children)

      Women do love. But like Rollo says, it's opportunistic love.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

      I disagree. TRP says women love conditionally, I push it even further and say they can't truly love besides their offspring.

      [–][deleted]  (4 children)

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        [–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

        What a fucking age were heading into. Where women don't love their children, and abortion is universal. While there are exceptions, most American women are not fit to be mothers. The west is fucked.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        US alone has seen around 60 million abortions in the last four decades. Yeah, the West's fucked

        [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        How long you think until The US collapses?

        I give it a good 40-50 years. I really dont see any fixing it currently. Maybe we could rebuild after the country crumbles, but by then we'll either be wartorn or invaded by islam. Enjoy the decline, fellas.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

        Notice anything absent? Betas.

        Just look at the cover photos on all these romance novels.

        [–]mitzibishi 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        I skimmed the descriptions, all the males are rich, tycoons, successful etc

        [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        If he's not a bad boy biker, he's a high-status billionaire.

        It has nothing to do with who you are. Some girls like bikers, some like guys with tats, artsy types, intellectuals, businessmen, military guys, juiced up bros, etc... That's just preference. It's just whatever type of guy her social circle regards as alpha. At the end of the day she's looking for certain types of traits in a guy who fits her preference, but while the preference changes from girl to girl, those traits don't. That's why you can be your own brand of alpha.

        I know cute nerdy girls at med school who would run the other way if a tatted up guy on gear came up to them, even if he cleans up with typical sluts. Yeah that does not mean they prefer betas. It just means that guy doesn't look like the stereotypical dream guy in her social circle, so he seems more threatening than attractive. She wants a guy with the same traits but in a package that fits her world's view of alpha. It's why I do so well with the nerdy girls. The average IQ of girls I've fucked is probably in the 95th percentile, because that's just where I do best. That's my brand of alpha, but make no mistake, I'm an attractive guy who lifts and tracks his macros to a T. I'm socially dominant and quick to discard any girl I'm with if something better comes along (and not just hotter women, my friends and career are prioritized over women as well). I'm not the tatted up roid guy, but I've got plenty of friends like him.

        Too many bluepill guys see "nice" girls going for a guy like me and think betas don't finish last. They just never understood that the difference between "alpha" and "beta" has nothing to do with your "type" and everything to do with what you objectively have (status, looks, money) and more importantly, how you carry yourself.

        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        After reading this I thought to myself "Fuck it, I'm going my own way"

        [–]TheDonald2k16 48 points49 points  (16 children)

        Not just romance novels, but television shows made for women as well.

        Gilmore Girls is a great example.

        Both main characters pick alphas over betas.

        Lorelai is a post wall single mother who has men fighting over her(of course). Toward the end of the series, you have her ex-boyfriend Christopher(Rory's father) who is your typical "I am there for you" caring beta, and Luke, the "I give zero fucks about everything" blue collar alpha. Lorelai picks Luke, even though Christopher proposes to her and Lorelai's answer is "I want to love you, you are the one I want to choose, but I can't", translation = You don't give me tingles even though you are a nice guy who would be a great provider.

        Rory has a friend that is orbiting her named Marty, your typical weak beta. They are watching a movie in her dorm when alpha Logan shows up and invites them out to a bar. They go to the bar where Logan exerts his alpha dominance over Marty. They get back to Rory's dorm and Marty asks out Rory. Rory says "I don't like you, I like Logan, but I want to be friends!" despite Marty being the caring, nice, sweet beta and Logan being your stereotypical douche bag frat boy alpha type. Rory ends up dating Logan for the rest of the series. Earlier in the series, Rory cheated on Dean, an alpha who ended up turning beta because of his oneitis, for Jess, a total give-no-fucks alpha who was a criminal.

        You want to learn Red Pill Truths, watch Gilmore Girls.

        [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 57 points58 points  (2 children)

        You want to learn Red Pill Truths, watch Gilmore Girls.

        I would hope that there would be another way. /grin

        [–]Horus_Krishna_2 30 points31 points  (1 child)

        glad this guy did the research for us.

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          [–]TheDonald2k16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I think both Chris and Luke were betas, but Luke was more alpha compared to Chris. Luke had a "I don't give a fuck" attitude, while Chris was a lot more soft.

          Even though Luke pinned after Lorelai the whole series, he wasn't afraid to speak his mind around her. Many times he was a dick to Lorelai because he didn't want to put up with her shit. Chris never did that.

