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Field ReportRSD Bootcamp - Review and Field Reports (self.TheRedPill)

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Some background:

For those of you who are unfamiliar, RSD (Real Social Dynamics) is a PUA company who has a very unique...brand. They are red-pilled, but pretty cult-like and by in large are in their own weird little place. They have an effective marketing strategy and their content is very hit or miss. RSD hit their prime around 2010-2014 in my opinion, but since then have been in a gradual decline. Some of their older content is pure gold, but their newer stuff is just gimmicky BS.

My friend who lives in LA signed up for Owen Cook's bootcamp, but asked me if I would like to take his place. He offered to fly me out and I figured there was no reason to say no. However, with the rise of dating apps like Tinder/Bumble, I haven't actually done sober cold approaches in close to two years, and I knew I'd struggle a lot. I also was a bit uncomfortable with the idea of a bootcamp due to RSDs cult-like mentality, but I figured I had nothing to lose.

The following is a review of the program itself and a field report for each time I went out. We were scheduled to meet from 10pm-2am on Thur/Fri/Sat as well as a 2pm-6pm on Fri/Sat/Sun afternoon for day game. We ended up staying out every night until about 3am (clubs closed at 2am and we’d do street game/debriefs after).

I hadn’t the faintest idea what I would be getting myself into. I haven't been a part of the RSD community for years, after Alex and Todd left and the whole Julian fiasco I rapidly began to distance myself from them. At several points I tried rewatching their videos but I found them to be gimmicky clickbait marketing BS. While some of their older content is pure gold, you will have to sift through a lot of BS to find it. Owen is particularly bad about this, in his 1-3 hour videos he may only talk about a few things that are truly insightful and meaningful. The rest mostly sounds like the inane ramblings of a narcissist with hypomania and ADD/quasi-autism.

But I digress. I am mainly here to talk about my own experiences and observations about the bootcamp in the most unbiased and objective way I possibly can. For the most part, I went into the bootcamp with an open mind and non-judgmental attitude.

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Field Report: Thursday Night

Our initial group meeting was at a restaurant on the Santa Monica pier. In addition to Owen, there were two primary instructors who would be doing most of the work, as well as three assistants. Including myself there were eight students, which brought our group to a total of of fourteen people. The student to staff ratio was decent enough.

We walk to the Santa Monica peer and give in depth introductions and discuss our game level and goals with Owen. We seem to have a good mix of people of different skill levels and personalities, and most of the students were pretty cool. At about 11pm we head into our first venue just off the pier called The Bungalow, which is the name implies, is a former bungalow home converted into a club. It felt very much like a house party with a bar service. There was a ping pong and pool table, two indoor bars, and an unobstructed outdoor patio with a bar as well. Here are a couple of photos to give you an idea. 1 2

We were split into different groups with two or three students per coach. There was no structure or organization beyond that. Within minutes of entering, everyone was off doing their own thing and it felt like I was lone wolfing the experience. I was struggling to open at first, and there were a few times where I felt quite uncomfortable and self-conscious. The club was in actuality not very large, and I made the mistake of continually walking around hesitating and not taking action. I met up with my instructor who essentially advised me to get into social flow state by having brief interactions with several people as I walked around. He said it can be as simple as a high five or saying hi. His thought process was to pump yourself up by recognizing that taking action, no matter how small, was a win for you, and the wins will begin to stack up and get you in a good state.

This was reasonable advice, although I would quickly learn that wasn’t quite my style, I would later learn it was more effective for me to act more natural ie take in the scenery (not “value scanning”), but just being more intentional and deliberate about the actions I take. I do think that he was on the right track though, which is to say that when you’re not in state, you should lower the bar for yourself and not psych yourself out by setting unrealistic expectations.

Later on, I ended up talking with one girl that one of the assistants pointed out, who appeared to be from southeast Asia, though she told me was a mix of various ethnicities. I talked with her for a good while, and she seemed oddly engaged, physically and conversationally, despite me not really doing much. One of her friends even came over and basically gave me the approval and said I was handsome enough to take her home, or something to that effect. I was pretty surprised because my game was actually pretty shit that night. After talking with her for about 15-20 minutes, some dude (not a student) I met earlier that night came up to me and told me there was something he had to tell me. He informed me that the girl and her friends were actually trannies. His friend had actually kissed one of them and was beating himself up over it. I guess they found out by someone else telling them. In hindsight it wasn’t that surprising – even though I didn’t see an adams apple, their voices and general body language just seemed slightly off in a way I couldn’t quite put my finger on. I sort of brushed it off and laughed about it.

I remember that for the most part, the rest of the night had a lot of ups and downs. As long as I was taking action and not walking around hesitating, I felt alright. If I did particularly well in an interaction, I walked away feeling confident. However, this feeling was very fleeting. Within a short amount of time, I would lose the momentum and once again start to get self conscious and hesitant. The night generally progressed like this until the last part, where approached a blonde Irish girl who I talked with for the rest of the night. It wasn't a particularly sexual vibe however, despite some occasional teasing and light physical contact. I did not escalate very far even though I'm pretty certain I could have made out with her at a few points. It ended up with a number close and that was it for the night.

That was the first night I did sober cold approaching in probably almost two years, so I wasn't expecting anything amazing. Plus, it was a Thursday night. Overall I did about as good as I could have hoped for. I think my main issue was being too self-conscious. I found the large crowds and small size of the venue to be a bit intimidating. I think my other problem was being too hesitant in my actions, which caused me to wander around and get increasingly apprehensive about my next approach, instead of simply doing it without thinking.

As far as my general thoughts for the bootcamp itself… I found it to be quite unorganized. I did not see most of the other students or staff for most of the night. Occasionally I would run into my assigned instructor for the night and he would help me take action, but other than that I was sort of left to my own devices. I would have liked to have an established spot in the club for us to regroup, see some demonstrations, and have some sort of game plan.

