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Red Pill ExampleShe Sells Nudes (self.TheRedPill)

submitted by 1TheProphetPhysiquiel

Quarantine my bleached asshole, this is still a sub for sexual strategy, is it not? What I'd like to discuss with the class today is something that recently blew off the roof of not only the next tier of my understanding of the female sexual imperative, but my comparison of the 80/20 categories of men.

I'm talking about the Sexual Noody MarketplaceTM.

Any guy, or girl for that matter, who has spent any amount of time swiping through bitches on Tinder has seen "venmo me for nudes." Makes sense, after all, there's an entire market for them that you or I would be foolish to not take advantage of had we the opportunity. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

However, lately I've been meeting more young girls my age than I ever have, as I recently moved to a much bigger college town. Girls I've met at bars, girls I've met through le Tindre, girls I've met through my friends. The shy one in the library, the drunk one watching the NL pennant race with me at BWW. They all sell nudes. The surprising realization wasn't that they sell nudes, but how many of them sell nudes. This is the female sexual imperative adapted to the world we live in; female sexuality in exchange for resources. I'll give two examples of extreme cases to illustrate my point.

A plate I've been seeing since I moved here was talking to me about this, admitting she sells nudes on tumblr. I really don't care about any of this, as a matter of fact it feels good that all these guys are paying for pics while I'm here getting my cow milked for free (she also gave me a couple of grams of hash for free but that's another story). I told her as much; I don't care, "don't hate the player, hate the game," and how I'll never understand paying money for a nude picture of a girl. I can hardly be bothered to spend money on real girls, let alone on pictures of a fantasy ??? She said "Oh my god like, thanks for being so cool about this like. I told [name redacted for shame-sparing] and he like freaked out. Why does he even care?" But wait. There's more. She has this shy, pre-20s roommate who's the sweetest thing you could imagine. "She has a sugar daddy who gives her hundreds of dollars a week. She offered to let me in on it, but I don't want to show full vag." Me: "Do you have to show full vag?" Her: "[Roommate] does. She's a freak, he gives her more and more money every month for her stuff." This is the Hermione Granger of nice girls, in fact she's got guys dangling at her finger tips who believe she's a virgin. Fuck, if I didn't know her, I'd believe that shit too. Yeah, nah, she gets paid money by strangers to spread them beef curtains and moan their names over snapchat.

My second example serves two purposes: the first is to further illuminate this mind-blowing news. The second is to show you on which side you should be of the RP vs BP continuum.

I went out with a girl for the first time last night. She was cute, we had a fun conversation when we met. She was not feminine. A terrible time was had by me. "I'm going to be honest with you, I can tell that we're not clicking. But it was truly lovely to meet you." Confused look on the girl's face.. "Idk what to do..?" "I'll get our drinks. Maybe I'll see you around." (Bonus abundance mentality lesson; you should get to the point where you only want to sleep with girls you like. You should be sleeping with enough girls, or having the confidence that you are able to do so, that you don't need to go through the motions of all the bullshit with some random bitch you don't like just to bang because you know you can.) She left, I suspect still not quite knowing what just happened. A girl sitting to my left: "Wow, that was brutal." Me, somewhat laughing and turning, "It's a dog-eat-dog world out here my dude." We start talking. I ask her what she does. She tells me she's a cam girl; she seems quite proud of the fact, and is telling me to check out her channel. I laugh right in her dumb face. "I'll never pay $5 to look at $1 pussy." She loved it; of course she acted offended; "I don't got no one dolla pussy my pussy change lives (I'm paraphrasing, and she was white)." But I could see in her face, and her behavior the rest of the night, that I said the "right" thing. I got home and I told my roommate about it, he didn't think it was as funny as I do. Still got some unplugging work to do on that guy. But I digress.

After I told him this, I realized something that I already knew to be true: This pay-for-pussy-pics (not even paying for pussy.. paying for pics? Fucking pathetic) bullshit is even further inflating the egos of these average bitches with pussies whose odometers you'd be scared to look at. Below-average chicks are being given money for fucking nothing. And they despise their demographic; if your options are so limited that you're content with spending money like this, close this website and don't look at it again until you've completed 1000 reps each of Bench Press, Deadlift, and Squat. If you still truly think that buying her nudes will help you fuck her, then get off this page because you aren't worthy of my words. These girls will never, ever fuck you.

You should never be asking her for nudes, by the way.

She'll send you nudes when she's horny and she wants you to come over, and you can't, or won't, or don't want to. If this seems unreal to you, a girl just assaulting you with unrequested nudes, don't worry. It sounded just as crazy to me not too long ago.

Now go forth, lift, receive blowjes, keep the Good Word to yourself, that sort of thing. Realize that these girls have so devalued their one. precious. commodity. that they'll sell it to any fucking creep with a tumblr account that happens to think she has sexy feet.

And if you're still unplugging, whatever you do, don't buy these fucking nudes from these goddamn bitches. We don't need their egos any more inflated than they already are, and the reality is you could get your udders relieved for free with minimal effort anyway.


[–]Plague-Lord 61 points62 points  (9 children)

Every attractive young girl has a hustle now.. nudes, private insta/SC, patreon with lewd content, amazon wishlists, custom fetish vids, maybe full-on camming or having a porn site. It's actually shocking, go to any porn sub on reddit, click on random profiles of OC posters and they're almost all selling something. Women can make a living just by existing in 2018.