          In terms of the men Lorelai dated, Max was a beta, Digger was an alpha, Luke and Chris were betas.

          [–]graffix13 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          Dawson's Creek is another example.

          Dawson, the poster boy blue piller, finally expresses his love for Joey (Katie Holmes) only to have her hook up with Dawson's Alpha friend Pacey.

          (Although calling Pacey Alpha is kind of a stretch as he was a pussy too)

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Dude banged his teacher. Alpha as fuck.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Pacey was a confident, sarcastic dude in the first few seasons. Funny, emotionally unattached. My favorite scene was when he took his girlfriend's mom (who was dementia) to the store. When she started having an episode and drawing people's attention, Pacey intentionally started acting crazy to take the heat off her.

          I don't think you'd find that sort of altruism with a beta like Dawson. He's too preoccupied with his image to take control of a situation and protect another person. It's always mopey bullshit with him.

          [–]carrotplanter 4 points5 points  (4 children)

          My question is how you all know all this damn

          [–]TheDonald2k16 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          I am a professional TV critic, I had to watch all 7 Gilmore Girls seasons ahead of the Gilmore Girls Netflix reboot.

          [–]LyricBaritone -1 points0 points  (2 children)

          clearly because they watched the show. I don't watch it myself but there's no need to be a dick about it.

          [–]carrotplanter 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          But I'm not? I'm sure I wasn't the only one thinking it, and I didn't mean it in a demeaning way

          [–]LyricBaritone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Well then at best, you're asking an extremely stupid, obvious question. Of course they know those things because they've watched the show.

          [–]bluedrygrass 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          You want to learn Red Pill Truths, watch Gilmore Girls.

          Or don't. Unless you want a headache by extreme logorroicness and trivial discussions.

          But anyway, that example is particularly poignant because the girl looks like the stereotypical blue imaginary angel: delicate, feminine, petite, shy, extremely intelligent and educated.

          And yet, she acts like she acts.

          [–]TheDonald2k16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Rory presents herself as the good sweet innocent girl the whole series but turns into a whore after her freshman year of college, fucking a married man, fucking Logan in her grandparent's pool house, getting arrested for stealing a boat.

          [–]sir_Preacher 21 points22 points  (2 children)

          And most of the authors of these romance novels are women...

          go figure...

          [–]Tman5691 26 points27 points  (0 children)

          There's a few guys who self-publish the stuff. I recall one male author saying he thought his novels were complete trash, but his wife loved them, they were easy to write and he was making bank. His other comment was that he would never publish under his actual name in case he ever wanted to write a serious novel.

          [–]kazaul 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The issue is they're too easy to write. All I have to do is bang out a billion and one versions of the same 6-7 most perverted fantasies I can think of. Could have two done a month if I wanted to.

          But that's not what I want to invest my time or effort in. It doesn't further my interests in any way.

          [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

          When I was in high school I used to stay at my Grandma's house after school until my mom got off work to pick me up since there was no bus routes to my home (before I turned 16 and could drive myself).

          Sometimes she wouldn't be there and there would be these old ass fantasy romance novels from the late 80's and 90's on an old dusty bookshelf. One time I was hella bored and picked one up and flipped to somewhere in the middle and read the first paragraph of a random page. Holy shit was it graphic. I had been watching porn and beating my 15 year old dick for a little bit by this point, but that shit was a whole new level. Basically every "love" scene in the book was her getting her pussy stretched out by some evil rough man who didn't;t give a fuck. There was at least two rape scenes I found in the 10-15 mins I flipped through it.

          [–]BlackJ1 17 points18 points  (0 children)

          You will find RP in almost any top selling book that women buy. It's not recent, it's been around forever and some authors are catching on and taking advantage.

          Just look at The Glass Menagerie. Published back in 1945:

          1. Woman is crippled and boring with zero personality.
          2. High value man from her HS comes over for dinner.
          3. Woman is shy and strives away from the group.
          4. Man randomly decides to come and talk with the woman.
          5. typical romantic actions

          It's boring low SMV woman somehow grabs the attention of a high SMV man by doing nothing. Like it's the same script over and over again.

          [–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (1 child)

          1.4 billion dollar industry

          You can even see the confirmation in the comments. Big Leroy knows.

          [–]JihadDerp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This needs to be shot to the top.