Field Report: Friday Night

Friday night we went to a venue in downtown LA called Clifton's Republic, which is a three-storied bar/restaurant with a central dancefloor surrounded by balconies on 2nd and 3rd floor. The second floor also had a live band performing in a large room opposite to the balcony. There were also some quieter and more chill areas like this, where it was obviously a lot easier to open.

This night overall was a lot harder for me than the first night. I started the night feeling quite confident and ready, but that feeling didn’t last too long. We were supposed to meet at 10pm, and upon arriving I realized almost one else was there yet. Eventually I ran into two other students who were casually talking to one girl in a big mixed set. I followed them to the third floor bar as they opened a set of three women. I almost said nothing in the first set beyond introductions and said literally nothing during the second set. I don’t particularly like big sets, I didn’t get along too great with one of the other students, and I didn’t like the women at all, and so I felt uncomfortable. Eventually I left and did a couple of quick opens on my own, which I should have done from the start.

A few of us finally meet up with one the instructors who suggested we do the same thing as last night – simply walk through an area and starting small – saying hi, complimenting, adding some sort of value, whatever. The idea again is to get yourself in a flow state where you stop thinking and build momentum by continually taking action and recognizing each action as a win. I did not like this approach at all this time, and I could tell one of the other students didn’t either. We did this for a while and eventually started splitting up again amid the chaos. That particular instructor spent most of the night in the center dance floor area, and may have been helping other students, though I don’t know for sure.

The first half of the night was brutal, really. I hardly did any approaches and the ones I did went poorly. I ran into the problem of walking around and not taking action, which would make the next approach even harder from the constant decision fatigue that results in backing out of doing various potential approaches. Even though it was frowned upon to drink, I eventually caved and bought a double order of Jameson. I downed it in about 10 seconds and the rest of the night went a lot better. It was just enough to take the edge off without making me feel sloppy.

At one point shortly after the drink I approached a mixed set (2 girls, 1 guy) and was chatting with the two girls for about 5 or 10 minutes until I told them what sort of work I do (affiliate marketing/SEO) and they said their guy friend was trying to get into the same thing. I ended up talking with him for about 10 minutes about SEO and other topics and that actually pumped me up more than talking to the two women.

I had a very similar experience the last time I was at XS in Vegas earlier this year -- where after having a very deep and meaningful conversation with my friend, I felt a lot more social and confident than I would have felt after superficial conversation with some vapid basic bitch. Shortly the conversation with my friend at XS, a hot brunette walked by me and I stuck out my hand and pulled her in with zero hesitation, and was one of the best opens I had done in a long time.

Anyway, I find it a little amusing/peculiar that intellectually stimulating conversation (which is always with men) actually gets me more excited than flirting with some girl. I think that was actually the most important lesson I learned that night: talking to men can be just as important as talking to women, at least indirectly for pumping your state and becoming more social.

In general, the night had a lot of ups and downs just like the previous, especially the first half. At one point I had actually considered walking out, though after having that drink things went a lot better. I found that many of the interactions I had went a lot better than the previous night, there was one girl in particular who was definitely into me and may have even gone home with me. But at one point she accused me of “mansplaining” and lost interest. If this was a shit test I was completely unprepared for it. I tried to tell this to the other instructor and he didn’t know what that was, nor did one of the other students. It’s funny that the radical left/feminists think this is a mainstream concept when in fact most people have never even heard the term.

Anyway. While I was alone for a good portion of the night, in the 2nd half I started running into some of the other instructors/assistants/students who helped wing in mixed sets. The other main instructor was some dude Russia who had short blonde dreads on one side. He had a very different style than the previous instructor who was a tall skinny black dude with huge feather earrings. The Russian instructor seemed more focused on practical game, such as making sure I was squared off and directly facing someone if I talked to them, or making myself look less serious by using light humor and being more playful, which he stated is something he had struggled with as well. I don’t remember much else of what he said but he actually followed me and another student for a while and watched our sets and gave us feedback as we did them, which I found helpful.

The rest of the night was more or less the same stuff. Some solo approaches, some mixed sets with instructors/assistants/other students. Nothing particularly noteworthy happened for the last hour or so. As the club closed, we did some street game which was pretty much a shit show for everyone. One of the instructors (the black one) told me to go approach a some tall blonde girl who was with a guy. The guy threatened to knock me out after doing so, which wasn’t the first time that’s happened. I wasn’t particularly affected by it but he made a big deal out of it and saying I should have made a light joke or something instead of walking away. After doing more street game, we had another debrief and we all went home around 3 or so.

Field Report: Sat Afternoon

By this point I should specify that I’m from the midwest and was getting pretty bad jet lag at this point. We had stayed out until 3am the previous two nights, not actually getting to bed until 4am, which for me basically meant I was going to bed at 7am. To make it worse, I was only getting a few hours of sleep. I was pretty exhausted Saturday. We had made plans to do daygame at the Bungalow again from 2pm to 6pm, which I was not looking forward to.

I decided to circumnavigate this handicap by drinking a lot of coffee and taking a modest dose of a stimulating strain of kratom. My mood was actually fairly peculiar that day. The stimulants made me feel awake and engaged with the world but my mental fatigue sort of shut off that overly analytical and critical part of my mind, so I felt good.

Upon arriving in the Bungalow, I was pretty shocked. It was even more crowded than it was Friday night, there were more women, and the women were all 7s or above. I am not exaggerating when I say that some of the hottest girls I’ve seen in LA were all there. And despite the fact that it was the daytime, I found myself able to start opening quickly and without much difficulty. The first few approaches I did were all two sets, and they lasted at least 5 minutes. The last one went a little poorly at the end when I said something about her eyelashes looking weird or something, but otherwise they went fairly well. The atmosphere was very relaxed and I got the impression that most of the women either hadn’t been approached or weren’t expecting to get approached much. It was also less loud so I was able to do more chill relaxed game which is far better for my style.

