MetaA Man's Dating Pool is Global (self.TheRedPill)

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Take a look at photos from your grandpa’s days and you’ll see that the typical woman was thin, feminine, and family oriented. Fast forward to today and the typical woman is fat, riding the carousal, and trying hard to compete professionally with men. In fact, the average woman today weighs the same as the average man weighed in 1960. Those wife material girls that were so plentiful back then are still around, but much rarer.

It may be that a man has to be in the top 20% to attract women, but in my experience it takes much more than that to attract a quality girl simply because feminism had made it quality girls so much rarer. In New York City I estimate that thin, feminine women that look forward to motherhood to be at most 5% of the single women. It would seem that the vast majority of men are out of luck, but that doesn’t have to be the case.

I’ve lived and worked abroad for over a decade, and one of the things that always strikes me is how much better foreign girls are compared to American women. Be it Euro or Asian, they are on average much more feminine and family oriented than their American counterparts. And they are plentiful.

In some Eastern European countries being an American and earning the average American salary would automatically put you in the top 15% of their dating pools. You would be offering a woman and adventure and an opportunity to significantly improve their lives. Rather than thinking about that chubby tattoed 5, you could have your pick of wholesome 7s who have always dreamed of living in America.

Of course, none of this absolves us of our obligation to be the best version of ourselves. But we also don’t have to play games that are rigged against us.

If you’re a top 1% guy, you don’t have to worry about any of this. But for everyone else: beautiful, feminine women are abundant. You don’t have to settle for that professional girl demanding to keep her name. Let the shrews grow old with their cats. There is an entire world beyond the U.S. you should be aware of.

[–]topchef808 225 points226 points  (3 children)

Today's typical woman is still family oriented, in that she usually has at least 2 kids for you to raise.

[–]Spider-Dude1 67 points68 points  (1 child)

Three if you count her brother, who needs a place to stay at until he hears back from his job interviews.

[–]reluctantly_red 6 points7 points  (0 children)

if you count her brother,

Actually I had a pretty good experience with my first wife's brothers who lived with us while they were in high school and college. When the marriage went to shit they were actually in my corner (that really pissed off their sister). I'm still friends with them.

[–]TheFallingCosmos 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Fuck no, I'd never take care of another man's kid

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 137 points138 points  (18 children)

So let me bust everyone's bubble about the rumor of "Slavic Unicorns" that live over yonder hill, near Big Rock Candy Mountain.

If you venture forth into Central or Eastern Europe there will be higher grade totty on offer. If you can close, you'll do fine. But the days of Bond Girl quality babes following some Gomer back to the trailer park to live happily ever after are way long gone. Well, actually, they didn't exist, but I digress.

Back on E. Euro Babes. Are they better than their N. Amer counterparts? By a country fucking MILE. But that's part of the problem. Slavic 6s cross the pond and discover that, in N. America, they are 8s. Suddenly, Gomer doesn't look like he's a great catch anymore, and there is No Hypergamy Like Slavic Hypergamy. It's brutal. And putting a Slavic woman, who has had to survive in a far shittier environment, down in the Land of Milk and Honey is like putting a shark into a tank with a bunch of tuna. It's over, quickly.

If you are going to handle a Slavic girl - they know foreigners are weak - you have to have major game, and if you are going to bring one back to the West - not really advisable - you need to have Titanium Steel Frame. She'll be way more feminine and can cook for you, but the moment she turns on you, you, western lad, are TOAST. I've seen it happen. Bear in mind that when I go back to visit the remaining fam in the Rodina I find myself meeting every eligible single girl in the Oblast. "Why are there so many plates set for dinner?" - "Oh, we're having a few guests...." Marrying off the younger folks is the Babushka National Sport. So is interfering with their marriages and splitting them up.

When to chase foreign tail: When you are in a foreign country for another reason. You are working there, or traveling, or vacationing or taking a gap year. And if you don't speak the language, at least semi-fluently, and understand the culture, you are going to be left out of a lot of conversations, and you are preparing to fail.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 65 points66 points  (6 children)

This is very true of basically any country where the national sport is "pimp your daughters out to rich men". These colombian girls chew up these fat balding pink round men and spit them out, these thai girls are finessing them out of cash for her "sick family back who needs medicine" and I find it hilarious. Like of course, this bitch has been training for this her whole life, she's Mayweather in the ring, and the only thing keeping her ego in check and keeping her level and in her "place" is the fact that all the other women around her in Bratislava are fucking young and hot too.

Then you move her into an American city and she realizes you're a middle of the pack dude, and she's an 8 or 9 and here a woman at 26 is still young enough that she can remarry without being damaged goods. What did you think was going to happen?

You wanna fuck foreign hotties, either learn the language and invest some time into understanding how to game and fuck them, or pay hookers. No shame in it, if you can't be carried by looks / game, drop probably less money than a decent dinner in the US with drinks, and pay the chump price. Much better decision than trying to date them

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This should be put in the bible.

[–]Freegeeks 31 points32 points  (4 children)

This should be required reading for everyone thinking that EE or CE women are different. I did a shitload of business travel the last 3 years in EE and CE, primarily Russia, Poland, Ukraine and Belarus. There is indeed an abundance of very good looking women. In these last 3 years I dated probably 20 women and was in a longer relationship with 2 (both Belarusian). I dated all these women locally in Minsk, Warsaw, Moscow, kiev, Lviv. The whole traditional wife thing is only true if you move your ass over there and even then it’s going to be difficult. Believe me, EE and CE women are hypergamous on steroids, especially the very good looking ones who all have a public Instagram account with an army of worshipping blue simps. Lots of them get gifts, money from their blue pilled simps and don’t have to do anything in return, it’s the perfect sugar daddy relationship for them. If you don’t have game in your own country with good looking western women then these women will eat you alive. Just go to a place like Odessa where you see the middle aged fat bald American guys getting fleeced by the hot young chick and their translator in front of your eyes. None of these girls is dreaming of living in a trailer in some podunk little village just because you have the right passport. Blue pilled guys should really stop spreading this false myth.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 12 points13 points  (0 children)

There is indeed an abundance of very good looking women.

Agree. The Rodina is indeed a Happy Hunting Ground.

I dated all these women locally in Minsk, Warsaw, Moscow, kiev, Lviv. The whole traditional wife thing is only true if you move your ass over there and even then it’s going to be difficult.


Just go to a place like Odessa

Odessa is something of a pit. I recall when I basically became the Pater Familias for the Eastern Branch of the family that I was not allowed to go to certain places unescorted by one of my cousins because I was "too valuable of a commodity" to allow to be kidnapped/seduced into marriage by a passing Dev of the requisite hawtness, etc. - this was back before Insta-whore even existed - and Odesa was frowned upon. Lots of "Odesa girls are all prostitutes" etc.

where you see the middle aged fat bald American guys getting fleeced by the hot young chick and their translator in front of your eyes.

Yeah, I've seen those guys. I sometimes "forget" that I speak English around them, lest they want to become friends.

[–]zrobek 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There is truth to this

Polish rapper made song about the "fame" these Slavic insta hoes get

Hilarious because opening line is literally the hoe saying "that's why I was blowing"

Fejm- qbik

[–]get_unoffended 10 points11 points  (1 child)

If you are going to handle a Slavic girl - they know foreigners are weak - you have to have major game, and if you are going to bring one back to the West - not really advisable - you need to have Titanium Steel Frame. She'll be way more feminine and can cook for you, but the moment she turns on you, you, western lad, are


. I've seen it happen. Bear in mind that when I go back to visit the remaining fam in the


I find myself meeting every eligible single girl in the Oblast.

"Why are there so many plates set for dinner?"


"Oh, we're having a few guests...."

Marrying off the younger folks is the Babushka National Sport. So is interfering with their marriages and splitting them up.