[–]7856849 32 points33 points  (4 children)

The worst thing about it, is that now a male dentist who makes $170k a year pre-tax now has a low smv financially because some 18 year old can selfie/fuck her way into making upwards of $10k per month via patreon, snapchat and god knows what else...and you can bet your ass she aint declaring that income.

[–]Final_Pantasy 5 points6 points  (2 children)

She'll be in for a real treat when she gets hit by backtaxes and interest. If she's getting large hits to her bank account and not reporting, they're fucked.

[–]redvelvet_oreo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

some of them are smart or learned the hard way. Im telling if you check out some of the sex workers on twitter its crazy. Go lurk on the SW subreddit. They definitely have some good cover ups for taxes. The smart ones pay their taxes and put there business under category such as spiritual healing. Its nuts you cant make this shit up.

[–]nytonj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sometimes there are ways to work around that, so she may not be completely fucked.

[–]Crimson_Medicinal 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I’ve told close buddies if I was born with a vagina I’d be doing the same damn thing. It’s basically free money, I can’t believe how easy it is to make cash from tinder or tumblr nudes. I honestly can’t blame them.

[–]throwme1623 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not gonna lie men absolutely can and do do this shit too. If you're an attractive guy and willing to cater to the gay market at least. tbh I see it as no different from what women are doing b/c it's not like they're catering to a market of people they're attracted to...

female sex work is almost more accepted by society b/c of stringent PR efforts from both the women themselves AND the people paying for it (they don't want to feel bad for doing it/buying it - look at all the pushing for legalizing prostitution and, frankly, I'm all for that) whereas male sex work is still looked down upon as literally the worst possible thing because most of the gay men buying amateur gay porn are closeted so they aren't exactly going to be lobbying for acceptance of it. it's more niche, yeah, but it's also got comparatively less saturation.

anyways, my point is, you not having a vagina isn't what's stopping you. Maybe it's inertia, maybe it's suspicion that you aren't attractive enough, maybe it's shame or fear of embarrassment or someone finding out, whatever.

[–]Luckyluke23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

this is what kind of blow my mind about it... it's EVER WOMEN.

you think that shit would be a small proportion of them... it's not

[–]redvelvet_oreo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

dude you should see the sexworkers on twitter. Dear lord they are preying on betabuxxx. Dont get me wrong I like hiring a hired gun but these chicks all following and support each other and are making a killing and even have the audacity to complain if someone texts them if they are available lol. Oddly enough dudes are so beta out there that instead of just paying and having your way with a SW they contribute to everything you mentioned. Buying them amazon gift cards, donating money them, paying for nudes and personal snap chats, getting them 5 star hotel and paying for nice vactions for nothing in return. It insane. Why would you spend all that money? Its mind boggling to me.

[–]tempolaca 80 points81 points  (8 children)

Who the hell would buy a nude from a random girl when you have infinite amount of nudes from Internet? also, random girls don't usually go to the gym. Their bodies are generally... soft.

I guess most of those guys don't even look at the nudes, they buy them just to get the contact and try and fuck the girl.

[–]redpect 29 points30 points  (0 children)

It's tailored and the customer would feel more exclusive, wich is a feeling pretty close to what a normal person feels when he makes a girl undress for him, some sort of exclusivity "I can see this, not everybody"

[–]livear 22 points23 points  (0 children)

These girls are prostitutes, the selling nudes thing is just a good plausible cover for their friends and for their bank.

[–]packetdata 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Girls bodies are supposed to be soft, ain't nobody wants to fuck a tight skin/muscle musculine girl.

[–]UshankaDalek 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I disagree. Clearly you haven't fucked my ex-girlfriend. (Never thought I'd say that to anybody...)

[–]tempolaca 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Dude have you ever fucked a fit girl?

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Don't knock it till you tried it unless she's on roids.

[–]Quaternionz 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Yeah, fit girls are the best. Not bulky, just fit.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChEnecZUUAISkqO.jpg

[–]GreatGoldSphinx 140 points141 points  (17 children)

I think a key takeaway here is that no female is as innocent as society leads us to believe. Unicorns do not exist, gents.

Pro tip: To avoid contracting oneitis, simply assume the girl you are spending time with is selling nudes to someone else. (This is a joke, although it might actually work)

[–]tempolaca 35 points36 points  (1 child)

If they are smart they are selling. Most just send nudes for free and attention.

[–]1dongpal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could say that same to whores with sex.

[–]MurkyArtichoke 23 points24 points  (10 children)

no female is as innocent as society leads us to believe

This, so much. The amount of times i've seen these presumably "innocent girls" sleep around or hit up sugar daddies etc is mindblowing. They are very good at hiding it from public eyes, but they do it still. One of my new colleagues(young, 22 y.o teacher) seems completely innocent, always talks about values and all that shit. Yet, i know she sleeps with this 50 year old divorced man with two kids, who most likely gives her a ton of benefits. When i went drinking with some colleagues, her included, she sat next to me and i could easily see some of her texts. She was mostly hiding her phone, but she was careless at times and very drunk. I could see the texts were from the 50 year old man(i know who he is) and the texts were some of the most cringe-worthy shit i've ever seen. He texted stuff like "I miss you sooooooooo much ;****" and at one point he sent like 20 "heart emojis" in a row. She seemed to reply in a similar regard, but i was obviously just glancing at her phone at times and didn't stare at it so i didn't catch most of it. Everyone knows no girls likes when a guy is being that needy, it's just cringeworthy.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 8 points9 points  (8 children)

"The amount of times i've seen these presumably "innocent girls" sleep around or hit up sugar daddies etc is mindblowing."