After doing 4-5 opens I started to feel quite overwhelmed, however. As I had stated before, the strategy that my instructor had tried to get us to do where we focus on doing rapid, brief interactions seemed pretty ineffective for me. After doing several opens almost back to back, I found myself feeling like I was redlining. The place was also getting very packed and I felt the need to go for a walk or something. I actually walked around the block to get more coffee, and that helped re energize me a lot. On my way back to the club, near the entrance a legit 9.5/10 girl said something to me about my coffee as I walked past her, and I ended up sticking with her for a while before going in. Some dude walked past us commenting on her appearance, asking if she was my girl. This at least told me that our body language must not have looked too platonic, so I was probably doing something right with her.

I couldn’t really keep her attention once all her big group of friends wanted to go in. I would later see her inside the club a few times, though I never tried reengage her since she was literally always getting hit up by some guy. I did a few more solo approaches, and the last one was another two set where two other students would later join in. One of the girls was kind of a bitch to them and left with her friend, annoyed about something they said. As she left she stated that she liked me because I was nice, which I jokingly said I was insulted by. At that point I felt pretty fried and walked to the pier to relax, at that point it was past 6 and I decided to leave and go eat dinner and change.

I learned a couple of big lessons from this. The first one is something I had been realizing from the previous two days, and this day established it even more in my head. I learned that I RAPIDLY lose state in between sets. Even if the sets go well, I end up feeling like I need to recharge afterwards for a while. This is especially true when you're sober, alcohol seems to act like a social lubricant which prevents you from losing momentum quickly. This was particularly true today, where at many points I felt like I was overexerting myself in a sense, and blowing myself out mentally. I find lifting weights to be an apt analogy – especially powerlifting – if you’re lifting heavy, it’s imperative to rest inbetween sets otherwise the next set will not be at 100% capacity, or worse you may injure yourself.

I should also mention at this point that none of the instructors were actually there that day. So basically everything I did was solely of my own volition. This brings me to my second point – I learned that I do not need others to motivate me or wings to help me – I can do this on my own and ultimately that’s all that matters. This was by far the best experience I had during the entire bootcamp, despite not getting makeouts or numbers, I genuinely had fun and took a lot of action.

I also learned was that kratom + coffee is a social wonderdrug.

Field Report: Sat Night

This isn’t going to be so much a field report as it a report on my experiences with Owen Cook of RSD. We had a debrief at 10:30pm at a club in Santa Monica called Victorian. I won’t bother describing this club though because other than the debrief, I didn’t spend a single moment in the club the entire night.

The previous two days I had seen very little of him as I had not been assigned with him yet. This night he took me and two other students to go outside. At this point it was close to 11pm. He started out talking about some sort of marketing strategy in which you slowly get someone interested in you by offering high value stuff for free, whereby you increasingly charge more for each tier of product/service as you lure the customer in more and more. He said this was how RSD operates – free tours and tons of free content on Youtube, and eventually people end up spending $3000 to take a bootcamp.

He then talked about how Instagram has been a game changer for him. Instead of having to keep track of various women texting him and trying to remember all their names and faces, he simply uses his Instagram to get a constant funnel of women investing and chasing in him with very little effort on his part. He says that his IG is mostly women and he gets them interested by inviting them to party at his Hollywood Hills villa (which was pretty dope btw). I had to infer this part myself, but I think he was basically saying is that when women see his IG, this gets them hamstering and shows them that he’s a high value man in high demand, or something to this effect. You have to understand that this guy is a bit crazy with some intense ADD, hypomania, and almost psychotic behavior, and it’s hard to follow his train of thought. But for the most part he spend something close to 2 hours talking about something that could have been explained in two minutes. As it was nearing 1am I realized we would likely have very little time to do anything in the club.

Once he finished his speech/lecture, he finally started opening. This is what really blew me away. This is when I realized he truly was one of the greatest PUAs of our time. He approached almost every girl that walked by, some even came up to him. One of the craziest ones he did is going up to a Spanish couple who looked quite closed off, started speaking to them in fluent Spanish, and ended it with a group hug with both of them, with them both leaving looking happier than they were in the start.

This part is a little fuzzier for me because I was quite exhausted, and I apologize for not remembering it more clearly. But this was quite a sight to behold, it was simply astonishing. If you watch his infield videos, they'll give you an idea. For the skeptics out there, he's legit. He must have gotten 20 different girls added on his IG in a very short amount of time. Most of them seemed very interested in him. It wasn’t just the fact that almost every girl liked him, it was the fact that he approached EVERYONE. It didn’t matter if it was a mixed set of two girls and two guys, he would approach them and simply befriend the guys. But I think the most astonishing is how effective he was at it all. It seemed almost flawless, and he seemed to be able to draw these women towards him almost effortlessly. You could tell this was a guy who perfected this art over many many years.

Eventually he started pushing us to do some approaches, which went more or less okay but nothing particularly noteworthy happened. By the time we started approaching it was past 2am and we were mostly dealing with girls who were more interested in food and ubers than getting hitup by some guy. Eventually the night fizzled down and we had a long debrief once again. We all went our separate ways and said our goodbyes. I felt completely exhausted and it was a fairly intense night overall. I just wish I had more to say about Owen’s game, but it was nothing short of magic. His infield videos are not faked, I was there to bear witness to it in person. Go watch them if you're curious.

Final Thoughts:

I certainly don't think the bootcamp was worth anywhere near $3000, maybe a couple hundred at best. The severe lack of organization/structure and planning made it annoying for me. There was very little live feedback and demonstrations, and I didn't find the debriefs to be particularly useful either. But since it was all free (except for all the damn uber rides), it was worth doing. It reminded me how challenging and rewarding cold approach can be. And getting to see a master PUA work his magic was also pretty mesmerizing, this guy is truly one of the best PUAs of our time.

