Red Pill ExampleWhy the fuck would she want to go on a 2nd date with you? (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by Endorsed Contributormallardcove

So you didn't get a second date.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Ask yourself: "Why would she want to go out again with me?"

Chances are, you were boring as fuck and did nothing exciting or interesting enough for her to want to spend more time with you.

Your average woman, especially the more attractive ones, have been on dozens of first dates in their lives, as well as many 2nd and 3rd and so on dates. They've been on a lot of dates with a lot of guys.

So what did you do on your date to stand out from the dozens of other dates she has gone on in the past?

If she didn't want to go out with you again, you probably didn't do anything to stand out or be different. Period. Women will go on a 2nd date with you if you were exciting enough to warrant it. (Unless it was a pity date, which in that case you never had a chance and should probably completely overhaul yourself).

On first dates, try to do something that no other guy has ever done with her on a date before. Be spontaneous and exciting. Women have gone on dozens of dates that involve going out to eat and/or drink then watching Netflix at home. BORING. She's done that. What hasn't she done? Figure it out.

Want a good example? I was on a first date with a girl. We were at a bar to start things off and she brings up the fact that she has never been to Nashville. So what did I do? I suggested we get in my car and drive to fucking Nashville. It was only about 5:00pm on a Saturday. A 2.5 hour drive, we got there by 8. Had a great time there. Before we went back I fucked her in an elementary school parking lot and we drove back. Now riding in a car for 2.5 hours each way with a girl you've never gone out with is a huge risk, but if talking is your thing, its perfect. Since you've never gone out before, you'll have plenty to talk about and the time will go by fast. Just let her do 75% of the talking and you're golden. This will allow you to connect with her on an emotional level, which is a major key to pulling her in.

I'm not saying you need to fucking drive to a city 3 hours away to impress her or excite her, but you get the idea.

Bonus: If she is giving you the "fuck me" eyes and giving off all of the "fuck me" signals, then escalate & fuck her. It doesn't have to be right then and there, its best to let it be a slower build unless you can tell she is just ready to rip her clothes off right then and there. Do not let her go home until you have at least tried to fuck her. Obviously don't take it too far and rape her, but if she is giving off the signals it shouldn't take too much to fuck her as its clear she is willing. Do not fall for the "not looking for hookups" or "I don't fuck on the first date" shit tests. Even in my post-red pill days, I still fell for that shit test, thinking "Yeah but this girl feels different" or "This girl might actually be serious about not wanting to hookup or fuck on the first date" and guess who didn't end up getting to fuck her OR get a 2nd date? This guy. I had a girl giving off all the "fuck me" vibes and signals, basically rolling out the red carpet for me, but because she seemed to be "not that way" and had "not looking for hookups" in her Tinder bio, I thought I shouldn't bother trying on the first date. I didn't fuck her even though we had some hot steamy makeout sessions and lots of touching and kino, and she clearly left disappointed and I never saw her again. I haven't made that mistake again.


  • Do something no other guy has done with her before. Be exciting and spontaneous, do not be boring

  • If she wants to be fucked, fuck her. Do not let her go home without giving it all you've got in that regard.

[–]lovs2spuge 66 points67 points  (13 children)

I once went over a HB9’s house (probably the 2nd date) and when i got there she was wearing a robe with lingerie underneath. Halfway into the movie things get intense and she goes “i really like you but i think we should wait for sex..”

Guess who failed her shit test? Me. Guess who didn’t get laid that night or after that? Me. Guess who got ghosted? Me.

Yeah. She really wore that shit because she wanted to wait.

Ahh... blue pilled me was so naive.

[–]Tousen71 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Damn. That shit about not fucking them in the moment is real. If they want to be fucked, you better fuck them or say goodbye forever.

[–]lovs2spuge 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The best (or worst) part is this has happened to me like 3 other times. I’d have a nice collection of fucks with HB9/10’s under my belt if the old pussy ass blue pilled me didn’t think “this one is different” or “they aren’t like that”.

Girls just need plausible deniability. “It just kind of happened!”

[–]boredathome19 5 points6 points  (1 child)

But what's the correct response then?

[–]oytrp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read the sidebar on ASD.

Just agree and keep escalating. "You're right we wouldn't want to get ahead of ourselves"... while unbuttoning her pants.