Thank you for this post. As someone from the former Soviet Union who is about to visit back for the first time as an adult male, this is very helpful advice.

Honestly, I don't know how American men live with the meager options that they have. I live in the South, and I find myself amazed on a daily basis when I see men in decent shape hand in hand with fat women. I don't get it. I don't find these women attractive in the least bit. There are so few options out there; men here don't realize that this is not normal. Anyway, guess I'll keep dating Asian girls here in the states. In my geographical area, they're the only ones who keep themselves thin with any degree of regularity.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don't know how American men live with the meager options that they have. I live in the South

When I am in the South, I sort of wonder how there can be that many fat people. And yet, there are.

[–]ten-bible 15 points16 points  (0 children)

cross the pond and discover that

Your value depends on staying in said foreign Slavic country, not bringing her to America. Once you do that, she starts 'becoming' an American woman. And she's surrounded by American men. Bad news.

And if you don't speak the language, at least semi-fluently

Not necessarily. Believe me. English is God Tier language of world. In Russia, even if only 30% (or whatever) of women speak English, I had thousands of models beating down my door. More than enough for a lifetime.

understand the culture

This helps but is not critical. You learn it as you go. Russian women for example are VERY much slut-shamed culturally in their society, so they need EXTRA special handling and reassurance if you move to sex quickly. I didn't know that but learned it in a matter of days and only had a couple problems. You only learn culture one way -- going there! So go forth and fuck young Padowan!

I understand what you're saying --- Some Thai women are huge gold diggers. Some Chinese women are time-wasters. Etc etc.

Guess what? Culture, scmulture.

The same principles holds true across ALL COUNTRIES ---

  1. Don't blow a ton of money on a girl, ever. In fact I would say -- unless you're literally fucking slum girls -- go 50-50 on most things. "Oh but their culture is different and.." FUCK THAT. YOUR AMERICAN CULTURE (or whatever you are) -- is 50/50. And YOUR REALITY is king. If this is really an issue, just go to a coffee shop/ bar and buy her ONE drink and spend <$10 on every date. You'll never be screwed that way! ANY country folks!

  2. Don't spend a lot of time on TIME WASTERS. These girls are interested in you in some way, but will not put out, in at least a month, or ever. Maybe they want friendship, adventure, marriage ... or who knows! Time wasters! How do you ferret out a time-waster? You ESCALATE QUICKLY. You set your own standards. I recommend 1-3 dates depending on your patience. If you are in a country for only 1-2 weeks, you can easily set a "1 date" maximum for kiss/ sex, for expediency. It's up to you. Sack up and have standards.

With these two rules in place, YOUR MONEY and YOUR TIME will not be wasted. In ANY country. If you are dopey accountant being courted by a tatted-up Thai black-diamond level hooker, who is saying "I love you" and giving you the best blowie of your life, sure. Just don't blow money on her. There you go. Don't let any girl lead you into any strange bars or locations either --- you should be running the show, picking the spots, even if she is a local. Until you trust her 100%.

So 3 rules really but yeah.

[–]clausternn 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you venture forth into Central or Eastern Europe

Hey just to be clear, what do these things mean, specifically?

Eastern Europe is obviously Russia and Ukraine, and then I'm guessing the small Baltic countries and maybe Finland.

I'm assuming Central Europe is Poland, Romenia, Czechia, Hungary, and the Balkans.

Then Western Europe starts with Germany and Austria, and consists of everything else west of that, along with Scandinavia.

Is that the gist of it?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Different people slice it up in different ways. To me, EE = Russia, the Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, and Moldova. Probably Romania also. CE = Poland, Check, Slovakia, Hungary. The Balkans = Everything that used to be Yugoslavia, plus Bulgaria, Albania and Greece.

[–]Banned-in-Boston 255 points256 points  (84 children)

My Russian, 15 years younger than I, split 3 weeks after her Green Card (GC) arrived.

Up until then, she was the model, perfect hot wife for 2.5 years.

A consumate actress and GC whore.

[–]ahab_dies 140 points141 points  (1 child)

I would guess that you probably ignored red flags because she was hot.

Sorry to hear that though.

[–]hb8only 3 points4 points  (0 children)

he was fucking 15yo younger hottie for 2.5years - don't have to be sorry for him at all...

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    [–]Banned-in-Boston 49 points50 points  (5 children)

    No prenup. She just left with her portable stuff. The most valuble things were the four gold crowns on her teeth that I paid for. $1500 to a dentist in Mexico, about 1/3rd of the USA cost. So all in all, just a shredded heart, not the wallet.

    [–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (0 children)

    you dont have a wallet, that's why she left.

    [–]2chazthundergut 16 points17 points  (1 child)

    Shredded heart?


    No wonder she left you.

    Grab your nuts and go fuck some chicks. You are free!

    Only a sick bird longs for a cage.

    [–]hb8only 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    just a shredded heart

    what? shredded heart? LOL

    imagine her with 20kg/40lbs more - you would not even notice her.. so what shredded heart are you talking about...

    [–]throwawayred521 73 points74 points  (4 children)

    Wow that suck man. But it doesn't surprise me from a woman, awalt this sub tends to glorify overseas women's but that doesn't change their nature.

    [–]ttdharri 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    American think asian women are so good.. they'll found out..

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Asian women are savages. Straight savages dog. Dont trust em. Theyll rip you apart like a shark. You gotta keep em on a leash. It is a zoo out here.

    [–]Psychocist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I've been dating a really down-to-earth Myanmar girl. I've met savage Asian chicks while living there for the last year, and I agree - they are sharks. Just don't give them anything and see if they stick around. That's the only way to tell. Most will leave, some will stay.

    [–]antariusz 35 points36 points  (7 children)

    AF / BB doesn’t mean that only alphas get sex.

    It means that some women sleep with you for your genetics, for fun, for hot sex.

    Other women will sleep with you for your resources.

    You were simply providing her B.B. when you stopped providing her resources she needed, she discarded you, as all women will.

    [–]AhButThen 10 points11 points  (0 children)


    Always remember AWALT.

    [–]ovrload 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    I don’t understand why BB let themselves get used. Even if you get sex with a woman you can tell if she’s really into you or just using you for your resources

    [–]ArdAtak 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    I don't think everyone can tell. Some guys have real bad social IQ and calibration. Some women are great actors. It happens.

    [–]reluctantly_red 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Some women are great actors.

    Yes they are -- and even guys that should know better get played -- I know I did.

    [–]underscoredotdot 10 points11 points  (17 children)

    That must be a real story. Was it a good 2.5years?

    [–]Banned-in-Boston 34 points35 points  (11 children)

    Yes. Sex was great, it all seemed perfect. Until a Feb 13th when she said, "Don't get me anything nice for V-day, I want a divorce."

    Three weeks later, from the window of the taxi taking her to the airport, she said, "You are a good man." That hurt the most.

    [–]hamstercide 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    Do you know where she went after that?

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      [–]hamstercide 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Not bad, not to sound rude but sounds like she did well for herself.

      [–]underscoredotdot 1 point2 points  (7 children)

      Did you really love her? So she returned to her home country or did she stay in the USA?

      [–]Banned-in-Boston 23 points24 points  (6 children)

      Of course I loved her, she was my actual, real wife.

      Of course she stayed in the USA, the Green Card assured that.

      [–]underscoredotdot 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      That sux. I feel for you guy.

      [–]alecesne 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Is this the 2 year provisional GC? Because that has to be renewed-

      [–]GarytheGreat123 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Why are you banned in Boston though?

      [–]glenthedog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Did she take your money? If not i think I'd be fine with that, as long as i didnt fall in love and she worked.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 23 points24 points  (4 children)

      I bet the screwing he was getting was not worth the screwing he got.