The main thing I took out of this is that I don't need RSD or anyone else to push me. I was effectively alone for good chunks of the nights and I was able to approach purely of my own volition, despite not doing solo/sober cold approach in a long time. You don't need to read PUA books or learn game to pickup women, ultimately it comes down to simply taking action and being willing to recognize where you fucked up. I didn't really learn anything from this bootcamp to be honest. Tyler's pep talk was mostly nonsense and bragging about the women he talked about. I wouldn't even be able to tell you what I was able to learn from seeing him in action other than the fact that he has mastered the craft in his own unique style.

The bootcamp also decreased my interest in using dating apps. While they do help you learn things like handling logistics, LMR, etc, all they really do is help you get laid, which in my opinion is more of a side effect of pickup, not the goal. There is something about cold approach in particular that can be life changing. It is one of those disciplines which features meta-skills that can be applied to other areas of your life.

But again, I think it's important to remember that getting women should never be the primary goal of your life. Pickup often seems to pedestalize women and make people think that getting laid will make you happy. It won't. A meaningful and purposeful life is the only life worth living. And if you only focus on getting laid, you'll soon realize that blowing a load in a wet hole is doing nothing to improve the quality of your life.

In short, the point of pickup not to get laid - it is to push yourself out of your comfort zone and recognize your weaknesses and strengths. Pickup can serve as a catalyst for transformation.


[–]modTheRedPike[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Quick mod note here: I agree with the reports we got on this thread so please keep doing that. However sometimes the comments are the mustard we want on the sandwich. Please read through the whole thread--there is some good stuff here.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 104 points105 points  (20 children)

I read the entire field report. Upvoted because its rare to see a field report here that I actually believe happened as written. Most of them are grossly exaggerated or outright false.

PUA is fools gold. I've never subscribed to the ideology. I've watched RSD videos in the past, they are right for the wrong reasons and wrong for the right reasons. Hard to explain but basically they are tricking you into thinking pulling women is some kind of 12 step process. Pulling women is 100% frame.

That's why I believe so many are set up to fail in club settings. Clubs are not for everyone. I hate them. Red pill: Most women interacting with men in clubs already know the men, and most likely came with them. Strangers meeting each other in clubs and hooking up is not as common as you think. I think there are far better places to run night game with strangers than clubs.

Frame is everything. Your height, weight, muscularity, body language, facial expressions, attire, movement, all of it. That's why Owen had the success he had. He has a frame that owns the room and attracts women to him. It's not about what he does inside, its what he did to build up his frame. He also doesn't have to fake it. I think fake it till you make it is shitty advice, because women can smell fake from a mile away.

[–]ElegantCyclist 18 points19 points  (4 children)

women interacting with men in clubs already know the men, and most likely came with them. Strangers meeting each other in clubs and hooking up is not as common as you think

The best description I have read is An Introduction and Major Misconception about Party "Club" Game. It is somewhat old but matches my experiences (also somewhat old by now).

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Trying to pick up girls via 'cold approach' at nightclubs is the LEAST efficient, logistically convenient and lowest probable way to GET LAID.

Picking up (or just meeting) girls at PRE-PARTIES and AFTER-PARTIES is the MOST efficient, logistically convenient and highest probable way to GET LAID.

Girls will be leaving the nightclub with the same group they came with for a preplanned after-party.

And there it is. Couldn't have said it better myself.

I got back from Las Vegas a few weeks ago. You don't meet women at the bars/clubs. You meet them during the day, or late at night, in the hotel lobby, on the casino floor, at the pool during the day, at In n Out Burger, at Lake Mead, etc. then you make plans with them to go out.

I met some girls at a cliff jumping spot outside the city, I met some girls at the bowling alley at 3 in the morning at South Point, I met some girls at a Video Poker machine at Four Queens. Not at a bar. Not at a wild pool party. Not at a club.

[–]Zech4riah 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But for most of guys especially in the smaller countries and cities, the nigh club game is 95% of the time the only option.

Yes there is parties in social circle but parties with good looking single women is rare after you finish up studies and transition to "adult" work life.

I rarely meet new attractive women through my social circles and when I do, I actually meet them usually via my MLTRs so can't exactly game then.

But I don't mind, typical NG at clubs works for me. Of course it would be great to meet new hot girls via pre-parties every weekend but that's really rare unless you know celebrities etc.

PS. And yeah, I agree that many men know the girls they are interacting with and especially girls around age 18-24 are usually with big mixed social groups in the club which makes gaming them a lot harder.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I met some girls at a cliff jumping spot outside the city

This is perfect, no? Esp. if you're athletic, the adventurous angle of cliff jumping is great fun, good for getting the juices going. I love wilderness backpacking, but next summer I'll be a lot more focused on good party camps.....hell, I think it would be fun to write a guidebook to all the best party camps in CO!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is somewhat old but matches my experiences (also somewhat old by now).

Same here....on both counts!

GLL also had a piece where he described his frustration at how his buddy Skotty would pull just about every woman he opened....turns out Skotty would only open women he got that ultimate IOI from, strong eye contact, which comes from frame exactly as mallardcove defined it above.

[–]UnleashYourLife 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Despite PUA being fools gold, you're most likely using a lot of their techniques and teachings. Sure some of it is crap, heck a lot of it is crap, but somewhere in that sea of fecal matter there are teachings that should be measured in gold. What I'm trying to say here is that there's a reason why TRP preaches PUA concepts.

Yes Frame is everything, but how do you get it in the first place? You think you can just convince yourself one day that your frame is gonna be harder than fucking diamonds? Yea sure. You develop frame by putting yourself out there, by getting burned, by acquiring experience, by doing pickup.

Lastly, women do not have superpowers. If all those people learned how to lie convincingly ala Politicians sitting in the Congress, they'd be getting pussy left and right.

