Red Pill ExampleEnd Game or Handling Life on Your Own Terms (self.TheRedPill)

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End Game or Handling Life on Your Own Terms

So from time to time, we see questions about “What about when you’re older? Aren’t you afraid of dying alone? All the older guys on TRP can verify that this happens. The heavy subtext from the questioner (IRL) being, “Quick! Wife up one of these tatted-up, cankled single-mom bar sluts before all the ‘good’ ones are taken!”1 Sorry, not going to fall on that hand grenade for my "buddies" (meaning her ex, or the government, etc.)

The first problem is an existential one: Nobody belongs anywhere, nobody exists on purpose, everybody's going to die. You may not be staring out at your grave every day, like Morty, but you might as well be. Why?

Because we’re all going to die.

Someday, probably off in the distant future for most of you, the Norns will snip your thread, and the Reaper is going to tap you on the shoulder, and then you’ll be gone. We all pay the Ferryman in the end. Wow. That was a lot of clichés. I promise I won’t quote “The Shawshank Redemption”. That would be too much.

In the West – which already has it’s own set of problems – we live in a death-denying culture, and we regard people who have died as having somehow fucked up. We delude ourselves that perhaps there has been some clerical error in our case, and we're going to get out of life alive. That's not going to happen. Nobody - despite their best efforts and delusions - gets out of life alive. The sooner that you realize that, the sooner you can get about what you came here to do.

The question is not, therefore “Aren’t you afraid of dying alone?” it’s “What will you do with your one precious and beautiful life between now and then?”

Some people find Steve Jobs' 2005 Commencement Speech at Stanford to be useful in this regard, mostly because he was a famous visionary, and because he is also dead, and checked out a couple of decades early:

“Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Almost everything--all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure--these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart.

Jobs died less than 5.5 years after he delivered this speech. My guess is, he probably wished he’d tried Western medicine sooner rather than later, and – write this one down – talent comes with conditions, and Jobs did tend to buy into his own infallibility. Turns out he was great with computers, mostly, but when it came to making healthcare-related decisions, he was pretty fallible.

With the end of the Fear of Death begins the Death of Fear.

Once you realize, and by that I mean come to terms with, the fact that you will one day die, that's when you’re free.

I’ve written before about “Approach Anxiety” – when was the last time you think I had “approach anxiety”? Your guess is as good as mine, because I don’t remember. Sometimes, I look at woman and think, “What’s the most fucked up think I can say to her and still pull?” AFAIAC, it's MY world, the rest of you MFers just live in it...

You have nothing to be afraid of, so stop being afraid of shit. Get busy living or get busy dying. I guess I lied about not quoting the Shawshank Redemption.

The Problem Of Relative Happiness

So, years ago, I read a news article about a study that I’m too lazy to try and google about how people would rather make $100K if others were making $75K, than $200K if others were making $250K. That sounds dumb to me, because I don’t give a shit about how others are doing, I just want to advance my own cause, but evidently it’s a “thing” for a lot of people.

Evidently, it’s not enough for some folks to “win” but others must “lose” at least in relative terms. In any case, once you stop worry about other people, life gets a fuck-ton easier.

You Need To Stop Letting Other People Define Your Happiness.

And while you’re at it, stop making excuses. Sometimes things ARE easier for other people. There ARE people who are way better looking, or richer or funnier or whatever. So what? Dwelling on that is just an excuse to be unhappy. Whomever you’re comparing yourself too has their own set of issues. Develop your own strengths and move on from there.

If You Are Going to Make Mistakes, Let Them Be Your OWN Mistakes

Srsrly. That doesn’t mean “Don’t listen to good advice”, but the things you will regret the most will be not trusting yourself.

How To Have The Life That You Want.

So, I’m pretty happy in life. If my life is cool, it’s because I fucking PLANNED it that way. I don’t mean planned it down to every last millimeter, and I certainly got plenty of shit wrong until I figured out how the world worked, but I’ve done a good job of putting myself in a position to do well. Also, as you get older your goals tend to be more basic, such as waking up in the morning and thinking “Ok, Goal 1 for the day: Don’t Die.” 2

That said, I figured out where I wanted to be and then I developed a plan about how I could get from where I was to my goal and then I set about putting it into practice. If you think about the "impossibility" of your task, whatever that may be, you will surely fail. If you think like the Dutch or the Israelis (or so I am told) that nothing is strictly "impossible" it's more that there are a series of obstacles that must be overcome, then you will have a greater chance of succeeding.


Fear is often disguised as “practicality”. Lots of folks go into Law or Business careers because poverty sux and trading dreams for “not being poor,” because, let’s face it, being poor sux.

That said, for you young guys, NOW is the time to be FEARLESS. If you fuck-up, you still have time to recover. Go out, and take chances – Note I don’t mean the kind of shit you see on Jackass, but if you want to play music, or change the game of soccer, or invent a new type of French cooking, this is the time to do it.

I envy you guys your "optionality”. Not too much, because I like how things turned out for me, but still. Oh, and, all things being equal, I’d like my 19 y.o. back, again. Take care of your back and your knees. It’s important. I’m actually quite lucky, but really, strengthen your core.

Women are Dream Killers.