          [–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

          Romance novels are reflective of what really want but fail to admit they want it and act like they really will love the beta instead of the alpha. These romance novels OP talked about show that women want the alpha and deep down they hate the betas.

          [–]ddiogenesofsinope 11 points12 points  (3 children)

          Pride and Prejudice is the biggest fuckery for me.

          I actually love the 2005 adaptation. It's great. igaf. Fuck you cunt.

          I do give Elizabeth ratings as she's is the only one to see through Darcys bullshit, call him out and see that he's a man with a lot of love but is an asshole out of fear (sound familiar).

          But part of Elizabeth's infatuation with him comes with his immense wealth and this isn't really hinted at in the story. He's essentially a contemporary billionaire.

          Sure love conquers all in a society obsessed with wealth and all that jazz, but when she goes to his house when she thinks he's away and literally falls in love with a statue of him in his elaborate collection, money obviously does play some sort of role in that.

          She is in awe at the power of a great man. And maybe just maybe, she likes the idea of having all that to herself.

          [–]arealbigboss 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          Pride and Prejudice is all about why people hook up. The writer, Jane Austen, never got married and she knew how shit really worked. Elizabeth pretty much sought out the best qualities in Darcy and saw only those in order to marry a rich man. She did it because she deep down wanted his wealth more than anything. Those Victorian bitches knew what was up.

          [–]ddiogenesofsinope 3 points4 points  (1 child)

          They really did.

          I feel people were way more honest about human nature back then

          [–]jmg83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          On the other hand, they were way too concerned about a person's "breeding". It's been years since I picked up that book, but I recall something about a rich person who was looked down upon in "Society" because they were self-made rather than inheriting from their daddy. Plus the conversations were ridiculously difficult to follow.

          [–]Rougepellet 11 points12 points  (0 children)

          We should all write romace novels and make bank. We have the formula right here. It'd be funnywhen people eventually find out some best selling romance novels were written by redpill misogynistic shitlords.

          [–]pookwanka 10 points11 points  (1 child)

          Beauty an the Beast. You can literally be another species and still desirable if you're rich, protective, dangerous.

          [–]jmg83 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          That's what bugged me about that. The Beast couldn't just be a regular dude, he had to be a fucking prince.

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          [–]bytesunfish 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          You forgot that the only way to be safe is if you're gifted a really expensive car.

          I've heard that whole safety excuse from broke women refusing to sell their new-ish Mercedes/Lexus/BMW/etc. to get a used Honda to save money. They usually say something like, "I just wouldn't feel safe putting my kids in something like that."

          [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          My friend's Ex use to say "thanks for the Lexus payment" every time his child support payment was deposited into her account.

          [–]facetothedawn 7 points8 points  (0 children)

          I've had a lot of bad experiences with women and really what it comes down to is patience. Yes I know it's terrible and today seems like forever but there is an ebb and flow to everything. Work really hard to build a better YOU then the better women will follow.

          When I became single after a while I set up rules, rules I thought would be for an impossible to find woman, but I stuck to my guns and you know what? I've had some amazing relationships. Set up your own rules but here are a couple of mine.

          1. The bag rule: Women with fancy bags are usually trouble. It's a fair stereotype to say that many women love money because society has made them materialistic. Find a woman with a regular, utilitarian bag and that's a good head start to finding a good woman.

            1. Fairly Conservative dress/natural make-up: I'm a fan of tits and short shorts just as much as the rest of us but tons of face paint in odd colors plus showing lots of skin, in my experience is a bad sign for things to come. If she could meet your grandma after a summer night out I've found that's a good sign.
          2. Doesn't drink too much or do a lot of drugs: if that's your thing, go for it but in my experience, especially since most women are "emotionally dynamic" to begin with, anything that adds to that ebb and flow is not going to help. A level headed woman is worth a thousands of times her weight in gold.

          [–]RealityBitesU 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          One of the most insightful and well stated posts I have ever seen on this subreddit.

          Nicely done. I will be quoting/using it in my own life. I will not give you any credit.

          [–]mitzibishi 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          The men are always exceptional, the women plain & boring. Do nothing are nothing without the man.

          [–]DforDeadpool 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          I have woman friends. I hear RP truths from their mouths every time. They just correct what's been said here. Of course I don't talk about TRP like a retard

          [–]my_sfw_alias 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          Don't forget the long and flowing locks of Fabio.