[–]latinasonly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

experiences for me are the cornerstone of frame. no matter what someone tells you , if you have had the right experiences, then you KNOW you are the ALPHA in alpha fucks,beta bucks, you know you are a popular person, you know you are one tough motherfucker

[–]BurnoutRS 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Most PUA literature is about projecting the illusion of being a High Value Male. TRP is focused on actually becoming one. However there is significant overlap where both fields are concerned, especially when you consider that it's from the PUA scene that the idea of Game emerged and from there came the Red Pill.

PUA was a surface level understanding. It follows the same cycle as every other school of knowledge does. At first we notice surface interactions, we observe a thing happening, then we come to experimentation, we play with that phenomena and find we can effect and alter it. then, we ask why?

addendum

It's also worth noting that any business that wants to continue to operate in todays world needs to kowtow at least somewhat towards the feminine imperative. Wherever men colonize, women follow and feminize. Someone said that to me in a post a while back, forget who. The cutting edge of TRP, the newest insights, the harshest truths, are so insanely different from what is commonplace, that you alienate a lot of your prospective buyers by going full RP. also lets not forget how shitty a business model it would be to sell all of your secrets in one seminar or book. The wisest master only teaches the final lesson when it is time for him to die, lest the student, no longer needing tutelage, kill him early and take his place. Said otherwise, you make a whole lot more money by diluting TRP, mixing in PUA shit and then smoothing it out enough to only incur a manageable amount of feminist backlash

[–]Lambdal7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's simply not true.

Most redpillers here are stuck with 2005 PUA while nowadays PUA focuses on 60% inner game and 40% outer game only.

[–]monkey_fonics69[S] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Yeah I do agree that PUA is mostly bullshit. Way too much gimmicky, overanalytical "gamey" nonsense that ultimately does not matter. Frame and outcome independence really are all that matter in the end.

Most of my success with cold approach was street game. I've always hated clubs too. I hate the shitty music, overpriced drinks, hot and humid air, and the tinnitus inducing loudness. I think daygame is a much more viable option for the average person, especially in a place like Times Square where there is endless foot traffic.

I think fake it till you make it is shitty advice, because women can smell fake from a mile away.

I think it's shitty advice in general. But it's especially true for pickup. Women are can intuit your emotions and intentions very well. You simply can't fake that shit. That's why many PUA tactics simply don't work. My best approaches were actually in the very beginning before I discovered pickup and game. Once all that shit fills your head all it does is make you overanalyze everything and become socially autistic.

[–]UnleashYourLife 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't sell PUA as short as you and Mallard did.

A lot of guys overestimate a woman's ability to smell lies and deception. Believe me when I say this: They are not that good. The problem lies not in a woman's "great ability to smell lies", it lies in a man's ability to lie convincingly. If all those people preaching wymen's superpowers could lie like the fucking Politicians sitting in the Congress, they'd be laying chicks right and left.

As for Frame and Outcome Independence, how the heck do you get them in the first place? You think you can have a titanium frame without first experiencing picking up a couple of chicks or spinning a couple of plates? What about outcome independence, if you have yet to fuck a solid 9? Good luck without having at least some knowledge about game.

There's a reason why PUA techniques are an integral part of TRP. Yea it's true that a lot of PUA crap, but same can be said about pretty much everything else, including TRP. Learn to find the gold nuggets in the seas of shit.

[–]Caleb666 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The question is... where do you take the woman you met during day game? You end up at some bar anyway, no?

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 1 point2 points  (2 children)

When I go out I can spot the fake alphas and PUAs from a mile away. They think they are so smooth and outgoing and all of that but in reality its pathetic. If I can pick up on it, women definitely can.

[–]redvelvet_oreo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why are you even wasting time checking these people out though? Who gives a fuck. If that helps people pull women so be it. It takes time to get good at things. That's why it takes dozens of approaches before your actually comfortable doing it unless your just a natural extrovert.

[–]latinasonly 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes , novices at game are dead giveaways - they pine for a girls attention who is clearly not interested, try to hard for rapport, talk too fast, etc. i have only once ever ran into other amateurs of pickup, but I see guys spitting bad game at college parties all the time.

I will say - once upon a time me and my friends were these same types of beginner PUA guys. game has a rather steep learning curve. we never paid anything to learn game . I will say RSD Julien is a fucking legend. I very much enjoy his infield videos, and have learned a slick line or two form him ;)

[–]Aroundwork 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah this is gold, thank you

[–]gbdoragnic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> PUA is fools gold.

No, it works, it's red pill, but without the biological explanation, PUA don't care how it works or why it works, it just works , the red pill tries to rational explain it on a egoistical level, PUA is more of a art form anyway, but men who hate men in themselves will virtue signal and put it down.

> That's why Owen had the success he had. He has a frame that owns the room and attracts women to him.

Your regurgitating blue pill, a frame that owns the room, ? that is what we are all suppose to do? Owen had success because he is connected and just being himself.

> I think fake it till you make it is shitty advice, because women can smell fake from a mile away.

You mean you are so nervous you don't want to go on a date, but you put your best effort in it, you try anyway, you have a good time, you make it fun, you enjoy the night, if you aren't having fun, you make it fun, you try your best.

> That's why I believe so many are set up to fail in club settings. Clubs are not for everyone.

True, but club game has it's methods

[–]DVidojkovic 9 points10 points  (2 children)

You can torrent RSD tutorials which are up for sale on their website(I think). I have Max's project "The Natural" and Tyler's "Blue Print Decoded". I also have "Project Go" which is SimplePickup's project. My brother claims they are efficient, while I decide to stick to TRP, until I don't see much improvement regarding my game. At the end of the day women aren't a MUST to my mission and my sole purpose as a human being.

[–]drakehfh -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Can you PM me the torrent links?

[–]DVidojkovic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can find them on TPB proxy websites.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 33 points34 points  (5 children)

While it's easy to hate on PUAs I'm going to jump in here and preempt some of that. First it's not that PUAs got worse it's that a lot of us have grown out of their target demo.