[–]X-Trem0 1 point2 points  (3 children)

bwahahaha oh dear god that brought me so many fucking memories...

[–]lovs2spuge 6 points7 points  (2 children)

“This ones different, man. Take it slow with her.” -blue pilled me

[–]X-Trem0 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Exactly... On the one hand I know I made the best with the info I had at the moment... on the other hand I'd love to get the old me and slap some sense onto him

[–]lovs2spuge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s been a long and treacherous road but I’m finally starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

[–]SpiderAlpha33 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Talking about Blue Pill me... Met this chick in college who was an HB7 back then, decent face, great rack, went for a couple of dates, had the chemistry going. She used to strip naked and text me about all her fantasies. I used to play along. One day after college, we went to her society and sat on a bench where she checked if anyone was there in her house. Nobody was. Golden opportunity. Guess what? I didn't take the hint and we sat on that bench for more than an hour chatting about stupid shit and then I eventually left. I had mixed feelings because, well, she was right there, down to fuck but at the same time I was in an LTR which was about to end anyway.

[–]lovs2spuge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In retrospect It’s a good thing blue pilled experiences happen. They’re the main thing we learn from. Always gotta Go back, review the film, and see where you can improve.

[–]rationalthought314 0 points1 point  (1 child)

on the other hand had you been too forward she might have #metoo you the next morning because you missed some non-verbal cues in-between the fucking

[–]lovs2spuge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a slippery slope. That can happen even if a chick is the one ripping her clothes off to fuck you.

[–]HurricaneHugues 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At the same time its like "Why do hoes play such silly fucking games, christ"

[–]dontbethatguynow 34 points35 points  (5 children)





Hot Tub

Works Everytime, don't even need to leave the house.

[–]kiwifx 21 points22 points  (2 children)

I'd be more impressed if you didn't even need to leave the hot tub.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 11 points12 points  (0 children)

more impressed if you didn't even need to leave the hot tub.

Fuck yes. Tannerite from the hot tub. That sounds like a blast.

[–]dontbethatguynow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be honest i'm a little strict on maintaining my water quality. but i make exceptions.

[–]justbakedx45r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

4 wheelers and side by sides, it's almost too easy

[–]GEN_GOTHMOG 53 points54 points  (9 children)

Reading this I really do wish I was gay.

[–]Random_throwaway_000 46 points47 points  (5 children)

Women have it so much easier in life, because they don't have to date women.

[–]talexanderc 26 points27 points  (3 children)

They have it easy till they hit 28 and are single

[–]GEN_GOTHMOG 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Still easy for women to get laid, mostly regardless of age.

[–]bondbandito 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. But instincts compel that they have their standards pegged to the alpha they fucked in their 20s.

Men and women have the same baseline happiness - men being evolved to be used to a shittier life. Sure as a man, getting easy sex would be the goal, but for a 40 year old career woman who can't get Chad to commit, that feels like hell even if she can bang 40 chodes off her Whatsapp contact list

[–]slumdog-millionaire 9 points10 points  (0 children)

All people, all lives have their pros and cons. I tend to think the universe balances itself out, at least I hope it does, you have to keep the right attitude though. As men there are certain challenges we face that women don't, and vice versa. There are challenges women face that we men don't.

[–]JJ3314 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No kidding. I’m not saying the advice is wrong, but if you have to be a dancing monkey have it clear in your mind that a LTR with such a woman is impossible. Successfully negotiating real life—whether as a single person or a couple—means tolerating the mundane, punctuated by moments of excitement, and hopefully substance. An impossible feat with such women.

[–]summermule 13 points14 points  (3 children)

If anyone thinks I am going to drive a total of 5 hours or the equivalent to bust a nut, let alone on a first date, they've absolutely lost their mind. I drove twenty minutes to a girl's hotel last night for sex and even that was a lot of effort. The way the OP throws in this "bonus" that is completely irrelevant to the title shows how inexperienced he is, throwing a generic lesson at the end of a post full of "man the fuck up bro, look bro you gotta step up your game."