It's almost ALWAYS the "innocent ones" or the one who openly state they're "abstaining" from sex.

On another note - no 50-year-old man has any business transmitting emojis in any format.

[–]memphisjohn 14 points15 points  (2 children)

no 50-year-old man has any business transmitting emojis in any format.

Listen here, kid: As long as America is the land of the free, I will transmit whichever Goddamn characters I choose.

Yours Sincerely, A 50+ guy.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You're right - an older man can transmit as many emojis as he wants - and we're all free to ridicule and mock his choices because...America!

[–]MurkyArtichoke 2 points3 points  (4 children)

On another note - no 50-year-old man has any business transmitting emojis in any format.

Oh, I agree totally, but good for him i guess. This girl is easily a HB8 in my books, young and has an amazing body. I know because i almost slept with her once. I didn't go all the way because i don't want to complicate things with co-workers. She's a loose cannon, that's for sure.

To be fair on the guy, if you have been occasionally slamming an old dried-up pussy for years on end, then you divorce, and you happen to stumble upon a young, tight 22 y.o girl, i'm not surprised he can't contain himself while texting. Dude is probably balls-deep in love with her by now i suspect. The only thing surprising me is that the guy isn't some rich dude with tons of money saved up and stuff(sugardaddy). He's an assistant at another school, which means he has fuck-all for a career. I met him at a pre-party one weekend (girl was there too) and he just seemed so dumb. We had this drinking game and he could barely come up with anything at all. I remember the girl in question looked at me like "wtf is wrong with this dude" at one point. He is pretty good-looking though, got this Clooney-vibe going you know, so i guess that's why she fucks him. I'm eager to watch this unfold in the future.

[–]BewareTheOldMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I see your point. If this guy is not a middle to mature-age rich Sugar Daddy, has little money, and a low-end job I can see why he feels he hit the jackpot with a hot HB8 in her 20s.

The basic formula is looks, money, or status. At least he has George Clooney looks. Good on him.

[–]phibetared 0 points1 point  (2 children)

50 y.o here - there are definitely 22 year olds who want a 50 y.o. man for whatever reason unrelated to money. It still shocks me when a very hot 22 year old gives me the "I want to fuck you" look from across the room, or the beach, or the grocery store aisle.

That "advantage" plus TRP tactics... makes things easy sometimes.

[–]MurkyArtichoke 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah, there's the phrase "liking older men" for a reason, i guess, but i think you need to at least be reasonably attractive for that to work? Regardless of the TRP principles. Would you say you are an attractive man for your age? Do you often sleep with girls in their early 20's? I'm curious.

[–]phibetared 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I look around and see all the fat stupid guys and this reminds me that yes, I'm attractive for my age - or for that matter compared to guys a lot younger than I am. That's not because I look great - it's because the competition is pretty pathetic.

I don't often sleep with 20 year olds at the moment... but I know that I could if I put in the effort and was in the correct situation. I'm seeing someone (30s) now - and I'm not actively chasing other girls. (But still notice the looks from the occasional 20 year old often enough. It's nice).

And, since you sort of asked, if you simply get one 20 year old... then you met their friends, and couple of them will want to be with you because their friend has already "approved" of you. So one 20 year old leads to another, if you want. When I was 35 I met an 18 year old... and she brought over her 18 year old female best friend from growing up... and it was quite an evening.

Once you realize/understand that anything is possible if you want it or ask for it... many things can happen.

[–]Imperator_Red -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Girl tried to tell me she dated an NFL player for a bit but they only made out. Haven't laughed that hard in a while.

[–]2IVIaskerade 9 points10 points  (0 children)

simply assume the girl you are spending time with is selling nudes to someone else.

And if she isn't, help her to start in return for a 20% cut.

[–]myfault93 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You made me laugh here have a like.

[–]TheLastMgtow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If they aint selling nudes. They wish they could

[–]ElegantCyclist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You should never be asking her for nudes, by the way.

My philosophy is to shoot my own nudes, after sex, with a real camera, as I do better work than 99% of chicks anyway.

[–]trpjnf 85 points86 points  (13 children)

Have a friend who sells nudes on Tinder. Except he’s a dude. He made $100 his first week doing it, just by pulling nudes off reddit and putting on some random girl’s face.

[–]slam9 24 points25 points  (0 children)

That is one of the best things I've heard all week. Hilarious

[–]GirTheRobot 7 points8 points  (1 child)

What'd he use? PayPal? Venmo?

... For science

[–]PeterPansSyndrome 12 points13 points  (0 children)

LOL I've done this on Tinder. Took a fine ass girl with a relatively low following online and used her pics. Except as soon as the guys sent the money via paypal I'd block them.

[–]whuttupfoo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Dope. I needed some extra lunch money this week. Thanks for the tip.