You’ve heard of the famous Wright Brothers, right? Reuchlin and Lorin Wright.

Wait, what? Something doesn’t seem correct? Don’t I mean Orville and Wilbur?

No I mean their older brothers Reuchlin and Lorin Wright.

You’ve never heard of them?

Probably because they got married and their wives nagged them into getting jobs down at the lumberyard or the tool and die and they didn’t do anything cool like INVENT THE FUCKING AIRPLANE. That’s why you’ve never heard of them. Women kill your dreams.

To be fair, I don’t blame women for this. It makes sense for them to play it conservative, not take chances, and rely on their hotness and reproduction value. They also don’t want to wind up widowed so yeah, that’s why you have to sell the motorcycle prior to your wedding day. Have fun with that.

Women should never be your purpose, only a happy accompaniment to a life well-lived.

Other Issues

Self-doubt, drugs, politics, conformity. There are any number of reasons to quit on your dreams and go to a job you hate until they fire you, your wife divorces you because you’ve “changed” or she “changed” and then you die of heart disease or whatever, never having climbed Everest.3

The Takeaways

• Stop being afraid of shit.

• Stop worrying about what other people think.

• If you make mistakes, let them be your own mistakes.

• The time to take chances is when you are 21, not 51.

• Take a deep breath…and make it count.


1 Contrary to what people – particularly post-WallSPLAT! women and the media want you to believe, shit gets so easy for men in their 30s (aka your “Dirty 30s”) provided you don’t do dumb stuff like get fat, get addicted to drugs or not ever develop frame. In my 30s, I was getting offers of NSA sex from married women. As in “Come over, I’ll cook for you, and then we’ll bang” offers. Generally, I didn’t indulge because I like to at least hope that I have some vestigial sense of morality that keeps me from doing truly shitty things, but yeah, that’s what life is for a RP man in his 30s. Also, if you’re getting single girls, that takes the edge off. So there’s that.

2 I do, however, know what my “Why” is. Actually my life strongly resembles the film Office Space - a cult classic from the 90s, you should all watch it, if you haven't seen it. More on that another time.

3 In fairness, I have zero interest in ever climbing Everest. A buddy of mine did it, but he’s really into that kind of things. Was always an “outdoorsy” guy. Of course, in whatever room he’s in, for the rest of his life, he will be The Guy Who Climbed Everest. /shrugs.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 98 points99 points  (15 children)

Great post. Moving.

Die for something or live for nothing. That's the choice every man makes.

Make sure what you live fight and die for is something that's worth it to you. not what someone else decides was worth your precious life.


[–]ATPsynthase12 17 points18 points  (1 child)

You make it sound like the only death worth doing is this poetic sacrifice.

The truth in it is that if you live for someone else you aren’t alive. Whether you’re a slave to a 9-5 job you hate working for a boss that doesn’t respect you or going home and sleeping next to a wife you don’t really love who resents you for whatever reason. You may be living but you’re not really alive are you?

That begs the question, what can you do?

Exit on your own terms. It’s better to be sleeping in a 1 room studio apartment and working a manual labor job that you love than the scenario mentioned above. There is a Bill Burr quote similar to this.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We actually agree on that - the only sacrifice one should make is the sacrifice one deems worthy. Not cus someone else told them to.

We die 1000 times before we get to live.

Kill the beta, let your best self live their best life.

[–]Mylaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I legit don't know my purpose in life

[–]NASCARnormie -5 points-4 points  (11 children)

Again your secular way of thinking blinds you. Living and fighting for "yourself" is selfish and holds no metaphysical basis. You only think about yourself and you will eat as cattle eat. Enjoy your plebian humanism.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 4 points5 points  (10 children)

  • says I'm selfish

  • calls me a humanist

Are you even trying bro? Lmao

[–]NASCARnormie -2 points-1 points  (9 children)

You're the door to door salesman who has a grasp on philosophy right? Thank you for proving my antithesis. Also, you should get a refund because who ever taught you philosophy ripped you off . We should keep doing this every week. Enjoy sudra caste.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Actually giving credit to the caste system.

You do realize people are born into castes, right?

You can never climb out of your caste.

I wonder what brought you here to TRP, cus its not like you'll ever change that right?

Edit: checked out the picture, pretty interesting. I'm glad you shared it. Neither of those groups apply to me though.

[–]moltenw 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What do you mean with "caste" in this context? Not sure if I understood correctly.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well. He said I was in the sudra of Indian caste systems

[–]NASCARnormie -1 points0 points  (5 children)

You're a humanist who believes in what you love to do not what you need to do.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I love eating McDonalds and soda but what I need to do is eat right, and lift uncomfortable, heavy ass weights.

But I dont lift cus someone else told me to. I lift because I deserve to see what I look and feel like big and strong.

I dont buy into "if it feels good" philosophy. It's not all for the sake of love. It's all for the sake of victory. Do what it takes to win. No matter the cost.

So, you have the complete wrong impression of my belief systems.

[–]NASCARnormie 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You don't buy into any philosophy. You blatantly reject it all because apparently it has no use. Your victory is nothing, it exists on the temporal plane. It lacks substance just like yourself.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There's more than meets the eye.