You know what the ideal first date is with a girl you are uncertain about? A thirty minute coffee or drink where you show up well-dressed, fit, and confident. Maybe a walk in the park if you're trying to stretch those legs. You talk about a few things, crack a couple jokes, see if there's chemistry. You have something else to do so you head out. My biggest mistake in dating has been stretching out those first dates for hours to the point we've gone over all the usual talking points, there's an awkward silence, then a "well look at the time..." Finish your coffee, tell her you had a good time and want to see her again, make your exit.

That is all a woman needs to decide whether or not she wants to fuck you. She'll decide in the first five minutes if it's happening. You have to judge whether you can go straight for the "come to my place" as the second date or if you have to humor them somewhere like a bar for an hour or two first. You don't get a second date out of that, then you weren't going to get a second date out of driving to Nashville or rock climbing. And you've spared yourself the hassle of a 5 hour drive or afternoon commitment with someone you don't even know. I can't think of a worse hell than coming to realize I dislike someone and not being able to escape the situation. And if it's set up from a dating app or the internet, forget about it---my place or I might be able to muster up the energy to go to theirs.

OP's post reeks of a lack of abundance. Jump through hoops like their personal little monkey. Go on the sort of "adventure" girls pretend to like, when really they just want to nap and watch television. I've napped through half of my recent Tinder dates where we were supposed to go out and do something (sounds like an asshole thing to do, yeah? well I'd guess most of the women who flake on your date do it because they would rather nap than put on makeup). The other half they were so boring I started trolling about nonsense, like playing devil's advocate over whether sex trafficking is all that bad--and I still slept with some of them.

This isn't a Nicholas Sparks romance. It's a number's game where we try to nudge our success rate up a little bit higher. And even if I could put in twice the effort and bump my success up 10%, not a chance in hell.

[–]kgncpro 13 points14 points  (4 children)

you're right in some sense....
but with chemistry, it's either there or it's not, can't force it.
he/she went out in a date in the first place, so he/she generally finds you physically attractive.... just always be yourself, if he/she don't like you for you, then move on. It's that simple.....
No point on putting on a show for one night, cause they will find out the real you in due time if you continue to see each other.....

If you just tryna fuck, that's a different story

[–]Saberinbed 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This. If you plan on seeing her for a long time, this is pointless. Maybe later on you can pull some spontanious shit, but if you plan on getting into a LTR, she’s either into your not. There is no magic “method” you can pull on a date to make her see you again.

[–]kgncpro 2 points3 points  (2 children)

For real, why would you wanna be wit someone who doesn't know or like the real you.... the charade can only last so long.... starting a r.ship on a lie is badddddd

[–]Saberinbed 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Real. I bet OP would’ve gotten laid either way lmao. Most girls that i’ve hooked up with or dated said that they knew we were guna be something from the moment she saw me. She is either into you or not. As long as you got a good frame, escalate, you don’t need to drive to another city for some pussy lol.

[–]kgncpro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Physically yeah they have decided where they fucking you or not, you can bore them out of that mindset I'm sure....
Some are more desperate than others lol....
OR he cheating, n he keep his weekend pussy a few area codes away cleverly

[–]flashbackquick 28 points29 points  (2 children)

It's not my goal to impress women on a first date. I really disagree with a lot of this post, especially driving 2.5 hours to Nashville. Yea she put out but that's a lot of investment for a maybe, I've done those 4 hours dates before that lead to nothing and it is a massive time suck. Unless I've nut by hour 2 I usually end the date and take a shot next time.

I agree you can try to be more interesting but if you yourself are interesting there isn't a lot of need to go overboard. I usually take girls to the park and go for a walk. I feel if you try to do something unique and over the top it's going to come across as needy.

[–]superyute 11 points12 points  (0 children)


all that stuff in the OP seems way too tryhard. Pussy pedestalizing at it's finest. Fuck imma put on a circus show for? If I'm not going all out for me and my interests primarily, fuck that.

The standard drinks/low-investment date ideas reiterated here are standard for a reason: they work. No need to fix what's not broken.

[–]troutmask96 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Girl gotta be careful jumping in a car for a five hour drive with a guy she just met. Good way to end up in a rest stop dumpster.

OP gotta be careful fucking in of all places an elementary school parking lot. Good way to get the rays of an officer's flashlight gleaming between his ass crack.