[–]Nocryingok 4 points5 points  (0 children)

C'mon guys, it's funny and those chumps deserve to lose their cash but don't waste your time making scraps with scams

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What?! I'm so stealing this fucking idea

[–]Verstappen3363 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holy shit. I gotta get in on this shit

[–]classicverdant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am so gonna do this right now!

[–]DoomzDayTurkey 0 points1 point  (1 child)

did he have venmo me in the bio because I heard they ban you straight away

[–]trpjnf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. He got their number and then asked over text

[–]Gimmick_puppet 56 points57 points  (4 children)

Have you been on Instagram? There's literally an entire ecosystem where women are contacted by other Instagram users with larger followings who are offered a chance to be featured on their page if they give them a risque picture of themselves. So a slightly pretty high school girl from Generic City, USA is asked for a pic and she sends it. They put it on their Instagram and she feels a adrenaline kick of validation because she got exposure with their 15,000 followers while she only has 800. So maybe they're not all sending nudes but I think most girls would gladly post a pic of themselves in a thong in exchange for a thousand followers and that feels even more slutty. Today, every girl can have their 5 seconds of fame if they're willing to take pictures of their ass.

[–]Chymaera 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Oh it's worse than that. Just check out tag the sponsor

[–]XixsXarvyev 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Now that was an eye opener.

[–]saibot83 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also the likely case with the Fappening. Not chicks sending their guys nudes but to producers trying to get cast in stuff. These famous actresses with Oscars and stuff... worst whores of them all.

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that's the problem. back in the day, you used to get 15 minutes of fame. now it's at like 1-minute max.

she still gets the same dopamine spikes from the though.

[–]DropDeadTyrant 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I remember this tweet I read one time. This guy was replying to this streamer(girl) who broke up with her boyfriend. She basically realized that beyond boobs, she isn't attractive and went on a rant about how guy's expectations are too high. So, this guy replies, "the worst mistake on the internet was letting 2's believe they were 10's". I completely agree with that. I will even say I'm jealous. I cannot believe unattractive girls can sell nudes, used panties, bras etc, for $30+ and people buy them. Some girls can even make a month's worth of bills in a singular week like that.

But, it just reiterates trp's point. You'd think everyone would be shopping on the sexual market in market value. 2's with 2's. 5's with 5's. 10's with 10's. Yet, that doesn't happen because society lets 2's think they're 10's and that they deserve 10's. Just listen to mainstream music. This one song plays everyday that literally says, "You don't have to change, the world should change its heart". It's sad, but at least we are aware through trp.

[–]TigerXtrm 18 points19 points  (2 children)

I won't pretend to understand the guys who hang out in chatrooms all day and spend their entire paycheck on this one girl on the other side of the world. I imagine these types of guys are the very definition of blue pilled, having no clue how else to even get close to female attention. It's sad, in a way, really. But there's an entire economy running on guys looking for attention. Not just cam sites and girls selling nudes. Think fake dating sites, fake dating apps, Tinder reminding you that someone liked you when there's not a like to be seen for miles, it's all meant to exploit the men desperate for attention from beautiful women. Guys throw hundreds of dollars at this shit each month for little to no return.

There's a documentary series called Hot Girls: Turned On that deals with various forms of sex work. Among the subjects that pass by are porn actresses, erotic photography, a guy who meets 3 Tinder dates a night, but most interestingly there's an episode about a cam girl who is going to meet her biggest fan. The guy is buying her gifts, throwing tips at her like nobodies business, chatting with her into the late hours of the night, all the while knowing that the girl actually has a boyfriend. In the apparent highlight of his life he's spending a significant chunk of money to pay for her ticket so she can visit him. The guy is the definition of pathetic. Fat, completely ungroomed, wears pop culture t-shirts and ragged jeans, his house is a mess, he's socially awkward, nnever had a relationship and the entire meetup quickly turns into the most painful thing ever. By the end of it the guy is actually heartbroken because for some reason he actually expected to ride off into the sunset with her once she got to know him. Like she would just ditch her boyfriend for him and move across the world. [Hot Girls: Turned On, S01E05]

Point is; these are the types of men that throw money at these types of girls. And like you said, it's a dog eat dog world. Girls would be foolish not to dig into that pot of gold. They can make more an hour than a prostitute does and they don't have to show their face OR go fully nude. What's not to like?

[–]throwme1623 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, that sounds fucking depressing. Poor guy. I honestly think at that point it's profiting off of the mentally incapable but at the same time, what are you going to do, ban porn? We're not China lmao.

An argument could be made that they're creating harm if people are paying more than they can afford for porn, but they are providing a good for $$ above the table... and at the same time, so do a ton of mainstream industries (loans for luxury vehicles for people who can't afford it, housing crisis, whatever). I honestly don't think it's an issue exclusive to cammers, this is a society-wide phenomenon. I genuinely think that cam girls etc are just a symptom - there was a market void, they filled it, they aren't causing this. What is it about?

[–]redpect 18 points19 points  (13 children)

Asumming that 80% of males will be making this kind of purchases "soon" only makes one thing clear.

All women are in some level of prostitution , and you invest your time and interest accordingly.

Nothing new, but good to have in mind when searching for unicorns.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 14 points15 points  (11 children)

All women are resource seekers. Resources and security. Prostitutes just make poor choices about who they get resources from. They trade current youth for future value. Instant gratification for long term success.

The mark of a high value woman is how well she vets her resource providers. How well she values long term potential versus instant gain.