You ever heard of taking what makes sense and discarding the rest? I'm not a nihilist, lol. I'm influenced by greek cynics and eastern philosophy.

Why adhere to any one dogma, religion, philosophy, when some of it makes sense, the rest doesn't?

Edit: i worship no gods. They dont deserve my worship. I fear no hell, and fear no death. so, seeing as religion is a form of control, and I admire lucifer's rebellion and individuality , I'm gonna have to ask you to stop trying to convert me to Islam or theocratic warrior think until I see reinforcement for your claims

[–]NASCARnormie -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You don't know what makes sense cause you're an autist and an exoteric normie. You can pretend to be macho man writing all this behind a computer but i know that you have a fractured will. You'd shit yourself if death came around the corner.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMentORPHEUS 41 points42 points  (3 children)

I still remember the day in my early 20s, when life flipped from seemingly endless, to realizing that I would necessarily die before having time to do all the things I want to do. I took this not as an excuse to wallow in self pity or do stupid self destructive things, but to live life on my terms.

I have a pet theory. When most people get news that they are going to die, they grieve less for the years they won't have in the future, than for all the years they already had that they didn't live the way they wanted.

I'm in my 50s, in good health for now but if I had to tomorrow, I'd go to a happy grave.

[–]redblueninja 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Hey man, if you dont mind me asking how'd you get to that realisation?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

When most people get news that they are going to die, they grieve less for the years they won't have in the future, than for all the years they already had that they didn't live the way they wanted.

I think that's a function of how old you are.

That said, we all have a 'terminal' diagnosis, we just don't think about it. The sooner you get about doing what you're going to do, the better off, and happier, you will be.

[–]johneyapocalypse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a pet theory. When most people get news that they are going to die, they grieve less for the years they won't have in the future, than for all the years they already had that they didn't live the way they wanted.

Interesting theory. My experience has been the exact opposite.

Then again, I'm not prone to regrets.

[–]SKRedPill 25 points26 points  (15 children)

There is a lack of awareness on TRP about old age and how to manage it. It will be good if there's a post on just how men above 50 spend their lives in the West - just to raise awareness of the truth behind the realities of old age. If anything this is why the lonely old man fear still persists. Fear of this drives a lot of people into relationships, and it is totally for nothing if you end up divorced and financially screwed down the road, which is basically dying before your real death if you think about it. At which point if you have any awareness in you, you'll see your fears were imaginary.

So how do old men manage? Who takes care of them when they're sick and can't work?

Btw, in case you're wondering, it's never too old to lift. There was a Dr. Charles Eugester, who became the oldest bodybuilder at 85 and a Sikh guy who's running marathons at 100. Of course, you need a bit of luck that the stroke or the Parkinson's or the heart attack or an accident doesn't hit you - but if you've been lifting well and avoided repetitive stress injuries and kept your joints healthy your old age will be a lot better - I had a grandad who at 82 went for 5 mile walks, did pull ups and dips and had no history of any of the modern diseases, no diabetes, blood pressure, or cancer, no arthritis, not even belly fat (he was below 20% body fat his whole life I think) - well until the Parkinson's hit. Still, his mind was totally fresh till the end. He told me it was his history of exercise that saved him down the road. He didn't get the ending he wanted (which is a quick and painless exit), but hey, he had 82 healthy years.

Regarding death, all fear is just fear of death. Death is just this -- stripping away of everything you've identified with and hung on to. So everyone really only dies alone and in fact there are many 'deaths' that happen before the big one. Death is the ultimate shit test - know how to take that and your confidence can work backwards all the way back to right now.

I am not here to advocate for the right and wrong of anything I haven't experienced myself, but if you're so worried about death, spend some time reading Near Death Experiences, especially the most profound ones. True or not, it will help you mentally conquer fear of dying and die like a champ.

[–]ReformingBeta 65 points66 points  (10 children)

I’m 66 and still working. I get up at 5am every day to get my hour in the gym, then go to work. Been doing the gym thing for 25 years. My life and discipline aren’t much different now at 66 than 10 years ago. Health good. If you discipline yourself when young, you get a huge payoff when you’re old. I have no debt now, and will never take on any more debt. It limits your options. But there are some differences. I used to care about climbing the corporate ladder. Now I don’t give a shit about a corporate career. It seems so meaningless chasing an empty dream. I like the work I do, head stuff, writing, thinking. I have the luxury of being backstopped with a couple of pensions, so if I didn’t want to do it any more, then I’d retire and still have a good income. I don’t think about dying. The other thing that happened to me was a declining interest in sex. I still like sex, but the screaming urgency of my 20’s and 30’s has receded. That means that a woman can’t use sex to control me.

Where Red Pill helped me was through my dark days after my ex-wife blew up our long marriage because she wasn’t happy and fulfilled being married to me. One day I’m living in my family home, and the next I’m in my own condo learning to live alone. So I did what lots of old guys do, seek to replace what I had lost. I wasn’t afraid of dying a lonely old man; I just didn’t want to live alone. It takes time to learn to live alone when you’re old and your passionless wife decides divorce is a nice lottery ticket to cash in. I don’t know why, and I was severely tempted, but I didn’t move a woman in to live with me. I had chances to do that. One thing that stopped me was reading Red Pill and the sidebar material, which kept me sane. Another was a psychologist who counselled me to not live with anyone until I’d know them for at least a year. By then the red flags will be flapping in the wind, and you can’t pretend they aren’t there. I weeded out a few women by just waiting to see who they really were. I still live alone.