          [–]Helmut_Newton 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          The same goes for romance movies. I have an older female relative who watches the Hallmark Channel all the time. All the movies on there have the same basic plot: plucky, overeducated late-20's/early 30's heroine moves to the city/country after some dramatic event and meets local alpha hunk. Sparks fly, and after much unnecessary drama and attempts at humor, she eventually tames the hunk just enough so they can settle down and live happily ever after.

          [–]Endorsed ContributorTheeRyanGrey 24 points25 points  (0 children)

          Romance Novels? My dude let's get real and deep here, let's go to the ultimate romance novel---The Bible:

          God is ALWAYS a Man to women. Always. Religious girls love him because he provides boundaries and punishment and support and value and someone to blame. He's literally a father.

          It's why, even though I'm vehemently anti-thiest, I only date women who are somewhat religious: they already know how to act around men.

          [–]wiseprogressivethink 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Hell, don't even bother to read any romance novel, just look at the fucking cover art. It's always some tall muscular guy with an IDGAF look on his face, and there's usually a hint of danger or violence implied.

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          [–]DailyManliness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Less of wherever this is from, and more Black Sails from Starz, that show is about as alpha as it comes

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I remember when i was about 10,11,12. My source of porn was from my mom's romantic novels i'd take from her room.

          [–]TRPApprentice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Yeah in these fucking books the bitch usually isn't interested in the guy until he's full on alpha, but then they expect the bad boy to settle down. Of course the author grant the hamsters their little wish fulfillment and by the end of the book the free spirited psycho is the perfect little domesticated cuck

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

          BP men would rather pedal their illusions than accept reality. It's much easier to stay in your shell, fantasize, and curse the outside world, than it is to actually take the risk, step outside your shell and compete in the real world.

          At the end of the day, BP men just don't want to change. They don't want to compete. They don't want to be honest with themselves and say they have been sold a lie, by women who would rather have them "be themselves" and corporations that want to milk their fantasies.

          Women will do, what women do, and no amount of policy, religion, morals, or ideological non-sense will stop their innate biological drives.

          "Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding... It is the bitter potion by which the physician within you heals your sick self. Therefore, trust the physician and drink his remedy in silence and tranquility..." - Kahlil Gibran

          [–]muddynips 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          When I was young I used to pick up some of these books after my mother finished them. By the time I got to the third book I realized they were all effectively the same.

          It's literally just AF/BB. Girl fucks a slave-trading pirate, marries a northern army captain. Sometimes the story arch is converting AF into BB, sometimes the AF and BB compete for her affections.

          [–]allnamesfckintaken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          that flames and flowers story is what makes women wet. it's not really ltr material. it all goes back to evolution. a guy who is an asshole for a long time is one who gets away with it. that means he gets what he wants and does what he wants. wouldn't you want your offspring to have that ability too? all the women who were not turned on by those qualities had offsprings who couldn't even compete and couldn't pass on his genes at all. a man's evolutionary desire is to spread his genes as much as possible and a woman's evolutionary desire is to get the genes of a man who is capable of spreading his genes. from that standpoint, nothing men or women do is surprising at all.

          [–]assknucksjr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Fun Fact: 50 Shades originally started out as a fanfiction of Twilight called Master of the Universe

          [–]vlodia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Once Upon In Time West played flawlessly by Charles Bronson -- Harmonica.

          He treats the Blonde Bonny Lass like shit, who happens to be the heroine of the film. The woman ends up wanting to marry the male protagonist in the end, but she couldn't because Harmonica is too busy seeking his own adventure.

          [–]1PantsonFire1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I think it's funny how women take shit way to the extreme. Their fantasies are up in the stratosphere. Everything is taken to the next level- be it sex or power.

          Guys don't have such powerful fantasies, their much more grounded in reality. I think this is a reflection of how both sexes view and go through life.

          The danger comes when women become so entitled they want to pursue all these fantasies. It's simply not a viable way to go in real life. It's like a guy that dreams about being superman, it's the male ideal taken to the absolute extreme.

          Something tells me housewife's of the early 50's didn't have such intense fantasies. To make a comparison: Goody ol' Sally would dream about having to cocks at once in secret. Whilst Teenage Tiffany already looks at 5+ dicks gangbang porn.

          Women are like water, create a big enough storm and you'll get 500 meter tall Armageddon waves that obliterates everything. There's no limit to their emotion because it's not grounded in reality.