[–]redpect 4 points5 points  (10 children)

Most humans go for instant gratification almost always, most men do too, i think it has more to doo with our drive for survival, reproduction now is better than optimized chances of reproduction in the future.

Resources now are useful. "Future" is a hard term to apply to most of the population it seems.

And while I agree about the "high value woman" i dont consider they exist anymore. They can get pregnant and maybe they can be good mothers, but not good wives, that concept has died at the hands of all the males that have failed shit test in the last century. We have to adapt.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 4 points5 points  (8 children)

This is the human condition. Fat fucks who waste their youth vs those who hit the gym and invest in their future. 80/20 or the Matthew principal.

Me? I'm OK with the fact that there are lazy lumps of crap out there. It makes it easy to be a high value male.

I agree that the marriage laws stack it against us. It creates an artificial floor in the smv market that price supports low value women. They're less incentivized to be high value themselves. My advice to my own sons will be don't marry, just cohabitate (and will show them some asset protection).

Conversely, being an alpha provider is possible, but it's a lot of work that many just don't have the stomach to do.

[–]redpect 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I generally agree with your message, the last part tho:

Being an alpha provider is posible, but is it a good return on investment? What do you want from a woman? I just want feminine company, their vagine and sometimes their warmth. In the base of that premise, I would recomend anyone with a similar goal to be really careful with their ROI with women.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Right now the only reasonable long term investment in a woman is having her around as a mother. Kids do better in a two parent household.

[–]throwme1623 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not just about how the kids do too, let's be honest, most people don't want to be a single parent. People can and do manage to do it successfully and I applaud them, but if you have the option of a good coparent who does their job well, why on earth would you not want that? Nobody has a life goal to end up as a 'single dad'

[–]dulkemaru51 0 points1 point  (4 children)

being an alpha provider is possible

Can you elaborate on how? I want kids and I refuse to do anything less than what's absolutely optimal for them. Having them is one of my biggest dreams, but I'll give it up if I can't give them a two-parent home with a woman who actually enjoys getting fucked by me. I'll give it up in that case because I don't believe that I should have them unless I value them over even myself...

I rather not fulfill my dream of having kids than have them be raised by a single-mom whore who values her haaaapiness over her children.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 1 point2 points  (3 children)

It's a long and complicated answer, but ultimately it's no different than any other redpill strategy. Build your frame, understand the nature of women, and vet accordingly. You also need to have a mission and learn how to be a leader. A quality woman will work to stay in your mission and be willing to be lead.

I've always wanted kids. I got married before being 'woke' to the pitfalls of legal marriage. I was lucky that I vetted pretty well; she's a conservative girl with traditional values. I ran into trouble when I put things on cruise control. I've come to realize that I can never stop leading. I've also come to realize that the moment she stops believing in the mission, it's time to go our separate ways; you can't be married (or in a LTR) if you're not willing to give it up.

I've got 3 really bright and amazing kids. They're a lot of fun. I wouldn't ever get married if I didn't have kids for sure. But I manage the risk versus reward and always know my out. The last couple of years have been great, but it's been my leadership that made it that way.

[–]dulkemaru51 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Thank you.

Do you think that women are capable, if even theoretically, of resisting the sexual urge? I mean, they do have prefrontal cortices, so I had always assumed that they were. But, lots of people argue that their brain is wired in a way that makes them utterly incapable of taking responsibility full, that their agency ends at "we're not having sex tonight", at which point whatever happens, is on the guy who games her. Do you think (or know) that it's a biological tendency or a physical absolute?

I'm wondering because if it's the latter, if they can't take responsibility even in theory, then I won't be wasting my time on vetting her degree of (non-existent) agency. EDIT: I still won't vet for it per say, because obviously she might be lying anyway. But at least there would be some signs...

PS by "biological tendency" I meant women's innate solipsism. I get that it's innate. I'm essentially wondering whether it's absolute or a strong driving force that can theoretically be counteracted.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you think that women are capable, if even theoretically, of resisting the sexual urge?

I think that once you learn TRP, it's like learning the cheat codes to your favorite game. If a woman goes off track in an LTR, it should never be a surprise to you.

But, lots of people argue that their brain is wired in a way that makes them utterly incapable of taking responsibility full, that their agency ends at "we're not having sex tonight", at which point whatever happens, is on the guy who games her. Do you think (or know) that it's a biological tendency or a physical absolute?

I feel men misunderstand the nature of women. Things go wrong when a man thinks a woman behaves and acts according to his behavior, ie his solipsism. He acts surprised when she acts according to her experience and her biological imperative. It's funny, I was listening to a Joe Rogan podcast, with Dr Geoffrey Miller an evolutionary psychologist, and he reiterated what we all know that women want. He said they want someone they can trust, that is in shape, that is assertive and dominant, that could protect them and that can provide. Operate in this framework, and you'll be successful 99% of the time.

What does this mean in the framework of the LTR and raising kids? You should always be the best value option to your LTR. You need to be the highest SMV, the best put together man she could get. The cost of branch swinging needs to be too high for her.

The rub is, it's not that hard to do. Remember, her SMV declines rapidly. The ability to replace her goes up exponentially as you age, and progress in your career and life. I'm 46, old to a lot of people here, yet I know tomorrow I could replace my wife with a younger model. She's the one who has to work to stay with me. I use her solipsism and hypergamy to drive her behavior, not the other way around.