I don’t really mind old age, but then I can still do now what I did 20 years ago. Climb a mountain. Cycle all day. I attribute that to sticking to the disciple of daily workouts, eating healthy, and always keep learning. Like I said, I’m now 66, and have so many things I want to learn. But one thing above all, develop the discipline of fitness when you’re younger, and the older you will thank you. I’m glad I stuck with that discipline.

The other thing is learn to dance when you’re younger. The older you will thank you. So when you’re wife of forever, decides forever is a bit too long, you’ve got an activity where you can be with women of all ages. Most women I’ve met are too lazy to practise the discipline of dancing, but they want a man who can dance. I can’t think of any other activity that works so well as a social thing.

I find now that the urgency of living with a woman has faded. I might still do it, but I will be very careful about who I do it with. In the last few years living alone, I’ve found there are some really bad deals out there for men. I carry this thought; there’s something worse than living alone,and that’s six months into living with a woman and realizing I was happier living alone.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This should probably be a post in itself.

[–]uebermacht 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing your life experience! :)

[–]ihopngocarryout 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow! Comments like this is why I love this sub. I really needed to hear this right now. Thanks so much, stranger, for taking the time to write this.

[–]buddhismo_communismo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I do Muay Thai now and am working on tailoring my diet and building a calisthenics bodybuilding program, but I know I will eventually need to make time to learn how to dance Salsa.

[–]nadolny7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You see, older guys like you posting insights on life really helps younger people develop some context of what they should be doing, thank you

[–]bouldurer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amen to dancing! I go every Friday and it's probably the most enjoyable thing in life right now

[–]moustachiooo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Solid gold, super inspirational - hopefully we hear from you more often

[–]ReformingBeta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ll post occasionally as I go along. Comment where Red Pill helped me, and it has helped me a lot. I was told, if lonely, get a dog. There is some truth to that, though I don’t want the responsibility right now. Just don’t expect a woman to be a cure for loneliness.

[–]uebermacht 6 points7 points  (1 child)

[–]SKRedPill 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of that is actually my own post. And this was your reply to it. :)

The thing here isn't time management. It's about old age and facing death. I want to know is how old men really manage about, especially men who've woken up. Fear of death and old age can drive people to get stuck in relationships that they really don't want to have. If that is your fundamental motivation for relationships, this is not a good place to start at.

I once had a fear about living old and alone. But after my marriage disintegrated, I looked around saw a lot of marriages where the wife died before the husband did. I saw a lot of people just barely putting up with each other because to lose that was like death, they ran on the idea that any hold is better than no hold. But life takes its course, and I realized that the insurance I believed in was really a myth and anything could happen - the only way out of that was through.

[–]ApexmanRP 2 points3 points  (1 child)

"It will be good if there's a post on just how men above 50 spend their lives in the West - just to raise awareness of the truth behind the realities of old age."

There's the problem right there.

I am 50, how do i spend my life? On my mission, my business, driving a fats car and fucking a beautiful woman..

WTF do you think i am doing? Dribbling and lying in my own piss? ;-)

If you look after yourself and have a mission and a life you want, 50 is not old.

[–]SKRedPill 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shall I make it over 65 then? Or 70?

[–]Hamenahmenahamena 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Great post man, I’m definitely saving this one. I also heavily suggest anyone reading this comment to read The Denial of Death by Ernest Becker. It’s a psychology/philosophy book that psychoanalyzes how we deal with death and how it influences our life and personality. Great book that will really open your eyes.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Most people only start asking these questions in their latter years, as they get closer to death, the questions of why am I even alive get pushed to the front of the agenda. However grappling with them young brings a lot of perspective to the way you manage your life/time.

Many hope to wake up one day and proclaim "I've got it". I've even heard people tell me it, only to find themselves once again searching soon after. Because life is an ever moving target. There is no euphoric answer that we will wallow in till the end of days. There is only content.

The only meaning I've found that brings content is that there really is no divine meaning. There is only prescribed meaning. And we all need to dispense this prescription for ourselves. Only when we are living on our own terms, can we feel that we are dictating the direction of our own lives, wherever it may take us.

The only thing above and beyond this is our drivers, to eat, to sleep, to fuck. I've found that these in abundance generally satisfy the biological drive of life to continue its cycle.

Eat delicious food, Sleep like a king and fuck like a warlord, but don't be too worried about it.

We are sacks of meat on a rock floating in space with just a blink of time, do with it what you please.

Great Post.

[–]Banjokaz995 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As a 20 year old about to graduate from college was great to be reminded about taking risks in the next few years and to be constantly reminding myself that women should be an addition to an already successful and exciting life. Great post.

[–]uebermacht 6 points7 points  (0 children)

[–]dingleburry_joe 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Fuck man. When I read this i want to focus more on my music and writing. I have no idea how to write a finished song. It’s always stuff I’m passionate about but it’s tough. Living alone and trying to survive on a shitty job. With red pill getting women isn’t a difficulty anymore. I’ve proven that to myself. Trying to achieve your dream is a different story. Good post uncle Vasya. Much needed

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I have no idea how to write a finished song

As it turns out, I write songs.