      [–]SiliconeGiant 20 points21 points  (3 children)

      Well if you think about it, she didn't rape him financially, so aside from the emotional part which I don't discount, and coping with the reality that someone was using you, you could argue it's the same as having a girlfriend for 2 1/2 years, and then breaking up. OP will recover and move on like we all do.

      Best wishes OP, consider that it's possible that her feelings were real previously, and then changed over time, 2-3 years very, very common timeframe.

      [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 25 points26 points  (2 children)

      you could argue it's the same as having a girlfriend for 2 1/2 years, and then breaking up.

      One could argue that....if one was a Hamster.

      [–]Freegeeks 8 points9 points  (1 child)

      LoL, I spit out my coke reading this. She suddenly lost her feeling few weeks after she got the green card but that was a pure coincidence, oh boy ... really most guys better not try dating in EE because all they will have is an empty wallet

      [–]geo_gan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      ha, ha... yes and actually it's written in large bold font on back of the green card "are you sure you are happy with your current man?"

      [–]Andgelyo 39 points40 points  (10 children)

      No one is safe, when will red pill men learn this? There are no unicorns, even globally. You really have to screen out the millions of whores to get the girls that less likely to fuck you over( notice how I said less likely).

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      seek a whore and you shall find. Character requires equality. Change, or be ignored by women.

      No one wants to do your laundry, chud.

      [–]Lambdal7 1 point2 points  (6 children)

      What about my grandma, he dealt with a the finances, never spent a dime, worked every day of her life an took exactly 1 week of vacation in her whole life. If I have an example in my close social circle, there must be millions of unicorns, no?

      [–]Andgelyo 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      That was back then, im talking about today’s day and age, where being a whore is glamorized and even encouraged. Of course back in the day there were good women, cmon now.

      [–]marjeh 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      That's the part OP left out; you can't bring them into western society and expect them to behave as they did back home.

      You change the rules, you change the game.

      [–]FullOfShiznit 29 points30 points  (6 children)

      Russian bitches are true materialistic hores, everybody knows that Same goes for every other immigrant wannabe bitch. How old are you being that naive?

      [–]grewapair 24 points25 points  (2 children)

      Meanwhile, a whole post on how much "better" foreign women are.

      Idiots. Foreign women know if you're ugly, same as American women. The difference is they'll put on an act that American women dont need to.

      [–]askmrcia 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      Don't know why, but your comment randomly reminded me of a movie I saw where this dude was married to a blind girl.

      The girl was born blind. But she eventually got her sight healed. The very first dude that gave her attention she banged him and cheated on her husband.

      The guy cheated with was better looking, but that was it. Made me feel sorry for the guy because he was with her for like 8 years and supporting her while she was blind.

      But it didn't matter because she was attracted to the other guy more.

      Edit: movie is called "All I see if you."

      I'm pretty sure I saw it on Netflix

      [–]ovrload 21 points22 points  (0 children)

      A lot of blue pilled simps fall for the foreign woman meme

      [–]hamstercide 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      What about immigrants from 1st rich world countries (Switzerland, Norway, etc.)?

      [–]ten-bible 11 points12 points  (16 children)

      This is only true of Russians IN America or in mail-order bride websites.

      Dude I was in Russia, and NONE of the women wanted to leave Russia, let alone marry a guy for a green card and go all the way to the US.

      I was fucking through models left and right (in America I seldom ever do) --- girls were buying me dinner. It was a no strings fuck-fest, girls were reverse gold-digging. Driving hours to see me. Buying shit for me.

      They just wanted to fuck me, bad. Mostly because I was American, I'm not a male model by any means.

      Just saying ... if you are IN Russia, you will have a good time. Most girls don't want to move. If you're IN a gold-digger website, well ... DUH.

      I just want to clear that up as I find most Russian women are not gold-diggers. I would argue most American women are not-gold diggers either ... but if you're rich and at a place that attracts them .... look out.

      Look lads, the only advantage you have as an American is WHILST IN an foreign country.

      Any woman --- France, Chinese, Indian, Russia --- once she is in the USA, your arbitrage value goes down. Because she's SURROUNDED by Americans. Also, she starts learning American values rapidly. She slowly becomes an American woman (shudder). You need to stay in the foreign country to maintain your 'exotic' status and her 'not mentally fucked' status.

      [–]reluctantly_red 7 points8 points  (4 children)

      Most girls don't want to move.

      This comes as a surprise to many Americans -- but not everyone wants to come to the land of the NRA and KKK.

      [–]ten-bible 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      Well that demonstrates that yes, the media would have you think the cops are spraying civilians on the street, but yeah not really. The European view of what's going on in America is filtered through garish media. If I turn on Fox News or Maddow, either one will give me a warped view of reality, and Euro TV (not to mention state owned R-TV) is similar propaganda.

      I live in Chicago. I've never seen anyone brandish, let alone fire, a gun. Or any police brutality. I've never seen or heard from any member of the NRA or KKK.

      The reality is the gun violence happens in very localized ghettos that aren't exactly tourist hot spots. And the latter, well, Chicago is a liberal stronghold. Point is, what you "imagine" something to be is usually not accurate at all. Same was true of me & Russia, before I got there.

      But yeah, they're happy in Russia. St. Petersburg and Moscow are international cities with a lot going on. The arts, business, tech, beautiful architecture (Moscow certainly has some ugly buildings but eh). True the winters are brutal but same with Chicago.

      The idea that 'Murica is the land of milk and honey and everyone's dying for a green card? Yeah ... no. Would you move to Germany permanently if your salary increased 50%? Maybe, maybe not. Probably not. You like your country & culture.

      [–]Dark_Lord_A 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      This literally sounds like a "You" problem.

      [–]kyledontcare 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Sorry about that man, I'm sure you must be down about that and in pain. I've heard little good about Russian women on here except that they are often gorgeous and two-faced.

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      The Feminazis could have told you this would happen. Anyone knew that would happen.
      You got what she wanted; she gt what she wanted. You're just lucky she didn't cut your dick off because of how much she loathed you.

      [–]gaki123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Why this is wrong? She got to live in the US. It was a completely rational choice of hers

      [–]stylerTyler 170 points171 points  (43 children)

      Delusional. You think the grass is greener on the other side. Do you really think the sweet Eastern European girl is in love with you because you are the alpha fux that she’s always dreamed of? That’s delusional af. You are simply her visa to USA. She’ll tolerate you until she lays hands on her permanent residence then probably dump you.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 48 points49 points  (24 children)

      People here do not understand what poverty / 3rd world upbringing does to people's psyches. They don't see it as wrong, these girls are desperate, it's their draft day, it's what they've been training for. They are often trying to provide for their parents or family, they often have stronger motivations to get the better lifestyle than you have to wake up and go the gym. They are more RP than you, but they are also still women so their are illogical and do batshit emotional shit too. I know a LOT of these guys, both guys who just paid out a lot to their foreign GFs, or who actually imported them in and gave them the dream. Lotta cool older dudes into the semi-p4p scene in these countries - they are either insanely BP, or they are RP'd after having done some insanely BP thing that crushed them, and now their just sorta brokenly in a passive red pill state. Look at the dudes wife shopping in Colombia or Thailand or Philipines. They didn't turn out so great, maybe theres a few happy stories in there, but yikes.

      [–]Poutvora 39 points40 points  (20 children)

      Hmm, I am from Slovakia, living in Czech Republic and by no means we are in poverty and it does not feel like 3rd world upbringing here.

      There is no much difference between girls here and girls in the USA. Keep in mind that the world is open. It's the same as with me and you. We are not that different, and the girls also aren't.

      [–]Freegeeks 33 points34 points  (1 child)

      Indeed, a lot of Americans think that CE and EE is some third world region.

      [–]Poutvora 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      I get the fun that comes from stereotypes. But to have a serious discussion one has to look past it I think.