Next let's talk about the money thing is 3k worth it? A lot of dudes and a lot of dudes here have an obsessive girl neurosis especially the lookism incel crew. If that problem can be solved conclusively (where it exists) then yea is worth it.

let's also acknowledge that there has been a cultural shift in the past 5 years where college age women have in effect adopted Radical Feminist position of the 1970 all sex is rape etc. This has really poisoned the well especially in blue States. Not only does the bitch shield still exist there is also an ideology shield.

Finally let's acknowledge how the smart phone has made girl's florescent screen retarded. That problem didn't exist in the flip phone days (fuck me I'm old)

All of these wet blankets threaten their business model.

[–]ElegantCyclist 7 points8 points  (4 children)

It's RSD that may be the problem. Per Krauser:

I have nothing to say about Todd. He’s a mediocre daygamer. I gave him a shot by watching his RSD Daygame video product. That had a $500-ish price tag and it’s way below what LDM guys give out for free on YouTube. So I won’t bother watching anything else he does unless someone who’s opinion I respect pulls me to one side and says “you should check out Todd, he’s WAAAAAAY better nowadays”. Till then, I’ll chalk him up as another over-promising under-delivering RSD guy. Like all the rest of them. You people really need to grasp that having a marketing budget behind you does not automatically mean you’re worth listening to. CNN is fake news. NYT is fake news. RSD is fake news. Ignore them. Stop swallowing the bait every time they tell you it’s different this time and NOW, FINALLY they’d discovered THE TRUE SECRET to game which will BLOW YOUR MIND. For fucks sake people, you’re old enough to know better. K.

There are others as well.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There's no Pick Up Artist governing federation public or private. So by definition it's gonna be hit or miss. Maybe mostly miss. Kind of like with prostitutes actually... Who do you complain to if she bites your dick?

Plus we're dealing with hyper competitive impulsive dudes. It's inevitable that they're gonna shit all over each other and their own busines model.

Maybe there is a nugget of gold in a pile of coal Or maybe if your a frozen miserable incel coal is exactly what you need.

[–]Caleb666 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

it’s way below what LDM guys give out for free on YouTube

who are these LDM guys?

[–]BamboozledYetAgain 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure that he is talking about London Daygame Model

[–]mimecry -1 points0 points  (0 children)

haha krauser talking trash about others' game? now i've seen it all

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Some notes on RSD

[RSD] are red-pilled

Not really. They're very aware of RP principles but they dilute our message. You won't find them very critical of women [to avoid the media backlash]. You'll also notice they send a message of "get good with girls and then settle down with the girl of your dreams". Why? Because this is what the frustrated betas that go on their programs want. Tell them "there's no such thing as true love, grow the fuck up, stop looking for mommy" and they won't pay as much.

They also downplay how physically attractive most of their instructors are. Most betas won't notice ("looks don't matter, it's what's inside that counts"), but their better instructors are pretty physically attractive. So RSD-Chad chats up women, women respond well, and RSD-Chad then says "it's all about inner confidence, and for $2k you too can learn it like me". (They've got the odd chubby instructor now, but it's unclear how good they actually are. I suspect they're there to hide how slim you need to be to pull hot girls reliably.)

I say this because you have to remember these facts when watching RSD videos. They're out to make money, nothing wrong with that, but they are glossing over a few things in order to sell a product. But I do like them and regularly watch their videos.

Replies to OP

But she eventually accused me of “mansplaining” and lost interest. If this was a shit test I was completely unprepared for it

"Mansplaining is when a man explains something to a woman that she already knows. So it's something she knows, and the man explains it to her. It's actually a portmanteau of man and explaining. Women generally find this patronising and so they condemn it as mansplaining."

You continue saying this, repeatedly, over and over again, in a deadly serious way, until she gets angry and then you crack a smirk at her. If this doesn't get her laughing she's an entitled feminist and you can write her off as a loss to humanity. Laugh at her either way.

[Owen] says that his IG is mostly women and parties at his Hollywood Hills villa (which was pretty dope btw) and when women see it, this gets them hamstering and shows them that he’s a high value man in high demand, or something to this effect

Good way to leverage a few $million if you have it.

it was the fact that [Owen] approached EVERYONE. It didn’t matter if it was a mixed set of two girls and two guys, he would approach them and still work his magic effectively. But I think the most astonishing is how effective he was at it all. It seemed almost effortless, and he seemed to be able to draw these women almost flawlessly. You could tell this was a guy who perfected this art.

Great to know he's legit. You can never tell from videos. Good takeaway message though: approach EVERYONE.

I just wish I had more to say about Owen’s game, but it was nothing short of magic

Anything concrete you can add, OP? There's not much we can learn from "magic".

There is something about cold approach that can be life changing

For most men this makes all the difference. It did to me. Not that I ever got great at it, but being able to do it at all made the warm-opens [eg social game, friend of a friend, random chance encounters] a fucking breeze by comparison.

And if you only focus on getting laid, you'll soon realize that blowing a load in a wet hole is doing nothing to improve the quality of your life.

Disagree for me. Blowing my load in a wet and willing hole is pretty darned great. It's one of life's near-essentials ticked off.

[–]dDiegoDLV 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I just wish I had more to say about Owen’s game, but it was nothing short of magic

Anything concrete you can add, OP? There's not much we can learn from "magic".

Not OP but I will take a crack at it.

The guy has made millions and now lives at level 99 DGAF. He is walking around starting conversations and having a blast. After a decade+ of doing this he is outgoing and has a lot of charisma. He isn't worried about a # close or an F close. It's all about fun.

[–]new__vision 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That is one of Owen's core teachings: Give value, don't take value. He says something like "Go out, give value/fun to women from an attractive place, and they will fuck you to thank you".