A. Your first song won't be finished before your 10th song is. That's because you're going to try to put every idea you have into your first song. Once you sort of have it, put the first one down, go fuck 10 other women write 10 other songs, and then return to it.

B. It's not finished where there's nothing left to add; it's finished when there's nothing left to take away.

C. Write the music first, lyrics later.

D. Stick to the Verse-Chorus, Verse-Chorus, Middle 8, Verse-Chorus (or Chorus Verse Chorus) format until you get your shit figured out. You aren't going to start off as "Dream Theater".

E. Jam with everyone you can. Be like a post-WallSPLAT! bitch who desperately wants a husband: don't say "no" to dates. It's like going to the gym and lifting and then going to a different gym and lifting. You're still lifting.

[–]creamymoe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

B. It's not finished where there's nothing left to add; it's finished when there's nothing left to take away.

This said a great deal to me Vasiliy, thankyou.

[–]dingleburry_joe 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Thanks a ton. I was thinking of focusing on starting with some acoustic work with chord progressions just to be able to get something that can work. Your points are a great help. And your right I shouldn’t aim to be Chris Cornell of the bat. Helps me set reasonable goals

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You should really play because it makes you happy. If it doesn't, you should find something else that does.

Anyway, play for at least an hour each day, and once you develop some skill, turn on your radio to an oldies station and play whatever comes on.

Also, practice with a metronome. Your bassists and drummers will thank you.

[–]dingleburry_joe 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Just curious, what makes you most happy/purposeful?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I like writing and performing original music. Performing a piece I've written with musicians who believe in it in front of an audience that is eager to hear it is pure happiness.

I also like traveling, drinking exceptional wines, and shagging young women, although those things are not particularly the "meaning of life". I have a few other hobbies besides that, but I'm afraid they are a bit mundane.

[–]supernaturalsecrets 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Those that believe and are *Alive will NEVER taste death"

Great post by the way!

[–]misterrbro 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Awesome post, I find it to be helpful in current circumstances(a junction in life) thanks.

[–]xrKles 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Post Saved. + I hope to climb Mt. Everest one day. I have more training to do and equipment to save up for.

Edit: Good link as well. I'm going to be applying to medical schools next year, gotta remember not squander my chances by sacrificing my time to women."

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

What have you climbed so far fellow red piller? I've made it to Mt. Rainier, Hvannadalshnúkur, and Kilimanjaro. Let's do it.

[–]xrKles 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Oh nice!! I havent left nor cal much, but so far its Mt. Shasta, Mt. Whitney, some if the 14ers in Colorado, i’m still working on the college, so its usually 1-2 big Mts a summer. I’ve never left the US, but it would be fun do kilimanjaro. Goodluck dude. BTW.. what is your off season training like? How do you stay in shape or work on altitude training during work/school/etc... I have been slacking :/

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'm in TX myself, so not much altitude here. I don't train year round for mountains. I've been powerlifting all year, but ran a marathon last Dec. I'll maybe fit in one last powerlifting competition and then for Mt. Elbrus in June/July 2019 I'll begin training again right as the new year starts to give me at least 6 months. If you haven't already, it is absolutely without a doubt necessary for you to read Training for the New Alpinism: A Manual for the Climber as Athlete and also Mountaineering: Freedom of the Hills (9th edition). Don't bother training until you've read the first book - it will optimize your training. I wasted a lot of time doing anaerobic exercise thinking the higher my heart rate, the more I was getting in shape for the mountain. Boy was I wrong. If you give yourself 6-8 months for things under 20,000ft and at least 12 months for anything over that, you should be fine; don't just use the stairstepper either. Real hiking with a weighted pack trumps all.

[–]xrKles 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Cool! I will give the books a read. I don’t do much weightlifting, but I do practice calisthenics. Marathon is a really good goal!! I used to run in highschool, but have never run a marathon yet. Yea there is no substitue for going outside and just doing the real thing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Just message if you have any mountaineering questions, but sounds like you already have a fair amount of experience, pretty comparable to mine. Aerobic, slow steady state endurance cardio is vital. Conversational pace. I ran at a pace I could talk comfortably for 1 mile, then 2, then 3... next thing I know, I could run for hours on end and feel even better than before I started. You do the same thing with a backpack hiking or climbing up a mountain. When you read the Alpinism book, you'll understand, and you will not only be more prepared, you will FEEL more prepared.

[–]xrKles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice!! I have never really done much training tbh. Its more of a mental game for me, but I know that won’t hold when i move to harder mountains. So my training experience is pretty bad. But i will definitely msg once i get back into the groove of things. Thanks!!

[–]qball43 3 points4 points  (6 children)

With regards to pushing yourself forward, I feel like I’m stuck at a stalemate in my situation. Im looking for some tips or advice from guys who’ve been in my shoes.

I’ve been in the military for about 2 years now, and am 20 yrs old. I workout 5x a week, going to school, read, and train BJJ. Other then that, I don’t know how else to prepare myself for my future. I dislike the military and I’ll be out by the time im 23. What do till then?