      [–]womans_algorithm 22 points23 points  (1 child)

      I'm with you. Americans only distinguish between "rich as fuck 'Murica" and "poor as fuck East Europe". Black or white, no grey in between. It's certainly not 3rd world or poverty here and I'm happy to live here. Women here are much less entitles and bitchy, and the country isn't ran by big corporations, as opposed to the actual government.

      [–]1dongpal 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      They don't see it as wrong, these girls are desperate, it's their draft day, it's what they've been training for. They are often trying to provide for their parents or family, they often have stronger motivations to get the better lifestyle than you have to wake up and go the gym.

      Yeah, nice. Then after getting adjusted to western life they throw that all abord and are now slowly becoming whores. You make the mistake thinking that people who have a specific mindset in a region are going to keep it when they circumstances are changing.

      [–]PatsFever 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      It has nothing to do with them becoming anything, they were playing a visa game the whole time, there was no evolution into a whore. The whole world of foreign visa chasers is slimy as hell and the marks that don’t get it (i.e. that marry one) are funny as hell.

      [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      You are misreading my post - I am saying that these girls have stronger female game because they have been raised with the mentality of "get a rich guy", they are better adjusted to hypergamy than your average BP is at recognizing and dealing with hypergamy. It's not that they become whores, it's that whoring isn't a point of shame, it's a point of pride.

      [–]sehns 6 points7 points  (5 children)

      Clearly you have no experience with this matter. So how did you come up with this opinion? Television? 90 Day Fiance? Movies? What makes you so sure about it that you believe OP, who obviously is experienced compared to you, is "Delusional"?

      If i've got a broken toilet flooding my apartment and OP is a professional plumber with 10 years of experience, you're more like the gender studies major standing over him telling him that he doesn't know what he's doing and that he's "Delusional". Nah, i'm going to go with OP on this one.

      Sadly, your opinion is very similar with lots of American men who have never left their country except for short vacations. Western women want guys to believe that women from abroad are all scammers who "just want a greencard". Honestly, I thought people in this sub would have seen through all this shit by now.

      Guys like you need to sit down, shut up and listen to what the experienced men are saying. You might learn a thing or two, and once you have some experience, I'm sure many would be happy to hear your opinions then.

      And seriously, calling someone who is "Delusional" who is waay more experienced than you on the topic makes you look like an asshole.

      [–]stylerTyler 4 points5 points  (4 children)

      I’m not even American nor do i live there. I’m from a so-called 3rd world country. There is a shit ton of young men and women who approach rich old male and female tourists and try to start romantic relationships just for the sake of being able to travel abroad. They target this old age because they don’t have many years to live so they can inherit them when they die. This OP and yourself know nothing about anything outside of your small narrow circle. You think the biggest problem in life is how to pickup drunk girls at nightclubs. Dude shut the fuck up. What I see in a week you see in a lifetime.

      And by the way, if you fail to recognize that I’m not saying that 100% of the people do this then you are even a bigger fucktard. You can travel to a “3rd world country” and meet honest people who love you for yourself. But the majority of the people who want to pursue something “serious” with you actually do have an agenda behind their actions.

      [–]marjeh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I agree. I moved to South America two years ago and during this time have met some genuinely nice people over here. The truth however, is that most people are looking for the quick dollar and won't hesitate to screw you over if given the chance.

      I don't even blame them. Opportunities don't come around that often and it's a survival mechanism ingrained in them.

      That being said, once you accept reality for what it is and not for what you want it to be, it's a pretty fun place when it comes to women.

      [–]Freegeeks 85 points86 points  (11 children)

      The myth of the Eastern European women. I’m an established western European 42M, have my own business, very fit, etc ... don’t believe for a second these so called traditional values. I dated a lot of EE women the last years. It’s indeed very easy to date as a western male but believe me you are only a walking ATM. If you want to date some of the most narcistic golddigging women then yes, date EE and CE women.

      [–]Cairnsian 46 points47 points  (0 children)

      This should be top comment. Almost every post in this thread reads like satire, glorifying EE women and fantasising about their 'traditional' nature. Nevertheless, it gives me a bored chuckle. Women all over the world have one common denominator, they're all human. What do humans do first and foremost -- act in accordance with self-interest.

      [–]sehns 7 points8 points  (5 children)

      I was in Ukraine and got laid like a rock star. None of them asked for money. They threw themselves at me, fucked me, and then took a taxi home. And all of them were about 3 points on average higher than I could get back home. IG model looking types. They all wanted a relationship of course but were content with just being fucked hard. I have had a completely different experience to you. Same thing in Thailand, where I live now.

      [–]Freegeeks 11 points12 points  (2 children)

      The original post is about having LTR not ONS. I suggest you develop a LTR with one of these Ukrainian IG models and report back in 1 year. I totally agree that it’s easy to get laid but CE and EE women are not these mythical ideal creatures to have a LTR with.

      [–]sehns 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Well I've dated a Russian woman in the US for a couple of years, and now i've been with the same Thai girl for a couple of years (in Thailand) everything has been fine. A little bored. Just select LTR's very carefully and hold frame. Though, this is true for women anywhere.

      [–]ten-bible 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I had the same experience in Russia (as did any American dude I met there generally).

      Anyone saying the Green Card/ Goldigger story has never been to these countries. Most women do not wish to leave the country (in Russian and I assume Ukraine too) -- are happy to buy you dinner or drive an hour to see you (not that I demand that) ... and hell half of them don't even drink a drop of alcohol (another stereotype).

      Most women knew I wasn't sticking around at all but still fucked happily. One bought me dinner when we went to a cash-only place and I forgot my cash (I offered to go to an ATM immediately before, she said no). It wasn't a "ruse" either ...

      Now Thailand?

      I was there back in 2009 right after the World Economy tanked. This was before the Age of Tinder, and there were almost no tourists there (but me) because it was April 2009. Result? A vast majority of woman approaching me were Bonafide Hookers. Not goldiggers, just Hookers but in Thailand it's often blended together. So there I can't comment as much. I did meet a few nice girls who made out with me, but I couldn't shake the feeling in the back of my mind that they might be hookers demanding cash ex-post-facto. I'm sure now, with Tinder, it's much easier.

      [–]clausternn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      How old are/were you? Were you usually fucking on the first date, or did you more often have to wait until the 2nd/3rd?

      I'm assuming you were most successful with day game in the Ukraine than any other kind.

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        [–]No-Steppe-on-Pepe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Yeah but that requires effort and patience.

        [–]womans_algorithm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Much easier to call all women sluts and AWALT and have emotional satisfaction how you are "the shit" for knowing this. /s

        [–]DareyFathom 74 points75 points  (28 children)

        It's not reasonable for most western men to go overseas to date women. Many have jobs that require being in their country and don't afford nearly enough leisure time for constant overseas excursions. Not to mention the additional cost associated with travel. Plenty of times bringing a girl to the west will westernize her as well. So then the solution is to live overseas permanently which becomes even more challenging.

        [–]420KUSHBUSH 38 points39 points  (10 children)

        Which then begs the question: Is it all even worth it?

        Edit: This was rhetorical you people

        [–]gattaca_ 15 points16 points  (2 children)

        Is it all even worth it?

        No. It's a bad idea.

        If you don't have any game here, you won't have game elsewhere.

        If you want to fuck a 9, just pay a high-end prostitute (assuming you can't get it any other way).

        If you want to date a 9, you'll need to be a 9 yourself.

        If you're a 5 and want to date a 9 and moving to a third world country is the only way; this is fraught with problems. Whether you bring her back home or leave her there she'll be fucking Chad Thundercock (the domestic or foreign version) who is in fact a 9.

        [–]ten-bible 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        If you don't have any game here, you won't have game elsewhere.


        Well, sorta true --- but your initial value is higher so you can bag hotter women with less game.

        This man has never heard of the concept of Arbitrage. Which is exactly what this is.