Is there a chance that Brad Pitt may come along some day and sweep her away from me? Sure, there always is. But right now, I'm the best I can be, and I will limit all the options she has, so that if and when it happens I can do it on my terms.

[–]dulkemaru51 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does this mean in the framework of the LTR and raising kids? You should always be the best value option to your LTR. You need to be the highest SMV, the best put together man she could get. The cost of branch swinging needs to be too high for her.

100%.

She's the one who has to work to stay with me. I use her solipsism and hypergamy to drive her behavior, not the other way around.

Yes.

Is there a chance that Brad Pitt may come along some day and sweep her away from me? Sure, there always is. But right now, I'm the best I can be, and I will limit all the options she has, so that if and when it happens I can do it on my terms.

Yeah. This is along the lines of what I was wondering. Of course one should never completely trust her not to follow her instincts, just like one should never trust anyone. What I mean by that is simply, that since we don't have first person insight into anyone's mind except our own, we can never know for certain what anyone is thinking at any given moment. So leveraging RP knowledge to cover the bases is the wisest thing there is to do, I get that fully.

My question was more theoretically bent; it's commonly understood/assumed here that women's agency ends at "we're not having sex", so when sex happens, it's 'not her fault'. I understand that 'they have no agency' is the best principle to abide by.

But I'm wondering whether women are theoretically capable of resisting the urge or of having agency. I don't think it's a very important question when dealing with individual women because, again, we can never know what the future actions of any particular woman (or man) will be because they could be lying to us and/or to themselves.

But I'm curious whether women, since they do have neocortices, are, in theory, capable of having a choice in the matter; in the way that anyone of us can say that we have the capability to jump off a roof just for no reason... we definitely wouldn't, but we could, in theory.

Either women have that capability (neurologically), or their brains are wired in a way that makes them robotic slaves to their urges and to the stance that "it was his fault". Again, it's not really an important question wt to individuals, because it can't be vetted for without some hypothetical future technology that could scan their brains to see their intentions and thoughts, but it's still an interesting question IMO because if the answer is that Yes, somewhere deep down they do have agency, then culture could at least at some point in the future push them to utilize that agency. But if they don't have it, then we'll know how to raise women and what not to waste our time on.

And about the culture thing; of course women's hypergamy has to be kept in check, because on a macro scale, it will always override logical thinking, even if logic is a theoretical possibility. But it could still be relevant to know. I know some highly intelligent women and to think that their brains simply aren't wired in a way that could enable them to realize their instincts and counter them, seems odd. Not saying that it's not how it is, but it just seems strange.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And while I agree about the "high value woman" i dont consider they exist anymore. They can get pregnant and maybe they can be good mothers, but not good wives...

Being a high value woman does not equal being a good wife.

Wife material is the better phrase.

Keep the government out of your personal relationships.

[–]SmamelessMe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not too sure about that. I have a suspicion that 80:20 rule is in effect here.

Only 20% of men will ever be desperate enough to solicit nudes.

And out of those only 20% will be desperate enough to pay for them.

However, out of those only 20% will be "whales" who buy a shit tonne, to make up for the entire market.

[–]vverons 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Can "Quarantine my bleached asshole" be a flair?

[–]brotein_synthesis 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Paying for pussy pictures is truly rock bottom. Damn.

[–]slam9 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I don't get it, if you're going for pictures anyway there is more free porn on the internet than you could watch if it was your full time job. Not only is it pathetic, but giving these girls validation for what they do will only make it harder for these males to have real sex without giving their life savings to some undeserving whore.

[–]throwme1623 3 points4 points  (0 children)

incels

It makes them feel like there's a 'real connection'. People are so starved for human connection that they'll pay for it.

The thing is, this isn't new. People have been lonely since time immemorial. So many people never reproduced, probably. It's just that the advent of the internet means that we can see exactly what we're missing out on AND we can pay to get a bit of relief. Every fake interaction with someone just makes people crave the real thing more.

Then you actually get in a relationship and you realize hey, it's cool, but it's not completely lifechanging shit. Well, it is, because it gets you out of that original mindset.

[–]John_Smith_legend 30 points31 points  (3 children)

You know whats sad? What you described is so pathetic but its not even at the top of the pathetic mountain. There are idiots who send cam whores on twitch money, a platform where they will never ever see these whores naked. It boggles the mind. I met a girl at a bar who was one of these "streamers". She used to half ass play games and get money. She told me all proud when I asked her what she did for a living, as if I would be impressed that she teases betas on cam for money and never shows her goods. now they don't even need to pretend to game anymore. Twitch has channels where they can just stand there like the attention whores they are and get guys to send them money. They get thousands of subscribers giving them guaranteed money each month, and they get donations on top of it. This country needs this subreddit desperately.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

half ass play games and get money. She told me all proud when I asked her what she did for a living,

Wouldn't you be proud if you could get paid that easily?

[–]assholeofthesky 4 points5 points  (1 child)

shit like this should be banned from that site, financing dumb hoes to play games is retarded anyway

[–]rigbed 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No it’s fantastic. The government oppressing us is what’s retarded.