[–]monkey_fonics69[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Not really. They're very aware of RP principles but they dilute our message. You won't find them very critical of women [to avoid the media backlash]. You'll also notice they send a message of "get good with girls and then settle down with the girl of your dreams". Why? Because this is what the frustrated betas that go on their programs want. Tell them "there's no such thing as true love, grow the fuck up, stop looking for mommy" and they won't pay as much.

They also downplay how physically attractive most of their instructors are. Most betas won't notice ("looks don't matter, it's what's inside that counts"), but their better instructors are pretty physically attractive. So RSD-Chad chats up women, women respond well, and RSD-Chad then says "it's all about inner confidence, and for $2k you too can learn it like me". (They've got the odd chubby instructor now, but it's unclear how good they actually are. I suspect they're there to hide how slim you need to be to pull hot girls reliably.)

I say this because you have to remember these facts when watching RSD videos. They're out to make money, nothing wrong with that, but they are glossing over a few things in order to sell a product. But I do like them and regularly watch

Good point, when I think about it RSD definitely isn't red-pilled, especially if you compare them to someone like Roosh or Rollo Tomassi. The problem, as you highlighted, is that they're more interested in making money and creating a niche for themselves, so of course they're not going to be realistic about it.

Anything concrete you can add, OP? There's not much we can learn from "magic".

And no, unfortunately I don't have much else to say about Owen's game other than saying it's magic. I was completely exhausted and I really don't remember it very well now. If you watch his infield videos, they're pretty similar. The takeaway is knowing that his videos are not faked like some people claim.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good point, when I think about it RSD definitely isn't red-pilled, especially if you compare them to someone like Roosh or Rollo Tomassi. The problem, as you highlighted, is that they're more interested in making money and creating a niche for themselves, so of course they're not going to be realistic about it.

Right. Still lots of value though if you keep this in mind.

If you watch his infield videos, they're pretty similar. The takeaway is knowing that his videos are not faked like some people claim.

My takeaway from his talking to people is "low key dominant DGAF". Laughs at everything, then proceeds with the point he's gonna make anyway.

What's hard to grasp is that this just doesn't look that special, but it clearly works great with people.

[–]Olongapo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ahhhhhhh.....the quintessential RP tenet: "Outcome Independence". Don't forget. RP is a praexology. A tool box with PUA being simply one wrench to help you achieve on particular goal. It's about continuous self-improvement internally and learning how to navigate in the world. Thanks for this FR.

[–]kylerosa21 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There is something about cold approach in particular that can be life changing. It is one of those disciplines which features meta-skills that can be applied to other areas of your life.

I can give a personal account of this holding true.

I only started cold-approaching in early August. I settled really well into that interaction, even though I got rejected. I felt super calm in the interaction, despite stuttering on occasion with some stuff. I felt great after doing it. During the summer, I had taken a USSF D License coaching course. They had candidates run practice sessions with the players provided, and my session had gone terribly. I was super quiet, insecure with what I was saying, and did not project my voice loud enough to demonstrate authority or command the players. It was a fucking mess. This training session had taken place about 2 months before I began cold-approaching.

After I began cold-approaching, I fell in love with it. I would day game as much as possible between work and before I had to move away to college. I had become super comfortable in interactions and was slowly improving my conversational skills (still am).

About 3 weeks after I began cold-approaching, I had my Final Assessment for my coaching course. I had learned a lot about what I did wrong and clarified a lot of theory over the summer leading up to the Final Assessment. When I went to do my session, I absolutely CRUSHED it. Once I got into the flow of things, I had done extremely well, much better than last time. I commanded myself loudly and asserted my authority, while also feeling EXTREMELY confident in what I was doing and saying. I obviously slipped up a few times during the session, but I still kept my cool and continued on in a natural manner.

Today, I got the results of my course - I passed. I now hold a USSF D License. I can only attribute my improvement internally to cold-approaching. It made me feel comfortable in foreign situations and forced me to push through with what I was doing even if I made mistakes. I was so damn comfortable in my Assessment that I even received compliments from other coaches who had been watching.

Cold approach. It will carry over into your life in ways you don't expect it to.

edit: "...can only ATTRIBUTE my improvement..."

[–]redvelvet_oreo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The main thing I took out of this is that I don't need RSD or anyone else to push me. I was effectively alone for good chunks of the nights and I was able to approach purely of my own volition, despite not doing solo/sober cold approach in a long time. You don't need to read PUA books or learn game to pickup women, ultimately it comes down to simply taking action and being willing to recognize where you fucked up. I didn't really learn anything from this bootcamp to be honest. Tyler's pep talk was mostly nonsense and bragging about the women he talked about. I wouldn't even be able to tell you what I was able to learn from seeing him in action other than the fact that he has mastered the craft in his own unique style.

After finding TRP and watching some RSD video and purchasing the hot seat at home I feel for a newb such I was 2 years ago can really benefit from learning the foundations of some of this shit. PUA are always shitted on here but I learned alot from some of the sidebar pick up tactics and from RSD. Granted I agree some of the stuff they teach now is really gimcky and to some degree just beating around the bush but I think to some extent alot of guys need the foundations to create there own craft. I thought the hot seat at home sucked but there was some useful videos in it. Personally I find most of there free videos really impactful and really good. Maybe I will create post with all the ones I found useful for my self. At some point I think once you start being able to pull women you dont really need it anymore or at least you dont have to go any deeper with it because it just starts to get confusing and counterproductive.

On a side note its funny what things work for certain people and what dosent. The method you are describing about warming up and opening everyone and just to get into a social flow really helps me alot. I find it easy to get stuck in my own logical brain all the time. Partially i believe this because of engineering work and always needing to be logical. Getting out of my head and just breaking into the night or day helps me get into a social state. I dont just do t his on the weekends though. I do it before I start my day at work. I talk to the baristas and the deli cashiers and open people if there is opportunity. There comes a point and time you rarely have to do this because its so easy for you to get in the right state of mind. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Maybe youre already in a social flow but overthink shit and burn your self out?