I think part of my problem is the military doesn’t fulfill me at all like I thought it would while growing up. There’s no grand ‘meaning’ in here.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Keep doing what you're doing. Try out things in your spare time and see what you love. Time is such a luxury. It's a pity that it's wasted on the young. /s

[–]PhasmaFrank 1 point2 points  (3 children)

What could be a great way to spend young years like 20s? for people who dont have an exact idea of what they want to do or like?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I would start a fitness regimen, and learn Russian, Spanish or Portugese, depending on what type of pussy you like, as well as learn an instrument. I would also read Tim Ferriss' book "The Four Hour Work Week" although he takes things to the extreme because that's his schtick. I'd also learn about running a small business and then doing that, because ownership is what leads to wealth.

[–]PhasmaFrank 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Thanks for the advice. Since very young I have always been involved in sports, so I have a pretty good fitness regimen. I wanted to learn a new language (already have spanish and english) but which language other than english and spanish have pretty good value? Right now i just turned 20 and the thing I have been struggling lately is deciding what I want to do career wise, I would love to choose on a craft and become a master at it.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

French, Russian, Mandarin and Portuguese. That's what I'd go with, but your call.

[–]tmavrodiev 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Just a comment on this:

"So, years ago, I read a news article about a study that I’m too lazy to try and google about how people would rather make $100K if others were making $75K, than $200K if others were making $250K. That sounds dumb to me, because I don’t give a shit about how others are doing."

I've read that article too, and thought about relative happiness a lot. To me it makes perfect, logical sense that it's better to be making less absolutely, as long as you are making more relative to others. It's not only because it affects your happiness and fulfilment on some level, which can't be escaped, but also because it's an objective judgement on the level that you've managed to establish yourself. Making more than others is valuable, because it means your time is more valuable, and therefore you are also more valuable, at least in one dimension. That's the main reason why it's better to be making less absolutely, as long as it's more than others relatively.

Not to mention the simple economic truth that in a world where everyone is making 75k, and you 100k, your 100k gets you farther than 200k would get you in a world where everyone is making 250k. Just due to prices moving up as the mean income moves up, therefore your dollars are worth less in terms of buying power.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

99% of the people answering that question were not thinking about it in the way that you are. They were answering from their "Reptilian Brain". That's the difference.

[–]tmavrodiev 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gotta say man, every time I've talked with others about this, if they disagreed, they'd try to logically convince me that I am wrong. You are the first to simply say that correctness is irrelevant, simply because most people aren't thinking about it like that. It does make a lot of difference when you think about it. That's a good point. Thanks.

[–]richardbransonbutnot 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think i missed something. This was called the end game and claimed to speak on such. The one solid example was Steve Jobs who has 4 kids, and many figurative children. You set up a question, and didn't answer it. I agree with most of what the red pill agrees with, but the whole "die having not contributed to the world" part is a major contradiction to me.

I think if you don't want literal children for whatever reason, you should strive to have figurative children. I'm not saying you can't be happy without, but hell I need a reason to live beyond having fun or I'm fucked.

[–]yammyha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"we're all going to make it"

The motorcycle statement cracked me up. Thank god I'm living the best life of me racing in my 20's before i get to that point

[–]Cloak77 4 points5 points  (1 child)

As someone in a really shitty point in their life, I don’t focus so much on TRP because I figure women aren’t what I need to focus on.

That being said this post helps ease my existential pain through perspective and understanding so thank you. It reminds me that there’s more to TRP then relationships and women, forging a better mindset that tangibly improves your life without being corny or stupidly cliche. Just real.

We need more of this for all the young men who like myself struggle to navigate effectively.

[–]mattyiceheretoentice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TRP is about becoming a better man. The women are a byproduct from building frame and not giving a fuck. You’re on a journey, and if a girl comes along you just keep doing your thing and let her enjoy the ride while she’s a part of it.

[–]HeadingRed 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Talent comes with conditions I've been trying to express that to myself and the women I've been with. Usually takes 1000 words and I still never really expressed or summed it up as good as your four words.


[–]FimbleEnterprises 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've always articulated this concept as, "You only have so many points to spend on your character sheet. You gon' hafta' short something here for greatness there."

Talent comes with conditions is a wonderfully succinct and elegant alternative and I am glad I saw it.

[–]1sezamus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I wish my father would be like you, uncle Vasiliy...

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Being an uncle is generally easier.

This may help:

Things My Father Taught Me: Advice for guys raised by single moms

-Fatherly Wisdom, Distilled.

[–]SenorSwole 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Good post, but who’s to say you can’t chase your dreams and have a good career? You don’t want to be the guy who went to college for a music degree cuz he thought he’d end up a rockstar.

Don’t give up your job security for dreams. Chase both. Money helps to reach dreams.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 20 points21 points  (7 children)

You know, first off, you can write your own post about it.

Second, you're talking to the CEO of CorporateLand. That said, I am not opposed to a hybrid approach; I took one myself. But you have to walk before you can run, and I couldn't do what I did in CorporateLand at 21 the way I could at 35. I will discuss it in a later post. Stay tuned.

You don’t want to be the guy who went to college for a music degree cuz he thought he’d end up a rockstar.