[–]Imperator_Red 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I think that most people here think that we are basically living in the sexual jungle and all societal rules/traditions have been purged. This is incorrect. In fact, we are probably only about 50% there. Sexually, the west is about half way between a traditional chaste culture and a state of nature. I predict that it will take about ~40-50 years for all traces of our civilization imposed sexual morality to completely disappear, and that we cannot even imagine the depths of depravity to come. I'm talking men openly keeping harems, open cuckolding (yes I know CNN ran an article, but this is FAR from accepted), normal women openly engaging in prostitution, men with low SMV switching to homosexuality because they literally have no heterosexual prospects, and the complete collapse of marriage.

[–]Gr0o0vy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both Ancient Rome and Venice saw spikes of homosexuality before inevitably collapsing. I believe the West will collapse before we see the true bottom and "Free for all"

[–]Auxfite 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Every nude model or bitch I meet that sells pussy makes my dick soft. Every time I found out a girl does that it’s a hard next.

[–]livear 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She sells more than just pics.

The pics are just a way to gauge the price for the real thing and make her a real offer.

[–]PurpleSweetz 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It's the fucking infinite validation factor of the Internet. I have a female friend that's kinda basically a whale (lol) - I don't know her irl, she's in Canada I'm in the US, but she's funny and we talk sometimes.

She sends me a pic of her Tinder "hidden likes" and it says 99+. NINETY NINE PLUS!

Dudes is thirsty. It's obviously lames buying Tinder Gold and swiping right on every female they encounter (good riddance ELO), but it doesn't matter. Females thrive off that validation. It's pathetic.

[–]throwme1623 2 points3 points  (1 child)

fucking infinite validation factor of the Internet

it's not just this. I think literally everything comes down to the fact that men think about sex more than women. so the women who are available to fill that market, as long as they're above an extremely low bar of attractiveness, will always have more demand than supply. obviously on an individual level this isn't necessarily true, I wouldn't stereotype an individual person, but in general.

The majority of adult men under 60 think about sex at least once a day, reports Laumann. Only about one-quarter of women say they think about it that frequently. As men and women age, each fantasize less, but men still fantasize about twice as often.

(yeah it's webmd, but there's studies linked)

You can argue that this isn't actually good for women b/c it's also the reasoning behind treating women like objects to use, porn encourages blah blah unhealthy blah blah...

[–]PurpleSweetz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't disagree. When you know the game and know it well, you can find profit in knowing guys will go as far as to pay for simple images.

Why is seriously beyond me; as another user claimed - the interwebs has near-infinite images of naked bitches.

However, when it comes down to females on Tinder that are NO WHERE near model status fronting the whole "venmo me $5 ;)", I can only attribute this to the fact they must simply think they're hot shit. Why? Because of the horde of thirsty men giving them that sweet sweet validation.

[–]ChrimsonChin988 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don’t even blame these sluts at all - instead I blame these retards who created a market for this ridiculousness with their demand.

Do you have any dignity when you’re so desperate for pussy you’re willing to pay for pics?

It’s a fucking joke gents. I can only shake my head in disbelief

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Man, I loved your entire post. It's so true, even in my personal experience.

And this is a GOOD thing!

I really don't care about any of this, as a matter of fact it feels good that all these guys are paying for pics while I'm here getting my cow milked for free

This is what happens to men of substance and worth - everyone else has to pay for what is earned for free by natural law.

You should never be asking her for nudes, by the way.

She'll send you nudes when she's horny and she wants you to come over, and you can't, or won't, or don't want to. If this seems unreal to you, a girl just assaulting you with unrequested nudes, don't worry. It sounded just as crazy to me not too long ago.

You're onto alot of good points man -- I'm going to elaborate further. ​

[–]1TheProphetPhysiquiel[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Please do. I like your stuff too

[–]general_derez 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Can you expand on what you mean by natural law?

[–]3LiveAFTSOV 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's natural law for Men to seek to create - produce, conquer, control, and win.

For women, a natural law is their undeniable attraction to men who are successful or give off that perception.

[–]Psychological_Radish 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I had a similar revelation when I discovered that my favorite plate is a stripper. Clean appearance, fit body, no weird piercings or tattoos. During the day, she's a somewhat shy and nerdy college girl. At night, she makes $50K+ annually working part time at the club.

It's mind-boggling to me that men shell out hundreds of dollars a night just to look, maybe get a few lap dances. Meanwhile, I plowed her within 30 minutes of meeting during a first "date" that cost $0.

I must confess that it is a nice ego boost in some ways - I get for free what grown, educated men have to pay for.

Sick world that we live in. There is a level of desperation out there that is just beyond the pale pathetic. This sub really is an island in a sea of insanity.

Zero competition out there, boys. Zero.

[–]VillagersUnite 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Oh dude. It goes beyond tumblr. I don't know how many of you know about twitch but there are female streamers on there people call titty streamers. Basically they wear skimpy clothing that emphasize their tits for their overwhelmingly male audience. They make thousands of dollars in donations from guys by showing cleavage. Doing cam girl things without the nudity and making more bang for their buck. There are a lot more dudes that pay for this "entertainment" than dudes who don't and that's the real sad part.

[–]1dongpal 0 points1 point  (1 child)

is there a way to profit from this by being a male?