[–]dDiegoDLV 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe I will create post with all the ones I found useful for my self.

I wish you would. There were some gems I learned through pickup. Many of them faded through the years. Two that come to mind are the change of venue and treat her like your bratty little sister. It establishes your position above her and works really well when you do it right. (I know the incest jokes are coming in reply to this comment)

My dumb ass never realized I could meet a girl and try to get her to go someplace else with me. It also creates more of an adventure if youre on a date and hit a couple places. I grew up in some backwater where nothing was in walking distance of anything else.

I think TRP goes a lot deeper. Improving yourself is the best pickup techinique there is.

[–]Luckyluke23 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think most people here forget that RSD is catered to the "incel" "noobie" market. where these guys have 0 social skills.

" go out, bar club, approach approach approach!" works for them

[–]SgtBrutalisk 2 points3 points  (1 child)

RSD sells a lifestyle promise to build a lifestyle to sell a promise of.

RSD Tyler is a nasal, disingenuous prick that also got cucked by a Canadian woman into fucking her raw so she gave birth to two boys:

#Brotherhood, 11m42s

One boy splits the cookie, the other one chooses.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think she got him go fuck her raw?

I don't think its hard to believe he wanted to raw dog her

[–]daddydraper 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Interesting read. Anyways, you seem to be closely following the train of thought of RSD, “pickup,” and “PUA.” Get away from it all as soon as you can.

Real men aren’t “pick-up artists,” they’re real men. And women flock to them because they’re real men, not because of a few phrases they said or the angle of their leg in relation to the timbre of their voice.

I understand the allure of “pickup,” but following that path will never get you far. Period.

[–]monkey_fonics69[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I did within the context of this report because I spent all my time with RSD...but I've stayed away from PUA culture for a long time now in favor in things like Rollo Tomassi, regarding women's true nature and whatnot.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What makes You choose Rollo over PUA? I feel like I’m over pick up and looking for the next step .

[–]monkey_fonics69[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People like Rollo and Roosh talk more about our culture and women's nature. Once you understand that, it can help you gain some perspective and stop pedastalizing women. The problem with PUA is that it's wayy too focused on getting laid which makes chasing women the main priority of your life, which is a bad idea. Another problem is that PUA does nothing to teach you how to keep women and behave around them outside the context of pickup.

I would also highly highly recommend the Black Phillip Show with Patrice O'Neal, I think there are 13 episodes. It ran on Sirius XM about 10 years ago, and it's gold. Entrepreneurs in Cars is also decent.

[–]BurnoutRS 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I quit reading by the third or fourth time I noticed you saying "I dont like" and it was followed by "insert thing that makes an insecure guy uncomfortable here"

I was like this before, mostly blinded by the "we're all unique individuals, not everyone has their same way of doing things"

theres truth in this, but consider the following; do you actually not enjoy warming up with small "heys" and "hows it goings?" to your fellow bar patrons? Or do you not enjoy it because of how you perceive yourself?

If youre saying "this just isnt me, these actions arent true to who I am" theres a chance its actually a form of denial. What youre really saying is "its easier for me to tell myself this isnt in my nature, than it is for me to admit to myself that im not as socially adept as Id like to be"

Another thing about self perception is that if youve internalized it that youre socially awkward or dont have much to say, or, even worse, that youre a poser, you wont be able to display full congruence with your actions. This is an interesting one as far as "fake it until you make it goes"

sometimes youre scared to be confident because youre so unconfident you become afraid others will see you as disengenous. Yet, if you muster up some bravery and try letting loose a bit, the successful of that initial fake confidence can translate to real confidence. For a person who's having trouble being sure of themselves, that can be a really powerful tool

[–]Bingomancometh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hope you didnt give rsd your cel number. Those guys are merciless with the telemarketing.

[–]Luckyluke23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the problem I have with RSD is I outgrew them. when I was younger. ( like 25 I'm 28 now) I used to be all about them, now not so much.

they still have value you can take from them and any noobie who doesn't know his ass from his elbow should buy into them for a SMALL period of there life because they can give some kick-ass motivation to go out and get rejected 5000 times.

but other than that.

[–]billybilly543 0 points1 point  (2 children)

RSD is redpill, are you for real?I remember going out with one of their members, dude said he approached like ~500 women and got only 1 lay with "an average girl" which was actually probably like a 3 or 4 that took pity on him.He had as low SMV as it gets(ugly,short,poor...) but convinced that he isn't getting laid because he isn't funny enough or because he isn't in state or something like that... Jesus. Watching him be "confident" with girls was painful.

The only game you need is not saying/doing stupid stuff that will kill attraction you got thanks to your high SMV.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you think game or attractiveness is more important . Ik a lot of guys like who you described and they all like to use the excuse “game is all you need” to avoid diet or exercise

[–]sleepyinbk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Attractiveness. I am frequently a bumbling fool but I can get laid easily when I'm skinny. At my current weight it requires a level of finesse that I only manage when lucky.

[–]ShaakRed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol the tall black instructor with the feather earrings is Rsd Maze. From his YouTube vids he seems like a solid and fun person to be around. What vybz did you get from him and did you see him succeed in any pulls the nights u were out?

[–]lozboss 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why are you on TRP if you do PUA? They aren't even linked. One is about being a fake (like Mystery and his cringe) and the other is about inherently becoming a better man.

[–]monkey_fonics69[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you even read my post? I haven't been associated with RSD or PUA for years. Improving my own life is a huge priority over women. In fact I went on "monk mode" last year for about 6 months and it was one of the best decisions I've ever made.

[–]RedIntrovert -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

So just so I understand, you paid $3000 dollars and not only didn’t get laid, but didn’t even get a make out?

$3000. THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. Not even a make out.

[–]monkey_fonics69[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't pay anything, it was free. And I got laid 2 days before I flew out so I wasn't exactly thirsty. If you read what I wrote, that isn't really the point of pickup for me anyway.