        And believe me, it exists.

        Your value fluctuates between countries dramatically. For a number of reasons. Hell, in some instances, your value can change from room to ROOM even in your hometown. Think about a Band Frontman in a rockin' joint -- and the same guy going to the Board Room the next day as a low-level analyst. Yeah, value changes.

        I've even had my value change in the same bar, same night. Two girls were randomly bitchy to me, until they realized I knew 90% of the people in the bar. Suddenly, hot girl A is offering hot girl B up to me for NSA sex (she's lonely!). I rejected her because of my dumb ego at the time (childish decision on my part) but there you go.

        It especially changes across continents a whole fuck of a lot.

        For women, most of the value is tied in looks, but believe me. If they are Japanese or French and an 8, they are pretty much a 10 here in the US. Men's value fluctuates even more so.

        [–]SKRedPill 15 points16 points  (1 child)

        Lifting is always worth it, girls or no girls.

        [–]SeedThrownAway 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        So true. The iron temple will never bullshit you.

        [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        It is definitely not worth it to maintain a blue pill mentality (I want to find a girl and settle down and get married) and combine it with another blue pill mentality (all girls in the phillipines / colombia / ukraine / thailand) are feminine and will treat me as an alpha), and then use a little sprinkle of RP strategy to try to make it happen.

        Fulfilling BP goals using RP ideas generally leads to cognitive dissonnance and dissatisfaction. You know the deal with your Columbian gf / wife, you know why she's with you deep down, even if you pretend. The risks are all still there, she is as much woman as any other woman, and you better keep having something she needs. Basically it's a shitty fantasy too, you can be smart about it and try to fulfill your wife and homemaker "traditional feminine woman" dreams using clever RP tactics, but the goal itself is flawed. You are at best a powerful rocket aimed in the wrong direction.

        [–]destraht 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Its worth it if you like adventure anyways. I used to shy girls off in California because they lived two hours away by car and I knew that would suck. However, when living in another country even six hours [by public transport] seems pretty ok since I get to go to a new area, have a place to sleep for free when I get there and pussy all lined up.

        The trick is to go to a region that you already hopefully like more than where you are coming from and then every new girl is just a new random destination while checking things out. Thats great for me!!!

        Well to digress a bit. I can't answer about settling down with one of them yet because I haven't done that. That is very dependent on the country and city. Some places suck or can grow to suck as you are experiencing them. I'm shying away from Colombia now because the Venezuela thing is making traffic unbearable and I just can't get around anymore. So I'm stuck in my neighborhood more than I'd like. Its not going to get better, and other things that go with that. So back to Ukrainish. The refugee situation over there seemed 1/10th as harsh by comparison and I know before and after. It thought that had become kind whacky crowded in L'viv for example, but now I know what 4 points higher feels like and Ukraine is nothing. Anyways to try to make this paragraph make sense, developing countries can go down the pisser real fast and not everyone wants to imagine or deal with that.

        [–]DareyFathom 9 points10 points  (2 children)

        I wouldn't really recommend going overseas for a female unless you are able to support it in terms of resources. I am not going to take a massive decline in my quality of life just to have a higher probability of success with higher women.

        [–]criveros 6 points7 points  (1 child)

        Quality of life overseas can be much better tho.

        [–]erosmiseo 7 points8 points  (2 children)

        You guys do realize there are foreign women right here in America? I mean you might have to do a little research but there is plenty of foreign women who want to try men out of their own cultures.

        For example I have a friend who loves Asian girls so he started going to places where Asians go, not fake Chinese food restaurants but certain parts of the city.

        I myself like East African women, my wife is way finer in every way from education, looks, n count,then I would’ve found in a white girl.

        Most white girls in my city are whores with unrealistic expectations. My wife ishead and shoulders above what I would’ve found elsewhere.

        Just saying, try all the flavors out before you buy

        Edit: my wife was born here she has her citizenship as well as a master degree and I’m coming in the relationship being an ex drug dealer currently on probation with prison time over my head and working for 15/hr

        [–]Skylights1000 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        She may be “westernized”, but not nearly as much as a girl that’s been here her whole life and have all her values shaped around this culture

        [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        So then the solution is to live overseas permanently

        The solution is to raise your SMV an become more alpha, not to go overseas to find a unicorn who'll never cheat on you.

        [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 2 points3 points  (4 children)

        Working overseas is a goal that can be achieved. If you work for a large multinational then there will probably be plenty of opportunities to work abroad, from a short stint to a permanent assignment. They may even give you a great package for housing and "hardship" pay on top.

        [–]DareyFathom 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Depends entirely on the personal situation. I couldn't transition smoothly in mine. I'd have to transfer to another sector which would almost certainly hurt me financially. Small business owners are another major contigent that aren't leaving without significant negative consequences. What about any immediate family commitments? Also, as someone that has worked overseas in multiple locations, there are drawbacks to it as well. I'm confident stating that the majority of men aren't going to improve their lives by moving overseas and it is really only a viable solution to a small percentage of western men. Probably largely retirees. Access to higher quality women alone is not what I would deem a meaningful justification to making that decision either.

        [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Sure, there are many obstacles and moving abroad is not a smooth transition for anyone. However it is still a goal that is achievable for many if not most especially if they are still young. Older men who are single are also prime candidates as they'll have more resources at their disposal and can even retire early in a low-cost country.

        Baby steps can be taken as well. My recommended course of action to those who are interested is to start out with an extended vacation in their target country. If they still like it, I tell them to try living there while keeping one foot in their home country.

        If they don't like it, they can always return home. At least they'll have experience with another culture, hopefully one with women who are not overweight, angry, depressed, and feminist.

        [–]ahab_dies 1 point2 points  (4 children)

        Find a job that puts you on a foreign country. What's really holding you back?

        [–]DareyFathom 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        My high income level that won't be matched overseas as my work and certifications that make me valuable are specific to the US (crime data analyst). Based on my experiences in Colombia and El Salvador, any country with women that aren't westernized won't pay enough to compensate for the decline in quality of life. These will be consistent issues for most men.

        [–]ahab_dies 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        Depends where you go. I know loads of western men here in South East Asia who could be making more back home but still make a lot here. Factor in the living costs here and they actually have a much higher standard of living on a slightly lower wage. Personally, I could be making more back home but considering how cheap it is here I actually end up saving more (in ££ too after exchange rates, not local currency) and I have a better lifestyle while I'm saving more and doing a job the other guys in my company didn't want to do because they have families. So basically I'm getting better experience, more savings, making my mark in the company when others wouldn't, and living a better lifestyle by working here. Plus Asian women are way better than Western women.

        Too bad about your certifications and stuff being nation specific. That's a genuine problem, for sure. I think a lot of people don't realise how worth it it can be to leave the West, though.

        [–]marjeh 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Exactly. I moved to South America and my experience has been very similar to yours. I don't make as much money as I did back in the States but I spend wayyy less, live a higher quality of life, and although the women aren't perfect, are much much better down here.

        It almost seems too good to be true. But hey, I get it, the unknown and all that comes with it may be too "scary" for most to even consider.

        But for those daring few who decide to venture outside the gates of the barn, the rewards will be worth it.

        [–]ahab_dies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        It demonstrates really well that the vast majority will always choose the "safe" and "comfortable" option. All it takes a bit of daring, a bit of effort, and a bit of hard work and you can really set yourself apart and find something good for yourself.

        Fine by me, if everyone were to do what we did then there would be less to go around :p

        [–]edargham 11 points12 points  (0 children)

        AWALT. Stop deluding yourself.

        [–]celincelin 8 points9 points  (2 children)

        You and others alike don’t realize two simple things:

        1) Just like you’re automatically in the top there, any thin feminine woman from there will automatically be in the top back in the US. Imagine the competition you’ll have to win just to keep her, especially if her main reason is money, which you even admit yourself.