[–]VillagersUnite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Actually Twitch would outright ban you if so much as see even a little bit of your naked body. It's no secret that they play favorites and a lot of people call them sexist towards men in this regard.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You certainly know how to make an entrance

[–]1TheProphetPhysiquiel[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look out for the doves next time You heard it here first

[–]latinasonly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A terrible time was had by me. "I'm going to be honest with you, I can tell that we're not clicking. But it was truly lovely to meet you." Confused look on the girl's face.. "Idk what to do..?" "I'll get our drinks. Maybe I'll see you around." (Bonus abundance mentality lesson; you should get to the point where you only want to sleep with girls you like.

She tells me she's a cam girl; she seems quite proud of the fact, and is telling me to check out her channel. I laugh right in her dumb face. "I'll never pay $5 to look at $1 pussy." She loved it; of course she acted offended; "I don't got no one dolla pussy my pussy change lives (I'm paraphrasing, and she was white)." But I could see in her face, and her behavior the rest of the night, that I said the "right" thing.

GOLD.

You should never be asking her for nudes, by the way.

through experimentation, I had began to deduce the same. mental note made.

[–]surfsusa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What is going to happen is that there will be a case where an under age boy will be caught by his parents buying this shit. They will get the law involved and prosecute the girl and then the mainstream will be sensationalizing it and all this will get exposed. Then look out.

[–]memphisjohn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SESTA / FOSTA, google it if you're interested.

On one hand, our elites are basically deregulating pussy - e.g. back to jungle law for sex (oh, except for paid sex, that's the devil).

On the other hand, they are cracking down on the poor schlubs who are willing and able to pay for it.

I don't forecast happy outcomes when the bottom 80% of males can no longer get laid even if they pay for it.

[–]Luckyluke23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's kind of interesting to look at the " cam girl" / " pic sellers" out there. There is a whole market dedicated to this shit.

I never really bought into it. Just go on gonedwild now and have a look at them. it's the SAME old tired girl giving THE SAME old tired boob shot.

why would you even pay for that?

[–]idgaf- 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Consider the alternative... studying in school, gaining skill in a complex field, interviewing for jobs, working long hours...

Then consider how the average person has been babied their whole life, and taught to constantly consume and need more stuff. And statistically, the typical median income is not very much. It's no wonder they choose the easier route for money. I think a lot of guys would do the same given the same options.

[–]1TheProphetPhysiquiel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I said... Don't hate the player, hate the game

[–]GL_QUAD 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So she sells nudes, eh? The thing is, in her early teens, she had discovered the powers her pussy gives her over men; now, she's on a power trip to exploit such men with those powers of hers. Kind of sad, if there is no authority figure father to tell her a firm "no", no society to shame that behavior; furthermore, the pics might still be up later on, for her future acquaintances, colleagues, children, etc., to see. Long-term, this is a bad, risque deal.

The topic broadens. Take da Vinci's most famous painting - a master painter spends tremendous effort to portray some 5/10 roastie. Now, to say this, that is very reductionist of me, but it kind of has been so for as long as history takes us - males portraying, worshiping female beauty; ever notice there were virtually no female painters/sculptors to glorify the male form? Such is one of the key points the classic book The Manipulated Man makes.

Females do like to show off their assets indeed. A red-pilled man who fits such scheme may as well be on to utilizing this truism. So there's this guy, Goldmund, and he did write a couple books on "Camera game", where he seduces them by photography.

And no, I wouldn't buy her nude pics. Even if I were so desperate to do some of that, the internet already is a bottomless pit of pics of better looking women, offered for free.

[–]assholeofthesky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've never understood why the fuck anyone would buy pictures, like dude pornhub? moving videos?

this observation had come pretty strong recently but you put the words out which i could have typed, good work mate. enjoy the decline, all these sluts will be trained up in the art of being a whore

[–]saibot83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just goes to show women don't have morals. They only pretend to when they're found out, if the risk of social disadvantage is there. If not they don't give two fucks.

[–]idobermanlover 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Lol wtf nobody buys nude man! I'd rather cut my dick, fry it and feed poor people than buy a nude out of frustration.😂😂

[–]i4mn30 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol seriously tho, just give the money to the poor, not your fried dick 😄

[–]Iwannachokekatie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

9 out of 10 ten times a chick selling nudes is a guy like me selling nudes to horny schmucks

[–]Da_RectumWrecker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whoa wtf? This selling nudes thing is news to me. Wtf are these hoes doing to themselves? Maybe I should start selling the nudes that girls send me!

[–]memphisjohn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the new readers need to see more threads like this. It seems to me that many guys who consider themselves to be "red-pilled" have not yet fully understood how common this kind of behavior is.

I've sought out and subscribed to subs like gonewild, gonewildstories, slutty confessions, the sugar lifestyle, etc.. and I've searched on sites like seeking arrangement... if you do the same you will find a lot more hot young things than you might expect.

Thereby answering the perennial question: "where the hot girls at?" ... my friend, they are online, selling themselves.

[–]BurnoutRS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder how many women in the past would have been selling their nudes too if they had widespread access to cheap, quality, photography equipment like we do. The answer is "probably the same amount"

In some ways, I actually think its kind of dumb for a woman not to take advantage of the marketability of her body. If I could charge a couple bucks for a pic of my dick, and grow a network of followers through social media that would reliably and consistantly pay for my dick pics, Id fucking do it

[–]Imperator_Red 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pardon me, but aren't pictures of pussies free on the internet?

[–]jewishsupremacist88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sugar adting is the new thing