Generally, folks who are pursuing music degrees aren't doing it to go be rockstars. Maybe if you go to Berklee, you have that in mind, I don't know, but anyway, folks who pursue actual careers in music aren't doing it for money. If one does, indeed, go into music to make money then one has extremely poor judgment.

Similarly, guys who play in rock bands to become "rock stars" or worse "to get girls" - although arguably, this is why rock and roll was invented - don't last either. You either play because you love playing music or you give it up after a month or so.

It does remind me of this tale: A man once asked Mozart how to write a symphony. Mozart told him to study at the conservatory for six or eight years, then apprentice with a composer for four or five more years, then begin writing a few sonatas, pieces for string quartets, piano concertos, etc. and in another four or five years he would be ready to try a full symphony. The man said, "But Mozart, didn't you write a symphony at age eight?" Mozart replied, "Yes, but I didn't have to ask how."

[–]SenorSwole 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I’m a business major but I see what you’re saying. On my way to a management MBA to lock down a solid salary. I’m actively pursuing my dreams at the same time, however at this point my degree comes first. The dream thing is like a hobby that I have fun doing in my spare time.

Anyway it looks to me that the hybrid approach is the best approach. That way you don’t put all your eggs in one (very risky) basket.

Looking forward to that post.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

On my way to a management MBA to lock down a solid salary.

That's how they get you. The tyranny of the bi-weekly paycheck.

The dream thing is like a hobby that I have fun doing in my spare time.

Nothing wrong with that, of course. A friend of mine in CorporateLand used to say it was this sort of thing that made me "Three Dimensional" instead of some corporate hack. I suppose he intended that as a compliment.

Anyway it looks to me that the hybrid approach is the best approach. That way you don’t put all your eggs in one (very risky) basket.

Depends on what your goals are. I rather like comfort, I suppose, so I'm not going to be critical, but the point is that it's easy to let the guitar or the skis or whatever gather dust in the corner of the garage.

Looking forward to that post.

Well, I think it's going to be a while and it's going to be more about finding one's mission (although less directly on point, e.g. "Do these three steps and you will know what your 'mission' is" and more about finding it on your own.) I have a bit of a "hybrid" life in CorporteLand by my own construction - most people couldn't do what I do where I do it - but certainly there are people who live more transient lives and do just fine. There's no law requiring anyone to work a 9-5.

[–]Arabian_Wolf 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There's no law requiring anyone to work a 9-5.

I'm 30 years old guy.

I work in stressful healthcare position on shifts for 9 hours, 5 days a week, the pay is decent though.

What are my alternatives for less stressful job with similar pay?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd take that over to AskTRP; I don't know shit about the healthcare biz.

[–]primetine 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Not that this is important to the overall discussion, but contrary to popular belief certain pursuits within the music industry can be quite lucrative, as well as accessible. Not a majority who make six figures, but plenty of us are paid very well to do highly rewarding and exciting work. Great post, btw.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Right, but people on the outside think about being Jimmy Page (without knowing who Jimmy Page is) or Jon Bon Jovi, etc. Money, girls, fame, etc.

[–]primetine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, that certainly happens.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I disagree. People should take chances both at 21 and at 51.

Apart from that, good post.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The chances you take at 51 should be far more calculated. I've been 21 and I've been 51. Trust me on this.

[–]Churningaway 1 point2 points  (1 child)

great post. I was looking for something like this and you hit it right on the head.

Have you all noticed that there is a stark difference between how a red pill awoke man and the blue pill normies regard time?

Your typical blue pill normie has bought in to the feminine imperative hook line and sinker regarding time. My friends started scrambling to find "the one" in their early/mid 20's and are now all mostly married off with mediocre jobs and mediocre wives. This is very similar to how women regard time. They know their biological time clock is ticking fast, the blue pill of time means you follow the womans insane drumbeat: Married at 25, house in the burbs at 28, 1.5 kids by 33, minivan soccer mom/dad life by 40. It's a terrible trap to fall in because quickly your entire life energy is siphoned off.

A red pill awoke man thinks of time with an abundance mentality (still knowing that he will one day die), there are no hard time rules on when and why he makes a decision. He makes a decision on his own terms. Lives life boldly. Loves boldly. And finally, when every force in the universe finally overwhelms him, dies on his feet as a free man. Life well lived.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Have you all noticed that there is a stark difference between how a red pill awoke man and the blue pill normies regard time?

That's because they're just waiting to die.

[–]greatamericancities 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you still fear death, as I do, it can be a useful motivation. This one is from Castaneda:

"The issue of our death is never pressed far enough. Death is the only wise adviser that we have. Whenever you feel, as you always do, that everything is going wrong and you're about to be annihilated, turn to your death and ask if that is so. Your death will tell you that you're wrong; that nothing really matters outside its touch. Your death will tell you, I haven't touched you yet."

[–]Blue_Fix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post man. I also share the belief that nothing I want is impossible if I take the right steps to achieve it and I'm also well into the process of getting out of my comfort zone but one thing I feel like I lack is a sense of urgency and your comments about death seem like that is where the solution is.

Do you have any guidance to give on what questions to meditate on, what to imagine or what to do to evoke your sense of mortality? I feel like we spend so much time trying to shut out this uncomfortable feeling that actually accessing it can become difficult.