        2) Life in third world dumpholes is exactly what it sounds. Sexual climate is indefinitely healthier, almost everything else sucks shit. You’ll have to stay there long, without common Western luxuries like functioning police force. What is that mythical unicorn made of to be worth it?

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          [–]Freegeeks 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          That’s it basically, if you are not successful with high SMV women in our western society then your beta ass is going to be eaten alive over in Ukraine or Russia. I travel almost every month to EE or CE for business, the myth of the traditional value CE or EE women is just that, a myth.

          [–]sour_jesus 18 points19 points  (6 children)

          Rather than thinking about that chubby tattoed 5, you could have your pick of wholesome 7s who have always dreamed of living in America.

          You know this'll misfire, and your lovely Slavic chrysalis will spawn into another Anglosphere-style thotterfly, right? The move is to stay with her in our shithole Eastern European countries - if you want a family, that is.

          For anyone thinking about taking that plunge - you'll be forever her situational Chad, and if you're still in position to get that US bag you'll have laughable expenses.

          Not having anything against pump & dumping local talent, but it's like hooking RV behind a Lambo - it gets the job done but you waste so much potential.

          [–]DaleyCenter 3 points4 points  (4 children)


          Anybody that thinks the hot Bulgarian, Romanian or flip is gonna stay true to their blue pill ass after they become acculturated to the US (and get perm residency or citizenship) is in for a rude surprise.

          [–]sour_jesus 17 points18 points  (3 children)

          "What have you done for me lately, Eddie?"

          [–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          This skit is so good because it was in the 80s. Women with no internet, no social media, etc, from countries who didn't have nearly as much media or information were still able to figure out how to come over as a bush bitch and walk out as a high status thot. Imagine now that most of these countries are developed / developing and they have all the same shit culture as we do, same social media exposure, same smartphone rates etc. Women in these countries aren't retarded country bumpkins, they know this shit. They knew it in the 80s, they know it now too.

          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          That's why you don't get a "Bush Bitch."

          Excellent reference, btw.

          [–]carrills 12 points13 points  (10 children)


          A four year relationship ended 4 months after arriving in America. Less than that even as she had been preparing for it at least a month or two beforehand. Notice that her co-workers gave her advice on what to do, they told her she's an American now, and doesn't have to put up with a "abusive," and "controlling," husband. It's the year 2018 for crying out loud! How dare he impose standards on you! Happy wife, happy life!

          No matter where you go or who you meet, you will always have to contend with the burden of performance and hypergamy. So at least don't be a dumb fuck like me, don't ignore mountain sized red flags, don't ignore your gut instincts and don't bring her to a country full of guys that "may," be better than you, because maybe is all they need.

          [–]Brickles09 5 points6 points  (3 children)

          Wow, that conversation is the ultimate nightmare! And what fricking paper has that woman wanted signed?

          [–]carrills 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          She wanted me to file for divorce as she's not smart enough to do it. She literally thought all I had to do is sign a document. The only silver lining in this is she's letting me handle the terms of the divorce, so I will lose almost nothing compared to what I could have.

          [–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I'm sure you feel terrible now. If it makes you feel better, your situation actually sounds extremely fortunate.

          Hopefully you'll make this the fastest divorce in history so she doesn't have time to get any other "good" ideas from her friends.

          [–]askmrcia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Lol probably a marriage license or something.

          [–]clausternn 5 points6 points  (3 children)

          What were the clegane sized red flags?

          [–]carrills 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          Lied about her n-count, slept with me on the first date, incredible mood swings, said all her ex boyfriends were "abusive," victim mentality, obsessed with Instagram, abused as a child, many of the signs of BPD, love bombing, mirroring, idealization, gaslighting, splitting, ect.

          [–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          slept with me on the first date

          Out of curiosity what date number would you find acceptable? And what's the maximum you would be willing to wait?

          [–]carrills 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          By itself it's not a major red flag, there are girls that won't give it up on the first date for you but will for someone else. But if you're in another conservative country and she's putting on a conservative good girl act but also fucks you on the first date it's not a good sign, it shows she's going all in on trying to lock you down.

          [–]187oddfuture 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          Classic hamster. This never works. Where have you been? Your NAWALT does not exist in anywhere resembling a third world country. Move to Cambodia and find your NAWALT there, and eek out a living farming rice for 12 hours a day.

          Any time you bring a foreign chick to the US it’s only a matter of time before they go ride the carousel.

          [–]ultrasuperthrowaway 28 points29 points  (4 children)

          You are basically saying NAWALT and that's wrong

          I've been to Eastern Europe and gotten with the women, they are the same.

          [–]omega_fat 8 points9 points  (2 children)

          EE women are in overall a fair bit better than American for sure. Thinner on average, can cook, less abrasive personalities, dress more feminine. How is that the same?

          [–]ultrasuperthrowaway 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          They are still hypergamous and have no loyalty and will dump your ass as soon as they can for a better seeming option as soon as they can.

          [–]187oddfuture 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          It’s the same because men have been deprived of their authority over women in LTR’s and marriage. Women are free to choose as they please, and consequently, are never happy when they settle down because they are always looking to see where the grass is greener.

          [–]Meta-h 15 points16 points  (6 children)

          I’ve done a bit of international travel and I would agree that the women in Europe are generally not like the feminist women you find here. Most of the 8s and 9s I met we’re down to earth and cool almost like a non-feminist 6 to 7 in the US.

          You never know if the novelty of being foreign and the Alpha perception of the US may play into this though.

          Access is most definitely the issue and the deal is that long distance dating is delusional because it takes away from the time you could be using to meet that girl down the block who you can actually take back to your place.

          [–]TRPmc117 26 points27 points  (5 children)

          > women in Eastern Europe


          It's an important distinction. Western European women are often just as bad as Americans, especially ones from the UK.

          [–]kyledontcare 27 points28 points  (4 children)

          I have heard no guy from the UK say anything good about UK women.

          [–]ThatKidinAfrica 20 points21 points  (1 child)

          Is there anything good to be said about them? Vikings took all the pretty bitches to norway.

          [–]kyledontcare 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          You sir win the savage award for today!!

          [–]1dongpal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Ugly and disgusting behavior.

          [–]geo_gan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Women from Liverpool/Manchester wear very little when they go out to clubs in town. There, I said something good about them.

          [–]TRPKid 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          A lot of people in the comments are shitting on OP, and maybe I don't know about Eastern Europe, but as someone that is living in S Korea, this isn't the case. The problem is that you are picking up girls that are living in 3rd world countries. If I was them, I would do anything to get out. But China, Japan, and Korea are not 3rd world shitholes like Ukraine, Thailand, or wherever else.

          I never really had much of an interest in Asian women until I got to Korea, and I realized how superior their women are culturally. It's hard to get into the culture as a foreigner, especially if you don't speak the language, and most people will fail if they are just coming out here for a couple weeks. I've lived here for months, going to live here for at least a year, but possibly two. If you have a job opportunity out here, I recommend it, otherwise don't bother.

          [–]askmrcia 8 points9 points  (1 child)

          Brother married a Korean. She and every female in her family are materialistic then any American chick I've ever seen.

          With that said, his wife does cook for him every damn day and does other nice things for him.

          Can't have it all I guess.

          [–]TRPKid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This is true, Koreans can be materialistic. But this isn't just for women, its true for men aswell(Off topic but, it's a thing where if you are a man driving a BMW, Koreans fucking love BMW, you are immediately seen has higher status, even if you drive home to some shithole home everynight. It's weird.). The difference is that, American girls will be materialistic and won't cook at the same time, so at least you can have one good thing going for you.

          There are no unicorns in the world. There never was, and never will be. Materialism and hypergamy has always existed even in a pre-feminism world. From the dawn of man the women always wanted the top men in the tribe, no? They would've wanted to live in the safety of whoever had the best hut and could hunt the most food, no?