[–]3whatsthisgarg 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Regarding dinner/movie dates (so stupid) somebody remarked that's you telling the girl that you have to outsource the entertainment. It's also just you sitting there, and her getting complacent. For good reason.

Here, I'm going to just c/p from this post, because ... science:

Get physical: mountain biking, rock climbing, hiking, surfing. Haunted house. Mosh pit. Vandalism, if that's your thing. Explosives. Breaking and entering, whatever. Not only is this shit FUN, but it actually increases feelings of attraction.

There are some very interesting psychological studies that support my original point. The researchers got people agitated and then approached by an attractive confederate (for those who don't know, that's someone in on the research but unknown to the person in the experiment). Those in the experimental group rated the confederate as more attractive than the control group of unagitated persons did.

(If you want to read more, you can look these up. Schachter & Singer gave subjects a shot of epinephrine, then exposed them to either a happy or an angry confederate: the subjects mirrored the emotion; they developed the two-factor theory of emotions to explain the subsequent emotional reactions. Berscheid & Walster's experiment had subjects exercise vigorously before being approached; they called the phenomenon the misattribution of arousal. Dutton & Aron had subjects cross a scary suspension bridge over a 230-foot chasm, and the control group crossed a sturdy cedar bridge over a small gurgling stream; in this case fear resulted in higher attraction toward the confederate. For the bloopers who are going to say Citation needed! do you want a link to the book that is sitting on my desk? I gave you the authors' names and key words to Google, you lazy fucks.)


Take a woman who may be somewhat attracted to you on a scary adventure; she will become MORE attracted to you.

[–]menial_optimist -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Would a long walk through a heavily wooded/secluded area count as a sort of scary adventure if it was just the two of us? Possibility of being robbed or attacked in there.

[–]tatakausohei 7 points8 points  (1 child)

That depends... are you going to be the one robbing or attacking her?

[–]JJ3314 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, you could kind of take her on a walk through the woods, and then when you take her back to her car you could say something like “Y’know I could have killed you back there, and left your body in a ditch ... but I’m so glad I didn’t” and then go in for the kiss.

That’s taking game to another level friends

[–]Maple_Beard 2 points3 points  (2 children)

For some reason and I’m not sure why I’ve always had great luck taking a chick somewhere near water. Beach, pond, river etc. and just chillen there.

Fucked some chick 10 years younger than me on a picnic table at a local park next to water after taking her out for pizza.

The next date was hiking in the day the. My place after to bang.

[–]Whitewolf2107 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Plot twist: you’re 20 years old

[–]EdmondDaunts 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Cheap and easy dates:

Art museum Driving range (or gun range if that’s your thing) Walk in the park (preferably with a lake) Icecream

Or do a combination. Multiple moves gives the impression of time stretching. That’s basic game.

If you are trying to gauge what to do when you are getting signs but aren’t too comfortable in going forward you could use the line:

“So have you figured out how you’re going to kiss me then?”

Always smirk with this one.

There’s a phrase from when I was younger which was to watch out if she puts the Bag of Sex on the table. As in she mentions something overtly sexual, you know those kinds of things.

[–]strikethrough123 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That’s ridiculous. You drove two and a half hours for pussy you could’ve gotten without any of that.

[–]11-Eleven-11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or you just weren't compatible and you need to ask a different girl out?

I'm kind of tired of Trp pretending like it should be required that you can pull any girl at any time. Its narcisistic. Often times you just aren't compatible and its nobody's fault and there's nothing to fix.

This is fucking cringe material. If you got her on a date she already likes you and its just a matter of getting to know each other. If you're trying to impress her you're needy and trying way too hard.

[–]gbdoragnic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

> On first dates, try to do something that no other guy has ever done with her on a date before. Be spontaneous and exciting. Women have gone on dozens of dates that involve going out to eat and/or drink then watching Netflix at home. BORING.

How about not, how about doing what you like, I like netflix, I like chilling, now if you done this with 200 women, or she has done this with 200 guys, than it will be boring. But for me it's still fun, I'm not at that 1000 hole mark where watching netflix and talking and smoking with a few drinks has lost all it's dophamine so I need to start acting like a fool.