I've done some thinking on the subject and I have developed my own views but I'd like to take them out of the abstract and make it play a concrete role in my life.

[–]Rollo_Mayhem3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I promise I won’t quote “The Shawshank Redemption”. That would be too much.

That being said, the title of the post could be a quote from Redemption, and that is "get busy living or getting busy dying.." I think that sums your post up nicely, feel free to add it in~!

[–]civilizedfrog 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another great post by Uncle Vasiliy. Your post always motivates me to do things.

[–]hb8only 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The time to take chances is when you are 21, not 51.

don't make limiting beliefs...

[–]Lateralanouncer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post and people saying you will die alone etc is a form of male shaming And beta conditioning. I personally love being alone and I think it is an important part of a red pill life style. I get to do what I want when I want. The only con I can think of is sex is not on tap.

[–]buddhismo_communismo 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Can I still afford to take chances if I'm 29?

[–]Churningaway 6 points7 points  (1 child)

You're just getting started

[–]Alphalizard1990 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We must all suffer one of 2 things the pain of discipline or the pain of regret, everyone one day will face the same choice.

[–]Ezaar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Watch out for your corn hole.”

[–]Brokebeast101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my 20's I decided to quit my job, sell my shit and hike the Appalachian Trail. Completely ruined my normal life. Living comfortable out of a 20 pound backpack changes your priorities a little.

I didn't do it for any other reason beyond a burning need in my soul for adventure.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This has to be one of the most amazing things I've ever read on TRP - and that was before you mentioned Everest. I already live by this post - Everest is my absolute top bucket list and I really don't give a shit what I do as long as I complete that. I've already climbed 3 mountains, 2 that are over 14,000ft. I'm coming for you. I'm saving this and whenever I get that anxiety for the next climb I'll be reading it.

[–]bouldurer 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I have a question for you, I'm 27 and I'm having to support my parents financially because they didn't save enough for retirement. I feel like they're shackling me down in terms of the risks I can take in life.

Feels like having a child without actually having a child...

[–]Agrees_withyou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've got a good point there.

[–]Youngyoda89 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hey unc,

You repeat yourself often. Which is good, imo, shows consistency. But I wonder- what’s an example of something you say when you do think- what’s the most fucked up approach I can do and still get laid?

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You repeat yourself often.

New guys join all the time.

what’s the most fucked up approach I can do and still get laid?

Years ago, I saw a girl in a "Superman" t-shirt, and I opened with "Hey, Supergirl...I've read all your books." She thought it was funny.

[–]Youngyoda89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand. I’m not criticizing just observing. I’ve gotten myself to the point where I’m going to start doing this. Bc I really don’t care about the outcome, irl, and I just wanna see what works.

Next time I see a hot 24 yr old I’ll ask myself. What would uncle Vaasa do? Trust me, I am one of your internet sons who actually makes you proud sir.

[–]johneyapocalypse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see a lot of conjecture in this thread.

Still can't find anyone commenting who has stared death in the eyes and is speaking from experience.

I was given a death sentence, so I understand its implications pretty well.

OP, you got one thing completely right, and it's this:

With the end of the Fear of Death begins the Death of Fear.

[–]xytrooo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

when you are older you are older.

you just loose social poower health and put into high expectations from society that are typically not rewarding.

the only 'end game' that I think even remotely attacks this issue is investing/advocating/sonating to SENS or other longevity programs, as many billionaires already do since about 2015

Do you honestly think that running old man game or having a family 2.0 kind of arrangement (even if you made sure the girl is top notch and everything is more careful) will help you when you still have social needs and are over 50? let alone the quality of your days and your beliefs about your place in the world?

the only other way to "insulate" against aging is becoming some sort of a monk and having relative economic independence. but this is something only 1% of you will ever accomplish to any meaningful degree.

so what if I wouldn't age? what if I looked like this 52 year old korean photographer? (google)

I'd just live my life as a typical young male , and try to develop myself spiritually and keep pace socially while giving value to others.

there is no end game, the end game is the imprint you leave on the world. which is almost pointless for 99.9% of people and is directly at odds with their social needs.

[–]EdmondDaunts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was something I read recently about what your purpose is. What do you pass on? Obviously genetics is the first as that is preprogrammed into our cells. But knowledge and legacy are also there. An idea can last generations. As can a good tune or a piece of art.

[–]Loze1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP, I'm trying to get my life to somewhat resemble Office Space right now. The beginning would be a level up for me but the end is where I see myself after a few years somehow...

[–]destruct_zero -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Probably because they got married and their wives nagged them into getting jobs down at the lumberyard or the tool and die and they didn’t do anything cool like INVENT THE FUCKING AIRPLANE. That’s why you’ve never heard of them.

I keep seeing posts like this with the premise of 'live the life you want', which then go on to define success as achievement within society's framework. It's a weird kind of contradictory early-stage nihilism to be motivated in such a way by meaninglessness.

Also such an argument can be used to justify literally anything.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

which then go on to define success as achievement within society's framework.

I was defining it from Orville and Wilbur's framework. Also, it's handy to use such an example when one is trying to convey a broad concept to a larger group. So there's that.