          We are flawed as a species, and I think it's important to remember that. The thing that separates it all is, if you were starving, would you rather eat an apple that's completely covered in feces(Western Women) or a dirty apple(Non-Western Women)?

          Also, Lift.

          [–]devil363 5 points6 points  (0 children)

          This post is garbage. I live in Asia and they’re all the same. They will eat you up and toss you out like trash when they find someone better. AWALT.

          [–]AlQWEffos239 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          I’m original from Africa, finding a woman that has not been westernised who shares the same culture and beliefs will be challenging as most of them want a meal ticket. I’ll have a better chance Finding a family oriented woman in Africa then a westernised woman,

          [–]Johnnyvile 13 points14 points  (2 children)

          The global ability of dating in general is the issue. Women can get get Instagram comments and even gifts from guys thousands of mike away. People can meet and date living in neighboring states. This gives women way too much confidence in their actual dating pool so why settle down?

          It’s great for guys though. Any guy that has his shit together can actually go take trips to areas of dating that the internet and social media have opened.

          Yes. European and especially east European women still have that feminine and family based life style and want it. They want to wear dresses and make up, they want manly men. They are also conservative with their open sexuality. This is usually true of smaller cities and towns in Europe because that actually care about how they make themselves and their family look. They will open up if you can get them in bed. Of course there are always sluts everywhere.

          [–]A_solo_tripper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          There is an entire world beyond the U.S. you should be aware of.

          This is so true!

          If you can't afford, or unable, to go overseas, the next best is to go to a tourist spot stateside. There, you will be exposed to many different women of varying cultures. You will get a taste of abroad.

          Going overseas to get a dime piece has its pros and cons, as with nearly everything in life. Weigh them out.

          [–]massivewang 3 points4 points  (5 children)

          Most of the time in cases like this local men are not going to be on your level. This will be amplified depending on local culture as well.

          In my case as an American expat living in Brazil I benefit from the fact that:

          • I earn a very high income compared to local Brazilians (4-5x as much)
            • I’m well traveled
            • I learned how to speak Portuguese
            • My approach is the total opposite from local men, who are hyper aggressive and borderline harass women.
            • More women than men, often more women doing better than men etc
            • I have a different perspective as a result of working through the isolation/difficulty of being a foreigner alone in a new culture.

          I’m not “the man” or chad the destroyer. I’m also tall, workout, put in the work on my deficiencies, etc. I get a huge structural benefit simply to being a well-paid American in another culture. I think simultaneously my confidence has grown as a result of my various successes and triumph over my old beta tendencies/issues.

          If I were to return to the USA, I would certainly do a lot better with women than prior to my arrival. I think my life experiences would give me a leg up back home as well, but certainly it would be nothing like here.

          [–]clausternn 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          Fuck man, I'm down in Porto Alegre and in the exact same situation as you. Sort of. But unlike you I haven't been able to crack the code. Certainly more successful than I was in the US. But still not doing too well. At first I thought Brazil just wasn't as good as I initially thought... but reading your comment maybe I'm the one who's doing something massively wrong.

          My approach is the total opposite from local men, who are hyper aggressive and borderline harass women.

          What do you mean? What's your approach?

          More women than men, often more women doing better than men etc

          Is this true? More women than men? First I heard about it. And not sure I get the second part.

          [–]massivewang 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          North eastern Brazil is a different world my man. Porto Alegre is hard mode, very similar to the USA.

          In the north east women go out wanting to be approached. They're very friendly and open. They also make their IOIs quite obvious. Most of the time I have a positive interaction when I approach here.

          I went to we <3 POA a few years ago and I found the women to be incredibly cold/difficult. It reminded me of being in the USA to be honest (except everyone was fricken beautiful unlike the USA).

          There's more women than men typically when I go out here, and women generally are doing better overall economically than men. In essence it's hard finding a "successful" dude. So just by being a gringo who has his shit together your status gets elevated quite a bit. Coupled with the fact I don't walk up to women like a cave man and say "HEY SEXY OMG YOU'RE SO HOT LETS BANG" etc.

          [–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Porto Alegre is hard mode, very similar to the USA.

          Well... fuck. Wish I knew this before I went and got myself a job down here lol.

          I went to we <3 POA a few years ago and I found the women to be incredibly cold/difficult.

          I wonder why that is. Like how can it be so insanely different one region to another. I would have thought Porto Alegre would be easier, because it has fewer tourists than places like Salvador up in the Northeast, so you're more of a scarce commodity.

          [–]massivewang 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Culture is different in each region to AN extent. I.e Deep South vs NYC back home.

          North east:

          • beach, warm weather
          • more African influence
          • higher levels of poverty


          • colder climate
          • higher European influence
          • far less poverty

          Go to Fortal next year or travel for a weekend for a big concert (Safadao etc) in Recife, Fortaleza, praia da pipa etc. You can experience it first hand.

          Also I think being a tourist presente it’s own challenges. The fact I’m living here and speak Portuguese makes a big difference vs a tourist who only speaks English who’s gone after three days.

          Also the amount of foreign tourists is quite low. Rio is the place to visit, no real sense for a gringo to go anywhere else - rio, búzios, Angra dos Reis, etc.

          [–]aasparaguus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          This is misogynistic garbage.

          [–]ahab_dies 13 points14 points  (7 children)

          I moved to South East Asia about 3 years ago for work (Indonesia).

          Applying TRP in a place like this is like being a time traveller going into the past and using your learnt techniques on a society that hasn't had a chance to get to your level of understanding yet.

          Indonesia is still very Conservative, mostly due to Islam but also just because of their culture. There's a lot of gold diggers and women are very aware of hitting the wall so they're more keen to tie men down but the mess that is the western woman is decades away from appearing here.

          Asian society produces more feminine and FAR less brainwashed feminist women. Plus Asian women are just better looking. Chivalry is not dead here either. It's like being able to step back into the good old days of the west in terms of male-female relations. If you ever decided to do a LTR you'd easily find women who want a traditional arrangement and don't just want it easy while you bring home the money and she does nothing for the relationship.

          My advice to a lot of young men these days is to just get out and see some of the world. I still believe the USA is the best country on the planet (I'm a Brit BTW) but it produces the absolute worst women (and British women are no better). You'll be surprised how many good alternative cultures there are out there if what you're interested in is just working hard, making money, improving yourself, and gaming women. Is it perfect? No way, there's a lot of hypergamy here. But it's a fuckton better than dating white women.

          Tldr: lived in Asia for 3 years, opened my eyes that the Western woman isn't the only option - in fact its the worst option - and I'd never date a Western woman again

          [–]SeedThrownAway 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Nice. I'm settling in Indonesia for a year at the end of this month. And from my travels so far (6 months) I can agree that just getting out into the world is great considering monogamy has gone to shit.

          [–]ahab_dies 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Good choice. Where are you going to settle? Jakarta?

          [–]SeedThrownAway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Bali. You must be in Jakarta?

          [–]clausternn 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          Indonesia is still very Conservative, mostly due to Islam but also just because of their culture. There's a lot of gold diggers and women are very aware of hitting the wall so they're more keen to tie men down but the mess that is the western woman is decades away from appearing here.

          Does this mean you'll need to go on a lot of dates before you have sex? Or do you usually sleep with them on the 1st/2nd date?

          I've been wanting to spend a month or two in Asia next year, and Jakarta and the Philippines are my top picks at the moment.

          I've actually been considering moving to Asia and teaching ESL as well, but I'd probably need to go to Vietnam or China for that. Based on my research those countries pay more. Indonesia plays poorly and getting the visa legally is very difficult.