Honestly man I just do the same thing every time, and enjoy myself, I'm a simple man, who enjoys simple things

[–]Thunderbird93 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Bruh to keep it 100 your best wingman is drugs. You want to be aggressive?Down some whiskey. You want her to feel euphoric? Pop molly with her. You want to see the universe? Drop acid with her. The problem here is inhibition, drugs destroy that. I got a stripper waiting in NYC on me as I study abroad in South Africa, we smoked crack, drank beers and I smashed. I asked for a threesome and she sends me snapchats making out with another girl. Its biohacking

[–]acithetic 1 point2 points  (2 children)

smoked crack

What the fuck did I just read

[–]Thunderbird93 0 points1 point  (1 child)

lol bruh it was spontaneous,i'm usually just one to enjoy a crossfade.point being,drugs destroy inhibition and the panties drop

[–]acithetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying but Jesus Christ

“Spontaneous” crack sesh got me lmao

[–]zrobek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another idea

If you have a fast street car or motorcycle -- roll racing 😈

[–]TheCitiesOfGold 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Ive slept with over 40 women and never been on a date ;)

[–]TheManWhoSlays 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you attractive as fuck?

[–]ZeppKfw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We get it you're a chad thundercock

[–]EscortSportage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I totally agree, dont do dinner, why? its expensive, its common and she can walk away with a free meal and drinks.

Mix it up!

[–]lozboss 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Do something no other guy has done with her before. Be exciting and spontaneous, do not be boring

Yeah.....good luck with that. Chances are she's done it or something like it before. Unless you're a billionaire of want to drive 2.5 hours to nashville which is asburd for a first date.

I love these theory posts thats have no practical relevance. NEXT.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You're an idiot. Obviously my example was an wildly exaggerated example, but you are missing the entire point. I never said you have to go as far as to drive 3 hours out of the way.

[–]lozboss 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Good work- get defensive. Nice bluepill rage bro. Clearly strong frame. Lol.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yawn. Another typical drive by shit poster here on TRP who tries to puff their chest out and try to act all mighty and alpha in the comments sections. Congrats man you might get some people here to think you are a tough guy alpha.

[–]Jon_Tren_Yin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"True wisdom is the understanding of the underlying concepts, how they relate to situations that seem irrelevant but really are not."

-D. Nero

Not everyone has reached the point of true wisdom yet, so worry not, your message was understood.

[–]CheeseKringle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So interesting. I've done pretty good with girls I meet in person but from online dating I have never gotten a second date. I'm sure it's because I didn't escalate properly. Make outs, sure but nothing beyond that. It's cool to hear someone else come to the same conclusion.

Being spontaneous comes with not caring what others think. When you do things because you think it'll be fun or for your own entertainment, that's when girls get wet. You could do the same exact thing but with different intentions and people can sense that.

[–]curiouswanderer2 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The liberating moment for me was moving out of the west where I can completely ignore women who have already been bored with the "usual netflix dates" from so many guys. I can't comprehend putting in so much effort for sluts honestly. What is the point of going out of your way to "see what she likes" unless she's a virgin or has a true N-count < 3?

[–]TakinCareOfBizznizz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think going on a date to do something YOU want to do would be better. Example, I love arcades and amusement parks. If I'm going on a date I'm taking her to where I want to go.

In more concerned about having fun than impressing her.

[–]Einsteinsdog 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These comments make me sick

[–]NewW0rldOrder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I am so shit as picking up signals, how can I work on picking up the signals?? I’m a straight forward guy, if I wanna fuck I’m going to say I wanna fuck not give hints and shit why can’t woman be the same.

[–]Thunderbird93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel you bro,just use that to your advantage. Being blunt as a means of escalation can work,remember actions speak louder than words. Try to be blunt in your actions more than words.

[–]MakeMenGreatAgain44 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good one. Do Something different. I mean this doesn't just apply to the place where you two go. It also applies to your behaviour. Take risks do something stupid. I sometimes sing to them when I feel like it. Do what you feel like. Be spontaneous

[–]JoeMamaSaidWhat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I had one who said she was sick of guys only looking for sex, and that we should take things slow. We fucked 7 times that night. Disregard what they say and continue to make moves.

[–]hb8only 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sometimes.. if your looks is very good - she will go out even on 3rd date just to fuck you...

[–]Psychological_Radish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't necessarily disagree with the idea of being different or creative. It's always a nice bonus to stand out with spontaneity, and it might help if she's on the fence.