          Society's become so infatuated with the pursue of powerful emotions (drugs, sex, power, wealth, excitement) that the foundations of reality created by previous generations of men crumbles- irreversibly. It's sad really.

          [–]dusky98 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          So true, I dare you all to go to this website and read the descriptions of the various romance novels. Pretty much every single one describes some ruthless and untameable CEO or future king who is wooed by some average plain jane, like his secretary or maid.

          http://www.millsandboon.com.au/products/tag/sexy

          [–]user_none 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Back a year ago I was emailing back and forth with a younger woman on OkCupid. She's a writer and has published a bunch of short stories, plus some books. While she wasn't into writing about erotic lit, she went to various conventions, etc...and she confirmed that women are into some weird shit. We all know the vampire thing from Twilight, but there's also werewolves, dinosaurs and other stuff she mentioned. I've never read any of that (trash) and don't intend to, but it could give some insight into what depravity women are seeking.

          Oh, I asked her flat out if the weird stuff was about women having sex with vampires, werewolves, dinosaurs, etc...and she confirmed it was. WTF?!

          [–]bluedrygrass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It all comes down to feelz, ultimately. Weridest stuff= strongest feelz, as long as you aren't too weirded out. Women are more secretly inclined than men to push something to eleven.

          [–]DailyManliness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I've actually been writing an article about this but mine mentioned quite a few more examples including the all time favorite romance novel/movie, The Notebook. I've actually read through a chunk of these 100+ comments and haven't seen it mentioned from what I can tell. Spoiler alert: she has a choice between the rugged alpha male or rich pretty boy that treats her with the doggoneit southern respect she deserves. Guess who she picks? Plus, at the beginning of the movie, the main character is extremely young and while "somewhat beta" he doesn't follow social conventions and even rips on her family and rigid life

          [–]1KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          There's a great book out there - an anthology of essays - by various authors of romance novels. They describe how they develop their characters, what attributes, characteristics, etc., that they give them.

          Romance novels comprise over one half of all books sold in the US; move romance novels are sold than all other books COMBINED.

          The name of the aforementioned anthology is called Dangerous Men, Adventurous Women.

          [–]ElGuapoMiguel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You are so right. I just posted an ad on CL using the themes above. Up vote.

          Lol, wonder what kind of responses I will get? I bet staunch, angry, and unhappy feminists types.

          [–]tolerantman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          What they all have in common:

          1.Good looks 2.Power: physical strength or social influence 3.Obsession with the female protagonist to the point of losing control

          [–]the99percent1 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

          Quality shitpost associating novels with real life.. trp cannot be found in mainstream novels. Neither are the male characters any representation on trp topics.

          fiction is just that, made up stories...

          [–]Horus_Krishna_2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Yep this is what women want and I love them for it!

          [–]AragornRF -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          Blue Pillers call us misogynists because that's what they themselves are, and they can't accept it.

          There it is..

          [–]devilabit -5 points-4 points  (3 children)

          Yer obsessed with women's novels in here. How about this for a left field thought. Stroll down town and look at real people shopping. Look at girlfriend and boyfriends together, do you see any of those character types.

          Women want rape, slavery, etc in fantasy , but that's only fantasy, that's why it's called fantasy. But in reality they want either a normal guy with a steady job or some caring artist type., ultimately someone they can connect with on a social level.

          I'm four long term (2-3 years) , live-in relationships into the mix. Be funny and kind , and ask a lot of questions , and you'll be fine. Obviously don't be a wimp, but that's pretty obvious without reading a book on the subject.

          [–]TheRedChemist 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Time to close the sub, guys. devilabit just shut down the whole of TRP theory.

          [–]sacbite 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          Devilabit has a great point, though. Try to look at what real women do -- not what their fantasies are. That means actually getting to know real women. When you do, you'll see they DO have those fantasies we've been discussing, but they also have an entire other side to them. If you want to have lots of great sex and a happy fun time with the ladies, you'll need to INTEGRATE both. That shit isn't easy. I'm not saying integration is -- women ARE crazy. But you have to look at REAL WOMEN to learn real game. Not just fantasy and entertainment pages. Because, look at how women act in men's fantasies (porn). Is that REALLY how women are? You know it's not. TL;DNR? Don't base your perception of women on FICTIONAL characters.