          [–]ahab_dies 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Islam doesn't hinder my ability to get laid with locals at all, but I do live in Jakarta which is the most liberal place outside of Bali (which is Hindu). My first date success rate is basically the same as back in the West. Just know which areas are good and which are bad because there are some pockets where the locals will stone your house and harass you if they see you take a local girl into your residence. Some residences won't allow female guests, others will charge to have a guest stay, others don't give a fuck. It's just been made illegal for unmarried couples to stay/live together but it's very lax. Some places will say no to you unless you provide a marriage certificate, some won't care. Find a Chinese Indonesian owned place and stay there if you can. Jakarta cheat code: everything is better when it's run by the Chinese Indonesians - they have far better work ethic and are staunch capitalists. There are also a lot of brothels with good hookers for low prices if that's your thing.

          I know some ESL teachers and while their pay is very low compared to wages back home they're still living at a high standard.

          Also, don't kiss women in public. I did it in a bar once when I first got here and got so many death states. I learnt quickly it's just not done. People don't even do it in the seediest and darkest bars.

          I like living in Jakarta but it's a terrible place to come on holiday. It's a business city with very little to offer to tourists.

          Oh, and don't fall for any girl that drinks or goes clubbing. They're incredibly hypergamous and gold diggerish. If you want a local girlfriend find a wholesome one, no exceptions. If any girl approaches you in a bar or a club be very careful and suspicious. As a rule I don't parlay with those women because I've known too many men get burned. I don't care how hot they are, it's not worth the risk. They're looking for a sucker; don't be it.

          [–]kyledontcare 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          If you're dating and living overseas as a western man you need to be willing to adapt to what that culture and way of life considers to be a high status man. And it may not include or be something you are good at. Don't forget language barriers.

          [–]Fulltilt_Ronny 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          i actually theorized this (feminism MUCH stronger in USA than elsewhere) in my last posting but it got rejected because i am new to reddit :(

          on the other hand, here where i live in europe (and most of the countries surrounding mine, your average american salary wont make any girl hook up with you.

          Average wages are very high here, too. And girls here seem to be different from the average american thot.

          edit: seems i can post now. praise the lord!

          [–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          A Man's Dating Pool is Global

          Just don't use this as an excuse to find a wife in Thailand. Your SMV might skyrocket in a 3rd world country, but it's relative to the girl's, not absolute raise.

          [–]Zech4riah 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          So, you are talking about beta bux game here. Whatever floats your boat m8.

          [–]officerkondo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          In fact, the average woman today weighs the same as the average man weighed in 1960.

          And the average man, being a gentleman, gained those 30 lbs right along with her.

          [–]No-Steppe-on-Pepe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Here's a thought for anyone interested in finding a LTR or wife:

          Don't get into a relationship with women who fuck guys they just met at the bar. They are the more successful version of all the hero stories you read here. They can, and will, go right back to that the second they believe you are no longer meeting their needs. They may eventually settle down and wish to have a relationship, but that's only going to happen after they're in their 30s and have a couple kids they're struggling to support. Red flags here are things like "I'm tired of the games" and "where have all the good men gone?"

          Wife material women view sex as something important and meaningful.

          In New York City I estimate that thin, feminine women that look forward to motherhood to be at most 5% of the single women. It would seem that the vast majority of men are out of luck, but that doesn’t have to be the case.

          Why would you look for a wife in NYC? Women move there to chase careers and party. People with traditional values stay in more traditional areas. I lived in big cities in California where it's mostly the same story. Literally the week I moved back home to the small town I grew up in, I met my wife.

          [–]danoranika 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Pro tip, don't bring her to America. Take your American money there.

          [–]PapaLouie_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          The only thing a foreigner wants from an American is a green card and some cash

          [–]naIamgood 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Not sure what the fuss is about. Just forget about this traditional angel like women. Just accept the reality. You should be able to fuck decent girls in the states especially if you are white and as Charlie said when there is a drought get yourself some ho-ho.

          [–]jonpe87 1 point2 points  (0 children)


          All the whores are all like that, believe, I have seem the more purest of them behave different near a rich guy and etc. The question is not if she is a whore, she is a whore, the question is: are you paying what she thinks she deserves from you?

          [–]kinmeyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Well the women of back then didn't have such easy access to education,jobs and safety.So priorities will change with opportunities,we are the same species after all.

          [–]a_nus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The real challenge starts if and when you bring her back to America. Sooner or later, she'll likely absorb the culture and embrace it.

          [–]majcisen 1 point2 points  (2 children)

          Anyone needs visa to eastern europe? :D i can bring you here and get some chicks for you and you will pay me for hoes with ur american dollars!

          [–]Freegeeks 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          The only country I need a visa for is Russia and getting one is trivial, one of the benefits of having a powerful passport :)

          [–]majcisen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I had ltr there, it would be easier then marriage? :D

          [–]DarkMountain666 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The Modern West and social media has done this to women. People these days want instant gratification, because they're spoiled.

          There is no reason to be feminine when just being female is already feminine enough these days.

          [–]kyledontcare 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          This is excellent. Should be stickied.

          [–]DesperateTomato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          I'm from Europe and moved to the US. The only women I fine attractive here are Latinas (my good God) and Asian women.

          By attractive, I mean physically and personality. American women are very "meh". Yes, I notice the hotty in town, but about 1000 American women have walked past that I wouldn't touch with a barge pole first.

          [–]Andgelyo 3 points4 points  (4 children)

          I love this post. Reminds me that the world is absolutely beautiful outside of Shitty (Northeast) America.

          [–]SeedThrownAway 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          America is fucking beautiful, what are you on about

          [–]Andgelyo 2 points3 points  (1 child)

          “North east”. I live in the ghetto of NJ, close to NYC. It’s the slums here my dude.

          [–]SeedThrownAway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Are you tied there? Is it worth finding a job somewhere else a little less gray?

          [–]187oddfuture 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yeah I mean we have a song written about it

          [–]OPTIMUSL1ME 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          I like this new family/wife oriented trp that's been surfacing the past couple days

          [–]Brickles09 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Italian girls have always fascinated me, very well dressed, feminine, lovely accent, beautiful, smart, well travelled... Sigh.

          [–]2chazthundergut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          America is the global superpower. We are dominant and affluent.

          American men are like Supermen. But we live on Krypton, because our women are dominant and affluent too.

          When you travel to other countries, you start to feel like superman as you see how valuable of a commodity you are to non-Americans.

          The problem with these posts is that you aren't fixing the underlying problem. Superman doesn't need to leave Krypton to get pussy. You are still a man. You have a stronger frame and stronger body than your female counterparts. You are already equipped to fuck American girls and have them gargling your balls and treating you like a king.

          Start acting like it.

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          [–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev 7 points8 points  (1 child)

          So long at you stay in E. Europe.

          [–]Freegeeks 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          Exactly this, I dated a Belarus gf, after a few months she started living with me in Western Europe. They adapt very quickly to the western women thinking. The whole myth of the traditional EE or CE women is just that, a myth.

          [–]Arabian_Wolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          you could have your pick of wholesome 7s who have always dreamt of living in America.

          The story of Umfufu

          [–]anticultured 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Yeah, brings back memories. My friend used to joke “I’m fucking my way around the world.”

          [–]ComradeCam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          One thing the cookie cutter housewives didn’t do in the 1960s, Fucking lift and get thicc

          [–]supremelummox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Why should I care if she's a mother material or not? I supposed we're mostly about plates here.

          [–]ProfessorSD 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          ok, so I am already in the top 5% - 7% of earners. How do I parlay that in getting women interested without breaking the bank? Of course I could just pay for it or get a sugar baby ( I have and do) but I want to do some free styling. That said I am 50 and I believe a lot of the advise around here is better suited to younger men (probably as it should be). I am new to the single seen after suffering a very expensive burning divorce from a ungrateful, selfish, gold digging, %$#*&.

          Thank god there were no kids involved.

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