But at the end of the day, it really comes down to 1) Game/high SMV in her eyes, and b) good logistics. Most of my dates take place in a local townie bar or somewhere equally mundane. The location is only relevant insofar as how close it is to where sex can happen; I am tonight's entertainment.

Your second conclusion about going for the bang ASAP is spot on, no further comment there.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All this sounds like a bit too much of investing on the first date...

If you aren't enough as a person, improve yourself and try again later. Only uninteresting people need to compensate themselves with "exciting activities".

If you overinvest on the first date, that means you set the bar high on the next dates - possibly so high that you can't live to the promises in the next few dates and then things go south.

My advice: - Do inexpensive coffee date or park walk - Be interesting person without gimmicks (only do trips to Nashville if you really are a spontaneous person)

[–]acithetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First experience I ever had was with a chick saying “remember, we’re not fucking” as we were making out. I was red pulled by that time, so guess what we did?

OP, solid post.

[–]oytrp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do something no other guy has done with her before. Be exciting and spontaneous, do not be boring

nah, be the prize. Make yourself an attractive man and the "boring" date she had with billy will be exciting and fun with chad.

[–]majorbollocks[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is bollocks. Driving 2.5 hours to buttfuck nowhere and back just to get pussy? Ridiculous. Why not let her hamster do all the work? If you want a higher percentage of second dates try a few things:

- end the date just as things are about to get good. Women love emotions. Ending the date when things are beginning to get good is the equivalent of a TV series cliffhanger

- why not actually add a tv show style cliffhanger while you're at it? Say something random and ambiguous like "I like you but you're dangerous for me." Then when she asks what you mean tell her you need to think about the answer and ask her to remind you if you meet up again.

- In the middle of a conversation, when she's telling you something and really into it, disrupt her rhythm by stopping her and just look into her eyes for a few seconds. Then ask her to continue like nothing happened.

There are tons of things you can do but the main idea is that you don't want things to go too smooth. Perfect is boring. Disrupt the rhythm randomly here and there. Suddenly stop talking and sing along to a song the bar is playing. Leave in the middle of a meal to go get ice cream. Your date has to be a mix of smooth and not so smooth times. Especially if you have a shit sense of humor and not a good conversationalist.

tl;dr: the more emotions you can invoke in the girl, the better your chances are for a second date.

[–]Rkih06 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I may be wrong since I consider myself a student here.

But a LOT of guys are completely missing the point of OP’s post.

If your goal is to pump and dump, of course a trip to a city nearby seems like an extreme.

But that is not the point here. We all want to get our dicks wet. Of course. But most of us (again, not all of us) also want to add to that the companionship of a woman we enjoy and have fun experiences with them. At least I sure do.

Now, let me be upfront. These always include fucking. But it is not only this. If I am with a cum dumpster I cannot tolerate after I jizzed, I cant wait to show her the door.

But if I want fulfilling experiences, with women whose companionship I chose to enjoy, the point that OP is making is that it is always our responsibility, as captains, to create those experiences.

Yall focusing on the time taken to get to the fucking city like the girl was an insufferable douchebag. In all honesty, she could be. But then you wouldnt do that in the first place if you have an ounce of good sense.

I think this relates to what you want out of your relationship with women. I tend to enjoy spending time with women who are attractive and not bat shit crazy.

That is my two cents. English is not my first language. Sorry.

[–]831nomad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is not being red pilled. The question should be: "why should I waste my time and money on a basic bitch?" MTOWs really need to watch out for douches like this

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is another place for your MGTOW garbage

[–]AmazonAlphaMale -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

What if you fuck her first date and make her cum and she doesn’t want a second date.

Can’t blame it on pipe game, not being spontaneous, or exciting.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You made her feel like a slut/buyer's remorse. This happens when you go 100% player. You can't go 100% player. I'd say 85%/15% is a better ratio

It's more of post-sex ASD. "Ugh, I had sex with THAT guy?"

You still have to connect with her on an emotional level first before fucking. If you don't, and have sex, she'll have post sex regret.

[–]kgncpro -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

1 of 3 things, she will know she was overthinking and was unable to get there..... she didn't like you wit your clothes off or and most commonly YOU didn't hit it right